March 31, 2025 • 59 mins
John dives into the NCAA tournament by discussing having all number 1 seeds reaching the Final Four and how the days of seeing major upsets in college sports are essentially over due to NIL and schools being able to pay players. Next, John does a massive mailbag and answers many of your questions.
4:32 - NCAA Tournament
13:35 - Mailbag
18:51 - Draft experience
20:30 - Lions QB situation
36:01 - How to fix the Cards
38:40 - Caleb Williams needs more respect
48:05 - Raiders and home field advantage
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoff three Now Podcast. I was on the fence
when I woke up today. I'm like, am I gonna
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record anything today? Nothing really going on? And then I
watched Final Four. I was like, you know what, I'll
do a little mail bag touch on the Final four
and just college sports in general, bang out some of
your questions. So at John Middlecoff, is the Instagram firing
those dms like it's open real estate? Baby? Who else?
Small percentage of people are grinding on a Sunday in
the off season, I'll do something. So the game plan
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this week we will owners meeting, so I'm sure some
stories are gonna come flying out of there. We will
hit on definitely some of that stuff tomorrow. Scotti Scheffler
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will hit on that as well on Go Low this week.
So look for that and then we'll have podcasts all
week long. Other than that, today will be a mailbag special.
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mailback questions, the final four set in it is four
number one seats. And I was thinking today when I
was just sitting in the sauna getting a good soak,
getting all the toxins out of my body, that you know,
if you think about the college football final four was
Texas VRSUS, Ohio State and Penn State against Notre Dame.
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And listen, I got my start in this business, not
technically this business, but in the sports world at Fresno State,
a small school, a little underdog. We will play anybody, anytime, anywhere,
and a school that first had aspirations of making it
to a BCS game, and ultimately Boise State was able
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to do it. And people have followed since. You know,
other small school programs have I would say, made huge
impacts over the last fifteen ten years. Basketball. Obviously, we
have had a ton of Cinderella's make runs into the
Elite eight, and I would say, over the course of
my adult life, the last twenty years, a Ton making
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to the final four. I mean San Diego State made
a run VCU. I mean it's Butler with Brad Stevens.
Those days are over and like people are going to
complain about it, and we talked about it. I think
earlier last week about the transfer portal, I think ice
Cube had a line called big Bank Take little Bank
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that there's always been a huge advantage for Duke basketball,
Kentucky basketball, Alabama football, Michigan, Ohio State football, like they've
always had the advantage over VCU or Butler or Boise
Stated football, or San Diego State at Fresno State. The
only thing that's changed is now they don't even need
to hide the ability to brown bag the players because
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they give him a ten ninety nine which has several
zeros on it, and they can take your player whenever
they want. So listen, I'm not against the little guy.
I went to small schools like I went to Cal Pauly.
I didn't go to USC or Oregon. But when I
sit on my couch, even when I was at Cal Pauly.
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We watched Texas against USC Like I've always said, I
watched Pro Sports to watch Tiger Woods, Tom Brady, Steph Curry,
Like I'm not watching it to watch the overachieving, random
guy fun story every once in a while. But we
turn it on for Patrick Mahomes and the Watt brothers
and the Manning brothers like that. That's why we tune in.
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And let's face it, college basketball and college football has
kind of always been like that as well. The reason
the SEC is so dominant now was because of fifteen
years of Nick Saban. A rising tide lifts all boats,
created such a demand for the other programs to keep up. Economically,
the interest in the sport got so big, and the
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money they get from television is bigger than all the
other conferences, so they have more money to pay the
other coaches. And once you start paying the other coaches,
the expectations is to win. And now with nil it
has expanded and I think that we just need to
get used to. Obviously, in the NCAA tournament, there are
gonna be some random upsets. It's a one game scenario,
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so it's not like for the next ten years. Get
ready for like ninety percent of the time, it's going
to be four number one seats, or it's just going
to be Texas, Ohio State and Notre Dame every single year.
That's not going to be the case, but it's gonna
happen way more often than not. So if you're a
fan of the little guy, if you went to one
of those smaller schools, I hate to break it to you,
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you're fucked. It's even the slim, slim hope you ever had.
And I remember when I was when I was at
Fresno State, we were in the whack and we're like, God, if.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Boys could get just get their shot, give Boise their shot,
and then they would get in some of the BCS
games and they would like put them against TCU, who
at the time was also not in the Big twelve, right,
so like they were some power program.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It's like, why don't these schools ever get the shot
because they don't want them to get the shot. They
want a monopoly on the money. And now they got
a monopoly on the players because the the Ashton Genty
situation where he could have transferred. We don't know the
exact schools. I bet people in the NFL have been
told when they've interviewed them. You know, the schools that
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were offering you seven figures and he just took three
hundred thousand dollars to stay at Boise. Like that is
that's going to be an outlier. Example. Steph Curry's breakout
to the country happened when he was a sophomore in college.
He came back and played in another year at Davidson.
That player, obviously he was unique. His dad was an
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NBA player. But I'm just saying, the next Steph Curry,
the next job Morant, the next smaller school guy is
going to transfer, and that school is just kind of
screwed and they just become like a minor league feeder system.
I saw it when I lived in the Bay Area
with the Oakland A's, who are now the Sacramento A's,
who actually I think might be pretty good. They didn't
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spend any money, but they could pick out talent better
than any team probably in the league. And Billy Bean
has had like maybe not six, but like four or
five iterations of playoff teams with different core groups of
players over like twenty years, because every three or four
years he has to sell because those guys are getting
close to getting paid and he has to restart the cycle.
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But like they just acted as the feeder system for
the Yankees, for the Red Sox, for the Cardinals, for
the A's and for the Giants. It doesn't mean all
those players always worked out when they left, but for
the most part, like those teams circled the drain when
they realize like it's over for this group of guys,
and then they would have to sell. And that's kind
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of what the smaller basketball programs are. That's definitely what
these smaller football programs are. But it's not even just
the San Diego States and Boise States or VCUS and Butler's.
It's like the second and third tier programs in their
own conference. Like if you're Alabama or LSU or Georgia
and you play Mississippi State and you go, god, they
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got Darius Slay or Fletcher Cocks and it's pretty clear
like their second year, like this guy's it's gonna be
like a top fifty draft pick. This guy could be
a first rounder the latest day two you're recruiting them,
and right now there aren't really rules, and even when
those rules get instituted, like who's actually instituting the rules
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the NCAA, does anyone respect them anymore? Is anyone listening
to them? And I just think this situation really really
benefits the big dogs and the Obviously, if you have
a high level coach means you're paying him a lot
of money and a big collective, you're gonna have massive
advantages you've had him, and it's only going to grow
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and grow moving forward. And even when they set a
salary cap based on the television revenue, this is not
the pros where it's like Andy Reid and Clark Hunt
don't need to worry about like who Patrick Mahomes is
in business with off the field, right, He's just his agent.
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His marketing team will all State Oakley Like they'll just
handle all that. In college, Like the huge advantage is
going to be for Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Like we'll
give you, you know, whatever your salary cap number is.
I'm just gonna pick a random like we really want
you to play for Texas. Here's four hundred and fifty
thousand dollars, and we also can get double that number
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by getting you these three deals. And they're going to
try to like I think separate church and state where
it's like the programs no longer have to do with
nil bullshit, that that's gonna be a huge advantage for
the big boys. So listen, uh it just it is
what it is, and money always creeps in. We live
in America, and they've people have been clamoring for this.
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You know, the media has led this charge for a
long time and wherever it started to go where listen,
these guys deserve to be paid. It was always going
to benefit the big dogs in the big conferences, in
the big schools, and it's pretty evident that like that's
going to be the case. I think it was four ones,
three twos, and a three in the elite eight. I mean,
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look at who was in the college football playoffs. It's
gonna be the same group of we take twelve teams.
They basically automatically take a Boise State program so they
don't get sued. So there's basically eleven other slots. I
would say it's gonna be the same eighteen to twenty
teams for those eleven spots for the next five or
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six years. Occasionally we'll have a random Indiana. But Indiana
didn't come from like some rant. It came from. I
think most people will agree the second best football conference,
and you could argue this year was the best football conference.
But yeah, I feel for the little guy because they're done.
So okay, let's do some mail bad questions for the pod.
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Listen to you, and it seems real hypocritical to say
the Patriots and Drake May are overhyped. Vrabel was dragging
the Titans and Ryan Tannehill to a one seed. He's
a good coach and his system works. Drake May's rookie
season stats are better than Josh Allen's rookie numbers, and
the team record is pretty comparable. Dick's contract is tenty
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six million dollars guaranteed is minimal, especially for someone you
hope is your wide receiver too. I think it's bs
to say very many people are talking about them as
a playoff team, but all the elements of the Chargers
to the five seed are present. If the Patriots draft well,
most people at best are thinking eight to nine wins
their ceiling this year, if I remember correct. I was
(12:22):
asked that question by someone telling me that they thought
they were overhyped, and my take was, I am pro
Vrabel and I'm with you. He's got a lot of
hardball parallels. But comparing Drake May going into his second
year to like Josh Allen, I mean, Josh Allen's is
the league MP and one of the best players, not
just in the league, but one of the most talented
players we've ever seen. And I mean has dominated the
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division since Brady left and it hasn't even been close.
I mean last year, what did they get a hat
and teacher game like December first, Like it's not even
it's not even a fair fight. They have become what
the Patriots were for twenty years in the AFC East.
It's there is no competition. But you compared him to
Harbaugh and Drake May, I think or Harbaugh and Justin Herbert.
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Justin Herbert as a rookie and again he had I'm
not comparing the cast of characters they each played with,
but I'm pretty sure, like she said, a rookie record,
I think he threw over thirty touchdowns, Drake May last
year was like fifteen and ten. I'm not anti Drake May.
I'm a huge fan. He's the type guy that I
love drafting in the top five in the draft. Swing
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for the fences, but there's no guarantee he's gonna be
Josh Allen even Justin Herbert is widely considered by people
in the NFL as a lock top five quarterback, so like,
and he was viewed that way pretty quickly. Drake may
a lot like Caleb. There's just a lot of I
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would say, hope rightfully, so big arm, a lot of talent.
Obviously Rake's bigger than Caleb, but that's what it is.
It's hope. You actually gotta do it. Ryan Tannehill had
been a long time starter in Miami before uh Vrabel
resurrected his career, so there was a lot of experience.
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And I'm pretty sure hadn't Tanny Hill, I think he
made the playoffs one year, might have tour his ACL
that year, and then I think Matt Moore ended up
starting in the playoffs. But I think some of your comparisons,
Rabel's a stut Stefan Diggs. Like, I'm sorry, the Stefan
Diggs thing is kind of crazy. He has a torn
ACL like he tore his ACL. Now, I don't blame
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the Patriots are desperate. They got to give their money
to somebody. Crafts have been so cheap they got to
meet the salary floor. But I don't know, man, I'm
not acting like they're gonna suck either, but the five seed,
I think that's kind of crazy. Are the Yankees already
cheating thirty two runs in two games? Moneyball? Nah? Money bats?
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I love the torpedo bat. This is just what baseball needs,
you know, people, it's funny. And now ESPN dropped Baseball.
Manfred and and ESPN were going back and forth. They've
talked a lot of shit back and forth, and everyone
acts like baseball is just some irrelevant sport. Yet you know,
the NBA Finals haven't sniffed what the World Series did
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last year in a long long time. I actually think
baseball is more popular than the perception of it now.
This is coming from a guy who doesn't watch much
baseball anymore until the playoffs, but I do think the
way it's discussed is different than its reality. And the
Yankees and the Dodgers are a really big deal, you know,
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And I mean a really big deal. And if Aaron
Judge got to use the torpedo bat to hit eighty
home runs, I'm an Aaron Judge guy Fresno, State from
from the Valley Cali. So I'm rooting for these Yankees
to just bomb it away with these torpedo bats. I
think I saw a headline that Brewers manager said nothing
will happen to them because it's the Yankees type story
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baseball needs, really and also being the Yankees is important.
The only two teams that would like if it was
just like the the White Sox using the torpedoes or
the uh I don't know, just some random team like
the Diamondbacks or the Rockies. I just don't think anyone
would care. But it's the Yankees and it's Aaron Judge
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hitting just bombs. I think he hit a home run
this morning. I saw when I was laying on the
couch watching a little television when I got up drinking
my coffee. You know, they played early in the morning,
and I think it's his fourth home run. He's on
pace for a lot. Hey, John, I'd like to hear
your perspective on your experience. Have you attended the NFL Draft.
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If so, what was it like. What are some must
do experiences for a first time attendee. Any tips for
getting the best fan experience. I've attended it one time,
and that was my first year. In Philly, but it
was at Radio City Music Hall, So you know, I
don't even think they have this anymore, but remember at
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Radio City for those of you old enough, I mean,
it's been a traveling circus. Now. I don't know, it
feels like a decade, maybe a little less eight years.
Every team had those tables with the helmet and then
you would write on the card and hand it to
the guy. So it's like, you know, you draft, Hey,
I'm drafting Shador Sanders and you write the name and
then you'd write New York Giants and the New York
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Giants team would hand it to the guy in the NFL.
I got to do that my first year. It was
pretty cool, and it was it was an elite draft.
It was Cam Newton's draft, JJ Watt, Julio AJ Green,
Alden Smith, Tyron Smith. I mean it was I remember
taking a leak and I had to go behind because
the bathroom you had to go to the front or
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kind of go to behind where the green room was.
So I was in the green room. I remember I
saw Cam walking around. I'm like, holy shit, this guy's huge,
and I think I peed next to it was either
AJ or Julio a long time ago, but that is
not the experience of what you guys do now, so
I can't give advice on what these are like. I
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don't know. Does feel kind of like a zoo with
everything going on? Though? For the mailbag, huge fan of
the program. A couple questions for you, big Lions fan,
diehard Lions fan. Is Jared got the guy that will
get it done? Do we go all in this year,
as in we get a big trade somewhere. It's just
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hard when we have so many contracts gonna be up
so soon. Hutchinson, Jmo Gibbs. I don't know if Jamo's
getting paid or do we keep drafting like we do.
That's a good question. I think, you know, if Aiden Hudson,
which I was watching, you know, I'm a sicko. I
watched probably an hour on YouTube the NFLPA golf tournament
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and the Lions had a team and Aiden Hudginson was
there and I was like, God, he looks pretty good.
Like it's you know, the legue. I don't think they
were lying when they said if they made the Super
Bowl he could have played. I guess it was just
a shattered leg. You had Sauce Gardner using the long putter.
I mean, you talk about that guy's a junkie. I was.
I was enthralled by the NFLPA golf tournament at at
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it was in Mexico. No brain er trip. If you're
in the league and you play golf, Wait, you just
get a free trip by the PA to Mexico. I
play golf a couple of days. I bring my girlfriend
or wife. Uh, it was it was a mix of you.
I mean, Felan was there. Felan was actually on Minnesota's
team with like Harrison Smith, Harrison Phillips, and Hockinson. They
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actually had a pretty good little squad. But the Lions.
I don't know why I got off on that tangent,
but oh yeah, you guys had a squad as well.
Hudginson was playing. To me, the trade always was gonna
be like could you get Miles Garrett, could you get
Max Crosby? Like it was worth doing something like that.
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That guy doesn't exist. You're not gonna do it, and
you just keep drafting. But it does get difficult to draft.
When you draft in the late twenties every year, you know,
it's much easier to get aiden Hutchinson. When you're drafted
in the top ten, top five two, it's much easier
to draft. When you can trade from six to twelve
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and get Jamier, Gibbs and Laporta, it does get more difficult.
You know. Listen, everyone shitted on Belichick, but when you
start rattling off Super Bowls, it's hard to draft. It's like,
why can't Andy Reid find a tackle? I don't know,
he drafts thirty one or thirty two every year. You
try to find Trent Williams a pick thirty one, godspeed.
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I mean, it's like, what's he supposed to do? So
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Speaker 1 (22:40):
Heard you on a recent podcast answering a mailback question
regarding career mentioning going door to door sometimes, and that
got me thinking, I'm currently a thirty two year old
and I live in South Florida, Fort Lauderdale, sneaky great place.
After finally having a wake up call in real I
need to figure out what I want out of life.
(23:02):
I'm currently trying to decide my next step. I'm in
a job I don't like at all and was denied
a promotion. Fuckers, But my experience beside a bachelor's in
business management is just dead end customer service jobs. I
currently have all the willpower and motivation to attack something
head on and start making some money, but I'm just
(23:25):
having trouble figuring out what I have bills to pay
and my current job doesn't pay enough, so I'm trying
to find a second job or a full time job
that pays more. Any advice, well, I can't relate to. Like.
The only thing I've ever done is what I wanted
to do, and that was from the jump. You know.
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I kind of figured out in college, like I can't
just take random jobs. I'll hate them, I'll suck. I'm
not smart enough to kind of fake it. I had
to do. So I've never worked in something that I
didn't like. Now doesn't mean I liked it every day,
but I've always done things that I like, so I
can't relate to that part. But I can relate to
(24:06):
the part of feeling lost. I mean, I've been fired
and didn't have a job after the Eagles in twenty thirteen,
and I was twenty nine years old, and I just
did a new nose, like I'm probably not going to
get another NFL job. I'm not going to move. I
didn't know that many people in the league. I'd only
worked at one spot. It was like, what am I
going to do? And I just went to coffee shops
(24:28):
and kind of figured it out. I didn't have any
money coming in, so I wasn't one of these fired coaches.
Like my contract ended and it was just over. And
then it happened to me again in radio now. I
had a little severance there, so I had a couple
weeks or a couple months to figure it out. But
sometimes you just need to go to the drawing board
and for you, like if your job isn't even paying
(24:49):
the bills and you fucking hate it, I mean, you're
thirty two. I take it you don't have kids or anything.
I would recommend just quitting now figuring out what you
want to do, Like that's you got to figure that out.
But I do think if you despise your job and
it is not paying the bills, the amount of time
(25:10):
that you give into that job. Like, time's the most
valuable asset we all have. So if you are giving
let's just say, let's say it's a forty hour work week,
you're giving them forty hours that you could be allocating
to do other stuff. Try to figure out what you
want to do, start getting in front of other people,
emailing people, whatever. Just go all in for like a month,
(25:30):
Like that's a lot of time you're giving up for
something that you're still in the red on. So my
advice would be maybe over a month to keep doing
the job and really kind of map out a plan
of like some things and some career paths that you
would entertain doing or that might bring you some more joy.
I mean, there is a little like trial and error.
(25:51):
Good thing is you're young, Like you're thirty two years
old now for Lauderdale, I'm pretty sure it's a pretty
expensive place to live. So obviously, you know, I'm sure,
like you said, you want money, I think we all do.
I didn't start making any significant money until I was
thirty five years old. I mean I was basically a
month to month, paycheck to paycheck guy for well over
(26:13):
a decade after graduating college. So It's not like it's
much more important from my perspective to find out what
you like doing, because when you find out what you
like doing, you're more likely to be good at that
and spend more time and dedicate toward that. And with
that can't come money, not guaranteed, but it gives yourself
(26:37):
a better chance. Yeah, I would, at least for a
couple of weeks kind of map out a plan, might
have to be after work, and then potentially just say
I'm out. I mean, why do you want to do
something that you hate that you're going nowhere and it's
not paying you any money. So and I think part
(26:58):
of it and listen again, I've been fired twice. Contract
not renewed once, but other time definitely fired, escorted it
out of the building HR not because there was a scene,
It's just company protocol. It's the best thing that's ever
happened to me by far, because it puts the urgency.
Sometimes urgency is really healthy. I wouldn't trade those two
(27:21):
moments in my life for anything. Professionally, I've noticed a
lot of podcast channels such as Yours and No Laying
Up really push their YouTube channels and try to drive
traffic I assume that's because YouTube offers different revenue streams
in addition to the podcast. But what is the difference
or the benefit of YouTube versus the podcast that has
(27:43):
podcasts starting YouTube channels and pushing subscribers there. Well, there
are a couple elements one YouTube. It's not like Apple
pays right to host the podcast YouTube. Whatever any content
you throw up, if you get people to watch, they
there's a revenue split there. They're also unlike podcasts. Most
(28:05):
of you that I would imagine that listened to me
found me in some form of fashion through Colin Coward, Right,
maybe you found me through his distribution channel on his
Apple or Spotify. Maybe you've listened to me when I
go on with him. You know, however many thirty weeks
a year on Sundays, So you found me in that direction,
(28:28):
which is a powerful thing, right, someone to be discovered.
I would say the hardest thing in the content world
of podcasting would be the ability to get seen by others.
That there are I don't know the number, but I
would imagine a large or decent that there are people
out there, let's just say, who are excellent and entertaining
(28:50):
podcasts that I would love let's just use myself podcast
that I would one hundred percent listen to, maybe on sports,
maybe on finance, maybe on whatever. If you just say, hey,
listen to this, I'll be like, holy shit, this is great.
But I'll never find them because how are they ever
going to get in front of me as a consumer? Well, YouTube,
like originally Twitter, Instagram, there used to be this organic reach.
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I think TikTok definitely has that more now than those two,
and it's hard to get in front of other people.
Or YouTube has the algorithm and the ability to be
seen by a lot of people. So it's like if
I do a Sunday night podcast on Lions Vikings and
it's a huge show for the podcast. Let's say you
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know one hundred thousand people listen, Well, if another fifty
thousand people watch on YouTube, it's kind of important, so
you were getting fifty percent higher audience. Let's pick a
smaller number. Let's say you have a thousand people listening
to your podcast and then you know, you put it
on YouTube and five thousand people see, so you just
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five x the eyeballs and then it's all interconnected. YouTube
is extremely important to the landscape because that's where the
consumer is. I can speak for myself. I consume a
ton of YouTube. I told someone the other day, I'm like,
you know what, I don't really go on Twitter as
much anymore. I do work stuff on it sometimes during
the day when I'm looking for topics, but like my
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days of just scrolling I don't want to say are over,
but like I don't have it on my phone. I
have been on maybe for the last three days since Friday,
maybe twice. Like, I just don't go on it very much,
but I've gone on YouTube, whether it's on my phone
or at my desk, I don't know thirty times. I mean,
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I go on it a ton. So I think there's
just it's just a powerful distribution product which won't last forever.
But while it's going you're just crazy not to go
on it. I mean, that's where the consumer is reaching
out for the mailbag. I wanted to take congrats on
the wedding. I'm engaged as well and live and grew
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up in the Scottsdale area. I want to hear thoughts
on how to fix the Cardinals. They suck every year
and it seems like there's no hope for the foreseeable future. Yeah.
I mean, I don't know what to tell you. We
had a guy on the mail bag I think last
week hit me with an email that just crushed Bidwell's.
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They have more losses in the history of the NFL
for a reason. I mean, it's the Bidwell family. At
the end of the day, the Bidwell family. Their resume
speaks for itself. Now listen, you know they say the
first generation builds it, the second generation profits from it.
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That might have screwed up the second generation, but the
third one definitely ruins it. Pretty sure. Michael's a third one.
And I've always defended Mark Davis on this. He really tries,
and he spent huge money a couple of times and
it's blown up in his face. But he tries. He
gave a hundred million dollars to John Gruden because all
he ever wanted was John Gruden just to run everything
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and just be good. That blew up in his face.
He then goes hires Josh McDaniels, who again turns out
he's a scam artist. As a head coach, he turns
into like a different human being. But I totally understood
why he did it. A lot of teams would have
a lot of teams have tried to hire Josh Indy,
the Niners like he ain't alone and it blew up
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in his face. And then again he's like, hey, Tom,
can you just come in here and run it? Has
Michael bidd Will ever done anything like that too cheap.
So I just think the Cardinals, my buddies with Philly,
they really like Jonathan Gannon. I met him two years
ago at the combine. Seemed like a cool dude. I
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think his staff pretty impressive. The bald offensive coordinator, the
young defensive I think his name's Petsing, and Rawless is
the decoordinator. One of them's like thirty eight, the other
guy's like thirty three. I think they're impressive. I think
he's got like an impressive head coach coordinator. Three young
guys who are just good, who are like, I don't
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know if they're you know, Gannon is like a lifetime
head coach, but he's going to be an NFL coach
for a long time coordinator. The other two guys are
just clearly pretty intriguing coaching prospects. But it's hard to
overcome the owner. It really is, and it's kind of
a formula now that we've seen in pro sports, like
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you just don't overcome them when they're cheap. Congrats on
getting married. Question for the bag, how come you don't
think Caleb Williams played well last season? He threw for
thirty five hundred yards, twenty touchdowns and only six picks.
He by far, is the best rookie Bears quarterback that
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I've ever seen. And I'm in my late thirties. I
know that Jayden Daniels had a phenomenal rookie year, as
did Bo Nicks. Caleb still played great despite bad coaching.
When I say didn't play well in the first half
of games, when you guys had your ten game losing streak,
I don't have every you know notebook compiled of like
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a breakdown here. He was not good in a lot
of those games. And then you guys were constantly for
at least a month stretch. There was like a four
or five game stretch where you were down eighteen to nothing,
twenty to nothing, twenty five to nothing at half in
every game, so you were down three plus scores with
thirty minutes left in the game. If I'm on the
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other team and I'm kicking your ass, like I game
planned against you, and I dominated you, and he was
not good in those moments, as was the team. I'm
not just putting it on him, but he wasn't good.
And then he would throw touchdowns in the second half
of games and for the most part the game was
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never in question. So it was somewhat like those statutes
gave me were compiled in blowouts, a lot of them.
Nothing wrong with it. It's like that's what shitty teams do.
Right in the six interceptions, I guess big pictures like okay, cool,
like any guy pushing the envelope a little bit. Again,
talented player, but to judge anything off last season based
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on he's gonna be some I say the same thing
about Drake may I don't know Hope. So I'm rooting
for those two guys, but based on their rookie season,
beside physical characteristics, you would basically have to evaluate him
just like a draft prospect. See a lot of skills,
but just in terms of like can they play the
game in a tight game, game planned against a good
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team when your team's good. I don't know, time will tell.
I'm intrigued. I mean, it's two of the better stories
in the NFL in twenty twenty five. How good are
Kleb Williams and Drake May I put them both under
the same category. But you're just throwing out stats. He
played well, bullshit in big games. Big games would be strong.
You guys weren't playing in big games. But as the
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season went on, he just wasn't good in the first half.
Compile me those stats and give them to me. What
were his first half numbers compared to his second half numbers.
I'm a diehard Packer fan. This from Austin, and after
the twenty three to twenty four season, I was beyond
hopeful about the potential. Last year, while we made the playoffs,
it seemed as though the offense regressed while the defense
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was solid. Much different than the traditional Packer teams of
my lifetime. I agree the defense has always been the
weak point. Where do you see the team's trajectory in
the future. Jordan Love is very talented, but seems to
get in his own way at times. Would love to
get your insight if the Packers were a stock right now,
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obviously what they were going into last season. Let's just
pick a number. Let's say they were a fifty dollars
stock heading into twenty twenty four, where a year previously
there were probably ten. I would say the stock has
definitely dimmed. And let's just say got cut in half.
It's twenty five bucks. I guess ten to fifty would
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be like thirty I would buy. I think the Packers
are gonna be good. Now I'm bullish on Jordan Love,
but he's my type quarterback, very physically gifted. He has
moments where you're like, what is going on? I do
think when a younger player gets dinged up, it kind
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of threw off his whole season. And obviously you're wide receivers.
You guys had some injuries, but you're you have an
offensive coach who knows the Shanahan scheme and like you know,
he's molded into his own scheme, like that's his baby,
and he's proven like he's a good offensive coach. He's
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proven it. So it's like that side of the ball
I feel is gonna be okay. Honestly, his games last
year with Malik Willis were incredible. I think I put
like five hundred dollars against you guys. We guys play
the Titans, whoever you played Week two, I'm like Milik
will this is gonna be a disaster, and he had
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like his one of his great offensive game plans I've
ever seen with Malik Willis. But if your defense is good,
you guys are gonna be okay. I promise. I have
a lot of faith in the Packers. Organization speaks for itself.
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And again my faith is just maybe based on history,
based on liking the quarterback. But I think you guys
are gonna be okay. I find it surprising that Dolphins
have not touched the toua contract to free up more
cap space, and no free agent they has guaranteed money
next year? Do you think this is a sign of
a total collapse if things don't go right? And that
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if the right move for the franchise, considering they had
some sort of success recently, even if it's just a
wild card, I to me, you just got to ride
out to him. I don't think you convert signing bonus.
You just you just write it out and you paid
them last year. So this usually these contracts three years.
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It's just so you're year one of you got two more,
just kind of write it out. I don't think under
any circumstances you can mess with it. I just don't
think you can. I'm pulling up his contract right now,
so your potential out, yes is in two years you
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could cut them for god four million dead cab. I
still think that contract is pretty nuts, and we've seen
a lot of nutty things, but holy kenoi a big fan.
I believe that if Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts swap
teams in the twenty draft, Jalen would have led the
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Chargers to a playoff victory. By now, what do you think?
I believe there has been too many excuses made for Herbert,
and I think Jalen's ability to win in any circumstance
is underrated. Yeah. I mean there's no disputing Herbert's playoff game.
What was it against the Texans? Me as bad of
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a game as you'll see. I do believe this. I'm
not trying to hate on the guy because you play
like that in big moments. Jalen's a bright lights guy.
He's like Jimmy Butler. It's like you watch him some games,
You're like, what the hell's going on with Jimmy? Butler
was like, Oh, playoff, Jimmy, get ready for the playoffs.
That's where Jimmy comes. That's what everyone in Golden State's
holding out for. It's like he'll start dropping thirty five
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in playoff games. Maybe it will, maybe he won't, but
he's done it before, and it's like, even when he's coasting,
you just have faith and say what you want about
Jalen and some biggest games of his life. Fucking guys
come through and Herbert has not. I can't dispute you there.
But if I pulled thirty two teams in the NFL,
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Howie and Jeffrey would be loyal to him. Thirty one
teams not in the Eagles. I think every single one choose,
justin Herbert over Jalen Hurts, every single one question for
the bag with NIL, are top agents like Drew Rosenhouse
working to get in with college athletes. If not seems
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like a missed opportunity, I would imagine they are. I
mean Rosenhaus has a dual carter, so I mean I
think the top dogs get the top guys. NIL is
more of like, ah, I feel like more marketing guys.
But maybe maybe I'm wrong. From what I've heard, it's
a lot of parents the NIL is. It's not if
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you think Drew Rosenhaus beside Abdual Carter and the occasional
big guy is talking to like college gms about some
sophomore getting two hundred thousand dollars. I just doubt he is.
Now once you're abdual Carter. Where Rosenhouse really gets involved
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is when you're a clear big dog Jalen Carter, Abdual Carter,
you know, I mean, once you're going to be a
cash cow. A lot of guys making nil money are
not then going to become great players. We see it
all the time. Now, should Rosenhouse have jumped all over
I don't. I don't know who has cam Ward. I
don't think Drew does. If he does, it's a genius.
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I mean he's right in his backyard. But yeah, I
mean I don't know. I'd have to text people in
college to know exactly how that's going down. Do you
think the Raiders can ever get back to a point
where the home field is an advantage again? A couple
years ago, I went to a Vegas game in Vegas
for the first time, and it felt like seventy percent
Steeler fans. Pete Carroll talked about it in his first
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press conference about the fans needing to do their part
showing up, but it just doesn't seem realistic. Do you
think they have relocated to new cities? Do teams that
have relocated to new cities and had success, like the Rams,
still struggle with opposing fan attendance at home games? Does
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this improve over time or could Vegas just be a
unique situation. Well, the Rams do battle when the Niners
come there. Why because a large percentage of Niner fans
live in southern California, same with Raiders, and the Rams
weren't there for twenty five years. So I think there
are unique situations. I would say the Steelers are an
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outlier team. They travel, I would say them and the
Packers travel as well as anybody. I mean, I've seen
him against the Niners, I've seen him against the Eagles,
I've seen him against the Raiders, and it feels like
a Steelers home game when you see the Steelers, and
I would say somewhat similar for the Packers. Sometimes, I
would say the Vegas thing is a little bit of
an outlier situation because it's an easy trip. Three of
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your games every year, So whether you have eight games
or nine games, three of those eight or nine are
gonna be Denver, very close, Kansas City, extremely close Chargers
or I guess Denver's extremely close, Chargers extremely close Kansas
City not far away. Just did an excuse to go
to Vegas and enjoy now. Winning matters like the reason
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the Yankees are the biggest brand in baseball, even bigger
than the Dodgers. They've won like twenty eight World Series,
twenty seven World Series. They have been good for every generation. Cowboys.
I don't know how they're so big, but it goes
back to the seventies and the nineties. They just have
a huge fan base. The Lakers, Why are they the
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biggest NBA brand? They've won the most Raider fans And
I used to see this when I was in the
Bay Area, and you know, if you're a Berry guy,
there was always this tension between the Niners and the Raiders,
and it was like it felt like one was at
the top of the penthouse and the other was, you know,
I don't want to say the outhouse, but not viewed
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as an equal financially definitely, And there was like this
little brother syndrome. And I was like, yeah, the Niners
won five Super Bowls in fifteen years, like it kind
of mattered in the Bay Area when you guys were
not here. So it was like the reason they have
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way more fans in northern California in twenty twenty five
is because they won five Super Bowls, so they had
generations you guys were gone, and then over the last
fifteen years they've been to like four Super Bowls or
three Super Bowls and like six NFC champion games. The
business model of pro sports is not that complicated. Win
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and people will come. Will they say in building, people
will come. It's no different sports. Win and people will come.
The Warriors up until Steph Curry, my entire life beside
like a couple seasons here and there were a joke,
were the Sacramento Kings just in Oakland, and then Steph
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Curry came, Draymond Clay and then Kevin Durant, and they've
become one of the most valuable franchises in sports. In
a decade, well, they've won a bunch of championships. It's
just like, if you guys win, it'll You're never going
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to have the home field advantage of the Eagles or
the Packers. It's never gonna happen or the Chiefs or
the Broncos. But can it be better than it is now?
In twenty years If you win, the guy that's ten, twelve,
fifteen years old might start liking you and gravitate toward you.
And then when he's thirty or forty years old making
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money family, he gets season tickets. It's a big his
company buys a suite instead of just all the sweeth
holders are just the casinos who just no one even gets.
I can't tell you the people in my life that
are huge gamblers that have been offered tickets because that's
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what the casinos do. They take care of the people
that give them money. Most people I know that have
gone that aren't Raider fans have gone through like business
situations or just to check it out. So it takes time,
you know it does. I think you just gotta win.
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You just gotta win. It's really that simple. You just
gotta win. And the history of the Raiders, which is cool,
and it's like I've been a part of it in
a way, like the radio station we had was partners
with him, and I'm a Niner guy but got to
see it and I love football. So it's a powerful
feeling of like the just the Kenny Stablers, the Howie Longs,
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the Ray guy, it's just Al Davis, John Madden. I mean,
it's the history there, but it's twenty twenty five. None
of that shit matters today. It's like, can you win
nine games? That's the only thing that matters. What teams
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are you most excited to see draft this year? We
talk about the top five picks, but are there other
teams and positions you're stoked to see? I do wonder
if the Steelers or the Rams will take a quarterback
in the first round. Is there a chance that the
Rams take a quarterback? Or this the first couple rounds?
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Like a team that is a playoff team draft a
quarterback high Let's just assume Chador goes to the Giants
and obviously cam Ward goes to the Titans. Where do
the next couple quarterbacks come and go? I do think
eventually like the Chiefs are going to take quarterback, not
because they will replace Patrick Mahomes, but historically Andy who
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learned from the Packers, like you take quarterbacks all the time.
I can see them like in the third round, just
have a sweet backup quarterback. I guess they just signed
Minshew maybe they won't. Maybe that's just not gonna be
their busines anymore, but that was always the Eagles thing.
I think I saw Howie say something recently was like,
no team in the history of football has ever benefited
more from the backup quarterback than us. Obviously, he's got
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two Super Bowl rings with backup quarterbacks, Foles for Wentz
and then Jalen who was the backup takes over for Wentz,
kicks his ass out of town, and back in the
Andy days they won. You know, McNabb got hurt a
bunch of times, and they had backup quarterbacks come in
and when Michael Vick was a backup quarterback when he
had his breakout season in twenty ten, So you can't
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sleep on the backup quarterback. Do you think the Buccaneers
are underrated as a franchise? It seems every year the
media is picking the Saints or the Falcons to win
the division. Yet we've won the division four straight years,
and before that we won a Super Bowl as a
wild card. Personally, I think we're significantly better than those teams,
but maybe I'm just a homer. Curious your thoughts on
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the team as a whole as well, also true some
worst the best tackle in the NFL on the tackle thing.
I mean, when we're talking like the best of the best,
i'd have to text, like some pro personnel guys that great,
all these guys to go, who's the best tackle. I'd
imagine he'd be pretty high. I mean, be a short
list best left tackle in the NFL. You know, darrisov
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got hurt, Melatta would be up there, Trent Williams got hurt. Yeah,
I mean, he'd be near the top, if not the top.
Anytime you just go, we got one of the best
left tackles in the league. You're doing great shape. Yeah,
I mean, I think there's something about your division. It's
not viewed very highly, which hurts you. Like when you're
really good in the NFC East, you're just gonna get
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a lot of credit. When you're really good in certain divisions,
the AFC North, the NFC North, we just talk about
those divisions a lot. We just don't talk that much
about the AFC and NFC South. We honestly talk more
about college football than that. But there is no disputing
the Buccaneers Jason Light is easily one of the best
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gms in the league. Was like forty six a R
fifty three guys in the roster last year were drafted players.
Your quarterback was you originally got for a hundred five
million dollars on the roster and it's resurrected his career.
And if you watch Baker Talk, I don't know what
the podcast was. I think it was like some sort
of like Christian religious podcast he was on, or maybe
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he was just talking about his faith. But you listen
to Baker Talk, You're like, this guy's a different human,
this guy from the guy that was at Cleveland. You know,
kind of the cocky chip on his shoulder. He feels
like he is just in the zone of being a
high level cat now. And sometimes you know, he credited
to religion and finding God, his wife and his kid,
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and it just Baker's in a great spot. If I'm
a Bucks fan, I go, I like my chances with
that guy, So I yeah, I mean, I think you
guys are in a great spot. I think the only
big picture question is like Todd Bowles like as he's
super I like Todd and cool to me over the years.
But if you had a better coach in terms of
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the perception, Idy told you Mike Tomlin was your coach
or Lafour or you know, something like that. You'd be like,
the Bucks are a powerhouse, which is like one of
the best teams in the league. Instead, I think Todd
in a weird way, which is crazy because he's he's
one of the better defensive coaches in the league. Though
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your defense kind of suck last year, wasn't all his fault.
They got a bunch of injuries. My god, do we
love speed rightfully? So? Speed is valued very high in
the NFL, and as a fan, it's one of the
most special parts of the game. I just heard you
say fast guys usually run the forty because they're fast.
It's so true. Speed is so critical that if you
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have it, you want to show it off. Two questions,
top speed receiver from each decade in your opinion, decades
you've watched and speed receiver to maintain dominant speed status
the longest throughout their whole career. Given the importance of speed,
does the guy have an argument as the number one
wide receiver goat? I think I might talk about this week.
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I saw Daniel Jeremiah had a tweet the other day
about he's never seen this many players skip the forty.
It's one thing if you're injured. But like Ashton Gentz
just didn't run the forty countless other players don't run
the forty. Usually, if you ran at the combine and
you run a good time, like you don't have to
run the Proda, no big deal. Hell, you do the combine,
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you work out, you don't have to do anything at
the pro Day, or vice versa. You don't do anything
of the combine. You do everything at the Proda, No
big deal. Now guys just don't do anything ever. It's
kind of just crazy or just a new normal. But
I would say the fastest guy in the league over
the last decade has been Tyreek Hill easily. I don't
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think there's ever been a player as good as him.
You know, Randy Moss was huge, huge, would be strong,
but tall and long, so it's like his advantage, you know,
getting the ball. He was great at shooting his hands late,
but he was a tall player. Tyreek's tiny. He's built
like a little little tank, speeds elite. I feel like
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Tyreek in my life. I've said this before. You know,
i'd go Jerry Rice again, young, sentimental like I don't
think i've ever budgeting. It's like Michael Jordan, I'm never budgeting,
Jerry Rice and never budget I'd have no problem putting
Randy as like a one B. I think Tyreek is right,
like the number three best wide receiver I've ever seen.
When you factor in his physicality, I don't know if
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he's as good anymore, but like in the peak of
his powers, was an unstoppable force. Unstoppable force, so I'd
go in my life, I feel like Tyreek Hill. Randy Moss.
Tyreek ran a four two nine. Not bad, Randy Moss.
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I bet he ran a four three four might guess
did he go to the combine? He did? He ran
a four two five, So yeah, there's guys are best.
It's my thing with Genty and I like Genty, but
when I hear he's a home run hitter, Like well,
home run hitter, you go run a four to four
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to Oh everyone's like Jamior Gibbs a home run hitter.
Fuck yeah, I am four three five Randy Moss, Tyreek Hill.
They were having wet dreams the night before the forty.
It's like, wait till they see this four two five,
four two nine. It's like Jesus Dione you say he
could run a forty backwards like four nine. I don't
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know if that's true or not, but so fast you
kind of believed him. You're like, yeah, it might be
so so I'd say Randy Moss and Tyreek Hill are
just feels like in a category of their own, because
we've seen a lot of fast guys that you wouldn't
say are like great players. I mean Randy and Tyreek are.
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I mean, it's two of the better players in like
NFL history. In a weird way. I feel like Tyreek's
kind of underrated. I mean he's just a monster. I
mean his last year in Kansas City, he had one
hundred and eleven catches, nine touchdowns. The year they won
the Super Bowl looked like he was banged up. In
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twenty when there were no fans, he had eighty seven
catches fifteen tugs his first two years in Miami one
nineteen one, nineteen twenty touchdowns, seventeen hundred yards, eighteen hundred
yards averaging fifteen yards a catch. His third year in
case As was breakout year. Eighty seven catches, fifteen hundred yards,
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seventeen yards a catch. Pulled up some Randy stats. I
think My favorite Randy Moss stat was Marshall. His junior
year at Marshall nineteen ninety seven, played in thirteen games.
I guess his two seasons at Marshall seventy eight catches.
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This is his first year because he remember he got
booted out of Florida State or whatever. Seventy eight catches,
seventeen hundred yards, twenty eight touchdowns. Second year, ninety six catches,
eighteen hundred yards, twenty six touchdowns. In two seasons at Marshall,
he had fifty four receiving touchdowns. What a beast. Randy's
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highest Randy's rookie season, he averaged nineteen yards at catch,
sixty nine catches, seventeen touchdowns As a rookie, I don't
think anyone's ever hit the ground running quite like Randy.
Seventeen touchdowns, eleven touchdowns, fifteen touchdowns. So in his first
three seasons he had thirty forty forty three touchdowns. Now bad.
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I put those guys in a class by themselves. The
volume
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoff three Now Podcast. I was on the fence
when I woke up today. I'm like, am I gonna
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record anything today? Nothing really going on? And then I
watched Final Four. I was like, you know what, I'll
do a little mail bag touch on the Final four
and just college sports in general, bang out some of
your questions. So at John Middlecoff, is the Instagram firing
those dms like it's open real estate? Baby? Who else?
Small percentage of people are grinding on a Sunday in
the off season, I'll do something. So the game plan
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this week we will owners meeting, so I'm sure some
stories are gonna come flying out of there. We will
hit on definitely some of that stuff tomorrow. Scotti Scheffler
came storming back today, showed signs of life, so we
will hit on that as well on Go Low this week.
So look for that and then we'll have podcasts all
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mailback questions, the final four set in it is four
number one seats. And I was thinking today when I
was just sitting in the sauna getting a good soak,
getting all the toxins out of my body, that you know,
if you think about the college football final four was
Texas VRSUS, Ohio State and Penn State against Notre Dame.
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And listen, I got my start in this business, not
technically this business, but in the sports world at Fresno State,
a small school, a little underdog. We will play anybody, anytime, anywhere,
and a school that first had aspirations of making it
to a BCS game, and ultimately Boise State was able
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to do it. And people have followed since. You know,
other small school programs have I would say, made huge
impacts over the last fifteen ten years. Basketball. Obviously, we
have had a ton of Cinderella's make runs into the
Elite eight, and I would say, over the course of
my adult life, the last twenty years, a Ton making
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to the final four. I mean San Diego State made
a run VCU. I mean it's Butler with Brad Stevens.
Those days are over and like people are going to
complain about it, and we talked about it. I think
earlier last week about the transfer portal, I think ice
Cube had a line called big Bank Take little Bank
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that there's always been a huge advantage for Duke basketball,
Kentucky basketball, Alabama football, Michigan, Ohio State football, like they've
always had the advantage over VCU or Butler or Boise
Stated football, or San Diego State at Fresno State. The
only thing that's changed is now they don't even need
to hide the ability to brown bag the players because
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they give him a ten ninety nine which has several
zeros on it, and they can take your player whenever
they want. So listen, I'm not against the little guy.
I went to small schools like I went to Cal Pauly.
I didn't go to USC or Oregon. But when I
sit on my couch, even when I was at Cal Pauly.
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We watched Texas against USC Like I've always said, I
watched Pro Sports to watch Tiger Woods, Tom Brady, Steph Curry,
Like I'm not watching it to watch the overachieving, random
guy fun story every once in a while. But we
turn it on for Patrick Mahomes and the Watt brothers
and the Manning brothers like that. That's why we tune in.
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And let's face it, college basketball and college football has
kind of always been like that as well. The reason
the SEC is so dominant now was because of fifteen
years of Nick Saban. A rising tide lifts all boats,
created such a demand for the other programs to keep up. Economically,
the interest in the sport got so big, and the
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money they get from television is bigger than all the
other conferences, so they have more money to pay the
other coaches. And once you start paying the other coaches,
the expectations is to win. And now with nil it
has expanded and I think that we just need to
get used to. Obviously, in the NCAA tournament, there are
gonna be some random upsets. It's a one game scenario,
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so it's not like for the next ten years. Get
ready for like ninety percent of the time, it's going
to be four number one seats, or it's just going
to be Texas, Ohio State and Notre Dame every single year.
That's not going to be the case, but it's gonna
happen way more often than not. So if you're a
fan of the little guy, if you went to one
of those smaller schools, I hate to break it to you,
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you're fucked. It's even the slim, slim hope you ever had.
And I remember when I was when I was at
Fresno State, we were in the whack and we're like, God, if.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Boys could get just get their shot, give Boise their shot,
and then they would get in some of the BCS
games and they would like put them against TCU, who
at the time was also not in the Big twelve, right,
so like they were some power program.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It's like, why don't these schools ever get the shot
because they don't want them to get the shot. They
want a monopoly on the money. And now they got
a monopoly on the players because the the Ashton Genty
situation where he could have transferred. We don't know the
exact schools. I bet people in the NFL have been
told when they've interviewed them. You know, the schools that
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were offering you seven figures and he just took three
hundred thousand dollars to stay at Boise. Like that is
that's going to be an outlier. Example. Steph Curry's breakout
to the country happened when he was a sophomore in college.
He came back and played in another year at Davidson.
That player, obviously he was unique. His dad was an
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NBA player. But I'm just saying, the next Steph Curry,
the next job Morant, the next smaller school guy is
going to transfer, and that school is just kind of
screwed and they just become like a minor league feeder system.
I saw it when I lived in the Bay Area
with the Oakland A's, who are now the Sacramento A's,
who actually I think might be pretty good. They didn't
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spend any money, but they could pick out talent better
than any team probably in the league. And Billy Bean
has had like maybe not six, but like four or
five iterations of playoff teams with different core groups of
players over like twenty years, because every three or four
years he has to sell because those guys are getting
close to getting paid and he has to restart the cycle.
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But like they just acted as the feeder system for
the Yankees, for the Red Sox, for the Cardinals, for
the A's and for the Giants. It doesn't mean all
those players always worked out when they left, but for
the most part, like those teams circled the drain when
they realize like it's over for this group of guys,
and then they would have to sell. And that's kind
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of what the smaller basketball programs are. That's definitely what
these smaller football programs are. But it's not even just
the San Diego States and Boise States or VCUS and Butler's.
It's like the second and third tier programs in their
own conference. Like if you're Alabama or LSU or Georgia
and you play Mississippi State and you go, god, they
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got Darius Slay or Fletcher Cocks and it's pretty clear
like their second year, like this guy's it's gonna be
like a top fifty draft pick. This guy could be
a first rounder the latest day two you're recruiting them,
and right now there aren't really rules, and even when
those rules get instituted, like who's actually instituting the rules
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the NCAA, does anyone respect them anymore? Is anyone listening
to them? And I just think this situation really really
benefits the big dogs and the Obviously, if you have
a high level coach means you're paying him a lot
of money and a big collective, you're gonna have massive
advantages you've had him, and it's only going to grow
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and grow moving forward. And even when they set a
salary cap based on the television revenue, this is not
the pros where it's like Andy Reid and Clark Hunt
don't need to worry about like who Patrick Mahomes is
in business with off the field, right, He's just his agent.
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His marketing team will all State Oakley Like they'll just
handle all that. In college, Like the huge advantage is
going to be for Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Like we'll
give you, you know, whatever your salary cap number is.
I'm just gonna pick a random like we really want
you to play for Texas. Here's four hundred and fifty
thousand dollars, and we also can get double that number
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by getting you these three deals. And they're going to
try to like I think separate church and state where
it's like the programs no longer have to do with
nil bullshit, that that's gonna be a huge advantage for
the big boys. So listen, uh it just it is
what it is, and money always creeps in. We live
in America, and they've people have been clamoring for this.
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You know, the media has led this charge for a
long time and wherever it started to go where listen,
these guys deserve to be paid. It was always going
to benefit the big dogs in the big conferences, in
the big schools, and it's pretty evident that like that's
going to be the case. I think it was four ones,
three twos, and a three in the elite eight. I mean,
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look at who was in the college football playoffs. It's
gonna be the same group of we take twelve teams.
They basically automatically take a Boise State program so they
don't get sued. So there's basically eleven other slots. I
would say it's gonna be the same eighteen to twenty
teams for those eleven spots for the next five or
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six years. Occasionally we'll have a random Indiana. But Indiana
didn't come from like some rant. It came from. I
think most people will agree the second best football conference,
and you could argue this year was the best football conference.
But yeah, I feel for the little guy because they're done.
So okay, let's do some mail bad questions for the pod.
(11:39):
Listen to you, and it seems real hypocritical to say
the Patriots and Drake May are overhyped. Vrabel was dragging
the Titans and Ryan Tannehill to a one seed. He's
a good coach and his system works. Drake May's rookie
season stats are better than Josh Allen's rookie numbers, and
the team record is pretty comparable. Dick's contract is tenty
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six million dollars guaranteed is minimal, especially for someone you
hope is your wide receiver too. I think it's bs
to say very many people are talking about them as
a playoff team, but all the elements of the Chargers
to the five seed are present. If the Patriots draft well,
most people at best are thinking eight to nine wins
their ceiling this year, if I remember correct. I was
(12:22):
asked that question by someone telling me that they thought
they were overhyped, and my take was, I am pro
Vrabel and I'm with you. He's got a lot of
hardball parallels. But comparing Drake May going into his second
year to like Josh Allen, I mean, Josh Allen's is
the league MP and one of the best players, not
just in the league, but one of the most talented
players we've ever seen. And I mean has dominated the
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division since Brady left and it hasn't even been close.
I mean last year, what did they get a hat
and teacher game like December first, Like it's not even
it's not even a fair fight. They have become what
the Patriots were for twenty years in the AFC East.
It's there is no competition. But you compared him to
Harbaugh and Drake May, I think or Harbaugh and Justin Herbert.
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Justin Herbert as a rookie and again he had I'm
not comparing the cast of characters they each played with,
but I'm pretty sure, like she said, a rookie record,
I think he threw over thirty touchdowns, Drake May last
year was like fifteen and ten. I'm not anti Drake May.
I'm a huge fan. He's the type guy that I
love drafting in the top five in the draft. Swing
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for the fences, but there's no guarantee he's gonna be
Josh Allen even Justin Herbert is widely considered by people
in the NFL as a lock top five quarterback, so like,
and he was viewed that way pretty quickly. Drake may
a lot like Caleb. There's just a lot of I
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would say, hope rightfully, so big arm, a lot of talent.
Obviously Rake's bigger than Caleb, but that's what it is.
It's hope. You actually gotta do it. Ryan Tannehill had
been a long time starter in Miami before uh Vrabel
resurrected his career, so there was a lot of experience.
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And I'm pretty sure hadn't Tanny Hill, I think he
made the playoffs one year, might have tour his ACL
that year, and then I think Matt Moore ended up
starting in the playoffs. But I think some of your comparisons,
Rabel's a stut Stefan Diggs. Like, I'm sorry, the Stefan
Diggs thing is kind of crazy. He has a torn
ACL like he tore his ACL. Now, I don't blame
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the Patriots are desperate. They got to give their money
to somebody. Crafts have been so cheap they got to
meet the salary floor. But I don't know, man, I'm
not acting like they're gonna suck either, but the five seed,
I think that's kind of crazy. Are the Yankees already
cheating thirty two runs in two games? Moneyball? Nah? Money bats?
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I love the torpedo bat. This is just what baseball needs,
you know, people, it's funny. And now ESPN dropped Baseball.
Manfred and and ESPN were going back and forth. They've
talked a lot of shit back and forth, and everyone
acts like baseball is just some irrelevant sport. Yet you know,
the NBA Finals haven't sniffed what the World Series did
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last year in a long long time. I actually think
baseball is more popular than the perception of it now.
This is coming from a guy who doesn't watch much
baseball anymore until the playoffs, but I do think the
way it's discussed is different than its reality. And the
Yankees and the Dodgers are a really big deal, you know,
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And I mean a really big deal. And if Aaron
Judge got to use the torpedo bat to hit eighty
home runs, I'm an Aaron Judge guy Fresno, State from
from the Valley Cali. So I'm rooting for these Yankees
to just bomb it away with these torpedo bats. I
think I saw a headline that Brewers manager said nothing
will happen to them because it's the Yankees type story
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baseball needs, really and also being the Yankees is important.
The only two teams that would like if it was
just like the the White Sox using the torpedoes or
the uh I don't know, just some random team like
the Diamondbacks or the Rockies. I just don't think anyone
would care. But it's the Yankees and it's Aaron Judge
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hitting just bombs. I think he hit a home run
this morning. I saw when I was laying on the
couch watching a little television when I got up drinking
my coffee. You know, they played early in the morning,
and I think it's his fourth home run. He's on
pace for a lot. Hey, John, I'd like to hear
your perspective on your experience. Have you attended the NFL Draft.
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If so, what was it like. What are some must
do experiences for a first time attendee. Any tips for
getting the best fan experience. I've attended it one time,
and that was my first year. In Philly, but it
was at Radio City Music Hall, So you know, I
don't even think they have this anymore, but remember at
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Radio City for those of you old enough, I mean,
it's been a traveling circus. Now. I don't know, it
feels like a decade, maybe a little less eight years.
Every team had those tables with the helmet and then
you would write on the card and hand it to
the guy. So it's like, you know, you draft, Hey,
I'm drafting Shador Sanders and you write the name and
then you'd write New York Giants and the New York
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Giants team would hand it to the guy in the NFL.
I got to do that my first year. It was
pretty cool, and it was it was an elite draft.
It was Cam Newton's draft, JJ Watt, Julio AJ Green,
Alden Smith, Tyron Smith. I mean it was I remember
taking a leak and I had to go behind because
the bathroom you had to go to the front or
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kind of go to behind where the green room was.
So I was in the green room. I remember I
saw Cam walking around. I'm like, holy shit, this guy's huge,
and I think I peed next to it was either
AJ or Julio a long time ago, but that is
not the experience of what you guys do now, so
I can't give advice on what these are like. I
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don't know. Does feel kind of like a zoo with
everything going on? Though? For the mailbag, huge fan of
the program. A couple questions for you, big Lions fan,
diehard Lions fan. Is Jared got the guy that will
get it done? Do we go all in this year,
as in we get a big trade somewhere. It's just
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hard when we have so many contracts gonna be up
so soon. Hutchinson, Jmo Gibbs. I don't know if Jamo's
getting paid or do we keep drafting like we do.
That's a good question. I think, you know, if Aiden Hudson,
which I was watching, you know, I'm a sicko. I
watched probably an hour on YouTube the NFLPA golf tournament
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and the Lions had a team and Aiden Hudginson was
there and I was like, God, he looks pretty good.
Like it's you know, the legue. I don't think they
were lying when they said if they made the Super
Bowl he could have played. I guess it was just
a shattered leg. You had Sauce Gardner using the long putter.
I mean, you talk about that guy's a junkie. I was.
I was enthralled by the NFLPA golf tournament at at
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it was in Mexico. No brain er trip. If you're
in the league and you play golf, Wait, you just
get a free trip by the PA to Mexico. I
play golf a couple of days. I bring my girlfriend
or wife. Uh, it was it was a mix of you.
I mean, Felan was there. Felan was actually on Minnesota's
team with like Harrison Smith, Harrison Phillips, and Hockinson. They
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actually had a pretty good little squad. But the Lions.
I don't know why I got off on that tangent,
but oh yeah, you guys had a squad as well.
Hudginson was playing. To me, the trade always was gonna
be like could you get Miles Garrett, could you get
Max Crosby? Like it was worth doing something like that.
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That guy doesn't exist. You're not gonna do it, and
you just keep drafting. But it does get difficult to draft.
When you draft in the late twenties every year, you know,
it's much easier to get aiden Hutchinson. When you're drafted
in the top ten, top five two, it's much easier
to draft. When you can trade from six to twelve
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and get Jamier, Gibbs and Laporta, it does get more difficult.
You know. Listen, everyone shitted on Belichick, but when you
start rattling off Super Bowls, it's hard to draft. It's like,
why can't Andy Reid find a tackle? I don't know,
he drafts thirty one or thirty two every year. You
try to find Trent Williams a pick thirty one, godspeed.
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Speaker 1 (22:40):
Heard you on a recent podcast answering a mailback question
regarding career mentioning going door to door sometimes, and that
got me thinking, I'm currently a thirty two year old
and I live in South Florida, Fort Lauderdale, sneaky great place.
After finally having a wake up call in real I
need to figure out what I want out of life.
(23:02):
I'm currently trying to decide my next step. I'm in
a job I don't like at all and was denied
a promotion. Fuckers, But my experience beside a bachelor's in
business management is just dead end customer service jobs. I
currently have all the willpower and motivation to attack something
head on and start making some money, but I'm just
(23:25):
having trouble figuring out what I have bills to pay
and my current job doesn't pay enough, so I'm trying
to find a second job or a full time job
that pays more. Any advice, well, I can't relate to. Like.
The only thing I've ever done is what I wanted
to do, and that was from the jump. You know.
(23:46):
I kind of figured out in college, like I can't
just take random jobs. I'll hate them, I'll suck. I'm
not smart enough to kind of fake it. I had
to do. So I've never worked in something that I
didn't like. Now doesn't mean I liked it every day,
but I've always done things that I like, so I
can't relate to that part. But I can relate to
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the part of feeling lost. I mean, I've been fired
and didn't have a job after the Eagles in twenty thirteen,
and I was twenty nine years old, and I just
did a new nose, like I'm probably not going to
get another NFL job. I'm not going to move. I
didn't know that many people in the league. I'd only
worked at one spot. It was like, what am I
going to do? And I just went to coffee shops
(24:28):
and kind of figured it out. I didn't have any
money coming in, so I wasn't one of these fired coaches.
Like my contract ended and it was just over. And
then it happened to me again in radio now. I
had a little severance there, so I had a couple
weeks or a couple months to figure it out. But
sometimes you just need to go to the drawing board
and for you, like if your job isn't even paying
(24:49):
the bills and you fucking hate it, I mean, you're
thirty two. I take it you don't have kids or anything.
I would recommend just quitting now figuring out what you
want to do, Like that's you got to figure that out.
But I do think if you despise your job and
it is not paying the bills, the amount of time
(25:10):
that you give into that job. Like, time's the most
valuable asset we all have. So if you are giving
let's just say, let's say it's a forty hour work week,
you're giving them forty hours that you could be allocating
to do other stuff. Try to figure out what you
want to do, start getting in front of other people,
emailing people, whatever. Just go all in for like a month,
(25:30):
Like that's a lot of time you're giving up for
something that you're still in the red on. So my
advice would be maybe over a month to keep doing
the job and really kind of map out a plan
of like some things and some career paths that you
would entertain doing or that might bring you some more joy.
I mean, there is a little like trial and error.
(25:51):
Good thing is you're young, Like you're thirty two years
old now for Lauderdale, I'm pretty sure it's a pretty
expensive place to live. So obviously, you know, I'm sure,
like you said, you want money, I think we all do.
I didn't start making any significant money until I was
thirty five years old. I mean I was basically a
month to month, paycheck to paycheck guy for well over
(26:13):
a decade after graduating college. So It's not like it's
much more important from my perspective to find out what
you like doing, because when you find out what you
like doing, you're more likely to be good at that
and spend more time and dedicate toward that. And with
that can't come money, not guaranteed, but it gives yourself
(26:37):
a better chance. Yeah, I would, at least for a
couple of weeks kind of map out a plan, might
have to be after work, and then potentially just say
I'm out. I mean, why do you want to do
something that you hate that you're going nowhere and it's
not paying you any money. So and I think part
(26:58):
of it and listen again, I've been fired twice. Contract
not renewed once, but other time definitely fired, escorted it
out of the building HR not because there was a scene,
It's just company protocol. It's the best thing that's ever
happened to me by far, because it puts the urgency.
Sometimes urgency is really healthy. I wouldn't trade those two
(27:21):
moments in my life for anything. Professionally, I've noticed a
lot of podcast channels such as Yours and No Laying
Up really push their YouTube channels and try to drive
traffic I assume that's because YouTube offers different revenue streams
in addition to the podcast. But what is the difference
or the benefit of YouTube versus the podcast that has
(27:43):
podcasts starting YouTube channels and pushing subscribers there. Well, there
are a couple elements one YouTube. It's not like Apple
pays right to host the podcast YouTube. Whatever any content
you throw up, if you get people to watch, they
there's a revenue split there. They're also unlike podcasts. Most
(28:05):
of you that I would imagine that listened to me
found me in some form of fashion through Colin Coward, Right,
maybe you found me through his distribution channel on his
Apple or Spotify. Maybe you've listened to me when I
go on with him. You know, however many thirty weeks
a year on Sundays, So you found me in that direction,
(28:28):
which is a powerful thing, right, someone to be discovered.
I would say the hardest thing in the content world
of podcasting would be the ability to get seen by others.
That there are I don't know the number, but I
would imagine a large or decent that there are people
out there, let's just say, who are excellent and entertaining
(28:50):
podcasts that I would love let's just use myself podcast
that I would one hundred percent listen to, maybe on sports,
maybe on finance, maybe on whatever. If you just say, hey,
listen to this, I'll be like, holy shit, this is great.
But I'll never find them because how are they ever
going to get in front of me as a consumer? Well, YouTube,
like originally Twitter, Instagram, there used to be this organic reach.
(29:15):
I think TikTok definitely has that more now than those two,
and it's hard to get in front of other people.
Or YouTube has the algorithm and the ability to be
seen by a lot of people. So it's like if
I do a Sunday night podcast on Lions Vikings and
it's a huge show for the podcast. Let's say you
(29:37):
know one hundred thousand people listen, Well, if another fifty
thousand people watch on YouTube, it's kind of important, so
you were getting fifty percent higher audience. Let's pick a
smaller number. Let's say you have a thousand people listening
to your podcast and then you know, you put it
on YouTube and five thousand people see, so you just
(29:59):
five x the eyeballs and then it's all interconnected. YouTube
is extremely important to the landscape because that's where the
consumer is. I can speak for myself. I consume a
ton of YouTube. I told someone the other day, I'm like,
you know what, I don't really go on Twitter as
much anymore. I do work stuff on it sometimes during
the day when I'm looking for topics, but like my
(30:21):
days of just scrolling I don't want to say are over,
but like I don't have it on my phone. I
have been on maybe for the last three days since Friday,
maybe twice. Like, I just don't go on it very much,
but I've gone on YouTube, whether it's on my phone
or at my desk, I don't know thirty times. I mean,
(30:44):
I go on it a ton. So I think there's
just it's just a powerful distribution product which won't last forever.
But while it's going you're just crazy not to go
on it. I mean, that's where the consumer is reaching
out for the mailbag. I wanted to take congrats on
the wedding. I'm engaged as well and live and grew
(31:07):
up in the Scottsdale area. I want to hear thoughts
on how to fix the Cardinals. They suck every year
and it seems like there's no hope for the foreseeable future. Yeah.
I mean, I don't know what to tell you. We
had a guy on the mail bag I think last
week hit me with an email that just crushed Bidwell's.
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They have more losses in the history of the NFL
for a reason. I mean, it's the Bidwell family. At
the end of the day, the Bidwell family. Their resume
speaks for itself. Now listen, you know they say the
first generation builds it, the second generation profits from it.
(31:50):
That might have screwed up the second generation, but the
third one definitely ruins it. Pretty sure. Michael's a third one.
And I've always defended Mark Davis on this. He really tries,
and he spent huge money a couple of times and
it's blown up in his face. But he tries. He
gave a hundred million dollars to John Gruden because all
he ever wanted was John Gruden just to run everything
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and just be good. That blew up in his face.
He then goes hires Josh McDaniels, who again turns out
he's a scam artist. As a head coach, he turns
into like a different human being. But I totally understood
why he did it. A lot of teams would have
a lot of teams have tried to hire Josh Indy,
the Niners like he ain't alone and it blew up
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in his face. And then again he's like, hey, Tom,
can you just come in here and run it? Has
Michael bidd Will ever done anything like that too cheap.
So I just think the Cardinals, my buddies with Philly,
they really like Jonathan Gannon. I met him two years
ago at the combine. Seemed like a cool dude. I
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think his staff pretty impressive. The bald offensive coordinator, the
young defensive I think his name's Petsing, and Rawless is
the decoordinator. One of them's like thirty eight, the other
guy's like thirty three. I think they're impressive. I think
he's got like an impressive head coach coordinator. Three young
guys who are just good, who are like, I don't
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know if they're you know, Gannon is like a lifetime
head coach, but he's going to be an NFL coach
for a long time coordinator. The other two guys are
just clearly pretty intriguing coaching prospects. But it's hard to
overcome the owner. It really is, and it's kind of
a formula now that we've seen in pro sports, like
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you just don't overcome them when they're cheap. Congrats on
getting married. Question for the bag, how come you don't
think Caleb Williams played well last season? He threw for
thirty five hundred yards, twenty touchdowns and only six picks.
He by far, is the best rookie Bears quarterback that
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I've ever seen. And I'm in my late thirties. I
know that Jayden Daniels had a phenomenal rookie year, as
did Bo Nicks. Caleb still played great despite bad coaching.
When I say didn't play well in the first half
of games, when you guys had your ten game losing streak,
I don't have every you know notebook compiled of like
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a breakdown here. He was not good in a lot
of those games. And then you guys were constantly for
at least a month stretch. There was like a four
or five game stretch where you were down eighteen to nothing,
twenty to nothing, twenty five to nothing at half in
every game, so you were down three plus scores with
thirty minutes left in the game. If I'm on the
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other team and I'm kicking your ass, like I game
planned against you, and I dominated you, and he was
not good in those moments, as was the team. I'm
not just putting it on him, but he wasn't good.
And then he would throw touchdowns in the second half
of games and for the most part the game was
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never in question. So it was somewhat like those statutes
gave me were compiled in blowouts, a lot of them.
Nothing wrong with it. It's like that's what shitty teams do.
Right in the six interceptions, I guess big pictures like okay, cool,
like any guy pushing the envelope a little bit. Again,
talented player, but to judge anything off last season based
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on he's gonna be some I say the same thing
about Drake may I don't know Hope. So I'm rooting
for those two guys, but based on their rookie season,
beside physical characteristics, you would basically have to evaluate him
just like a draft prospect. See a lot of skills,
but just in terms of like can they play the
game in a tight game, game planned against a good
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team when your team's good. I don't know, time will tell.
I'm intrigued. I mean, it's two of the better stories
in the NFL in twenty twenty five. How good are
Kleb Williams and Drake May I put them both under
the same category. But you're just throwing out stats. He
played well, bullshit in big games. Big games would be strong.
You guys weren't playing in big games. But as the
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season went on, he just wasn't good in the first half.
Compile me those stats and give them to me. What
were his first half numbers compared to his second half numbers.
I'm a diehard Packer fan. This from Austin, and after
the twenty three to twenty four season, I was beyond
hopeful about the potential. Last year, while we made the playoffs,
it seemed as though the offense regressed while the defense
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was solid. Much different than the traditional Packer teams of
my lifetime. I agree the defense has always been the
weak point. Where do you see the team's trajectory in
the future. Jordan Love is very talented, but seems to
get in his own way at times. Would love to
get your insight if the Packers were a stock right now,
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obviously what they were going into last season. Let's just
pick a number. Let's say they were a fifty dollars
stock heading into twenty twenty four, where a year previously
there were probably ten. I would say the stock has
definitely dimmed. And let's just say got cut in half.
It's twenty five bucks. I guess ten to fifty would
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be like thirty I would buy. I think the Packers
are gonna be good. Now I'm bullish on Jordan Love,
but he's my type quarterback, very physically gifted. He has
moments where you're like, what is going on? I do
think when a younger player gets dinged up, it kind
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of threw off his whole season. And obviously you're wide receivers.
You guys had some injuries, but you're you have an
offensive coach who knows the Shanahan scheme and like you know,
he's molded into his own scheme, like that's his baby,
and he's proven like he's a good offensive coach. He's
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proven it. So it's like that side of the ball
I feel is gonna be okay. Honestly, his games last
year with Malik Willis were incredible. I think I put
like five hundred dollars against you guys. We guys play
the Titans, whoever you played Week two, I'm like Milik
will this is gonna be a disaster, and he had
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like his one of his great offensive game plans I've
ever seen with Malik Willis. But if your defense is good,
you guys are gonna be okay. I promise. I have
a lot of faith in the Packers. Organization speaks for itself.
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And again my faith is just maybe based on history,
based on liking the quarterback. But I think you guys
are gonna be okay. I find it surprising that Dolphins
have not touched the toua contract to free up more
cap space, and no free agent they has guaranteed money
next year? Do you think this is a sign of
a total collapse if things don't go right? And that
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if the right move for the franchise, considering they had
some sort of success recently, even if it's just a
wild card, I to me, you just got to ride
out to him. I don't think you convert signing bonus.
You just you just write it out and you paid
them last year. So this usually these contracts three years.
(39:29):
It's just so you're year one of you got two more,
just kind of write it out. I don't think under
any circumstances you can mess with it. I just don't
think you can. I'm pulling up his contract right now,
so your potential out, yes is in two years you
(39:56):
could cut them for god four million dead cab. I
still think that contract is pretty nuts, and we've seen
a lot of nutty things, but holy kenoi a big fan.
I believe that if Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts swap
teams in the twenty draft, Jalen would have led the
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Chargers to a playoff victory. By now, what do you think?
I believe there has been too many excuses made for Herbert,
and I think Jalen's ability to win in any circumstance
is underrated. Yeah. I mean there's no disputing Herbert's playoff game.
What was it against the Texans? Me as bad of
(40:44):
a game as you'll see. I do believe this. I'm
not trying to hate on the guy because you play
like that in big moments. Jalen's a bright lights guy.
He's like Jimmy Butler. It's like you watch him some games,
You're like, what the hell's going on with Jimmy? Butler
was like, Oh, playoff, Jimmy, get ready for the playoffs.
That's where Jimmy comes. That's what everyone in Golden State's
holding out for. It's like he'll start dropping thirty five
(41:06):
in playoff games. Maybe it will, maybe he won't, but
he's done it before, and it's like, even when he's coasting,
you just have faith and say what you want about
Jalen and some biggest games of his life. Fucking guys
come through and Herbert has not. I can't dispute you there.
But if I pulled thirty two teams in the NFL,
(41:28):
Howie and Jeffrey would be loyal to him. Thirty one
teams not in the Eagles. I think every single one choose,
justin Herbert over Jalen Hurts, every single one question for
the bag with NIL, are top agents like Drew Rosenhouse
working to get in with college athletes. If not seems
(41:49):
like a missed opportunity, I would imagine they are. I
mean Rosenhaus has a dual carter, so I mean I
think the top dogs get the top guys. NIL is
more of like, ah, I feel like more marketing guys.
But maybe maybe I'm wrong. From what I've heard, it's
a lot of parents the NIL is. It's not if
(42:13):
you think Drew Rosenhaus beside Abdual Carter and the occasional
big guy is talking to like college gms about some
sophomore getting two hundred thousand dollars. I just doubt he is.
Now once you're abdual Carter. Where Rosenhouse really gets involved
(42:35):
is when you're a clear big dog Jalen Carter, Abdual Carter,
you know, I mean, once you're going to be a
cash cow. A lot of guys making nil money are
not then going to become great players. We see it
all the time. Now, should Rosenhouse have jumped all over
I don't. I don't know who has cam Ward. I
don't think Drew does. If he does, it's a genius.
(42:56):
I mean he's right in his backyard. But yeah, I
mean I don't know. I'd have to text people in
college to know exactly how that's going down. Do you
think the Raiders can ever get back to a point
where the home field is an advantage again? A couple
years ago, I went to a Vegas game in Vegas
for the first time, and it felt like seventy percent
Steeler fans. Pete Carroll talked about it in his first
(43:19):
press conference about the fans needing to do their part
showing up, but it just doesn't seem realistic. Do you
think they have relocated to new cities? Do teams that
have relocated to new cities and had success, like the Rams,
still struggle with opposing fan attendance at home games? Does
(43:39):
this improve over time or could Vegas just be a
unique situation. Well, the Rams do battle when the Niners
come there. Why because a large percentage of Niner fans
live in southern California, same with Raiders, and the Rams
weren't there for twenty five years. So I think there
are unique situations. I would say the Steelers are an
(44:03):
outlier team. They travel, I would say them and the
Packers travel as well as anybody. I mean, I've seen
him against the Niners, I've seen him against the Eagles,
I've seen him against the Raiders, and it feels like
a Steelers home game when you see the Steelers, and
I would say somewhat similar for the Packers. Sometimes, I
would say the Vegas thing is a little bit of
an outlier situation because it's an easy trip. Three of
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your games every year, So whether you have eight games
or nine games, three of those eight or nine are
gonna be Denver, very close, Kansas City, extremely close Chargers
or I guess Denver's extremely close, Chargers extremely close Kansas
City not far away. Just did an excuse to go
to Vegas and enjoy now. Winning matters like the reason
(44:49):
the Yankees are the biggest brand in baseball, even bigger
than the Dodgers. They've won like twenty eight World Series,
twenty seven World Series. They have been good for every generation. Cowboys.
I don't know how they're so big, but it goes
back to the seventies and the nineties. They just have
a huge fan base. The Lakers, Why are they the
(45:10):
biggest NBA brand? They've won the most Raider fans And
I used to see this when I was in the
Bay Area, and you know, if you're a Berry guy,
there was always this tension between the Niners and the Raiders,
and it was like it felt like one was at
the top of the penthouse and the other was, you know,
I don't want to say the outhouse, but not viewed
(45:32):
as an equal financially definitely, And there was like this
little brother syndrome. And I was like, yeah, the Niners
won five Super Bowls in fifteen years, like it kind
of mattered in the Bay Area when you guys were
not here. So it was like the reason they have
(45:55):
way more fans in northern California in twenty twenty five
is because they won five Super Bowls, so they had
generations you guys were gone, and then over the last
fifteen years they've been to like four Super Bowls or
three Super Bowls and like six NFC champion games. The
business model of pro sports is not that complicated. Win
(46:18):
and people will come. Will they say in building, people
will come. It's no different sports. Win and people will come.
The Warriors up until Steph Curry, my entire life beside
like a couple seasons here and there were a joke,
were the Sacramento Kings just in Oakland, and then Steph
(46:43):
Curry came, Draymond Clay and then Kevin Durant, and they've
become one of the most valuable franchises in sports. In
a decade, well, they've won a bunch of championships. It's
just like, if you guys win, it'll You're never going
(47:03):
to have the home field advantage of the Eagles or
the Packers. It's never gonna happen or the Chiefs or
the Broncos. But can it be better than it is now?
In twenty years If you win, the guy that's ten, twelve,
fifteen years old might start liking you and gravitate toward you.
And then when he's thirty or forty years old making
(47:25):
money family, he gets season tickets. It's a big his
company buys a suite instead of just all the sweeth
holders are just the casinos who just no one even gets.
I can't tell you the people in my life that
are huge gamblers that have been offered tickets because that's
(47:47):
what the casinos do. They take care of the people
that give them money. Most people I know that have
gone that aren't Raider fans have gone through like business
situations or just to check it out. So it takes time,
you know it does. I think you just gotta win.
(48:10):
You just gotta win. It's really that simple. You just
gotta win. And the history of the Raiders, which is cool,
and it's like I've been a part of it in
a way, like the radio station we had was partners
with him, and I'm a Niner guy but got to
see it and I love football. So it's a powerful
feeling of like the just the Kenny Stablers, the Howie Longs,
(48:36):
the Ray guy, it's just Al Davis, John Madden. I mean,
it's the history there, but it's twenty twenty five. None
of that shit matters today. It's like, can you win
nine games? That's the only thing that matters. What teams
(49:02):
are you most excited to see draft this year? We
talk about the top five picks, but are there other
teams and positions you're stoked to see? I do wonder
if the Steelers or the Rams will take a quarterback
in the first round. Is there a chance that the
Rams take a quarterback? Or this the first couple rounds?
(49:25):
Like a team that is a playoff team draft a
quarterback high Let's just assume Chador goes to the Giants
and obviously cam Ward goes to the Titans. Where do
the next couple quarterbacks come and go? I do think
eventually like the Chiefs are going to take quarterback, not
because they will replace Patrick Mahomes, but historically Andy who
(49:49):
learned from the Packers, like you take quarterbacks all the time.
I can see them like in the third round, just
have a sweet backup quarterback. I guess they just signed
Minshew maybe they won't. Maybe that's just not gonna be
their busines anymore, but that was always the Eagles thing.
I think I saw Howie say something recently was like,
no team in the history of football has ever benefited
more from the backup quarterback than us. Obviously, he's got
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two Super Bowl rings with backup quarterbacks, Foles for Wentz
and then Jalen who was the backup takes over for Wentz,
kicks his ass out of town, and back in the
Andy days they won. You know, McNabb got hurt a
bunch of times, and they had backup quarterbacks come in
and when Michael Vick was a backup quarterback when he
had his breakout season in twenty ten, So you can't
(50:35):
sleep on the backup quarterback. Do you think the Buccaneers
are underrated as a franchise? It seems every year the
media is picking the Saints or the Falcons to win
the division. Yet we've won the division four straight years,
and before that we won a Super Bowl as a
wild card. Personally, I think we're significantly better than those teams,
but maybe I'm just a homer. Curious your thoughts on
(50:56):
the team as a whole as well, also true some
worst the best tackle in the NFL on the tackle thing.
I mean, when we're talking like the best of the best,
i'd have to text, like some pro personnel guys that great,
all these guys to go, who's the best tackle. I'd
imagine he'd be pretty high. I mean, be a short
list best left tackle in the NFL. You know, darrisov
(51:19):
got hurt, Melatta would be up there, Trent Williams got hurt. Yeah,
I mean, he'd be near the top, if not the top.
Anytime you just go, we got one of the best
left tackles in the league. You're doing great shape. Yeah,
I mean, I think there's something about your division. It's
not viewed very highly, which hurts you. Like when you're
really good in the NFC East, you're just gonna get
(51:41):
a lot of credit. When you're really good in certain divisions,
the AFC North, the NFC North, we just talk about
those divisions a lot. We just don't talk that much
about the AFC and NFC South. We honestly talk more
about college football than that. But there is no disputing
the Buccaneers Jason Light is easily one of the best
(52:03):
gms in the league. Was like forty six a R
fifty three guys in the roster last year were drafted players.
Your quarterback was you originally got for a hundred five
million dollars on the roster and it's resurrected his career.
And if you watch Baker Talk, I don't know what
the podcast was. I think it was like some sort
of like Christian religious podcast he was on, or maybe
(52:24):
he was just talking about his faith. But you listen
to Baker Talk, You're like, this guy's a different human,
this guy from the guy that was at Cleveland. You know,
kind of the cocky chip on his shoulder. He feels
like he is just in the zone of being a
high level cat now. And sometimes you know, he credited
to religion and finding God, his wife and his kid,
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and it just Baker's in a great spot. If I'm
a Bucks fan, I go, I like my chances with
that guy, So I yeah, I mean, I think you
guys are in a great spot. I think the only
big picture question is like Todd Bowles like as he's
super I like Todd and cool to me over the years.
But if you had a better coach in terms of
(53:06):
the perception, Idy told you Mike Tomlin was your coach
or Lafour or you know, something like that. You'd be like,
the Bucks are a powerhouse, which is like one of
the best teams in the league. Instead, I think Todd
in a weird way, which is crazy because he's he's
one of the better defensive coaches in the league. Though
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your defense kind of suck last year, wasn't all his fault.
They got a bunch of injuries. My god, do we
love speed rightfully? So? Speed is valued very high in
the NFL, and as a fan, it's one of the
most special parts of the game. I just heard you
say fast guys usually run the forty because they're fast.
It's so true. Speed is so critical that if you
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have it, you want to show it off. Two questions,
top speed receiver from each decade in your opinion, decades
you've watched and speed receiver to maintain dominant speed status
the longest throughout their whole career. Given the importance of speed,
does the guy have an argument as the number one
wide receiver goat? I think I might talk about this week.
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I saw Daniel Jeremiah had a tweet the other day
about he's never seen this many players skip the forty.
It's one thing if you're injured. But like Ashton Gentz
just didn't run the forty countless other players don't run
the forty. Usually, if you ran at the combine and
you run a good time, like you don't have to
run the Proda, no big deal. Hell, you do the combine,
(54:29):
you work out, you don't have to do anything at
the pro Day, or vice versa. You don't do anything
of the combine. You do everything at the Proda, No
big deal. Now guys just don't do anything ever. It's
kind of just crazy or just a new normal. But
I would say the fastest guy in the league over
the last decade has been Tyreek Hill easily. I don't
(54:50):
think there's ever been a player as good as him.
You know, Randy Moss was huge, huge, would be strong,
but tall and long, so it's like his advantage, you know,
getting the ball. He was great at shooting his hands late,
but he was a tall player. Tyreek's tiny. He's built
like a little little tank, speeds elite. I feel like
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Tyreek in my life. I've said this before. You know,
i'd go Jerry Rice again, young, sentimental like I don't
think i've ever budgeting. It's like Michael Jordan, I'm never budgeting,
Jerry Rice and never budget I'd have no problem putting
Randy as like a one B. I think Tyreek is right,
like the number three best wide receiver I've ever seen.
When you factor in his physicality, I don't know if
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he's as good anymore, but like in the peak of
his powers, was an unstoppable force. Unstoppable force, so I'd
go in my life, I feel like Tyreek Hill. Randy Moss.
Tyreek ran a four two nine. Not bad, Randy Moss.
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I bet he ran a four three four might guess
did he go to the combine? He did? He ran
a four two five, So yeah, there's guys are best.
It's my thing with Genty and I like Genty, but
when I hear he's a home run hitter, Like well,
home run hitter, you go run a four to four
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to Oh everyone's like Jamior Gibbs a home run hitter.
Fuck yeah, I am four three five Randy Moss, Tyreek Hill.
They were having wet dreams the night before the forty.
It's like, wait till they see this four two five,
four two nine. It's like Jesus Dione you say he
could run a forty backwards like four nine. I don't
(56:41):
know if that's true or not, but so fast you
kind of believed him. You're like, yeah, it might be
so so I'd say Randy Moss and Tyreek Hill are
just feels like in a category of their own, because
we've seen a lot of fast guys that you wouldn't
say are like great players. I mean Randy and Tyreek are.
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I mean, it's two of the better players in like
NFL history. In a weird way. I feel like Tyreek's
kind of underrated. I mean he's just a monster. I
mean his last year in Kansas City, he had one
hundred and eleven catches, nine touchdowns. The year they won
the Super Bowl looked like he was banged up. In
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twenty when there were no fans, he had eighty seven
catches fifteen tugs his first two years in Miami one
nineteen one, nineteen twenty touchdowns, seventeen hundred yards, eighteen hundred
yards averaging fifteen yards a catch. His third year in
case As was breakout year. Eighty seven catches, fifteen hundred yards,
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seventeen yards a catch. Pulled up some Randy stats. I
think My favorite Randy Moss stat was Marshall. His junior
year at Marshall nineteen ninety seven, played in thirteen games.
I guess his two seasons at Marshall seventy eight catches.
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This is his first year because he remember he got
booted out of Florida State or whatever. Seventy eight catches,
seventeen hundred yards, twenty eight touchdowns. Second year, ninety six catches,
eighteen hundred yards, twenty six touchdowns. In two seasons at Marshall,
he had fifty four receiving touchdowns. What a beast. Randy's
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highest Randy's rookie season, he averaged nineteen yards at catch,
sixty nine catches, seventeen touchdowns As a rookie, I don't
think anyone's ever hit the ground running quite like Randy.
Seventeen touchdowns, eleven touchdowns, fifteen touchdowns. So in his first
three seasons he had thirty forty forty three touchdowns. Now bad.
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I put those guys in a class by themselves. The
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