March 12, 2025 • 31 mins
NFL insider Albert Breer joins the show to explain why Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers makes a lot of sense and the latest on the top prospects in the upcoming draft
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, welcome back. Apparently Rams picked up Davante Adams,
which we thought was one of those seamless moves that'll work.
DeMarcus Robbinson the receiver went to San Francisco yesterday. Cooper
Cup's gonna get released here pretty quick. Let's go to
Albert Breer joining us live. Cooper Cups. God, but is
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there a landing spot? I actually think the Chargers would
be interesting. What do you make of Cooper Cup? Where
would he go?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I mean I think there are teams out there that
are contenders that would make some sense.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Are the what about the Lions?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You know where he could have a compliment with Amon
Ross and Brown and Jamison Williams there. Obviously he's got
the background with Jared Goff from other years together in
Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
There are some contenders out there. And then I think, you.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Know, like maybe where the bigger money would be might
be in a place where he could help lay a foundation.
And you know, one place like that would be Jacksonville
with Liam Cohen there. He can make a difference for
Brian Thomas Junior coming off of his rookie year, and
really I think he'd know the expectations of Liam Cohen,
he'd know the system. You know, he kind of helped
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be a torch bearer in a place like that, So
I think he's gonna have some options out there. Colin,
You're just going to be comfortable with a that he's
you know, probably not quite what he was a couple
of years ago, and be you might be dealing with
a guy you only get for ten or twelve games,
because that's really what he's been in the last three years.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
By the way, the Niners making some fairly seismic moves.
They wanted to keep Havanka and Green Lodels were excellent players,
banged up a lot, but excellent instinctive players, and some
of it's just clearing space for Brock pretty so they've
got some space. But they also released a leak a
couple of days ago, like our negotiations are going to
be different now, which, by the way, is what the
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Rams have done. They just set a ceiling and said Stafford,
this is what you're making. We're not moving off it,
you know, signing both Uk and Debo. Oh I felt
a little much. The brought pretty thing. I'm just forty
four million. I mean, this stuff matters when you're talking
about a guy who I view as sort of a
good player, but he needs players around him to excel.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and I think that's why this is going to
take a little while, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
And if you look at the last few years with
the Niners, they have lots of negotiations dragging to the summer.
Three years ago was Debo, two years ago as Nick Boso.
Last year was Brandon AYUK. So you know, we've seen
these things, you know, drag, and we've seen the the
Niners have some trouble at the negotiating table. That could
happen with this one. This is a complicated negotiation. I
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don't think he'll hold out with a couple of those
other guys did, but I don't think this one's going
to be easy either. I think the Niners are kind
of where the Rams were two years ago where the
Bills were last year. Both those teams carried seventy five
million dollars in dead money into a season, and in
an attempt to kind of clean their cap out and
try to have some more balance going forward, and and
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and kind of it wasn't going back to square one,
but reset their program. I think that's really where the
Niners are right now. And and look like, you know,
it's tough, you know, because it's you know, the way
that they built and doing it through the draft. They
found George Kittle in the fifth round, they found Fred
Warner in the fourth round, they found found Brock Party
in the seventh round.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Deebo Samuel was a second rounder. So it's not easy
to to to to do that again.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
But they have shown the ability to draft and develop
over the years, and that's what they're going to have
to be good at as they sort of move off
of the core that got them to two super Bowls.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I again, like I think a lot of times you
go in to these situations and fan base can panic
and look like, well, we're letting go this guy and
we're letting go of that guy, and this is going
to be a year where we're completely ripping the band
aid off in tanking that doesn't have to be where
it is.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
You know, again, the Bills did it last.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Year and they were able to make the playoffs with
seventy five million dollars in dead money. The year before that,
the Rams did it, made the playoffs with seventy five
million dollars in dead money. So I wouldn't rule out
the Niners, a team that's been really good over the
last few years and with you know, a head coach
and a general manager who really know what they're doing,
being able to draft and develop their way out of this.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So I think the Bears. Two of my favorite moves
were Joe Tooney and Drew Dolman for a young quarterback.
I love those. Not sexy, but I love them. And Jamak.
There's a rumor out today that Gent, the running back
from Boise State, is going to go to Chicago. Now
j Mac says they want to leak that because they
know Gent there's three or four teams that want him,
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and they want teams moving up. So I got you know,
clus over here, Inspector Cluso. My take is, I don't know.
I think they want another red rusher. I don't know.
I kind of like, I think there's a defensive need
for them more than a running back need. What do
you make of the Bears off season and the gen d.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Rumor, Well, they've just spent almost twenty million dollars a
year on dio odeyingbo I gotta still get the pronunciation
of his name right on the edge rusher from the
Colts to play opposite Montes. What they've invested in Javon Kinlaw,
a defensive tackle, and then like you said, on the
offensive line, adding Joe Toney and Drew Dolman and Jonah
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Jackson from the Rams. Also, they've sort of reimagined what
they are up front of both sides of the ball,
and that mirrors what Ben Johnson was a part of
in Detroit. If you look at the foundation of the
teams in Detroit, they spent money. They spent draft capital
onlineman Piney Sewell was their first draft pick. The next
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year they spent the second all pick on Ayden Hutchinson.
There were other guys they got later in the draft,
like Oflene McNeil, have been foundation pieces. They obviously inherited
Frank rag Now and Taylor Decker there.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And you know.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I I think if you look at you know, what
Ben Johnson would want to build in Chicago would be similar.
And so you're seeing that investment on the lines. If
you want to bring Ashton Genty into the conversation, Okay,
here's the way I look at that one. There are
people out there, and we've heard Travis Hunter and Abdul
Carter in some order, or the number one and number
two guys in this year's draft class. Right, I've heard
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some people put Ashton Genty in that territory too. Now,
you don't value him the same way you would a
two way player who could play receiver in impartant two
premium positions or an edge rusher, right like, so the
positional value isn't there. But if you view Ashton Jenny
Genty that way, where he's in that class of player.
Wasn't there a team recently that surprised everybody by taking
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a running back in the first round and got a
really big payoff, right, yeah, Gibbs with the Lions.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So that's you know, part of Ben Johnson's past as well.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
It's another way of investing in your young quarterback where
you can take some of the pressure off of him
by having a really productive running game.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, the running backs.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Who get drafted high and have been productive players after
being drafted high, Saquon Barkley, Ezekiel Elliott, you know obviously, Yeah,
adri Well No, a couple of years ago with both
with both Jean Robinson and Jamier Gibbs. Those guys bring
value in the pass game too, you know. And Ashton
genty can do that as well. So I mean, it
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wouldn't floor me if if they took a running back
in the first round because of Ben Johnson's.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Pass and because it would, it could mean for Caleble.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
So it's interesting. Denver and Sean Payton made a couple
interesting moves. Hafunk has been hurt a lot, same with
green Law. Good players, insanely instinctive, smart guys. And my
take was Sean Payton thought, listen, I got to twenty
five points a game last year with bow Knicks as
a rookie. If I can squeeze a little more juice
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out of him, twenty six and a half, twenty seven
in a game. If you look at the games that
they scored like twenty five or more last year, they
went nine to one and I can see Peyton saying,
I'm all squeezed the offense, all squeeze the juice out
of the offense. I got to get our defense, which
got kind of tired at the end of the year
because a lot of people look at those moves and
say they're risky. But I think bow Knicks was actually
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better than Sean fought as a rookie at quarterback.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
What say you, yeah, this is another one where you
can look at a guy's pass like Sean Payton. Over
the years, they didn't pay skill position players really until
the very end when they had both Michael Thomas and
Alvin Kamara on big contracts. Remember they paid Jimmy Graham.
They wound up trading him a year after they paid him.
I mean, if you want to go way back Marcus Colston,
but you can't find a ton of skill players that
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they paid in New Orleans. They paid the quarterback, they
paid the offensive lineman, they paid the defense. And so
I think this does reflect the way that they built
in New Orleans. And I think it's Sean Payton's belief
that he can make it work with younger players or
lesser players at skill positions because of what he's able
to do schematically. And so I think this is really
Sean Payton looking and saying, we had the number one
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defense in the NFL last year. We have Patrick Sartam,
we have a couple of young edge rushers that are
still on their rookie deals, are coming off just coming
off their rookie deals, and Nick Bonito and Jonathan Cooper,
and we can take the defense to the next level.
We've got a chance here to take a really good
defense and make it a great defense by adding guys
like Drake Greenlab.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And Hafunga right down the middle. And so.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I look at it as Sean Payton's belief in himself
that hey, I can find a joker, as he calls it,
I can find a receiver in the draft. They did
it last year with the two rookies they drafted, Vele
and Franklin. I can find those guys in the draft
that I can develop and I can fit to my offense.
Let's go spend everywhere else, and I'll make it work
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schematically because of what I bring to the table.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Exactly what he did in New Orleans, and I think
it's what he's going to try to do again in
Denver this year.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
That's good stuff. I will tell you there's one team
they lost Joe Tooney, they're going to go with a
backup Niner tackle at left tackle.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I watched. I watched this offense struggle last year get
pushed around by a couple of teams. Raiders gave him
fits up front. Kansas City goes into the season. I
don't love the old line. It's hard to be a
great team albert with a mediocre, below average O line,
is it not?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, And you know they were going to take a
swing on Ronnie Stanley too, And I think their number
was going to be right around where Baltimore's number was
for Ronnie Stanley. And obviously Baltimore is able to take
them off the market two days before free agency start.
So that was their plan, was to invest in one
of the best left tackles in football. Doesn't work out
for them, so they have to go to Plan B,
which is really projecting a guy. You know, like they
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look at Jalen Moore and they see some talent there.
He obviously had limited snaps. It was those really came
when Trent Williams was hurt. But they saw a guy like, Okay,
we'll bring him in. We got a two year deal,
thirty million dollars. It's not crazy money, and we'll project
him to be a little bit more than he was
in San Francisco. Will work out, we'll see. I don't
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think it's the only dart they're going to throw at
that position. I don't know how much longer Juwan Taylor
is going to be there at right tackle, like this
might be his last year there. So I still think
that they're going to spend significant draft capital on the
tackle position and try to get that right. I mean,
you've seen they've done it over the last few years.
Juande Morris was a young guy that they tried to
bring along Kingsley. Sue Amataia is moving inside to left guard. Now,
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you know, really, for the Chiefs, this is going to
be about throwing a bunch of darts at the position
and trying to get it right. And again, I don't
think they're done throwing those darts.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Jandie Morris will be in that mix now, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Now they bring in Jalen Moore, like you said, from
San Francisco to be in that mix, and I think
they'll probably.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Draft another tackle somewhere in the top one hundred picks
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Speaker 1 (12:18):
Finally, it's inevitable. An Aaron Rodgers question, I mean, I
don't love the Steeler.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I don't know if anybody knows exactly what he's going
to do. If you don't want to be honest with
you people, I think only Aaron knows.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I mean, is that where is that where we're at?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I mean seriously, yeah, So, I mean I think to so,
just having talked to some people who know him and
you know, who understand the experiences that he's had and
everything else, here's how I would compare the two opportunities
that he's got, Right, So, you have the one opportunity
in Pittsburgh where you're really asking him to be the
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finishing piece, and he's coming in and he'd be coming
in and playing with some guys that really are as peers,
right like so TJ. Watt, Mika Fitzpatrick. Those guys are
going to be operating with the same level of urgency
that he's operating with.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
They've got a young offensive line that I think has
got a chance to be really good.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
They're bringing in dk metcalp that's another win now move.
So you look at it as a team that's been
good for a long time, just hasn't been great.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
In a while.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Right, So what are you asking me to do? You're
asking him to come in and be the last piece.
I think if he goes to the Giants, you're asking
him to be the difference maker. Now, they could be
really good. They've got Brian Burns, They've got Kevon Thibodeau,
They've got Dexter Lawrence. They brought in a couple of
young guys to playing their secondary. Paulson Adiebo I think
has got a chance to be a really good player
for him, Eliite neighbors on offense, bring him back. You
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know Andrew Thomas at left tackle, Tyrone Tracy has potential
at running back.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
But isn't that sort of what.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
He just did with the Jets, right, Like where the
Jets were asking him to be the difference maker with
a younger team and that didn't really work. Pittsburgh's asking
for something different. Pittsburgh's saying, like we just need somebody
put us over the top of the position. So I
do wonder if that's going to be a factor in
his decision making. Again, only he knows, and he's very
private about these things.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
And I don't know what the timeline is. It could
happen in ten minutes, it could happen in ten days.
But you know, I do think, you know, we're all
a product of our own experiences, and I and I
look at this like Pittsburgh offers him as something that's
a little bit different than what he went through with
the Jets, where I think the Giants would be asking
him to do something similar to what the Jets were
asking him to do a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback on a very fun week.
A few other things. Cooper Cups gonna get let go
of the Rams, so keep your eye on that as always, Albert,
Great stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Awesome, Thanks Colin.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
What a fun day, what a fun week. Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
No, no turn on the news. This is the Herdline News,
all right, Colin.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
We have Zion Williamson in the news.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Remember that guy, the duke superstar will He's really turned
it on in a second and half of the season,
even though the Pelican stink. He had his second career
triple double last night to win over the paper clips. However,
the self proclaimed leader of the Big.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Man Alliance that Shaq is not impressed.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You give him pros to that.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I mean more, Yeah, I mean more, twenty, I mean
twenty six, twenty seven. I demand from my friend player,
you play up the math. Don't be given frosts to
twenty points. Anybody give twenty points.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Now we have an edict on the show. Now when
the haters hate, we're gonna call him out. Zion, who's
had a rough career right injury, plague, fun the water,
finally get to a second career triple gub.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
We should be applauding it. And Shack is like, only
twenty points, that's it?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Colin?
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Come on, well, what's with the negativity?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Well, Zion's had a turbulent career. I still contend he's
one of those guys. There's always guys like this in
the league. He's always like four seconds away from the
great player ever seen. He's a fun watch. Jahn Morant
has that, Steph Curry's got that. There's about four guys
in the league, Jaws Staff Zion, You're like, what did
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I just see? So I I at this point, if
I'm the Pelicans, if he's playing, I'm good thrill. If
you say, hey, Zion's giving me thirty two tonight, thirty
two minutes, I don't even care what the result meant.
I like the energy this colin.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
There's a world where if I told you for the
next six seasons, Zion is gonna play seventy or more games.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Oh, I take it. I take it today.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
He has a chance to be the face of the league.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You gave me sixty five plus and a playoff spot.
I take it.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
He's got a chance to He's not too bumpy.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
You know how much people love this guy. Zion wins
hugely popular.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
He's just gotta stay healthy and play. He's a human
highlight reel.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
He's dominic.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Will you think he's gonna be the face of the
league or healthy for like six years. He's got to
go to New York to do that. There's never gonna
be a guy in New Orleans that's face of the league.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
So you're trying to draw Drew Brees.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Was not face of the league. He was great that's
football to the NFL doesn't matter. NBA matters, Baseball matters.
Nobody for the Rays is gonna be face of the league.
Nobody for the Orioles is gonna be face of the league.
Cal Ripken was not the face of the league. He
was a great players. Up up there, Sam Darnold's up there.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
All right.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Next story is the big NBA matchup tonight that you're
canceling dinner plans for Thunder at the Celtics. The last
time these two teams played, the Thunder defense held Boston and.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Check the producers on the show.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Of course, Love absolutely loved the OKC Thunder, so they
wanted me to let you guys know that Boston could
do nothing against SGA and company last time. Now, Jalen
Williams is out tonight.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
He will not play.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
As Rachel Nicol said, there's still concern over for Zingis.
We don't know about Tatum.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
You could think they need Tatum tonight, Or said, remember.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
When you said the Celtics are ten and two without Tatum.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Yeah, here here it is.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Last time Celtics met OKC, maybe they were coming off
of New Year's.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Even last time they played, the Tatum play I would assume,
so ye, and then they shot nineteen percent from three.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's a bad game.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Speaking of face of the league, how that Oh that's
a face plan. Oh I'm starting to selling Barkley you start, Yeah, seriously,
maybe I'll turn on those guys too.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Yeah, so SGA your MVP, I believe, right.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
What if he goes into Boston so they lose to
Denver on a back to back with no Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I've already made my mind though, I don't need another.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
You didn't need to hear the question.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
And what if they go to Boston and lose to
a depleted Celtics team?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Are you still binding the Thunder as a championship contender?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, so the season's winding down, you're resting guys. By
the way, Tatum at twenty six in that game, the
staff says, you see though, here's the thing, folks, The
staff loves Tatum, and they get annoyed when I'm critical
of Jason Tatum because, like the staff, Tatum is young
and promising, so they're like, oh, Tatum's great. The boss
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just doesn't like him because some of the people on
the staff I don't like.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Some day Goward is really on one today. You just
anything goes here.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So when you have magnesium, you start your night and
day with magnesium. Stuff goes sideways. That's all I'm gonna say. Well,
let's see if this is not a louse pinogenic. But
I slept like I you know, got calmped in the head.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
Yeah, this final topic could get you off on a tangent.
And the Rams are releasing wide receiver Cooper Cup. He
is thirty one years old. I would expect him to
be coveted on the open market. However, we have had
some graphics. I don't know if we're gonna show this
one where Cooper Cup basically had one amazing season colin
twenty twenty one, right near it is.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
On the screen, nineteen hundred yards.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
This was when they won the Super Bowl, I'm pretty sure.
And then in the year's past since then, he's done
like very little.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I'm not calling him a one year wonder or.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Anything like that. That's a great route runner.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
I just don't think there's gonna be some sort of
low level bidding war for Cooper Cups.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
He tells you there, even with Puka, Puka has been
banged up. They went and got another star so because
Pooka misses time.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
I think Cooper Cup loves it out here and I
would not be surprised if the Chargers made a run.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
At MD to be if I could get him for
nothing or a very small note like the Chargers right
now lost Palmer, so they've got basically they need a
tight end, a running back and two received.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
By the way, Cooper Cup is better than Josh Pam
and I know Palmer's.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Got some promise. These tough cups better.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Cooper Cup is better. So I think Cup could at
land with the Chargers. He loves it out here.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I bet you they're talking right now.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
I think the Chiefs are going to make a run
in the money.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
They released DeAndre Hopkins where she Rice isn't coming off
the injuries, got some stuff off the field, Xavier Worthy
limited and.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
It doesn't it come down to how much of the
salary of the Rams gonna pay. I think the Chargers
would take him tomorrow, but they don't want to span on.
His family doesn't want to pay the money.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
You want to move to Kansas City for one year
for ten mil? Or do you want to stay with
the Chargers for a year for five?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, the kid played high school football, went to college
at Cheenie, Washington.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Girl Hawks.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Are you saying Seahawks getting the mixer?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
No, I'm saying, if you grow up, if you play
college fooball in Cheenie, Washington, you're fine moving to Kansas City. Oh,
you made it sound like you didn't want to go
to Kansas City.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Do you want to move to them in one year?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
That's it? That's it would be like Kansas City is
the only city of size in America. I've never been due.
I don't think that's the whole country. That's the only one.
And I have friends there.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Every other city. Have you been a Sacramento multiple times? Why?
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Just kidding?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well? Those are that the American River. So I went
to rafting in sacrament Oh, the amazing whitewater rafting.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
I've only been here eight years.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
I don't know California that well, I'm I didn't know
there was a river.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
In sacrament Really.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I thought it was a desert out there basically.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And well, it's not out there, it's up there, up there,
it's up there. You should drive. I got my first
speeding ticket in Eureka. I didn't know. I've I've been
to every ounce of the state. I'm Fresno, west east everywhere.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I'm trying to think of another mid major city.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I've been. I've been to wherever the University of Iowa is.
I've been there. I went no nomes, I know ames
as Iowa State. I've been to Iowa. I went to
this bar that had an aviation theme and great pizza
and wherever Iowa was located.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Out You've got this beautiful mind thing going on today.
Were you just pulling stuff out of your past?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Well, I've been taking ticket in Eureka. I got oh,
I remember, I remember.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
More than nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
It was like a smoky in the bandit. I was
going to go for it, but I just had a
I had an AMC pacer. So Iowa was in Iowa City.
I've been to Iowa City. One of the more beautiful
sunsets I've ever seen in Iowa. Mississippi, I have not
spent a lot of time there. No, no, no, I've
been to Memphis.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeh yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I had the scariest landing in my life on a
flight in we lightning hit. Lightning hit the runway as
we were landing. We were about one hundred and fifty
feet from the runway. Lightning hit the runway and we
went up and circled it. Not a great landing, so
I never went back. I'm done with that city. That's
a bad vibe city. I needed magnesium out for that flight.
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of the NFL free agency period, and nobody's huge money
except like New England. And they got a lot of
b players and that's nothing wrong with that. They filled gaps.
Let's do our winners and losers. So far, I think
there's five or six teams that stick out. I think
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the Bears adding three key starters on their offensive line,
which was ranked twenty fourth. That helps obviously Caleb Williams,
and also they could go get a running back in
the draft to add value to Caleb Williams. So once
the O line's good, the quarterback's better, the running back
room will be better. So I think they're a clear
winner so far. I like the direction. Clearly Ben Johnson
(25:33):
now is running the show. I think the Jets are
a loser. They downgraded at quarterback and paid a lot
for it. They lost some good players Davante Adams, Morgan Moses,
Jay d Reid, DJ Reid excuse me, and frankly, Aaron
Rodgers played well at the end of the season. So
I don't like and I don't know if Aaron Glenn's
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gonna work. I don't know. I think Washington comes across
as a winner. Again, they got very dependent on Terry McLaurin,
so they go out and get Devo Samuel. Then they
get a great pass blocking left tackle, Kin Law defensive
tackle I liked. I liked the chest piece of Debo Samuel.
I think it works. I don't like what the Steelers did.
(26:17):
I think they massively overpaid for what they already have
a high maintenance wide receiver. I think DK Metcalf and
George Pickens share some of the same qualities, and they
gave five years, one hundred and fifty million in a
second round pick for DK Metcalf. I don't like that
at all. They also lost Naujie Harris, their left tackle
to Tennessee. I just don't like the Steelers offseason at all.
(26:40):
And I think the Patriots, just based on volume, had
a very good I mean, they upgraded in the trenches.
They added a cornerback to Christian Gonzalez, so I think
that it leaves it wide open for them to go
get a running back Travis Hunter, to get some dynamic speed,
which they really lack. So I like what the Bears did,
Commanders did, and the Patriots did. I don't like the
(27:02):
Jets and the Steelers at all, So it's not ironic
the Jets and the Steelers may just swap quarterbacks. Jmac
had a Adam Schefter story that it kind of sounds
like it's leaked by the teams.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Yeah, so it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
He's come out and been like, hey, Aaron Rodgers is
really holding things up, and he alludes to nobody knowing
why what's taking so long?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Why is this? Why are you dragging this out for
four days? Just you know, kind of make a decision.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
And I wonder if that's coming from the Giants, because listen,
if the Giants don't land Rogers, they have to settle
for what Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So what's he reporting.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
He's reporting that Aaron Rodgers isn't like holding teams hostage.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Essentially, that's Aaron right on brand for him.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
But Colin, if the Giants don't get a quarterback, they
almost certainly have to trade up to two to get
to two to get a quarterback. Right, you can't take
a second round guy, who who's your dude from.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Ohio State transfer to Syracuse McCord.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
You can't take him and expect to keep your job right,
it says here.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Schefter says both the Steelers and Giants have said they
want to sign Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
He's just uncertain. He's a Honora.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Okay, ask yourself, what would you do? So now think
about this. You got to the Steelers just lost their
left tackle, total defensive culture, but a better roster the Giants.
I've already got a house that I love in New York.
I know the market play, I'm playing in the same stadium.
I have an excellent left tackle. Actually, I have an
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offensive coach. So I mean, just you have to consider everything.
It's I'm thinking if I was Aaron, I don't have
to move. I get an excellent left tackle, a star weapon,
an offensive coach. I think you think I'm crazy on this,
or I go to a The Steelers cannot get their
own line right. They just lost their left tackle and
it's a completely tone deaf offensive culture. Do you think
(28:54):
it's crazy? I almost think the Giants the better fit.
I get dable neighbors and Tom a left tackle.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Do you remember how Belichick went through this, Why doesn't
anybody want me? And he was like a little I
wonder if Rogers is going through some of that.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Now, how did the Raiders not want me? I could
have crushed with the Raiders?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Aaron?
Speaker 6 (29:11):
How did Seattle not want me?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I don't think he cares?
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Why would he? You don't think Aaron Rodgers cares about
that stuff?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I can't read his mind, No, but just think about
you know, I've moved cross country three or four times.
You I always get a yellow pad and I write stuff.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Down frozen cons Right, Yeah, I've.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Done this like four times. And what matters to Aaron Rodgers?
He doesn't want to get hit. I get an elite
left tackle or the Steelers don't have one. I get
an offensive coach who's pretty damn good, or a coach
that's toned deaf to offense.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
But who's got the better receivers?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Well, right, Neighbors is a stud.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
He's a stud.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But DK Metcalf and Pickens. I think they're gonna move
Pickens at some point. I gotta tell you something. I'll
take Neighbors over both those guys because I think he
I did. Metcalf has a limited route tree and he's
gonna come in big money. Give me the ball. I
don't want to deal with that nonsense. You think it's crazy,
But if you're writing down pros and cons, don't have
(30:10):
to move excellent elite left tackle offensive coach. The only
thing I don't like is it feels like you're a savior,
which I don't want to be. But you know, Aaron
may like the idea of hey, you better listen to me,
or both the coach and the GM.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Are out of work at the same time. Don't you
think they're third best in the division even with run?
They're not better than Washington.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Where you think you think I got Lamar, Jackson and
Burrow in the other division, or I got the Eagles
in Washington.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Better than the Browns.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
If Lamar if Rogers goes to the Steelers, are they
better than the Bengals?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
What it? Where is PFF rank the Giants roster like
seventeenth eighteenth.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
It's not great.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's not as good as the Jets.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Steelers went to the playoffs last year.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
For what it's worth, I know they didn't win anything.
I would lean culture Steelers, but I don't know if
you know rob Culture.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I mean the Steelers have they have the better roster.
There's no doubting that Steelers have the better roster. Although
yeah you do. Yeah, but there there's stay where I live,
great left tackle, offensive coach, young elite weapon. I can
see being like, you know, okay, I'm good.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
They're not the Midwest technically is.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's like Pittsburgh's a weird city. It's it feels east coast.
But if you if you go to Pittsburgh and live
in Pittsburgh, it feels much more like Ohio than New York.
So I would say it's Midwest on a map, it
feels east. It's more midwest. Philadelphia feels east coast. It's
just the city
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, welcome back. Apparently Rams picked up Davante Adams,
which we thought was one of those seamless moves that'll work.
DeMarcus Robbinson the receiver went to San Francisco yesterday. Cooper
Cup's gonna get released here pretty quick. Let's go to
Albert Breer joining us live. Cooper Cups. God, but is
(00:45):
there a landing spot? I actually think the Chargers would
be interesting. What do you make of Cooper Cup? Where
would he go?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I mean I think there are teams out there that
are contenders that would make some sense.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Are the what about the Lions?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You know where he could have a compliment with Amon
Ross and Brown and Jamison Williams there. Obviously he's got
the background with Jared Goff from other years together in
Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
There are some contenders out there. And then I think, you.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Know, like maybe where the bigger money would be might
be in a place where he could help lay a foundation.
And you know, one place like that would be Jacksonville
with Liam Cohen there. He can make a difference for
Brian Thomas Junior coming off of his rookie year, and
really I think he'd know the expectations of Liam Cohen,
he'd know the system. You know, he kind of helped
(01:34):
be a torch bearer in a place like that, So
I think he's gonna have some options out there. Colin,
You're just going to be comfortable with a that he's
you know, probably not quite what he was a couple
of years ago, and be you might be dealing with
a guy you only get for ten or twelve games,
because that's really what he's been in the last three years.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
By the way, the Niners making some fairly seismic moves.
They wanted to keep Havanka and Green Lodels were excellent players,
banged up a lot, but excellent instinctive players, and some
of it's just clearing space for Brock pretty so they've
got some space. But they also released a leak a
couple of days ago, like our negotiations are going to
be different now, which, by the way, is what the
(02:12):
Rams have done. They just set a ceiling and said Stafford,
this is what you're making. We're not moving off it,
you know, signing both Uk and Debo. Oh I felt
a little much. The brought pretty thing. I'm just forty
four million. I mean, this stuff matters when you're talking
about a guy who I view as sort of a
good player, but he needs players around him to excel.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and I think that's why this is going to
take a little while, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
And if you look at the last few years with
the Niners, they have lots of negotiations dragging to the summer.
Three years ago was Debo, two years ago as Nick Boso.
Last year was Brandon AYUK. So you know, we've seen
these things, you know, drag, and we've seen the the
Niners have some trouble at the negotiating table. That could
happen with this one. This is a complicated negotiation. I
(02:57):
don't think he'll hold out with a couple of those
other guys did, but I don't think this one's going
to be easy either. I think the Niners are kind
of where the Rams were two years ago where the
Bills were last year. Both those teams carried seventy five
million dollars in dead money into a season, and in
an attempt to kind of clean their cap out and
try to have some more balance going forward, and and
(03:19):
and kind of it wasn't going back to square one,
but reset their program. I think that's really where the
Niners are right now. And and look like, you know,
it's tough, you know, because it's you know, the way
that they built and doing it through the draft. They
found George Kittle in the fifth round, they found Fred
Warner in the fourth round, they found found Brock Party
in the seventh round.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Deebo Samuel was a second rounder. So it's not easy
to to to to do that again.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
But they have shown the ability to draft and develop
over the years, and that's what they're going to have
to be good at as they sort of move off
of the core that got them to two super Bowls.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I again, like I think a lot of times you
go in to these situations and fan base can panic
and look like, well, we're letting go this guy and
we're letting go of that guy, and this is going
to be a year where we're completely ripping the band
aid off in tanking that doesn't have to be where
it is.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
You know, again, the Bills did it last.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Year and they were able to make the playoffs with
seventy five million dollars in dead money. The year before that,
the Rams did it, made the playoffs with seventy five
million dollars in dead money. So I wouldn't rule out
the Niners, a team that's been really good over the
last few years and with you know, a head coach
and a general manager who really know what they're doing,
being able to draft and develop their way out of this.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So I think the Bears. Two of my favorite moves
were Joe Tooney and Drew Dolman for a young quarterback.
I love those. Not sexy, but I love them. And Jamak.
There's a rumor out today that Gent, the running back
from Boise State, is going to go to Chicago. Now
j Mac says they want to leak that because they
know Gent there's three or four teams that want him,
(04:57):
and they want teams moving up. So I got you know,
clus over here, Inspector Cluso. My take is, I don't know.
I think they want another red rusher. I don't know.
I kind of like, I think there's a defensive need
for them more than a running back need. What do
you make of the Bears off season and the gen d.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Rumor, Well, they've just spent almost twenty million dollars a
year on dio odeyingbo I gotta still get the pronunciation
of his name right on the edge rusher from the
Colts to play opposite Montes. What they've invested in Javon Kinlaw,
a defensive tackle, and then like you said, on the
offensive line, adding Joe Toney and Drew Dolman and Jonah
(05:38):
Jackson from the Rams. Also, they've sort of reimagined what
they are up front of both sides of the ball,
and that mirrors what Ben Johnson was a part of
in Detroit. If you look at the foundation of the
teams in Detroit, they spent money. They spent draft capital
onlineman Piney Sewell was their first draft pick. The next
(05:59):
year they spent the second all pick on Ayden Hutchinson.
There were other guys they got later in the draft,
like Oflene McNeil, have been foundation pieces. They obviously inherited
Frank rag Now and Taylor Decker there.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And you know.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I I think if you look at you know, what
Ben Johnson would want to build in Chicago would be similar.
And so you're seeing that investment on the lines. If
you want to bring Ashton Genty into the conversation, Okay,
here's the way I look at that one. There are
people out there, and we've heard Travis Hunter and Abdul
Carter in some order, or the number one and number
two guys in this year's draft class. Right, I've heard
(06:32):
some people put Ashton Genty in that territory too. Now,
you don't value him the same way you would a
two way player who could play receiver in impartant two
premium positions or an edge rusher, right like, so the
positional value isn't there. But if you view Ashton Jenny
Genty that way, where he's in that class of player.
Wasn't there a team recently that surprised everybody by taking
(06:55):
a running back in the first round and got a
really big payoff, right, yeah, Gibbs with the Lions.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So that's you know, part of Ben Johnson's past as well.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
It's another way of investing in your young quarterback where
you can take some of the pressure off of him
by having a really productive running game.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, the running backs.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Who get drafted high and have been productive players after
being drafted high, Saquon Barkley, Ezekiel Elliott, you know obviously, Yeah,
adri Well No, a couple of years ago with both
with both Jean Robinson and Jamier Gibbs. Those guys bring
value in the pass game too, you know. And Ashton
genty can do that as well. So I mean, it
(07:37):
wouldn't floor me if if they took a running back
in the first round because of Ben Johnson's.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Pass and because it would, it could mean for Caleble.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
So it's interesting. Denver and Sean Payton made a couple
interesting moves. Hafunk has been hurt a lot, same with
green Law. Good players, insanely instinctive, smart guys. And my
take was Sean Payton thought, listen, I got to twenty
five points a game last year with bow Knicks as
a rookie. If I can squeeze a little more juice
(08:05):
out of him, twenty six and a half, twenty seven
in a game. If you look at the games that
they scored like twenty five or more last year, they
went nine to one and I can see Peyton saying,
I'm all squeezed the offense, all squeeze the juice out
of the offense. I got to get our defense, which
got kind of tired at the end of the year
because a lot of people look at those moves and
say they're risky. But I think bow Knicks was actually
(08:27):
better than Sean fought as a rookie at quarterback.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
What say you, yeah, this is another one where you
can look at a guy's pass like Sean Payton. Over
the years, they didn't pay skill position players really until
the very end when they had both Michael Thomas and
Alvin Kamara on big contracts. Remember they paid Jimmy Graham.
They wound up trading him a year after they paid him.
I mean, if you want to go way back Marcus Colston,
but you can't find a ton of skill players that
(08:51):
they paid in New Orleans. They paid the quarterback, they
paid the offensive lineman, they paid the defense. And so
I think this does reflect the way that they built
in New Orleans. And I think it's Sean Payton's belief
that he can make it work with younger players or
lesser players at skill positions because of what he's able
to do schematically. And so I think this is really
Sean Payton looking and saying, we had the number one
(09:13):
defense in the NFL last year. We have Patrick Sartam,
we have a couple of young edge rushers that are
still on their rookie deals, are coming off just coming
off their rookie deals, and Nick Bonito and Jonathan Cooper,
and we can take the defense to the next level.
We've got a chance here to take a really good
defense and make it a great defense by adding guys
like Drake Greenlab.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And Hafunga right down the middle. And so.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I look at it as Sean Payton's belief in himself
that hey, I can find a joker, as he calls it,
I can find a receiver in the draft. They did
it last year with the two rookies they drafted, Vele
and Franklin. I can find those guys in the draft
that I can develop and I can fit to my offense.
Let's go spend everywhere else, and I'll make it work
(10:01):
schematically because of what I bring to the table.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Exactly what he did in New Orleans, and I think
it's what he's going to try to do again in
Denver this year.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
That's good stuff. I will tell you there's one team
they lost Joe Tooney, they're going to go with a
backup Niner tackle at left tackle.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I watched. I watched this offense struggle last year get
pushed around by a couple of teams. Raiders gave him
fits up front. Kansas City goes into the season. I
don't love the old line. It's hard to be a
great team albert with a mediocre, below average O line,
is it not?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, And you know they were going to take a
swing on Ronnie Stanley too, And I think their number
was going to be right around where Baltimore's number was
for Ronnie Stanley. And obviously Baltimore is able to take
them off the market two days before free agency start.
So that was their plan, was to invest in one
of the best left tackles in football. Doesn't work out
for them, so they have to go to Plan B,
which is really projecting a guy. You know, like they
(11:02):
look at Jalen Moore and they see some talent there.
He obviously had limited snaps. It was those really came
when Trent Williams was hurt. But they saw a guy like, Okay,
we'll bring him in. We got a two year deal,
thirty million dollars. It's not crazy money, and we'll project
him to be a little bit more than he was
in San Francisco. Will work out, we'll see. I don't
(11:23):
think it's the only dart they're going to throw at
that position. I don't know how much longer Juwan Taylor
is going to be there at right tackle, like this
might be his last year there. So I still think
that they're going to spend significant draft capital on the
tackle position and try to get that right. I mean,
you've seen they've done it over the last few years.
Juande Morris was a young guy that they tried to
bring along Kingsley. Sue Amataia is moving inside to left guard. Now,
(11:49):
you know, really, for the Chiefs, this is going to
be about throwing a bunch of darts at the position
and trying to get it right. And again, I don't
think they're done throwing those darts.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Jandie Morris will be in that mix now, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Now they bring in Jalen Moore, like you said, from
San Francisco to be in that mix, and I think
they'll probably.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Draft another tackle somewhere in the top one hundred picks
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Speaker 1 (12:18):
Finally, it's inevitable. An Aaron Rodgers question, I mean, I
don't love the Steeler.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I don't know if anybody knows exactly what he's going
to do. If you don't want to be honest with
you people, I think only Aaron knows.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I mean, is that where is that where we're at?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I mean seriously, yeah, So, I mean I think to so,
just having talked to some people who know him and
you know, who understand the experiences that he's had and
everything else, here's how I would compare the two opportunities
that he's got, Right, So, you have the one opportunity
in Pittsburgh where you're really asking him to be the
(12:55):
finishing piece, and he's coming in and he'd be coming
in and playing with some guys that really are as peers,
right like so TJ. Watt, Mika Fitzpatrick. Those guys are
going to be operating with the same level of urgency
that he's operating with.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
They've got a young offensive line that I think has
got a chance to be really good.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
They're bringing in dk metcalp that's another win now move.
So you look at it as a team that's been
good for a long time, just hasn't been great.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
In a while.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Right, So what are you asking me to do? You're
asking him to come in and be the last piece.
I think if he goes to the Giants, you're asking
him to be the difference maker. Now, they could be
really good. They've got Brian Burns, They've got Kevon Thibodeau,
They've got Dexter Lawrence. They brought in a couple of
young guys to playing their secondary. Paulson Adiebo I think
has got a chance to be a really good player
for him, Eliite neighbors on offense, bring him back. You
(13:40):
know Andrew Thomas at left tackle, Tyrone Tracy has potential
at running back.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
But isn't that sort of what.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
He just did with the Jets, right, Like where the
Jets were asking him to be the difference maker with
a younger team and that didn't really work. Pittsburgh's asking
for something different. Pittsburgh's saying, like we just need somebody
put us over the top of the position. So I
do wonder if that's going to be a factor in
his decision making. Again, only he knows, and he's very
private about these things.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
And I don't know what the timeline is. It could
happen in ten minutes, it could happen in ten days.
But you know, I do think, you know, we're all
a product of our own experiences, and I and I
look at this like Pittsburgh offers him as something that's
a little bit different than what he went through with
the Jets, where I think the Giants would be asking
him to do something similar to what the Jets were
asking him to do a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback on a very fun week.
A few other things. Cooper Cups gonna get let go
of the Rams, so keep your eye on that as always, Albert,
Great stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Awesome, Thanks Colin.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
What a fun day, what a fun week. Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
No, no turn on the news. This is the Herdline News,
all right, Colin.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
We have Zion Williamson in the news.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Remember that guy, the duke superstar will He's really turned
it on in a second and half of the season,
even though the Pelican stink. He had his second career
triple double last night to win over the paper clips. However,
the self proclaimed leader of the Big.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Man Alliance that Shaq is not impressed.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You give him pros to that.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I mean more, Yeah, I mean more, twenty, I mean
twenty six, twenty seven. I demand from my friend player,
you play up the math. Don't be given frosts to
twenty points. Anybody give twenty points.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Now we have an edict on the show. Now when
the haters hate, we're gonna call him out. Zion, who's
had a rough career right injury, plague, fun the water,
finally get to a second career triple gub.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
We should be applauding it. And Shack is like, only
twenty points, that's it?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Colin?
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Come on, well, what's with the negativity?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Well, Zion's had a turbulent career. I still contend he's
one of those guys. There's always guys like this in
the league. He's always like four seconds away from the
great player ever seen. He's a fun watch. Jahn Morant
has that, Steph Curry's got that. There's about four guys
in the league, Jaws Staff Zion, You're like, what did
(16:09):
I just see? So I I at this point, if
I'm the Pelicans, if he's playing, I'm good thrill. If
you say, hey, Zion's giving me thirty two tonight, thirty
two minutes, I don't even care what the result meant.
I like the energy this colin.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
There's a world where if I told you for the
next six seasons, Zion is gonna play seventy or more games.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Oh, I take it. I take it today.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
He has a chance to be the face of the league.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You gave me sixty five plus and a playoff spot.
I take it.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
He's got a chance to He's not too bumpy.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
You know how much people love this guy. Zion wins
hugely popular.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
He's just gotta stay healthy and play. He's a human
highlight reel.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
He's dominic.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Will you think he's gonna be the face of the
league or healthy for like six years. He's got to
go to New York to do that. There's never gonna
be a guy in New Orleans that's face of the league.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
So you're trying to draw Drew Brees.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Was not face of the league. He was great that's
football to the NFL doesn't matter. NBA matters, Baseball matters.
Nobody for the Rays is gonna be face of the league.
Nobody for the Orioles is gonna be face of the league.
Cal Ripken was not the face of the league. He
was a great players. Up up there, Sam Darnold's up there.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
All right.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Next story is the big NBA matchup tonight that you're
canceling dinner plans for Thunder at the Celtics. The last
time these two teams played, the Thunder defense held Boston and.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Check the producers on the show.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Of course, Love absolutely loved the OKC Thunder, so they
wanted me to let you guys know that Boston could
do nothing against SGA and company last time. Now, Jalen
Williams is out tonight.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
He will not play.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
As Rachel Nicol said, there's still concern over for Zingis.
We don't know about Tatum.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
You could think they need Tatum tonight, Or said, remember.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
When you said the Celtics are ten and two without Tatum.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Yeah, here here it is.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Last time Celtics met OKC, maybe they were coming off
of New Year's.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Even last time they played, the Tatum play I would assume,
so ye, and then they shot nineteen percent from three.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's a bad game.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Speaking of face of the league, how that Oh that's
a face plan. Oh I'm starting to selling Barkley you start, Yeah, seriously,
maybe I'll turn on those guys too.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Yeah, so SGA your MVP, I believe, right.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
What if he goes into Boston so they lose to
Denver on a back to back with no Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I've already made my mind though, I don't need another.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
You didn't need to hear the question.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
And what if they go to Boston and lose to
a depleted Celtics team?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Are you still binding the Thunder as a championship contender?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, so the season's winding down, you're resting guys. By
the way, Tatum at twenty six in that game, the
staff says, you see though, here's the thing, folks, The
staff loves Tatum, and they get annoyed when I'm critical
of Jason Tatum because, like the staff, Tatum is young
and promising, so they're like, oh, Tatum's great. The boss
(18:59):
just doesn't like him because some of the people on
the staff I don't like.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Some day Goward is really on one today. You just
anything goes here.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So when you have magnesium, you start your night and
day with magnesium. Stuff goes sideways. That's all I'm gonna say. Well,
let's see if this is not a louse pinogenic. But
I slept like I you know, got calmped in the head.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
Yeah, this final topic could get you off on a tangent.
And the Rams are releasing wide receiver Cooper Cup. He
is thirty one years old. I would expect him to
be coveted on the open market. However, we have had
some graphics. I don't know if we're gonna show this
one where Cooper Cup basically had one amazing season colin
twenty twenty one, right near it is.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
On the screen, nineteen hundred yards.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
This was when they won the Super Bowl, I'm pretty sure.
And then in the year's past since then, he's done
like very little.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I'm not calling him a one year wonder or.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Anything like that. That's a great route runner.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
I just don't think there's gonna be some sort of
low level bidding war for Cooper Cups.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
He tells you there, even with Puka, Puka has been
banged up. They went and got another star so because
Pooka misses time.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
I think Cooper Cup loves it out here and I
would not be surprised if the Chargers made a run.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
At MD to be if I could get him for
nothing or a very small note like the Chargers right
now lost Palmer, so they've got basically they need a
tight end, a running back and two received.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
By the way, Cooper Cup is better than Josh Pam
and I know Palmer's.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Got some promise. These tough cups better.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Cooper Cup is better. So I think Cup could at
land with the Chargers. He loves it out here.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I bet you they're talking right now.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
I think the Chiefs are going to make a run
in the money.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
They released DeAndre Hopkins where she Rice isn't coming off
the injuries, got some stuff off the field, Xavier Worthy
limited and.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
It doesn't it come down to how much of the
salary of the Rams gonna pay. I think the Chargers
would take him tomorrow, but they don't want to span on.
His family doesn't want to pay the money.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
You want to move to Kansas City for one year
for ten mil? Or do you want to stay with
the Chargers for a year for five?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, the kid played high school football, went to college
at Cheenie, Washington.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Girl Hawks.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Are you saying Seahawks getting the mixer?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
No, I'm saying, if you grow up, if you play
college fooball in Cheenie, Washington, you're fine moving to Kansas City. Oh,
you made it sound like you didn't want to go
to Kansas City.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Do you want to move to them in one year?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
That's it? That's it would be like Kansas City is
the only city of size in America. I've never been due.
I don't think that's the whole country. That's the only one.
And I have friends there.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Every other city. Have you been a Sacramento multiple times? Why?
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Just kidding?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well? Those are that the American River. So I went
to rafting in sacrament Oh, the amazing whitewater rafting.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
I've only been here eight years.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
I don't know California that well, I'm I didn't know
there was a river.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
In sacrament Really.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I thought it was a desert out there basically.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And well, it's not out there, it's up there, up there,
it's up there. You should drive. I got my first
speeding ticket in Eureka. I didn't know. I've I've been
to every ounce of the state. I'm Fresno, west east everywhere.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I'm trying to think of another mid major city.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I've been. I've been to wherever the University of Iowa is.
I've been there. I went no nomes, I know ames
as Iowa State. I've been to Iowa. I went to
this bar that had an aviation theme and great pizza
and wherever Iowa was located.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Out You've got this beautiful mind thing going on today.
Were you just pulling stuff out of your past?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Well, I've been taking ticket in Eureka. I got oh,
I remember, I remember.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
More than nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
It was like a smoky in the bandit. I was
going to go for it, but I just had a
I had an AMC pacer. So Iowa was in Iowa City.
I've been to Iowa City. One of the more beautiful
sunsets I've ever seen in Iowa. Mississippi, I have not
spent a lot of time there. No, no, no, I've
been to Memphis.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeh yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I had the scariest landing in my life on a
flight in we lightning hit. Lightning hit the runway as
we were landing. We were about one hundred and fifty
feet from the runway. Lightning hit the runway and we
went up and circled it. Not a great landing, so
I never went back. I'm done with that city. That's
a bad vibe city. I needed magnesium out for that flight.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Jmack with the news, Well that's the.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
News, and thanks for stopping by the Heard Line News.
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When I have a bad night's sleep, I don't even
want to be here. But when I have a good
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I'm just I'll be exhausted two minutes after the show,
I'll have nothing. But I gave you everything.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
You just know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I gave you everything. I gave you a Yokich, I
gave you forty.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Today was just an empty Tomorrow, I am.
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You're gonna give you my predictions. I am going to
give you my division predictions tomorrow. For I think I'm
gonna do AFC into NFS.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Show's gonna need a little more jamat tomorrow. You're gonna
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I think we I think we're full on the old
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That's Covino and Rich. We had Albert Breer on today
of the NFL free agency period, and nobody's huge money
except like New England. And they got a lot of
b players and that's nothing wrong with that. They filled gaps.
Let's do our winners and losers. So far, I think
there's five or six teams that stick out. I think
(25:11):
the Bears adding three key starters on their offensive line,
which was ranked twenty fourth. That helps obviously Caleb Williams,
and also they could go get a running back in
the draft to add value to Caleb Williams. So once
the O line's good, the quarterback's better, the running back
room will be better. So I think they're a clear
winner so far. I like the direction. Clearly Ben Johnson
(25:33):
now is running the show. I think the Jets are
a loser. They downgraded at quarterback and paid a lot
for it. They lost some good players Davante Adams, Morgan Moses,
Jay d Reid, DJ Reid excuse me, and frankly, Aaron
Rodgers played well at the end of the season. So
I don't like and I don't know if Aaron Glenn's
(25:55):
gonna work. I don't know. I think Washington comes across
as a winner. Again, they got very dependent on Terry McLaurin,
so they go out and get Devo Samuel. Then they
get a great pass blocking left tackle, Kin Law defensive
tackle I liked. I liked the chest piece of Debo Samuel.
I think it works. I don't like what the Steelers did.
(26:17):
I think they massively overpaid for what they already have
a high maintenance wide receiver. I think DK Metcalf and
George Pickens share some of the same qualities, and they
gave five years, one hundred and fifty million in a
second round pick for DK Metcalf. I don't like that
at all. They also lost Naujie Harris, their left tackle
to Tennessee. I just don't like the Steelers offseason at all.
(26:40):
And I think the Patriots, just based on volume, had
a very good I mean, they upgraded in the trenches.
They added a cornerback to Christian Gonzalez, so I think
that it leaves it wide open for them to go
get a running back Travis Hunter, to get some dynamic speed,
which they really lack. So I like what the Bears did,
Commanders did, and the Patriots did. I don't like the
(27:02):
Jets and the Steelers at all, So it's not ironic
the Jets and the Steelers may just swap quarterbacks. Jmac
had a Adam Schefter story that it kind of sounds
like it's leaked by the teams.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Yeah, so it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
He's come out and been like, hey, Aaron Rodgers is
really holding things up, and he alludes to nobody knowing
why what's taking so long?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Why is this? Why are you dragging this out for
four days? Just you know, kind of make a decision.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
And I wonder if that's coming from the Giants, because listen,
if the Giants don't land Rogers, they have to settle
for what Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So what's he reporting.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
He's reporting that Aaron Rodgers isn't like holding teams hostage.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Essentially, that's Aaron right on brand for him.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
But Colin, if the Giants don't get a quarterback, they
almost certainly have to trade up to two to get
to two to get a quarterback. Right, you can't take
a second round guy, who who's your dude from.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Ohio State transfer to Syracuse McCord.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
You can't take him and expect to keep your job right,
it says here.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Schefter says both the Steelers and Giants have said they
want to sign Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
He's just uncertain. He's a Honora.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Okay, ask yourself, what would you do? So now think
about this. You got to the Steelers just lost their
left tackle, total defensive culture, but a better roster the Giants.
I've already got a house that I love in New York.
I know the market play, I'm playing in the same stadium.
I have an excellent left tackle. Actually, I have an
(28:31):
offensive coach. So I mean, just you have to consider everything.
It's I'm thinking if I was Aaron, I don't have
to move. I get an excellent left tackle, a star weapon,
an offensive coach. I think you think I'm crazy on this,
or I go to a The Steelers cannot get their
own line right. They just lost their left tackle and
it's a completely tone deaf offensive culture. Do you think
(28:54):
it's crazy? I almost think the Giants the better fit.
I get dable neighbors and Tom a left tackle.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Do you remember how Belichick went through this, Why doesn't
anybody want me? And he was like a little I
wonder if Rogers is going through some of that.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Now, how did the Raiders not want me? I could
have crushed with the Raiders?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Aaron?
Speaker 6 (29:11):
How did Seattle not want me?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I don't think he cares?
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Why would he? You don't think Aaron Rodgers cares about
that stuff?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I can't read his mind, No, but just think about
you know, I've moved cross country three or four times.
You I always get a yellow pad and I write stuff.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Down frozen cons Right, Yeah, I've.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Done this like four times. And what matters to Aaron Rodgers?
He doesn't want to get hit. I get an elite
left tackle or the Steelers don't have one. I get
an offensive coach who's pretty damn good, or a coach
that's toned deaf to offense.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
But who's got the better receivers?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Well, right, Neighbors is a stud.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
He's a stud.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But DK Metcalf and Pickens. I think they're gonna move
Pickens at some point. I gotta tell you something. I'll
take Neighbors over both those guys because I think he
I did. Metcalf has a limited route tree and he's
gonna come in big money. Give me the ball. I
don't want to deal with that nonsense. You think it's crazy,
But if you're writing down pros and cons, don't have
(30:10):
to move excellent elite left tackle offensive coach. The only
thing I don't like is it feels like you're a savior,
which I don't want to be. But you know, Aaron
may like the idea of hey, you better listen to me,
or both the coach and the GM.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Are out of work at the same time. Don't you
think they're third best in the division even with run?
They're not better than Washington.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Where you think you think I got Lamar, Jackson and
Burrow in the other division, or I got the Eagles
in Washington.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Better than the Browns.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
If Lamar if Rogers goes to the Steelers, are they
better than the Bengals?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
What it? Where is PFF rank the Giants roster like
seventeenth eighteenth.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
It's not great.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's not as good as the Jets.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Steelers went to the playoffs last year.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
For what it's worth, I know they didn't win anything.
I would lean culture Steelers, but I don't know if
you know rob Culture.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I mean the Steelers have they have the better roster.
There's no doubting that Steelers have the better roster. Although
yeah you do. Yeah, but there there's stay where I live,
great left tackle, offensive coach, young elite weapon. I can
see being like, you know, okay, I'm good.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
They're not the Midwest technically is.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's like Pittsburgh's a weird city. It's it feels east coast.
But if you if you go to Pittsburgh and live
in Pittsburgh, it feels much more like Ohio than New York.
So I would say it's Midwest on a map, it
feels east. It's more midwest. Philadelphia feels east coast. It's
just the city
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