March 18, 2025 • 39 mins
After the Dodgers officially started the 2025 season with a win over the Cubs in Japan, Colin believes Shohei Ohtani is having a Tiger Woods-like effect on Major League Baseball. He also shares his first Herd Hierarchy ranking the top 10 rosters in the NFL after free agency. Plus, 2-time Super Bowl champion Kyle Van Noy joins the show in studio to talk about the various free agent signings around the league and playing with Lamar Jackson
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Here we go on a Tuesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd wherever you may be, and however you
may be listening or watching. And I was watching at
three forty five in the morning. Fox Sports. You got it, baby, Jmax.
That's why don't go out partying. You go to bed
early so you can watch Dodger Baseball MLB ACCIDENTT three.
(00:51):
It started at three. I missed the first forty minutes,
but I was locked in after that. Jmatt, I see
you got a haircut for the start of the baseball season.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Start with baseball?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Are you kidding me? That's it? By the way, did
Otani Holmer, You had a couple of hits and a
couple of runs. The Dodgers are really good. Okay, let's
just start with this. The Dodgers beat the Cubs. They're
obviously not going to go one sixty to two to zero,
but one fifty nine and three is on the table.
This is a really good team. The minute the Cubs
went to the bullpen. Now it's not gonna work. No
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Mookie Bets, no Freddie Freeman, late scratch, no problem. But
watching a Dodger game with Otani reminds me of when
Tiger started taking over golf, and whenever there was a
lull in the action, the director would just say, all right,
let's just put it on Tiger, and even walking up
the fairway, it was okay to watch him for ninety
seconds every fairway. You were watching history. And that's what
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it feels like with Otani, unfazed, always smiling game in Tokyo.
A little bit of nerves nah infects this personality. So
he's already got a world series title, he's already got
three MVPs in the bag, and unlike the Angels, he's
on a stack team, so you can't pitch around him.
And he's leading off, which will force yes people in
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Los Angeles to show up to Dodger games.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Early.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yabamoto, the starter got the w for the Dodgers. But
he's now an all time roster you can't pitch around him.
And it's just there's a magnetism transformational. And again they
didn't have Molky or Freddie Freeman. This is going to
be a tough team to face because if you go
to your bullpen and it's not buttoned up, you're talking
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about five potential batters that could be Hall of famers
and Otani at bats. And this is what's great for
baseball is that. And we've said this. You know, I
grew up at a different time when there were the
faces of baseball. It could be Johnny Bench, you know,
for a time, you know, it could be Mark Fidrich,
it could be a quirky personality. Baseball's been dying for
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a face of the sport. Now Aaron Judge is a
big deal. But baseball's more regional than national, So you
may just be like the face of the league, Hudson
river East if you're Aaron Judge. But I do feel
like we talk about the NBA is always saying, well,
you need a face of the league that can't be
an international player. The minute O Tawny parked his car
at Dodger Stadium. He was the face of major League Baseball, Pacific, rim,
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Los Angeles and beyond. Never forget last year Dodgers go
to Yankee Stadium, all those blue hats they leave major
League Baseball in road attendance and being the face of
a sport is something you cannot campaign for, right It's
a little bit like a nickname. You can't give it
to yourself. It's got to come naturally. And I'm thinking,
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oh boy, he's gonna be nervous in this series. This
is gonna be a lot for him. It wasn't infectious, unfazed, olways, smiling,
couple hits, a couple runs, Dodgers want to know, got
good starting pitching, and here's the skipper after.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I don't think I've ever seen Showhay nervous. You know,
one thing I did notice is how emotional he got
during the Japanese national anthem. That was really something that
was very telling, how emotional he was. I thought it
was a good baseball game. I thought offensively, we control
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the strike zone, took our watch walks, got some timely hits,
played good defense.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, but it really is. We've talked about this a
lot about does the NBA have a face of the league,
and I felt forever when I watched Michael Jordan. Jordan
was good looking, he was the best dressed. There were
the ear rings, there was the smile, he had a gate.
The way he walked. Michael walked cool, like he didn't
have to ask for it. Like Michael walked into the room.
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He was the alpha. And it didn't matter if Barkley,
Magic and Bird were in the room. Michael was the
alpha around all these great Dodger players. I mean it's
just Otani is different. I mean it, language barriers irrelevant,
doesn't matter at all. The look, the sigh so much
bigger in person, and even around Major League Baseball players,
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you can see it. It's totally infectious. Dodgers want to know,
gonna be a lot of doubles for this team. They
play again tomorrow and they will be on FS one. Actually,
so what about to say about Lebron is not necessarily
a criticism. It's actually part of sort of his legacy.
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To me, Lebron's very calculated with everything his social media posts.
So Lebron, remember they faced Boston and they played a
good game and for the first half, then then the
second half, they kind of struggled and Lebron had like
a growing tweak and Lebron's like, see you guys, I'm
gonna head back to La I'll see you guys in
three weeks. Very calculated. So last night I watched the
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Warriors against the Nuggets, and the Nuggets didn't have Yoki,
and the Nuggets didn't have Jamal Murray, and the Nuggets
completely controlled the game and they led the whole game
at one point fifteen, and there was no Jokic and
no Jabal Murray. And my take watching is Steph Curry
looks really tired. And this is where the Lakers have
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an advantage over the Warriors. So if Lebron's out, Luca
and Austin Reeves are both play initiators, they can both
drop thirty points. You would not be shocked Austin's on
a heater right now. If Steph takes a night off,
I mean, the oxygen offensively for the Warriors leaves the room.
I love Draymond, I love Jimmy Butler. They're not offensive
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dynamic machines. That's not what they are. What Jimmy Butler
adds is all these intangibles and toughness, in physicality and urgency.
And Draymond is a catalyst, and he's a rebounder and
a defender. But if Steph's not on the floor, and
he was last night, you take him off the floor.
I said this before the Jimmy Butler moved. The Warriors
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were boring without Steph on the floor. They've got good players,
but kaminga by himself, Jimmy by himself. I mean, you
watch Jimmy Butler in Miami just didn't matter. So Lebron
is a forty year old and he understands the value
of a nap. So he gets a groin tweak, walks
off the floor, and he heads to LA. He gets
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treatment every day, you know what I mean. He gets rest,
He watches a sudden play high school basketball, He gets
a mental reset, a physical reboot. That has always been
the value of Lebron. The way Lebron looks at basketball
is how can the player I'm gonna play with Chris
bosh could be j R. Smith, Kyrie Irving, It could
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be a D. Luca Austin Reeves. How do they make
the game a little easier for me? So as I age,
I have these brief six minute moments where I can
take over the game, and that's calculated. And that's okay
because he still remains one of the top six or
seven players in the league. On any night he's the
second or third best player. Some nights he's the best.
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Certainly some halves in quarters he is. But the Warriors
are different when Steph sit And it's if you start
looking at the Warriors schedule now, they're going on a
six game road trip and they are this is a
tired team. And Steve Kerr talked about it after the
lost of Denver.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
He's been caring us for for a month. He's been amazing.
He's tired. So we got to get him. We've got
to get him some rest. I just you can see it.
He doesn't have his his energy right now. But he's
exhausted right now. So we've got to We've got to
absolutely consider giving him a night and getting him rejuvenated
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for the sake of.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Him and are you know, the remainder of our games.
But we'll see.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It's not that Lebron isn't valuable, but this roster now
between the size of a Rouie and a Jackson Hayes
and the offensive initiation of Austin Reeves. Yes, he can
do it, and Luca Lebron can sit out. Now the
team's not as good. Obviously, they don't communicate as well
when Lebron is out. They're not as smart when Lebron's out.
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He's one of the smartest, greatest communicators along with Magic
Johnson I've ever seen play basketball. But they can score
points without Lebron. They can get into the one twenties
Golden State. Look at that six game schedule, Roady coming up.
I don't know where their offense is. It's it's not
And by the way, I like Kaminga, but you can't.
It's inconsistent. Love Butler, but he's not a huge scorer,
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a great shooter. It's not easy for him. Offense is
work for Jimmy Butler. So they got a challenge on
their hands because Steph looked tired. No Yokich, no Jamal Murray,
and they just had no fight and no energy. As
I'm sitting there watching and thinking, Okay, they'll go on
a spurt, they got no spurt in them.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
They didn't have it. So j mac Adam.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Wainwright stops by Kyle Van Nuyan Studio. Nick Wright tomorrow.
I hope you get up early tomorrow with the kids,
have breakfast, watch a little MLB action.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
I gotta get up early Thursday and Friday for the tournament,
so it's goo it'd be tough for me to pull
a three a m.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Wake up to watch baseball.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I did three forty the first couple innings.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
I forced at fourth inning at that point because now
they're speeding.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Against no baseball flies by Yeah yeah, yeah, so, but
the first thirty minutes a bit blurry. I didn't watch
the first inning and a half was a little you know,
was that.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
After like three pints last night celebrating Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, that's not how I roll. Oh really, not with
ensuing MLB action. I'm not out there.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
Just partying, like dropping big vocabulary words here early.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Hey.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
By the way, so uh, your Warriors interesting? They beat
up on a bunch of tomato cans and you were
gassing them up like they're going to the finals and
now they face a yokichless Nuggets and lose. You should
have been watching Austin Reeve's cook last night.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Oh my gosh, how good was Austin reed He was good?
He was good.
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Speaker 1 (10:56):
All right, so before I get to Nick, Right, So,
PFF came out today with the uh they ranked all
the rosters one to thirty two. I'm not going to
do that, but I did take free agency and free
agency losses. I considered everything. So we have our coaching
moves all set, we have free agency outside of Aaron Rodgers. Again,
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I think he maybe adds a win to wherever he goes,
maybe two wins. But I don't think he's changing. He's
not changing divisions, forget about changing the sport. I just
don't think he is. It's done a shot on him.
I think Russell Wilson again could be worth a win
to a team that didn't have a right quarterback. But
I will tell you what I think based on free
agency gains and losses and kind of what teams are
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going through right now, where we stand with the top ten,
I would put Green Bay at ten. They remained the
young ten, the youngest offense in the NFL, the youngest roster,
a overpaid for Aaron Banks, at guard, but it was
a position of need. And again, when you have a
young quarterback, you've got to protect him. Now, Jordan Love
did not play well in the last month of the season,
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and that is a concern. Plus, Chicago's better, Minnesota could
be really good. The division is very good offensively. I
have Green Bay at ten. Number nine, Denver's going to improve.
How good was Bo Nicks as a rookie? Well, how
good do you think he's going to be year two
with Sean Payton. They got Evan Ingram with Sean Payton
calls their joker position. Like Deebo, he can do multiple things.
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They spent more money on free agency than any playoff team.
And again, bow Knicks an entire off season with Sean Payton.
So getting Drake Greenlaw and Hufunga those are big, instinctive
smart guys who will upgrade the defense. Everybody in the
AFC West, including the Raiders, that division is getting really good,
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really fast. Number eight the Commanders. Their O line last
year was ten. Now they added Laramie Tunzel, a top
three pass blocker. Deebo Samuel is one of the great
moves of free agency, the classic chess piece. This is
a team that could get four to five starters out
of the draft got two absolute starters in free agency,
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and again, Jaden Daniels as a rookie was amazing. Another
offseason to learn Cliff's offense. I have him at eight.
Number seven, really worry about Kansas City. Joe Tooney is
one of the more valuable offensive lineman in the league.
Left and they didn't want him to leave. They couldn't
afford him. They don't have a left tackle. They paid
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a lot for Jalen Moore, who's never been a starter,
and there's pass rushers all over that division. By the way,
they're not going to go eleven to zero in one
score games. Raiders are better, Broncos will be better, the
Chargers will be better. Listen, it never lasts forever. I
think it's going to be a slight pullback here. I
still have him as a playoff team. You're not going
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eleven to zero in one score games. The division now
is simply too good. Number six the Chargers. I think
Najie Harris only player in the league four straight thousand
yard seasons behind a bad Steeler O line, tone deaf
culture offensively, Now he goes to Harbaugh by the way
Harbaugh's second year with the Niners got to the Super Bowl.
So think of what Jim Harbaugh turned around in one
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off season the worst defense to statistically a top two defense.
Now you get another seven to eight draft picks from
a coach who just left college football Nauseie Harris. Joe
alt second year as a starting tackle. I think, like Denver,
the Chargers make a big jump. I have him at six,
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number five. I worry about the Lions. I like DJ
Reid because our pass defense has been lousy for years.
I like that pickup. They lost both coordinators and they're
not going to be as clever without Ben Johnson. They're
just not We saw Philadelphia lose both coordinators a couple
of years ago and they plummeted. I also think the
whole raw raw thing. I think it works early as
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you're building a culture, but now the culture, the raw
raw stuff wears down. Are you as good schematically? Because
the NFC is getting better fast. I have the lines
at five number four. Listen, they got an extension for
Josh Allen. I also think Joey Bosa and receiver Josh
Palmer are upgrades. The extension, by the way, is fairly
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team friendly to allow for some flexibility. I thought for
much of the year last year they were the best team,
and I think they've upgraded. I think Joey Bosa is
a better version of von Miller, who was expensive and
hurt a lot and became kind of a pass rusher only.
I have Buffalo at four, number three. Ravens rosters ranked
number one by PFF. They got Lonnie Stanley and again
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that number one offense last year. I don't see it regressing.
This list is not about who's going to win the
Super Bowl. It is how do I value your roster
and your team right now, based on free agency gains
and losses and extensions to your best player. I have
the Ravens at three, number two. I let the Rams
crushed poona four defensive line that was an area of
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need and Devonte Adams and retain Matt Stafford, and their
defense Thanksgiving on was arguably the best in the league.
Go ask Sam Darnold sack nine times. So this defense
is just getting better every month because they're so young
and inexpensive. I put the Rams at too. Go back
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to that game in the snow in Philly. They're down
to the fifteen yard line with a chance to go
with two turnovers with a chance to go in for
the win. Surreal team head in the right direction. Number one. Listen,
they didn't over pay for Milton Williams. They had some
free agent losses, but they have drafted so well. Philadelphia's
number one. Again. They are smart enough to know who
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to pay for and who to let go. And I
thought all their moves made sense to me. Zach Pawn
bringing him back the linebacker surprised me a little at
that price point, but again, I'm gonna give Philadelphia the
benefit here. It remains the deepest roster with the most dexterity.
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Speaker 1 (18:01):
That's Cavino and Rich. He has been in the NFL
five different teams, and yet he's productive with all of them.
A Kyle van Noy eleven years, a two time Super
Bowl champ, both of the Patriots. So this is interesting.
Let's start with this. Do you watch Kyle? Do you
watch Free Agency?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I mean, the first thing I'm going to say is yes,
because we saw Jamar Chase and t Higgins what they
just got right, they're in our division.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We have to watch that.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
I mean, that's amazing that they got those deals done
up there, and at the amount that they did. They
went all in on offense, so it was pretty crazy
for a team.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
To do it. But I'm happy for him.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
I got to spend some time with Jamar Chase at
the Pro Bowl and Joe Burrow, two very extraordinary young
men in this game that are just going to grow
even more. Just two really good dudes at what they
do with their craft. And so I'm happy for him
to get their money, but not happy when we have
to play twice a year.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, it's interesting because I talked to you a year ago,
I think it was before you signed with the Ravens.
You ended up twelve and a half sacks, major first
Pro Bowl, let's go. So it's interesting. That's not the
way it usually works. We get older. Yeah, yet you
So I'm going to say some of this obviously a
lot to you, but some of it had to be fit?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, was it? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I think a little bit it is about fit, but
I also more think it's about mindset. My mindset's different.
I believe that every day when I wake up, it's different.
It's kind of our family model with my wife and
I were just built different, and that's the attitude that
I brought into that building. I felt that I was
a little disrespected by not getting any offers during that offseason.
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I feel like I perform at a high level my
entire career and then for nobody want to come after me.
I was like, man, just because I'm I turned over thirty,
You're gonna say, oh, he's old, now he's lost. But
then when I got on the foot ball field, it
was the right fit. Chuck Smith, coach Harbaugh really really
just kind of let me do my thing, really put
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that leadership role on me, and I was able to
not think with Mike Mack and now I don't have
to think with Zachary Orr. They do a really good
job that put me in positions to succeed, and I've
really taken off. I play with a bunch of really
good players like Rokwan Smith, Kyle Hamilton, Nomdi, Matt A
bk and then Adafeoway and we just do our thing
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together and I'm really grateful to be with the group,
the core group that they have is something I haven't
been around in the league, to be honest, and they're special.
Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, Tyler Lindenbaum.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Did you know special? Did you know in camp when
you guys acquired Dereck Henry? Could you tell in camp, Oh,
this is gonna be a load.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I don't know if I want to say that, Colin,
but I thought they were going to be really good.
I thought the way that they they were operating, the
way that the offensive coordinator was calling plays during fall camp,
you knew it was going.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
To be a work in progress. Right.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
We saw the first game where people were a little
unhappy against Kansas City at the time, but then it
took off from there and we really relied on both
of them. And one thing I'll say about that duo
is it was the first time I believe that they
both played with superstars and they elevated each other because
they knew they didn't have to do everything, but at
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the same time, when it was their time to shine,
they took it up another level. And so that's something
that I watched during the season. It was awesome. The
leadership that Derrick Henry brings, the attitude he brings, is exceptional.
It exudes through the entire building. Everybody you know likes
to be around those two. And Lamar Jackson is the
best teammate. He hangs out with everybody, He knows everybody's name.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
He's a joy to be in the locker room.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
We know you talk very highly of him, and I'm
sure he appreciates that.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
You're one of the big cheerleaders in the media.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Even though he's had, you know, his downs in the playoffs,
But I think that's part of his journey. I think
that's part of the struggle that he's had just a
little bit. I also think it's gonna propel him and
the Lamar Jackson that I know that I see every day.
It's gonna feel him and get him better and better
and better. We haven't even seen. We've seen just a
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little bit. I think he's got a whole other level
to go.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, I've said this, there's a lot of quarterbacks in
the league. There's not a single quarterback that defines the
city and the team like Lamar. Like I love Mahomes,
but that's as much Andy Reid as anybody.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, you couldn't make that argument.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, yeah I would. And by the way I love
Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. I honestly feel if I
would have picked a culture and a city for Lamar
Jackson to plan, it would have been always overlooked, often disrespected, tough,
gritty Baltimore. Yeah, it's just it's weird. It's like he
and you played with, You played with great quarterbacks. That
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the fact that he knows everybody's name, that's kind of
a Brady thing.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I mean Tom was the first person that I met
when I got traded to New England.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Came up to me.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
He shook my hand and said, my name's Tom Brady,
and I wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Like, you idiot, I know who you are. Tom's great.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
He's a great teammate of yours now at Fox, doing
a great job speaking at games. I do think Lamar
has that. I also think he has a different aura
as well because of the play he has. He has
that highlight real play, so it's a different you know
he does Madden plays Tom you know, he's the pocket passer,
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you know, rhythm passer, does everything great mentally all that.
Lamar can just show up and play, and that's different.
Nobody can do that. Only he can do that, and
it's so impressive to watch. There are two complete different players.
I'm so grateful that I got to play with both
of them because Tommy Boy gave me two rings. So
I'm forever grateful to Big Bro.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
So it's funny. So I just love the Ravens so much.
Funny story that, and I never I don't like calling
teams for free tickets. Yeah, not my thing. I don't
want to owe anybody anything. I got that from my mom.
So I called the Ravens and my daughter was in
Baltimore and I said, so I called the Ravens. I said,
I'll pay for him. I don't like asking for tickets.
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They're like, it's fine, and they sat my daughter right
next to Joe Burrow's parents. Thank God, I'd been nice
to grow Burrow. But it's such a class organization. What
is it about Harbaugh? The secret sauce Like he's kind
of a man's man. Like when I look at John,
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it's always like, if you do your job, he will
treat you. He just expects you to be a pro.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yep, you know, I want to start where you just
went with the organization. Mister Bushati, amazing owner one of
the best I've been aroun around top down, loves football,
wants the team to win, but he pours money into
the organization. He gives everybody you know that a one treatment.
It doesn't matter who you are in the building. He
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does in a phenomenal job. So I do have to
commend him for that, and I'm glad you had a
great experience with him. But it starts with him and
then with John Harbaugh. I just believe for him, what
separates him as his relationships to players. He truly cares
about what you think and how you see things, and
he literally goes up to anybody and will ask, and
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he takes tidbits from everybody and he puts it into
his program. He doesn't just focus on, you know, his
way or the high way. He adjusts. That's why he's
lasted so long. It's an adapter die mentality. If you
stay the same for so long, you're not gonna improve,
You're not gonna get better, You're not going to keep
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this excellence.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
That's what I see.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
The difference between him is that mentality to always get
better each and every year, and the trust that he
has with his players and the relationship. He's a relationship guy.
He's a tough guy. He likes to get after it
in the weight room himself. Every single day at five o'clock,
he's in that weight room and that's the kind of
attitude he has without the same day, and he has
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that standard for everybody, that standard of excellence.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You know, we're going into an NFL draft. And one
of the things about football, Matt Slater's a guy you
played with the New England. Yeah, like nineteen years or
something in the NFL. So much of what you bring
when I listen to you talk is about professionalism. Okay,
And if you could sit down with young football players
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and just say listen, I'm going to give you two
things about pro football. Okay. You didn't go to a
football factory though. BYU is a great school. It's a
really good program, and they've done a great job through
the years of getting players ready for pro football. And
again a school that has a we.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Got good ones, Pookah, we got Fred Warner.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Oh I know, no, No, it's always delivered NFL quality guys,
good program. What would you tell a young guy, I'm
a linebacker, I'm from Texas A and m a's four star.
What would be the two things you'd say, Okay, young man,
here's the difference with pro football.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Oh man, listen, you don't know everything. And two, put
your head down and work and I'm i mean work
smart and hard. Those are the two things I would say.
I would say, listen, tell your ogs, listen to what's
happening around, scope it out, and work hard. Put your
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head down and work and work smartly. And you put
those two together, I think you'd be really successful. I
think too many guys come in with the mindset they
know it all, which some of them do know a lot.
But I think there's some players that have played a
really long time. There's coaches that I've coached a really
long time. So you should listen. You should listen to
the players. You should see how professional players. This guy works,
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this guy, how he handles his business. And then the
smart work of you've already put in the work to
get here, continue to do that, but add stuff to that.
That's where that smart comes in. Add this to your game. Okay,
that guy's doing a little extra work, I'm gonna put
that into my game. That guy's on the jugs a
little bit more, I'm gonna put that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That in my game.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Something that Julian Edelman did was he paid a equipment
guy at our facility in New England, and he would
pay him every year to shoot extra jugs at him
and he would catch so many balls each.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And every day.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
I know Zay Flowers does the same thing in Baltimore.
So there's different nuggets that you can see if you
just watch. Something I picked up when I was a
professional as a rookie was Calvin Johnson, an amazing superstar receiver.
He did conditioning in the morning, and so my ass
did conditioning in the morning, him, Coach Caldwell, myself, I
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just watched. I didn't do I didn't play as much
as I did, but I knew that once I did
with the preparation that I had learning from Calvin Johnson,
learning from Rasheen mathis the study he did the Glover Quinns,
asking all the questions that he did over the years,
I knew when I was going to get my shot.
I knew I was going to be ready. And I
think just being able to listen, just being able to
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put that head down and work and work smartly, helped
me become the professional that I am today.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
As you get older, again, you're a pro bowler twelve
and a half sacks. Let's say it's November, You're in
week ten eleven, you're banged up, you have a little
bit of a semi high ankle spring.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Do you have a bye week or already had it?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Nope, already had it? Okay, b and you're you can play,
but you're dinged up. Have you found your diet has
changed since you're Oh yeah, let's talk about that. So
what do you do? Let's talk in season, because we
all know by Thanksgiving everybody's beat up. And it's not
like just I'm a little tired, it's I hurt in
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multiple places. Yeah, how has it changed your diet and prep?
Speaker 6 (30:15):
That's a really good question. I think it's funny. I
even change it in the off season. For example, I
heard you being a big health guy earlier. Magnesium. That's
awesome for you. Something I just did was a seventy
two hour water fast. I didn't eat for seventy two hours.
I just did straight water just to get my system
flushed out and just feel good. And it was hard
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for the first two days, and then that third day
it was like clarity.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
It was like spiritual experience.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
It was amazing, but it was just a reset on
my body just to get all the gunk that I
had and went to a family vacation in Maui. I
ate very good, but I wanted to reset to get
ready for this season. And I literally start from the
ground up, just like I did with my body. I
work with my feet and go all the way up
to my head. And I do the same thing with
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my diet. I start from the ground of, you know,
doing this seventy two hour water fast and then it's like, okay,
we're on this eating healthy path and it's a lot
of meat and vegetables.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
That's basically. I don't like to.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Do carbs until the day of the game because that
helps you fuel you. But I really stay away from
carbs during the season to feel good, feel light, and
then during before the game I'll put on a couple
extra pounds to get it going.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Is there a team in the league that you just
can't hide your disdain form like you just Oh, they
know it.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Those teams know it.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
They know the Buffalo Bills, they know I played them
all those years, Dion Dawkins, Josh.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Allen, they know I'm angry.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Yeah, I mean Patrick Mahomes, he knows him, and Travis Kelsey,
and then recently it's been the Steelers, And I don't
think it's more so the Steelers players. They're relatively good
a couple of them, but it's been more of the coaches,
Like it's stuff on the sideline that no one gets
to see that the Mike Doves haven't picked up.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
The coaches trash.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Yeah, yeah, especially like it's a competitive game, right, and
I love trash talking, but all those games have been close.
It hasn't been like we've beat we've whipped you, or
you know the yeah, the new phrases people say belt
to ask like that's kind of the new phrase, but
that's when someone gets really beat, right, And for us,
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like they've been in competitive games, I feel like it
hasn't been Tomlin, it's been the other coaches around have
been kind of talking a little trash, and so the
disdains getting back with that Pittsburgh Ravens rivalry. I feel
like it wasn't there when I first got to the Ravens.
It's been mostly the Cincinnati Bengals in US, and I
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feel like it's going back to that raven Steelers rivalry
that we've been so accustomed.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
To who is And it could be one of your
teammates in all the years in the NFL. Could be
Logan Mankins. I don't know what is there an offensive
lineman that's coming around the corner and you know it
is two hours in the gym, like somebody that you
have so much respectful. Yeah, even the night before you're
like on that trap play.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Yeah, it's funny you say this. It's actually a member
of the soon to be Hall of Fame should be
from the Ravens and Ring of Honor for the Ravens,
Marshall Yonda. Marshall Yonda, me and Hie Tower would talk
about him because back when we're playing in New England,
we played open B gaps, which means there's you get
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an end and then you get a no traditional nose
guard and then there's an open B gap which is
the guard and then it's you. So it's one on
one with Marshall Yonda. It's about the year by to
have a long day with him. Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
That was somebody that I always respected.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Physicality.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Yeah, he was physical and strong and he wasn't afraid
of nobody, Like you had to come, you had to
bring it every play and playing against him and Ossemile
when he was with the Raiders with Gabe Jackson, when
they had an older Marshawn Lynch. Yeah, Ossemile who also
played for the Ravens. He was so strong. Oh, just
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mean you had to like tell him, hey, you're playing
great this season, you know, Yeah, you're playing so good,
you know, just take it easy on this play.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Those two, those two players I had a lot of
respect for. And then Zach Martin uh played him and
it wasn't a physical standpoint that you were you were like,
it's going to be a long day. But it was
more of he's a great football player. He's going to
be ready to go. He knows what he's doing, and
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he's fast and he's strong, and he's not overpowering you.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
He's just quick.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
He's kind of technician.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Technician, just like Jason Kelsey was, just like Alex Mack was.
I remember getting ready for him for the Super Bowl
back in twenty sixteen in New England and how fast
he was able to climb up on the backers to
run and like cut him off on his cut blocks.
Those guys not necessarily like a little brute force but
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those guys technician wise, those three were really really good
at their craft.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
By the way, it should be noted that the two
most physical guys you mentioned played for the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
They did it always.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, that's a culture. Yes, Harbaugh's love tough guys.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yes he does.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
And that guy that's the toughness guy for us. The
two guys that I that jump off as Travis Jones
and Nomdi Mattabik. Those two are a force in the
interior D line. They're up and coming. They're a bill.
Their arrow is pointing very very up of both their careers.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
What a pleasure to see you again, man, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Thanks for having me. I love being here. I love
watching you and you know, doing your thing. LA is
gonna miss you. So appreciate you doing everything that you've done,
and not just this community. I know you're here still
for a while. I know you're going to Chicago, but
would appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
By the way, b Yu is number six seed. They
just go. They shoot a lot of three.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
They should have been higher, but you know, sec they
got to get their glory right. But the thing about
Brigham that I'm gonna say is you better watch out.
They shoot a lot of threes. They make a lot
of threes.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Everybody's with Jimmer.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I am buddy with Jim or Jimmer.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
You know, he led us almost to the Promised Land,
did a really really good job. I think we have
another phenomenal player in Richie Saunders, who is all Big
twelve this year. Just to underrated Big twelve. I know
you weren't necessarily hot on Arizona, but I feel like
you go.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
To the final four.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Oh you do you were hot? I apologize. Yes, my
dark corn yes, Caleb Love very very good.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Center is yes, yes, he was nothing early has played well.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Now correct, They're very good. I like Texas Tech. They're tough,
great pick Houston. If they can shoot it.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
Well, I'm very high on them. That's a big if though,
because they do play defense. They do play phenomenal deeps.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Michigan State not a lot of shooters.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Yes, but they're coming alive in the Big twelve tournament.
They shot really, really well. I'm very excited to see
what the Big Big twelve does. I feel like they've
been underrated, just like their football programs were during the
bowl season. I think they're gonna do the same thing
in this tournament. I really really like the Big twelve,
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the teams that they have. They're tough, they're physical, they
play that style. The referees let them play down there.
But BYU they're shooting ability if they get hot. I'd
be scared if I'm anybody in the tournament because they're
putting up ninety points and you're like, well, I gotta
guard this guy, but this guy over here can shoot.
And I really want to put a lot of pressure
(38:05):
on Igor Demon. I know he's a freshman, but he's
not a freshman anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Don't they have some great recruit coming next year?
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Yes, they do. Aj number one basketball player in the country.
I'm not positive. I think from Boston, Boston area.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
He chose BYU.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
I don't believe he's LDS, but he might as well
be right that checks LDS. No, I'm just kidding, but
I think it's phenomenal. I think it's going through all
the sports there at BYU. I think it's been a
shift in guard.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Well, they've always had money.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
They have.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
It's secretly they've had a lot of money as well.
Yes they do, but it's not even the church is
Demian out. I think the donors and the boosters are
the one providing all the money. When you have a
guy that owns the Utah Jazz and Ryan Smith, you
have Danny Ainge who's also happened with Utah Jazz when
they're heavily involved. I just played with the number one
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one of the top golfer recruits the other day, Key Hey.
He was getting offers from Alabama and Oklahoma State. He
ended up choosing chose BYU to stay close to home.
But because of that group of boosters and donors that
are bringing in not only money, but that respect of hey,
(39:26):
I can help you get to that next level. That's
who you want to be with you, And I'm starting
to get involved a little bit more. I would like
to kind of not be all the way in like
Steph Curry is, but be able to help young men,
be able to say, hey, if you do those things,
you can be a pro and get to that next level.
I think that's awesome what Steph Curry's doing with his
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former college.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yes, Kyle, then no great anybody, Yeah, good to see
you
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Here we go on a Tuesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd wherever you may be, and however you
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That's why don't go out partying. You go to bed
early so you can watch Dodger Baseball MLB ACCIDENTT three.
(00:51):
It started at three. I missed the first forty minutes,
but I was locked in after that. Jmatt, I see
you got a haircut for the start of the baseball season.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Start with baseball?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Are you kidding me? That's it? By the way, did
Otani Holmer, You had a couple of hits and a
couple of runs. The Dodgers are really good. Okay, let's
just start with this. The Dodgers beat the Cubs. They're
obviously not going to go one sixty to two to zero,
but one fifty nine and three is on the table.
This is a really good team. The minute the Cubs
went to the bullpen. Now it's not gonna work. No
(01:22):
Mookie Bets, no Freddie Freeman, late scratch, no problem. But
watching a Dodger game with Otani reminds me of when
Tiger started taking over golf, and whenever there was a
lull in the action, the director would just say, all right,
let's just put it on Tiger, and even walking up
the fairway, it was okay to watch him for ninety
seconds every fairway. You were watching history. And that's what
(01:45):
it feels like with Otani, unfazed, always smiling game in Tokyo.
A little bit of nerves nah infects this personality. So
he's already got a world series title, he's already got
three MVPs in the bag, and unlike the Angels, he's
on a stack team, so you can't pitch around him.
And he's leading off, which will force yes people in
(02:05):
Los Angeles to show up to Dodger games.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Early.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yabamoto, the starter got the w for the Dodgers. But
he's now an all time roster you can't pitch around him.
And it's just there's a magnetism transformational. And again they
didn't have Molky or Freddie Freeman. This is going to
be a tough team to face because if you go
to your bullpen and it's not buttoned up, you're talking
(02:30):
about five potential batters that could be Hall of famers
and Otani at bats. And this is what's great for
baseball is that. And we've said this. You know, I
grew up at a different time when there were the
faces of baseball. It could be Johnny Bench, you know,
for a time, you know, it could be Mark Fidrich,
it could be a quirky personality. Baseball's been dying for
(02:51):
a face of the sport. Now Aaron Judge is a
big deal. But baseball's more regional than national, So you
may just be like the face of the league, Hudson
river East if you're Aaron Judge. But I do feel
like we talk about the NBA is always saying, well,
you need a face of the league that can't be
an international player. The minute O Tawny parked his car
at Dodger Stadium. He was the face of major League Baseball, Pacific, rim,
(03:16):
Los Angeles and beyond. Never forget last year Dodgers go
to Yankee Stadium, all those blue hats they leave major
League Baseball in road attendance and being the face of
a sport is something you cannot campaign for, right It's
a little bit like a nickname. You can't give it
to yourself. It's got to come naturally. And I'm thinking,
(03:38):
oh boy, he's gonna be nervous in this series. This
is gonna be a lot for him. It wasn't infectious, unfazed, olways, smiling,
couple hits, a couple runs, Dodgers want to know, got
good starting pitching, and here's the skipper after.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I don't think I've ever seen Showhay nervous. You know,
one thing I did notice is how emotional he got
during the Japanese national anthem. That was really something that
was very telling, how emotional he was. I thought it
was a good baseball game. I thought offensively, we control
(04:14):
the strike zone, took our watch walks, got some timely hits,
played good defense.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, but it really is. We've talked about this a
lot about does the NBA have a face of the league,
and I felt forever when I watched Michael Jordan. Jordan
was good looking, he was the best dressed. There were
the ear rings, there was the smile, he had a gate.
The way he walked. Michael walked cool, like he didn't
have to ask for it. Like Michael walked into the room.
(04:41):
He was the alpha. And it didn't matter if Barkley,
Magic and Bird were in the room. Michael was the
alpha around all these great Dodger players. I mean it's
just Otani is different. I mean it, language barriers irrelevant,
doesn't matter at all. The look, the sigh so much
bigger in person, and even around Major League Baseball players,
(05:04):
you can see it. It's totally infectious. Dodgers want to know,
gonna be a lot of doubles for this team. They
play again tomorrow and they will be on FS one. Actually,
so what about to say about Lebron is not necessarily
a criticism. It's actually part of sort of his legacy.
(05:25):
To me, Lebron's very calculated with everything his social media posts.
So Lebron, remember they faced Boston and they played a
good game and for the first half, then then the
second half, they kind of struggled and Lebron had like
a growing tweak and Lebron's like, see you guys, I'm
gonna head back to La I'll see you guys in
three weeks. Very calculated. So last night I watched the
(05:48):
Warriors against the Nuggets, and the Nuggets didn't have Yoki,
and the Nuggets didn't have Jamal Murray, and the Nuggets
completely controlled the game and they led the whole game
at one point fifteen, and there was no Jokic and
no Jabal Murray. And my take watching is Steph Curry
looks really tired. And this is where the Lakers have
(06:11):
an advantage over the Warriors. So if Lebron's out, Luca
and Austin Reeves are both play initiators, they can both
drop thirty points. You would not be shocked Austin's on
a heater right now. If Steph takes a night off,
I mean, the oxygen offensively for the Warriors leaves the room.
I love Draymond, I love Jimmy Butler. They're not offensive
(06:35):
dynamic machines. That's not what they are. What Jimmy Butler
adds is all these intangibles and toughness, in physicality and urgency.
And Draymond is a catalyst, and he's a rebounder and
a defender. But if Steph's not on the floor, and
he was last night, you take him off the floor.
I said this before the Jimmy Butler moved. The Warriors
(06:56):
were boring without Steph on the floor. They've got good players,
but kaminga by himself, Jimmy by himself. I mean, you
watch Jimmy Butler in Miami just didn't matter. So Lebron
is a forty year old and he understands the value
of a nap. So he gets a groin tweak, walks
off the floor, and he heads to LA. He gets
(07:16):
treatment every day, you know what I mean. He gets rest,
He watches a sudden play high school basketball, He gets
a mental reset, a physical reboot. That has always been
the value of Lebron. The way Lebron looks at basketball
is how can the player I'm gonna play with Chris
bosh could be j R. Smith, Kyrie Irving, It could
(07:37):
be a D. Luca Austin Reeves. How do they make
the game a little easier for me? So as I age,
I have these brief six minute moments where I can
take over the game, and that's calculated. And that's okay
because he still remains one of the top six or
seven players in the league. On any night he's the
second or third best player. Some nights he's the best.
(07:58):
Certainly some halves in quarters he is. But the Warriors
are different when Steph sit And it's if you start
looking at the Warriors schedule now, they're going on a
six game road trip and they are this is a
tired team. And Steve Kerr talked about it after the
lost of Denver.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
He's been caring us for for a month. He's been amazing.
He's tired. So we got to get him. We've got
to get him some rest. I just you can see it.
He doesn't have his his energy right now. But he's
exhausted right now. So we've got to We've got to
absolutely consider giving him a night and getting him rejuvenated
(08:38):
for the sake of.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Him and are you know, the remainder of our games.
But we'll see.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It's not that Lebron isn't valuable, but this roster now
between the size of a Rouie and a Jackson Hayes
and the offensive initiation of Austin Reeves. Yes, he can
do it, and Luca Lebron can sit out. Now the
team's not as good. Obviously, they don't communicate as well
when Lebron is out. They're not as smart when Lebron's out.
(09:05):
He's one of the smartest, greatest communicators along with Magic
Johnson I've ever seen play basketball. But they can score
points without Lebron. They can get into the one twenties
Golden State. Look at that six game schedule, Roady coming up.
I don't know where their offense is. It's it's not
And by the way, I like Kaminga, but you can't.
It's inconsistent. Love Butler, but he's not a huge scorer,
(09:26):
a great shooter. It's not easy for him. Offense is
work for Jimmy Butler. So they got a challenge on
their hands because Steph looked tired. No Yokich, no Jamal Murray,
and they just had no fight and no energy. As
I'm sitting there watching and thinking, Okay, they'll go on
a spurt, they got no spurt in them.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
They didn't have it. So j mac Adam.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Wainwright stops by Kyle Van Nuyan Studio. Nick Wright tomorrow.
I hope you get up early tomorrow with the kids,
have breakfast, watch a little MLB action.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
I gotta get up early Thursday and Friday for the tournament,
so it's goo it'd be tough for me to pull
a three a m.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Wake up to watch baseball.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I did three forty the first couple innings.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
I forced at fourth inning at that point because now
they're speeding.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Against no baseball flies by Yeah yeah, yeah, so, but
the first thirty minutes a bit blurry. I didn't watch
the first inning and a half was a little you know,
was that.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
After like three pints last night celebrating Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, that's not how I roll. Oh really, not with
ensuing MLB action. I'm not out there.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
Just partying, like dropping big vocabulary words here early.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Hey.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
By the way, so uh, your Warriors interesting? They beat
up on a bunch of tomato cans and you were
gassing them up like they're going to the finals and
now they face a yokichless Nuggets and lose. You should
have been watching Austin Reeve's cook last night.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Oh my gosh, how good was Austin reed He was good?
He was good.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
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Speaker 1 (10:56):
All right, so before I get to Nick, Right, So,
PFF came out today with the uh they ranked all
the rosters one to thirty two. I'm not going to
do that, but I did take free agency and free
agency losses. I considered everything. So we have our coaching
moves all set, we have free agency outside of Aaron Rodgers. Again,
(11:17):
I think he maybe adds a win to wherever he goes,
maybe two wins. But I don't think he's changing. He's
not changing divisions, forget about changing the sport. I just
don't think he is. It's done a shot on him.
I think Russell Wilson again could be worth a win
to a team that didn't have a right quarterback. But
I will tell you what I think based on free
agency gains and losses and kind of what teams are
(11:39):
going through right now, where we stand with the top ten,
I would put Green Bay at ten. They remained the
young ten, the youngest offense in the NFL, the youngest roster,
a overpaid for Aaron Banks, at guard, but it was
a position of need. And again, when you have a
young quarterback, you've got to protect him. Now, Jordan Love
did not play well in the last month of the season,
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and that is a concern. Plus, Chicago's better, Minnesota could
be really good. The division is very good offensively. I
have Green Bay at ten. Number nine, Denver's going to improve.
How good was Bo Nicks as a rookie? Well, how
good do you think he's going to be year two
with Sean Payton. They got Evan Ingram with Sean Payton
calls their joker position. Like Deebo, he can do multiple things.
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They spent more money on free agency than any playoff team.
And again, bow Knicks an entire off season with Sean Payton.
So getting Drake Greenlaw and Hufunga those are big, instinctive
smart guys who will upgrade the defense. Everybody in the
AFC West, including the Raiders, that division is getting really good,
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really fast. Number eight the Commanders. Their O line last
year was ten. Now they added Laramie Tunzel, a top
three pass blocker. Deebo Samuel is one of the great
moves of free agency, the classic chess piece. This is
a team that could get four to five starters out
of the draft got two absolute starters in free agency,
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and again, Jaden Daniels as a rookie was amazing. Another
offseason to learn Cliff's offense. I have him at eight.
Number seven, really worry about Kansas City. Joe Tooney is
one of the more valuable offensive lineman in the league.
Left and they didn't want him to leave. They couldn't
afford him. They don't have a left tackle. They paid
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a lot for Jalen Moore, who's never been a starter,
and there's pass rushers all over that division. By the way,
they're not going to go eleven to zero in one
score games. Raiders are better, Broncos will be better, the
Chargers will be better. Listen, it never lasts forever. I
think it's going to be a slight pullback here. I
still have him as a playoff team. You're not going
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eleven to zero in one score games. The division now
is simply too good. Number six the Chargers. I think
Najie Harris only player in the league four straight thousand
yard seasons behind a bad Steeler O line, tone deaf
culture offensively, Now he goes to Harbaugh by the way
Harbaugh's second year with the Niners got to the Super Bowl.
So think of what Jim Harbaugh turned around in one
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off season the worst defense to statistically a top two defense.
Now you get another seven to eight draft picks from
a coach who just left college football Nauseie Harris. Joe
alt second year as a starting tackle. I think, like Denver,
the Chargers make a big jump. I have him at six,
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number five. I worry about the Lions. I like DJ
Reid because our pass defense has been lousy for years.
I like that pickup. They lost both coordinators and they're
not going to be as clever without Ben Johnson. They're
just not We saw Philadelphia lose both coordinators a couple
of years ago and they plummeted. I also think the
whole raw raw thing. I think it works early as
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you're building a culture, but now the culture, the raw
raw stuff wears down. Are you as good schematically? Because
the NFC is getting better fast. I have the lines
at five number four. Listen, they got an extension for
Josh Allen. I also think Joey Bosa and receiver Josh
Palmer are upgrades. The extension, by the way, is fairly
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team friendly to allow for some flexibility. I thought for
much of the year last year they were the best team,
and I think they've upgraded. I think Joey Bosa is
a better version of von Miller, who was expensive and
hurt a lot and became kind of a pass rusher only.
I have Buffalo at four, number three. Ravens rosters ranked
number one by PFF. They got Lonnie Stanley and again
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that number one offense last year. I don't see it regressing.
This list is not about who's going to win the
Super Bowl. It is how do I value your roster
and your team right now, based on free agency gains
and losses and extensions to your best player. I have
the Ravens at three, number two. I let the Rams
crushed poona four defensive line that was an area of
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need and Devonte Adams and retain Matt Stafford, and their
defense Thanksgiving on was arguably the best in the league.
Go ask Sam Darnold sack nine times. So this defense
is just getting better every month because they're so young
and inexpensive. I put the Rams at too. Go back
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to that game in the snow in Philly. They're down
to the fifteen yard line with a chance to go
with two turnovers with a chance to go in for
the win. Surreal team head in the right direction. Number one. Listen,
they didn't over pay for Milton Williams. They had some
free agent losses, but they have drafted so well. Philadelphia's
number one. Again. They are smart enough to know who
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to pay for and who to let go. And I
thought all their moves made sense to me. Zach Pawn
bringing him back the linebacker surprised me a little at
that price point, but again, I'm gonna give Philadelphia the
benefit here. It remains the deepest roster with the most dexterity.
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Speaker 1 (18:01):
That's Cavino and Rich. He has been in the NFL
five different teams, and yet he's productive with all of them.
A Kyle van Noy eleven years, a two time Super
Bowl champ, both of the Patriots. So this is interesting.
Let's start with this. Do you watch Kyle? Do you
watch Free Agency?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I mean, the first thing I'm going to say is yes,
because we saw Jamar Chase and t Higgins what they
just got right, they're in our division.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We have to watch that.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
I mean, that's amazing that they got those deals done
up there, and at the amount that they did. They
went all in on offense, so it was pretty crazy
for a team.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
To do it. But I'm happy for him.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
I got to spend some time with Jamar Chase at
the Pro Bowl and Joe Burrow, two very extraordinary young
men in this game that are just going to grow
even more. Just two really good dudes at what they
do with their craft. And so I'm happy for him
to get their money, but not happy when we have
to play twice a year.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, it's interesting because I talked to you a year ago,
I think it was before you signed with the Ravens.
You ended up twelve and a half sacks, major first
Pro Bowl, let's go. So it's interesting. That's not the
way it usually works. We get older. Yeah, yet you
So I'm going to say some of this obviously a
lot to you, but some of it had to be fit?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, was it? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I think a little bit it is about fit, but
I also more think it's about mindset. My mindset's different.
I believe that every day when I wake up, it's different.
It's kind of our family model with my wife and
I were just built different, and that's the attitude that
I brought into that building. I felt that I was
a little disrespected by not getting any offers during that offseason.
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I feel like I perform at a high level my
entire career and then for nobody want to come after me.
I was like, man, just because I'm I turned over thirty,
You're gonna say, oh, he's old, now he's lost. But
then when I got on the foot ball field, it
was the right fit. Chuck Smith, coach Harbaugh really really
just kind of let me do my thing, really put
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that leadership role on me, and I was able to
not think with Mike Mack and now I don't have
to think with Zachary Orr. They do a really good
job that put me in positions to succeed, and I've
really taken off. I play with a bunch of really
good players like Rokwan Smith, Kyle Hamilton, Nomdi, Matt A
bk and then Adafeoway and we just do our thing
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together and I'm really grateful to be with the group,
the core group that they have is something I haven't
been around in the league, to be honest, and they're special.
Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, Tyler Lindenbaum.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Did you know special? Did you know in camp when
you guys acquired Dereck Henry? Could you tell in camp, Oh,
this is gonna be a load.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I don't know if I want to say that, Colin,
but I thought they were going to be really good.
I thought the way that they they were operating, the
way that the offensive coordinator was calling plays during fall camp,
you knew it was going.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
To be a work in progress. Right.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
We saw the first game where people were a little
unhappy against Kansas City at the time, but then it
took off from there and we really relied on both
of them. And one thing I'll say about that duo
is it was the first time I believe that they
both played with superstars and they elevated each other because
they knew they didn't have to do everything, but at
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the same time, when it was their time to shine,
they took it up another level. And so that's something
that I watched during the season. It was awesome. The
leadership that Derrick Henry brings, the attitude he brings, is exceptional.
It exudes through the entire building. Everybody you know likes
to be around those two. And Lamar Jackson is the
best teammate. He hangs out with everybody, He knows everybody's name.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
He's a joy to be in the locker room.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
We know you talk very highly of him, and I'm
sure he appreciates that.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
You're one of the big cheerleaders in the media.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Even though he's had, you know, his downs in the playoffs,
But I think that's part of his journey. I think
that's part of the struggle that he's had just a
little bit. I also think it's gonna propel him and
the Lamar Jackson that I know that I see every day.
It's gonna feel him and get him better and better
and better. We haven't even seen. We've seen just a
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little bit. I think he's got a whole other level
to go.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, I've said this, there's a lot of quarterbacks in
the league. There's not a single quarterback that defines the
city and the team like Lamar. Like I love Mahomes,
but that's as much Andy Reid as anybody.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, you couldn't make that argument.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, yeah I would. And by the way I love
Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. I honestly feel if I
would have picked a culture and a city for Lamar
Jackson to plan, it would have been always overlooked, often disrespected, tough,
gritty Baltimore. Yeah, it's just it's weird. It's like he
and you played with, You played with great quarterbacks. That
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the fact that he knows everybody's name, that's kind of
a Brady thing.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I mean Tom was the first person that I met
when I got traded to New England.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Came up to me.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
He shook my hand and said, my name's Tom Brady,
and I wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Like, you idiot, I know who you are. Tom's great.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
He's a great teammate of yours now at Fox, doing
a great job speaking at games. I do think Lamar
has that. I also think he has a different aura
as well because of the play he has. He has
that highlight real play, so it's a different you know
he does Madden plays Tom you know, he's the pocket passer,
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you know, rhythm passer, does everything great mentally all that.
Lamar can just show up and play, and that's different.
Nobody can do that. Only he can do that, and
it's so impressive to watch. There are two complete different players.
I'm so grateful that I got to play with both
of them because Tommy Boy gave me two rings. So
I'm forever grateful to Big Bro.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
So it's funny. So I just love the Ravens so much.
Funny story that, and I never I don't like calling
teams for free tickets. Yeah, not my thing. I don't
want to owe anybody anything. I got that from my mom.
So I called the Ravens and my daughter was in
Baltimore and I said, so I called the Ravens. I said,
I'll pay for him. I don't like asking for tickets.
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They're like, it's fine, and they sat my daughter right
next to Joe Burrow's parents. Thank God, I'd been nice
to grow Burrow. But it's such a class organization. What
is it about Harbaugh? The secret sauce Like he's kind
of a man's man. Like when I look at John,
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it's always like, if you do your job, he will
treat you. He just expects you to be a pro.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yep, you know, I want to start where you just
went with the organization. Mister Bushati, amazing owner one of
the best I've been aroun around top down, loves football,
wants the team to win, but he pours money into
the organization. He gives everybody you know that a one treatment.
It doesn't matter who you are in the building. He
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does in a phenomenal job. So I do have to
commend him for that, and I'm glad you had a
great experience with him. But it starts with him and
then with John Harbaugh. I just believe for him, what
separates him as his relationships to players. He truly cares
about what you think and how you see things, and
he literally goes up to anybody and will ask, and
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he takes tidbits from everybody and he puts it into
his program. He doesn't just focus on, you know, his
way or the high way. He adjusts. That's why he's
lasted so long. It's an adapter die mentality. If you
stay the same for so long, you're not gonna improve,
You're not gonna get better, You're not going to keep
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this excellence.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
That's what I see.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
The difference between him is that mentality to always get
better each and every year, and the trust that he
has with his players and the relationship. He's a relationship guy.
He's a tough guy. He likes to get after it
in the weight room himself. Every single day at five o'clock,
he's in that weight room and that's the kind of
attitude he has without the same day, and he has
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that standard for everybody, that standard of excellence.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You know, we're going into an NFL draft. And one
of the things about football, Matt Slater's a guy you
played with the New England. Yeah, like nineteen years or
something in the NFL. So much of what you bring
when I listen to you talk is about professionalism. Okay,
And if you could sit down with young football players
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and just say listen, I'm going to give you two
things about pro football. Okay. You didn't go to a
football factory though. BYU is a great school. It's a
really good program, and they've done a great job through
the years of getting players ready for pro football. And
again a school that has a we.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Got good ones, Pookah, we got Fred Warner.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Oh I know, no, No, it's always delivered NFL quality guys,
good program. What would you tell a young guy, I'm
a linebacker, I'm from Texas A and m a's four star.
What would be the two things you'd say, Okay, young man,
here's the difference with pro football.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Oh man, listen, you don't know everything. And two, put
your head down and work and I'm i mean work
smart and hard. Those are the two things I would say.
I would say, listen, tell your ogs, listen to what's
happening around, scope it out, and work hard. Put your
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head down and work and work smartly. And you put
those two together, I think you'd be really successful. I
think too many guys come in with the mindset they
know it all, which some of them do know a lot.
But I think there's some players that have played a
really long time. There's coaches that I've coached a really
long time. So you should listen. You should listen to
the players. You should see how professional players. This guy works,
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this guy, how he handles his business. And then the
smart work of you've already put in the work to
get here, continue to do that, but add stuff to that.
That's where that smart comes in. Add this to your game. Okay,
that guy's doing a little extra work, I'm gonna put
that into my game. That guy's on the jugs a
little bit more, I'm gonna put that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That in my game.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Something that Julian Edelman did was he paid a equipment
guy at our facility in New England, and he would
pay him every year to shoot extra jugs at him
and he would catch so many balls each.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And every day.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
I know Zay Flowers does the same thing in Baltimore.
So there's different nuggets that you can see if you
just watch. Something I picked up when I was a
professional as a rookie was Calvin Johnson, an amazing superstar receiver.
He did conditioning in the morning, and so my ass
did conditioning in the morning, him, Coach Caldwell, myself, I
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just watched. I didn't do I didn't play as much
as I did, but I knew that once I did
with the preparation that I had learning from Calvin Johnson,
learning from Rasheen mathis the study he did the Glover Quinns,
asking all the questions that he did over the years,
I knew when I was going to get my shot.
I knew I was going to be ready. And I
think just being able to listen, just being able to
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put that head down and work and work smartly, helped
me become the professional that I am today.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
As you get older, again, you're a pro bowler twelve
and a half sacks. Let's say it's November, You're in
week ten eleven, you're banged up, you have a little
bit of a semi high ankle spring.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Do you have a bye week or already had it?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Nope, already had it? Okay, b and you're you can play,
but you're dinged up. Have you found your diet has
changed since you're Oh yeah, let's talk about that. So
what do you do? Let's talk in season, because we
all know by Thanksgiving everybody's beat up. And it's not
like just I'm a little tired, it's I hurt in
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multiple places. Yeah, how has it changed your diet and prep?
Speaker 6 (30:15):
That's a really good question. I think it's funny. I
even change it in the off season. For example, I
heard you being a big health guy earlier. Magnesium. That's
awesome for you. Something I just did was a seventy
two hour water fast. I didn't eat for seventy two hours.
I just did straight water just to get my system
flushed out and just feel good. And it was hard
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for the first two days, and then that third day
it was like clarity.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
It was like spiritual experience.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
It was amazing, but it was just a reset on
my body just to get all the gunk that I
had and went to a family vacation in Maui. I
ate very good, but I wanted to reset to get
ready for this season. And I literally start from the
ground up, just like I did with my body. I
work with my feet and go all the way up
to my head. And I do the same thing with
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my diet. I start from the ground of, you know,
doing this seventy two hour water fast and then it's like, okay,
we're on this eating healthy path and it's a lot
of meat and vegetables.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
That's basically. I don't like to.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Do carbs until the day of the game because that
helps you fuel you. But I really stay away from
carbs during the season to feel good, feel light, and
then during before the game I'll put on a couple
extra pounds to get it going.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Is there a team in the league that you just
can't hide your disdain form like you just Oh, they
know it.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Those teams know it.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
They know the Buffalo Bills, they know I played them
all those years, Dion Dawkins, Josh.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Allen, they know I'm angry.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Yeah, I mean Patrick Mahomes, he knows him, and Travis Kelsey,
and then recently it's been the Steelers, And I don't
think it's more so the Steelers players. They're relatively good
a couple of them, but it's been more of the coaches,
Like it's stuff on the sideline that no one gets
to see that the Mike Doves haven't picked up.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
The coaches trash.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Yeah, yeah, especially like it's a competitive game, right, and
I love trash talking, but all those games have been close.
It hasn't been like we've beat we've whipped you, or
you know the yeah, the new phrases people say belt
to ask like that's kind of the new phrase, but
that's when someone gets really beat, right, And for us,
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like they've been in competitive games, I feel like it
hasn't been Tomlin, it's been the other coaches around have
been kind of talking a little trash, and so the
disdains getting back with that Pittsburgh Ravens rivalry. I feel
like it wasn't there when I first got to the Ravens.
It's been mostly the Cincinnati Bengals in US, and I
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feel like it's going back to that raven Steelers rivalry
that we've been so accustomed.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
To who is And it could be one of your
teammates in all the years in the NFL. Could be
Logan Mankins. I don't know what is there an offensive
lineman that's coming around the corner and you know it
is two hours in the gym, like somebody that you
have so much respectful. Yeah, even the night before you're
like on that trap play.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Yeah, it's funny you say this. It's actually a member
of the soon to be Hall of Fame should be
from the Ravens and Ring of Honor for the Ravens,
Marshall Yonda. Marshall Yonda, me and Hie Tower would talk
about him because back when we're playing in New England,
we played open B gaps, which means there's you get
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an end and then you get a no traditional nose
guard and then there's an open B gap which is
the guard and then it's you. So it's one on
one with Marshall Yonda. It's about the year by to
have a long day with him. Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
That was somebody that I always respected.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Physicality.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Yeah, he was physical and strong and he wasn't afraid
of nobody, Like you had to come, you had to
bring it every play and playing against him and Ossemile
when he was with the Raiders with Gabe Jackson, when
they had an older Marshawn Lynch. Yeah, Ossemile who also
played for the Ravens. He was so strong. Oh, just
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mean you had to like tell him, hey, you're playing
great this season, you know, Yeah, you're playing so good,
you know, just take it easy on this play.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Those two, those two players I had a lot of
respect for. And then Zach Martin uh played him and
it wasn't a physical standpoint that you were you were like,
it's going to be a long day. But it was
more of he's a great football player. He's going to
be ready to go. He knows what he's doing, and
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he's fast and he's strong, and he's not overpowering you.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
He's just quick.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
He's kind of technician.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Technician, just like Jason Kelsey was, just like Alex Mack was.
I remember getting ready for him for the Super Bowl
back in twenty sixteen in New England and how fast
he was able to climb up on the backers to
run and like cut him off on his cut blocks.
Those guys not necessarily like a little brute force but
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those guys technician wise, those three were really really good
at their craft.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
By the way, it should be noted that the two
most physical guys you mentioned played for the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
They did it always.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, that's a culture. Yes, Harbaugh's love tough guys.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yes he does.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
And that guy that's the toughness guy for us. The
two guys that I that jump off as Travis Jones
and Nomdi Mattabik. Those two are a force in the
interior D line. They're up and coming. They're a bill.
Their arrow is pointing very very up of both their careers.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
What a pleasure to see you again, man, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Thanks for having me. I love being here. I love
watching you and you know, doing your thing. LA is
gonna miss you. So appreciate you doing everything that you've done,
and not just this community. I know you're here still
for a while. I know you're going to Chicago, but
would appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
By the way, b Yu is number six seed. They
just go. They shoot a lot of three.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
They should have been higher, but you know, sec they
got to get their glory right. But the thing about
Brigham that I'm gonna say is you better watch out.
They shoot a lot of threes. They make a lot
of threes.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Everybody's with Jimmer.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I am buddy with Jim or Jimmer.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
You know, he led us almost to the Promised Land,
did a really really good job. I think we have
another phenomenal player in Richie Saunders, who is all Big
twelve this year. Just to underrated Big twelve. I know
you weren't necessarily hot on Arizona, but I feel like
you go.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
To the final four.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Oh you do you were hot? I apologize. Yes, my
dark corn yes, Caleb Love very very good.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Center is yes, yes, he was nothing early has played well.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Now correct, They're very good. I like Texas Tech. They're tough,
great pick Houston. If they can shoot it.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
Well, I'm very high on them. That's a big if though,
because they do play defense. They do play phenomenal deeps.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Michigan State not a lot of shooters.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Yes, but they're coming alive in the Big twelve tournament.
They shot really, really well. I'm very excited to see
what the Big Big twelve does. I feel like they've
been underrated, just like their football programs were during the
bowl season. I think they're gonna do the same thing
in this tournament. I really really like the Big twelve,
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the teams that they have. They're tough, they're physical, they
play that style. The referees let them play down there.
But BYU they're shooting ability if they get hot. I'd
be scared if I'm anybody in the tournament because they're
putting up ninety points and you're like, well, I gotta
guard this guy, but this guy over here can shoot.
And I really want to put a lot of pressure
(38:05):
on Igor Demon. I know he's a freshman, but he's
not a freshman anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Don't they have some great recruit coming next year?
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Yes, they do. Aj number one basketball player in the country.
I'm not positive. I think from Boston, Boston area.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
He chose BYU.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
I don't believe he's LDS, but he might as well
be right that checks LDS. No, I'm just kidding, but
I think it's phenomenal. I think it's going through all
the sports there at BYU. I think it's been a
shift in guard.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Well, they've always had money.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
They have.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
It's secretly they've had a lot of money as well.
Yes they do, but it's not even the church is
Demian out. I think the donors and the boosters are
the one providing all the money. When you have a
guy that owns the Utah Jazz and Ryan Smith, you
have Danny Ainge who's also happened with Utah Jazz when
they're heavily involved. I just played with the number one
(39:06):
one of the top golfer recruits the other day, Key Hey.
He was getting offers from Alabama and Oklahoma State. He
ended up choosing chose BYU to stay close to home.
But because of that group of boosters and donors that
are bringing in not only money, but that respect of hey,
(39:26):
I can help you get to that next level. That's
who you want to be with you, And I'm starting
to get involved a little bit more. I would like
to kind of not be all the way in like
Steph Curry is, but be able to help young men,
be able to say, hey, if you do those things,
you can be a pro and get to that next level.
I think that's awesome what Steph Curry's doing with his
(39:48):
former college.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yes, Kyle, then no great anybody, Yeah, good to see
you
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