March 21, 2025 • 42 mins
Doug talks to Drake head coach Ben McCollum about their upset win over 6-seed Missouri
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
What Up. Welcome in this and the Herd wherever you
may be in however you may be making this part
of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Otley in
for Colin Cowhard. It's the second ay of the NCAA Tournament.
It may be decision day for Aaron Rodgers. We're getting
closer and closer to the rest of Major League Baseball season,
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getting it away and hopefully where you are, it's as
nice as the weather where I am because spring has arrived,
and wow is it? Is it nice? I know we
had that midweek well mini blizzard running through the northern Midwest.
Outside of that, some some nice weather along the way.
Welcome in and thanks so much for joining me. Colin
(01:11):
is back on Monday. There are some similarities to Aaron Rodgers,
as you just heard from Dan Byer, who works with
me on my show, that Doug Gottlieb Show, which broadcast
daily three to five Eastern twelve to Pacific Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
iHeart Ready.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Ap Dan reported that Or said, the report is out
that Aaron Rodgers is visiting the Pittsburgh Steelers facility. And
it's kind of interesting, right in college basketball, the portal
opens on Monday, and and I don't know how many
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of you know this, but now there are lots of
players that thought going into the season like this is it,
this is my last year. I'm done. I'm There are
six year seniors, seventh year seniors, whatever, like hah, I'm done.
And then there was a ruling with a the quarterback
of Vanderbilt who went to junior college and I believe
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one of the years in junior college they didn't have
a season because of COVID whatever. Anyway, he got an
extra year. So now there's a blanket ruling where if
you played junior college or any I A NAIA basketball,
you get an extra year. So there are lots of
guys who like thought they were that they were done.
They're like, hey, you know what, I might go do
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this again, and they'll like Aaron Rodgers go and have
a visit, and uh, and maybe you know they won't
sign with Pittsburgh Steelers, but they'll sign with your team.
I bring it up because our next guest is the
head coach of the Drake Bulldogs. He won four national
championships at the Division two level, and I think in
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the summer his one of his star shooters, Mitch Muscari,
was going into the private sector, like he was gonna
go work for a living. And well, let's just let
coach McCullum tell the story. Drake Bulldogs win the Missouri
Valley regular season, win their conference tournament championship. They're thirty
one and three. Then they take down Missouri yesterday. Now
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they get ready to take on Texas Tech grit McCaslin,
who ironically told us just last hour they scrimmaged Drake
in the secret scrimmage earlier this year, and now they
play each other in the second round the NCAA tournament.
And coach McCullum joins us on Fox Sports Radio, Ben,
how are you.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I'm great? How about yourself, Doug, I'm.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Not a not as good as you, not with your team, Okay,
So help tell this story here, right, you get the
Drake job, and Mscari was already working or was gonna
go work.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
What happened, Yeah, he was gonna go work.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
You know. I got the Drake job, and.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I obviously had three coming with and I thought Mitch
was done and he had a really good financial job
in Chicago. He never ended up starting it though, but
he was going to start it, you know, within the
next couple of months of graduation from from Northwest Missouri
State and the last day he put his name in
the portal, and I think he just did it, you know,
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just kind of making sure that, you know, if he
wanted to he could, he could play again. And I
was like, ohoner, what are you thinking? So I called him,
I'm like, well, do you want to play? He's like,
I don't know. I was just kind of thinking about it.
I said, well, if you want to do that, let's
just do it here. And he said okay, And so
he thought about it for a while and then eventually
(04:29):
just you know, decided, hey, this is this is something
that I want to do. It was a tough It
was a tough decision for him because I couldn't give
him a lot of advice because I knew I had
something to gain from it, and so you know, when
kids trust you with advice and you have something to
gain in the process, you know, you just can't really,
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you know, say you should do this, but he should
do it, and obviously he ended up doing it, which
has been great.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
What's it like to take this group and many of
them you mentioned you had three now four coming with
from the Division two level. What's it like to go
through this where everybody falls back on the story, Hey,
their division two guys when you're take them down, go
back to the preseason, when you win in Charleston, you
beat k State, you beat Vandy, what what is what
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is that like for you? When when you have a
group of guys that you've been with at the Division
two level to play so well at this.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Level, you know, it's been it's been a blast. You know.
I think.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
I think the thing for for me in particular, when
you take this job, it's it's it is a lonely
feeling when.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
You take over a job at this level and you
don't have.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
A lot of players, like it's very lonely. And when
you're able to take three or four of your guys,
four of your guys with you and show up day
one and at least you know you've got guys that
are you know, essential in your foxhole right in. Guys
they're going to fight for what the program means and
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fight for your culture and fight for the effort and.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
That sort of thing. And so it was a big
deal to get them.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Obviously, it was a big deal to get everybody though,
and a lot of those guys came on just blind faith,
you know where It's like they didn't have to come
to Drake for an unproven at Division one, Division two guy,
and they did. And so obviously it became, you know,
everybody together, everybody connected, and it.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Was fun.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Starts, you know, we when we prepare for you guys
who were like, holy cal, this is the best guy
we've seen all year. And granted we're the Rizon League,
but we played Oaklham State, we played Ohio State, we
played Providence and he's a special player. When did you
first see Starts play in high school?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
When he was a junior.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
When he was a junior, he made the state championship,
I believe, and lost in the state title game, and
no one really was recruiting him at the Division one level,
and I didn't understand why. But so then we chose
to recruit him at the Division two level, and I
thought at that point, I'm like, this kid is no
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brainer mid major. You know, we're going to steal another one.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Obviously now he's probably you know, fringe NBA, and I
think eventually.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
He's probably going to be an NBA player, you know,
when it's all.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Said and done.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He just had such a good demeanor.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
He's an elite passer, He's an unselfish person. He's an
unselfish player, you know, and he listens and wants to
be good.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
He just he just gets it.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
And so it certainly helps that he's on our team.
And and you know, it also helps that we coached
him for two years. You know, I coached him for
two seasons prior, and so that that really benefited us
as well.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
No, no, out, was there any special hitch in his
gidea up because it was Missouri?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
No, not not really, I think Kansas State. It wasn't.
It was just the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Was probably he was excited about because, you know, to
be quite honest, it's like, uh, you know, I had
another guard Trevor Hudgens for a while.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Well, you know, like and everybody's like, we why didn't
ky State offer? Why? Kid?
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Because he wasn't good enough for kse State right away? Right,
that's why they didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Right if you if you saw him when he was sixteen,
you would have said he's not not good enough. You know,
I had that.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, I don't. I don't, like, I don't know if
I can. I can't say. Obviously, guys names whatever. I
don't know inportal, not in portal. But yeah, we played
against a guy this year who lit us up at
the Division two level and they were, you know after
the game, like why didn't you offer him? Like I
wasn't here and when I got here, he wasn't in
the portals, Like, I don't know what you're like. We
do ask things of people, which are it which are unfair?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Do you?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Does I think everyone knows that if you can coach
at the Division two level, you can coach division one level.
Bruce Pearl's proved that. You've proved that others have as well.
Does this change in your mind the perception of recruiting
Division two players to transfer up to the Division one level.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
No, it probably does, but that's because people don't think
for themselves times, you know, I mean it's like, oh,
D two players are great, Let's everybody go get twenty
five D two players, because there's a recency biased already
to it, and so it's I don't know, like I
think too often, you know, in college coaching and even
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hiring coaches and stuff like that, there becomes a biased
to you know, all of a sudden because a D
two guy has success, every D two guy can have success,
and that's just not that's just not the case. Or
you know, a few you know, on an AI guy
can be just good, a JUCO guy can be just
as good. And same concept for players, like just because
some Division two guys have success doesn't necessarily mean that
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every D two guy is going to have success, but
it does mean that you can find good players anywhere,
and you just kind of have to trust your own
eye on some of those things.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
And in today's society, it's it's.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
A lot more difficult to trust your own eye, just
because social media and all those different things that are like,
you know, even when we took this job, and you know,
there's probably fifty to fifty split where you know, fifty
percent of fans would be like, and I can't wait
to watch these guys.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I think they'll be great.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
And then there's another fifty percent that was like, I
can't believe they're taking d two guys and they're going
to be awful.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And so you just can't listen to that noise. You
just got to trust yourself. And that's that's.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
What we did, and you know, we got a little
lucky to you know, where just those guys showed up
and competed and as the heck of a run and
still continues to be that.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Ben McCollum, head coach, Drake. The Bulldogs are thirty one
and three and they take on Texas Tech the Red Raiders,
who they faced in a sec scrimmage. How much can
you take from the secret scrimmage in getting ready for
a second NCAA tournament.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Game, Man, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I don't know, because they're I mean, they're just so
well coached, you know, I just think they're you know,
they've got obviously hired one of my others. Uh, he's
got he's got Grant, who's one of my close friends.
Who's got Linda, who I talk to about every day. Uh,
he's got Luke who actually played for me, Luke Barnwell,
the chokey more Kobe, Who's who's the ac who's So
(11:31):
it's like their whole staff is really close to me,
and so I'm not sure how much you can take
from that, you know, Uh, I don't think either of.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Us really totally prepared for.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It, if that makes sense, meaning you know those scrimmages,
it's better that I think a lot of people try
to win those scrimmages. Obviously you always want to win
everything you do, but more importantly you want to you
want to see what works, see what lineups work. And
so I'm not sure how much you can actually take
from that scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yes, I wish you would have told me that I
tried to win my scrimmage. And then I was like
at the end of us, like, why did I try
to win my scrimmage? Well, I was trying to show,
you know, a group of young guys, build them confidence
in what we were doing, and have one more point
than an opponent. But again, these are just learning lessons
as you only learned by but by doing. Ben McCullum
joining us, who is the Drake Drake head coach. Okay,
(12:23):
So you went from turning down lots of jobs that
didn't fit. Why did Drake fit?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
A couple of reasons.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
One, I really liked the athletic director, Brian Harden. I
thought he had a good vision for the program. Two,
it was you know, close to home probably you know,
a Midwest guy doesn't mean I, you know, would never
live in any other place in the country. But you know, initially,
just that first jump, I wanted to make sure that
it was also beneficial for my family to get closer
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to family.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
And then you know, it was just the right time.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
You know, I started to notice that I started to
notice that I was I wasn't choosing to come back
to Northwest. I was choosing to not take jobs. And
I think when you start to trend that direction, I
think that probably gives you the indication that it's probably
time to come out of your comfort zone a little
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bit and you know, just see what you could do.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
And and then.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
You know, they were super patient in the process.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Drake was. You know, I think that a lot of
these schools.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
When they hire, which I understand, you know, they they
offer you the job the next day, you got to
decide and it's not really the nature of me. And
so it's my greatest strength and greatest weakness is my patience.
But you know, sometimes it's just is what it is.
And this one just worked out perfect, and you know,
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I got put in a good position and very thankful
for it.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Okay, So with that though, now comes autation. There's other
jobs available. How do you handle that?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Will Wade is like, Hey, I'm taking a state like
that's that's happening, and people are like, whoa wait, that's
that's weird. How are you handling the now speculation about
what could be next for you?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yeah, you know, the same way I've done it for years.
I really try not to. My personality doesn't allow me
to have a divided heart, if that makes sense, and
so I think some people can can multitask. And do
you know what Will Wade is take a job and
still focus on his team and still focus on everything
else associated with it. I'm just different in a personality.
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It doesn't make me right, doesn't make him wrong. It's
just how I do things. And so my attention and
my kids know that my attention is on them and
making sure that you know, we're at our best and
that I fight for what they are and again, has
it hurt me in the past, It absolutely has, but
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it's helped me.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Create a level of loyalty.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
With the people surrounding the program because it's like, I know,
I know where his heart is at, like I know
where it's at, you.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Know, regardless of you know, all these things.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
And speculation and stuff like that is you know, I'm
making sure that I fight for Drake and fight for
these kids and fight for these players. And you know
that's what I've done for seven eight years and approved
it and I'll continue to do it the same way.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
All right.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Most important question is when did you start the white
shirt solid tie?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Look A long time ago.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I probably, gosh, I bet twenty sixteen, probably somewhere in
that range, because I know I had at twenty seventeen
because that was our first national championship.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Probably twenty sixteen, maybe even earlier.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
You know, I used to wear just different color ties,
different colored shirts, you know, different everything. And then I
was like, man, I don't even want to make a
decision because we got to make ten thousand decisions in
the game.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
So I was just.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
You know, I was always that's fascinated by Billy Donovan
and and they just wore a white shirt.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So I just wore a white shirt.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And you don't, Okay, So so then the follow then
the follow up is is that the same blue tie
or there multiple blue ties that that that that look alike?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
It is the same blue tie, always the same blue tie. Yep,
it says the same whole year.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
How do you not get a spot? How do you
not get anything on it? I get coffee on it,
something else.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, it's it's it's used.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Now, it's it's man, that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
What do you see?
Speaker 5 (16:40):
This? A bunch of scrappers.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Now, that's what we do. So it's not.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
There's there's no there's no backup tie. There's there's no
backup tie.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
No no, heck, no no backup players either.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
No.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
We we just the ties is who we are as
a team.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Man.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
We're not perfect, and you know sometimes we're bruised and battered,
but we're always fighting. So that's pretty good. I just
made that up. So but no, it's the same time
all the time.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Well, listen, I appreciate that when I got we got
we had a check for my coaching clinic that I
was able to watch over on the other sideline. I
had no doubt what would happen yesterday. I'm really interested
in what happens tomorrow. We wish you the best of
luck and we'll talk to soon. Thanks so much for joining.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Us, Yes, thanks for having me on all right.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Appreciate its Ben Mccollumy's the head coach of the Drake Bulldogs.
He's won four national titles at the Division two level.
In his first year at Division one, they are thirty
one and three on the year. Coming up next in
the Herd, I'm Doug gotlibin for Colin. Guess who took
another shot at the Pittsburgh Steelers. You'll find out next in.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
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Speaker 3 (17:58):
Doug Gottliebin for Collins, I heard Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio
app two Steelers stories at the same time. Jerry Dulocke,
who covers the team, reports that Aaron Rodgers is visiting
the Steelers' training facility. As we told you yesterday, that
tracks in timing and location So Naji Harris is now
(18:22):
a former Steeler, right, Naji Hearris said this about the
Pittsburgh Steelers offense when he was a Steeler.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
It was just a team where you know, we lost Ben,
we lost a lot of old line. We just didn't
know anything on offense. Really, we didn't have identity. We
had a young guy come to that quarterback. You know,
I was young, the team was young, and I really
didn't have nobody to almost learn from the offensive side.
I think the the veteran guy on that team was
like a two to three year vet and asked me nothing,
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you know what I mean, Like he still learned himself.
And I'm coming in and you know, I'm just trying
to look for people to to, you know, pick their
brain off of. And it was just defensive guys. So
I'll go to the defensive guys to talk to him.
But you know, it wouldn't be too much. They could
tell me about an offensive thing, you know what I mean.
So it was interesting years there. I'll just say that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I mean, so he they were too young and didn't
have an offensive culture. And look, if you're Aaron Rodgers,
like a that's actually has to I think make you
even more drawn to pittsforgh, Like, how could that be
be more drawn to Pittsburgh? Like what Aaron doesn't work
(19:31):
well with is somebody else's system and somebody else's kind
of rigidity. I don't think he will deal well with
rigid people. Does that mean that it's going to be
Aaron's way or the highway? No, again, this is just
a guess. But the difference between the Steelers and the
Jets and their approaches. The Jets made it clear and
(19:53):
made it public that if Aaron wanted to come back,
he would have to give up, you know, the mcaffee thing.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I don't know for a fact if Tomlin will make
him give up the McAfee thing, but my guess is
they will, but they'll never make it public, right, There'll
be some sort of like, hey, look, you can go
pop on here a couple times in the offseason if
you take the gig here, But like, what are we doing.
It's Tuesday, it's your day off, Like, get away from it,
(20:22):
get away from the media. Like if you want to
be here for a year, let's just try and go
with a foot bucket. Let's just try and go one
foot bucket and no one understands this more than me. Right,
I host the national radio show. I coach a college
basketball team, and we didn't play well in year one.
We weren't good enough in year one. Nobody cares about
(20:43):
injuries or having too many younger players or any of that,
or getting the job two months after the portal had opened, like, no,
nobody actually cares. So optics do. But in this particular case,
if it's one last year and you've done the two
years of macafee's show and football, and wouldn't it be interesting, right,
(21:06):
because didn't we have Cam Hayward and he said, do
you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler? Not have be
a Pittsburgh Steeler? That did happen, right, We did play that.
He said that on his own podcast. The point is,
he said on his own podcast. People only want to
pick out these things when something's not going well. When
it goes well, nobody says like, oh, hey, by the way,
he's got a podcast. Does does Cam Hayward have to
(21:32):
give up his podcast?
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Here's here's Cam Hayward two days ago.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
I ain't doing that or darkness darkness treat retreat. I
don't mean any of that crap, like, either you want
to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't. That's that's simple.
That's the pitch. If you want me to recruit, that's
the recruiting pitch. You know, Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want
to be part of it, so be it. If you don't, no,
no skirt on my back.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
But the point of it is now just like, hey,
you know what, are goot off the pot? That's part
of it. But it's also doesn't he have a don't
have a podcast of wasone? Doesn't he have a podcast zone?
I don't think that Najie Harris is saying anything that
most people didn't know they were a ruddless ship. You
(22:20):
can't have that much youth, that much inexperience, even if
there are guys who athletically are past their prime. We
just talked to We just talked to Ben McCullum, who's
the head coach of Drake. What did he say about
the players that he has, Like, hey, I had to
have some guys. He's got older guys. Benjamin Starts, Ben Stirtz,
(22:43):
who's their best player. This is his third year playing
for his coach. So you don't have to.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Do.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
You have to go and teach everything, sure, but you
don't have to teach everything two or three or four times.
And you don't have to how people act and react
when adversity strikes, when lineups get screwed up, when whatever happens.
You know, so much of coaching is about teaching guys
(23:14):
to push through adversity, but specifically how you view them
pushing through adversity collectively. You can't do that when you
have all young guys and they've never experienced that before.
They can't draw on both positive and negative memories of
the past interesting days in Pittsburgh. And it'll be interesting
to see if Aaron Rodgers can write that ship and
give them an offensive identity. All right, let's get to
(23:36):
some of the other news. Here's Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
All right, Doug, on that quick point there, quick point
here on that Aaron Rodgers news. So, as you pointed out,
Jerry du Lac, covering the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette,
initially put out the report about Rogers. He has followed
that up with a bit more information he has he
has posted on his Twitter or ex whatever you want
(24:12):
to call it. Sources have cautioned a commitment from Rogers
may not come today if at all. Just visiting with
coach Mike Tomlin and general manager Omar con.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Hey, I'm just hanging out, hey man. Other than I
was in Pittsburgh and.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
I happened to find myself in the neighborhood. Yeah, and
was just wondering what you guys were up to.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
What is it is pitt pitt University of Pittsburgh. Correct,
it's the Tower of Learning, the Tower of Learning or
Talent of not what is it? They have this big tower.
I think it's called the Tower of Learning. I don't know.
Somebody will somebody will hit us up on the grammar.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Cathedral of Learning. Oh sorry, no, that's.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I don't think it's a Cathedral of Learning.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
The University of Pittsburgh Cathedral of Learning. So it is
at a University of Pittsburgh website Cathedral of Learning, the
Cathedral of Learning. If this is what you're referring to, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It's a big, big building on campus. I was just
I love the you know, he's a big architecture.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I love the architecture Cathedral Learning, And I just happened
upon your practice building, and I just thought, hey, what if,
why not I'll just stop by.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Hey how about you? How about me? We just chat?
Speaker 4 (25:23):
All right?
Speaker 8 (25:24):
So that's the latest. Aaron Rodgers is in Pittsburgh. Aaron
Rodgers is meeting with people of the Pittsburgh Steelers organization.
No decision considered imminent, may not get a decision at all.
So the uh cloud of murky information surrounding Aaron Rodgers continues.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
All right.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
A quick update also as well. Let's talk some March madness.
Of course, we have halftime Baylor five point lead over
Mississippi State halftime, Robert Morris keeping it close with number
two seed Alabama for already to thirty six. Those two
games are in half, and we just tipped off fourteen
(26:04):
seed lipscumb taken on three seed Iowa States Bobby Moe.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
We lost to bib Mo twice. We're up seventeen. The
first time we played them down three starters and they
had a twenty eight nothing run. I was like, man,
what what just happened?
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:18):
That?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Uh, I mean, if you saw it'd be like, I
don't know, is.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
That a life comes at you quick kind of thing?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Or it did?
Speaker 8 (26:27):
It did Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I mean we missed I think seven shots at the
rim during that time and just snowballed on you, like,
what what are we doing here?
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Okay, well, you know, listen, no need, no need to
pick up scabs. Let's move on from it.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
We pick we scabs will continue to be picked.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Okay, listen, hey, you taking that upon yourself. I'm not
going to sit here and argue with you. All Right,
here we go. Let's head on some news items here.
NFL football, the consensus is cam Ward's going to be
the first quarterback taken in the upcoming NFL draft. A
lot of questions about where Shador Sanders will end up landing. Well,
what Sanders does know is that his pocket pass skill
(27:04):
set will set him up for success in the future.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
I mean it always worked in the league. Look at
the history of the league. Not everybody was, you know,
big time runners back then, back in the day. So
he got the greatest quarterback ever. Tim Brady ain't run
too much. So I feel like the best thing for
me is to play from the pocket, and that's what
I'm most comfortable. And now the difference is is I'm
able to adjust to my team, so if I need
to be if I need to, you know, take different
(27:30):
type of drops, if I need to be able to
get a little bit more active, then then I'm able
to do that and to judge my game.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
I mean, he brings up a great point. You know,
we love the big time, dynamic quarterbacks, but it sort
of feels like, I mean, Jalen Hurts is about the
only true dual threat quarterback that we've seen win a
Super Bowl in recent memory. Obviously, Cam Newton got close,
(27:59):
and you know, today's quarterback like a Patrick Mahomes, is
pocket passer who can run when the team necessitates. But
these dual threat quarterbacks that we become enamored with haven't
necessarily been the ones winning Lombardi Trophies.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Oh, I totally agree with that. He's absolutely right. What's
interesting about Shdor Sanders is if he wasn't Dion Sanders kid,
you wouldn't think he's a great athlete. And he's not
sure Yeah, yeah, he's He's kind of Ben Roethlisberger like
in that he he will he'll take a hit, he'll
hold the ball longer and you know, maybe a little
bit too long. And Ben was a was a big
(28:35):
old you know, mean Ben was a tight end up
until his senior year in high school. So Sor Sanders
is a really good athlete. He's just not an elite
level runner. It's just I think people think, well, he's
Dion's son, so he's got to be super fast, and
that's not actually the case. Like is he faster than
like you and me, Like, yeah, he's a great athletes
(28:57):
a quarterback, but is he a is see Lamar Jackson?
Is he no?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (29:04):
And I think ultimately that's sort of and you don't
have to be sure.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You don't have to be that's the knock on Labar, right,
And Lamar has improved from the pocket? Is he good
enough from the pocket to.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Win it off?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Right?
Speaker 8 (29:14):
And I think that's ultimately sort of why a lot
of the consensus is people are landing on cam Ward
right now. Is his raw skill set and athleticism has
a higher end than what we've seen from Shador. And
to what Shoudour was saying there in that interview on
the NFL network is he's like, Hey, I mean I
am athletic, but I just get it done from the pocket.
(29:35):
So certainly going to be interesting to see exactly where
Shador falls A lot of range between Hey, he could
be taken second to Oh no, he's in a free
fall down the draft board. We'll say. In the NFL, here, Doug,
the Eagles are keeping their all pro linebacker Zach Bond,
resigning the breakout star after their Super Bowl win. Well Bond,
after getting his new deal to stay in Philadelphia, he
(29:57):
thinks they're just getting started. Here's what he had to say.
I think about what we did in year one, with
so many new pieces, coaches and players included, I'm really
excited to build on what we did last year. You
see this Eagles team as a sort of a potential
back to back type of championship team.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I don't know that. You know they've lost a lot
of pieces.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Now.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Last time they lost pieces, but they also lost both coordinators.
That not the case this year. Well they did. They
lost an offensive coordinator right to the went to their
Land Saints. But it's I correct, so, but defensive coordinator
remains the same. The answer is no, only in that
(30:40):
if if we use history as our guide, sure of
course we as history as our guide. Do they did?
Speaker 8 (30:45):
They did?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
They draft for this and they have a lot of
young pieces. Yes, they still have Saquon Barkley absolutely. I'll
also point this out, Okay, the the argument against signing
a Saquon Barkley to a long term deal with the
Giants or any of these other running backs wasn't about
year one. It was about years two and especially year three,
that running backs are like pick your favorite foreign car,
(31:08):
are they always in the shop? And you know, Philadelphia
didn't have to, but they did double down on Saquon
Barkley because he performed at such a great level, which
I think will change the running back market towards the future.
But that still doesn't answer the question, can guys can
a running back like that stay healthy after having it
(31:30):
essentially a two thousand yard season and then a Super
Bowl winning postseason. Sure?
Speaker 8 (31:35):
I mean, look, it's obviously well documented now what the
forty nine ers have been dealing with with Christian McCaffrey,
and you know, he's built a little different than Saquon. Saquon,
I guess you would say, is obviously a little bit
of a thicker running back, although they do have a
lot of some not a lot of the same skill set,
but some definite overlap. And you know, unfortunately for Christian,
(31:59):
the story of his career was early in Carolina, he
had those back to back seasons where he was just
an absolute workhorse and super productive, and then he was
injured for two seasons after that and then moved got
traded to forty nine. Ers has had two productive or
had like a half season of production in San Francisco
and then had that huge season where they went to
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the Super Bowl, and then he was hurt again this
entire year. So to your point, there is always going
to be concerns outside of like a Derrick Henry who
seemingly despite how many times you give him the rock,
he's just going to somehow get stronger, some type of
like aberration. But yeah, definitely some concerns that if you
give a guy that many touches year after year, at
some point you might expect that there could be some
(32:44):
injury regression coming. We'll wrap up with this Doug. Former
Panthers and Commander's head coach Ron Rivera has a new gig.
He is being named the general manager for Cal Football.
Welcome to college Sports in twenty twenty five. This also
comes on the heels of Stanford make an injured Luck
their GM of the football team, and Steph Curry taking
on a role with his alma mater at Davidson. So
(33:05):
I'm just kind of curious to run this by you,
as a current head coach in college athletics, what do
you make of these programs bringing in sort of general
managers and obviously sort of a top down structure resembling
that of the pro models we've seen.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Well, it's I think it's needed because it's a lot.
I mean, I'm I'm technically the general manager and head
coach program so between nil budgeting, you know, I actually
have to do it all. We just don't have the
resources for that. You don't need to pay Stephen Curry
(33:40):
for it. I think it's it's it's honestly fascinating. Now
Ajril Wargnowski actually does the work with Saint Bonaventry helps
them in recruiting, identifying players, and in raising you and
budgeting all that other stuff. I don't think STEP's a figurehead,
but I think he's a figurehead, meaning like in and
(34:01):
at time to be watching kids, right, he does. He's
got his own camp. Obviously he has the under Armour connection.
And you know, I'm not sure if they're paying him
or if he's donating or how it's all working. I
also just think it's a great reminder to people, like
what year did Steph Curry play at Davidson? W Take
(34:25):
guess what years? What year did he finished playing at Davidson.
Speaker 8 (34:29):
Fit wasn't it like twenty ten or something like that
or two thousand and nine?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
You know, I mean Tooey, do you know what what year?
Because remember the NCAA tournament year was his sophomore year.
His junior year, they made the NIT they didn't make it,
and then he left early for the NBA. And some
idiot went on ESPN and was like, yeah, I don't
(34:56):
know if he's ready at Oh that idiot was me. Anyway,
The point is that Steph Curry played at Davidson a
long time ago, right, A long time ago. You're talking
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about a guy who is college status. Right, two thousand
and nine was the last year. This is twenty twenty five.
So as much as we all know he played Davidson,
I remember when they beat Georgetown the tournament. I remember
all that stuff. Current college kids not as much, and
(35:38):
so this I do think helps reinvigorate. I know a
couple I know a player who went into the transfer
portal yesterday I asked somebody about, Hey, what about this guy,
and they're like, yeah, Stephen Curry's already gonna he went
to Steph Curry's camps. He's all about Steph Curry's going
to days. So I think that's really a little bit
more what this particular.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
One is about.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Don't you feel old? That's right? Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Heard Line News.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
What were you doing in two thousand and nine?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Ryan?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Just make me feel really really old in two.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Thousand if you would like to know, that was my
senior year of high school.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
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So last night the Lakers basically played their bench and uh,
you know, like almost like Quasichi League roster.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Again.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
What happens when you state that is instinctively people go, oh,
can I do that? God, you're a hater? Like, let's
not call him Doug a Doug, You're a hater. Okay,
let me let me read you their starting lineup, okay,
Gabe Vincent, Okay, it was technically their backup point guard.
(37:58):
I know he started the Miami Heat team that went
to the NBA Finals, but let's just be honest. Jordan Goodwin,
Hey Jackson, Hayes, Dalton Connect and Markkeith Morris. Up the
bench was Cam Reddish, Trey Jamison, Shake Milton, Alex Lynn,
(38:25):
and Bronnie James. That was the entirety of players. The
only Laker who dressed that did not play was Christian Coloco,
who of course has played at Arizona right the young
big guy. So it was or, you know, if you
want to do in Major League Baseball terms, a bullpen day,
it's bullpen day. So Brownie had seventeen points last night,
(38:46):
shot the bow well two or four from three, seven
to ten, from the line, seven to ten, from overall,
hit a free throw, ends up with seventeen to five three,
did have four assists. Was a minus thirty six, but hey,
Shake Milton, who's you know started for the Philadelphia seventy
six ers. He was a minus thirty seven, so he
(39:07):
wasn't the only one that was a big minus. They
got beat one eighteen to eighty nine, so kind of
like empty calories. Those are empty stats, but let's not
kid ourselves. Those are far and away his best stats
and his the most minutes that he's played in the NBA.
So he's trended upwards in the G League, and that's
his first trend upwards in the NBA. Here's his head
(39:28):
coach JJ Reddick after the game.
Speaker 11 (39:30):
You know, we've obviously monitored him in the G and
I feel like he's, you know, in those sort of
endgame situations when he's gotten a chance to play with us,
he's he's been really good. So not surprised by tonight.
And I think his confidence is growing because you mentioned
(39:53):
the word comfort. That's that's certainly there for him. And
I think the next step is is, you know, becoming
like like an elite conditioned athlete, because when he does
that with his physical tools and just his like burst
(40:17):
and his handle, and you know, we think he's going
to be an above average to really good NBA shooter.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, that that doesn't sound it. There's a bunch of
compliments there, but there was also something there that I
heard that didn't sound like a compliment. When he gets
into elite physical condition, that's a very very nice political
way of saying, hey, imagine if he was in shape. Now,
(40:48):
in fairness to Bronnie, played thirty minutes last night. I
mean he never played thirty minutes or come close in
the NBA. And when you played thirty minutes and you're
not used to playing that much, you're going to be guessed.
But when your coach says, hey, when you get into
elite physical condition, now the other part he's like, well,
he's been good for us. When when was that moment
(41:08):
in endgame when he's been good for you? You know,
he played sixteen minutes, fifteen minutes and twelve minutes. That's
the most he's played all year, and up until yesterday
he had the second lowest field goal percentage of anybody.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
In the NBA.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
It's an important distinction. It's like when people say, oh,
they said Jalen Hurts couldn't throw or Lamar Jackson couldn't throw,
Like nobody said they can't. It's not like they It's
not like Tim Tebow that used to throw ground balls
to people. It's non spirals. Was he trying to spike
(41:45):
that or was he trying to throw that one for
a first down? That's not what we're saying. Well, you're saying,
you're comparing. It's like Shador Sanderson, you're comparing. All right,
can you throw like Mahomes? Can you throw like Kirk Cousins?
Can you throw like Aaron Rodgers? Can you throw like
Josh Allen? Can you throw like you know? It's a
the The evawl is quite different. But when you say, hey,
(42:10):
he's got it when he gets once he gets into
elite physical condition, that means he's not he's not in
great shape. I would push back on JJ on whether
or not he can be an elite shooter when he's
never been a lead shooter at any level ever before.
So no, I'm not going to take back my evaw
But yes, it's pretty obvious that he's still has confidence
and he's improving. That's the half wayale meet chat. Can
(42:33):
older coaches still hang? Let's discuss next in the hurd
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It may be decision day for Aaron Rodgers. We're getting
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and wow is it? Is it nice? I know we
had that midweek well mini blizzard running through the northern Midwest.
Outside of that, some some nice weather along the way.
Welcome in and thanks so much for joining me. Colin
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is back on Monday. There are some similarities to Aaron Rodgers,
as you just heard from Dan Byer, who works with
me on my show, that Doug Gottlieb Show, which broadcast
daily three to five Eastern twelve to Pacific Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
iHeart Ready.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Ap Dan reported that Or said, the report is out
that Aaron Rodgers is visiting the Pittsburgh Steelers facility. And
it's kind of interesting, right in college basketball, the portal
opens on Monday, and and I don't know how many
(01:45):
of you know this, but now there are lots of
players that thought going into the season like this is it,
this is my last year. I'm done. I'm There are
six year seniors, seventh year seniors, whatever, like hah, I'm done.
And then there was a ruling with a the quarterback
of Vanderbilt who went to junior college and I believe
(02:05):
one of the years in junior college they didn't have
a season because of COVID whatever. Anyway, he got an
extra year. So now there's a blanket ruling where if
you played junior college or any I A NAIA basketball,
you get an extra year. So there are lots of
guys who like thought they were that they were done.
They're like, hey, you know what, I might go do
(02:26):
this again, and they'll like Aaron Rodgers go and have
a visit, and uh, and maybe you know they won't
sign with Pittsburgh Steelers, but they'll sign with your team.
I bring it up because our next guest is the
head coach of the Drake Bulldogs. He won four national
championships at the Division two level, and I think in
(02:48):
the summer his one of his star shooters, Mitch Muscari,
was going into the private sector, like he was gonna
go work for a living. And well, let's just let
coach McCullum tell the story. Drake Bulldogs win the Missouri
Valley regular season, win their conference tournament championship. They're thirty
one and three. Then they take down Missouri yesterday. Now
(03:09):
they get ready to take on Texas Tech grit McCaslin,
who ironically told us just last hour they scrimmaged Drake
in the secret scrimmage earlier this year, and now they
play each other in the second round the NCAA tournament.
And coach McCullum joins us on Fox Sports Radio, Ben,
how are you.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I'm great? How about yourself, Doug, I'm.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Not a not as good as you, not with your team, Okay,
So help tell this story here, right, you get the
Drake job, and Mscari was already working or was gonna
go work.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
What happened, Yeah, he was gonna go work.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
You know. I got the Drake job, and.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I obviously had three coming with and I thought Mitch
was done and he had a really good financial job
in Chicago. He never ended up starting it though, but
he was going to start it, you know, within the
next couple of months of graduation from from Northwest Missouri
State and the last day he put his name in
the portal, and I think he just did it, you know,
(04:08):
just kind of making sure that, you know, if he
wanted to he could, he could play again. And I
was like, ohoner, what are you thinking? So I called him,
I'm like, well, do you want to play? He's like,
I don't know. I was just kind of thinking about it.
I said, well, if you want to do that, let's
just do it here. And he said okay, And so
he thought about it for a while and then eventually
(04:29):
just you know, decided, hey, this is this is something
that I want to do. It was a tough It
was a tough decision for him because I couldn't give
him a lot of advice because I knew I had
something to gain from it, and so you know, when
kids trust you with advice and you have something to
gain in the process, you know, you just can't really,
(04:51):
you know, say you should do this, but he should
do it, and obviously he ended up doing it, which
has been great.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
What's it like to take this group and many of
them you mentioned you had three now four coming with
from the Division two level. What's it like to go
through this where everybody falls back on the story, Hey,
their division two guys when you're take them down, go
back to the preseason, when you win in Charleston, you
beat k State, you beat Vandy, what what is what
(05:19):
is that like for you? When when you have a
group of guys that you've been with at the Division
two level to play so well at this.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Level, you know, it's been it's been a blast. You know.
I think.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
I think the thing for for me in particular, when
you take this job, it's it's it is a lonely
feeling when.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
You take over a job at this level and you
don't have.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
A lot of players, like it's very lonely. And when
you're able to take three or four of your guys,
four of your guys with you and show up day
one and at least you know you've got guys that
are you know, essential in your foxhole right in. Guys
they're going to fight for what the program means and
(06:06):
fight for your culture and fight for the effort and.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
That sort of thing. And so it was a big
deal to get them.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Obviously, it was a big deal to get everybody though,
and a lot of those guys came on just blind faith,
you know where It's like they didn't have to come
to Drake for an unproven at Division one, Division two guy,
and they did. And so obviously it became, you know,
everybody together, everybody connected, and it.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Was fun.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Starts, you know, we when we prepare for you guys
who were like, holy cal, this is the best guy
we've seen all year. And granted we're the Rizon League,
but we played Oaklham State, we played Ohio State, we
played Providence and he's a special player. When did you
first see Starts play in high school?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
When he was a junior.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
When he was a junior, he made the state championship,
I believe, and lost in the state title game, and
no one really was recruiting him at the Division one level,
and I didn't understand why. But so then we chose
to recruit him at the Division two level, and I
thought at that point, I'm like, this kid is no
(07:23):
brainer mid major. You know, we're going to steal another one.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Obviously now he's probably you know, fringe NBA, and I
think eventually.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
He's probably going to be an NBA player, you know,
when it's all.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Said and done.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He just had such a good demeanor.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
He's an elite passer, He's an unselfish person. He's an
unselfish player, you know, and he listens and wants to
be good.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
He just he just gets it.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
And so it certainly helps that he's on our team.
And and you know, it also helps that we coached
him for two years. You know, I coached him for
two seasons prior, and so that that really benefited us
as well.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
No, no, out, was there any special hitch in his
gidea up because it was Missouri?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
No, not not really, I think Kansas State. It wasn't.
It was just the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Was probably he was excited about because, you know, to
be quite honest, it's like, uh, you know, I had
another guard Trevor Hudgens for a while.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Well, you know, like and everybody's like, we why didn't
ky State offer? Why? Kid?
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Because he wasn't good enough for kse State right away? Right,
that's why they didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Right if you if you saw him when he was sixteen,
you would have said he's not not good enough. You know,
I had that.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, I don't. I don't, like, I don't know if
I can. I can't say. Obviously, guys names whatever. I
don't know inportal, not in portal. But yeah, we played
against a guy this year who lit us up at
the Division two level and they were, you know after
the game, like why didn't you offer him? Like I
wasn't here and when I got here, he wasn't in
the portals, Like, I don't know what you're like. We
do ask things of people, which are it which are unfair?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Do you?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Does I think everyone knows that if you can coach
at the Division two level, you can coach division one level.
Bruce Pearl's proved that. You've proved that others have as well.
Does this change in your mind the perception of recruiting
Division two players to transfer up to the Division one level.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
No, it probably does, but that's because people don't think
for themselves times, you know, I mean it's like, oh,
D two players are great, Let's everybody go get twenty
five D two players, because there's a recency biased already
to it, and so it's I don't know, like I
think too often, you know, in college coaching and even
(09:36):
hiring coaches and stuff like that, there becomes a biased
to you know, all of a sudden because a D
two guy has success, every D two guy can have success,
and that's just not that's just not the case. Or
you know, a few you know, on an AI guy
can be just good, a JUCO guy can be just
as good. And same concept for players, like just because
some Division two guys have success doesn't necessarily mean that
(09:57):
every D two guy is going to have success, but
it does mean that you can find good players anywhere,
and you just kind of have to trust your own
eye on some of those things.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
And in today's society, it's it's.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
A lot more difficult to trust your own eye, just
because social media and all those different things that are like,
you know, even when we took this job, and you know,
there's probably fifty to fifty split where you know, fifty
percent of fans would be like, and I can't wait
to watch these guys.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I think they'll be great.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
And then there's another fifty percent that was like, I
can't believe they're taking d two guys and they're going
to be awful.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And so you just can't listen to that noise. You
just got to trust yourself. And that's that's.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
What we did, and you know, we got a little
lucky to you know, where just those guys showed up
and competed and as the heck of a run and
still continues to be that.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Ben McCollum, head coach, Drake. The Bulldogs are thirty one
and three and they take on Texas Tech the Red Raiders,
who they faced in a sec scrimmage. How much can
you take from the secret scrimmage in getting ready for
a second NCAA tournament.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Game, Man, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I don't know, because they're I mean, they're just so
well coached, you know, I just think they're you know,
they've got obviously hired one of my others. Uh, he's
got he's got Grant, who's one of my close friends.
Who's got Linda, who I talk to about every day. Uh,
he's got Luke who actually played for me, Luke Barnwell,
the chokey more Kobe, Who's who's the ac who's So
(11:31):
it's like their whole staff is really close to me,
and so I'm not sure how much you can take
from that, you know, Uh, I don't think either of.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Us really totally prepared for.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It, if that makes sense, meaning you know those scrimmages,
it's better that I think a lot of people try
to win those scrimmages. Obviously you always want to win
everything you do, but more importantly you want to you
want to see what works, see what lineups work. And
so I'm not sure how much you can actually take
from that scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yes, I wish you would have told me that I
tried to win my scrimmage. And then I was like
at the end of us, like, why did I try
to win my scrimmage? Well, I was trying to show,
you know, a group of young guys, build them confidence
in what we were doing, and have one more point
than an opponent. But again, these are just learning lessons
as you only learned by but by doing. Ben McCullum
joining us, who is the Drake Drake head coach. Okay,
(12:23):
So you went from turning down lots of jobs that
didn't fit. Why did Drake fit?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
A couple of reasons.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
One, I really liked the athletic director, Brian Harden. I
thought he had a good vision for the program. Two,
it was you know, close to home probably you know,
a Midwest guy doesn't mean I, you know, would never
live in any other place in the country. But you know, initially,
just that first jump, I wanted to make sure that
it was also beneficial for my family to get closer
(12:58):
to family.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
And then you know, it was just the right time.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
You know, I started to notice that I started to
notice that I was I wasn't choosing to come back
to Northwest. I was choosing to not take jobs. And
I think when you start to trend that direction, I
think that probably gives you the indication that it's probably
time to come out of your comfort zone a little
(13:22):
bit and you know, just see what you could do.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
And and then.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
You know, they were super patient in the process.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Drake was. You know, I think that a lot of
these schools.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
When they hire, which I understand, you know, they they
offer you the job the next day, you got to
decide and it's not really the nature of me. And
so it's my greatest strength and greatest weakness is my patience.
But you know, sometimes it's just is what it is.
And this one just worked out perfect, and you know,
(13:54):
I got put in a good position and very thankful
for it.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Okay, So with that though, now comes autation. There's other
jobs available. How do you handle that?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Will Wade is like, Hey, I'm taking a state like
that's that's happening, and people are like, whoa wait, that's
that's weird. How are you handling the now speculation about
what could be next for you?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yeah, you know, the same way I've done it for years.
I really try not to. My personality doesn't allow me
to have a divided heart, if that makes sense, and
so I think some people can can multitask. And do
you know what Will Wade is take a job and
still focus on his team and still focus on everything
else associated with it. I'm just different in a personality.
(14:38):
It doesn't make me right, doesn't make him wrong. It's
just how I do things. And so my attention and
my kids know that my attention is on them and
making sure that you know, we're at our best and
that I fight for what they are and again, has
it hurt me in the past, It absolutely has, but
(15:01):
it's helped me.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Create a level of loyalty.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
With the people surrounding the program because it's like, I know,
I know where his heart is at, like I know
where it's at, you.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Know, regardless of you know, all these things.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
And speculation and stuff like that is you know, I'm
making sure that I fight for Drake and fight for
these kids and fight for these players. And you know
that's what I've done for seven eight years and approved
it and I'll continue to do it the same way.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
All right.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Most important question is when did you start the white
shirt solid tie?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Look A long time ago.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I probably, gosh, I bet twenty sixteen, probably somewhere in
that range, because I know I had at twenty seventeen
because that was our first national championship.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Probably twenty sixteen, maybe even earlier.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
You know, I used to wear just different color ties,
different colored shirts, you know, different everything. And then I
was like, man, I don't even want to make a
decision because we got to make ten thousand decisions in
the game.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
So I was just.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
You know, I was always that's fascinated by Billy Donovan
and and they just wore a white shirt.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So I just wore a white shirt.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And you don't, Okay, So so then the follow then
the follow up is is that the same blue tie
or there multiple blue ties that that that that look alike?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
It is the same blue tie, always the same blue tie. Yep,
it says the same whole year.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
How do you not get a spot? How do you
not get anything on it? I get coffee on it,
something else.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, it's it's it's used.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Now, it's it's man, that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
What do you see?
Speaker 5 (16:40):
This? A bunch of scrappers.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Now, that's what we do. So it's not.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
There's there's no there's no backup tie. There's there's no
backup tie.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
No no, heck, no no backup players either.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
No.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
We we just the ties is who we are as
a team.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Man.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
We're not perfect, and you know sometimes we're bruised and battered,
but we're always fighting. So that's pretty good. I just
made that up. So but no, it's the same time
all the time.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Well, listen, I appreciate that when I got we got
we had a check for my coaching clinic that I
was able to watch over on the other sideline. I
had no doubt what would happen yesterday. I'm really interested
in what happens tomorrow. We wish you the best of
luck and we'll talk to soon. Thanks so much for joining.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Us, Yes, thanks for having me on all right.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Appreciate its Ben Mccollumy's the head coach of the Drake Bulldogs.
He's won four national titles at the Division two level.
In his first year at Division one, they are thirty
one and three on the year. Coming up next in
the Herd, I'm Doug gotlibin for Colin. Guess who took
another shot at the Pittsburgh Steelers. You'll find out next in.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
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Speaker 3 (17:58):
Doug Gottliebin for Collins, I heard Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio
app two Steelers stories at the same time. Jerry Dulocke,
who covers the team, reports that Aaron Rodgers is visiting
the Steelers' training facility. As we told you yesterday, that
tracks in timing and location So Naji Harris is now
(18:22):
a former Steeler, right, Naji Hearris said this about the
Pittsburgh Steelers offense when he was a Steeler.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
It was just a team where you know, we lost Ben,
we lost a lot of old line. We just didn't
know anything on offense. Really, we didn't have identity. We
had a young guy come to that quarterback. You know,
I was young, the team was young, and I really
didn't have nobody to almost learn from the offensive side.
I think the the veteran guy on that team was
like a two to three year vet and asked me nothing,
(18:51):
you know what I mean, Like he still learned himself.
And I'm coming in and you know, I'm just trying
to look for people to to, you know, pick their
brain off of. And it was just defensive guys. So
I'll go to the defensive guys to talk to him.
But you know, it wouldn't be too much. They could
tell me about an offensive thing, you know what I mean.
So it was interesting years there. I'll just say that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I mean, so he they were too young and didn't
have an offensive culture. And look, if you're Aaron Rodgers,
like a that's actually has to I think make you
even more drawn to pittsforgh, Like, how could that be
be more drawn to Pittsburgh? Like what Aaron doesn't work
(19:31):
well with is somebody else's system and somebody else's kind
of rigidity. I don't think he will deal well with
rigid people. Does that mean that it's going to be
Aaron's way or the highway? No, again, this is just
a guess. But the difference between the Steelers and the
Jets and their approaches. The Jets made it clear and
(19:53):
made it public that if Aaron wanted to come back,
he would have to give up, you know, the mcaffee thing.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I don't know for a fact if Tomlin will make
him give up the McAfee thing, but my guess is
they will, but they'll never make it public, right, There'll
be some sort of like, hey, look, you can go
pop on here a couple times in the offseason if
you take the gig here, But like, what are we doing.
It's Tuesday, it's your day off, Like, get away from it,
(20:22):
get away from the media. Like if you want to
be here for a year, let's just try and go
with a foot bucket. Let's just try and go one
foot bucket and no one understands this more than me. Right,
I host the national radio show. I coach a college
basketball team, and we didn't play well in year one.
We weren't good enough in year one. Nobody cares about
(20:43):
injuries or having too many younger players or any of that,
or getting the job two months after the portal had opened, like, no,
nobody actually cares. So optics do. But in this particular case,
if it's one last year and you've done the two
years of macafee's show and football, and wouldn't it be interesting, right,
(21:06):
because didn't we have Cam Hayward and he said, do
you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler? Not have be
a Pittsburgh Steeler? That did happen, right, We did play that.
He said that on his own podcast. The point is,
he said on his own podcast. People only want to
pick out these things when something's not going well. When
it goes well, nobody says like, oh, hey, by the way,
he's got a podcast. Does does Cam Hayward have to
(21:32):
give up his podcast?
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Here's here's Cam Hayward two days ago.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
I ain't doing that or darkness darkness treat retreat. I
don't mean any of that crap, like, either you want
to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't. That's that's simple.
That's the pitch. If you want me to recruit, that's
the recruiting pitch. You know, Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want
to be part of it, so be it. If you don't, no,
no skirt on my back.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
But the point of it is now just like, hey,
you know what, are goot off the pot? That's part
of it. But it's also doesn't he have a don't
have a podcast of wasone? Doesn't he have a podcast zone?
I don't think that Najie Harris is saying anything that
most people didn't know they were a ruddless ship. You
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can't have that much youth, that much inexperience, even if
there are guys who athletically are past their prime. We
just talked to We just talked to Ben McCullum, who's
the head coach of Drake. What did he say about
the players that he has, Like, hey, I had to
have some guys. He's got older guys. Benjamin Starts, Ben Stirtz,
(22:43):
who's their best player. This is his third year playing
for his coach. So you don't have to.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Do.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
You have to go and teach everything, sure, but you
don't have to teach everything two or three or four times.
And you don't have to how people act and react
when adversity strikes, when lineups get screwed up, when whatever happens.
You know, so much of coaching is about teaching guys
(23:14):
to push through adversity, but specifically how you view them
pushing through adversity collectively. You can't do that when you
have all young guys and they've never experienced that before.
They can't draw on both positive and negative memories of
the past interesting days in Pittsburgh. And it'll be interesting
to see if Aaron Rodgers can write that ship and
give them an offensive identity. All right, let's get to
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some of the other news. Here's Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
All right, Doug, on that quick point there, quick point
here on that Aaron Rodgers news. So, as you pointed out,
Jerry du Lac, covering the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette,
initially put out the report about Rogers. He has followed
that up with a bit more information he has he
has posted on his Twitter or ex whatever you want
(24:12):
to call it. Sources have cautioned a commitment from Rogers
may not come today if at all. Just visiting with
coach Mike Tomlin and general manager Omar con.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Hey, I'm just hanging out, hey man. Other than I
was in Pittsburgh and.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
I happened to find myself in the neighborhood. Yeah, and
was just wondering what you guys were up to.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
What is it is pitt pitt University of Pittsburgh. Correct,
it's the Tower of Learning, the Tower of Learning or
Talent of not what is it? They have this big tower.
I think it's called the Tower of Learning. I don't know.
Somebody will somebody will hit us up on the grammar.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Cathedral of Learning. Oh sorry, no, that's.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I don't think it's a Cathedral of Learning.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
The University of Pittsburgh Cathedral of Learning. So it is
at a University of Pittsburgh website Cathedral of Learning, the
Cathedral of Learning. If this is what you're referring to, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It's a big, big building on campus. I was just
I love the you know, he's a big architecture.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I love the architecture Cathedral Learning, And I just happened
upon your practice building, and I just thought, hey, what if,
why not I'll just stop by.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Hey how about you? How about me? We just chat?
Speaker 4 (25:23):
All right?
Speaker 8 (25:24):
So that's the latest. Aaron Rodgers is in Pittsburgh. Aaron
Rodgers is meeting with people of the Pittsburgh Steelers organization.
No decision considered imminent, may not get a decision at all.
So the uh cloud of murky information surrounding Aaron Rodgers continues.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
All right.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
A quick update also as well. Let's talk some March madness.
Of course, we have halftime Baylor five point lead over
Mississippi State halftime, Robert Morris keeping it close with number
two seed Alabama for already to thirty six. Those two
games are in half, and we just tipped off fourteen
(26:04):
seed lipscumb taken on three seed Iowa States Bobby Moe.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
We lost to bib Mo twice. We're up seventeen. The
first time we played them down three starters and they
had a twenty eight nothing run. I was like, man,
what what just happened?
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:18):
That?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Uh, I mean, if you saw it'd be like, I
don't know, is.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
That a life comes at you quick kind of thing?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Or it did?
Speaker 8 (26:27):
It did Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I mean we missed I think seven shots at the
rim during that time and just snowballed on you, like,
what what are we doing here?
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Okay, well, you know, listen, no need, no need to
pick up scabs. Let's move on from it.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
We pick we scabs will continue to be picked.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Okay, listen, hey, you taking that upon yourself. I'm not
going to sit here and argue with you. All Right,
here we go. Let's head on some news items here.
NFL football, the consensus is cam Ward's going to be
the first quarterback taken in the upcoming NFL draft. A
lot of questions about where Shador Sanders will end up landing. Well,
what Sanders does know is that his pocket pass skill
(27:04):
set will set him up for success in the future.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
I mean it always worked in the league. Look at
the history of the league. Not everybody was, you know,
big time runners back then, back in the day. So
he got the greatest quarterback ever. Tim Brady ain't run
too much. So I feel like the best thing for
me is to play from the pocket, and that's what
I'm most comfortable. And now the difference is is I'm
able to adjust to my team, so if I need
to be if I need to, you know, take different
(27:30):
type of drops, if I need to be able to
get a little bit more active, then then I'm able
to do that and to judge my game.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
I mean, he brings up a great point. You know,
we love the big time, dynamic quarterbacks, but it sort
of feels like, I mean, Jalen Hurts is about the
only true dual threat quarterback that we've seen win a
Super Bowl in recent memory. Obviously, Cam Newton got close,
(27:59):
and you know, today's quarterback like a Patrick Mahomes, is
pocket passer who can run when the team necessitates. But
these dual threat quarterbacks that we become enamored with haven't
necessarily been the ones winning Lombardi Trophies.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Oh, I totally agree with that. He's absolutely right. What's
interesting about Shdor Sanders is if he wasn't Dion Sanders kid,
you wouldn't think he's a great athlete. And he's not
sure Yeah, yeah, he's He's kind of Ben Roethlisberger like
in that he he will he'll take a hit, he'll
hold the ball longer and you know, maybe a little
bit too long. And Ben was a was a big
(28:35):
old you know, mean Ben was a tight end up
until his senior year in high school. So Sor Sanders
is a really good athlete. He's just not an elite
level runner. It's just I think people think, well, he's
Dion's son, so he's got to be super fast, and
that's not actually the case. Like is he faster than
like you and me, Like, yeah, he's a great athletes
(28:57):
a quarterback, but is he a is see Lamar Jackson?
Is he no?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (29:04):
And I think ultimately that's sort of and you don't
have to be sure.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You don't have to be that's the knock on Labar, right,
And Lamar has improved from the pocket? Is he good
enough from the pocket to.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Win it off?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Right?
Speaker 8 (29:14):
And I think that's ultimately sort of why a lot
of the consensus is people are landing on cam Ward
right now. Is his raw skill set and athleticism has
a higher end than what we've seen from Shador. And
to what Shoudour was saying there in that interview on
the NFL network is he's like, Hey, I mean I
am athletic, but I just get it done from the pocket.
(29:35):
So certainly going to be interesting to see exactly where
Shador falls A lot of range between Hey, he could
be taken second to Oh no, he's in a free
fall down the draft board. We'll say. In the NFL, here, Doug,
the Eagles are keeping their all pro linebacker Zach Bond,
resigning the breakout star after their Super Bowl win. Well Bond,
after getting his new deal to stay in Philadelphia, he
(29:57):
thinks they're just getting started. Here's what he had to say.
I think about what we did in year one, with
so many new pieces, coaches and players included, I'm really
excited to build on what we did last year. You
see this Eagles team as a sort of a potential
back to back type of championship team.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I don't know that. You know they've lost a lot
of pieces.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Now.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Last time they lost pieces, but they also lost both coordinators.
That not the case this year. Well they did. They
lost an offensive coordinator right to the went to their
Land Saints. But it's I correct, so, but defensive coordinator
remains the same. The answer is no, only in that
(30:40):
if if we use history as our guide, sure of
course we as history as our guide. Do they did?
Speaker 8 (30:45):
They did?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
They draft for this and they have a lot of
young pieces. Yes, they still have Saquon Barkley absolutely. I'll
also point this out, Okay, the the argument against signing
a Saquon Barkley to a long term deal with the
Giants or any of these other running backs wasn't about
year one. It was about years two and especially year three,
that running backs are like pick your favorite foreign car,
(31:08):
are they always in the shop? And you know, Philadelphia
didn't have to, but they did double down on Saquon
Barkley because he performed at such a great level, which
I think will change the running back market towards the future.
But that still doesn't answer the question, can guys can
a running back like that stay healthy after having it
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essentially a two thousand yard season and then a Super
Bowl winning postseason. Sure?
Speaker 8 (31:35):
I mean, look, it's obviously well documented now what the
forty nine ers have been dealing with with Christian McCaffrey,
and you know, he's built a little different than Saquon. Saquon,
I guess you would say, is obviously a little bit
of a thicker running back, although they do have a
lot of some not a lot of the same skill set,
but some definite overlap. And you know, unfortunately for Christian,
(31:59):
the story of his career was early in Carolina, he
had those back to back seasons where he was just
an absolute workhorse and super productive, and then he was
injured for two seasons after that and then moved got
traded to forty nine. Ers has had two productive or
had like a half season of production in San Francisco
and then had that huge season where they went to
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the Super Bowl, and then he was hurt again this
entire year. So to your point, there is always going
to be concerns outside of like a Derrick Henry who
seemingly despite how many times you give him the rock,
he's just going to somehow get stronger, some type of
like aberration. But yeah, definitely some concerns that if you
give a guy that many touches year after year, at
some point you might expect that there could be some
(32:44):
injury regression coming. We'll wrap up with this Doug. Former
Panthers and Commander's head coach Ron Rivera has a new gig.
He is being named the general manager for Cal Football.
Welcome to college Sports in twenty twenty five. This also
comes on the heels of Stanford make an injured Luck
their GM of the football team, and Steph Curry taking
on a role with his alma mater at Davidson. So
(33:05):
I'm just kind of curious to run this by you,
as a current head coach in college athletics, what do
you make of these programs bringing in sort of general
managers and obviously sort of a top down structure resembling
that of the pro models we've seen.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Well, it's I think it's needed because it's a lot.
I mean, I'm I'm technically the general manager and head
coach program so between nil budgeting, you know, I actually
have to do it all. We just don't have the
resources for that. You don't need to pay Stephen Curry
(33:40):
for it. I think it's it's it's honestly fascinating. Now
Ajril Wargnowski actually does the work with Saint Bonaventry helps
them in recruiting, identifying players, and in raising you and
budgeting all that other stuff. I don't think STEP's a figurehead,
but I think he's a figurehead, meaning like in and
(34:01):
at time to be watching kids, right, he does. He's
got his own camp. Obviously he has the under Armour connection.
And you know, I'm not sure if they're paying him
or if he's donating or how it's all working. I
also just think it's a great reminder to people, like
what year did Steph Curry play at Davidson? W Take
(34:25):
guess what years? What year did he finished playing at Davidson.
Speaker 8 (34:29):
Fit wasn't it like twenty ten or something like that
or two thousand and nine?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
You know, I mean Tooey, do you know what what year?
Because remember the NCAA tournament year was his sophomore year.
His junior year, they made the NIT they didn't make it,
and then he left early for the NBA. And some
idiot went on ESPN and was like, yeah, I don't
(34:56):
know if he's ready at Oh that idiot was me. Anyway,
The point is that Steph Curry played at Davidson a
long time ago, right, A long time ago. You're talking
(35:17):
about a guy who is college status. Right, two thousand
and nine was the last year. This is twenty twenty five.
So as much as we all know he played Davidson,
I remember when they beat Georgetown the tournament. I remember
all that stuff. Current college kids not as much, and
(35:38):
so this I do think helps reinvigorate. I know a
couple I know a player who went into the transfer
portal yesterday I asked somebody about, Hey, what about this guy,
and they're like, yeah, Stephen Curry's already gonna he went
to Steph Curry's camps. He's all about Steph Curry's going
to days. So I think that's really a little bit
more what this particular.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
One is about.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Don't you feel old? That's right? Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Heard Line News.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
What were you doing in two thousand and nine?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Ryan?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Just make me feel really really old in two.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Thousand if you would like to know, that was my
senior year of high school.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
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Doug Gotliabit for Collins. I heard Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio app.
So last night the Lakers basically played their bench and uh,
you know, like almost like Quasichi League roster.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Again.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
What happens when you state that is instinctively people go, oh,
can I do that? God, you're a hater? Like, let's
not call him Doug a Doug, You're a hater. Okay,
let me let me read you their starting lineup, okay,
Gabe Vincent, Okay, it was technically their backup point guard.
(37:58):
I know he started the Miami Heat team that went
to the NBA Finals, but let's just be honest. Jordan Goodwin,
Hey Jackson, Hayes, Dalton Connect and Markkeith Morris. Up the
bench was Cam Reddish, Trey Jamison, Shake Milton, Alex Lynn,
(38:25):
and Bronnie James. That was the entirety of players. The
only Laker who dressed that did not play was Christian Coloco,
who of course has played at Arizona right the young
big guy. So it was or, you know, if you
want to do in Major League Baseball terms, a bullpen day,
it's bullpen day. So Brownie had seventeen points last night,
(38:46):
shot the bow well two or four from three, seven
to ten, from the line, seven to ten, from overall,
hit a free throw, ends up with seventeen to five three,
did have four assists. Was a minus thirty six, but hey,
Shake Milton, who's you know started for the Philadelphia seventy
six ers. He was a minus thirty seven, so he
(39:07):
wasn't the only one that was a big minus. They
got beat one eighteen to eighty nine, so kind of
like empty calories. Those are empty stats, but let's not
kid ourselves. Those are far and away his best stats
and his the most minutes that he's played in the NBA.
So he's trended upwards in the G League, and that's
his first trend upwards in the NBA. Here's his head
(39:28):
coach JJ Reddick after the game.
Speaker 11 (39:30):
You know, we've obviously monitored him in the G and
I feel like he's, you know, in those sort of
endgame situations when he's gotten a chance to play with us,
he's he's been really good. So not surprised by tonight.
And I think his confidence is growing because you mentioned
(39:53):
the word comfort. That's that's certainly there for him. And
I think the next step is is, you know, becoming
like like an elite conditioned athlete, because when he does
that with his physical tools and just his like burst
(40:17):
and his handle, and you know, we think he's going
to be an above average to really good NBA shooter.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, that that doesn't sound it. There's a bunch of
compliments there, but there was also something there that I
heard that didn't sound like a compliment. When he gets
into elite physical condition, that's a very very nice political
way of saying, hey, imagine if he was in shape. Now,
(40:48):
in fairness to Bronnie, played thirty minutes last night. I
mean he never played thirty minutes or come close in
the NBA. And when you played thirty minutes and you're
not used to playing that much, you're going to be guessed.
But when your coach says, hey, when you get into
elite physical condition, now the other part he's like, well,
he's been good for us. When when was that moment
(41:08):
in endgame when he's been good for you? You know,
he played sixteen minutes, fifteen minutes and twelve minutes. That's
the most he's played all year, and up until yesterday
he had the second lowest field goal percentage of anybody.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
In the NBA.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
It's an important distinction. It's like when people say, oh,
they said Jalen Hurts couldn't throw or Lamar Jackson couldn't throw,
Like nobody said they can't. It's not like they It's
not like Tim Tebow that used to throw ground balls
to people. It's non spirals. Was he trying to spike
(41:45):
that or was he trying to throw that one for
a first down? That's not what we're saying. Well, you're saying,
you're comparing. It's like Shador Sanderson, you're comparing. All right,
can you throw like Mahomes? Can you throw like Kirk Cousins?
Can you throw like Aaron Rodgers? Can you throw like
Josh Allen? Can you throw like you know? It's a
the The evawl is quite different. But when you say, hey,
(42:10):
he's got it when he gets once he gets into
elite physical condition, that means he's not he's not in
great shape. I would push back on JJ on whether
or not he can be an elite shooter when he's
never been a lead shooter at any level ever before.
So no, I'm not going to take back my evaw
But yes, it's pretty obvious that he's still has confidence
and he's improving. That's the half wayale meet chat. Can
(42:33):
older coaches still hang? Let's discuss next in the hurd
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