Hour 2 - LeBron James

The feud between LeBron James and Stephen A. Smith needs to end 

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Speaker 3 (00:26):
What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd. Wherever you
may be and however you may make this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug gottliebe in for
Colin Cowherd on for the next couple of hours. I
want to talk sports. Well you we got the Sweet

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sixteen continuing on four hat move forward. What a performance
from Hbama and Florida and Texas Tech. And I love
Duke and the Dookies and look, I mean, I can

(01:13):
I understand what Colin has been saying about people didn't
really love the Cinderella's not everybody knows what they love,
but they do. They like the David versus Goliath. They
like the Again, it doesn't mean that it was always
great basketball with when you had one one division state
tournaments like you used to have back in Indiana. Obviously

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that's when myle in high school, or even when you
had two or three divisions, But when you have like
fifteen divisions and everybody's the state champion, you're like, come on, like,
what are we actually doing here? And I use that
because Cinderella not really having much of a fight. It's
one thing. If it's one thing, if you have you

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have high powered teams that can pay the best players
to come aboard, it's a whole other thing if the
high power teams to sit there and go like, hey,
let's go watch the mid majors play, and then every
guy they get that's pretty good. When they get to
be twenty three, twenty four and they get a year
or get an extra year, then we'll we'll pay him

(02:25):
to sit on the bench. Like that's just the reality
of it. So to people who don't understand what's happened
in college basketball, you have you have teams that have
literally thirty x the money of others, forty x the

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money of others competing in an NCAA tournament game. If
you look at my bracket, it is nearly flawless. And
it's because all I did when I picked my bracket
as a current college basketball coach. Hey, I put no
money on it, right, I just went to Fox Sports
Trade dot Com. My boss is like, you gotta do it,

(03:07):
all right, I'll do it. I just said, hey, who's
got more nil? And then obviously once it gets to
be sort of equal in nil, then I don't know.
Just on matchups, I picked a couple. But you're like, man,
how boring you picked four one seed. He's like, yeah,
they got more money than the other teams. Duh. And
they got really good coaches. Because what the SEC did
about I don't know, probably started about eight, nine, ten

(03:32):
years ago, was first they got serious about basketball. That's
serious about basketball. Auburn hired Bruce Pearl. Obviously you look
at at Tennessee and they go and you know, you
hire a guy who I think everybody respects, everybody respects

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and as much as as much as maybe he hasn't
won an NCAA championship, He's only been to one Final four.
Rick Barnes hell of a coach, right, I mean you
go on, Rick Barnes, you have John Caliperi. You kind
of go through the list, like even before that, when
Arkansas had Eric Musselman, Like muss was had it rolling

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it at Nevada. They went out and spent a bunch
of money on coaches, a bunch of money on facilities,
a bunch of money on all the support staff. And
then once you got to where you could spend your
money on players, they went all in. I like in
What's happened to the sec in basketball? What's happened when
Barry Bonds was on steroids? Right? Like, think about it.

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Sammy Sosa was a platoon guy who went on the
juice and became a prodigious home run hitter. Obviously he
couldn't sustain it. He wasn't the world's greatest hitter, but
he was an unbelievable weapon because he was clearly un steroid.
It can also prolong great careers. Roger Clemens, Right, you

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take a Roger Clemens, one of the greatest pitchers, but
he started to fade, and then all of a sudden
he started juicing up. And we saw what happened in
Toronto and after he left Toronto, or into Toronto, and
then when he came back down into the continued contiguous
fifty states and what he did late in his career. Right,
it elongates your career, But then you give Barry Bonds,

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who was already a Hall of Famer, like one of
the great hitters of any generation, he started to fade too.
You give a great hitter the best drugs, and guess what,
he becomes the best hitter we've ever ever ever seen.
He doesn't get tired, his body doesn't break down. And yeah,
he had seventy seven home runs. He probably would have
had ninety if they pitched to him. That's what happened

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to the SEC. They were already all in on basketball.
You already had Kentucky right now. You give the conference
that that has that is in proximity to many of
the best athletes, and they were already trending in the
way of being the best basketball conference. But what's happened?

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How did we go from Syracuse and Louisville and North Carolina?
And look, North Carolina spent a lot of money this year,
but all this historic acc would pit what happened to
those teams and how they get left in the dust
by Ole miss the hair Cris Beard. And they got
a huge money. So they did both. They spent that
money on coaches, on facilities, and now they spend it

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on players. It's Barry Bonds on steroids. Yeah, duh. You
know what happened to Michigan, right, Michigan got a great
coach in Dusty May, and then they opened up their
wallets and they went out and bought a really good team.
You combined a really good coach and a really good
team with a really good facilities at a really good school,
and guess what, they're awesome. Duh, wasn't that hard? And

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Colin can say whatever he wants. But everyone's memory of
the Final four, maybe memory of whomever in the past. Right.
You may not think the Butler run because they were
a top ten team, but the Butler Butler will never
be in the Final four again in this current climate,

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because it's not that you have to beat one team
that has even Butler. Now one team that has Saint Butler's.
I don't know what they're in I la is. Let's
say a million like you go against five million dollars,
six million dollars, seven million dollar teams in three consecutive rounds.
You're not going to the likelihood of winning is nominal

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at best. And you used to be able to compete
because you'd have they'd have younger players, you'd have older
players and you'd be able to have a cohesion. You
don't have that anymore. So again we may say, hey,
it's the times have changed. They have this is the

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current landscape. But you can't possibly say that you like
it more in the early rounds of the tournament, because
the early rounds of the tournament were about Vermont beating Syracuse,
were about Middle Tennessee State pool upsets, East Tennessee State,
Keith mister Jennings Harold the show arsenal at Weaber State

(08:24):
beating beating North Carolina, Kent State getting to a Lite
eight with Trevor Huffman as their point guard. Like you
name it, Steph Curry, I don't care how good Steph Curry.
Like Steph Curry as good as he is his last
year at Davidson, he would have been at one of
the ACC or SEC schools. Like well, he comes from money,

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Like do you think no matter what Steph Curry is
the current GM of Davidson's program. They just lost their
best player to the portal. Why because what's the most
they can pay him? A couple hundred thousand dollars? Great,
you can make a million or more playing at one
of the big boys and as a college player, if
you know, hey, I'm never gonna make a million dollars

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playing basketball. Ever, most kids will take it. All right,
Let's get to the story of the week, which is
Lebron James and Steven A. Smith. I'm Doug Gollibin for Collin.
This is the hurd on Fox Sports Radio. I I
don't know how much you guys listen to my show,

(09:31):
and I gotta never assume is the rule in sports radio.
So the fact that I've said this before, if you
listen to me on a daily basis, I don't apologize.
It is my job to iterate and reiterate myself. I
don't understand why Lebron did this. I just don't like

(09:53):
the I've been quiet my whole career, and I'm gonna
body slam Brian Windhorst because he got his first job,
you know, he first got got his breakthrough job because
of whatever was assumed about his relationship with Lebron. What
is the win? What's what was won by Lebron James

(10:20):
calling out Stephen A. Smith for what do you say?
His Taylor Swift tour, which it's a great line, clearly
a prepared line, but a really good line. What was
won by him saying, hey, Yiannis would have had two
hundred and fifty points, Like what what exactly was accomplished?
All it gave was some sort of credence or some

(10:43):
sort of amplification. What a great word, right, amplification, I'm
gonna win scrabbled night kids, amplification of what steven A
was saying. Yeah, of course, stephen A exposed himself as
not like dude, if Lebron James would have put his

(11:06):
hands on would put his hands on me, we would
have thrown down, like, stop it, embarrassing yourself. You're embarrassing yourself.
In addition to being ten years older than Lebron James,
he's six eight, two hundred and sixty pounds. Stop it.
There's nothing worse than a fake tough guy. And then,

(11:29):
of course he said Lebron wasn't at Kobe's funeral. He's
like my bad Earlier today, he said, Nolan Richardson, God
rest his soul. Nel rich is a former head coach
of Arkansas. They won a national championship. No, Richon is
very much alive, and well, yeah, did he expose stephen
A as being a guy who is riding the coattails

(11:52):
of Lebron James. Of who steven A actually is? And
did steven A expose himself as a guy who does
not do the homework He just does the perform, of course,
But what's the winning for Lebron pointing out other people's flaws?
Like it may feel good in the moment, but why

(12:13):
have you had to at the end of the day,
like you're Lebron James, they're not. You've scored more points
than anyone in the history of the NBA. You're not
gonna there's no fight. You're gonna win with people who believe,
like myself that Michael Jordan was the better all time player.
There's no there's no fight. Anything you do just reiterates it. Right.

(12:37):
Two nights ago they win on a tip in in Indy.
He doesn't play particularly well offensively. But if you're uh,
was it? What do they call them lebron sexuals? If
you're a Lebron sexual, you're like, see the goat? And
if you're not, if you're a Lebron hater, you're like, yeah,
well that's why he doesn't take the game winning shot.

(12:59):
But what what was Lebron's need to say, I didn't
sign with Nike because they had Michael Jordan. I signed
with Nike because they offered more money ninety million dollars,
or actually didn't say more money, he just said I
got ninety million dollars. Where again, Pat McAfee, if it
was a normal interview, the follow up was what was
the Adidas offer? Because if you signed for less money

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with Nike than you did with the didas well, then
why did you sign with Nike or Nike better? I
think the answer would be yeah, but twenty million dollars better?
Or was it because of Jordan's legacy? Why did you
wear number twenty three?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Duh?

Speaker 3 (13:38):
But again, what is what is the actual win? Here's
Charles Barkley with Dan Patrick earlier today on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Lebron he's too big to be that type of bully
to bully steven A and to bully Bron Winhorse Brian
Woodhors is a sweet person man.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
He's just trying to do his thing.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
And I've always liked Lebron, but him being a bully
it turned me off.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Dan.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
But I will say that stephen A, the way he
reacted was so lame and weak. Lebron like I say
I blamed him for starting a bullying going on past show,
just bullying people. But the way stephen A reacted going
on Gilbeth's podcast, talking tough and come on, man, you're
better than that.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
So there's only there's only losers in this scenario.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Correct, correct, tell your story real quick, okay. And I'm
not Lebron James. Matter of fact, I'm the opposite of
Lebron James. Even when I worked on ESPN covering college basketball.
But a lesson that I learned a long time ago.
I was doing halftime of the ACC Tournament and Mike's
chefsy Coach K was the coach of Duke, and I

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think they were playing Maryland at the time, and at
halftime they interviewed Chris Collins, who's now Northwestern's head coach,
was then the associate head coach, and they come to
us in studio and I immediately said, and Duke was
like losing by two points. Why do we hear from
Chris Collins? Because everybody at that point in time, I

(15:11):
think only CBS would get Coach K at halftime. I
remember it's two questions, what do you think the first half? Coach?
What are you gonna do the second half, Thanks coach, right,
that's all you really ask. But they're down two points
and the sidelent reporter goes to Chris Collins, and Chris
Collins gives two really good answers and they come back
to studio and I said, like, why why are we

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hearing from an assistant coach not from Coach K. And
there's a guy named Scott Reese And Scott was our
host of the time. Scott's like, well, what's the matter
with that? I was like, well, because when you go
into the locker room, unless it's that assistants scout, you
don't hear from all the other assistants. The assistants Mace
make suggestions, but the head coach makes the substitutions, makes

(15:57):
the final decisions. And oh yeah, by the way, he's
Mike freaking Skryzewski's coach of tam Usa basketball. He's the
most successful modern day basketball coach in the history of
the sport. Yeah, I'd like to ask him two questions
or you have to, like, I'm not gonna do the
interview if we can't hear from Coach K. So we
get done with the segment, we go to break and
there's a red phone behind me, and the man that

(16:20):
hired me at ESPN is a guy named Dan Steer.
Dan steers nickname is the Vision because the Vision sees
things other people do not. So the Vision calls me
and he says, uh, what the f are you doing?
I was like, I just did halftime vision, Like what

(16:41):
why are you calling out Duke and calling out coach
K for not doing an interview? We was already pre
agreed that we're I was like, I understand, but like,
why win Coach K? Like Coach K, we want to
hear from Coach K. And he asked me the same
question I would ask Lebron James, what's the win? What

(17:02):
was the win in what you just said? And does
this is the squeeze worth the juice? What was the win?
What was the win in? Lebron James going on McAfee like,
if it was to tweak steven A. Smith instead of
confronting him at the Laker game, he should have pretended
like he doesn't exist at the Laker game, right, giving credence.

(17:29):
And I've said this back when I was doing halftime
of games, when Beheim would call me out, when any
other coach when the Big ten commissioner would called me
out a long time ago by giving credence to the
things I say. And also instead of and here's where
I will credit Lebron that he didn't assassinate stephen A's character.

(17:53):
He just assassinated his takes, right, did he fib about it?
Sure he can't take constructive criticism of Brownie James because
all I've offered up is constructive criticism of Bronnie James.
And he tweeted at me, so he clearly can't take it.
But the easiest thing if you want somebody to go

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away and you're somebody super powerful, pretend like they don't exist.
And instead Lebron fed the beast, fed the beast all right?
Coming to him next in the heard him Doug Gottlieb
feeling in for Colin. Did you see how Texas Tech
one or how Arkansas lost? Coach Cal's team was up

(18:41):
six with them minute ten? Did he admit fault in
their collapse? We'll find out next.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
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Speaker 3 (18:58):
We'll get to coach cal Well and the breakdowns of
Arkansas basketball last night, Plus we got a Herdline news
including we'll get to Herdline news and also a stunning
firing in the NBA just a very like a month
before the playoffs begin, and you'll hear from that with

(19:20):
Herdline news upcoming. But let's talk some Major League baseball
good friend of mine. Who's Who's I think, if not
for the steroid arrow, would be in the Hall of Fame. Uh.
He's Matt Holiday's a seven time All Star, four times
Silver Slugger courses Son. Jackson was the number one overall
pick of the Baltimore Orioles two years ago. Plays for
the Orioles all last year and into this year. Obviously,

(19:43):
gonna get a full season with the O's. He joins
us now in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio yesterday
Opening Day. Man, they're treating you like super old man.
Now you're in the back of some car doing the
whole prom prom king waves. That was happening yesterday.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Well, unfortunately, I am forty five, and I think that's
the Unfortunately, the circle of baseball life is is that
eventually you're the guy that sits in the back of
a car and smiles and waves and uh then go
about your day. So yeah, I mean I missed the
uh the thrill of playing an opening day, but it

(20:23):
was enjoyable to be back in Saint Louis and and
uh get a chance to be around opening day at
least and and so yeah, yeah, yep, I'm old. So
that's how it works.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Did you you did? If you will? Did? I mean, like, look,
it's still cool, right, you go out there's bush dating,
it's Opening Day, it's Americana. But when when you're going right, like,
I'm that guy now right, I'm.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
That Unfortunately it's coming first all so you know it's uh,
you know, part of you looks out there on the
field and goes, you know, I think I could. I
could still I could still I can still Remember.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
We had hold on. We had this conversation last year
at your house. We did me you Ethan Jackson and
we're like, could you still do it? You're like, yeah,
as a d H yeah yeah absolutely I could still
do it? Right, So do you still do you still
feel that way? That was last year? No, that was

(21:17):
last year.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Well, I know I'm saying like you know, a year later,
here my hips hip's not a good spot.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
You know, the VLO is not coming down anytime soon.
Uh So I would say I think it's I think
it's over. I think the the idea that I could
somehow be a productive hitter in the major leagues is probably,
uh figure my imagination.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
That's that's that that that's that's fair enough. What about
the Cardinals, Uh, you know, a couple of years ago
it was bottom of the barrel. Obviously it's been a rebuild.
What are your expectations for the Cards this year?

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Well, I think that there is no expectations from anyone, really.
I mean I think everyone has written them off as
probably uh non contending and and uh probably the bottom
of the basement of of the NL Central with some
of the the younger teams and talented kind of trajectory
of the Reds and the Brush and even the Pirates.

(22:19):
So I honestly think that they still have a team
that could surprise the people and win maybe a few
more games than predicted. I mean, I'm not going to
sit here and predict them to make the playoffs, but
and and looking at a roster like that, there is
always a chance that young players take a dramatic step forward,
or at least a substantial step forward that would it

(22:43):
would allow them to win more than people are projecting.
So I don't know that that's I don't know that
I would predict that, or that I would even you know,
sort of guess that. But I do think they're gonna
I think they'll be better than people think. I think
that they will win more games than projected. I still

(23:03):
think Sonny Gray and Eric Fetti and Miles Michaelis are
are a decent You know that they've produc a chance
to have good starts. They have one of the best
closers in the league, which is always nice to have.
If you have a lead in the eighth inning, you
feel like you're gonna win that game. So I think
that that's that's a that's an advantage. You know, if
Nolan Ernado can, you know, perform like he's capable, I

(23:28):
think at some point they would probably try to trade him.
But I think if he was a thirty homer, one
hundred RBI player that he's been in the past in
the middle of their lineup, that would obviously help. But
it's gonna be an interesting season because they will try
to have to figure out if at some point do
you trade Aeronatto, do you trade Hell's lead, do you

(23:51):
trade Eric Fetti, or do you you know, sort of
use them moving forward as people to build around. So
it's a fascinating year for the Cardinals in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Matt Holliday joining US, former Cardinal, former Yankee form former
a can't forget the six months with the A's, and
of course former Rocky joining us in the herd on
Fox Sports radiom Doug gotliber filling in for Colin. You know,
one of the other things that you and I have
talked about is, you know, with the rule changes in baseball,
it changed how the sport is played right, brought speed

(24:24):
back to the game, brought athleticism back to the field.
You know, I've talked to you know, the guys with
the Brewers and everyone, and the Brewers throw out there
in the field has been a shortstop at some point
in their lives. Right. Defense is so much more important
now than it's ever been. Are the Cardinals one of
those teams kind of like the where the Yankees had been,
where they were constructed for a different era, where you

(24:47):
could have bigger, older home run hitters, and yet all
of a sudden the sport changed and they got kind
of caught up in the wash.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, I would probably point to the fact that they
have not developed players in their own system that have
have been able to play at the all star caliber level.
The Latin American pipeline has not been good in the
past few years, so I would say it's probably more
of them revamping their minor league system and their development

(25:22):
that I think that that they would point to, and
that I would point to. I don't necessarily think it
was like they they got stuck with with a certain
type of team that passed them by. I think it's
more of just you have to produce if you're not
going to and even the teams like the Dodgers that
are buying free agents, you've got to produce the core

(25:45):
of your team from your own organization. You have to
get the first and second and third round picks. You
have to get them right more often than not, you
have to you have to score some of your own
superstars so that you can supplement around them to have
sustainable success. In my opinion, so I think that that's
something that they haven't been able to do recently, and

(26:09):
eventually it kind of caught up to them where they
were they were they were sort of just filling filling
holes and trying to maintain competitiveness as opposed to putting
a team together that could actually win the World Series.
And I think they got to the point where they said,
you know what, Uh, the system is broken and we've
got to revamp from the bottom all the way to

(26:31):
the top. And and so I think that's the process
they're in right now, and I think they're moving forward.
That's that's something they've got to get back to.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
What about the Dodgers, you know, an amazing lineup and
amazing team that gets to another World Series, finally wins
a World Series outside of obviously the COVID World Series,
and then what do they do. They go out and
spend more. What's the flaw to the Dodgers.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
Well, the flaw is is that it's baseball and that
anything can happen. You could have injuries, you could have
you know, performance drop offs. It's it's a game where
anything can happen. The best team doesn't always win in
the playoffs because as you know, October is it is

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crazy and if you can get in and a team
gets hot and they run into the wrong team. Uh,
anything could happen, and so I think that that's still
a variable and in all sports, but I think particularly
in baseball, that that that kind of thing could happen.
But I think, you know, from just the pure perception
of their roster, it's it's hard to pick much apart.

(27:37):
I mean, they're they're they have they have aircraft carriers
in their lineup that can carry the team, and have
starting pitching with high end stuff, and they have a
bullpen that if the starter comes out in the fifth
inning or fourth inning, they can still go to UH
three or four of other teams closers and recent you know,
recent history that have dominant stuff. So they can beat

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you in a lot of different ways. So I don't
really see any major hole in their team. But I
do think that, like I said, not always does the
most talented or the best team win.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
We talked a little bit about efficiencies. You know, the
last time I watched Alabama hit what twenty five of
fifty one threes. Obviously that's like crazy, crazy numbers, but
you know, you and I watched the NBA. You watch
you know, TNT and talking about how you know, they
don't like, they don't like how all these threes that
are taking whatever. And my pushback is like, we really

(28:38):
want to go back to the age of inefficiency, you
know for baseball, right, we know what became. It used
to be either what was it a couple of years ago,
sixty six percent of the time the ball never touched
anybody other than the pitcher, the catcher or the hitter's bat,
right because it was either strikeout, walk or home run out.

(29:00):
Now with speed returning to baseball, because the because the
you can only throw over there a couple of times,
and the bigger, the bigger bags, what, what are the
new rules of efficiency in baseball?

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Well, I mean, yeah, I mean I think that that's
that's probably the one major thing that stands out is
the idea that now you're gonna have to manufacture runs
because I think if you stick around and wait to
try to hit the home run, it's boring baseball. It's
it's it's hard to do. The pitching is at an
all time it's at an all time high. I think

(29:37):
the veilo's up again, and so there's gonna be a
lot of strikeouts. It's gonna be tough to score runs. Uh,
So I do think that that having players that can
find ways to score runs outside of the home run,
which as we all agree, is boring when all it
is is a strikeout, a home run or a walk.
I mean, that's that's not fun to watch. So I
do think that there's a lot of exciting young players

(29:58):
and show Hey stealing any bases and Elie de la
Cruz I think he's told eighty bases, and Ronald Tuna
and you have these players that offer for a dynamic,
really exciting. I think it's I think baseball has a
lot of really really fun to watch young superstars, uh,
to build the game around. So it's uh, it's I
think it's it's like you said earlier, it's a more athletic.

(30:20):
It's trending more athletic, which is good. I think people
like to watch that. So I think that's probably the
biggest thing.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
All right, old man, I hope it gets better. You
got to get back on that. It's it's pickleball season,
and I know it's you know, like out there, I
know it's always pickleball season, but especially as it warms
up outdoor pickleball season as has returned, Yeah, I wish
you the best of luck on the circuit. And you
look good as the old as the old man in

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the back of the car yesterday.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
Uh yes, I believe we get a year older every day. Ever,
every year it's the same on the same day, so
it's differences differences.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
We also get better looking every day. That's the other
part that does happen. All right, Hi, Hi to everybody
at the ranch. Thanks, thanks for joining me. All right, sir,
that's uh my guy, Matt Holiday joining us fresh off
of being the smiling wave guy in the back of
the the old I think it was like a fourth
thunderbird or something yesterday with the Cardinals. Let's get to
Greg Twoey with the news.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
No, no, this is the herd Line News. Well, Dougar,
we got a couple of breaking news stories here. One
in the NBA. This is very interesting. Just in the
last half hour so, the Grizzlies have announced they have
fired head coach Taylor Jenkins, which just a few weeks
left in the regular season. The Grizzlies are currently the

(31:43):
five seed. They're only a game and a half out
of the three seed. They struggled a late losing four
or five without draw Morant with his hamstring injury.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
But you're the hoops guy.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
Why does this happen now so close to the playoffs?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
What's going on? I don't know? Is this player driven?
I I don't know, like legit, no idea? I mean,
are you look? That's why you know we can make
fun of all these guys that are that are insiders.
By the way, shout out to Brian Windhorst. Brian windhorse
was accident about Lebron kind of talking ish on him whatever,

(32:22):
and he said, Lebron knows me nothing. I owe him
a lot. I mean, that's just take the high road,
which is all Lebron had to do. It's just weird.
But now we're like we're gonna all tune in to here, windy,
Windy Windy? Why why? Who is it? Because I think
Taylor Jenkin is a really really good coach that stunds me. Yeah,

(32:43):
I don't, I don't get it.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
I mean it's just especially as they're they're not it's
not like they're like it's not like they were like,
you know, middle tier the West, and then they've just
literally fell fallen apart the last few weeks.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Like they're right there.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
I mean, there's not that much these teams, and then.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
It would Yeah. I mean, look, either he doesn't get
along with his boss in the GM or with the owner,
or you know, his star players don't listen to him anymore.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
Yeah, And that's that's the usually, isn't it. Yeah, this
just came down as well. The Colorado Board of Regions
have approved a new five year, fifty four million dollar
deal for head coutch Deon Sanders that will make him
one of the highest paid coaches of the in the country.
Taking him through the twenty twenty nine season, he will
make roughly ten million, just over ten million dollars per year.

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We all kind of assumed Dion was out the door
when his sons were done playing, and his name was
obviously floated around with the Cowboys job. But do we
think he could actually stay at Colorado long term?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I think he's gonna stay at coloradoler.

Speaker 6 (33:43):
I mean, does it because also, like we heard about
the Florida State thing, and there were other jobs more
high profile than Colorado.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Look, I think he I mean again, if you want
to keep him, you have to pay him. I think
that that and he's earned it, right, He's earned it
based upon what they've done, attendants eyes, how much money
they make. The only thing that I don't want to
hear from Dion is I don't want to hear any
complaints about not having enough money.

Speaker 6 (34:08):
Yeah, I can't get these kids because I can't afford
We can't afford them.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Right, because it all now can come from the same pot. Right,
just so people are aware, you can the collective because
you have the rev share, right, and schools at the
power four level, Hey, they have a rev share. It's
like I think twenty two million dollars basically split between

(34:34):
two and a half sports, right, and so college football
will have a gigantic pool, and then the big time
programs have even more in a collective for some sweetener.
But what you can't hear from Dion is I do
not want to hear anything about like we just don't
have enough money, because hey, big boy, you don't have
to take ten million dollars, like five is enough, six

(34:55):
is enough, seven is enough. If you put three of
that into the collective, you know, then we have no
more complaints. So he has earned all of that money
earned it. Flip that program. It is more than competitive.
Do I think they could be because I guess we'll
find out, right it was. You know, you show up

(35:17):
and you sit down like, Look, this is the challenge
for so many coaches when they go to a new
job or whatever. It's like, you know what happens? What
happens when you know if you have a son. We've
seen this with Greg McDermott, right, his best run at
Crayton was when he had Doug mc But they've continued
on the success hasn't fallen off. Tucker Debris is going

(35:40):
to play for his dad at Indiana. He didn't play
most of this year because he had a shoulder injury.
You know what does Indiana look like when he's done
so again, I don't know what they look like, but
they clearly had to match whether it was a real
or fake offers out there in the NFL, and that's
what they've done. So and they fill up those stands

(36:01):
with the tenants. They're competitive in the Big twelve. All great,
but what you can't do if you take top dollars,
you can't complain about if there's not enough dollars for
something else on campus.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
Yeah, they're recruiting will be fascinating to see. Now it's
Shudor's gone.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
That's the news. Douger, Well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by The Herd Line news.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Uh wake here at John Caliperi said about his team's
collapse late last night. That's texting the Herd.

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Speaker 3 (37:35):
Doug Gottliebin for Colin. This is the Herd Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio App. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in Okay. So if you're
watching college basketball last night, you may have seen one
that all the favorites won, although Texas Tech didn't cover.
But Texas Tech comes from way down to come back.

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They're down six with a minute twenty to go and
and ultimately end up coming back and beating They beat
Arkansas in overtime.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
And.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Some of the conversation is over whether or not whether
Arkansas should have filed up three when Texas Tech hit
a three with I think it was ten and a
half eleven seconds to go. Here's John Caliperi after the game.

Speaker 8 (38:27):
In my career, I let that go. Let the guy
get to the room. They're not going to foil you.
You know they're in with that kind of time. Just me,
you call a time out, now, you got to worry
about what he's doing, how he's playing the inbound, what
are you doing? So I usually let that go now
because it ended the way it is. Yeah, I wish

(38:48):
I would have called a timeout, but ninety nine percent
of the time I let that go because now I
know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
They know what we're doing.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
That's why we did it.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Okay, So that's calling a timeout when Texas Tech scores
to take the lead late, and I understand, like, I
know you look at our record, You're like, I don't care.
I've actually coached college games, and we lost our last
game of the regular season up fourteen to the second half,

(39:18):
up five with I think eighteen seconds ago, and we
did for the most part, we prepared the guys and
tried to execute everything right you're supposed to do with
the lead, which, by the way, Arkansas did not. Okay,
it starts with the burning or milking of the clock.
So two wey' all just ask you do you do
you know what that means in the in the college landscape,

(39:41):
burning the clock. Yes, when I say burning the clock
with the lead, what do you think that means?

Speaker 6 (39:48):
I mean passing the ball around.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Okay, No, it's not Okay. Burning the clock is when
the ball goes when the ball goes through the hoop.
In college basketball, the clock until the entire first half,
and you can do it to burn off a two
for one. But in the second half when you have
a lead. When you have a lead, the smart thing

(40:13):
to do is to shorten the game. And you can
shorten the game by not touching the basketball. And then
once you get the basketball, you can throw the ball
to the official. You can roll the ball and bounce
because the clock doesn't the shot clock doesn't start until
you touch the ball. It makes sense, yep. So some teams,

(40:36):
maybe ours, are taught to if we're in a burn situation,
you can one don't touch the ball too. When the
inbounder gets the ball, you can throw it to the official,
who promptly throws it right back to you. Hey. You
can also while the ball is bouncing, you can buy
time by teaching guys to tie their sneakers again, clocks

(40:59):
still run, and then rolling the ball in bounds. Because
if you think about it, at one point they're up.
I think the most of the lead was late. It
was it was eleven and then thirteen with four forty
three to go, thirteen thirteen. Every time Texas Tech scored,

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including Christian Anderson's three point shot. You don't touch the ball,
let a bounce, let a bounce, let a bounce, roll
it in whatever anyway, those things can be done to
shorten the game. Shorten the game. But in regards to
calling a timeout, not calling a timeout, I had this
exact same situation happened three times this year, and despite
the fact that we practiced with our team, I went

(41:42):
back and tracked it. We forty two times in practice
we have a play three seconds or above up until
seven seven seconds are below. We have a play and
sometimes it was executed, sometimes it was not. People always
forget if you call a timeout, it allows the other
team to set their defense. What's crazy about the time
out was Texas tex coach tried to call the time

(42:04):
out after they made the basket to set his defense.
You can be right and still miss a shot. That's
what happened to Arkansas. It was the right thing to
not call a timeout, it was the wrong thing to
not have a better play on