March 19, 2025 • 39 mins
Colin starts with NFL free agency news as the Vikings have informed Aaron Rodgers they are not interested in signing him and the message teams around the NFL are trying to send to him. Shohei Ohtani homers in another Dodger win to start the season 2-0 and how Ohtani’s greatness is starting to diminish other legends of the past. Plus, Pro Bowl TE Marcedes Lewis joins the show in studio to talk about playing for the Bears and how he’s preparing to play his 20th NFL season
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go. It is a increasingly busy
Wednesday live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for
making us part of your day. Jmac More Baseball at
three forty five in the morning. Loved it. I hope
(00:48):
second night in a row. Little magnesium commitment to MLB
action Early. We've got news on Aaron Rodgers. Very interesting
last night. What developed with the Warriors and the Milwaukee
Buck something that's happening and pretty obvious. So you ready
to go? Are we ready to have a killer Wednesday show?
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He said? He is, Oh, so here it's official. It
is official. The Minnesota Vikings the best option for Aaron Rodgers.
It's over, they said, not interested. We're gonna go with
JJ McCarthy. So now Aaron is left to the offensively
tone deaf Pittsburgh Steelers who just lost their left tackling
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Najie Harris and can't get the on line right, or
the New York Giants who have been in like an
eight nine, ten year rebuild. That's what he's left with.
It's got a Nicholas Cage feel, big production, big personality,
big revenue. Once it dips, movie studios and NFL teams
are like, yeah, you're a little quirky for us. His
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best option more walks on the beach in Malibu. Hey,
the JFK files were released, Maybe that'll be it. But
his last thirty starts two different organizations, one of them
a really good one eleven and nineteen twenty four giveaways
and a passer rating below ninety and a lot of
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moodiness and a lot of drama. And great NFL quarterbacks
basically fall into two categories, great and low maintenance. Lamar Jackson,
Mahomes Brady you know breeze and then great quarterbacks with
some maintenance, sometimes high maintenance, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, Big
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Ben and here's what I know that second group. They
never age as well. Ever ever age as well, and
that's Aaron's group. Now. He's always been and I don't
think I'm taking a shot a little combative, even with
his family. He's been moody, he's been at times arrogant.
You could read Ian O'Connor's amazing book I did. You
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could go back to NFL Draft Night, you can go
back to Jeff Pearlman's book or Ian O'Connors when you
know he's poking the great Brett fav in the ribs.
That's who he is. And it's okay to be defiant
for any of us in our prime, but you better
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pivot to compliant when you're out of your prime. A
lot of movie stars don't and they don't get the offers,
and Aaron Rodgers didn't and he's not getting them either.
Once you are out of the great years, you could
be a high end chef, a quarterback, a movie star,
a law partner. You lose your fastball. You got to
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go from defiant to compliant at least occasionally. And I
thought it was very interesting this week, as the Steelers
are now one of his options. The former Walter Payton
Man of the Year, the highly respected team leader Cam
Hayward talking about Aaron King teams like the Steelers. Wait,
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I ain't.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Doing that or darkness darkness retreat retreat. I don't mean
any of that crap. Like, either you want to be
a Pittsburgh Steeler you don't. That's that's simple. That's the pitch,
Like if you want me to recruit, that's the recruiting pitch.
You know, Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want to be part
of it, so be it. If you don't, no skin
on my back.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
That is one of the most respected NFL players, not
just on the Steelers, top ten in the league. I'm
not into that darkness retreat crap. Let's be honest. If
one of your friends went on one of those outside
of Hollywood, it's kind of an eye roll, right the
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Woods of Oregon. I mean ayahuasca. I get artists doing that.
I'm all for ayahuasca. Never gonna take it, never did,
but I get creative types. But when Cam Hayward's like,
I'm not gonna do that darkness retreat crap, I'm sorry.
That's what a lot of people are saying, Like Nicholas Cage.
Once the production drops, people kind of feel like, yeah,
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maybe a little quirky for us. Not a bad guy,
but little quirky for us. It's now down to the Steelers,
the Giants, or hey, the best option, in my opinion,
walks on the beach in Malibu. All right, well, once
again set the alarm clock a little tougher to get up.
Second morning in a row, at the three point fifty
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in the morning. I'm not gonna lie to you, but
it was on f fast one and the greatest baseball
player ever. Yeah, it's not particularly close ever, put on
a show well too.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Two pitch and he sends one deep all towards right
center field, back at the wall, and it is off
the very top of the wall, nearly a home run,
and now they're gonna rule it perhaps as a.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Home run it is.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
They kept it in play for a moment, but Otani
craiks and he gives the fans what they've been waiting
for this first of the year. Man, is there anybody
in sports right now that meets the moment?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Like show?
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It is very messy and MJ and Tiger in his prime,
Stephen Lebron, dude meets the moment and never forget this,
he's a leadoff hitter. Okay, why because he's so fast
first fifty to fifty plot he's so fast, they bat
him lean up, leadoff. He could also about second, third, fourth, fifth,
sixth seven. You can put him anywhere you want, and
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he could be an All Star pitcher. Half of his
greatest skill he's not even using yet, the pitching part. Okay,
Mahomes can't play linebacker. Ovechkin's not a goalie. What you're
seeing now is making Bryce Harper and Aaron Judge all
time great players feel small. You get no ego with Otani,
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so you take him off the Dodgers, they could still
win the World Series. You put him on the Dodgers.
I don't know who's stopping this freight train. They should
change that Major League Baseball video game from MLB The
Show to MLB Show Hay, because it feels like a
video game leading base dealer power hitter for average all
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star pitcher. I again, you take him off the Dodgers.
When Freeman and Bets are there and Dusty mains back,
that's the Mayback that still can be favorites to win
the World's here. You put him on the Dodgers and
just think of the nerves and the electricity playing in
Tokyo for show Hay yesterday, a couple of hits today
the home run completely rises to the moment. Babe Ruth
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didn't run like this. Babe Ruth was cigars and beer
and a belly. And this, this cat is totally there.
This's the best athlete in America. There's nothing like him.
And forget Babe Ruth, there has never been a pro
athlete in America like this. Would any of you doubt
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if he put this into football he'd be a tight end,
or if he wanted to play basketball. I mean it,
just when you put him next to other great players
we are watching history. Just put the camera on him.
It's Tiger and his prime. Just watching him walk up
the fairway as special. Here's Dave Roberts after.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Show Hey puts his pants on, just like we all do,
one leg at a time. But if there's ever a superhero,
I think Show Hey just seems like a superhero. And
in the biggest of games or the biggest of moments,
he seems to always deliver.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, phenomenal. And I felt the Cubs are gonna be
a good team. And last year the Yankees and the
Podres and the Mets were good teams, but when you
watch this All Star team that includes O Tawny Man,
everybody looked, everybody looks average. Cubs are a good team,
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but you go to the bullpen against the Dodgers, we
wish you the very best of luck, but they're and
they're doing it right now without a full lineup. They've
got two potential All Star level pitchers, two all star
position players not playing pretty special. Dodgers start the season
two and zero.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
So J Mac.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
The Aaron Rodgers news is you and I have kind
of been confused by Minnesota. There was the Darnald may
Ree sign Daniel Jones last year, Aaron Rodgers flirtation. I've
not quite understood all of it. My take is that
November surgery. There's still some questions for JJ McCarthy, but
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this was the best spot for Aaron. Left tackle, receivers, coach, momentum,
play indoors know the division that this was easily the
best situation.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Certainly, you know he wanted to be in Minnesota right
give and set up there, but I just you got
to feel bad for the guy at this point.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, nobody wants him. Well, I think I think people
would take him. But it's the terms are different now.
You know the terms used to be. You know, when
you're in your prime and you're great, the terms are
your terms. You have you have the leverage, you have
the pull the levers. Uh, he doesn't. And so it's
it's kind of dried up. And and also when you
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get to this age to be one thing, if you're
twenty seven and you're like, listen, i'm gonna I'm gonna
go vacation, I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna train if
you want me, I'm out there. It's not the way
it works. When you're forty. You you you if you're
not training every day, spending a million bucks to get
elite and stay elite, you age. I mean you age
fast in this lead to begin with. You really age
fast when you're not at practice every day.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
Remember Tom Brady was like, I'm leaving the Patriots. Who's interested?
And there were people clamoring for his services. Yeah, Aaron
Rodgers now on the market. Kind of crickets.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (11:03):
App and we'll get to what Draymond did last night.
He was remarkable against Giannis, and I'll get to that
in a couple of minutes. He was shut him down
to a large degree. So Steph takes the night off
and the Warriors win, you know, kind of going away.
And it's interesting when you watch Yokich over the last
two to three years and you watch Wemby last year
as a rookie in this year, it makes Yannis look
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much more incomplete. He doesn't shoot, doesn't he never developed
a mid range game. He doesn't shoot a three, and
so it's all about a physical mismatch and getting to
the basket, which he does, but that takes a physical
toll on you. All you have to do is go
ask Shack. But the time Shaq hit thirty two and
thirty three, he wasn't quite the same player. So Jannis
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has become sort of like Lamar Jackson, if Lamar hadn't
developed into a great pocket passer. Yet there's very little
dimension to Jannis's game, and especially when you watch Wemby
and you you just see different dimensions. It's a space
and shooting league and he hasn't developed one. So don't
get me wrong. He's an all time great, and so
with Shaq. And he gets to the free throw line
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a ton, but he's only shooting sixty percent from the
free throw line. I think this morning we saw he
has over one hundred misses from the free throw line
from second place in the league. So again, very much
like Shaq, but Shaq played in a different era where
bully ball was good enough. Bully ball can dominate. It
doesn't anymore, especially if you don't hit your free throws.
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It's a space and shooting league. And you watch Jokic,
he's a point center. You watch Wemby breaking guys down
on the angle. So Iannis is a great athlete, but
Draymon last night largely shut him down. And here was
Steve Kerr after.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
Draymond that defense tonight on Yannis was incredible to hold
him to five field goals. Draymond showed why he's still
one of the great defense in the world and why
he's so important to winning night after night.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, and again nobody's I'm not trying to dissuade you
that that Giannis isn't an all time great player. And
they got a title, but there there aren't a lot
of dimensions, and when you start comparing him, it's like, yeah,
it does feel like he's easier to defend. You're not
gonna hold Yokic to five field goals. In fact, Draymond
Green would tell you Jokis is the one guy that
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nobody can defend. I mean, Draymond can't, nobody can't, Rudy
Gobert can't. And that's because there's so many things he
can do well. So, I mean, I still think he'd
be a great fit to the New York Knicks. But
you know the NBA, we always talked about Dwight Howard.
You know, he aged really fast and you know, the
big rebound, block shot guy without a lot of post moves.
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One day it mattered, one day it didn't. And for
Draymond to shut him down like that shows you you
can defend him.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Not a lot of guys are Draymon, but nobody's stopping
Jolki consistently.
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Speaker 1 (15:07):
So remember it was a couple of days agoes Monday
and I said there are certain sports debates that as
an adult, they're beneath you like arguing who the sixty
eighth best team in college basketball is. Remember, everybody was
upset in West Virginia. The governor is is gonna be
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legal action? And oh good hell North Carolina only got
in because they're a big brand. I don't have a
problem with that. If it's the last playing game. I
mean again, CBS and TNT pay for the wedding. They
can't have one seating chart suggestion. So anyway, well, the
ad was a committee chairman.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They won by twenty seven last night, led by forty,
which is unheard of in college basketball. And they're also
favored over number six seed Old miss from the best conference,
the SEC. The hand ringing, the pearl clutching West Virginia
outrage once again playing the victim. Oh my god, people,
(16:12):
I mean again, the JFK files are out. There's a
conspiracy theory. You can all pursue it. Just it never
fails that whenever we bash a team for like being
into the tournament, they get inspired by that, like North Carolina,
and play their butts off for the next two games.
You see this in college football years ago, when a
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coach would complain about not getting a bull bid. He wanted,
and that bled over to his team, and that team
would go into a bull and get housed. And it's like,
if you enjoyed this forty eight hour West Virginia embarrassing
temper tantrum for a team that went nineteen and thirteen.
The coach was so much about West Virginia. A day
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later he took the Indiana job.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Really, I'm fighting for us, I'm fighting for the University
Private Jet of Bloomington. It doesn't matter neither West Virginia
or Carolina are winning three or four games. But the
fact that Carolina, a bubble team led by forty last night. Again,
if they would have been beaten by forty, all you
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West Virginia fans would have rushed to the innerweb to
remind us you were right. So we're here to remind
you you weren't. If you lead by forty in our
favorite over an SEC team, it's not an egregious pull
to get North Carolina in Again. You to run to
the internet if they got smoked last night, So don't. Well,
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this doesn't make it right, no, but it makes it legitimate.
It's a legitimate team in the tournament. If you're favored
in your first official game in the tournament. It's all arguing.
Once you get to the end, once you get out
of the one, two, three, and four seeds and some
automatic stuff, well, it's just all debates. So I will
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root for North Carolina. I've said before. I had somebody
last night I remember her name was Jennifer came up
and said, well, you won me seven hundred dollars last
year because I took Connecticut. Looking at your bracket, Well,
I said, who'd you take this year? She is, I
went to your bracket again and took Auburn. And so
I said, just to let you know, Auburn's not as
good as Connecticut. The SEC is great. She took all
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four of my picks.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You know why.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
You know, it's funny about this. A lot of people
are saying, why didn't you take Duke. I'm always a
little reluctant when your best players a freshman. And I'm
not saying Cooper Flag's not great. But Duke's got a
couple of kids that are really young, whereas Arizona's got
like a fifth year Caleb loves like a fourth or
fifth year senior. Yeah, it's like, I think age matters.
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We just talked about coaching age. I think it's hard
even if you have the beat. I mean, look at
John cal Pari, who's more than capable as a coach
title why because his teams were all freshmen and he
would get into these situational moments in a freshman guard, who,
by the way, will get drafted number four and have
a nice NBA career at eighteen, the pressure of March
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Madness playing a junior or a senior from Syracuse. I'll
take the junior senior in that moment in that game.
That's a great point. UNC, though, has a good draw.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
They face ole Miss next, Yes, and ole Miss is
on like a three eleven and one against the spread
street They're they're not really playing well. I think UNC
could probably take down Michigan State. But your point on
Duke is interesting because I know Cooper.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Flag is a freshman. He's only eighteen.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
He started the season in his seventeen year old Yeah,
but Colin, you know the stat net rating in the NBA.
You look at that a lot. Do you get the
highest net rating in college basketball in the last twenty years, Colin,
twenty years?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
That's insane.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
The last twenty years, the highest net rating.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
In the sport. Yeah. No, I mean, I understand why
people are betting him. They've got the best player. It's
a big brand, and they're very good. I'm not denying that.
What I'm saying is the conference they were in this
year was not close to the SEC, and I think
what you're gonna see. I think you're gonna see Tennessee, Florida, Auburn.
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You're gonna see some of these SEC teams that were
in incredibly intense, sold out arenas NBA bodies everywhere. We
saw this for years in college football when the SEC
ruled teams would go to the SCC from the SEC
would be like a number five SEC team. They'd go
to like the Sun Bowl or some bowl game and
they play number two or three team from their conference
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and roll them because they've been in all these high leverage,
intense games against pro level athletes. So I think the
SEC is gonna Now they may not win it, but
I think the SEC by the end of this weekend,
you're gonna be like, yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
So they have fourteen teams in the field, Okay, what
if they go I don't know, like you know, they
lose like five games on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That's possible.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Are people can owe SEC overrated?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, fourteen teams? Well yeah, if people will say that
and they will have teams lose, Ole Miss could be
one of them. But if you and again you watch
more college basketball than me. But I came to you
mid January on the air. I remember a couple of
times I said, are you watching some of these SEC games?
They jumped off the TV. More skill from the perimeter, more,
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I would say, more balance offense, the defense like the
Big Ten, Michigan is size, Michigan State is defense. Wisconsin.
I'm not sure what they are offensively. The Big Ten's
got a style. SEC's got better athletes, and I think
they have just more dexterity offensively.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
What's your excitement level on watching the games like all day?
Are you like sitting from the Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
No mars Ulets, you want to go to a watering
hole at some point?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
No, No, I don't know, I just sit down. Well.
I like how they bring in new games, kind of
red zone it where you're getting, you know. I think
it's one of the great weekends in sports in America.
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Speaker 1 (22:05):
Nineteen years in the NFL. How about that second oldest
player looks great t Aaron Rodgers, by the way, who
always appreciated you. Mercedes Lewis, the former UCLA Bruin. God,
you were drafted back in two thousand and six by
the Jags. That you I remember your college career. So
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we were talking during the break. It is interesting I
can remember now I'm old enough to remember when Benny
Cunningham for the Steelers was like he made it a
targeted game. And then you'd see Kellen Winslow and you're like,
well that's a once o a twenty year player. It
feels like there's a lot more Kellen Winslow ish guys
coming out of college. What is the single biggest change
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at tight end from this past year to your rookie year.
Speaker 10 (22:54):
Well, I would say, obviously I came in at a
time where it was more run, heavy play action pass,
let's control the clock being then extra extension of the
line and if we need you to stress the field, great,
here you go, catch your bone to come back and
come block this power play, right, so as far as
the change though, every like, tight ends now are more
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spread out, and I think the responsibility of the tight
end is changing as time, you know, as time goes on, right,
Like you, When I came in, it was like, okay,
you have your number one tight end, and then you
know you'll have two tight ends behind me, but they're
not really going to be expected to do much work, right.
It's special teams, and if I need a break or
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my shoe comes untied, I'll come out.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Somebody comes in.
Speaker 10 (23:43):
Now, what you're saying, teams are starting to get more guys,
you know, more depth at these different positions to kind
of take the workload off of the number one guy.
So for instance, Travis Kelce right, Elite passed Casher. You
know what you're going to get out of him. You
want to keep it as fresh as possible, so you're
gonna have him there, and then who's behind him Gray?
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You'll have Noah Gray, who's your guy that can kind
of do it all right, and then the guy behind
nor Gray is going to be the more utility guy,
special teams guy. All in in effort to keep the
number one guy healthy, right and continue to develop the
guys behind Travis.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
But that's what it's more geared towards now, and I
like it.
Speaker 10 (24:23):
It's kind of like when you think of like the
running backs and you have like your your guy who's
going to run in between the tackles, your bruiser, and
then you got your guy that is catching, you know,
catching the ball out the backfield, pitches, sweeps and things
of that nature. But it keeps guys fresh and throughout the.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Course of a year.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You need that some of some of what you've done
is you know. I mean, I remember when you came
out of college. It's like, could this guy play in
the NBA? Remember Dave Winfield a baseball You had a
Dave Winfield quality. You're like, he just decided to play
a sport. You could have played more than one. So,
but I wonder how much of nineteen years is just mindset.
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Do you think that matters?
Speaker 10 (25:08):
Yeah, I think that's a good point. Obviously, the physical
part of this game. You know what you're signing up for.
I've been playing football so I was seven years old,
and it's something that I've grown accustomed to. But my
mentality is which sets me apart and having a routine
and my adaptability as well. The game is gonna evolve,
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it's gonna, you know, continue to evolve, and if you
want to have a loan career, then you have to
find ways to kind of keep that edge and do
the same.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
And obviously, when I came out.
Speaker 10 (25:41):
Of UCLA pass catcher, setting records, touchdowns, all of that
got to Jacksonville those first three years was kind of
like a culture shock because we didn't pass the ball
at the rate you know, I caught the ball in college.
But what that did was prepare me for what the
road was going to be ahead, right. That was getting
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that gristle on my bones and really embracing the grind.
And I've been able to weaponize the grind throughout my career.
And you know, nowadays, when the expectations are a certain way,
I've already been through that. I know what it looks like.
So I'm able to lead from the front and help
the guys that are coming behind me and let them
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know that, like, this.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Is truly a privilege to be in this league. And
if you want to play for a long time, and.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
You know, you want to have a really successful career,
it's about the grit and the grind.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
And that's what I thrive off of.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So cold comment. Notre Damer. I met him at the
USC Notre Dame game. Really engaging guy. That's my guy,
really nice guy. And so you were in Chicago. I'm
moving the base of our show to Chicago and I'm
going there after the show and wife's families there is
you know, J Mac is like, I can't take the
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cold weather. Now you're a West Coast guy, can you
at least acknowledge to J Mac? Chicago's a fun time.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
I will say this. Obviously. I played twelve years in
Jacksonville five and Green Bay. I just finished my second
in Chicago. I think the city of Chicago is probably
one of my favorite cities I've ever been in. And
I was born in Long Beach. I went to UCLA, right,
Love Love La. This is where I'm from, this is
where the family is. But Chicago is probably one of
my favorite cities to ever be in architecture, everything, man,
(27:27):
the food is amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
The people are just great.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
People dress up.
Speaker 10 (27:32):
Yeah, no, it's and you mentioned the cold, Like, yes,
it is cold, we do understand that, but like I
feel like I dressed the best when it's cold.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
You know what I mean I can layer up. I
can wear my trench coats for my hoodies and everything.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Okay, I tell him that, you know, you know when
I tell my wife this, yeah, I'm like, man, you
are in the winter. She's got layers that come on. Yes,
like that's got good looking people.
Speaker 10 (27:57):
Yes, that's what it's about. Like I'm telling you, when
it's hot outside. Sometimes in when I'm in my house,
i don't even know what I'm wearing. Like I'll leave
out with swim trunks with a hoodie just because I'm like.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
What maybe cold?
Speaker 10 (28:08):
You know la is It's like, yeah, says seventy eight,
but the breeze, Like, I don't give me something that
I know if it's gonna be sixty, I'm a dressed
like it's sixty and I know exactly what I'm walking into.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
So I enjoy it like it's a good time.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So we do worry a little about Caleb Williams. And
I've said this, I love him personally. I mean, he's
a good guy his and I think this was a
fair not even a criticism, it was a fair kind
of summation of him in college sometimes. And I think
a lot of this was he didn't trust his own line.
He just wouldn't out them publicly. Is that he was
kind of a big play guy instead of taking the
lay up, which that's the NFL. Mahomes takes a lot
(28:43):
of layouts, no doubt. You know, Michael Jordan about twice
a night was jaw dropping. Other than that, Michael hit
a lot of eighteen footers. He just come down, and
that he was a little prone to go wild, play
over just boom, boom boom. Did you sense a little
bit of that early in him growing out of that?
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, I think you know, when you have a guy
like Caleb and the ability that he has to get.
Speaker 10 (29:06):
That ball out of his hand and throw off platform
and make it look make hard stuff look very easy,
and if you're doing it in college and you've been
able to get away with it in college, obviously the
natural progressions when you come into the league you're going
to try to do some of those things. And so
I think, you know, in his defense, obviously, with our
offense last year, the firing of coaches and it was
(29:29):
a lot going on, and he was just trying to
do the best job he could at trying to take
on all the information. Obviously, the offense kind of like
shifted midway through the season, like it was just it
was just a lot going on for him. And I
think that, you know, obviously bringing Ben Johnson in and
being able to pair him with Caleb and Caleb's ability
(29:51):
to kind of be who he is, and Ben is
going to be able to get in there and get
into his mind and kind of create this offense around
Calyb so that you know, he understands destructure how things
should work in the NFL, and you know, you're not
going to question Ben's ability to put guys in position
to make plays and right you know, I'm looking forward
(30:12):
to watching it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's going to be what are you going to play again?
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (30:17):
Yeah, I mean I'm at nineteen obviously that's all I
find the dandy, But twenty I don't know where yet.
You know, there's been a few teams probing to kind
of see if I'm going to continue to play, and
so it's all in the universe's hands and I'm just
gonna do my job like I've always done this offseason
and train my butt off and I'll be ready when that.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Would you like to go to Chicago?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Of course, that's best case scenario.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, yeah, what's second best case scenario? You know, Chargers
could use a they could use a tough guy.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
Yeah, I'm gonna leave that open to interpretation. I'm not gonna,
obviously for me to put Chicago out there. I've been
there the last two years. I'm familiar with you got guys,
the process, and you know that work and what they
expect and what's expected of me. Right, And obviously they
got they fired their coaching staff, but they kept my
tight end coach who I've had the last two years
(31:13):
there and so would be great to finish my career
with him. Jim dre is somebody that I respect a lot,
and he you know, brings the best out of us.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
In that room.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
And being able to continue to watch co commit kind
of develop and do his thing as he comes into
his own and you know, would just be a blessing.
So you know, obviously, what I can control is being
being my personal best and working out and doing my thing,
and I'll be ready when that time comes.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
So you know, Aaron well I said, I kind of
thought he would, uh, Minnesota works. I would have gone
to Minnesota. I could see Aaron at this point saying,
you know, what I kept telling people. I think he
likes New York. I think he's a smart guy, likes
the city. It's fabric. I think New York is a
like Chicago, big art cities for you know, museums and architecture,
(32:03):
and there's just there's always somewhere to go in New York,
in Chicago or London. I could see him going to
New York. They got a left tackle, offensive coach, weapon,
great running back draft. But I could also see Aaron saying, listen,
Mount forty one a little bumpy at the end, first
bout Hall of Famer. If you had to guest today
retirement Steelers Giants, do you have a guest?
Speaker 5 (32:26):
My guests would maybe be the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
You like the Steelers. They don't have a left tackle
that worries me.
Speaker 10 (32:32):
I think I just think that him coming from the Jets,
obviously already being in New York. I don't know me
knowing a Rod, I don't know if you want to
just go right over to the Giants after being with
the Jets, Like I just I feel like he want
more of like just something completely new, completely different, potentially
get out of New York. I know him and Tomlin
(32:53):
have a really good relationship yeah, and a good you know,
rapport there and it's just a still city. I feel
like that's the piece that they would need to potentially
put them over the top as well. But if I,
you know what's having a conversation with Aaron right now
about coming back, I would just say, chase joy, not happiness.
Happiness is fleeting if you don't find joy in football
(33:16):
and everything that comes with it anymore. As far as
you know, being scrutinized and everybody picking you apart from
the outside, you've done enough. You know you are one
of the best that I've ever done it, and like
you said, first ballot and a really good friend of mine.
So I just, whatever it is, take the time to
kind of figure that out. He always knows he can
lean on me and hit me at whenever he wants
(33:37):
to kind of sort through it. But he's definitely done enough.
So it'd be interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Is he misunderstood.
Speaker 10 (33:44):
Yeah, I mean I think for people that don't know me,
I would be misunderstood as well, you know what I mean.
Like it's just one of those things like if you
don't know somebody personally, you're going to form your own
opinions based on second hand and third hand information that
you've got, and then.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Does a rid kind of provoke it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Because he knows. I think I've said this before, he
can be combative, okay with his family. I'm not making
stuff up. And I've said and I I've met Aaron
Wance at the SPS very very quick and even in
that little forty five second moment, he's got a big
opinion and he'll tell you and he didn't know me,
and I'll never say what was said. But my take
(34:28):
is that's who he is.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly, I mean I that's just
who he is. And if you don't really have the
time to kind of like sit there and get to
know him and be with him on the day in,
the day day out, basis, your opinion is probably going
to be just like everybody else's opinion that don't really
know him. And so, you know, I'm grateful to have
(34:50):
had those moments with him, and you know, we've actually
spent holidays together and you know, spent a lot of
time together kind of picking his brain and it's it's
just a different psychosis that makes you great. And he's
one of those guys. And and he loves football, Yeah,
he loves it. Man, Just how he prepares, how it
comes to work. You know a lot of people don't
(35:13):
understand too is And I'll leave it with this. You know,
friendships and connections as far as who you respect at
the professional level, even really at the college level, it's
based on how you come to work and what you
what you do in the film room, how you are
(35:33):
on the field, how you cheat people around the building
like that, that's your value. And uh, if you're one
of those guys that does it the right way and
he is, and how he leads from the front end
of the building, Uh, you're gonna be best friends. And
if you're not, you know, he's gonna you're gonna find
out real quick, you know. And a Rod is one
of those guys like he's not he's not necessarily gonna
(35:54):
pull you aside him Like, man, I don't really like this.
He's just not gonna talk to you, you know.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
What I mean? And like that's just what it is.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Everybody's different. Who's the biggest trash talker you line up
against career and currently a guy that like Max Crosby,
he said, he's like a radio announcer, like he's just talking.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
Max, Max does talk a lot, but Max backs it
up a lot, so he he could say whatever.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Han.
Speaker 10 (36:25):
Yeah, he's he's a dude, and he's one of those guys.
Whether it's Max crossby Miles Garrett, whenever I'm gone against
those two guys, I know that the night, like the
night before, my body feels different because I know that, like, uh,
come Sunday morning, I'm gonna need all of what I have,
uh in order to get my job done. And I
(36:45):
think that's the beauty of competition in general. And if
I don't feel that, then it may be an issue.
And I have to like sometimes muster that up right.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
And and Max is one of those guys. It's just different.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Yeah, it's just different. You just know that you're gonna get.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
You're gonna you're gonna get a handful of every single play, NonStop.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
This is what it is.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
Whether you block them, great, just know that the next
play he's coming after you. And but that's what I
thrive off of, Like that's you don't have guys like
that no more. Like Max is an old school guy.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
He is a raider from the seventh you know, what
I mean, Like, he's just an.
Speaker 10 (37:21):
Old school guy, and like I think for me, that's
what I appreciate more are guys that are that way.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
And you're gonna have.
Speaker 10 (37:28):
Guys that talk a lot, but if you're not backing
it up like that, then it becomes whatever. Right, Like
you can watch the film and he jumps off the
film every single place, so you know what you're getting right,
and you know, those are the type of guys you
respect every day.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
So man, we only get you like twice a year.
I know. Man, I gotta you're busy life.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah, I gotta start buy it more.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Well, no, no, no, it's not your responsibility. I'll just
have to fire my guest booker. It's mcdell. So you
do you still live over by my favorite restaurant?
Speaker 10 (37:57):
Yeah, so I'm still over there. I'm actually now in
Studio City, though I moved down. I just wanted to
try some little different. It was being in the Sino
was kind of far. Oh yeah, you know, coming back
this way. But I'm a joining Studio City and I'm
there for now.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
So we'll see, man, I love to see you with
the bears.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Oh man, let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I'm in the Birds now too.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Yeah, no, they have my numbers. But you know, I
like it, like it.
Speaker 10 (38:23):
I like being just far enough away. But if I
want to go get it, you know, I mean it's la.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
So maybe who's the biggest personality in the bird Like
a funny guy. Every locker room's got a funny guy, I.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Would say, uh, DJ Moore.
Speaker 10 (38:37):
DJ is like he's unassuming too, Like DJ is quiet
at like face value, but like once you get to
know him, it's pranks, jokes, like he's he's a dude.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
I love DJ.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
A great player, no doubt. Mercedes Lewis, what a pleasure.
Maybe we'll go into business someday, let's do it. I
got a podcast company, sign me up? Would very popular?
Kids like it.
Speaker 10 (38:59):
Yeah, we've been talking about this for a long time now,
and I got one more that I want to get,
get twenty and then wow, just get it, man, Not.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Like you'd need it, but you're gonna have quite a pension.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
I appreciate.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Hey.
Speaker 10 (39:13):
You know what's funny about that is like you don't
really think about those things because you're you're literally in
the grind. And then guys don't necessarily play for this
long so you don't really even Yeah, but here's the
wild thing. Yes, there'll be a pension there, but it's
more so like some of the things you can't even
have access to to your forty five, I'll be forty
one in May, like who finishes playing, and then like
(39:34):
if I wanted to, it's like, oh yeah, cool, two
or three years, I could just.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
You could be president, Like in forty two, the number
on presidency. I think I just retire bears and run
for off. But believe me, we could use lots of
leadership in the Oh my gosh, Mercedes great. See anybody likewise.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Appreciate you, brother, Appreciate it.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go. It is a increasingly busy
Wednesday live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for
making us part of your day. Jmac More Baseball at
three forty five in the morning. Loved it. I hope
(00:48):
second night in a row. Little magnesium commitment to MLB
action Early. We've got news on Aaron Rodgers. Very interesting
last night. What developed with the Warriors and the Milwaukee
Buck something that's happening and pretty obvious. So you ready
to go? Are we ready to have a killer Wednesday show?
(01:09):
He said? He is, Oh, so here it's official. It
is official. The Minnesota Vikings the best option for Aaron Rodgers.
It's over, they said, not interested. We're gonna go with
JJ McCarthy. So now Aaron is left to the offensively
tone deaf Pittsburgh Steelers who just lost their left tackling
(01:33):
Najie Harris and can't get the on line right, or
the New York Giants who have been in like an
eight nine, ten year rebuild. That's what he's left with.
It's got a Nicholas Cage feel, big production, big personality,
big revenue. Once it dips, movie studios and NFL teams
are like, yeah, you're a little quirky for us. His
(01:53):
best option more walks on the beach in Malibu. Hey,
the JFK files were released, Maybe that'll be it. But
his last thirty starts two different organizations, one of them
a really good one eleven and nineteen twenty four giveaways
and a passer rating below ninety and a lot of
(02:14):
moodiness and a lot of drama. And great NFL quarterbacks
basically fall into two categories, great and low maintenance. Lamar Jackson,
Mahomes Brady you know breeze and then great quarterbacks with
some maintenance, sometimes high maintenance, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, Big
(02:34):
Ben and here's what I know that second group. They
never age as well. Ever ever age as well, and
that's Aaron's group. Now. He's always been and I don't
think I'm taking a shot a little combative, even with
his family. He's been moody, he's been at times arrogant.
You could read Ian O'Connor's amazing book I did. You
(02:57):
could go back to NFL Draft Night, you can go
back to Jeff Pearlman's book or Ian O'Connors when you
know he's poking the great Brett fav in the ribs.
That's who he is. And it's okay to be defiant
for any of us in our prime, but you better
(03:18):
pivot to compliant when you're out of your prime. A
lot of movie stars don't and they don't get the offers,
and Aaron Rodgers didn't and he's not getting them either.
Once you are out of the great years, you could
be a high end chef, a quarterback, a movie star,
a law partner. You lose your fastball. You got to
(03:40):
go from defiant to compliant at least occasionally. And I
thought it was very interesting this week, as the Steelers
are now one of his options. The former Walter Payton
Man of the Year, the highly respected team leader Cam
Hayward talking about Aaron King teams like the Steelers. Wait,
(04:03):
I ain't.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Doing that or darkness darkness retreat retreat. I don't mean
any of that crap. Like, either you want to be
a Pittsburgh Steeler you don't. That's that's simple. That's the pitch,
Like if you want me to recruit, that's the recruiting pitch.
You know, Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want to be part
of it, so be it. If you don't, no skin
on my back.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
That is one of the most respected NFL players, not
just on the Steelers, top ten in the league. I'm
not into that darkness retreat crap. Let's be honest. If
one of your friends went on one of those outside
of Hollywood, it's kind of an eye roll, right the
(04:44):
Woods of Oregon. I mean ayahuasca. I get artists doing that.
I'm all for ayahuasca. Never gonna take it, never did,
but I get creative types. But when Cam Hayward's like,
I'm not gonna do that darkness retreat crap, I'm sorry.
That's what a lot of people are saying, Like Nicholas Cage.
Once the production drops, people kind of feel like, yeah,
(05:05):
maybe a little quirky for us. Not a bad guy,
but little quirky for us. It's now down to the Steelers,
the Giants, or hey, the best option, in my opinion,
walks on the beach in Malibu. All right, well, once
again set the alarm clock a little tougher to get up.
Second morning in a row, at the three point fifty
(05:27):
in the morning. I'm not gonna lie to you, but
it was on f fast one and the greatest baseball
player ever. Yeah, it's not particularly close ever, put on
a show well too.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Two pitch and he sends one deep all towards right
center field, back at the wall, and it is off
the very top of the wall, nearly a home run,
and now they're gonna rule it perhaps as a.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Home run it is.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
They kept it in play for a moment, but Otani
craiks and he gives the fans what they've been waiting
for this first of the year. Man, is there anybody
in sports right now that meets the moment?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Like show?
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It is very messy and MJ and Tiger in his prime,
Stephen Lebron, dude meets the moment and never forget this,
he's a leadoff hitter. Okay, why because he's so fast
first fifty to fifty plot he's so fast, they bat
him lean up, leadoff. He could also about second, third, fourth, fifth,
sixth seven. You can put him anywhere you want, and
(06:32):
he could be an All Star pitcher. Half of his
greatest skill he's not even using yet, the pitching part. Okay,
Mahomes can't play linebacker. Ovechkin's not a goalie. What you're
seeing now is making Bryce Harper and Aaron Judge all
time great players feel small. You get no ego with Otani,
(06:53):
so you take him off the Dodgers, they could still
win the World Series. You put him on the Dodgers.
I don't know who's stopping this freight train. They should
change that Major League Baseball video game from MLB The
Show to MLB Show Hay, because it feels like a
video game leading base dealer power hitter for average all
(07:17):
star pitcher. I again, you take him off the Dodgers.
When Freeman and Bets are there and Dusty mains back,
that's the Mayback that still can be favorites to win
the World's here. You put him on the Dodgers and
just think of the nerves and the electricity playing in
Tokyo for show Hay yesterday, a couple of hits today
the home run completely rises to the moment. Babe Ruth
(07:40):
didn't run like this. Babe Ruth was cigars and beer
and a belly. And this, this cat is totally there.
This's the best athlete in America. There's nothing like him.
And forget Babe Ruth, there has never been a pro
athlete in America like this. Would any of you doubt
(08:01):
if he put this into football he'd be a tight end,
or if he wanted to play basketball. I mean it,
just when you put him next to other great players
we are watching history. Just put the camera on him.
It's Tiger and his prime. Just watching him walk up
the fairway as special. Here's Dave Roberts after.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Show Hey puts his pants on, just like we all do,
one leg at a time. But if there's ever a superhero,
I think Show Hey just seems like a superhero. And
in the biggest of games or the biggest of moments,
he seems to always deliver.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, phenomenal. And I felt the Cubs are gonna be
a good team. And last year the Yankees and the
Podres and the Mets were good teams, but when you
watch this All Star team that includes O Tawny Man,
everybody looked, everybody looks average. Cubs are a good team,
(09:05):
but you go to the bullpen against the Dodgers, we
wish you the very best of luck, but they're and
they're doing it right now without a full lineup. They've
got two potential All Star level pitchers, two all star
position players not playing pretty special. Dodgers start the season
two and zero.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
So J Mac.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
The Aaron Rodgers news is you and I have kind
of been confused by Minnesota. There was the Darnald may
Ree sign Daniel Jones last year, Aaron Rodgers flirtation. I've
not quite understood all of it. My take is that
November surgery. There's still some questions for JJ McCarthy, but
(09:47):
this was the best spot for Aaron. Left tackle, receivers, coach, momentum,
play indoors know the division that this was easily the
best situation.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Certainly, you know he wanted to be in Minnesota right
give and set up there, but I just you got
to feel bad for the guy at this point.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, nobody wants him. Well, I think I think people
would take him. But it's the terms are different now.
You know the terms used to be. You know, when
you're in your prime and you're great, the terms are
your terms. You have you have the leverage, you have
the pull the levers. Uh, he doesn't. And so it's
it's kind of dried up. And and also when you
(10:25):
get to this age to be one thing, if you're
twenty seven and you're like, listen, i'm gonna I'm gonna
go vacation, I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna train if
you want me, I'm out there. It's not the way
it works. When you're forty. You you you if you're
not training every day, spending a million bucks to get
elite and stay elite, you age. I mean you age
fast in this lead to begin with. You really age
fast when you're not at practice every day.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
Remember Tom Brady was like, I'm leaving the Patriots. Who's interested?
And there were people clamoring for his services. Yeah, Aaron
Rodgers now on the market. Kind of crickets.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
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Speaker 1 (11:03):
App and we'll get to what Draymond did last night.
He was remarkable against Giannis, and I'll get to that
in a couple of minutes. He was shut him down
to a large degree. So Steph takes the night off
and the Warriors win, you know, kind of going away.
And it's interesting when you watch Yokich over the last
two to three years and you watch Wemby last year
as a rookie in this year, it makes Yannis look
(11:25):
much more incomplete. He doesn't shoot, doesn't he never developed
a mid range game. He doesn't shoot a three, and
so it's all about a physical mismatch and getting to
the basket, which he does, but that takes a physical
toll on you. All you have to do is go
ask Shack. But the time Shaq hit thirty two and
thirty three, he wasn't quite the same player. So Jannis
(11:47):
has become sort of like Lamar Jackson, if Lamar hadn't
developed into a great pocket passer. Yet there's very little
dimension to Jannis's game, and especially when you watch Wemby
and you you just see different dimensions. It's a space
and shooting league and he hasn't developed one. So don't
get me wrong. He's an all time great, and so
with Shaq. And he gets to the free throw line
(12:09):
a ton, but he's only shooting sixty percent from the
free throw line. I think this morning we saw he
has over one hundred misses from the free throw line
from second place in the league. So again, very much
like Shaq, but Shaq played in a different era where
bully ball was good enough. Bully ball can dominate. It
doesn't anymore, especially if you don't hit your free throws.
(12:30):
It's a space and shooting league. And you watch Jokic,
he's a point center. You watch Wemby breaking guys down
on the angle. So Iannis is a great athlete, but
Draymon last night largely shut him down. And here was
Steve Kerr after.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
Draymond that defense tonight on Yannis was incredible to hold
him to five field goals. Draymond showed why he's still
one of the great defense in the world and why
he's so important to winning night after night.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, and again nobody's I'm not trying to dissuade you
that that Giannis isn't an all time great player. And
they got a title, but there there aren't a lot
of dimensions, and when you start comparing him, it's like, yeah,
it does feel like he's easier to defend. You're not
gonna hold Yokic to five field goals. In fact, Draymond
Green would tell you Jokis is the one guy that
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nobody can defend. I mean, Draymond can't, nobody can't, Rudy
Gobert can't. And that's because there's so many things he
can do well. So, I mean, I still think he'd
be a great fit to the New York Knicks. But
you know the NBA, we always talked about Dwight Howard.
You know, he aged really fast and you know, the
big rebound, block shot guy without a lot of post moves.
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One day it mattered, one day it didn't. And for
Draymond to shut him down like that shows you you
can defend him.
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Speaker 1 (15:07):
So remember it was a couple of days agoes Monday
and I said there are certain sports debates that as
an adult, they're beneath you like arguing who the sixty
eighth best team in college basketball is. Remember, everybody was
upset in West Virginia. The governor is is gonna be
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legal action? And oh good hell North Carolina only got
in because they're a big brand. I don't have a
problem with that. If it's the last playing game. I
mean again, CBS and TNT pay for the wedding. They
can't have one seating chart suggestion. So anyway, well, the
ad was a committee chairman.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They won by twenty seven last night, led by forty,
which is unheard of in college basketball. And they're also
favored over number six seed Old miss from the best conference,
the SEC. The hand ringing, the pearl clutching West Virginia
outrage once again playing the victim. Oh my god, people,
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I mean again, the JFK files are out. There's a
conspiracy theory. You can all pursue it. Just it never
fails that whenever we bash a team for like being
into the tournament, they get inspired by that, like North Carolina,
and play their butts off for the next two games.
You see this in college football years ago, when a
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coach would complain about not getting a bull bid. He wanted,
and that bled over to his team, and that team
would go into a bull and get housed. And it's like,
if you enjoyed this forty eight hour West Virginia embarrassing
temper tantrum for a team that went nineteen and thirteen.
The coach was so much about West Virginia. A day
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later he took the Indiana job.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Really, I'm fighting for us, I'm fighting for the University
Private Jet of Bloomington. It doesn't matter neither West Virginia
or Carolina are winning three or four games. But the
fact that Carolina, a bubble team led by forty last night. Again,
if they would have been beaten by forty, all you
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West Virginia fans would have rushed to the innerweb to
remind us you were right. So we're here to remind
you you weren't. If you lead by forty in our
favorite over an SEC team, it's not an egregious pull
to get North Carolina in Again. You to run to
the internet if they got smoked last night, So don't. Well,
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this doesn't make it right, no, but it makes it legitimate.
It's a legitimate team in the tournament. If you're favored
in your first official game in the tournament. It's all arguing.
Once you get to the end, once you get out
of the one, two, three, and four seeds and some
automatic stuff, well, it's just all debates. So I will
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root for North Carolina. I've said before. I had somebody
last night I remember her name was Jennifer came up
and said, well, you won me seven hundred dollars last
year because I took Connecticut. Looking at your bracket, Well,
I said, who'd you take this year? She is, I
went to your bracket again and took Auburn. And so
I said, just to let you know, Auburn's not as
good as Connecticut. The SEC is great. She took all
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four of my picks.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You know why.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
You know, it's funny about this. A lot of people
are saying, why didn't you take Duke. I'm always a
little reluctant when your best players a freshman. And I'm
not saying Cooper Flag's not great. But Duke's got a
couple of kids that are really young, whereas Arizona's got
like a fifth year Caleb loves like a fourth or
fifth year senior. Yeah, it's like, I think age matters.
(18:52):
We just talked about coaching age. I think it's hard
even if you have the beat. I mean, look at
John cal Pari, who's more than capable as a coach
title why because his teams were all freshmen and he
would get into these situational moments in a freshman guard, who,
by the way, will get drafted number four and have
a nice NBA career at eighteen, the pressure of March
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Madness playing a junior or a senior from Syracuse. I'll
take the junior senior in that moment in that game.
That's a great point. UNC, though, has a good draw.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
They face ole Miss next, Yes, and ole Miss is
on like a three eleven and one against the spread
street They're they're not really playing well. I think UNC
could probably take down Michigan State. But your point on
Duke is interesting because I know Cooper.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Flag is a freshman. He's only eighteen.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
He started the season in his seventeen year old Yeah,
but Colin, you know the stat net rating in the NBA.
You look at that a lot. Do you get the
highest net rating in college basketball in the last twenty years, Colin,
twenty years?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
That's insane.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
The last twenty years, the highest net rating.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
In the sport. Yeah. No, I mean, I understand why
people are betting him. They've got the best player. It's
a big brand, and they're very good. I'm not denying that.
What I'm saying is the conference they were in this
year was not close to the SEC, and I think
what you're gonna see. I think you're gonna see Tennessee, Florida, Auburn.
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You're gonna see some of these SEC teams that were
in incredibly intense, sold out arenas NBA bodies everywhere. We
saw this for years in college football when the SEC
ruled teams would go to the SCC from the SEC
would be like a number five SEC team. They'd go
to like the Sun Bowl or some bowl game and
they play number two or three team from their conference
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and roll them because they've been in all these high leverage,
intense games against pro level athletes. So I think the
SEC is gonna Now they may not win it, but
I think the SEC by the end of this weekend,
you're gonna be like, yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
So they have fourteen teams in the field, Okay, what
if they go I don't know, like you know, they
lose like five games on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That's possible.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Are people can owe SEC overrated?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, fourteen teams? Well yeah, if people will say that
and they will have teams lose, Ole Miss could be
one of them. But if you and again you watch
more college basketball than me. But I came to you
mid January on the air. I remember a couple of
times I said, are you watching some of these SEC games?
They jumped off the TV. More skill from the perimeter, more,
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I would say, more balance offense, the defense like the
Big Ten, Michigan is size, Michigan State is defense. Wisconsin.
I'm not sure what they are offensively. The Big Ten's
got a style. SEC's got better athletes, and I think
they have just more dexterity offensively.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
What's your excitement level on watching the games like all day?
Are you like sitting from the Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
No mars Ulets, you want to go to a watering
hole at some point?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
No, No, I don't know, I just sit down. Well.
I like how they bring in new games, kind of
red zone it where you're getting, you know. I think
it's one of the great weekends in sports in America.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
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Speaker 1 (22:05):
Nineteen years in the NFL. How about that second oldest
player looks great t Aaron Rodgers, by the way, who
always appreciated you. Mercedes Lewis, the former UCLA Bruin. God,
you were drafted back in two thousand and six by
the Jags. That you I remember your college career. So
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we were talking during the break. It is interesting I
can remember now I'm old enough to remember when Benny
Cunningham for the Steelers was like he made it a
targeted game. And then you'd see Kellen Winslow and you're like,
well that's a once o a twenty year player. It
feels like there's a lot more Kellen Winslow ish guys
coming out of college. What is the single biggest change
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at tight end from this past year to your rookie year.
Speaker 10 (22:54):
Well, I would say, obviously I came in at a
time where it was more run, heavy play action pass,
let's control the clock being then extra extension of the
line and if we need you to stress the field, great,
here you go, catch your bone to come back and
come block this power play, right, so as far as
the change though, every like, tight ends now are more
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spread out, and I think the responsibility of the tight
end is changing as time, you know, as time goes on, right,
Like you, When I came in, it was like, okay,
you have your number one tight end, and then you
know you'll have two tight ends behind me, but they're
not really going to be expected to do much work, right.
It's special teams, and if I need a break or
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my shoe comes untied, I'll come out.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Somebody comes in.
Speaker 10 (23:43):
Now, what you're saying, teams are starting to get more guys,
you know, more depth at these different positions to kind
of take the workload off of the number one guy.
So for instance, Travis Kelce right, Elite passed Casher. You
know what you're going to get out of him. You
want to keep it as fresh as possible, so you're
gonna have him there, and then who's behind him Gray?
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You'll have Noah Gray, who's your guy that can kind
of do it all right, and then the guy behind
nor Gray is going to be the more utility guy,
special teams guy. All in in effort to keep the
number one guy healthy, right and continue to develop the
guys behind Travis.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
But that's what it's more geared towards now, and I
like it.
Speaker 10 (24:23):
It's kind of like when you think of like the
running backs and you have like your your guy who's
going to run in between the tackles, your bruiser, and
then you got your guy that is catching, you know,
catching the ball out the backfield, pitches, sweeps and things
of that nature. But it keeps guys fresh and throughout the.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Course of a year.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You need that some of some of what you've done
is you know. I mean, I remember when you came
out of college. It's like, could this guy play in
the NBA? Remember Dave Winfield a baseball You had a
Dave Winfield quality. You're like, he just decided to play
a sport. You could have played more than one. So,
but I wonder how much of nineteen years is just mindset.
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Do you think that matters?
Speaker 10 (25:08):
Yeah, I think that's a good point. Obviously, the physical
part of this game. You know what you're signing up for.
I've been playing football so I was seven years old,
and it's something that I've grown accustomed to. But my
mentality is which sets me apart and having a routine
and my adaptability as well. The game is gonna evolve,
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it's gonna, you know, continue to evolve, and if you
want to have a loan career, then you have to
find ways to kind of keep that edge and do
the same.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
And obviously, when I came out.
Speaker 10 (25:41):
Of UCLA pass catcher, setting records, touchdowns, all of that
got to Jacksonville those first three years was kind of
like a culture shock because we didn't pass the ball
at the rate you know, I caught the ball in college.
But what that did was prepare me for what the
road was going to be ahead, right. That was getting
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that gristle on my bones and really embracing the grind.
And I've been able to weaponize the grind throughout my career.
And you know, nowadays, when the expectations are a certain way,
I've already been through that. I know what it looks like.
So I'm able to lead from the front and help
the guys that are coming behind me and let them
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know that, like, this.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Is truly a privilege to be in this league. And
if you want to play for a long time, and.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
You know, you want to have a really successful career,
it's about the grit and the grind.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
And that's what I thrive off of.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So cold comment. Notre Damer. I met him at the
USC Notre Dame game. Really engaging guy. That's my guy,
really nice guy. And so you were in Chicago. I'm
moving the base of our show to Chicago and I'm
going there after the show and wife's families there is
you know, J Mac is like, I can't take the
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cold weather. Now you're a West Coast guy, can you
at least acknowledge to J Mac? Chicago's a fun time.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
I will say this. Obviously. I played twelve years in
Jacksonville five and Green Bay. I just finished my second
in Chicago. I think the city of Chicago is probably
one of my favorite cities I've ever been in. And
I was born in Long Beach. I went to UCLA, right,
Love Love La. This is where I'm from, this is
where the family is. But Chicago is probably one of
my favorite cities to ever be in architecture, everything, man,
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the food is amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
The people are just great.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
People dress up.
Speaker 10 (27:32):
Yeah, no, it's and you mentioned the cold, Like, yes,
it is cold, we do understand that, but like I
feel like I dressed the best when it's cold.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
You know what I mean I can layer up. I
can wear my trench coats for my hoodies and everything.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Okay, I tell him that, you know, you know when
I tell my wife this, yeah, I'm like, man, you
are in the winter. She's got layers that come on. Yes,
like that's got good looking people.
Speaker 10 (27:57):
Yes, that's what it's about. Like I'm telling you, when
it's hot outside. Sometimes in when I'm in my house,
i don't even know what I'm wearing. Like I'll leave
out with swim trunks with a hoodie just because I'm like.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
What maybe cold?
Speaker 10 (28:08):
You know la is It's like, yeah, says seventy eight,
but the breeze, Like, I don't give me something that
I know if it's gonna be sixty, I'm a dressed
like it's sixty and I know exactly what I'm walking into.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
So I enjoy it like it's a good time.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So we do worry a little about Caleb Williams. And
I've said this, I love him personally. I mean, he's
a good guy his and I think this was a
fair not even a criticism, it was a fair kind
of summation of him in college sometimes. And I think
a lot of this was he didn't trust his own line.
He just wouldn't out them publicly. Is that he was
kind of a big play guy instead of taking the
lay up, which that's the NFL. Mahomes takes a lot
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of layouts, no doubt. You know, Michael Jordan about twice
a night was jaw dropping. Other than that, Michael hit
a lot of eighteen footers. He just come down, and
that he was a little prone to go wild, play
over just boom, boom boom. Did you sense a little
bit of that early in him growing out of that?
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, I think you know, when you have a guy
like Caleb and the ability that he has to get.
Speaker 10 (29:06):
That ball out of his hand and throw off platform
and make it look make hard stuff look very easy,
and if you're doing it in college and you've been
able to get away with it in college, obviously the
natural progressions when you come into the league you're going
to try to do some of those things. And so
I think, you know, in his defense, obviously, with our
offense last year, the firing of coaches and it was
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a lot going on, and he was just trying to
do the best job he could at trying to take
on all the information. Obviously, the offense kind of like
shifted midway through the season, like it was just it
was just a lot going on for him. And I
think that, you know, obviously bringing Ben Johnson in and
being able to pair him with Caleb and Caleb's ability
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to kind of be who he is, and Ben is
going to be able to get in there and get
into his mind and kind of create this offense around
Calyb so that you know, he understands destructure how things
should work in the NFL, and you know, you're not
going to question Ben's ability to put guys in position
to make plays and right you know, I'm looking forward
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to watching it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's going to be what are you going to play again?
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (30:17):
Yeah, I mean I'm at nineteen obviously that's all I
find the dandy, But twenty I don't know where yet.
You know, there's been a few teams probing to kind
of see if I'm going to continue to play, and
so it's all in the universe's hands and I'm just
gonna do my job like I've always done this offseason
and train my butt off and I'll be ready when that.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Would you like to go to Chicago?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Of course, that's best case scenario.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, yeah, what's second best case scenario? You know, Chargers
could use a they could use a tough guy.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
Yeah, I'm gonna leave that open to interpretation. I'm not gonna,
obviously for me to put Chicago out there. I've been
there the last two years. I'm familiar with you got guys,
the process, and you know that work and what they
expect and what's expected of me. Right, And obviously they
got they fired their coaching staff, but they kept my
tight end coach who I've had the last two years
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there and so would be great to finish my career
with him. Jim dre is somebody that I respect a lot,
and he you know, brings the best out of us.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
In that room.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
And being able to continue to watch co commit kind
of develop and do his thing as he comes into
his own and you know, would just be a blessing.
So you know, obviously, what I can control is being
being my personal best and working out and doing my thing,
and I'll be ready when that time comes.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
So you know, Aaron well I said, I kind of
thought he would, uh, Minnesota works. I would have gone
to Minnesota. I could see Aaron at this point saying,
you know, what I kept telling people. I think he
likes New York. I think he's a smart guy, likes
the city. It's fabric. I think New York is a
like Chicago, big art cities for you know, museums and architecture,
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and there's just there's always somewhere to go in New York,
in Chicago or London. I could see him going to
New York. They got a left tackle, offensive coach, weapon,
great running back draft. But I could also see Aaron saying, listen,
Mount forty one a little bumpy at the end, first
bout Hall of Famer. If you had to guest today
retirement Steelers Giants, do you have a guest?
Speaker 5 (32:26):
My guests would maybe be the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
You like the Steelers. They don't have a left tackle
that worries me.
Speaker 10 (32:32):
I think I just think that him coming from the Jets,
obviously already being in New York. I don't know me
knowing a Rod, I don't know if you want to
just go right over to the Giants after being with
the Jets, Like I just I feel like he want
more of like just something completely new, completely different, potentially
get out of New York. I know him and Tomlin
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have a really good relationship yeah, and a good you know,
rapport there and it's just a still city. I feel
like that's the piece that they would need to potentially
put them over the top as well. But if I,
you know what's having a conversation with Aaron right now
about coming back, I would just say, chase joy, not happiness.
Happiness is fleeting if you don't find joy in football
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and everything that comes with it anymore. As far as
you know, being scrutinized and everybody picking you apart from
the outside, you've done enough. You know you are one
of the best that I've ever done it, and like
you said, first ballot and a really good friend of mine.
So I just, whatever it is, take the time to
kind of figure that out. He always knows he can
lean on me and hit me at whenever he wants
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to kind of sort through it. But he's definitely done enough.
So it'd be interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Is he misunderstood.
Speaker 10 (33:44):
Yeah, I mean I think for people that don't know me,
I would be misunderstood as well, you know what I mean.
Like it's just one of those things like if you
don't know somebody personally, you're going to form your own
opinions based on second hand and third hand information that
you've got, and then.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Does a rid kind of provoke it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Because he knows. I think I've said this before, he
can be combative, okay with his family. I'm not making
stuff up. And I've said and I I've met Aaron
Wance at the SPS very very quick and even in
that little forty five second moment, he's got a big
opinion and he'll tell you and he didn't know me,
and I'll never say what was said. But my take
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is that's who he is.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly, I mean I that's just
who he is. And if you don't really have the
time to kind of like sit there and get to
know him and be with him on the day in,
the day day out, basis, your opinion is probably going
to be just like everybody else's opinion that don't really
know him. And so, you know, I'm grateful to have
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had those moments with him, and you know, we've actually
spent holidays together and you know, spent a lot of
time together kind of picking his brain and it's it's
just a different psychosis that makes you great. And he's
one of those guys. And and he loves football, Yeah,
he loves it. Man, Just how he prepares, how it
comes to work. You know a lot of people don't
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understand too is And I'll leave it with this. You know,
friendships and connections as far as who you respect at
the professional level, even really at the college level, it's
based on how you come to work and what you
what you do in the film room, how you are
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on the field, how you cheat people around the building
like that, that's your value. And uh, if you're one
of those guys that does it the right way and
he is, and how he leads from the front end
of the building, Uh, you're gonna be best friends. And
if you're not, you know, he's gonna you're gonna find
out real quick, you know. And a Rod is one
of those guys like he's not he's not necessarily gonna
(35:54):
pull you aside him Like, man, I don't really like this.
He's just not gonna talk to you, you know.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
What I mean? And like that's just what it is.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Everybody's different. Who's the biggest trash talker you line up
against career and currently a guy that like Max Crosby,
he said, he's like a radio announcer, like he's just talking.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
Max, Max does talk a lot, but Max backs it
up a lot, so he he could say whatever.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Han.
Speaker 10 (36:25):
Yeah, he's he's a dude, and he's one of those guys.
Whether it's Max crossby Miles Garrett, whenever I'm gone against
those two guys, I know that the night, like the
night before, my body feels different because I know that, like, uh,
come Sunday morning, I'm gonna need all of what I have,
uh in order to get my job done. And I
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think that's the beauty of competition in general. And if
I don't feel that, then it may be an issue.
And I have to like sometimes muster that up right.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
And and Max is one of those guys. It's just different.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Yeah, it's just different. You just know that you're gonna get.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
You're gonna you're gonna get a handful of every single play, NonStop.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
This is what it is.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
Whether you block them, great, just know that the next
play he's coming after you. And but that's what I
thrive off of, Like that's you don't have guys like
that no more. Like Max is an old school guy.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
He is a raider from the seventh you know, what
I mean, Like, he's just an.
Speaker 10 (37:21):
Old school guy, and like I think for me, that's
what I appreciate more are guys that are that way.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
And you're gonna have.
Speaker 10 (37:28):
Guys that talk a lot, but if you're not backing
it up like that, then it becomes whatever. Right, Like
you can watch the film and he jumps off the
film every single place, so you know what you're getting right,
and you know, those are the type of guys you
respect every day.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
So man, we only get you like twice a year.
I know. Man, I gotta you're busy life.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah, I gotta start buy it more.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Well, no, no, no, it's not your responsibility. I'll just
have to fire my guest booker. It's mcdell. So you
do you still live over by my favorite restaurant?
Speaker 10 (37:57):
Yeah, so I'm still over there. I'm actually now in
Studio City, though I moved down. I just wanted to
try some little different. It was being in the Sino
was kind of far. Oh yeah, you know, coming back
this way. But I'm a joining Studio City and I'm
there for now.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
So we'll see, man, I love to see you with
the bears.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Oh man, let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I'm in the Birds now too.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Yeah, no, they have my numbers. But you know, I
like it, like it.
Speaker 10 (38:23):
I like being just far enough away. But if I
want to go get it, you know, I mean it's la.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
So maybe who's the biggest personality in the bird Like
a funny guy. Every locker room's got a funny guy, I.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Would say, uh, DJ Moore.
Speaker 10 (38:37):
DJ is like he's unassuming too, Like DJ is quiet
at like face value, but like once you get to
know him, it's pranks, jokes, like he's he's a dude.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
I love DJ.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
A great player, no doubt. Mercedes Lewis, what a pleasure.
Maybe we'll go into business someday, let's do it. I
got a podcast company, sign me up? Would very popular?
Kids like it.
Speaker 10 (38:59):
Yeah, we've been talking about this for a long time now,
and I got one more that I want to get,
get twenty and then wow, just get it, man, Not.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Like you'd need it, but you're gonna have quite a pension.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
I appreciate.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Hey.
Speaker 10 (39:13):
You know what's funny about that is like you don't
really think about those things because you're you're literally in
the grind. And then guys don't necessarily play for this
long so you don't really even Yeah, but here's the
wild thing. Yes, there'll be a pension there, but it's
more so like some of the things you can't even
have access to to your forty five, I'll be forty
one in May, like who finishes playing, and then like
(39:34):
if I wanted to, it's like, oh yeah, cool, two
or three years, I could just.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
You could be president, Like in forty two, the number
on presidency. I think I just retire bears and run
for off. But believe me, we could use lots of
leadership in the Oh my gosh, Mercedes great. See anybody likewise.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Appreciate you, brother, Appreciate it.
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