March 17, 2025 • 31 mins
Colin talks to Chris Broussard about The Warriors great run this season, NBA officiating, Kevin Durant, the Knicks, and more
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Saint John's I really am, you know. One of the
things I watch certain things like I watched the World
Cup because you get the world's best soccer players, and
I watch the NFL because it's the world's best football players.
I don't think I'm getting the world's best basketball players.
I think a G League team could win this tournament,
the NBA Champs European. But there is something about sudden
(00:45):
death and massive brands and great coaching that March Madness
is wildly fun, wildly fun. I don't think those I
don't think there's any better story than Rick Mattino. They
kind of shuttle back and forth between Madison Square and
their home facilities, and it's just great and it's it's
New York loves its basketball and I can't wait. J
Mack for the.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
News, Turn on the news this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
All right, Colin, let's start with your boy, Kyler Murray. Listen,
we haven't talked about him a lot lately. I don't know.
Arizona's been kind of quiet in free agency, but he's
very excited about year seven with the Cardinals, and in
a recent radio appearance, Kyler believes things are looking up
for Arizona.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That's the frustrating part is I've had success.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
We've had success, and it just it hasn't ended up
in what we want, and that's to win the super
Bowl and be in the playoffs every year and have
a chance at it. You know, I've only been in
the playoffs once, so uh, that in itself is disappointing
to me and frustrating.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So gotta gotta.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Turn that around.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You know, I'm only getting older twenty seven, I'm still young,
so we got time and I know, I know, you know,
I know we're heading the right direction.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
This sounds like kind of grown up, a mature man.
I like what I hear. You know he likes me,
so I'm very positive. Arizona is my wild card team.
I said this last year. I think they're well coached.
I like Kyler They've got some unbelievable offensive weapons. I
never know what to make of them. I don't know
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what I'm getting. You put them outside northern climate like,
I don't know. Yeah, I love watching Arizona play, So
you're the one.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I like Arizona play.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Yah?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
You like losses disappointment.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Maybe I'm being too negative.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I don't see it Colin at best, at best third
in this division.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
They're not betting the Rams.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Short of a Stafford injury, a rock Perty injury, give
me the package.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I would not be shocked at all. If they were
a wild card playoff team, I would not. I mean,
let's be honest. San Francisco lost a lot of talent,
and you don't trust Darnold. If Arizona finished a second
I have, I don't doubt it at all at all.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I don't know that I trust Jonathan Gannon to produce
a herdline segment.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
No, God, I thought they well see anything from this guy. Yet.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I thought they played their butts off considering their personnel.
I thought they played hard.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
What's that one?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I don't know exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I'm not buying it. Sorry, too negative. Let's move on
to a positive story. Oh I love this great find
by our staff. The Pistons. They took a tough loss
last night to the Thunder, but look at that JB.
Bickerstaff was ticked off with the officiating. Things boiled over
when Cad Cunningham, who is a butting star in the NBA,
was ejected for a flagrant foul that was overturned and
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Cunningham received two texts after cussing an official and listen
a Bickerstaff go off in the post game.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Turn up the volume, folks.
Speaker 7 (03:46):
We deserve a level of respect because we're competing our
tails off and bringing something positive to this league.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Right.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
We're growing young players. Our young players are competing their
tail off. The least that they could do is get
the same respect that everybody else in this league gets
and get refereed the same way that everybody else in
this league gets trapped. And enough is enough of it.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
And what you saw tonight was disgusting.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
It was a disgusting display of disrespect towards our guys
and what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, I will say this now, let me defend him.
First of all, Detroit's an amazing story and what He's
basically saying, is all these teams in the East with
the big brands that have been winning for a year,
say Philadelphia, Boston, Cleveland, Knicks, Detroit every game, they're not
giving there a player like Kay Cunningham's a ball er.
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I mean he was good out of college.
Speaker 8 (04:41):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
A lot of this stems from they played Okay Seeds
and your boy SCA.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
You're MDP who I call the free throw merchant, which.
Speaker 9 (04:48):
Is ten times now. I know those Sins as a
team shot thirteen free throw This is an ongoing thing.
Bickerstat's not the first coach to complain about this. I'm
telling you Malone's had some shots. People are saying it
for a long time now.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I know that the Thunder as a team don't all
shoot a lot of free thoats.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
But SGA is refereed differently.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
If you like James Harden.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Back in the day, they change.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
The rules for Harden, member they change I watch Oklahoma
City play when fowls are called against SGA, they look
like fowls to me. I mean, I'm sorry, Karl Malone,
James Harden. Some guys initiate. Austin Reeves is great at
initiating contact. He's very good at it. Some guys are,
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but I but I think what Bigger staff is saying
is we're the best team in the league that nobody
thought would be any good, and because of that, we're
not getting by a very young officiating crew. NBA officials
can are kind of young. They're not giving us the
whistle they're given. They're intimidated by the Boston veterans and
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the Knicks veterans and you know Lebron James. There are
certain teams that are given the whistle with all our
young officials, and they're all the betteran old teams. And
we're a young team here fighting our butt off and
we're not getting a whistle. It's not a terrible argument,
but I think against SGA, I've heard it so many times.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'm over you're over interesting. Well, it's gonna come up
in the playoffs. But I'll just say this about the Pistons.
They are a great story in the NBA. And I
know Shack and company, they don't watch the Pistons. They're
boring all that nonsense. I'm just telling you right now,
the Pistons have more wins hill the Miami Heat. We
talk about them often keep culture Pistons are way better
than this year the Phoenix Suns Dallas Mavericks. We talk
about that the Pistons are better than both those teams
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have way more wins. Well, we need to put some
respect on Kate Cunningham and mister Bickerstaff's seams. They are
good and currently as the sixth seed, they would face
my Nicks the three they're not. That is not a
cakewalk for New York. I'm keeping it real with you,
not a cakewalk. Nick will win the series, but it
will not be easy. Detroit's legit, Colin, I'm not banging
on them. I thought Kay Cunningham, I mean he was
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a good scorer in college.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It was great, I'll admit I was.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I thought Jalen Green would be a better pro then
Kane cunning In and Kane Blackton this year by far
still good.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Good, but well Caid came into the league. The problem,
not the problem, but the reality of the NBA. These
guys come in young. They don't really develop emotional and
iq EQ in the NBA know how to play the
game and manipulate officials until like year three or four.
And he was hurt. But I mean Caid's been Cad
was wasn't even like top three or four pair me.
He was a great number one. He had number one pick,
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so I mean he was alway. He wasn't great in college.
But when you NFL guys coming too the league, they're
twenty three years old. So a lot of these NBA
players they just need three years. I mean, they played
thirty five games of college. Don't they play one hundred
NBA game.
Speaker 10 (07:39):
They're just not ready for you.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
The final story is Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Shoho Tani and the defending champion Dodgers are set to
take on the Cubs in the Tokyo Series tomorrow at
six am Eastern on Fox, So that's three am Pacific.
I'm sure, coward, you will be waking up for that.
Glor your boy, yamamotos. Some of us, some of us
are pivoting board baseball this year as opposed to what Well,
(08:04):
you're just out there all NFL talk.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Keep your on baseball. It's a growth industry.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
They have a lot of Cubs in white sox.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
I got.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I'm excited to watch these games. I can't wait. I
have a friend, the skuy I had nine people going
to these games.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
A gentleman named Shota Imonga will pitch for Chicago.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
A butchered his name badly. I'm embarrassed to say that.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Show hey leadoff hitter, five Japanese.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Stars in this one. Leani, of course it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Mookie Betts has been we'll miss both games due to
an illness. I'm if you couldn't tell, I'm a little
under the weather now, coach my kids in sports all
weekend and I'm battling it, but I'm powering through. Mookie
Bets said, I need to sit out this baseball.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well, yeah, I don't know what the Mooky Bets thing is.
Do they know what the Mookie Bets injury is?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Or that's an illness?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, I read that. Nobody knows quite what it is.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
It's like porzingis, Remember he missed like six games illness.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You know what I think it is. It's that stomach
virus thing.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
You know what, show up, give it, you're all. That's
what I'm here doing. I could have called in sick today.
I barely have a voice, you know, hopped up on
Mike whel I am right now in the day.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Have we spent a little more time doing the homework
and not being pat riley on the sidelines for twelve
year olds.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Hey, we did win the championship, both boys and girls.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I think America celebrated j Meck with the news.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
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Speaker 1 (09:31):
We had tom Izzo on earlier. And I like Michigan State.
I just think if they got behind in games, I
don't know if they can play catch up. They don't
shoot the three. And I asked them all thirty years
coach of Michigan State, what wins in the tournament.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
You could run all the best offense. If the final
shot doesn't go in, it hurts. But I think what
translates defense carries just like it does in all other sports,
whether it's hockey, baseball, basketball, or football. We've been pretty solid.
That's why I think we that a pretty good run.
Speaker 11 (10:02):
But you know, getting to the free throw.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Line I think matters and making shots because in the
in the tournament, you get down to the nitty gritty
and people are following you.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So you got to be able to make free throws.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Which we can do.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, it's gonna be a defensive tournament. Very few teams
can light it up in college basketball. You know. Rick
Beatino has said this about the nil and I think
this is a great life lesson complain all you want
or adapt. You're gonna adapt to the you know the
love stuff. There's stuff that happens in my industry I
(10:35):
don't love. But I got to sit and watch TikTok.
I mean, there's just too much information on it and
is almost talking about the ever changing landscape of college basketball,
like Jay.
Speaker 12 (10:48):
Wright, like Nick Saban. You know, those guys are friends
of mine. They decided to go another way. I'm too
dumb and stubborn to do it. I guess I just
I just figured that I got to get back to
the basics. Last year, I was on all kinds of committees.
Speaker 11 (11:03):
I worried about it. This year, I kind of stuck
the coach in my team and I've been lucky.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, well they play defense and they they score points,
but it's not necessarily pretty.
Speaker 11 (11:16):
And with that we go this.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
This the next three four weeks of basketball pro in
college is really good. Bruce joining us Chris Bruce are
live from New York, First Show, so we got into
this thing. So coach Bickerstaff was furious about the way
his team was being the game was being officiated, and
I said, this is that the NBA has got a
lot of young officials. Okay, they've got a crop of
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young officials, and those young officials are giving you know,
there's a knock on it that they're giving a lot
of the veteran stars the whistle. And Detroit's not established
as a winning team. So I can bicker Staff's basically saying,
we don't we don't get the respect whistle at all
in this league. Does he have a little bit of
(12:01):
a point when his biggest star is Kate Cunningham and
they're playing the Brunsons and the Tatums and the Browns
and and.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Your take on that, No, you're absolutely right, and he's right,
and they aren't getting that respect. The officials are human,
and we've that's been the case throughout the decades of
the NBA, and we've always seen the superstars get calls
and teams that establish their identity as physical defensive teams.
Speaker 11 (12:32):
They get a little leniency as well.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
We used to see it with the old Detroit Pistons,
both groups that won championships, Chauncey Billups group, Isaiah Thomas group,
the bad Boys. You see it with OKC over the
past few years. They've established themselves as a physical, defensive team,
so they get a little leniency there.
Speaker 11 (12:53):
And Detroit this is the first year they're doing that.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
And so now as they if they continue to rob
and be a good team and Kay becomes a star
and this is how they play, they'll start to get
that benefit as well.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, I will tell you it's there is something to
be said about there's the dog days of the NBA
and then you're seeing certain guys you know, they take
a little rest break. But it's interesting. The hottest team
in the league now is Minnesota. So now here comes
(13:28):
Ant the rotations down Julius Randall. Should we buy him?
We know the coaching's good, we know they can defend,
we know Ant. What do you make of like in
all of a sudden, Oh, Golden State and Minnesota are
really hot.
Speaker 13 (13:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
Look, I think I said a week ago on here
that my top three teams in the West were Okay,
see the Lakers in Denver as far as coming out,
I'm now liking Golden State better than Denver, but I
still think Denver's gone, you know, be a force to
be reckoned with. And I'll throw Minnesota right there after
those teams. And Denver certainly doesn't want to see Minnesota.
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We know Minnesota beat them last year. Minnesota's athleticism and
length on the perimeter, Jade McDaniels, you know Nikill, Alexander Walker,
obviously Anthony Edwards. They've got long perimeter defenders that can
bother you. Now they figured out how we're gonna use
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Julius Randall. He's gotten more comfortable, so now he's more
efficient than he was earlier in the year and is
accepted his role. Where he's at. It's Anthony Edwards team.
So yeah, they are playing well at the right time.
Like you said, we know they've got good coaching and
on the perimeter, after you get by those long rangey defenders,
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oh now you have to deal with Rudy Gobert at
the rim, not to mention nas Reed flying in here
and there and doing some stuff defensively, So that's where
their bread is buttered on the defensive end, and then
offensively they have the dynamic player in Edwards who can
create against any defense.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So it is I want to talk about the Warriors
here because I said one of the reasons I think
Butler has worked is that despite the fact that the
Warriors have been fun and flashy, they got a lot
of guys who have had tough upbringings been ignored. I mean,
even Steve Kerr had the tragedy in his family. He
was a fighter with Michael Jordan, I covered him. He's
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a tough guy. Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green's second round Steph
Curry had to go to Davidson. People didn't know if
they were going to keep him or Monteellis. Is that
there's a toughness and a resilience and a fight to
Golden State. Now we all know that Jimmy Butler's background,
he's a fighter. But that's why I think KD ultimately
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didn't really fit the culture and Butler does, because that
the Warriors have this sort of heisty feistiness to them
and Butler's a perfect fit. But is he a better fit?
I mean, is this a regular season thing? Or do
you take the Warriors seriously? Right now? It sounds like
you do going forward.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Yeah, yeah, I do take him seriously because, like you, Butler,
and it's interesting you said, is this a regular season thing?
We haven't even seen playoff Jimmy yet. And he does
get better in the playoffs. He's done it essentially every
year of his career since he's become a star level player.
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So he's gonna get better. And I think he fits
perfectly with Draymond, because you're right. I mean, Steph was
obviously doubted. He came from Davidson, Kerr was Kerr was
in a fight with Michael Jordan. I don't know what
he was new as a tough guy, but you know,
I get what you're saying. He had to overcome obstacles
as well. But Draymond has kind of been the hub
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of that team as far as he gives them the
toughness that they have. And now you've got a second
guy in Butler who's just as tough as Raymond. And
so now you got two guys who are pretty tough.
They're obviously not a big team, but heck, there's not
even tall. Teams in the NBA aren't incredibly physical anymore,
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and so I think they're tough enough. And yeah, I
think they're going to be a tough out. I give
them a shot. I like the Lakers in the West.
I've said that Oka See, I just think is young.
Ok See, Golden State would be a tremendous series for
me to watch because I would want to see could
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Golden State, with their experience, overcome the youthful energy and
skill and defense that the thunder play with. But yeah,
I'm giving Golden State a chance in the West.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So, Josh Hart and Tibbs had a moment over the
weekend where you saw them battle back and forth. Now
it's one Phoenix where bootenholez er nos Kadie's gone, but
Tims is battling with a crucial part of that team.
Josh Hart, what did you make of that?
Speaker 11 (18:10):
Well, look, I think I said it on this show, Colin.
Speaker 8 (18:14):
The Knicks if they go out like we all expect
them to, let's face it, in the second round, maybe
even the first round, but in the second round, and
aren't incredibly competitive with Cleveland, who or I should say
Boston is probably who they could end up matching up with,
then I think they need to make a coaching change,
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not because Tims isn't great and hasn't done a very
good job, but they need a new voice.
Speaker 11 (18:40):
The talent is.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
There, Rick Jalen, Brunson, Starr, Karl Anthony, Towns star, Josh hart,
og Ananobia, several other guys really solid role players, and
Tims has gotten a lot out of them.
Speaker 11 (18:55):
But we see this in the league.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
Obviously Steve Kerr took that Golden State eight team to
another level, but we're seeing it now.
Speaker 11 (19:03):
JB.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Bickerstaff is clearly a good coach, did a great job
in Cleveland.
Speaker 11 (19:08):
Now he's doing a great job in Detroit. But Cleveland
just fired.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Him because they needed a new voice. And now Kenny
Atkinson is tremendous with Cleveland and probably will be Coach
of the Year.
Speaker 11 (19:19):
And so I just think if they go out early,
they're going to need a.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
New voice to get to the next level where they
can compete with Boston and Cleveland to try to win
the East.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I'm gonna let you go yet, you have a horse voice.
You're gonna save it for your show. Do you fill
it up? Bracket? I got Auburn winning a Natty. J
Mack will tell us tomorrow who I have Auburn and
Tennessee meeting. I think the SEC stack. Do you have
a team you like in the tournament?
Speaker 8 (19:45):
By the way, I like Duke, assuming Cooper Flag can
be Cooper Flag. Maybe they could sit him out obviously
for the first game, maybe even the second game. But
if he can become, you know, get back to playing
one hundred percent.
Speaker 11 (20:00):
Then I like Duke.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
A lot of people like Florida, which certainly has a chance,
but I'm gonna go with Duke.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, that wouldn't be bad fun to watch. Olds. Hey,
great seeing your brute get healthy, get healthy?
Speaker 11 (20:12):
By all right, all right, thanks.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I know I'm in the minority. Everybody loves Duke. I
just you can't watch the SEC this year and not
have a couple of SEC teams in the tournament in
the final four. You can't. They were so much better
than everybody else.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Listen, it's a long basketball season, you see.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
We're late in the year now, and I'm the little
dinged up Broussard hurting lebron missing a week.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
How are you the oldest of that quartet just plowing through.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Because my daughter's sick too. Because I sat home all
weekend doing homework and watching games and taking notes.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
You weren't throwing plates around at the gym.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Well, I do that too. I use that stuff on
my hands like NonStop. There's a lot of people out
there set I know.
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Speaker 1 (22:17):
Dodgers Cubs coming up. So it's the tournament. We get
all fired up about it. It's two or three things
we know. If Rick Patino gets to the final four,
that'll be great for ratings. Duke has three NBA players.
A lot of people like Duke. Florida's the hottest team.
The SEC was overwhelmingly the best conference. After that, you
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cross your fingers. Suddenly everybody today is taking Uce San
Diego to beat Michigan, and nobody's watched them play. I
got my bracket filled out mostly Chalk, a lot of favorites.
Arizona's my dark horse. Haven't played particularly well, but they've
got a seven photo that's playing well. They got Caleb Love,
really good, good coach, all sorts of athleticism. I watched
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them play Houston, four seed. That's my dark horse. I
think they're gonna win several games. I was talking to
Is earlier about you know, I mean, coaching is so
big in college basketball because there's few transcendent players. Zach
Edy last year was like, You're impossible to stop, guy,
but there's not many of them. And I asked him
if he ever steals stuff from other coaches.
Speaker 11 (23:23):
I'm so dumb. I not only steal it, but I
name it after the team I steal it from.
Speaker 13 (23:29):
So if I got a Zags player, if I got
a seventy six Ers player, a Lakers play, it's because
I stole it from them. So my plays are named
after a lot of people, are a lot of teams,
which means I'm stealing a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Now, Michigan State's classic of what this tournament is filled
with well coached, really excellent defensive teams. Michigan State, Saint John's, Houston,
not a lot of great offensive skill. I was saying
this sort of er when you watch Ohio State win
the Natty or Michigan last year Georgia year before, when
you watched LSU BAM in their prime, you can see
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the NFL. There's no question about it. You can see
the NFL. When you watch college basketball. Yucon's team last year,
you could see the NBA most of the time. It's
a different sport. It's a lot of defense, a lot
of coaching. They slow it down if they get to
eighty points. It's generated a lot of the inertias created
by the defense. But these teams don't shoot particularly well.
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The one conference where that's not true. I thought, you know,
Tennessee can really shoot. I think SEC teams feel like
so much better than everybody else in the country. So
I don't think the Big Ten is going to have
a ton of success. I think the SEC is going
to finish. I think Tennessee, Florida, Auburn. Who knows about
Bama and people are kind of cool on Bama right now.
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But if we're not watching college basketball as much for
the skill as we're watching it for the community of it,
and I think it's absolutely fantastic. Matt Castlebeck stopped by earlier.
We asked him. The Vikings, the Giants, and the Steelers
all want Aaron Rodgers, and I asked Matt Hasselbeck, when
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you're an older quarterback, what matters?
Speaker 15 (25:14):
That's like, that's your biggest nightmare is like going to
a team that's absolutely irrelevant basically what he experienced last year.
So to me, I think being on a team that
has a chance to be in the playoff hunt can
tend for a super Bowl. I think that's a huge thing.
And I'll just to say this as a veteran quarterback
who switched teams late in my career, the last thing
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you want.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
To do is learn a new playbook, like a new language.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
If he goes to some other team or some coach
that the language.
Speaker 15 (25:43):
Is not that language where he's getting in there like
a like a freshman in college trying to like memorize
a brand new thing.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Man.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
At some point you're like, I think I might be
too old for this.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, So I still contend the New York Giants have
a shot. They've offered the most money. There's a story
today that Minnesota has cooled on it. Do you have
a favorite in the clubhouse on this? Minnesota is the
best fit Giants to me, second Steelers, third Giants have
offered the most I think yeah, let me throw this
at you. There was a source told me that the
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Giants said Aaron were interested, but we may bring in
Joe Flacco too, That the Giants just want veteran quarterbacks.
They may draft somebody in the second or third round
or wherever their picks are.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
But that I have a hard time believing Brian Dable
in a winner You're Gone year, is going to stake
his time with the Giants to Aaron Freakin' Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Well what else is there? There's nothing else out there?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I would go Russell Wilson, all right, I mean I
don't think there's higher upside with either of them. Well,
I don't need the drama on top of stinking.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Right well that you're going to get drama with Aaron.
Now with Russ, Well you're gonna get drama with Russ.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
If there wasn't any drama in Pittsburgh with it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Well, they got so bad at the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
How about with the Jets two years of NonStop.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well yeah, yeah, I'm not denying that.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
How at the end with far with Rogers in Green Bay, constant,
like it's always something.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Do you need that headache? You don't even like dealing
with headaches?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Do you no? I I just I don't you know? No,
But I think I think I've always liked Russ, But
I've watched Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, and Tomlin move off him.
So what am I supposed to think there's something there
that people just move off?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
H Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
What about Carson Wentz? Is he still on the market
or somebody grab him like carcass.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I yeah, I don't think. Listen, I think teams like
the Jets and the Giants. I don't think there is
a good answer.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Is easy.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You put yourself in this spot. That's why I'm really interested.
I hear all this talk about Shadeur Sanders dropping in
the first round. I'm like, if you're the New York
Giants and he's available with the third pick, don't you
have to take him? What are your options? I mean,
what do I mean? Remember when Arizona took Josh Rosen
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and a year later took Kyler Murray. Like if you
take Shador Sanders and you're like, I think he can
plan the NFL, and you're like, yeah, I mean by
the second year, you know you you by Thanksgiving? You
make a decision in the building. This isn't gonna work.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
We need to remind people Zach Wilson went second overall
Trey Lance.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
They traded up to get him in the top three,
and people are like, oh, you can't touch Shaduer at two.
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
None of it makes sense. Zach Wilson was never considered
like a topic. I just got excited because he's with
the Jets. I'm like, all right, whatever, Shaduur, there's reason
to be excited. There's a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
No, he's he is.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
How would you rank the prospects Trey Lance, Zach Wilson
in Shoud or Sanders.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well, Shaduur has more games against big teams where he
was productive, so should now it's easy in hindsight. But
we didn't have many games with Trey Lance.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Free Lance like missed like two seasons.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And Zach Wilson I was never a fan of because
it was the COVID stuff, and I saw him play
Utah and not play well in Washington. So against the
good teams he didn't play well. So to me, Schaudure
is really productive with a bad old line and no
run game. So I don't buy into this Shauduur. It's weird.
So I watch mock drafts. It is remarkable to me
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how many people who do what we do for a living,
in fact often just cover the NFL have Shaduur mid first.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
So listen, as a guy who ran a website and
did a lot of mock drafts, you want to see
a way to stand out. Don't put Shador in the
top five or top ten. People will be like what
and they have to click to see what what is
this all about? So then you get the click from
people because every other mock draft has him like top five,
So I got to be different and put them twenty
first or whatever.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
That's the only logical explanation.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
There is no way. And again it's a weak draft left.
I mean Carter for Penn States having a surgery. Travis
Hunter wants to play both ways. So even the guys
that are unquestionably gifted come with something. I gotta play
Travis on both sides. Carter's having surgery. Those are the
guys we love.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Now, Ashton Gent, we you and I were scottling the
Cowboys taking him twelve.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Now it's like bears it in the top.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Now, No, Gent's the best running back. I My only
question is in a running back filled class, can I
get eighty five percent of them in the third round?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I do think gent will be the genty and the
kid from Carolina are the best two backs there. Then
there's a little bit of a drop off. My take
is gonna get Woody marks of USC mid third and
I get eighty five percent of genty. I think that's possible,
but yeah, we'll see it's I I just when I
see Chador dropping, I'm like the New York Giants if
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they get shade or chances are and they're not drafting
in the top five for a long time, I don't know.
I mean, and also neighbors good left tackle.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Offensive coach Table can make a case, Hey, I got
a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
He showed some promise. You got to give you more
time and then him and the GM get extended.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, if I'm a Giant, I take Shador. I just
roll the dice. It's the most important position. We'll see
you tomorrow on Tuesday. Be safe, Live in La The
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Saint John's I really am, you know. One of the
things I watch certain things like I watched the World
Cup because you get the world's best soccer players, and
I watch the NFL because it's the world's best football players.
I don't think I'm getting the world's best basketball players.
I think a G League team could win this tournament,
the NBA Champs European. But there is something about sudden
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death and massive brands and great coaching that March Madness
is wildly fun, wildly fun. I don't think those I
don't think there's any better story than Rick Mattino. They
kind of shuttle back and forth between Madison Square and
their home facilities, and it's just great and it's it's
New York loves its basketball and I can't wait. J
Mack for the.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
News, Turn on the news this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
All right, Colin, let's start with your boy, Kyler Murray. Listen,
we haven't talked about him a lot lately. I don't know.
Arizona's been kind of quiet in free agency, but he's
very excited about year seven with the Cardinals, and in
a recent radio appearance, Kyler believes things are looking up
for Arizona.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That's the frustrating part is I've had success.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
We've had success, and it just it hasn't ended up
in what we want, and that's to win the super
Bowl and be in the playoffs every year and have
a chance at it. You know, I've only been in
the playoffs once, so uh, that in itself is disappointing
to me and frustrating.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So gotta gotta.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Turn that around.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You know, I'm only getting older twenty seven, I'm still young,
so we got time and I know, I know, you know,
I know we're heading the right direction.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
This sounds like kind of grown up, a mature man.
I like what I hear. You know he likes me,
so I'm very positive. Arizona is my wild card team.
I said this last year. I think they're well coached.
I like Kyler They've got some unbelievable offensive weapons. I
never know what to make of them. I don't know
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what I'm getting. You put them outside northern climate like,
I don't know. Yeah, I love watching Arizona play, So
you're the one.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I like Arizona play.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Yah?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
You like losses disappointment.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Maybe I'm being too negative.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I don't see it Colin at best, at best third
in this division.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
They're not betting the Rams.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Short of a Stafford injury, a rock Perty injury, give
me the package.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I would not be shocked at all. If they were
a wild card playoff team, I would not. I mean,
let's be honest. San Francisco lost a lot of talent,
and you don't trust Darnold. If Arizona finished a second
I have, I don't doubt it at all at all.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I don't know that I trust Jonathan Gannon to produce
a herdline segment.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
No, God, I thought they well see anything from this guy. Yet.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I thought they played their butts off considering their personnel.
I thought they played hard.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
What's that one?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I don't know exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I'm not buying it. Sorry, too negative. Let's move on
to a positive story. Oh I love this great find
by our staff. The Pistons. They took a tough loss
last night to the Thunder, but look at that JB.
Bickerstaff was ticked off with the officiating. Things boiled over
when Cad Cunningham, who is a butting star in the NBA,
was ejected for a flagrant foul that was overturned and
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Cunningham received two texts after cussing an official and listen
a Bickerstaff go off in the post game.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Turn up the volume, folks.
Speaker 7 (03:46):
We deserve a level of respect because we're competing our
tails off and bringing something positive to this league.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Right.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
We're growing young players. Our young players are competing their
tail off. The least that they could do is get
the same respect that everybody else in this league gets
and get refereed the same way that everybody else in
this league gets trapped. And enough is enough of it.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
And what you saw tonight was disgusting.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
It was a disgusting display of disrespect towards our guys
and what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, I will say this now, let me defend him.
First of all, Detroit's an amazing story and what He's
basically saying, is all these teams in the East with
the big brands that have been winning for a year,
say Philadelphia, Boston, Cleveland, Knicks, Detroit every game, they're not
giving there a player like Kay Cunningham's a ball er.
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I mean he was good out of college.
Speaker 8 (04:41):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
A lot of this stems from they played Okay Seeds
and your boy SCA.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
You're MDP who I call the free throw merchant, which.
Speaker 9 (04:48):
Is ten times now. I know those Sins as a
team shot thirteen free throw This is an ongoing thing.
Bickerstat's not the first coach to complain about this. I'm
telling you Malone's had some shots. People are saying it
for a long time now.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I know that the Thunder as a team don't all
shoot a lot of free thoats.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
But SGA is refereed differently.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
If you like James Harden.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Back in the day, they change.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
The rules for Harden, member they change I watch Oklahoma
City play when fowls are called against SGA, they look
like fowls to me. I mean, I'm sorry, Karl Malone,
James Harden. Some guys initiate. Austin Reeves is great at
initiating contact. He's very good at it. Some guys are,
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but I but I think what Bigger staff is saying
is we're the best team in the league that nobody
thought would be any good, and because of that, we're
not getting by a very young officiating crew. NBA officials
can are kind of young. They're not giving us the
whistle they're given. They're intimidated by the Boston veterans and
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the Knicks veterans and you know Lebron James. There are
certain teams that are given the whistle with all our
young officials, and they're all the betteran old teams. And
we're a young team here fighting our butt off and
we're not getting a whistle. It's not a terrible argument,
but I think against SGA, I've heard it so many times.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'm over you're over interesting. Well, it's gonna come up
in the playoffs. But I'll just say this about the Pistons.
They are a great story in the NBA. And I
know Shack and company, they don't watch the Pistons. They're
boring all that nonsense. I'm just telling you right now,
the Pistons have more wins hill the Miami Heat. We
talk about them often keep culture Pistons are way better
than this year the Phoenix Suns Dallas Mavericks. We talk
about that the Pistons are better than both those teams
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have way more wins. Well, we need to put some
respect on Kate Cunningham and mister Bickerstaff's seams. They are
good and currently as the sixth seed, they would face
my Nicks the three they're not. That is not a
cakewalk for New York. I'm keeping it real with you,
not a cakewalk. Nick will win the series, but it
will not be easy. Detroit's legit, Colin, I'm not banging
on them. I thought Kay Cunningham, I mean he was
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a good scorer in college.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It was great, I'll admit I was.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I thought Jalen Green would be a better pro then
Kane cunning In and Kane Blackton this year by far
still good.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Good, but well Caid came into the league. The problem,
not the problem, but the reality of the NBA. These
guys come in young. They don't really develop emotional and
iq EQ in the NBA know how to play the
game and manipulate officials until like year three or four.
And he was hurt. But I mean Caid's been Cad
was wasn't even like top three or four pair me.
He was a great number one. He had number one pick,
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so I mean he was alway. He wasn't great in college.
But when you NFL guys coming too the league, they're
twenty three years old. So a lot of these NBA
players they just need three years. I mean, they played
thirty five games of college. Don't they play one hundred
NBA game.
Speaker 10 (07:39):
They're just not ready for you.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
The final story is Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Shoho Tani and the defending champion Dodgers are set to
take on the Cubs in the Tokyo Series tomorrow at
six am Eastern on Fox, So that's three am Pacific.
I'm sure, coward, you will be waking up for that.
Glor your boy, yamamotos. Some of us, some of us
are pivoting board baseball this year as opposed to what Well,
(08:04):
you're just out there all NFL talk.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Keep your on baseball. It's a growth industry.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
They have a lot of Cubs in white sox.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
I got.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I'm excited to watch these games. I can't wait. I
have a friend, the skuy I had nine people going
to these games.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
A gentleman named Shota Imonga will pitch for Chicago.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
A butchered his name badly. I'm embarrassed to say that.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Show hey leadoff hitter, five Japanese.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Stars in this one. Leani, of course it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Mookie Betts has been we'll miss both games due to
an illness. I'm if you couldn't tell, I'm a little
under the weather now, coach my kids in sports all
weekend and I'm battling it, but I'm powering through. Mookie
Bets said, I need to sit out this baseball.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well, yeah, I don't know what the Mooky Bets thing is.
Do they know what the Mookie Bets injury is?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Or that's an illness?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, I read that. Nobody knows quite what it is.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
It's like porzingis, Remember he missed like six games illness.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You know what I think it is. It's that stomach
virus thing.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
You know what, show up, give it, you're all. That's
what I'm here doing. I could have called in sick today.
I barely have a voice, you know, hopped up on
Mike whel I am right now in the day.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Have we spent a little more time doing the homework
and not being pat riley on the sidelines for twelve
year olds.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Hey, we did win the championship, both boys and girls.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I think America celebrated j Meck with the news.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
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Speaker 1 (09:31):
We had tom Izzo on earlier. And I like Michigan State.
I just think if they got behind in games, I
don't know if they can play catch up. They don't
shoot the three. And I asked them all thirty years
coach of Michigan State, what wins in the tournament.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
You could run all the best offense. If the final
shot doesn't go in, it hurts. But I think what
translates defense carries just like it does in all other sports,
whether it's hockey, baseball, basketball, or football. We've been pretty solid.
That's why I think we that a pretty good run.
Speaker 11 (10:02):
But you know, getting to the free throw.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Line I think matters and making shots because in the
in the tournament, you get down to the nitty gritty
and people are following you.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So you got to be able to make free throws.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Which we can do.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, it's gonna be a defensive tournament. Very few teams
can light it up in college basketball. You know. Rick
Beatino has said this about the nil and I think
this is a great life lesson complain all you want
or adapt. You're gonna adapt to the you know the
love stuff. There's stuff that happens in my industry I
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don't love. But I got to sit and watch TikTok.
I mean, there's just too much information on it and
is almost talking about the ever changing landscape of college basketball,
like Jay.
Speaker 12 (10:48):
Wright, like Nick Saban. You know, those guys are friends
of mine. They decided to go another way. I'm too
dumb and stubborn to do it. I guess I just
I just figured that I got to get back to
the basics. Last year, I was on all kinds of committees.
Speaker 11 (11:03):
I worried about it. This year, I kind of stuck
the coach in my team and I've been lucky.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, well they play defense and they they score points,
but it's not necessarily pretty.
Speaker 11 (11:16):
And with that we go this.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
This the next three four weeks of basketball pro in
college is really good. Bruce joining us Chris Bruce are
live from New York, First Show, so we got into
this thing. So coach Bickerstaff was furious about the way
his team was being the game was being officiated, and
I said, this is that the NBA has got a
lot of young officials. Okay, they've got a crop of
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young officials, and those young officials are giving you know,
there's a knock on it that they're giving a lot
of the veteran stars the whistle. And Detroit's not established
as a winning team. So I can bicker Staff's basically saying,
we don't we don't get the respect whistle at all
in this league. Does he have a little bit of
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a point when his biggest star is Kate Cunningham and
they're playing the Brunsons and the Tatums and the Browns
and and.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Your take on that, No, you're absolutely right, and he's right,
and they aren't getting that respect. The officials are human,
and we've that's been the case throughout the decades of
the NBA, and we've always seen the superstars get calls
and teams that establish their identity as physical defensive teams.
Speaker 11 (12:32):
They get a little leniency as well.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
We used to see it with the old Detroit Pistons,
both groups that won championships, Chauncey Billups group, Isaiah Thomas group,
the bad Boys. You see it with OKC over the
past few years. They've established themselves as a physical, defensive team,
so they get a little leniency there.
Speaker 11 (12:53):
And Detroit this is the first year they're doing that.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
And so now as they if they continue to rob
and be a good team and Kay becomes a star
and this is how they play, they'll start to get
that benefit as well.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, I will tell you it's there is something to
be said about there's the dog days of the NBA
and then you're seeing certain guys you know, they take
a little rest break. But it's interesting. The hottest team
in the league now is Minnesota. So now here comes
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Ant the rotations down Julius Randall. Should we buy him?
We know the coaching's good, we know they can defend,
we know Ant. What do you make of like in
all of a sudden, Oh, Golden State and Minnesota are
really hot.
Speaker 13 (13:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
Look, I think I said a week ago on here
that my top three teams in the West were Okay,
see the Lakers in Denver as far as coming out,
I'm now liking Golden State better than Denver, but I
still think Denver's gone, you know, be a force to
be reckoned with. And I'll throw Minnesota right there after
those teams. And Denver certainly doesn't want to see Minnesota.
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We know Minnesota beat them last year. Minnesota's athleticism and
length on the perimeter, Jade McDaniels, you know Nikill, Alexander Walker,
obviously Anthony Edwards. They've got long perimeter defenders that can
bother you. Now they figured out how we're gonna use
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Julius Randall. He's gotten more comfortable, so now he's more
efficient than he was earlier in the year and is
accepted his role. Where he's at. It's Anthony Edwards team.
So yeah, they are playing well at the right time.
Like you said, we know they've got good coaching and
on the perimeter, after you get by those long rangey defenders,
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oh now you have to deal with Rudy Gobert at
the rim, not to mention nas Reed flying in here
and there and doing some stuff defensively, So that's where
their bread is buttered on the defensive end, and then
offensively they have the dynamic player in Edwards who can
create against any defense.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So it is I want to talk about the Warriors
here because I said one of the reasons I think
Butler has worked is that despite the fact that the
Warriors have been fun and flashy, they got a lot
of guys who have had tough upbringings been ignored. I mean,
even Steve Kerr had the tragedy in his family. He
was a fighter with Michael Jordan, I covered him. He's
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a tough guy. Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green's second round Steph
Curry had to go to Davidson. People didn't know if
they were going to keep him or Monteellis. Is that
there's a toughness and a resilience and a fight to
Golden State. Now we all know that Jimmy Butler's background,
he's a fighter. But that's why I think KD ultimately
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didn't really fit the culture and Butler does, because that
the Warriors have this sort of heisty feistiness to them
and Butler's a perfect fit. But is he a better fit?
I mean, is this a regular season thing? Or do
you take the Warriors seriously? Right now? It sounds like
you do going forward.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Yeah, yeah, I do take him seriously because, like you, Butler,
and it's interesting you said, is this a regular season thing?
We haven't even seen playoff Jimmy yet. And he does
get better in the playoffs. He's done it essentially every
year of his career since he's become a star level player.
(16:34):
So he's gonna get better. And I think he fits
perfectly with Draymond, because you're right. I mean, Steph was
obviously doubted. He came from Davidson, Kerr was Kerr was
in a fight with Michael Jordan. I don't know what
he was new as a tough guy, but you know,
I get what you're saying. He had to overcome obstacles
as well. But Draymond has kind of been the hub
(16:58):
of that team as far as he gives them the
toughness that they have. And now you've got a second
guy in Butler who's just as tough as Raymond. And
so now you got two guys who are pretty tough.
They're obviously not a big team, but heck, there's not
even tall. Teams in the NBA aren't incredibly physical anymore,
(17:19):
and so I think they're tough enough. And yeah, I
think they're going to be a tough out. I give
them a shot. I like the Lakers in the West.
I've said that Oka See, I just think is young.
Ok See, Golden State would be a tremendous series for
me to watch because I would want to see could
(17:41):
Golden State, with their experience, overcome the youthful energy and
skill and defense that the thunder play with. But yeah,
I'm giving Golden State a chance in the West.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So, Josh Hart and Tibbs had a moment over the
weekend where you saw them battle back and forth. Now
it's one Phoenix where bootenholez er nos Kadie's gone, but
Tims is battling with a crucial part of that team.
Josh Hart, what did you make of that?
Speaker 11 (18:10):
Well, look, I think I said it on this show, Colin.
Speaker 8 (18:14):
The Knicks if they go out like we all expect
them to, let's face it, in the second round, maybe
even the first round, but in the second round, and
aren't incredibly competitive with Cleveland, who or I should say
Boston is probably who they could end up matching up with,
then I think they need to make a coaching change,
(18:34):
not because Tims isn't great and hasn't done a very
good job, but they need a new voice.
Speaker 11 (18:40):
The talent is.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
There, Rick Jalen, Brunson, Starr, Karl Anthony, Towns star, Josh hart,
og Ananobia, several other guys really solid role players, and
Tims has gotten a lot out of them.
Speaker 11 (18:55):
But we see this in the league.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
Obviously Steve Kerr took that Golden State eight team to
another level, but we're seeing it now.
Speaker 11 (19:03):
JB.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Bickerstaff is clearly a good coach, did a great job
in Cleveland.
Speaker 11 (19:08):
Now he's doing a great job in Detroit. But Cleveland
just fired.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Him because they needed a new voice. And now Kenny
Atkinson is tremendous with Cleveland and probably will be Coach
of the Year.
Speaker 11 (19:19):
And so I just think if they go out early,
they're going to need a.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
New voice to get to the next level where they
can compete with Boston and Cleveland to try to win
the East.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I'm gonna let you go yet, you have a horse voice.
You're gonna save it for your show. Do you fill
it up? Bracket? I got Auburn winning a Natty. J
Mack will tell us tomorrow who I have Auburn and
Tennessee meeting. I think the SEC stack. Do you have
a team you like in the tournament?
Speaker 8 (19:45):
By the way, I like Duke, assuming Cooper Flag can
be Cooper Flag. Maybe they could sit him out obviously
for the first game, maybe even the second game. But
if he can become, you know, get back to playing
one hundred percent.
Speaker 11 (20:00):
Then I like Duke.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
A lot of people like Florida, which certainly has a chance,
but I'm gonna go with Duke.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, that wouldn't be bad fun to watch. Olds. Hey,
great seeing your brute get healthy, get healthy?
Speaker 11 (20:12):
By all right, all right, thanks.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I know I'm in the minority. Everybody loves Duke. I
just you can't watch the SEC this year and not
have a couple of SEC teams in the tournament in
the final four. You can't. They were so much better
than everybody else.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Listen, it's a long basketball season, you see.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
We're late in the year now, and I'm the little
dinged up Broussard hurting lebron missing a week.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
How are you the oldest of that quartet just plowing through.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Because my daughter's sick too. Because I sat home all
weekend doing homework and watching games and taking notes.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
You weren't throwing plates around at the gym.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Well, I do that too. I use that stuff on
my hands like NonStop. There's a lot of people out
there set I know.
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Speaker 1 (22:17):
Dodgers Cubs coming up. So it's the tournament. We get
all fired up about it. It's two or three things
we know. If Rick Patino gets to the final four,
that'll be great for ratings. Duke has three NBA players.
A lot of people like Duke. Florida's the hottest team.
The SEC was overwhelmingly the best conference. After that, you
(22:40):
cross your fingers. Suddenly everybody today is taking Uce San
Diego to beat Michigan, and nobody's watched them play. I
got my bracket filled out mostly Chalk, a lot of favorites.
Arizona's my dark horse. Haven't played particularly well, but they've
got a seven photo that's playing well. They got Caleb Love,
really good, good coach, all sorts of athleticism. I watched
(23:02):
them play Houston, four seed. That's my dark horse. I
think they're gonna win several games. I was talking to
Is earlier about you know, I mean, coaching is so
big in college basketball because there's few transcendent players. Zach
Edy last year was like, You're impossible to stop, guy,
but there's not many of them. And I asked him
if he ever steals stuff from other coaches.
Speaker 11 (23:23):
I'm so dumb. I not only steal it, but I
name it after the team I steal it from.
Speaker 13 (23:29):
So if I got a Zags player, if I got
a seventy six Ers player, a Lakers play, it's because
I stole it from them. So my plays are named
after a lot of people, are a lot of teams,
which means I'm stealing a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Now, Michigan State's classic of what this tournament is filled
with well coached, really excellent defensive teams. Michigan State, Saint John's, Houston,
not a lot of great offensive skill. I was saying
this sort of er when you watch Ohio State win
the Natty or Michigan last year Georgia year before, when
you watched LSU BAM in their prime, you can see
(24:08):
the NFL. There's no question about it. You can see
the NFL. When you watch college basketball. Yucon's team last year,
you could see the NBA most of the time. It's
a different sport. It's a lot of defense, a lot
of coaching. They slow it down if they get to
eighty points. It's generated a lot of the inertias created
by the defense. But these teams don't shoot particularly well.
(24:28):
The one conference where that's not true. I thought, you know,
Tennessee can really shoot. I think SEC teams feel like
so much better than everybody else in the country. So
I don't think the Big Ten is going to have
a ton of success. I think the SEC is going
to finish. I think Tennessee, Florida, Auburn. Who knows about
Bama and people are kind of cool on Bama right now.
(24:49):
But if we're not watching college basketball as much for
the skill as we're watching it for the community of it,
and I think it's absolutely fantastic. Matt Castlebeck stopped by earlier.
We asked him. The Vikings, the Giants, and the Steelers
all want Aaron Rodgers, and I asked Matt Hasselbeck, when
(25:10):
you're an older quarterback, what matters?
Speaker 15 (25:14):
That's like, that's your biggest nightmare is like going to
a team that's absolutely irrelevant basically what he experienced last year.
So to me, I think being on a team that
has a chance to be in the playoff hunt can
tend for a super Bowl. I think that's a huge thing.
And I'll just to say this as a veteran quarterback
who switched teams late in my career, the last thing
(25:35):
you want.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
To do is learn a new playbook, like a new language.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
If he goes to some other team or some coach
that the language.
Speaker 15 (25:43):
Is not that language where he's getting in there like
a like a freshman in college trying to like memorize
a brand new thing.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Man.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
At some point you're like, I think I might be
too old for this.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, So I still contend the New York Giants have
a shot. They've offered the most money. There's a story
today that Minnesota has cooled on it. Do you have
a favorite in the clubhouse on this? Minnesota is the
best fit Giants to me, second Steelers, third Giants have
offered the most I think yeah, let me throw this
at you. There was a source told me that the
(26:14):
Giants said Aaron were interested, but we may bring in
Joe Flacco too, That the Giants just want veteran quarterbacks.
They may draft somebody in the second or third round
or wherever their picks are.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
But that I have a hard time believing Brian Dable
in a winner You're Gone year, is going to stake
his time with the Giants to Aaron Freakin' Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Well what else is there? There's nothing else out there?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I would go Russell Wilson, all right, I mean I
don't think there's higher upside with either of them. Well,
I don't need the drama on top of stinking.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Right well that you're going to get drama with Aaron.
Now with Russ, Well you're gonna get drama with Russ.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
If there wasn't any drama in Pittsburgh with it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Well, they got so bad at the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
How about with the Jets two years of NonStop.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well yeah, yeah, I'm not denying that.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
How at the end with far with Rogers in Green Bay, constant,
like it's always something.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Do you need that headache? You don't even like dealing
with headaches?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Do you no? I I just I don't you know? No,
But I think I think I've always liked Russ, But
I've watched Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, and Tomlin move off him.
So what am I supposed to think there's something there
that people just move off?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
H Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
What about Carson Wentz? Is he still on the market
or somebody grab him like carcass.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I yeah, I don't think. Listen, I think teams like
the Jets and the Giants. I don't think there is
a good answer.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Is easy.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You put yourself in this spot. That's why I'm really interested.
I hear all this talk about Shadeur Sanders dropping in
the first round. I'm like, if you're the New York
Giants and he's available with the third pick, don't you
have to take him? What are your options? I mean,
what do I mean? Remember when Arizona took Josh Rosen
(28:08):
and a year later took Kyler Murray. Like if you
take Shador Sanders and you're like, I think he can
plan the NFL, and you're like, yeah, I mean by
the second year, you know you you by Thanksgiving? You
make a decision in the building. This isn't gonna work.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
We need to remind people Zach Wilson went second overall
Trey Lance.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
They traded up to get him in the top three,
and people are like, oh, you can't touch Shaduer at two.
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
None of it makes sense. Zach Wilson was never considered
like a topic. I just got excited because he's with
the Jets. I'm like, all right, whatever, Shaduur, there's reason
to be excited. There's a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
No, he's he is.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
How would you rank the prospects Trey Lance, Zach Wilson
in Shoud or Sanders.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well, Shaduur has more games against big teams where he
was productive, so should now it's easy in hindsight. But
we didn't have many games with Trey Lance.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Free Lance like missed like two seasons.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And Zach Wilson I was never a fan of because
it was the COVID stuff, and I saw him play
Utah and not play well in Washington. So against the
good teams he didn't play well. So to me, Schaudure
is really productive with a bad old line and no
run game. So I don't buy into this Shauduur. It's weird.
So I watch mock drafts. It is remarkable to me
(29:27):
how many people who do what we do for a living,
in fact often just cover the NFL have Shaduur mid first.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
So listen, as a guy who ran a website and
did a lot of mock drafts, you want to see
a way to stand out. Don't put Shador in the
top five or top ten. People will be like what
and they have to click to see what what is
this all about? So then you get the click from
people because every other mock draft has him like top five,
So I got to be different and put them twenty
first or whatever.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
That's the only logical explanation.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
There is no way. And again it's a weak draft left.
I mean Carter for Penn States having a surgery. Travis
Hunter wants to play both ways. So even the guys
that are unquestionably gifted come with something. I gotta play
Travis on both sides. Carter's having surgery. Those are the
guys we love.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Now, Ashton Gent, we you and I were scottling the
Cowboys taking him twelve.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Now it's like bears it in the top.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Now, No, Gent's the best running back. I My only
question is in a running back filled class, can I
get eighty five percent of them in the third round?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I do think gent will be the genty and the
kid from Carolina are the best two backs there. Then
there's a little bit of a drop off. My take
is gonna get Woody marks of USC mid third and
I get eighty five percent of genty. I think that's possible,
but yeah, we'll see it's I I just when I
see Chador dropping, I'm like the New York Giants if
(30:53):
they get shade or chances are and they're not drafting
in the top five for a long time, I don't know.
I mean, and also neighbors good left tackle.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Offensive coach Table can make a case, Hey, I got
a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
He showed some promise. You got to give you more
time and then him and the GM get extended.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, if I'm a Giant, I take Shador. I just
roll the dice. It's the most important position. We'll see
you tomorrow on Tuesday. Be safe, Live in La The
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