March 19, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin starts with NFL free agency news as the Vikings have informed Aaron Rodgers they are not interested in signing him and the message teams around the NFL are trying to send to him
Shohei Ohtani homers in another Dodger win to start the season 2-0
Colin gives his reasoning on why Nikola Jokic is still the best player in the NBA
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is a increasingly busy Wednesday live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Jmac more Baseball at three forty five in the morning,
loved it. I hope second night in a row, little
(00:47):
magnesium commitment to MLB action. Early, We've got news on
Aaron Rodgers. Very interesting last night. What developed with the
Warriors in the Milwaukee Buck something that's happening and pretty obvious.
So you ready to go? Are we ready to have
a killer Wednesday show?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
He said?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
He is, Oh, so here it's official. It is official.
The Minnesota Vikings the.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Best option for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's over. They said, not interested. We're gonna go with
JJ McCarthy. So now Aaron is left to the offensively
tone deaf Pittsburgh Steelers who just lost their left tackling
Najie Harris and can't get the on line right. Or
the New York Giants who have been in like an
eight nine, ten year rebuild. That's what he's left with.
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It's got a Nicholas Cage feel, big production, big personality,
big revenue. Once it dips, movie studios and NFL teams
are like, yeah, you're a little quirky for us. His
best option more walks on the beach in Malibu. Hey,
the JFK files were released. Maybe that'll be it. But
his last thirty starts two different organizations, one of them
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a really good one eleven and nineteen twenty four giveaways
and a passer rating below ninety and a lot of
moodiness and a lot of drama. And great NFL quarterbacks
basically fall into two categories, great and low maintenance Lamar Jackson,
Mahomes Brady, you know, breeze and then great quarterbacks with
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some maintenance, sometimes high maintenance, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, Big
Ben And here's what I know.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
That second group they never age as well.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Ever ever age as well.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And that's Aaron's group.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Now he's always been and I don't think I'm taking
a shot a little combative even with his family. He's
been moody, he's been at times arrogant. You could read
Ian O'Connor's amazing book I did. You could go back
to NFL Draft Night. You can go back to Jeff
Pearlman's book or Ian O'Connors when you know he's poking
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the great Brett fav in the ribs. That's who he is.
And it's okay to be defiant for any of us
in our prime, but you better pivot to compliant when
you're out of your prime. A lot of movie stars
don't and they don't get the offers, and Aaron Rodgers
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didn't and he's not getting them either. Once you are
out of the great years, you could be a high
end chef, a quarterback, a movie star, a law partner.
You lose your fastball. You got to go from defiant
to compliant at least occasionally. And I thought it was
very interesting this week, as the Steelers are now one
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of his options. The former Walter Payton Man of the Year,
the highly respected team leader Cam Hayward, talking about Aaron
making teams like the Steeler.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Wait, I ain't doing that or darkness Darkness retreat retreat.
I don't mean any of that crap. Like, either you
want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler you don't. That's that's simple.
That's the pitch, Like if you want me to recruit,
that's the recruiting pitch. You know, Pittsburgh Steelers. If you
want to be part of it, so be it. If
you don't, no skin on my back.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
That is one of the most respected NFL players, not
just on the Steelers, top ten in the league. I'm
not into that darkness retreat crap.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
If one of your friends went on one of those
outside of Hollywood, it's kind of an eye roll, right
the Woods of Oregon, I mean ayahuasca. I get artists
doing that. I'm all for ayahuasca. Never gonna take it,
never did, but I get creative types. But when Cam
Hayward's like, I'm not going to do that darkness retreat crap,
I'm sorry. That's what a lot of people are saying,
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Like Nicholas k Once the production drops, people kind of
feel like, yeah, maybe a little quirky for us, not
a bad guy. But little quirky for us. It's now
down to the Steelers, the Giants, or hey, the best option,
in my opinion, walks on the beach in Malibu. All right, well,
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once again set the alarm clock a little tougher to
get up. Second morning in a row, at the three
point fifty in the morning. I'm not gonna lie to you,
but it was on f fast one and the greatest
baseball player ever. Yeah, it's not particularly close ever, put
on a show.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Well, two two pitch and he sends one deep all
towards right center field, back at the wall, and it
is off the very top of the wall, nearly a
home run, and now they're gonna rule it perhaps as
a home run it is. They kept it in play
for a moment, but Otani cranks one out and he
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gives the fans what they've been waiting.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
For this first of the year.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Man, is there anybody in sports right now that meets
the moment?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Like show?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
It is very messy and MJ and Tiger in his prime,
Stephen Lebron, dude meets the moment and never forget this.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
He's a leadoff hitter.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Okay, why because he's so fast? First fifty to fifty plot.
He's so fast they bat him lean up, leadoff. He
could also about second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth seven. You
can put him anywhere you want, and he could be
an All Star pitcher. Half of his greatest skill he's
not even using yet, the pitching part. Okay, Mahomes can't
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play linebacker. Ovechkin's not a goalie. What you're seeing now
is making Bryce Harper and Aaron Judge, all time great
players feel small. You get no ego with Otani, so
you take him off the Dodgers. They could still win
the World Series. You put him on the Dodgers. I
don't know who's stopping this freight train. They should change
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that Major League Baseball video game from MLB The Show
to MLB Show Hay, because it feels like a video
game leading base dealer power hitter for average all star pitcher.
I again, you take him off the Dodgers. When Freeman
and Bets are there and Dusty mains back, that's the
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mayback that still can be favorites.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Win the World's here.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
You put him on the Dodgers, and just think of
the nerves and the electricity playing in Tokyo for show
Hay yesterday, a couple of hits. Today the home run
completely rises to the moment. Babe Ruth didn't run like this.
Babe Ruth was cigars and beer and a belly. And
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this cat is totally This's the best athlete in America.
There's nothing like him. And forget Babe Ruth, there has
never been a pro athlete in America like this. I mean,
would any of you if he put this into football,
he'd be a tight end, or if he wanted to
play basketball. I mean it just when you put him
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next to other great players, we are watching history. Just
put the camera on him. It's Tiger and his prime.
Just watching him walk up the fairway as special. Here's
Dave Roberts.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
After show Hey puts his pants on, just like we
all do, one leg at a time. But if there's
ever a superhero, I think show Hey just seems like
a superhero. And in the biggest of games or the
biggest of moments, he seems to always deliver.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And I felt the Cubs are going to be a
good team, and last year the Yankees and the Podres
and the Mets were good teams. But when you watch this,
all star team that includes O Tawny Man. Everybody looks
everybody looks average.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Cubs are a good team, but you.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Go to the bullpen against the Dodgers, we wish you
the very best of luck, but they're and they're doing
it right now without a full lineup. They've got two
potential All star level pitchers, two all star physition players
not playing pretty special. Dodgers start the season two and zero.
So J Mac, the Aaron Rodgers news is you and
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I have kind of been confused by Minnesota. There was
the Darnald may Ree sign Daniel Jones last year, Aaron
Rodgers flirtation. I've not quite understood all of it. My
take is that November surgery. There's still some questions for
JJ McCarthy, but this was the best spot for Aaron
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left tackle, receivers, coach, momentum, play indoors know the division
that this was easily the best situation.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Certainly, you know he wanted to be in Minnesota right
given the setup there, But I just you got to
feel bad.
Speaker 8 (10:01):
For the guy at this point. Yeah, nobody wants him.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, I think I think people would take him, but
it's the terms are different. Now, you know the terms
used to be. You know, when you're in your prime
and you're great, the terms are your terms. You have
you have the leverage, you have the pull the levers.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Uh, he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And so it's it's kind of dried up. And and
also when you get to this age to be one thing,
if you're twenty seven and you're like, listen, i'm gonna
I'm gonna go vacation, I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna
train if you want me, I'm out there. It's not
the way it works. When you're forty. You you you
if you're not training every day, spending a million bucks
to get elite and stay elite, you age. I mean
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you age fast in this lead to begin with. You
really age fast when you're not at practice every day.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Remember Tom Brady was like, I'm leaving the Patriots. Who's interested?
And there were people clamoring for his services. Yeah, Aaron
Rodgers now on the market. Kind of crickets.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
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Speaker 1 (11:02):
And we'll get to what Draymond did last night. He
was remarkable against Giannis, and I'll get to that in
a couple of minutes. He was shut him down to
a large degree. So Steph takes the night off and
the Warriors win, you know, kind of going away. And
it's interesting when you watch Jokich over the last two
to three years and you watch Wemby last year as
a rookie in this year, it makes Yannis look much
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more incomplete. He doesn't shoot, doesn't he never developed a
mid range game. He doesn't shoot a three, and so
it's all about a physical mismatch and getting to the basket,
which he does, but that takes a physical toll on you.
All you have to do is go ask Shack. But
the time Shaq hit thirty two and thirty three, he
wasn't quite the same player. So Jannis has become sort
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of like Lamar Jackson if Lamar hadn't developed into a
great pocket passer. Yet there's very little dimension to Jannis's game,
and especially when you watch Wemby and you watch Jokich,
you just see different dimensions. It's a space and shooting
league and he hasn't developed one. So don't get me wrong,
He's an all time great and so with Shaq, and
he gets to the free throw line a ton, but
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he's only shooting sixty percent from the free throw line.
I think this morning we saw he has over one
hundred misses from the free throw line from second place
in the league. So again, very much like Shaq, but
Shaq played in a different era where bully ball was
good enough. Bully ball can dominate. It doesn't anymore, especially
if you don't hit your free throws. It's a space
and shooting league. And you watch Jokic, he's a point center.
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You watch Wemby breaking guys down on the angle. So
Yannis is a great athlete, but Draymon last night largely
shut him down.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And here was Steve Kerr after Draymond.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
That defense tonight on Yannis was incredible to hold him
to five field goals. Draymond showed why he's still one
of the great defenders in the world and why he's
so important to winning night after night.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, and again nobody's I'm not trying to dissuade you
that that Giannis isn't an all time great player. And
they got a title, but there there aren't a lot
of dimensions. And when you start comparing him it's like, yeah,
it does feel like he's easier to defend. You're not
gonna hold yokicch to five field goals. In fact, Draymond
Green would tell you Jokich is the one guy that
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nobody can defend. I mean, Draymond can't, nobody can't, Rudy
Gobert can't. And that's because there's so many things he
can do well. So, I mean, I still think he'd
be a great fit to the New York Knicks. But
you know, the NBA, we always talked about Dwight Howard.
You know, he aged really fast, and you know, the
big rebound, block shot guy without a lot of post moves.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
One day it mattered, one day it didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And for Draymond to shut him down like that shows
you you.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Can defend him. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Not a lot of guys are Draymond, but nobody's stopping
Joki consistently.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
No, no, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Let's start with the Cincinnati Bengals. Big big week for them.
They extended Jamar Chase and t Higgins, making both of
them two of the highest paid receivers in the NFL.
Joe Burrow we know campaigned big time for both of
his guys, and now they're staying in East. Thrilled, Burrow said,
we're paying the right guys. Guys who work are really
hard for what they have. Guys who aren't going to
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get complacent or anything like that. Guys who really care
about the product they put on the field, care about
the fans and the organization and the people in the
locker room.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
So listen, Joe Burrow got what he wanted right. Franchise
quarterback went to the owner, went to the coach. We
need to keep these guys.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
They kept them, and you almost never get in trouble.
Kansas City is a great example paying your greatest players
for the record. You could eventually move off one of
these players, Davonte Adams, you know, Green Bay Raiders, Jets,
Rams T Higgins in a couple of years. It doesn't
mean you have to keep people forever. What it means
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is now with the Ravens having the best roster arguably
in the sport and all these AFC teams now getting
legitimate quarterbacks, you got to bring you got to bring
the band back. Doesn't mean year to year you can't
move off players, but letting him go is so bad
for the locker room and sends such a bad sign
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to free agents, draft picks, coaches, scouts.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I think it's the right move.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
So the counter would be, the Cincinnati Bengals are the
only team in the NFL paying three guys. Yeah, twenty
eight or more million dollars. Yeah, next year. That's why
the big experiment. It is a huge roll of the dice.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, and they will not win a super Bowl because
of it.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
Will they get to the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I have them making the playoffs. I think they're a
playoff team. But we know of the fourteen playoff teams,
generally there's about four to five that we think are
complete enough to win a Super Bowl. They're gonna be
in the other eleven group or other ten group. But
I think there'll be a playoff team. And in Cincinnati, Burrow,
you just you get him into the playoffs. Last time
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he got to a super Bowl, he was a road quarterback.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
So Colin, my argument would be, when you look at
te Higgins, we love him, right. I know he's a
number two, maybe like a number one on some of
the bad teams in the league. Could you have paid
two or three receivers twenty eight milch you gave to
t Higgins and then you have more margin for error.
Te Higgins goes down with a broken hand or something
out four or five games, they're cooked. Jamar Chase goes
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down for a little while.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
They don't have.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Any margin for error. That would be my only cause
flow concerns.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That is how top heavy teams operate. And there are
very few Philadelphia Eagles. There's a lot more Dallas Cowboys
and Bengals where you've got three or four great players,
you pay him and you.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Don't have a ton of depth.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I mean, you saw the Rams made another move yesterday
to go get an inside linebacker poona Ford there. I
mean the ram are well run and they're still going
finding guys to plug gaps. So you know, the best
front office is beyond just the best players win, and
Cincinnati doesn't qualify for that.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
They've always been on the frugal side.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
They're all in on offense, and I get that it's
an offensive.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
If they're going to be all in on the side,
we can bang on them.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But Pittsburgh's all in on defense, and that's not at
least Cincinnati. He's got the quarterback right, the weapons right,
and they're spending money on the right side.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
Agree totally.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
Let's move on to the next story, and that's college
sports and nil money.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
So our staff broke down something super interesting.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
If you take a look at the bracket for March Madness,
five of the top eight seeds are coached by guys
who are sixty five years or older. And that's including
the retirements of coach k Jim Maheim, Roy Williams, and others.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
We had Tom Izzo on the show earlier this week.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Listen to what he had to say about the status
of college basketball.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Like Jay Wright, like Nick Saban, you know, those guys
are friends of mine.
Speaker 10 (17:57):
They decided to go another way. I'm too. I'm in
stubborn to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I guess I.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
Just figured that I got to get back to the basics.
Last year, I was on all kinds of committees.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I worried about it.
Speaker 10 (18:09):
This year, I kind of stuck the coach in my team,
and I've been lucky.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I mean again, Rick Patino said, you can complain or adapt, yes,
And I think in the end, you know, listen, I
think the teams that are really in trouble are packed
twelve teams like USC usually at Orega Washington. Who now
forget football where there's one game a week and only
six road games that you're constantly on the road with
your second tier sports, and college basketball is second tier
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compared to football. I think that I think Big Ten
teams will be fine the most of the travel the
Midwest teams are playing each other all the time, They'll
be fine. I mean, I don't think the Big Ten
has the athletes as the SEC and football or basketball.
But you can complain about all this stuff. California passed
the legislation for nil, you know, not shocking, kind of progressive.
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That's the future of college sports, so you can complain about. Listen,
if I was a college basketball coach, I've only got
to recruit four guys a year. How about college football?
It's twenty five to thirty. So college basketball coaches have
it easy compared to other bigger roster sports.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Yeah, I mean I did not realize, you know, we know,
iz those seventy Rick Barnes is seventy, Yeah, Patino is
seventy two.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
I mean Colin, let's be real, at seventy two years old,
you probably hope to be on a beach.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
In Saint Bart's for like three months out of the year. No,
and maybe you're skiing for two months, your bouncer. You're
not coaching college basketball.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I'll be on this mike into my mid eighties.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
I mean, it is weird because the whole you can't
teach an old dog new tricks and the raiders go
and higher.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
What eighty two year old Carol?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
But ask yourself this, I mean, who's the best? I know? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This really the bloggest fear won't want to hear this,
but most people over fifty five are better than most
people at twenty five at their jobs. Go look at
Silicon Valley. Oh it's a bunch of twenty year olds. Yeah,
Zuckerberg and the Google guys are not twenty nine years old.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Well, listen, it's tough to build something at fifty five
to sixty five years old. At twenty five years old,
you got the energy, you got the time.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You know. Tom Izzo's not building something that the program's rolling.
He makes the tournaments. Mark Fu's team makes the tournament
every year.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
Tino is the interesting one. He's building something from Saint
John's and he's like in.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
His early seven wee I ask yourself in the last
twenty five years? Who are the best coaches in the NFL?
Old Belichick, Old Andy Reid, Hardball's no Spring Chicken, The.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Hardball's shan a Hand.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
No, No, you could.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Get the occasional great young coach, but the league is.
Mcvay's got one Super Bowl and he's got more. Belichick's
got more. The old Tom Coughlin's the last time the
Giants were any good?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I mean, when's the last time New York Giants were viable?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Every year, old plum faced Tom Coughlin yelling at people.
Sean Payton one year turns around the Broncos. There is
there is wisdom with age, and I have no there's
no better coach right now in college basketball than Rick
Patino and Iszo and Bill self for in a short
list of the second coach.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Yeah, Duke's coaches what like thirty five years old?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
No?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
No, I think John Shire has done a great job,
but he just doesn't have as much life experience as
other guys do, and that stuff matters.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
It counts.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
I mean, I love sports, but I don't know that
it's seventy two years old and talk firing off tape.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
No, no about my day's kids.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Oh my takes will be hotter the time I get
to eighty. You'll need like oven Mitch to handle this microphone.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
He's all right, final story, let's wrap up. Obviously you
were up early watching the Dodgers. Yeah, just two and zero,
you know this. Roki Sazaki got off to the amazing start,
touching one hundred on the gun on his first three pitches. Hello,
he did walk a few guys but only gave up
one one and one hit.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
Colin Dodge's going undefeated, right, one sixty two and now.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
One fifty nine and three is on the table. Yeah. Uh,
there there was.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
A really good I'm trying to think of a baseball
team that didn't have a three game losing streak or
didn't lose a series.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
It was a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Uh, in the last decade, Like there was a team
that did not lose a series until like August. Well,
I can't see the Dodgers and unless they run into
I mean they're doing this now without a full lineup
four of their most viable players, you know, the Mookie
Beds and the Freddie Freeman and made the pitcher and
Show Hayes not pitching yet.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
This is not a fully staffed team.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
I don't gamble on baseball personally.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
However, I already had two buddies text me, hey, are
you fading the Dodgers when they returned from Tokyo because
of the trip and the trau, you.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Know, all that stuff. And I was like, do I
need to start looking at betting on the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Don't take it. I think they gave both the covers. Yeah,
they gave him time off.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Yeah, but still the bounce back after Tokyo. Guys are
already thinking about betting.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
On the Dodgers because that's how hot they are. Such
a great story of.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
This kid, this Isaki kid.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Oh yeah, I mean he can he can blow you
away off speed stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
He's really good. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
The herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Remember it was a couple of days. It goes Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And I said, there are certain sports debates that as
an adult, they're beneath you, like arguing who the sixty
eighth best team in college basketball is. Remember, everybody was
upset in West Virginia. The governor is is gonna be
legal action? And oh good hell North Carolina only got
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in because they're a big brand. I don't have a
problem with that. If it's the last playing game. I
mean again, CBS and TNT pay for the wedding. They
can't have one seating chart suggestion. So anyway, well, the
ad was a committee chairman.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
They won by twenty seven last night, led by forty,
which is unheard of in college basketball, and they're also
favored over number six seed Old miss from the best conference,
the SEC. The hand ringing, the pearl clutching West Virginia
outrage once again playing the victim. Oh my god, people,
(24:04):
I mean again, the JFK files are out. There's a
conspiracy theory. You can all pursue it. Just it never
fails that whenever we bash a team for like being
into the tournament, they get inspired by that, like North
Carolina and play their butts off for the next two games.
You see this in college football years ago, when a
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coach would complain about not getting a bull bid he wanted,
and that bled over to his team, and that team
would go into a bowl and get housed. And it's like,
if you enjoyed this forty eight hour West Virginia embarrassing
temper tantrum, for a team that went nineteen and thirteen.
The coach was so much about West Virginia. A day
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later he took the Indiana job.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Really, I'm fighting for us, I'm fighting for the University
Private Jet of Bloomington. It doesn't matter neither West Virginia
or Carolina are winning three or four games, but the
fact that Carolina, a bubble team, led by forty last night. Again,
if they would have been beaten by forty, all you
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West Virginia fans would have rushed to the innerweb to
remind us you were right. So we're here to remind
you you weren't. If you lead by forty and are
favorite over an SEC team, it's not an egregious pull
to get North Carolina in. Again, you to run to
the internet if they got smoked last night, So don't.
(25:35):
Well this doesn't make it right, no, but it makes
it legitimate. It's a legitimate team in the tournament. If
you're favored in your first official game in the tournament,
it's all arguing once you get to the end, once
you get out of the one, two, three, and four
seeds and some automatic stuff, well it's just all debates.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
So I will root for North Carolina. I've said befo.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I had somebody last night, I remember her name was
Jennifer came up and said, well, you won me seven
hundred dollars last year because I took Connecticut. Looking at
your bracket, Well, I said, who'd you take this year?
She is, I went to your bracket again and took Auburn.
And so I said, just to let you know, Auburn's
not as good as Connecticut. The SEC is great. She
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took all four of my picks.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You know why.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You know, it's funny about this. A lot of people
are saying, why didn't you take Duke. I'm always a
little reluctant when your best players a freshman. And I'm
not saying Cooper Flag's not great. But Duke's got a
couple of kids that are really young, whereas Arizona's got
like a fifth year Caleb loves like a fourth or
fifth year senior. Yeah, it's like, I think age matters.
(26:43):
We just talked about coaching age. I think it's hard
even if you have the beat. I mean, look at
John cal Pari, who's more than capable as a coach,
won one title. Why because his teams were all freshmen,
and he would get into these situational moments in a
freshman guard who, by the way, we'll get drafted number
four and have a nice NBA career at eighteen, the
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pressure of March Madness playing a junior or a senior
from Syracuse. I'll take the junior senior in that moment
in that game.
Speaker 8 (27:12):
That's a great point. UNC, though, has a good draw.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
They face ole Miss next, Yes, and ole Miss is
on like a three eleven and one against the spread
street They're not really playing well. I think UNC could
probably take down Michigan State.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
But your point on.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Duke is interesting because I know Cooper Flag is a freshman.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
He's only eighteen. He started the season at his seventeen
year old. Yeah, but Colin, you know the stat net
rating in the NBA. You look at that a lot.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Do you get the highest net rating in college basketball
in the last twenty years, Colin?
Speaker 8 (27:39):
Twenty years?
Speaker 7 (27:41):
That's insane, the last twenty years, the highest net rating
in the sport.
Speaker 10 (27:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, I mean I understand why people are betting him.
They've got the best player. It's a big brand and
they're very good. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying
is the conference they were in this year was not
close to the SEC. And I think what you're gonna see.
I think you're gonna see Tennessee, Florida, Auburn. You're gonna
see some of these SEC teams that were in incredibly intense,
(28:10):
soldout arenas NBA bodies everywhere. We saw this for years
in college football when the SEC ruled teams would go
to the SCC from the SEC would be like a
number five SEC team. They'd go to like the Sun
Bowl or some bowl game and they play number two
or three team from their conference and roll them because
they've been in all these high leverage, intense games against
pro level athletes. So I think the SEC is gonna
(28:33):
Now they may not win it, but I think the
SEC by the end of this weekend, you're gonna be like, yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
So they have fourteen teams in the field.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Okay, what if they go I don't know, like you know,
they lose like five games on Thursday.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
That's possible. Are people can owe SEC overrated?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yes, fourteen teams?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well yeah, if people will say that and they will
have teams lose. Ole Miss could be one of them.
But if you and again you watch more college basketball
than me. But I came to you mid January on
the air. I remember a couple of times I said,
are you watching some of these SEC games?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
They jumped off the TV.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
More skill from the perimeter, more, I would say, more
balance offense, the defense like the Big Ten, Michigan is size,
Michigan State is defense. Wisconsin. I'm not sure what they
are offensively. The Big Ten's got a style. SEC's got
better athletes, and I think they have just more dexterity offensively.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
What's your excitement level on watching the games like all day?
Are you like sitting from the best Yeah, yeah, yeah,
No March.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
Unless you want to go to a watering hole at
some point.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
No, No, I don't know. I just sit down. Why.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I like how they bring in new games, kind of
red zone it where you're getting, you know. I think
it's one of the great weekends in sports in America.
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Interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Jalen Milroll, the Bama quarterback, just ran a four to
three seven at the Alabama Pro Day, which that's an
insane forty time for a quarterback. It's good for every
position in football, that is. And I think I told
everybody here a month ago, I was told by an
NFL exec he was Anthony Richardson, except more explosive as
(31:33):
a runner. So great kid, great family, unbelievable athlete, but
had more rushing touchdowns at Alabama than passing touchdowns. I
think he'll be as good as where he falls if
he could get his Sean Payton. You set him for
a year. Interesting, but I mean that's just somebody. I
said he's gonna get drafted in the first round four
(31:55):
to three seven quarterback. Somebody's reaching on him, even though
he's a bit McCarey ancle and doesn't feel ready to
start in the NFL. With that, Albert Breer joins US Live,
that is an eye popping forty yard bet.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
Yeah, yeah, I have a couple. I had a couple
of Scots on the ground. I just texted with it.
We're both of them that I talked to so far,
we're at four four five. But that's still insane for
a quarterback. It's very very fast.
Speaker 13 (32:22):
I think, like you said, though, Colins sort of what
we already knew about him, you know, like that he
does have freakish athletic ability and like the easy compas
to another guy who played at BAMMA, which is Jalen Hurts,
who had a long way to go as a pastor
coming into the NFL. Yeah, but one thing a couple
of a couple of guys who evaluated both have have
told me is to be Jalen Milroe. You you're you're
(32:44):
to be Jalen Hurts. You're You're walking a very narrow path.
He was special as a competitor, special from a work
ethics standpoint, special football character and can't get along with everybody.
And I think that's been documented over the last couple
of years. But I mean Jalen Hurst just as a
worker as a plus and worked himself into the player
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that he is now. And so like that's what's luck
for scouts now is to look at it with Jalen
Milroe and look at the distance he's got to go
as a passer to be an effective NFL quarterback, and
then try to determine whether or not he's got you
know upstairs, and it has got what Jalen Hurts had
(33:26):
to make himself into what he is today.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, okay, So listen, the Minnesota situation has been weird.
They're gonna keep Darnold, Daniel Jones, They're interested in Aaron Rodgers.
It tells me that second surgery in mid November maybe
did it take or are they not sure whatever, But
so let's start with that before we get to Aaron.
What it's like been so many like quarterbacks that have
(33:51):
been discussed. It leads me to be like suspicious of
Is J J. McCarthy healthy.
Speaker 13 (33:59):
Yes, so I think he is now. And the second
surgery was more of a cleanup. He did lose a
lot of weight and he lost four months of on
field development time. And I think I've been you know,
we've been through that, you and I on the show
a couple of times now, where you.
Speaker 10 (34:15):
Know, I think they're optimistic about where he is.
Speaker 13 (34:17):
They liked where he is the first with where he
was the first week of August, the point where it
was could we actually play this kid this year?
Speaker 10 (34:24):
That was the discussion at the time, right before he
got hurt.
Speaker 13 (34:28):
And so now I think they feel good about where
he is going into the season.
Speaker 10 (34:32):
But but and this is a big butt.
Speaker 13 (34:35):
Do you feel comfortable enough where you're going to stake
the team that you have to JJ McCarthy and JJ
McCarthy alone.
Speaker 10 (34:42):
And the answer to this point of the offseason has
been no.
Speaker 13 (34:45):
Right like because they did make an offer to bring
Sam Darnold back. They did make an offer to Daniel
Jones to come back too, and that was in the
ballpark of what Indianapolis gave him the one year, fourteen
million dollar deal that he's signed there with the Colts.
So you know, I think it's I think it can
be both things. They like JJ, they like where he is,
but this is not a rebuilding team. This is a
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This is a team at won fourteen games a year ago.
Speaker 10 (35:10):
And you owe it.
Speaker 13 (35:11):
If you're Kevin O'Connell, Koisiadelflamensa, all the guys there to
the Harrison Smiths, the Andrew van Ginkels, the Jonathan grenard Is,
the Byron Murphy's, the Justin Jeffersons, the Christian darrisaws to
give them the best possible answer you can at quarterback,
and so I think that's why they were looking at
high end insurance policies. I think that's what Darnold and
Jones would have been and that's why the discussion was
(35:34):
different on Aaron Rodgers, where you know, if you bring
in Aaron Rodgers, that ain't an insurance policy. That's jamming
on the pause button on the JJ McCarthy era and
say you got to wait another year, kid, which you
know could go a bunch of different ways.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Aaron Rodgers and retirement, it feels very real to me.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
To me, it does, does it to you?
Speaker 13 (35:55):
I wouldn't rule anything out, you know, I mean, Aaron's
his own guy. And you know I've said all along
this could this could happen in ten minutes, This could
happen in ten days, This could happen in ten weeks.
You know, I don't think he wants to go out
the way he went out last year. I had a
long conversation with him over the summer where he said
he didn't want to go out the way he went
(36:15):
out in twenty twenty three, which was.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
With the Achilles injury. If he didn't want to go
out hurt.
Speaker 13 (36:21):
I would assume he wouldn't want to go out playing
the way the Jets did at the end of the
year last year, and that was just a dumpster fire
of a season from start to finish for everyone involved.
Speaker 10 (36:30):
So I do.
Speaker 13 (36:31):
Think he has it, you know, in his head, that
he wants to take one more swing in it. It's
what he actually said to the Jets in their exit meetings,
you know, when they were deciding what to do, was
that he did plan on playing in twenty twenty five.
Plans can change, and I think that's going to, you know,
really ride on how he views the Steelers and how
he views the Jets. And right now, to me, the
(36:53):
Giants I meant, right now, to me the Giants and Jets,
the Giants are sort of analogous to what the Jets
were when he went there to years ago, where you've
got a promising young core and you're asking Aaron Rodgers
to come in and lift all those guys up.
Speaker 10 (37:05):
Right, So Malik Neighbors, Andrew.
Speaker 13 (37:08):
Thomas, you know, Dexter, Lawrence Kevon Thibodeau, Brian Burns, they're
asking him to come in and take a franchise that's
been down for a while and lift it up, whereas
with the Steelers it is different.
Speaker 10 (37:19):
He's jumping on a moving train. You know. TJ.
Speaker 13 (37:21):
Watt's gonna be thirty one. Make if it's Patrick's gonna
be twenty nine. Cam Hayward is at the very end
of his career. They traded for DK Metcalf. He's on
his third contract. I think, you know, going to Pittsburgh,
he'd be kind of syncing up with some more of
his peers, and it'd be a different deal in Pittsburgh
where he's more the final piece than somebody who's gonna
lift all boats.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Okay, so you know your feet on the ground. Final
question in Shaudor Sanders I said yesterday, there's like four
teams that have to get a quarterback. I mean, like,
I mean, you can almost look at the draft a
year from now when you have a sense of who's
going to be up there if they don't get one.
I can't see Chador dropping. Is a lot of this
(38:02):
just smoke messaging sent out by teams Chadeur's dropping or
is there some office authentic authenticity to this rumor that
he's dropping?
Speaker 13 (38:14):
I think Chur's just the type of prospect that like,
not everybody's gonna love. And the reason I say that
is because he doesn't have the special physical gifts that
you normally see out of a top five pick. The
cam Ward teams watch him and they could say, okay,
like there's a ceiling there. He might be much greater
in three or four years than he is right now,
(38:36):
and we can chase that ceiling with him. And if
you're you know, the Titans of the Browns and you're
in the AFC and you got to contend with Lamar
and Burrow and Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes, and then
you know on on the next level below that guy's
like c. J.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
Stroud and Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert.
Speaker 13 (38:53):
You could you can close your eyes and envision cam
Ward really elevating over the next.
Speaker 10 (38:57):
Couple of years.
Speaker 13 (38:58):
Whereas with Shador Sanders, he's not a great athlete, doesn't
have an explosive arm, and so for Shador, I think
it's going to come down to fit. And that's where
I think there's a little bit of a comp here
to bon Nix last year, where you know, bo Nicks
wasn't for everybody and I had a hard time finding
many teams that viewed boat Knicks as a first round prospect,
but that didn't matter because Bo Nicks had a team
(39:20):
out there that was a very good fit for him,
that had a quarterback need, and the Broncos wind up
taking him twelfth overall. He has a great rookie year
and now no one remembers how he was talked about
a year ago. So for me, this is sort of that.
That's where it is for Shador Sanders is can you
find a team that is that level of fit for you,
the type the kind of fit that that Bo Nicks
(39:42):
found with the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, that you know it if you take out the
all time like Jayden Daniels, I think probably works everywhere.
It looks like now, but almost ninety percent of these
quarterbacks are very beholden to fit, getting the sharp coordinator,
good offensive line.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I mean, it's Elton is Kleable.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
It was a bit of a mess last year when
they were on the third coach. So we'll just say
once again that Jalen Milroe ran a historically fast forty.
I don't know what it means. I know Pittsburgh had
dinner with him last night. That's something I guess I
don't know. I guess everybody does at at some point.
Speaker 13 (40:18):
So he'd be a good fit for the Steelers though,
like I do. I mean, they have some of the
stuff built in working with Justin Fields last year, and
you know, certainly, like you said, he's a good kid,
so he'd probably be a program fit for them as well.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
All right, Albert Breer, Yeah, four three seven? Are we
looking at it right now?
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Is this live? Okay, here's your core?
Speaker 10 (40:37):
There you go. Man, he's a he's a big kid too.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Huh, Yeah, that's not that's not Brady's combine.
Speaker 13 (40:47):
Wow, all right, Albert, the jail on Jalen Milroe doesn't
need to bit wear the baggy white shirt that Tom
was wearing for his combine.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, good stuff, thanks man.
Speaker 10 (40:56):
All right, thanks calling.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, I've said this before.
Milki once told me years ago, he said, I get
lied to a lot in March and April. So sometimes
with the chadur stuff, I do wonder if it's just
being thrown out there and people are like, yeah, I
don't know. I mean, if you need a quarterback, he's
definitely not a second or third Kenny Pickett was drafted
in the first round. I had an NFL exec with
multiple rings that told me he's a third round prospect.
(41:21):
Nobody has told me that was Schadeur. Some have said
he could drop, but he's not a He's not a
mid second in this draft a week draft, Chadure is
a first round prospect.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
You remember when you showed the Jalen miro thing. What
everybody got excited when they met Anthony Richardson's.
Speaker 8 (41:37):
This hulking hum among this guy. Did you see Jalen
milro Brick there.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
He's wearing like the short shorts rocked up, looked like
there's zero fat on him.
Speaker 8 (41:44):
He's gonna meet teams are gonna be like, I want
that guy as Mike quarterback.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Although historically not a lot of six pack abs, and it's.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
The Hall of Fame at quarterback.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
You could take your dad, Bob Mahomes.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
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Jmac more Baseball at three forty five in the morning,
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(00:47):
magnesium commitment to MLB action. Early, We've got news on
Aaron Rodgers. Very interesting last night. What developed with the
Warriors in the Milwaukee Buck something that's happening and pretty obvious.
So you ready to go? Are we ready to have
a killer Wednesday show?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
He said?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
He is, Oh, so here it's official. It is official.
The Minnesota Vikings the.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Best option for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's over. They said, not interested. We're gonna go with
JJ McCarthy. So now Aaron is left to the offensively
tone deaf Pittsburgh Steelers who just lost their left tackling
Najie Harris and can't get the on line right. Or
the New York Giants who have been in like an
eight nine, ten year rebuild. That's what he's left with.
(01:40):
It's got a Nicholas Cage feel, big production, big personality,
big revenue. Once it dips, movie studios and NFL teams
are like, yeah, you're a little quirky for us. His
best option more walks on the beach in Malibu. Hey,
the JFK files were released. Maybe that'll be it. But
his last thirty starts two different organizations, one of them
(02:03):
a really good one eleven and nineteen twenty four giveaways
and a passer rating below ninety and a lot of
moodiness and a lot of drama. And great NFL quarterbacks
basically fall into two categories, great and low maintenance Lamar Jackson,
Mahomes Brady, you know, breeze and then great quarterbacks with
(02:28):
some maintenance, sometimes high maintenance, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, Big
Ben And here's what I know.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
That second group they never age as well.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Ever ever age as well.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And that's Aaron's group.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Now he's always been and I don't think I'm taking
a shot a little combative even with his family. He's
been moody, he's been at times arrogant. You could read
Ian O'Connor's amazing book I did. You could go back
to NFL Draft Night. You can go back to Jeff
Pearlman's book or Ian O'Connors when you know he's poking
(03:05):
the great Brett fav in the ribs. That's who he is.
And it's okay to be defiant for any of us
in our prime, but you better pivot to compliant when
you're out of your prime. A lot of movie stars
don't and they don't get the offers, and Aaron Rodgers
(03:25):
didn't and he's not getting them either. Once you are
out of the great years, you could be a high
end chef, a quarterback, a movie star, a law partner.
You lose your fastball. You got to go from defiant
to compliant at least occasionally. And I thought it was
very interesting this week, as the Steelers are now one
(03:48):
of his options. The former Walter Payton Man of the Year,
the highly respected team leader Cam Hayward, talking about Aaron
making teams like the Steeler.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Wait, I ain't doing that or darkness Darkness retreat retreat.
I don't mean any of that crap. Like, either you
want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler you don't. That's that's simple.
That's the pitch, Like if you want me to recruit,
that's the recruiting pitch. You know, Pittsburgh Steelers. If you
want to be part of it, so be it. If
you don't, no skin on my back.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
That is one of the most respected NFL players, not
just on the Steelers, top ten in the league. I'm
not into that darkness retreat crap.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
If one of your friends went on one of those
outside of Hollywood, it's kind of an eye roll, right
the Woods of Oregon, I mean ayahuasca. I get artists
doing that. I'm all for ayahuasca. Never gonna take it,
never did, but I get creative types. But when Cam
Hayward's like, I'm not going to do that darkness retreat crap,
I'm sorry. That's what a lot of people are saying,
(04:59):
Like Nicholas k Once the production drops, people kind of
feel like, yeah, maybe a little quirky for us, not
a bad guy. But little quirky for us. It's now
down to the Steelers, the Giants, or hey, the best option,
in my opinion, walks on the beach in Malibu. All right, well,
(05:19):
once again set the alarm clock a little tougher to
get up. Second morning in a row, at the three
point fifty in the morning. I'm not gonna lie to you,
but it was on f fast one and the greatest
baseball player ever. Yeah, it's not particularly close ever, put
on a show.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Well, two two pitch and he sends one deep all
towards right center field, back at the wall, and it
is off the very top of the wall, nearly a
home run, and now they're gonna rule it perhaps as
a home run it is. They kept it in play
for a moment, but Otani cranks one out and he
(05:59):
gives the fans what they've been waiting.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
For this first of the year.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Man, is there anybody in sports right now that meets
the moment?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Like show?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
It is very messy and MJ and Tiger in his prime,
Stephen Lebron, dude meets the moment and never forget this.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
He's a leadoff hitter.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Okay, why because he's so fast? First fifty to fifty plot.
He's so fast they bat him lean up, leadoff. He
could also about second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth seven. You
can put him anywhere you want, and he could be
an All Star pitcher. Half of his greatest skill he's
not even using yet, the pitching part. Okay, Mahomes can't
(06:38):
play linebacker. Ovechkin's not a goalie. What you're seeing now
is making Bryce Harper and Aaron Judge, all time great
players feel small. You get no ego with Otani, so
you take him off the Dodgers. They could still win
the World Series. You put him on the Dodgers. I
don't know who's stopping this freight train. They should change
(07:01):
that Major League Baseball video game from MLB The Show
to MLB Show Hay, because it feels like a video
game leading base dealer power hitter for average all star pitcher.
I again, you take him off the Dodgers. When Freeman
and Bets are there and Dusty mains back, that's the
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mayback that still can be favorites.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Win the World's here.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
You put him on the Dodgers, and just think of
the nerves and the electricity playing in Tokyo for show
Hay yesterday, a couple of hits. Today the home run
completely rises to the moment. Babe Ruth didn't run like this.
Babe Ruth was cigars and beer and a belly. And
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this cat is totally This's the best athlete in America.
There's nothing like him. And forget Babe Ruth, there has
never been a pro athlete in America like this. I mean,
would any of you if he put this into football,
he'd be a tight end, or if he wanted to
play basketball. I mean it just when you put him
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next to other great players, we are watching history. Just
put the camera on him. It's Tiger and his prime.
Just watching him walk up the fairway as special. Here's
Dave Roberts.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
After show Hey puts his pants on, just like we
all do, one leg at a time. But if there's
ever a superhero, I think show Hey just seems like
a superhero. And in the biggest of games or the
biggest of moments, he seems to always deliver.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And I felt the Cubs are going to be a
good team, and last year the Yankees and the Podres
and the Mets were good teams. But when you watch this,
all star team that includes O Tawny Man. Everybody looks
everybody looks average.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Cubs are a good team, but you.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Go to the bullpen against the Dodgers, we wish you
the very best of luck, but they're and they're doing
it right now without a full lineup. They've got two
potential All star level pitchers, two all star physition players
not playing pretty special. Dodgers start the season two and zero.
So J Mac, the Aaron Rodgers news is you and
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I have kind of been confused by Minnesota. There was
the Darnald may Ree sign Daniel Jones last year, Aaron
Rodgers flirtation. I've not quite understood all of it. My
take is that November surgery. There's still some questions for
JJ McCarthy, but this was the best spot for Aaron
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left tackle, receivers, coach, momentum, play indoors know the division
that this was easily the best situation.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Certainly, you know he wanted to be in Minnesota right
given the setup there, But I just you got to
feel bad.
Speaker 8 (10:01):
For the guy at this point. Yeah, nobody wants him.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, I think I think people would take him, but
it's the terms are different. Now, you know the terms
used to be. You know, when you're in your prime
and you're great, the terms are your terms. You have
you have the leverage, you have the pull the levers.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Uh, he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And so it's it's kind of dried up. And and
also when you get to this age to be one thing,
if you're twenty seven and you're like, listen, i'm gonna
I'm gonna go vacation, I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna
train if you want me, I'm out there. It's not
the way it works. When you're forty. You you you
if you're not training every day, spending a million bucks
to get elite and stay elite, you age. I mean
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you age fast in this lead to begin with. You
really age fast when you're not at practice every day.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Remember Tom Brady was like, I'm leaving the Patriots. Who's interested?
And there were people clamoring for his services. Yeah, Aaron
Rodgers now on the market. Kind of crickets.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd
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Speaker 1 (11:02):
And we'll get to what Draymond did last night. He
was remarkable against Giannis, and I'll get to that in
a couple of minutes. He was shut him down to
a large degree. So Steph takes the night off and
the Warriors win, you know, kind of going away. And
it's interesting when you watch Jokich over the last two
to three years and you watch Wemby last year as
a rookie in this year, it makes Yannis look much
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more incomplete. He doesn't shoot, doesn't he never developed a
mid range game. He doesn't shoot a three, and so
it's all about a physical mismatch and getting to the basket,
which he does, but that takes a physical toll on you.
All you have to do is go ask Shack. But
the time Shaq hit thirty two and thirty three, he
wasn't quite the same player. So Jannis has become sort
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of like Lamar Jackson if Lamar hadn't developed into a
great pocket passer. Yet there's very little dimension to Jannis's game,
and especially when you watch Wemby and you watch Jokich,
you just see different dimensions. It's a space and shooting
league and he hasn't developed one. So don't get me wrong,
He's an all time great and so with Shaq, and
he gets to the free throw line a ton, but
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he's only shooting sixty percent from the free throw line.
I think this morning we saw he has over one
hundred misses from the free throw line from second place
in the league. So again, very much like Shaq, but
Shaq played in a different era where bully ball was
good enough. Bully ball can dominate. It doesn't anymore, especially
if you don't hit your free throws. It's a space
and shooting league. And you watch Jokic, he's a point center.
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You watch Wemby breaking guys down on the angle. So
Yannis is a great athlete, but Draymon last night largely
shut him down.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And here was Steve Kerr after Draymond.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
That defense tonight on Yannis was incredible to hold him
to five field goals. Draymond showed why he's still one
of the great defenders in the world and why he's
so important to winning night after night.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, and again nobody's I'm not trying to dissuade you
that that Giannis isn't an all time great player. And
they got a title, but there there aren't a lot
of dimensions. And when you start comparing him it's like, yeah,
it does feel like he's easier to defend. You're not
gonna hold yokicch to five field goals. In fact, Draymond
Green would tell you Jokich is the one guy that
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nobody can defend. I mean, Draymond can't, nobody can't, Rudy
Gobert can't. And that's because there's so many things he
can do well. So, I mean, I still think he'd
be a great fit to the New York Knicks. But
you know, the NBA, we always talked about Dwight Howard.
You know, he aged really fast, and you know, the
big rebound, block shot guy without a lot of post moves.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
One day it mattered, one day it didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And for Draymond to shut him down like that shows
you you.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Can defend him. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Not a lot of guys are Draymond, but nobody's stopping
Joki consistently.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
No, no, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Let's start with the Cincinnati Bengals. Big big week for them.
They extended Jamar Chase and t Higgins, making both of
them two of the highest paid receivers in the NFL.
Joe Burrow we know campaigned big time for both of
his guys, and now they're staying in East. Thrilled, Burrow said,
we're paying the right guys. Guys who work are really
hard for what they have. Guys who aren't going to
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get complacent or anything like that. Guys who really care
about the product they put on the field, care about
the fans and the organization and the people in the
locker room.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
So listen, Joe Burrow got what he wanted right. Franchise
quarterback went to the owner, went to the coach. We
need to keep these guys.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
They kept them, and you almost never get in trouble.
Kansas City is a great example paying your greatest players
for the record. You could eventually move off one of
these players, Davonte Adams, you know, Green Bay Raiders, Jets,
Rams T Higgins in a couple of years. It doesn't
mean you have to keep people forever. What it means
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is now with the Ravens having the best roster arguably
in the sport and all these AFC teams now getting
legitimate quarterbacks, you got to bring you got to bring
the band back. Doesn't mean year to year you can't
move off players, but letting him go is so bad
for the locker room and sends such a bad sign
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to free agents, draft picks, coaches, scouts.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I think it's the right move.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
So the counter would be, the Cincinnati Bengals are the
only team in the NFL paying three guys. Yeah, twenty
eight or more million dollars. Yeah, next year. That's why
the big experiment. It is a huge roll of the dice.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, and they will not win a super Bowl because
of it.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
Will they get to the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I have them making the playoffs. I think they're a
playoff team. But we know of the fourteen playoff teams,
generally there's about four to five that we think are
complete enough to win a Super Bowl. They're gonna be
in the other eleven group or other ten group. But
I think there'll be a playoff team. And in Cincinnati, Burrow,
you just you get him into the playoffs. Last time
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he got to a super Bowl, he was a road quarterback.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
So Colin, my argument would be, when you look at
te Higgins, we love him, right. I know he's a
number two, maybe like a number one on some of
the bad teams in the league. Could you have paid
two or three receivers twenty eight milch you gave to
t Higgins and then you have more margin for error.
Te Higgins goes down with a broken hand or something
out four or five games, they're cooked. Jamar Chase goes
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down for a little while.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
They don't have.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Any margin for error. That would be my only cause
flow concerns.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That is how top heavy teams operate. And there are
very few Philadelphia Eagles. There's a lot more Dallas Cowboys
and Bengals where you've got three or four great players,
you pay him and you.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Don't have a ton of depth.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I mean, you saw the Rams made another move yesterday
to go get an inside linebacker poona Ford there. I
mean the ram are well run and they're still going
finding guys to plug gaps. So you know, the best
front office is beyond just the best players win, and
Cincinnati doesn't qualify for that.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
They've always been on the frugal side.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
They're all in on offense, and I get that it's
an offensive.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
If they're going to be all in on the side,
we can bang on them.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But Pittsburgh's all in on defense, and that's not at
least Cincinnati. He's got the quarterback right, the weapons right,
and they're spending money on the right side.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
Agree totally.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
Let's move on to the next story, and that's college
sports and nil money.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
So our staff broke down something super interesting.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
If you take a look at the bracket for March Madness,
five of the top eight seeds are coached by guys
who are sixty five years or older. And that's including
the retirements of coach k Jim Maheim, Roy Williams, and others.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
We had Tom Izzo on the show earlier this week.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Listen to what he had to say about the status
of college basketball.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Like Jay Wright, like Nick Saban, you know, those guys
are friends of mine.
Speaker 10 (17:57):
They decided to go another way. I'm too. I'm in
stubborn to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I guess I.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
Just figured that I got to get back to the basics.
Last year, I was on all kinds of committees.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I worried about it.
Speaker 10 (18:09):
This year, I kind of stuck the coach in my team,
and I've been lucky.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I mean again, Rick Patino said, you can complain or adapt, yes,
And I think in the end, you know, listen, I
think the teams that are really in trouble are packed
twelve teams like USC usually at Orega Washington. Who now
forget football where there's one game a week and only
six road games that you're constantly on the road with
your second tier sports, and college basketball is second tier
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compared to football. I think that I think Big Ten
teams will be fine the most of the travel the
Midwest teams are playing each other all the time, They'll
be fine. I mean, I don't think the Big Ten
has the athletes as the SEC and football or basketball.
But you can complain about all this stuff. California passed
the legislation for nil, you know, not shocking, kind of progressive.
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That's the future of college sports, so you can complain about. Listen,
if I was a college basketball coach, I've only got
to recruit four guys a year. How about college football?
It's twenty five to thirty. So college basketball coaches have
it easy compared to other bigger roster sports.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Yeah, I mean I did not realize, you know, we know,
iz those seventy Rick Barnes is seventy, Yeah, Patino is
seventy two.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
I mean Colin, let's be real, at seventy two years old,
you probably hope to be on a beach.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
In Saint Bart's for like three months out of the year. No,
and maybe you're skiing for two months, your bouncer. You're
not coaching college basketball.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I'll be on this mike into my mid eighties.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
I mean, it is weird because the whole you can't
teach an old dog new tricks and the raiders go
and higher.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
What eighty two year old Carol?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
But ask yourself this, I mean, who's the best? I know? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This really the bloggest fear won't want to hear this,
but most people over fifty five are better than most
people at twenty five at their jobs. Go look at
Silicon Valley. Oh it's a bunch of twenty year olds. Yeah,
Zuckerberg and the Google guys are not twenty nine years old.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Well, listen, it's tough to build something at fifty five
to sixty five years old. At twenty five years old,
you got the energy, you got the time.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You know. Tom Izzo's not building something that the program's rolling.
He makes the tournaments. Mark Fu's team makes the tournament
every year.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
Tino is the interesting one. He's building something from Saint
John's and he's like in.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
His early seven wee I ask yourself in the last
twenty five years? Who are the best coaches in the NFL?
Old Belichick, Old Andy Reid, Hardball's no Spring Chicken, The.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Hardball's shan a Hand.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
No, No, you could.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Get the occasional great young coach, but the league is.
Mcvay's got one Super Bowl and he's got more. Belichick's
got more. The old Tom Coughlin's the last time the
Giants were any good?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I mean, when's the last time New York Giants were viable?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Every year, old plum faced Tom Coughlin yelling at people.
Sean Payton one year turns around the Broncos. There is
there is wisdom with age, and I have no there's
no better coach right now in college basketball than Rick
Patino and Iszo and Bill self for in a short
list of the second coach.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Yeah, Duke's coaches what like thirty five years old?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
No?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
No, I think John Shire has done a great job,
but he just doesn't have as much life experience as
other guys do, and that stuff matters.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
It counts.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
I mean, I love sports, but I don't know that
it's seventy two years old and talk firing off tape.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
No, no about my day's kids.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Oh my takes will be hotter the time I get
to eighty. You'll need like oven Mitch to handle this microphone.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
He's all right, final story, let's wrap up. Obviously you
were up early watching the Dodgers. Yeah, just two and zero,
you know this. Roki Sazaki got off to the amazing start,
touching one hundred on the gun on his first three pitches. Hello,
he did walk a few guys but only gave up
one one and one hit.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
Colin Dodge's going undefeated, right, one sixty two and now.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
One fifty nine and three is on the table. Yeah. Uh,
there there was.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
A really good I'm trying to think of a baseball
team that didn't have a three game losing streak or
didn't lose a series.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
It was a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Uh, in the last decade, Like there was a team
that did not lose a series until like August. Well,
I can't see the Dodgers and unless they run into
I mean they're doing this now without a full lineup
four of their most viable players, you know, the Mookie
Beds and the Freddie Freeman and made the pitcher and
Show Hayes not pitching yet.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
This is not a fully staffed team.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
I don't gamble on baseball personally.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
However, I already had two buddies text me, hey, are
you fading the Dodgers when they returned from Tokyo because
of the trip and the trau, you.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Know, all that stuff. And I was like, do I
need to start looking at betting on the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Don't take it. I think they gave both the covers. Yeah,
they gave him time off.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Yeah, but still the bounce back after Tokyo. Guys are
already thinking about betting.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
On the Dodgers because that's how hot they are. Such
a great story of.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
This kid, this Isaki kid.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Oh yeah, I mean he can he can blow you
away off speed stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
He's really good. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
The herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Remember it was a couple of days. It goes Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And I said, there are certain sports debates that as
an adult, they're beneath you, like arguing who the sixty
eighth best team in college basketball is. Remember, everybody was
upset in West Virginia. The governor is is gonna be
legal action? And oh good hell North Carolina only got
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in because they're a big brand. I don't have a
problem with that. If it's the last playing game. I
mean again, CBS and TNT pay for the wedding. They
can't have one seating chart suggestion. So anyway, well, the
ad was a committee chairman.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
They won by twenty seven last night, led by forty,
which is unheard of in college basketball, and they're also
favored over number six seed Old miss from the best conference,
the SEC. The hand ringing, the pearl clutching West Virginia
outrage once again playing the victim. Oh my god, people,
(24:04):
I mean again, the JFK files are out. There's a
conspiracy theory. You can all pursue it. Just it never
fails that whenever we bash a team for like being
into the tournament, they get inspired by that, like North
Carolina and play their butts off for the next two games.
You see this in college football years ago, when a
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coach would complain about not getting a bull bid he wanted,
and that bled over to his team, and that team
would go into a bowl and get housed. And it's like,
if you enjoyed this forty eight hour West Virginia embarrassing
temper tantrum, for a team that went nineteen and thirteen.
The coach was so much about West Virginia. A day
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later he took the Indiana job.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Really, I'm fighting for us, I'm fighting for the University
Private Jet of Bloomington. It doesn't matter neither West Virginia
or Carolina are winning three or four games, but the
fact that Carolina, a bubble team, led by forty last night. Again,
if they would have been beaten by forty, all you
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West Virginia fans would have rushed to the innerweb to
remind us you were right. So we're here to remind
you you weren't. If you lead by forty and are
favorite over an SEC team, it's not an egregious pull
to get North Carolina in. Again, you to run to
the internet if they got smoked last night, So don't.
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Well this doesn't make it right, no, but it makes
it legitimate. It's a legitimate team in the tournament. If
you're favored in your first official game in the tournament,
it's all arguing once you get to the end, once
you get out of the one, two, three, and four
seeds and some automatic stuff, well it's just all debates.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
So I will root for North Carolina. I've said befo.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I had somebody last night, I remember her name was
Jennifer came up and said, well, you won me seven
hundred dollars last year because I took Connecticut. Looking at
your bracket, Well, I said, who'd you take this year?
She is, I went to your bracket again and took Auburn.
And so I said, just to let you know, Auburn's
not as good as Connecticut. The SEC is great. She
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took all four of my picks.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You know why.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You know, it's funny about this. A lot of people
are saying, why didn't you take Duke. I'm always a
little reluctant when your best players a freshman. And I'm
not saying Cooper Flag's not great. But Duke's got a
couple of kids that are really young, whereas Arizona's got
like a fifth year Caleb loves like a fourth or
fifth year senior. Yeah, it's like, I think age matters.
(26:43):
We just talked about coaching age. I think it's hard
even if you have the beat. I mean, look at
John cal Pari, who's more than capable as a coach,
won one title. Why because his teams were all freshmen,
and he would get into these situational moments in a
freshman guard who, by the way, we'll get drafted number
four and have a nice NBA career at eighteen, the
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pressure of March Madness playing a junior or a senior
from Syracuse. I'll take the junior senior in that moment
in that game.
Speaker 8 (27:12):
That's a great point. UNC, though, has a good draw.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
They face ole Miss next, Yes, and ole Miss is
on like a three eleven and one against the spread
street They're not really playing well. I think UNC could
probably take down Michigan State.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
But your point on.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Duke is interesting because I know Cooper Flag is a freshman.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
He's only eighteen. He started the season at his seventeen
year old. Yeah, but Colin, you know the stat net
rating in the NBA. You look at that a lot.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Do you get the highest net rating in college basketball
in the last twenty years, Colin?
Speaker 8 (27:39):
Twenty years?
Speaker 7 (27:41):
That's insane, the last twenty years, the highest net rating
in the sport.
Speaker 10 (27:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, I mean I understand why people are betting him.
They've got the best player. It's a big brand and
they're very good. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying
is the conference they were in this year was not
close to the SEC. And I think what you're gonna see.
I think you're gonna see Tennessee, Florida, Auburn. You're gonna
see some of these SEC teams that were in incredibly intense,
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soldout arenas NBA bodies everywhere. We saw this for years
in college football when the SEC ruled teams would go
to the SCC from the SEC would be like a
number five SEC team. They'd go to like the Sun
Bowl or some bowl game and they play number two
or three team from their conference and roll them because
they've been in all these high leverage, intense games against
pro level athletes. So I think the SEC is gonna
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Now they may not win it, but I think the
SEC by the end of this weekend, you're gonna be like, yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
So they have fourteen teams in the field.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Okay, what if they go I don't know, like you know,
they lose like five games on Thursday.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
That's possible. Are people can owe SEC overrated?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yes, fourteen teams?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well yeah, if people will say that and they will
have teams lose. Ole Miss could be one of them.
But if you and again you watch more college basketball
than me. But I came to you mid January on
the air. I remember a couple of times I said,
are you watching some of these SEC games?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
They jumped off the TV.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
More skill from the perimeter, more, I would say, more
balance offense, the defense like the Big Ten, Michigan is size,
Michigan State is defense. Wisconsin. I'm not sure what they
are offensively. The Big Ten's got a style. SEC's got
better athletes, and I think they have just more dexterity offensively.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
What's your excitement level on watching the games like all day?
Are you like sitting from the best Yeah, yeah, yeah,
No March.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
Unless you want to go to a watering hole at
some point.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
No, No, I don't know. I just sit down. Why.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I like how they bring in new games, kind of
red zone it where you're getting, you know. I think
it's one of the great weekends in sports in America.
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Interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Jalen Milroll, the Bama quarterback, just ran a four to
three seven at the Alabama Pro Day, which that's an
insane forty time for a quarterback. It's good for every
position in football, that is. And I think I told
everybody here a month ago, I was told by an
NFL exec he was Anthony Richardson, except more explosive as
(31:33):
a runner. So great kid, great family, unbelievable athlete, but
had more rushing touchdowns at Alabama than passing touchdowns. I
think he'll be as good as where he falls if
he could get his Sean Payton. You set him for
a year. Interesting, but I mean that's just somebody. I
said he's gonna get drafted in the first round four
(31:55):
to three seven quarterback. Somebody's reaching on him, even though
he's a bit McCarey ancle and doesn't feel ready to
start in the NFL. With that, Albert Breer joins US Live,
that is an eye popping forty yard bet.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
Yeah, yeah, I have a couple. I had a couple
of Scots on the ground. I just texted with it.
We're both of them that I talked to so far,
we're at four four five. But that's still insane for
a quarterback. It's very very fast.
Speaker 13 (32:22):
I think, like you said, though, Colins sort of what
we already knew about him, you know, like that he
does have freakish athletic ability and like the easy compas
to another guy who played at BAMMA, which is Jalen Hurts,
who had a long way to go as a pastor
coming into the NFL. Yeah, but one thing a couple
of a couple of guys who evaluated both have have
told me is to be Jalen Milroe. You you're you're
(32:44):
to be Jalen Hurts. You're You're walking a very narrow path.
He was special as a competitor, special from a work
ethics standpoint, special football character and can't get along with everybody.
And I think that's been documented over the last couple
of years. But I mean Jalen Hurst just as a
worker as a plus and worked himself into the player
(33:05):
that he is now. And so like that's what's luck
for scouts now is to look at it with Jalen
Milroe and look at the distance he's got to go
as a passer to be an effective NFL quarterback, and
then try to determine whether or not he's got you
know upstairs, and it has got what Jalen Hurts had
(33:26):
to make himself into what he is today.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, okay, So listen, the Minnesota situation has been weird.
They're gonna keep Darnold, Daniel Jones, They're interested in Aaron Rodgers.
It tells me that second surgery in mid November maybe
did it take or are they not sure whatever, But
so let's start with that before we get to Aaron.
What it's like been so many like quarterbacks that have
(33:51):
been discussed. It leads me to be like suspicious of
Is J J. McCarthy healthy.
Speaker 13 (33:59):
Yes, so I think he is now. And the second
surgery was more of a cleanup. He did lose a
lot of weight and he lost four months of on
field development time. And I think I've been you know,
we've been through that, you and I on the show
a couple of times now, where you.
Speaker 10 (34:15):
Know, I think they're optimistic about where he is.
Speaker 13 (34:17):
They liked where he is the first with where he
was the first week of August, the point where it
was could we actually play this kid this year?
Speaker 10 (34:24):
That was the discussion at the time, right before he
got hurt.
Speaker 13 (34:28):
And so now I think they feel good about where
he is going into the season.
Speaker 10 (34:32):
But but and this is a big butt.
Speaker 13 (34:35):
Do you feel comfortable enough where you're going to stake
the team that you have to JJ McCarthy and JJ
McCarthy alone.
Speaker 10 (34:42):
And the answer to this point of the offseason has
been no.
Speaker 13 (34:45):
Right like because they did make an offer to bring
Sam Darnold back. They did make an offer to Daniel
Jones to come back too, and that was in the
ballpark of what Indianapolis gave him the one year, fourteen
million dollar deal that he's signed there with the Colts.
So you know, I think it's I think it can
be both things. They like JJ, they like where he is,
but this is not a rebuilding team. This is a
(35:07):
This is a team at won fourteen games a year ago.
Speaker 10 (35:10):
And you owe it.
Speaker 13 (35:11):
If you're Kevin O'Connell, Koisiadelflamensa, all the guys there to
the Harrison Smiths, the Andrew van Ginkels, the Jonathan grenard Is,
the Byron Murphy's, the Justin Jeffersons, the Christian darrisaws to
give them the best possible answer you can at quarterback,
and so I think that's why they were looking at
high end insurance policies. I think that's what Darnold and
Jones would have been and that's why the discussion was
(35:34):
different on Aaron Rodgers, where you know, if you bring
in Aaron Rodgers, that ain't an insurance policy. That's jamming
on the pause button on the JJ McCarthy era and
say you got to wait another year, kid, which you
know could go a bunch of different ways.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Aaron Rodgers and retirement, it feels very real to me.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
To me, it does, does it to you?
Speaker 13 (35:55):
I wouldn't rule anything out, you know, I mean, Aaron's
his own guy. And you know I've said all along
this could this could happen in ten minutes, This could
happen in ten days, This could happen in ten weeks.
You know, I don't think he wants to go out
the way he went out last year. I had a
long conversation with him over the summer where he said
he didn't want to go out the way he went
(36:15):
out in twenty twenty three, which was.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
With the Achilles injury. If he didn't want to go
out hurt.
Speaker 13 (36:21):
I would assume he wouldn't want to go out playing
the way the Jets did at the end of the
year last year, and that was just a dumpster fire
of a season from start to finish for everyone involved.
Speaker 10 (36:30):
So I do.
Speaker 13 (36:31):
Think he has it, you know, in his head, that
he wants to take one more swing in it. It's
what he actually said to the Jets in their exit meetings,
you know, when they were deciding what to do, was
that he did plan on playing in twenty twenty five.
Plans can change, and I think that's going to, you know,
really ride on how he views the Steelers and how
he views the Jets. And right now, to me, the
(36:53):
Giants I meant, right now, to me the Giants and Jets,
the Giants are sort of analogous to what the Jets
were when he went there to years ago, where you've
got a promising young core and you're asking Aaron Rodgers
to come in and lift all those guys up.
Speaker 10 (37:05):
Right, So Malik Neighbors, Andrew.
Speaker 13 (37:08):
Thomas, you know, Dexter, Lawrence Kevon Thibodeau, Brian Burns, they're
asking him to come in and take a franchise that's
been down for a while and lift it up, whereas
with the Steelers it is different.
Speaker 10 (37:19):
He's jumping on a moving train. You know. TJ.
Speaker 13 (37:21):
Watt's gonna be thirty one. Make if it's Patrick's gonna
be twenty nine. Cam Hayward is at the very end
of his career. They traded for DK Metcalf. He's on
his third contract. I think, you know, going to Pittsburgh,
he'd be kind of syncing up with some more of
his peers, and it'd be a different deal in Pittsburgh
where he's more the final piece than somebody who's gonna
lift all boats.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Okay, so you know your feet on the ground. Final
question in Shaudor Sanders I said yesterday, there's like four
teams that have to get a quarterback. I mean, like,
I mean, you can almost look at the draft a
year from now when you have a sense of who's
going to be up there if they don't get one.
I can't see Chador dropping. Is a lot of this
(38:02):
just smoke messaging sent out by teams Chadeur's dropping or
is there some office authentic authenticity to this rumor that
he's dropping?
Speaker 13 (38:14):
I think Chur's just the type of prospect that like,
not everybody's gonna love. And the reason I say that
is because he doesn't have the special physical gifts that
you normally see out of a top five pick. The
cam Ward teams watch him and they could say, okay,
like there's a ceiling there. He might be much greater
in three or four years than he is right now,
(38:36):
and we can chase that ceiling with him. And if
you're you know, the Titans of the Browns and you're
in the AFC and you got to contend with Lamar
and Burrow and Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes, and then
you know on on the next level below that guy's
like c. J.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
Stroud and Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert.
Speaker 13 (38:53):
You could you can close your eyes and envision cam
Ward really elevating over the next.
Speaker 10 (38:57):
Couple of years.
Speaker 13 (38:58):
Whereas with Shador Sanders, he's not a great athlete, doesn't
have an explosive arm, and so for Shador, I think
it's going to come down to fit. And that's where
I think there's a little bit of a comp here
to bon Nix last year, where you know, bo Nicks
wasn't for everybody and I had a hard time finding
many teams that viewed boat Knicks as a first round prospect,
but that didn't matter because Bo Nicks had a team
(39:20):
out there that was a very good fit for him,
that had a quarterback need, and the Broncos wind up
taking him twelfth overall. He has a great rookie year
and now no one remembers how he was talked about
a year ago. So for me, this is sort of that.
That's where it is for Shador Sanders is can you
find a team that is that level of fit for you,
the type the kind of fit that that Bo Nicks
(39:42):
found with the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, that you know it if you take out the
all time like Jayden Daniels, I think probably works everywhere.
It looks like now, but almost ninety percent of these
quarterbacks are very beholden to fit, getting the sharp coordinator,
good offensive line.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I mean, it's Elton is Kleable.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
It was a bit of a mess last year when
they were on the third coach. So we'll just say
once again that Jalen Milroe ran a historically fast forty.
I don't know what it means. I know Pittsburgh had
dinner with him last night. That's something I guess I
don't know. I guess everybody does at at some point.
Speaker 13 (40:18):
So he'd be a good fit for the Steelers though,
like I do. I mean, they have some of the
stuff built in working with Justin Fields last year, and
you know, certainly, like you said, he's a good kid,
so he'd probably be a program fit for them as well.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
All right, Albert Breer, Yeah, four three seven? Are we
looking at it right now?
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Is this live? Okay, here's your core?
Speaker 10 (40:37):
There you go. Man, he's a he's a big kid too.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Huh, Yeah, that's not that's not Brady's combine.
Speaker 13 (40:47):
Wow, all right, Albert, the jail on Jalen Milroe doesn't
need to bit wear the baggy white shirt that Tom
was wearing for his combine.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, good stuff, thanks man.
Speaker 10 (40:56):
All right, thanks calling.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, I've said this before.
Milki once told me years ago, he said, I get
lied to a lot in March and April. So sometimes
with the chadur stuff, I do wonder if it's just
being thrown out there and people are like, yeah, I
don't know. I mean, if you need a quarterback, he's
definitely not a second or third Kenny Pickett was drafted
in the first round. I had an NFL exec with
multiple rings that told me he's a third round prospect.
(41:21):
Nobody has told me that was Schadeur. Some have said
he could drop, but he's not a He's not a
mid second in this draft a week draft, Chadure is
a first round prospect.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
You remember when you showed the Jalen miro thing. What
everybody got excited when they met Anthony Richardson's.
Speaker 8 (41:37):
This hulking hum among this guy. Did you see Jalen
milro Brick there.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
He's wearing like the short shorts rocked up, looked like
there's zero fat on him.
Speaker 8 (41:44):
He's gonna meet teams are gonna be like, I want
that guy as Mike quarterback.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Although historically not a lot of six pack abs, and it's.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
The Hall of Fame at quarterback.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
You could take your dad, Bob Mahomes.
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