March 28, 2025 • 43 mins
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
What Up? Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you
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Speaker 4 (00:32):
I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I think I think the nineties for US. I do.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I do.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I think the nineties for US.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
And it's weird because when we're in the nineties, there's
a lot of us are like, weren't the eighties?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
But you know, and.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I'm watching last night as Alabama beats BYU, and I
do understand.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
By the way that.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Statistically, if you look, you could not you could find
very little fault with how BYU played. Right, If you're
just waking up or you're watching Major League Baseball, you
went to a baseball game last night, you didn't watch
the NCAA tournament. Let me tell you what BYU did. Okay,
So BYU h forty six percent from the field, eighty
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from eighty from the line, and they got the line
twenty times. They only turned it over eleven times. Now,
they were six of thirty from three point range, which
is twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's that's not good enough.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
They had thirteen offensive rebounds, which is outstanding. So they
actually took one less free throw, but six more shots,
six more shots. Alabama took sixty six shots, BYU took
seventy two. Alabama was thirty five of sixty six. That's
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a better percentage on fewer shots. They made thirty five
field goals. BYU made thirty three field goals. Bama was
eighteen of twenty one from the line. BYU is sixteen
of twenty from the line. So it just those as
raw stats, you would go, oh, okay, you made eighteen
free throws, that's two more points. You made thirty five
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field goals, that's four more points. It was a close game.
Alabama beat BYU one thirteen to eighty eight. Let me
rebeat they beat Alabama. Alabama BATBYU despite having more turnovers
and taking only one more free throw, making two more
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free throws, making two more field goals. They beat them
one thirteen to eighty eight, and it wasn't that close.
And obviously if you had like three point shots. I'm
natoates who you know a little more than a decade
ago as a high school coach at Romulus High School
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in Detroit, Michigan. Then went on to be an assistant
with Bobby Hurley at Buffalo after joining Danny Hurley at
Rhode Island, and then he took over at Buffalo. Now
he's at Alabama. And they went to the Final four
last year and they looked like a final fourteen. They
look like no one's beating them last night. And Mark
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Sears was a fifth year senior. Mark Sears who started
his careers from Alabama from Muscle Show. He went to
Ohio U his first two years. And again this is
why the mid majors don't feel like they compete, because
Mark Seers probably wasn't good enough to play to Alabama
early on, goes some plays and has it remains confident.
I that's a big thing. Right you go to the
right level, you can play right away. You re maintain
your confidence. He's ten of sixteen from three point range. Amazing, amazing,
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and they end up winning one thirteen eighty eight. But
I just I find it really interesting that even though
I love growing up in the nineties, like I do,
like I have nothing bad to say about my childhood,
but I can tell you that it's way more efficient
to have a cell phone or have a smartphone where
you don't have to have a computer or even those
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old Nokia phones, or remember when you had a payphone.
Like you want to talk about inefficient, we were. I
took my son last week after doing the Herd.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You guys know this.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I took my son to six Flags Matched Mountains is
his birthday. It's kind of our yearly tradition. And we're
getting ready to go on Stream. Stream, by the way,
underrated of the roller coasters. It's kind of right in
the front of the park. It's blue and red, and
it's not as highly touted as some others, but Stream
is an outstanding roller coaster. Outstanding anyway, we're in line
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and it says, you know that you have to place
your beepers and cell phones and jewelry into some little
box so that you don't lose it on Stream, And
my son turns to me and he says, what is
a beeper?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I was like, well, or maybe I said, Paiger, well,
what's a pager? I was like, what's a beeper? What's
a beeper?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And I was like, oh my god, you have no idea,
so what a beeper is? And there's lots of people
there now they're like.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
How do you not know it?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Beer like, well, he's sixteen years old, Like I understand
it blew off people's in the Middle East, because if
you know about that IDF story, he's really defense for story.
What they did with hesbe Llah a couple months ago,
it's pretty amazing. But then even then you had to
explain what a beeper was or a pager is, so
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in order for someone to get a hold of you.
And it started really with doctors, yes, and drug dealers.
If you watch the wire, you could page somebody and
then you would page them with a number to call
them back. Right then you'd have to go find a
payphone and either find coins for that payphone or call
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collect where they'd either have to say you have a
call from Doug Gottlieb or have a call from hey
seven one four seven six eight two oh two, oh,
call me back right at which time they would then
have to call it listen to pick it up, listen
and then call you back unless they got it on
their their answer machine. Now we just call you or
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in the most efficient way to get somebody to call
them back at the most appropriate time is you text
somebody call me when you have a chance.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
The point is that I love my childhood, but we've
become way more efficient with our time. Isn't that the
thing that that COVID showed us. Yes, people are going
back to work and it is important to have the
human interaction. But a lot of these jobs we can
do from home. And if you do it from home,
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are there some things that you like? Sure, but you
know what you don't have. You don't have traffic. You
just sit down at your desk and you open up
your laptop and you can still face to face. You
just press zoom, which we didn't even know existed before
COVID or whatever other you know, teams whatever are the device.
The point is that not all efficiency is perfect, and
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you do need some sort of kind of human warmth
and human touch and human interaction fact, no question, And
it's not an all or nothing thing. You don't just
shoot layups, free throws or threes, but mostly why because
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you're trying to be more efficient. You're trying to be
more efficient. In no world, in no other place are
we trying to become less efficient? Is there can anyone
think of a job like, hey, let's be less efficient. Then,
I mean, you're gonna go fly on a plane. What
do you do?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You have the app?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You know, you download the app, you type of thing,
you get a boarding pass. Otherwise you got to go
to check in, and then if you get your bag,
then you gotta go over to the bag drop thing.
Then they put the sticker on it, then they go
get the bag. Then you get the printed off ticket
and then you go through. Or you can just print
out your boarding pass. By the way, clear is awesome.
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I should get some nil for clear. Go through clear,
never check a bag, right to your app, right to
the plane, get on in, go.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I mean, look, I don't know if it's more or
less expensive to get you know, to use an app
based ride. But the only difference between it and a
taxi is you press the button. You don't have to
tell them the address, you don't have to tell anything.
You just walk, get in your car and go and
everyone I know time, don't you time it out? When
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I land at home, I want I got my Uber
waiting there, just like or just like I'm some big
baller with a car service. And then as I'm on
my way home, I usually use like a door dash
or Uber eats whatever, so I have food waiting for
me as soon as I get home. Why it's all
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about efficiency. I don't want to cook and clean. It's
not just the work. It's like it's such an inefficient thing.
Time is money. Let's save time. Let's use more time
to check in on people we care, or to sleep,
or to take care of yourself. I don't understand why
people fight the efficiency of sport, and I guess it's
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because we yearn for the older stuff it makes It
makes us our time feel more relevant. Even how you
buy records, there was a place called the Warehouse. Shout
out to the Warehouse on Chapman Avenue. Right, album would
come out and a lot of times you would go
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and get a single and then if you remember again,
this is child of the nineties, but I think it
started in the late eighties. Right, you had the high
speed dubbing, high speed dubbing, So you take a cassette
tape and then if you wanted to stop after each song,
you had to start and stop, or you just got
to record it, make your own mixtape. You fast forward
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until the spot, and then you'd high speed dub so
it would be faster. Why was it high speed dub
because it was more efficient. And then we went from
cassette tapes to CDs, right, And now that once we
got to the real reason that we had. You know
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that Apple music became so big is you didn't have
to buy a whole album. You didn't have to buy
a whole album, right, just download the song you want,
preview the other songs you don't like it, don't download it,
pay one fee. It's all inefficiency. And yet Alabama takes
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fifty threes.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Like, oh, this is just what basketball has become. And
do you mean more efficient? You mean smarter, not harder?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
You do know it's actually easier to rebound when you
have five guys outside the three point line, don't you.
That's what people don't really understand. If you post up,
it's a less efficient shot, right, And when you shoot
the ball in the post, if it's not a surefire layup.
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You're shooting the ball over an extended hand, and then
in order to get the rebound, you have to go
through that same guy's body. Whereas if you're spread outside
five guys outside three point line and the shot goes up,
you can b lining for the basket and get offensive rebounds,
because it's really hard when your man is in the
lane to box you out when you got a five
step running start. Apparently baseball, especially basketball, and football, are
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the only three things in life that people want to
be less efficient. No, no, no mid range shots. Where
are the post ups? Go back and watch those games.
The players were great and they played to a role
that was established. I have no doubt in my mind, okay,
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that Larry Bird would be right in any conver station
the greatest three point shooter of all time, just like
Steph Curry had it been encouraged back in the day.
How do I know that because when he had to,
when they had the three point shooting contest, he won
and it wasn't that hard. And he is a better
ten times the rebounder of Dirt Novitsky and ever bit
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the score inside of Nikola Jokic. He was amazing, But
that's not how the sport was played, but we found
ways to be to work smarter, not harder, in all
aspects of life. And yet people in basketball, people in baseball,
people in football want it done the old way.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
That's dumb. That's dumb.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
It's honestly not. Unlike I heard Bill Mars say this, right,
we want manufacturing jobs back in the United States.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Who's going to do that?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Right, Robots will do it, not human beings, because human
beings go to school now to be more efficient, to
develop apps, to develop things that are that are are
digitally based, work smarter, not harder. Yet for some reason,
we have this loving, enjoyable view of our childhood like
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it was better. Like do you know why we established
these rules in the NBA where you can't hand check
because it was awful to watch, it was terrible, But
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it's like we want to bite off our hand to
spie our face and tell people what's wrong. When last
night I can't think of one moment where I thought, Alabama, Hey,
why don't you guys stop shooting the reason start shoot
shooting mid rain shots? Doug Gottliebin for calling this is
the herd. Wait, do you hear what Mick Cronin said
yesterday in regards to recap it for you and react
to it next in the Hurd.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
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Speaker 4 (15:03):
Doug Gottlieb been for Collins The Herd Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app. I was listening to Colin yesterday. We had
it on the office and he had mc cronin on,
and obviously Mick who has been incredibly successful.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You go.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
From Murray State, and you know then as he's kind
of climbed in his career to Cincinnati. I covered his
teams in Cincinnati in the NCAA Tournament, now to UCLA.
I thought this was interesting that he said he was
talking about the NCAA Tournament and Cinderella's. This was mccronan
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on it. Oh, I'm sorry, this this is cronin on
Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
What if Cooper Flag could play three years at college
and he was coming into the NBA, then then people
would be saying, as this guy, Larry Bird, you know
how good you have to be? Like like, look, none
of those guys were ready. I mean, whomen Yama wasn't
ready to make a team. No you can't go make
a team win when you're eighteen, nineteen years old.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
You just can't do it.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Can't get into the hotel bar.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Give him a hon some college games, then let him
go to the NBA. But those days, you know, then
it's Magic Johnson, it's you know, it's Larry Bird, it's whatever.
I mean, he's that good guys.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, no, he's he's incredible. I think in some ways
NIL has saved college basketball. And in some ways the
people say it's the transfer portal. It's not the transfer portal. Okay,
that's it's a very easy one. And again maybe I'm
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maybe I'm one of those guys that's like correcting you
and it doesn't need to be corrected. The transfer portal
is nothing more than you put yourself in the old
school days. You just have to go in to see
your coach. You could do it by going to seeing compliance,
but you're supposed to go to see your coach, say hey, coach,
I want to transfer. The coach had to release you
if you didn't want to be if they didn't want
to release you, which is weird because you don't want
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to be there, But if they didn't release you, Whi's
very very rare. You could still ask compliance or athletic
director appeal to the NCAA, but usually go in you
asked to be released, and you can sign anywhere anywhere
except for in conference. That used to be the rule.
And if you're in conference, you had to sit two years,
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whereas if you sat out of conference, you had to
sit a year. The only exceptions to that were if
you graduated on if you graduated and you still had
eligibility and the school you went to didn't have a
certain major, you could find that major elsewhere. In other words,
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grad students got to transfer. And I actually have no
problem with that rule. If you've been somewhere for long
enough to get a college degree, like that's the whole
point of this thing, and you want to go to
grad school, fine, you should be.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Able to leave.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
But what's hurt College sports is not the transfer port.
So it's that you don't have to sit out a year.
The free and clear, I can go different school, different year.
Whatever what holds me back from transferring? And let me
destroy a little bit of a narrative that is such
a false narrative. Since j Billis has pretty much ruined
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college sports, with his ideas of paying athletes no repercussions
for transfers. Let's also tell you that he's he's ruined
a narrative and made it something that is absolutely positively
it's he's done what social media does to so many problems.
And I actually like and respect Jay, but he's been
on this, he's been on this trail, marching down this
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trail for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And congrats, Jay, you've done it. Hey.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I don't think it was with the intent of making
Duke into a superpower, but that's what's ended up happening.
This is ended up happening. And if his thing is, hey,
you know what I've done is I've created all this
wealth for players. Yeah, but the reality is most of
these guys, even there's I don't know how many, maybe
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seventy five to no probably more, probably three hundred high
earners six well into six figure earners in college basketball,
but some reason they've gotten these agents are getting twenty percent,
and it's created an artificial market where when they get
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done with college.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Then what.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
If you get done with college and you've played five
years and your last couple of years you make a
whole bunch of money and then you try and go
and play overseas where they don't really value young players
and you have to earn it. You're going to go
from say you made five hundred thousand dollars and then
you go and play Pro B in Italy or you
go and play second division in Spain. You might back
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one hundred grand. You go from playing college basketball and
making five hundred thousand dollars and now is sudden like, hey,
your first job is a true professional You'll make a
buck twenty five, which is a damn good job, especially
maybe a two in Italy, and your salary can go up.
You just like, why would I make less money? Because
that's how real world works. But but one of the
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narratives is college coaches are constantly leaving. They're in the
transfer port the transfer portal four coaches never never never closes, right, Okay, cool?
In the acc in the accay of Florida State's coach retired,
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nc Stage coach was fired, Miami's coach retired. Right, none
of those coaches left their current job. That I'm just
I just want to make sure here I got it
right with. Yeah, nobody left their current job. Okay, So
that's one of the five biggest conferences in the Big twelve.
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In the Big Twelve, none of those coaches. Utah, they
fired their coach before the season was over. A West
Virginia's coach did leave and went to Indiana, a job
that was opened because the Indiana head coach was retiring.
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So I've just gone through two conferences, and basically, and again,
the Big Twelve, it was Big twelve was sixteen teams
something like that.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
If there are four.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Major conferences or five major conferences, you're talking about five
or so of the of the coaches moving places from
one to another during an offseason. And most times, most times,
most times it's because somebody was fired. And most times
it's like Richard Patino who joined US earlier.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
He was in Mexico for four years.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Entire college basketball rosters are wiped out. In my League's
got named Andy Toole, and he's a friend of mine. Okay,
they finished with the third worst record in the league
two years ago. Last year they built up and they
won the Horizon League and they won the Horizon League tournament.
And his top four players have already gotten to the portal. Congratulations,
I'm building up a juggernaut. They're all gone. Now you
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gotta go do it again. It's such a bull crap
narrative that coaches just leave. By the way, when a
coach leaves, there's a buyout the seat I occupy. The
reason it became open late in the middle of May,
when the portal had been open for two months and
had already been purged, was because Sundance Wicks is from
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Wyoming and Jeff Linder, who was gonna be under pressure
and probably his last year, he's gone, and he's an
amazing offensive coach at Texas Tech, part of that team
that just won last night, and my school, even though
he's like, well, heck, he was only there for a
year and they're all better.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
No, they're not.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
It was a seven hundred thousand dollars buyout. Help balance
our books. If you want to start having seven hundred
thousand dollars buyouts for coaches for players, by all means
you can move. Schools at our level would be more
than happy to have huge buyouts.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Why not you want to move?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Should be a buyout, By the way, that's what happens
in the real world. Okay, If Greg Twoey is our
esteam producer, Greg, you know this you've been in the
radio business. If I've left places, if you leave, you
have a non compete. Sure, right, when I left one
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place and went to another, I had a non compete
when I when I left, that was my first one.
I left ESPN to go to CBS Sports Radio, I
went non compete. And when I left CBS to come
to Fox, CBS because I left was still some.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Time left on my contract.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Fox wanted me to come in and and do things
during the NCAA term or do Collins showed like now
during the nca term, which I've done every year since,
and CBS is like, no, no, you can leave.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
We're not gonna stop you. We're not gonna force you.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
By the way, media contracts, I don't know how many
people would know this. Media contracts totally one side. Any
place I've left, if they if they wanted to, they
don't execute it. But if they wanted to, they can
match any contract offer and you're still under contract with them,
and they could execute a non compete for a year
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or two years. You physically can't work anywhere else. Now
they have to pay you at the rate commensurate with
whatever you're offered. Otherwise it's it's you can't make them
into employees. There's so many reasons why. The biggest reason,
the most obvious reason that nobody talks about is college
sports operates in under a tax free umbrella, and it
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saves hundreds of thousands of dollars at our level and
millions upon millions of dollars Otherwise, the second they become employees,
every benefit they get, every benefit is taxed. In addition
to the fact that now all of a sudden they
become state employees, and there's all these different processes in
terms of being being an employee. When the idea is like, hey,
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let's how about we get kids a chance to get
a great education, to play sports, and yeah, get a
little bit of money in their pocket, why not. Nobody's
ever been against that. What they've been against is what's
happening now where school after school, year after year, new whole,
new team.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Does it look bad when and when a coach goes
from Drake to West Virginia for a year and he
goes to Indiana. Sure, but I think there was a
two point six million dollar buyout for West Virginia which
will pay for their new head coach for this year.
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That's what contracts have. They have buyouts in addition to
which it happens a handful of times, whereas you're talking
about a thousand already and likely to be two or
three thousand kids in the transfer portal. And there's other
parts to it which aren't great. And look, there's success stories.
The year before I got here, all Horizon League player
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gets big money.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Last year kid named Noah Reynolds.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
To go to TCU, and good for him, My best player,
Anthony Roy, if he doesn't choose to go to the
NBA Draft because of it because he was injured and
he played eleven games after leading the country and scoring,
he'll make a crazy money. Else, that's great, that's awesome.
Those things you should have. But just all the movement
to movement, it's not the transfer portal. It's a transfer
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rule that you don't have to sit out of here.
So then when you have your fifth and sixth and
seventh school, how are we ever going to have an
alumni game?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Ever? Again? What will you ever? Who will you ever
call on when you need a job for your basketball family? Ever?
What connection do you have with the university. Let's get
to Greg Twey with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
No, no, no, this is the herd line news. All right, Dougar.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
So last time, we finally got our first OT game
in the tournament, with Texas dech rallying past Arkansas. Sweet
sixteen continues tonight, Ole Miss Michigan State kick us off
in the South, Kentucky Tennessee in the Midwest, followed by
the night cap Michigan first number one seed Auburn in
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the South as well, and then uh Purdue in Houston.
Are we feeling more chalk tonight? Are feeling a little
chalky still?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Uh? Of these games? I mean, I've told you I've
mostly mostly been chalk. I was.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I was all chalk last night and I was three
and one, not because I cared about the blind.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yet, I do think Tennessee beats Kentucky. I think Purdue
beats Uh. I do think Houston beats Purdue.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Okay, Auburn.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Michigan is big and strong, but I don't love their
guard play per se, and I think Aubura on some
level will speed them up. The only one that I
kind of like is I kind of like old Miss
interesting Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Chris Beard.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Huh yeah, you're a big Chris Beard.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Fan.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I am a Chris Biger. He's a friend and I
think he's an incredible coach. I also I love their
point guard. He he goes to He went to Shampadula,
went to Edmund Edmund North. Shampadula is a stud. He
was at Virginia Tech. And he's so good man. And like, look,
if you're gonna be white kid with the head band, you.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Better with the tournament.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And he's an absolute hooper in the tournament. He's played
two tournament games and been very good, very good in.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Both of them.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
I want to see Rick Barnes get back to the
final four. Biggest thing, biggest knock on him has always
been he can't win these big games in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Well can't score, they can't score. And this interesting interesting against.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
UH, It'll be interesting against Katucky. Now when he has
gotten to the final four, he has made deep runs. Generally,
it's when he has DJ Augustine TJ Ford. TJ Ford
took him to a final four. It's when he has
quality point guard play, quality point guard play, and Szekaia
Ziegler is a quality point guard.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So wouldn' stunt me definitely.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Have the Dodgers officially become the new evil empire in baseball. Obviously,
everybody's been mad at the Dodgers for the last couple
of years. How they put their team together, that's no surprise.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Every who's everybody.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Well, I think it's more of like a I think
it's I think it's a media thing. I think it's
a fan opposing fan thing, you know. I think they
just feel like they're taking they're taking all the cake
for themselves. But this week Dodgers CEO stand cast until
Bob Knight and go At USA today said, we keep
hearing people calls the evil empire. If we win the
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next five years in a row, go ahead, you can
call us that, but we're a long way for us
to be called evil, let alone an empire. We're proud
of what we accomplished, but there's still a lot left
to accomplish. So call us evil, calls the favorite, But
we're good for our fans that love us, and we're
good for the fans that hate us. My thing is,
I mean, are the Dodgers really villains because they have
so all their stars are re likable Otani Freddie Freeman,
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who keeps bad.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I think I think their ability to. I think their
ability to h uh move show Heyotani's money to be deferred.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Just being smarter than everybody else?
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Does that make you evil if you're smarter though, Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I mean, they have a lot of money, They spend
a lot of money. I think it's good for the sport.
You want to have somebody to now do I think
it makes it super competitive? No, but if you want
to be more now. They do have the tax system,
you know, so it's like anything else. They found loopholes
and they're willing to pay whatever there is in tax.
So for that part that that everybody's pockets get filled
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when the Dodgers sing it.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
I agree, I agree, And I just think I think
this whole like Dodgers versus the field thing, I think
it's a great storyline to fall throughout the year. And
let's be honest, if they don't win the World Series
this year, how are we gonna look at them like
it was a massive failure.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Like their season was a player.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
If they don't win the World Series, I think that's
how we all look at it.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, I mean, I think
I think it'll be looked that way. I don't think
that's the case. You know, again, we don't know. It's
like a lot like bad holiday. When you joined us,
He's like, well are they gonna stay healthy? You know
what what happened? And it's baseball. Things go bump to night.
But yeah, I mean they're the definitely the odds on favorite.
They won it last year. But remember they had to
they had to have an incredible last two games against
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the Padres where it looked like they were dead rights
against Padres. Right, So baseball is is quirky enough to
where you know there's a lot greater chance than somebody
else went with than they.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's the news.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
All right.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
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It's the Herd, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app I. We'll
talk a little bit about tonight's games NCAA Tournament. In
a second, is it Friday. It's the end of the show.
I got something saying for you. I think you're gonna
like it. It is not everything is better than it
used to be, more efficient, maybe not not better.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
It's what brings us too. Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
It's almost the end of the show. But that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind it the
very last segment. It's time for best for Last.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Okay, last night, the Chicago Bulls had an amazing comeback.
Right with twelve seconds go there down five points to
hit a three where Lebron stunningly leaves his man open
the corner. Then he takes the inbounced pass and almost
like Isaiah Thomas against the Celtics, when dj S.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Tells the ball, he bets the bird right.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
But the Lakers did get the ball back and Austin
Reeves does get a layup in what should have won
the game for them.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But then this happened for the Bulls.
Speaker 9 (35:28):
Here's leaves leaves straight. There's a lot of timeouts. Two
seconds on Danny for the leaves.
Speaker 10 (35:42):
I have, I am possible, Oh, Stacy King uh is
the is the color analyst of the call, which brings
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us to our best for last.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh sorry, already had the best for last. My bad. Okay,
So here's what I thought.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Okay, that line, the Elizabeth I'm coming for you that
comes from Sanford and Son, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Elizabeth I'm coming to join you, honey? Right?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
And every time something crazy would happen on Sanford and Son,
that's what red that was Red Fox is like go
to line And maybe this is what's missing most from
TV shows again, way more efficient now if we want
to watch it, watch a show, you know, anything from
you know Landman to yeah, I mean you you picked,
(36:47):
you picked the show, right, you picked the show succession.
You can binge watch them, right, you can binge watch them.
You can watch them whenever you want. You can download
it on your iPad, you can watch it on your heck,
you can watch it in your car, doesn't even matter.
But we we don't have is these go to lines
right like you remember, oh what was that different strokes?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Right?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
What you're talking about willis or you had uh JJ
from Good Times.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
When JJ Yeah, that was his line, dy no mind
that a light? Do you remember when yeah, with friends
not but friends cheers when Norm would walk in, I
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mean toy that and right, this is like our childhood,
this is what this is, and everyone would everyone would
have a line that was like their go to line
that they would that they would always have. You had.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
My dad was a big Archie Bunker fan, right, all
in the family and he's to call his son in
law that's actually Rob Ryner meathead all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yep, two, you have.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Any any what was your favorite show or your family
show that the line that that the one actor would
always happen.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Well, my wife's a big Seinfeld fan. So the Kramer
entrance on Seinfeld was a.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Sure sure, which actually felt like sort of a wink
wink nod nod right too. I think the most famous
like one line of one word was Alfred Fonzarelli the Fawns,
when he would say A A A A A Ryan.
(38:38):
Are you gonna sit there and tell us how bad
seventies and eighties sitcom television was and how how corny
all this stuff was.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
No, I actually liked All the Family, Uh was actually
pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Oh my god, hysterical, hysterical, so good, right, Sanford and
his Son was an all time or two I mean,
really good show. But Stacy Stacey King who Oklahoma first
round pick of the Bulls, part of that Bulls first
championship team with Michael Jordan, Like that's a quality pull.
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It's a dated reference, don't get me wrong. Like Towie,
did you know that reference?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
When you told me this morning, I did not. I
did not hear. I did not get it. Put tun
two together?
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Ryan, did you know it?
Speaker 8 (39:23):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I did.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Yeah, And I would say that's about that. That's about
the ratio, right, if you're like forty or over or
somewhere on that forty year over, I would say it's
probably in the twenty five percent.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Get that reference.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
If you're under forty, very a very very small percentage.
Even though that show is still probably on on TV
Land or Nick at Knight or whatever, like that's just
that's a I mean even even references for you mentioned Cheers,
I mean, that's that was That was like my family's show.
(40:01):
You know, you'd have Cosby Show and then a Different
World and then you would have Cheers. That was Thursday
night TV. That was so good was first was wasn't it?
Cosby Show? Then Family Ties?
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Then Cheers? Was Family Ties? Different night?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I don't remember, but I do remember that most of
the comedic actors, you know that whoever the jokesture was
in whatever would it would always have one kind of
go to line. And when I heard Stacy King break
that thing out. But are we done with the Lebron
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and steven A thing?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Like? Has it ended yet?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Because steven A was like, what was it seventeen minutes
uninterrupted on first take yesterday? Have we moved on yet?
I just I understand that in terms of replies, right,
Lebron won. I don't understand what the what his reasoning
was because I felt like he appeared very small despite
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his immense amount of success, Like he doesn't need to engage.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
I mean, I think I think stephen A did that
so Lebron would respond to him again, he wants this
thing to keep going.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yeah, except for what Lebron got up and confronted him
during an NBA game, you know, during an NBA game,
Like this is crazy, I just you know, and his
his thing is, well he made it personal. Well it's
impossible not to make it personal. One, it's about your
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son that people don't think should have been drafted where
he's drafted, and the idea he had him out there,
you know, first game of the year, throwing him in
the game just for a pr thing and you know,
full disclosure, you know he had He has had one
good shooting game in the NBA, and he had a
great game statistically. I didn't watch the game statistically in
the G League his last time out. He's clearly improving
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and getting better. But I don't think anything steven A
said was below board or was personal. Again if as
Lebron said, hey, I'm okay with talking basketball, talking whenever.
So I just don't know why it matters to him.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Well, like you said when you were I think it
was a couple weeks ago when you were filling in
you said once he went pro, basically, the gloves are off.
He's fair game for anybody to.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Even when you say the gloves are off, it's not
like like nobody's beating like I'm not on social media.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
I'm not beating up on him.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Yeah no, no, no, just like, look, dude, he barely played
last year. He should have played and had his confidence
now he's getting his confidence. The other part too, it
is I think he had thirty nine in the G League.
What's crazy about that is like, he never had thirty
in a high school game. Ever, at thirty nine in
a high school game, I don't think you ever had
thirty in an AAU game once.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
He was in high school. And the point is, you're like,
why does that matter? Scoring is not everything?
Speaker 4 (43:03):
I agree, and it's one of the reasons that I
always thought that if he ever got a shot, he
would have a shot, because his only chance to really
making the NBA is is a role player. But an
NBA player generally, unless you're a super late bloomer and
you grow late whatever. Usually there's a couple of games
in high school where you're like, that's what NBA, especially
for McDonald's American, Like, that's what it looks like and
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that wasn't him. And that's fair critique. But I guess
because about his son, I get it. I get a
son who plays. Nobody likes it feels personal, but it
should be a fair game.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
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I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I think I think the nineties for US. I do.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I do.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I think the nineties for US.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
And it's weird because when we're in the nineties, there's
a lot of us are like, weren't the eighties?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
But you know, and.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I'm watching last night as Alabama beats BYU, and I
do understand.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
By the way that.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Statistically, if you look, you could not you could find
very little fault with how BYU played. Right, If you're
just waking up or you're watching Major League Baseball, you
went to a baseball game last night, you didn't watch
the NCAA tournament. Let me tell you what BYU did. Okay,
So BYU h forty six percent from the field, eighty
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from eighty from the line, and they got the line
twenty times. They only turned it over eleven times. Now,
they were six of thirty from three point range, which
is twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's that's not good enough.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
They had thirteen offensive rebounds, which is outstanding. So they
actually took one less free throw, but six more shots,
six more shots. Alabama took sixty six shots, BYU took
seventy two. Alabama was thirty five of sixty six. That's
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a better percentage on fewer shots. They made thirty five
field goals. BYU made thirty three field goals. Bama was
eighteen of twenty one from the line. BYU is sixteen
of twenty from the line. So it just those as
raw stats, you would go, oh, okay, you made eighteen
free throws, that's two more points. You made thirty five
(02:46):
field goals, that's four more points. It was a close game.
Alabama beat BYU one thirteen to eighty eight. Let me
rebeat they beat Alabama. Alabama BATBYU despite having more turnovers
and taking only one more free throw, making two more
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free throws, making two more field goals. They beat them
one thirteen to eighty eight, and it wasn't that close.
And obviously if you had like three point shots. I'm
natoates who you know a little more than a decade
ago as a high school coach at Romulus High School
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in Detroit, Michigan. Then went on to be an assistant
with Bobby Hurley at Buffalo after joining Danny Hurley at
Rhode Island, and then he took over at Buffalo. Now
he's at Alabama. And they went to the Final four
last year and they looked like a final fourteen. They
look like no one's beating them last night. And Mark
(03:55):
Sears was a fifth year senior. Mark Sears who started
his careers from Alabama from Muscle Show. He went to
Ohio U his first two years. And again this is
why the mid majors don't feel like they compete, because
Mark Seers probably wasn't good enough to play to Alabama
early on, goes some plays and has it remains confident.
I that's a big thing. Right you go to the
right level, you can play right away. You re maintain
your confidence. He's ten of sixteen from three point range. Amazing, amazing,
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and they end up winning one thirteen eighty eight. But
I just I find it really interesting that even though
I love growing up in the nineties, like I do,
like I have nothing bad to say about my childhood,
but I can tell you that it's way more efficient
to have a cell phone or have a smartphone where
you don't have to have a computer or even those
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old Nokia phones, or remember when you had a payphone.
Like you want to talk about inefficient, we were. I
took my son last week after doing the Herd.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You guys know this.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I took my son to six Flags Matched Mountains is
his birthday. It's kind of our yearly tradition. And we're
getting ready to go on Stream. Stream, by the way,
underrated of the roller coasters. It's kind of right in
the front of the park. It's blue and red, and
it's not as highly touted as some others, but Stream
is an outstanding roller coaster. Outstanding anyway, we're in line
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and it says, you know that you have to place
your beepers and cell phones and jewelry into some little
box so that you don't lose it on Stream, And
my son turns to me and he says, what is
a beeper?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I was like, well, or maybe I said, Paiger, well,
what's a pager? I was like, what's a beeper? What's
a beeper?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And I was like, oh my god, you have no idea,
so what a beeper is? And there's lots of people
there now they're like.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
How do you not know it?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Beer like, well, he's sixteen years old, Like I understand
it blew off people's in the Middle East, because if
you know about that IDF story, he's really defense for story.
What they did with hesbe Llah a couple months ago,
it's pretty amazing. But then even then you had to
explain what a beeper was or a pager is, so
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in order for someone to get a hold of you.
And it started really with doctors, yes, and drug dealers.
If you watch the wire, you could page somebody and
then you would page them with a number to call
them back. Right then you'd have to go find a
payphone and either find coins for that payphone or call
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collect where they'd either have to say you have a
call from Doug Gottlieb or have a call from hey
seven one four seven six eight two oh two, oh,
call me back right at which time they would then
have to call it listen to pick it up, listen
and then call you back unless they got it on
their their answer machine. Now we just call you or
(06:54):
in the most efficient way to get somebody to call
them back at the most appropriate time is you text
somebody call me when you have a chance.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
The point is that I love my childhood, but we've
become way more efficient with our time. Isn't that the
thing that that COVID showed us. Yes, people are going
back to work and it is important to have the
human interaction. But a lot of these jobs we can
do from home. And if you do it from home,
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are there some things that you like? Sure, but you
know what you don't have. You don't have traffic. You
just sit down at your desk and you open up
your laptop and you can still face to face. You
just press zoom, which we didn't even know existed before
COVID or whatever other you know, teams whatever are the device.
The point is that not all efficiency is perfect, and
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you do need some sort of kind of human warmth
and human touch and human interaction fact, no question, And
it's not an all or nothing thing. You don't just
shoot layups, free throws or threes, but mostly why because
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you're trying to be more efficient. You're trying to be
more efficient. In no world, in no other place are
we trying to become less efficient? Is there can anyone
think of a job like, hey, let's be less efficient. Then,
I mean, you're gonna go fly on a plane. What
do you do?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You have the app?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You know, you download the app, you type of thing,
you get a boarding pass. Otherwise you got to go
to check in, and then if you get your bag,
then you gotta go over to the bag drop thing.
Then they put the sticker on it, then they go
get the bag. Then you get the printed off ticket
and then you go through. Or you can just print
out your boarding pass. By the way, clear is awesome.
(08:52):
I should get some nil for clear. Go through clear,
never check a bag, right to your app, right to
the plane, get on in, go.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I mean, look, I don't know if it's more or
less expensive to get you know, to use an app
based ride. But the only difference between it and a
taxi is you press the button. You don't have to
tell them the address, you don't have to tell anything.
You just walk, get in your car and go and
everyone I know time, don't you time it out? When
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I land at home, I want I got my Uber
waiting there, just like or just like I'm some big
baller with a car service. And then as I'm on
my way home, I usually use like a door dash
or Uber eats whatever, so I have food waiting for
me as soon as I get home. Why it's all
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about efficiency. I don't want to cook and clean. It's
not just the work. It's like it's such an inefficient thing.
Time is money. Let's save time. Let's use more time
to check in on people we care, or to sleep,
or to take care of yourself. I don't understand why
people fight the efficiency of sport, and I guess it's
(10:10):
because we yearn for the older stuff it makes It
makes us our time feel more relevant. Even how you
buy records, there was a place called the Warehouse. Shout
out to the Warehouse on Chapman Avenue. Right, album would
come out and a lot of times you would go
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and get a single and then if you remember again,
this is child of the nineties, but I think it
started in the late eighties. Right, you had the high
speed dubbing, high speed dubbing, So you take a cassette
tape and then if you wanted to stop after each song,
you had to start and stop, or you just got
to record it, make your own mixtape. You fast forward
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until the spot, and then you'd high speed dub so
it would be faster. Why was it high speed dub
because it was more efficient. And then we went from
cassette tapes to CDs, right, And now that once we
got to the real reason that we had. You know
(11:13):
that Apple music became so big is you didn't have
to buy a whole album. You didn't have to buy
a whole album, right, just download the song you want,
preview the other songs you don't like it, don't download it,
pay one fee. It's all inefficiency. And yet Alabama takes
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fifty threes.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Like, oh, this is just what basketball has become. And
do you mean more efficient? You mean smarter, not harder?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
You do know it's actually easier to rebound when you
have five guys outside the three point line, don't you.
That's what people don't really understand. If you post up,
it's a less efficient shot, right, And when you shoot
the ball in the post, if it's not a surefire layup.
(12:08):
You're shooting the ball over an extended hand, and then
in order to get the rebound, you have to go
through that same guy's body. Whereas if you're spread outside
five guys outside three point line and the shot goes up,
you can b lining for the basket and get offensive rebounds,
because it's really hard when your man is in the
lane to box you out when you got a five
step running start. Apparently baseball, especially basketball, and football, are
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the only three things in life that people want to
be less efficient. No, no, no mid range shots. Where
are the post ups? Go back and watch those games.
The players were great and they played to a role
that was established. I have no doubt in my mind, okay,
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that Larry Bird would be right in any conver station
the greatest three point shooter of all time, just like
Steph Curry had it been encouraged back in the day.
How do I know that because when he had to,
when they had the three point shooting contest, he won
and it wasn't that hard. And he is a better
ten times the rebounder of Dirt Novitsky and ever bit
(13:18):
the score inside of Nikola Jokic. He was amazing, But
that's not how the sport was played, but we found
ways to be to work smarter, not harder, in all
aspects of life. And yet people in basketball, people in baseball,
people in football want it done the old way.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
That's dumb. That's dumb.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
It's honestly not. Unlike I heard Bill Mars say this, right,
we want manufacturing jobs back in the United States.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Who's going to do that?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Right, Robots will do it, not human beings, because human
beings go to school now to be more efficient, to
develop apps, to develop things that are that are are
digitally based, work smarter, not harder. Yet for some reason,
we have this loving, enjoyable view of our childhood like
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it was better. Like do you know why we established
these rules in the NBA where you can't hand check
because it was awful to watch, it was terrible, But
(14:37):
it's like we want to bite off our hand to
spie our face and tell people what's wrong. When last
night I can't think of one moment where I thought, Alabama, Hey,
why don't you guys stop shooting the reason start shoot
shooting mid rain shots? Doug Gottliebin for calling this is
the herd. Wait, do you hear what Mick Cronin said
yesterday in regards to recap it for you and react
to it next in the Hurd.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
at noon Eastern not a Empacific.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Doug Gottlieb been for Collins The Herd Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app. I was listening to Colin yesterday. We had
it on the office and he had mc cronin on,
and obviously Mick who has been incredibly successful.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You go.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
From Murray State, and you know then as he's kind
of climbed in his career to Cincinnati. I covered his
teams in Cincinnati in the NCAA Tournament, now to UCLA.
I thought this was interesting that he said he was
talking about the NCAA Tournament and Cinderella's. This was mccronan
(15:43):
on it. Oh, I'm sorry, this this is cronin on
Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
What if Cooper Flag could play three years at college
and he was coming into the NBA, then then people
would be saying, as this guy, Larry Bird, you know
how good you have to be? Like like, look, none
of those guys were ready. I mean, whomen Yama wasn't
ready to make a team. No you can't go make
a team win when you're eighteen, nineteen years old.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
You just can't do it.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Can't get into the hotel bar.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Give him a hon some college games, then let him
go to the NBA. But those days, you know, then
it's Magic Johnson, it's you know, it's Larry Bird, it's whatever.
I mean, he's that good guys.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, no, he's he's incredible. I think in some ways
NIL has saved college basketball. And in some ways the
people say it's the transfer portal. It's not the transfer portal. Okay,
that's it's a very easy one. And again maybe I'm
(16:41):
maybe I'm one of those guys that's like correcting you
and it doesn't need to be corrected. The transfer portal
is nothing more than you put yourself in the old
school days. You just have to go in to see
your coach. You could do it by going to seeing compliance,
but you're supposed to go to see your coach, say hey, coach,
I want to transfer. The coach had to release you
if you didn't want to be if they didn't want
to release you, which is weird because you don't want
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to be there, But if they didn't release you, Whi's
very very rare. You could still ask compliance or athletic
director appeal to the NCAA, but usually go in you
asked to be released, and you can sign anywhere anywhere
except for in conference. That used to be the rule.
And if you're in conference, you had to sit two years,
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whereas if you sat out of conference, you had to
sit a year. The only exceptions to that were if
you graduated on if you graduated and you still had
eligibility and the school you went to didn't have a
certain major, you could find that major elsewhere. In other words,
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grad students got to transfer. And I actually have no
problem with that rule. If you've been somewhere for long
enough to get a college degree, like that's the whole
point of this thing, and you want to go to
grad school, fine, you should be.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Able to leave.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
But what's hurt College sports is not the transfer port.
So it's that you don't have to sit out a year.
The free and clear, I can go different school, different year.
Whatever what holds me back from transferring? And let me
destroy a little bit of a narrative that is such
a false narrative. Since j Billis has pretty much ruined
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college sports, with his ideas of paying athletes no repercussions
for transfers. Let's also tell you that he's he's ruined
a narrative and made it something that is absolutely positively
it's he's done what social media does to so many problems.
And I actually like and respect Jay, but he's been
on this, he's been on this trail, marching down this
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trail for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And congrats, Jay, you've done it. Hey.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I don't think it was with the intent of making
Duke into a superpower, but that's what's ended up happening.
This is ended up happening. And if his thing is, hey,
you know what I've done is I've created all this
wealth for players. Yeah, but the reality is most of
these guys, even there's I don't know how many, maybe
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seventy five to no probably more, probably three hundred high
earners six well into six figure earners in college basketball,
but some reason they've gotten these agents are getting twenty percent,
and it's created an artificial market where when they get
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done with college.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Then what.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
If you get done with college and you've played five
years and your last couple of years you make a
whole bunch of money and then you try and go
and play overseas where they don't really value young players
and you have to earn it. You're going to go
from say you made five hundred thousand dollars and then
you go and play Pro B in Italy or you
go and play second division in Spain. You might back
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one hundred grand. You go from playing college basketball and
making five hundred thousand dollars and now is sudden like, hey,
your first job is a true professional You'll make a
buck twenty five, which is a damn good job, especially
maybe a two in Italy, and your salary can go up.
You just like, why would I make less money? Because
that's how real world works. But but one of the
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narratives is college coaches are constantly leaving. They're in the
transfer port the transfer portal four coaches never never never closes, right, Okay, cool?
In the acc in the accay of Florida State's coach retired,
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nc Stage coach was fired, Miami's coach retired. Right, none
of those coaches left their current job. That I'm just
I just want to make sure here I got it
right with. Yeah, nobody left their current job. Okay, So
that's one of the five biggest conferences in the Big twelve.
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In the Big Twelve, none of those coaches. Utah, they
fired their coach before the season was over. A West
Virginia's coach did leave and went to Indiana, a job
that was opened because the Indiana head coach was retiring.
(21:35):
So I've just gone through two conferences, and basically, and again,
the Big Twelve, it was Big twelve was sixteen teams
something like that.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
If there are four.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Major conferences or five major conferences, you're talking about five
or so of the of the coaches moving places from
one to another during an offseason. And most times, most times,
most times it's because somebody was fired. And most times
it's like Richard Patino who joined US earlier.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
He was in Mexico for four years.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Entire college basketball rosters are wiped out. In my League's
got named Andy Toole, and he's a friend of mine. Okay,
they finished with the third worst record in the league
two years ago. Last year they built up and they
won the Horizon League and they won the Horizon League tournament.
And his top four players have already gotten to the portal. Congratulations,
I'm building up a juggernaut. They're all gone. Now you
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gotta go do it again. It's such a bull crap
narrative that coaches just leave. By the way, when a
coach leaves, there's a buyout the seat I occupy. The
reason it became open late in the middle of May,
when the portal had been open for two months and
had already been purged, was because Sundance Wicks is from
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Wyoming and Jeff Linder, who was gonna be under pressure
and probably his last year, he's gone, and he's an
amazing offensive coach at Texas Tech, part of that team
that just won last night, and my school, even though
he's like, well, heck, he was only there for a
year and they're all better.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
No, they're not.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
It was a seven hundred thousand dollars buyout. Help balance
our books. If you want to start having seven hundred
thousand dollars buyouts for coaches for players, by all means
you can move. Schools at our level would be more
than happy to have huge buyouts.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Why not you want to move?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Should be a buyout, By the way, that's what happens
in the real world. Okay, If Greg Twoey is our
esteam producer, Greg, you know this you've been in the
radio business. If I've left places, if you leave, you
have a non compete. Sure, right, when I left one
(23:58):
place and went to another, I had a non compete
when I when I left, that was my first one.
I left ESPN to go to CBS Sports Radio, I
went non compete. And when I left CBS to come
to Fox, CBS because I left was still some.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Time left on my contract.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Fox wanted me to come in and and do things
during the NCAA term or do Collins showed like now
during the nca term, which I've done every year since,
and CBS is like, no, no, you can leave.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
We're not gonna stop you. We're not gonna force you.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
By the way, media contracts, I don't know how many
people would know this. Media contracts totally one side. Any
place I've left, if they if they wanted to, they
don't execute it. But if they wanted to, they can
match any contract offer and you're still under contract with them,
and they could execute a non compete for a year
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or two years. You physically can't work anywhere else. Now
they have to pay you at the rate commensurate with
whatever you're offered. Otherwise it's it's you can't make them
into employees. There's so many reasons why. The biggest reason,
the most obvious reason that nobody talks about is college
sports operates in under a tax free umbrella, and it
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saves hundreds of thousands of dollars at our level and
millions upon millions of dollars Otherwise, the second they become employees,
every benefit they get, every benefit is taxed. In addition
to the fact that now all of a sudden they
become state employees, and there's all these different processes in
terms of being being an employee. When the idea is like, hey,
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let's how about we get kids a chance to get
a great education, to play sports, and yeah, get a
little bit of money in their pocket, why not. Nobody's
ever been against that. What they've been against is what's
happening now where school after school, year after year, new whole,
new team.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Does it look bad when and when a coach goes
from Drake to West Virginia for a year and he
goes to Indiana. Sure, but I think there was a
two point six million dollar buyout for West Virginia which
will pay for their new head coach for this year.
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That's what contracts have. They have buyouts in addition to
which it happens a handful of times, whereas you're talking
about a thousand already and likely to be two or
three thousand kids in the transfer portal. And there's other
parts to it which aren't great. And look, there's success stories.
The year before I got here, all Horizon League player
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gets big money.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Last year kid named Noah Reynolds.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
To go to TCU, and good for him, My best player,
Anthony Roy, if he doesn't choose to go to the
NBA Draft because of it because he was injured and
he played eleven games after leading the country and scoring,
he'll make a crazy money. Else, that's great, that's awesome.
Those things you should have. But just all the movement
to movement, it's not the transfer portal. It's a transfer
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rule that you don't have to sit out of here.
So then when you have your fifth and sixth and
seventh school, how are we ever going to have an
alumni game?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Ever? Again? What will you ever? Who will you ever
call on when you need a job for your basketball family? Ever?
What connection do you have with the university. Let's get
to Greg Twey with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
No, no, no, this is the herd line news. All right, Dougar.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
So last time, we finally got our first OT game
in the tournament, with Texas dech rallying past Arkansas. Sweet
sixteen continues tonight, Ole Miss Michigan State kick us off
in the South, Kentucky Tennessee in the Midwest, followed by
the night cap Michigan first number one seed Auburn in
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the South as well, and then uh Purdue in Houston.
Are we feeling more chalk tonight? Are feeling a little
chalky still?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Uh? Of these games? I mean, I've told you I've
mostly mostly been chalk. I was.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I was all chalk last night and I was three
and one, not because I cared about the blind.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yet, I do think Tennessee beats Kentucky. I think Purdue
beats Uh. I do think Houston beats Purdue.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Okay, Auburn.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Michigan is big and strong, but I don't love their
guard play per se, and I think Aubura on some
level will speed them up. The only one that I
kind of like is I kind of like old Miss
interesting Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Chris Beard.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Huh yeah, you're a big Chris Beard.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Fan.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I am a Chris Biger. He's a friend and I
think he's an incredible coach. I also I love their
point guard. He he goes to He went to Shampadula,
went to Edmund Edmund North. Shampadula is a stud. He
was at Virginia Tech. And he's so good man. And like, look,
if you're gonna be white kid with the head band, you.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Better with the tournament.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And he's an absolute hooper in the tournament. He's played
two tournament games and been very good, very good in.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Both of them.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
I want to see Rick Barnes get back to the
final four. Biggest thing, biggest knock on him has always
been he can't win these big games in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Well can't score, they can't score. And this interesting interesting against.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
UH, It'll be interesting against Katucky. Now when he has
gotten to the final four, he has made deep runs. Generally,
it's when he has DJ Augustine TJ Ford. TJ Ford
took him to a final four. It's when he has
quality point guard play, quality point guard play, and Szekaia
Ziegler is a quality point guard.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So wouldn' stunt me definitely.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Have the Dodgers officially become the new evil empire in baseball. Obviously,
everybody's been mad at the Dodgers for the last couple
of years. How they put their team together, that's no surprise.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Every who's everybody.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Well, I think it's more of like a I think
it's I think it's a media thing. I think it's
a fan opposing fan thing, you know. I think they
just feel like they're taking they're taking all the cake
for themselves. But this week Dodgers CEO stand cast until
Bob Knight and go At USA today said, we keep
hearing people calls the evil empire. If we win the
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next five years in a row, go ahead, you can
call us that, but we're a long way for us
to be called evil, let alone an empire. We're proud
of what we accomplished, but there's still a lot left
to accomplish. So call us evil, calls the favorite, But
we're good for our fans that love us, and we're
good for the fans that hate us. My thing is,
I mean, are the Dodgers really villains because they have
so all their stars are re likable Otani Freddie Freeman,
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who keeps bad.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I think I think their ability to. I think their
ability to h uh move show Heyotani's money to be deferred.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Just being smarter than everybody else?
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Does that make you evil if you're smarter though, Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I mean, they have a lot of money, They spend
a lot of money. I think it's good for the sport.
You want to have somebody to now do I think
it makes it super competitive? No, but if you want
to be more now. They do have the tax system,
you know, so it's like anything else. They found loopholes
and they're willing to pay whatever there is in tax.
So for that part that that everybody's pockets get filled
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when the Dodgers sing it.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
I agree, I agree, And I just think I think
this whole like Dodgers versus the field thing, I think
it's a great storyline to fall throughout the year. And
let's be honest, if they don't win the World Series
this year, how are we gonna look at them like
it was a massive failure.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Like their season was a player.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
If they don't win the World Series, I think that's
how we all look at it.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, I mean, I think
I think it'll be looked that way. I don't think
that's the case. You know, again, we don't know. It's
like a lot like bad holiday. When you joined us,
He's like, well are they gonna stay healthy? You know
what what happened? And it's baseball. Things go bump to night.
But yeah, I mean they're the definitely the odds on favorite.
They won it last year. But remember they had to
they had to have an incredible last two games against
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the Padres where it looked like they were dead rights
against Padres. Right, So baseball is is quirky enough to
where you know there's a lot greater chance than somebody
else went with than they.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's the news.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
All right.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
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Why you'll hear it next in The Herd on Fox
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It's the Herd, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app I. We'll
talk a little bit about tonight's games NCAA Tournament. In
a second, is it Friday. It's the end of the show.
I got something saying for you. I think you're gonna
like it. It is not everything is better than it
used to be, more efficient, maybe not not better.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
It's what brings us too. Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
It's almost the end of the show. But that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind it the
very last segment. It's time for best for Last.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Okay, last night, the Chicago Bulls had an amazing comeback.
Right with twelve seconds go there down five points to
hit a three where Lebron stunningly leaves his man open
the corner. Then he takes the inbounced pass and almost
like Isaiah Thomas against the Celtics, when dj S.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Tells the ball, he bets the bird right.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
But the Lakers did get the ball back and Austin
Reeves does get a layup in what should have won
the game for them.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But then this happened for the Bulls.
Speaker 9 (35:28):
Here's leaves leaves straight. There's a lot of timeouts. Two
seconds on Danny for the leaves.
Speaker 10 (35:42):
I have, I am possible, Oh, Stacy King uh is
the is the color analyst of the call, which brings
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us to our best for last.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh sorry, already had the best for last. My bad. Okay,
So here's what I thought.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Okay, that line, the Elizabeth I'm coming for you that
comes from Sanford and Son, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Elizabeth I'm coming to join you, honey? Right?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
And every time something crazy would happen on Sanford and Son,
that's what red that was Red Fox is like go
to line And maybe this is what's missing most from
TV shows again, way more efficient now if we want
to watch it, watch a show, you know, anything from
you know Landman to yeah, I mean you you picked,
(36:47):
you picked the show, right, you picked the show succession.
You can binge watch them, right, you can binge watch them.
You can watch them whenever you want. You can download
it on your iPad, you can watch it on your heck,
you can watch it in your car, doesn't even matter.
But we we don't have is these go to lines
right like you remember, oh what was that different strokes?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Right?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
What you're talking about willis or you had uh JJ
from Good Times.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
When JJ Yeah, that was his line, dy no mind
that a light? Do you remember when yeah, with friends
not but friends cheers when Norm would walk in, I
(37:41):
mean toy that and right, this is like our childhood,
this is what this is, and everyone would everyone would
have a line that was like their go to line
that they would that they would always have. You had.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
My dad was a big Archie Bunker fan, right, all
in the family and he's to call his son in
law that's actually Rob Ryner meathead all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yep, two, you have.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Any any what was your favorite show or your family
show that the line that that the one actor would
always happen.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Well, my wife's a big Seinfeld fan. So the Kramer
entrance on Seinfeld was a.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Sure sure, which actually felt like sort of a wink
wink nod nod right too. I think the most famous
like one line of one word was Alfred Fonzarelli the Fawns,
when he would say A A A A A Ryan.
(38:38):
Are you gonna sit there and tell us how bad
seventies and eighties sitcom television was and how how corny
all this stuff was.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
No, I actually liked All the Family, Uh was actually
pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Oh my god, hysterical, hysterical, so good, right, Sanford and
his Son was an all time or two I mean,
really good show. But Stacy Stacey King who Oklahoma first
round pick of the Bulls, part of that Bulls first
championship team with Michael Jordan, Like that's a quality pull.
(39:10):
It's a dated reference, don't get me wrong. Like Towie,
did you know that reference?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
When you told me this morning, I did not. I
did not hear. I did not get it. Put tun
two together?
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Ryan, did you know it?
Speaker 8 (39:23):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I did.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Yeah, And I would say that's about that. That's about
the ratio, right, if you're like forty or over or
somewhere on that forty year over, I would say it's
probably in the twenty five percent.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Get that reference.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
If you're under forty, very a very very small percentage.
Even though that show is still probably on on TV
Land or Nick at Knight or whatever, like that's just
that's a I mean even even references for you mentioned Cheers,
I mean, that's that was That was like my family's show.
(40:01):
You know, you'd have Cosby Show and then a Different
World and then you would have Cheers. That was Thursday
night TV. That was so good was first was wasn't it?
Cosby Show? Then Family Ties?
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Then Cheers? Was Family Ties? Different night?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I don't remember, but I do remember that most of
the comedic actors, you know that whoever the jokesture was
in whatever would it would always have one kind of
go to line. And when I heard Stacy King break
that thing out. But are we done with the Lebron
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and steven A thing?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Like? Has it ended yet?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Because steven A was like, what was it seventeen minutes
uninterrupted on first take yesterday? Have we moved on yet?
I just I understand that in terms of replies, right,
Lebron won. I don't understand what the what his reasoning
was because I felt like he appeared very small despite
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his immense amount of success, Like he doesn't need to engage.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
I mean, I think I think stephen A did that
so Lebron would respond to him again, he wants this
thing to keep going.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yeah, except for what Lebron got up and confronted him
during an NBA game, you know, during an NBA game,
Like this is crazy, I just you know, and his
his thing is, well he made it personal. Well it's
impossible not to make it personal. One, it's about your
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son that people don't think should have been drafted where
he's drafted, and the idea he had him out there,
you know, first game of the year, throwing him in
the game just for a pr thing and you know,
full disclosure, you know he had He has had one
good shooting game in the NBA, and he had a
great game statistically. I didn't watch the game statistically in
the G League his last time out. He's clearly improving
(42:02):
and getting better. But I don't think anything steven A
said was below board or was personal. Again if as
Lebron said, hey, I'm okay with talking basketball, talking whenever.
So I just don't know why it matters to him.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Well, like you said when you were I think it
was a couple weeks ago when you were filling in
you said once he went pro, basically, the gloves are off.
He's fair game for anybody to.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Even when you say the gloves are off, it's not
like like nobody's beating like I'm not on social media.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
I'm not beating up on him.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Yeah no, no, no, just like, look, dude, he barely played
last year. He should have played and had his confidence
now he's getting his confidence. The other part too, it
is I think he had thirty nine in the G League.
What's crazy about that is like, he never had thirty
in a high school game. Ever, at thirty nine in
a high school game, I don't think you ever had
thirty in an AAU game once.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
He was in high school. And the point is, you're like,
why does that matter? Scoring is not everything?
Speaker 4 (43:03):
I agree, and it's one of the reasons that I
always thought that if he ever got a shot, he
would have a shot, because his only chance to really
making the NBA is is a role player. But an
NBA player generally, unless you're a super late bloomer and
you grow late whatever. Usually there's a couple of games
in high school where you're like, that's what NBA, especially
for McDonald's American, Like, that's what it looks like and
(43:26):
that wasn't him. And that's fair critique. But I guess
because about his son, I get it. I get a
son who plays. Nobody likes it feels personal, but it
should be a fair game.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Have a great weekend, enjoy the second half of the
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