April 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Joel Klatt stops by The Herd to talk about the top prospects going into the NFL draft, Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
So the story that will develop over the next couple
of weeks is going to be we know who's going
number one of the draft, and we know it's not
a great draft. The Shador Sanders things. One of the
only mysteries I do think the Jets are going to
trade down if they have the opportunity. Just feels like
Aaron Glenn's gonna want his guys in. I was told
from a source I implicitly absolutely trust that one of
the reasons they didn't bring Aaron Rodgers back. They didn't
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want Aaron the quarterback, and they didn't want Aaron the guy.
They wanted a new culture. They wanted to get younger
that at less expensive and opportunities to go buy some help,
some veteran strong culture guys in help. So I could
see the that's trading down and getting more picks a lot.
I think a lot of teams want to trade down.
Outside of Tennessee. I think a lot want to trade down,
and there's not a lot of takers. So here was
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schaanor Sanders is one of the mysteries. Albert Breer earlier
today on what he's hearing about his draft status.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I would say, I've Dull Carter at two to Cleveland,
Travis Hunter at three to the Giants. I think the
Giants have protected themselves so they don't have to force
anything at quarterback. And I do think, you know, like
the idea of taking Travis Hunter and then maybe a
day two.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Quarterback where you're not tied to that guy for.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
The next ten years, but you get it, you're taking
a shot at it.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Might work better for them.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
My guess right now would be that neither of them
takes Chador and then it becomes anywhere as guess where
Sador goes, because like I said to you last week,
like he's sort of like Bonnicks to me, like this,
like this this year's version of bon Knicks where last
year or very few teams that had Bonnicks as a
first round pick. He had to find a fit and
he obviously found that in Denver and no one cares
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or anybody had him any more because he played great
for the Bronx. I think that's Shadoor this year, where
a lot of teams don't look him in as the
first round talent and he's going to have to find
a fit.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
It's interesting, Joel Klatt.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
He played He played football at Colorado as well.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
It is interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Here's the argument for those that say Shador is dropping.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
I could argue this, listen, not.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
A special athlete, been a couple of moments of immaturity.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
We don't love, not the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
But he's probably closer to Jackson dartas a talent than
cam Ward. So what's the point we'll wait to the
second round? Is that a legit argument from what you've seen?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (02:40):
I mean I I think Shadour is an incredible player.
I think he is and should be a top five
or six pick in the draft. I think what people
fail to realize is that he was doing at the
college level what he's going to be asked to do
at the at the NFL level. Not only ismatically, but
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also think about this colin. How many times do we
evaluate quarterbacks that are playing with far superior teammates than
their opposition all the time. That's all we do, is evaluates.
Part of the reason why it's so difficult to evaluate
college quarterbacks is because generally speaking, they're playing on really
good teams and their teammates are far better than the opposition.
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That's not necessarily the case with Shudor. He's playing behind
a really bad offensive line, and he took a team
that was going from one win and then ultimately wound
up in the top twenty five and won nine games.
Why because of him? So he had to raise the
level of everybody around him. He did it without a
running game, he did it without an offensive line.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
He's hyper accurate.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
When he's on time in the pocket, he can create
kind of from a magical standpoint and keep the play alive.
Similar to fran Tarkington, I hear this narrative, and unfortunately,
this is where we're at today, and kind of the
coverage of the NFL draft is that the draft media
or certain individuals within the league who are never going
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to draft this player to begin with, start perpetuating these
myths and these untruths about players stemming out of the combine.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
We didn't like this guy.
Speaker 7 (04:15):
This guy is falling, And to be honest with you,
I think that this type of storyline is lazy and
it's rent and repeat.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Every year.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
You take the guy that is the most controversial in
the draft, and then we end up having to talk
about this exact subject because of lazy journalism and a
big mouth scout. That's what happens every single year. But
when you actually watch Shador, guy is excellent man. He's
got surgical capability, he's on time, he's accurate, he's smart,
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and he led a program from one win to nine,
which is exactly what he's going to be asked to
do in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
All right, cam Ward, I mean cam Ward looks like
a number one pick in terms of move arm. Anything
that worries about him that he's a little off script.
A lot of guys are early in there. Jayden Daniels
was a lot of off script that worked. My take
is nobody's gonna know what he is until Thanksgiving, so
there's the element of the surprise and a weak division.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
I think he's actually going to play pretty well.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
You know.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
I think cam Ward is a really talented guy. There
is a little element. Colin, I think you would agree
with me, and we've talked about this a little bit.
There's a little element of gunslinger to him. You know,
he'll take some chances with the football down the field,
but that's part of what makes him special, you know,
and he believes and he trusts himself and his arm strength.
I've loved him for a long time. And by the
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way he played back in his days at Washington State,
you know, with a surrounding cast that wasn't necessarily the
best surrounding cast. So in my same argument for Shador,
you could also make for cam. He had success behind
what you could call poor offensive lines at the college level,
So I think that that's actually a huge feather in
his cap when you talk about the evaluation to the
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next level. I think he's going to have to just
be careful from a turnover perspective, because he will make
throws that others are unwilling to make sure. But that
does put the ball in precarious spots. And that's the
only thing that I would say is it would be
my only worry. It's not that I think it's going
to happen. I just he may have to deal with
a few unsightly turnovers early in his career. In order
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to learn some of those lessons.
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Speaker 6 (06:33):
App the.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You know, I was watching Ashton gent footage about a
week ago, and I did this years and years ago.
There was a draft and I was just going through.
This was pre YouTube. I think maybe it wasn't, but
I remember seeing a bunch of van.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
The Dark Ages. Yeah, that's the Dark Ages.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And I saw Patrick Willis video a bunch of it,
and I went on the air and I said, that's
the best athlete in the draft. He went eleven to
the Niners and I said, I don't care. And watching
him chase down SEC running backs chase them down and
they're four to four guys and he ended up having
a great career. He retired, you know a little earlier,
but he was a great player. And I was watching
Ashton genty footage their day and he had a little
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Saquaner three move and I was like, yeah, that's not normal,
Like that's the stuff that's just god given. And I
kind of changed my mind from you know, it's a
good quarter, it's a good running back draft. You can
get eighty five percent of him in the fourth round.
I kind of probably think he may be the third
most athletic player in the draft after Abdul Carter and
Travis Hunter.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Where are you on the running back from Boise State?
Speaker 7 (07:37):
I love Ashton gent I really do. I think that,
so I'm truth be told, Like, I believe that the
number one attribute that a running back.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Has to have. It's a prerequisite that.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
You've got to be able to run the football, and
he obviously does that in space, but you've got to
be able to catch it out of the backfield.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
I think you would agree with me on that.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
Like in this day and age, you've got to be
a threat on every down and in every personnel group,
and that means catching out of the backfield. Now, some
would say, and I think lazily, well, he didn't have
a lot of catches last year. But if you actually
just kind of peek behind the curtain of what last
year was for Genti and more specifically for Boise State,
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they were very intently trying to win him the Heisman Trophy.
The only way that he was going to have a
chance to win the Heisman Trophy. Call him is if
he not only tested, but possibly beat Barry Sanders yardage mark,
you know, mid two thousand two, twenty five hundred yards. Well,
you're not going to waste touches on catches if you're
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trying to get just rushing yards. So they gave it
to him twenty eight times, but it was via handoffs,
so that that yardage would be rushing yardage. Now I
firmly believe that they have denied it. I've talked to
some of the coaches about this, but I firmly believe
that they They targeted twenty eight twenty nine touches, and
why in the world would you give some of that
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receiving Now, that doesn't mean he can't catch the ball.
So I have heard, and maybe you have heard this
or not. I have heard some people say like, well,
I didn't love his catch production as a wide receiver
or excuse me, a receiver out of the backfield. But
he can do it, and it has been there in
his history at Boise State. He's been a good receiver
out of the backfield. So that's not a concern for me.
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So you go towards his special traits, his vision, his balance,
and more specifically calling his contact through or excuse me.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
His balance through contact.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
It's amazing.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
No one brings him down. And I understand it's the
Mountain West and I've been you know, I'm a big
conference snob.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I'm not afraid to admit it.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
But you watch this guy play man and it's no
one brings him down and he just kind of bounces
through contact.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
That's very beautiful.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
I have him going to the Cowboys in the first
round in my mock draft, and he might not even
the last that long.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Really, yeah, I don't think that's a bad get.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So there was receiver from Arizona. It's a week receiver draft.
They say, t MA Mac. The other day they caught
him on video saying, and don't watch football. I don't
love film. It would it had a Johnny Manzel vibe.
The difference is Johnny's a quarterback. He's a receiver. You
have your receiver group, you know. I mean I watched
fifteen of his college games. Big catch radius, big kid,
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little bit of a glider, but after the catch, he's great.
It doesn't bother me. But I could see a team
saying we'll get a receiver next round. What did you
make of the comment?
Speaker 7 (10:30):
Sure, yeah, listen, he only needs one team to draft him,
and there's gonna be teams that are going to look
past those comments like what's he gonna do? Watch film
be like, well, I can beat that guy, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I mean he's.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Physically he's physically so gifted that when you actually think
about like what he's what. Listen, this is gonna sound bad,
but it's like defensive tackles and receivers need to know
the least amount of schematics on the field. It's like
the receiver is literally like can I beat this guy
or not? Is he in a jam technique or a
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bump technique or is he an off coverage?
Speaker 5 (11:05):
And that's I mean, that's kind of it man, you.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Know, And defensive lineman is like left or right quarterback
brouh you know. So yeah, so I'm not as concerned
with a guy that is maybe not a football junkie.
If a safety said this, or if a tight end
said this, or certainly a quarterback said this, I'd be like, Okay,
I don't love that, because they need to know so
much of what's going on. Schematically on the field with
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all twenty two chess pieces. Wide receiver not so much.
So I look at traits. He's big, he knows how
to use his body not only to catch radius. But
I would say that the win percentage in contested catches
is so high for him because of his instincts with
the football. So to me, he screams as a number
one receiver potentially, and for those reasons, someone is still
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going to have him high on their board, regardless of
what he said about film.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Okay, I like a lot about Jalen Milrow. I like
the body, I like the kid. I like the parents.
Kalen de Boor had Michael Pennix for years, often injured,
and Callen de Boor struggled with him. I mean, you
watched the first half against Vandy or Oklahoma, I'm like,
I got no interest, and then you watch other games.
I think it was the second half against Georgia and
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you're like, WHOA, what do we got here? So it's
a beautiful deep ball and again coachable, great kid, but man,
he was inconsistent at Bama.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
What is that? Why what does the film say on
Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Well, I think that Jalen Milroe suffers from what a
lot of guys suffer from that are supremely athletically gifted
at this position in particular, it is both a blessing
and a curse to be as gifted as he is
running the football. I think Lamar Jackson dealt with this
in his career, in particular going back to Louisville, and
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I think that Jalen Milroe is dealing with this. When
you have that trump card and that get out of
jail free card, it stunts your growth as are passer.
So he now doesn't just need to use like the
schematics of the game and the control in the pocket
and his ability to control.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Things with his mind.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Not that he can't, I'm just saying, you don't have
to do that when you can just leave the pocket
and beat everybody as an athletic quarterback.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
I've had this conversation with a lot of.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Guys and I would just say, like those of us
that can't run, would we love to run? Yes, But
what's the blessing of not being able to run? Well,
you learn the entire game, and you learn all of
your get out of jail cards that aren't your legs
and mill Row and those that can just athletically get
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out of jail free with their legs, they don't develop that,
and eventually you're gonna have to have that. So Colin,
what did we see? We saw growing pains. We saw
a guy that was being asked to do things that
he hadn't been asked to do before. And we saw that.
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And the question is is can you overcome that. Lamar
Jackson has been able to overcome that. Others have been
able to overcome that, and that's going to be Jalen's charge.
But he's really talented. And I will say this, like
he works incredibly hard. He works incredibly hard. And it
wasn't right away that Pinnix was able to succeed under
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Kaylin de Boor. You know, Pinnix at Indiana under Debor
wasn't Pinnix. He was often injured. And then he transferred
and went to Washington and started to have all that
success with an unbelievable wide receiver corps around him. And
hopefully for Jalen he can develop some of those traits
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Finally, you were drafted by major league baseball team. You
played minor league baseball. This Torpedo bat's fascinating where they've
shifted a little round to the barrel, to the label.
I said, it's like Gordon Ramsey's good regardless, but if
you give him the freshest seafood and the freshest ingredients,
it's jet fuel to a great chef. The Twins had
it all last weekend and couldn't hit. The Yankees, who
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let baseball at homers last year, are off to a
torridge start.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Listen?
Speaker 7 (15:15):
I love it. I love the innovation. And my question is,
let me like, I'll throw it back to you. How
many home runs do you think they hit with regular bats?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Probably a lot?
Speaker 7 (15:31):
To your point, right, like this is Ramsey with with
good ingredients. These are really good hitters.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
You know.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
You give it to a team that doesn't know how
to hit, and it's like, well, are they going to
do the damage that the Yankees were able to do?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I will tell you
this that the innovation in baseball has been very slow
over the years, and this is something that I can
get behind and I just love wasn't it the guy
that was like he was like a scientist and then
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he was he didn't he work for NASA and now
all of the sudden he's in baseball and he invinced this.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
I did this bat. I love it. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
It's almost like HGH was creating great where great didn't exist.
This is enhancing great where it already exists. You're just
kicking guys and saying, yeah that that that line drive
to short as a double, or that line drive to
short and that drops in for a long single.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
So I don't know, and I believe that the theory
is just that, like you get higher exit velocity because
the mass is greater at the point of contact.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Isn't that the theory behind it?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I dropped out of MI T after my second year,
so I don't have that.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Down here, got it?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
I love it?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Cold clap you as well? You as well, see dude,
All right, Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I mean it's it's so when I was a kid,
I don't know what the rest of you, but we
all collected some level of baseball cards. But I used
to be fascinated in the paper, in my little hometown paper.
You'd go to the bat leaders in the RBI leaders
and they listed them like every every day, and I
was just I was like memorizing stuff. And so even
now as an adult, sometimes randomly I'll go to like
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who leads baseball, and you know, batting average. There's just
a lot of teams sitting two forty in the last decade,
and you're like, you can't have half the teams hitting
under two fifty five, Like you need more action. Some
of it was defensive shift, and so that's why I
asked Rob Manfred, like, you get lower the manders up.
This has literally found the solution. They found a solution.
Now you got like six seven teams hit in two
ninety and it's not extending the time of the game.
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It's just more hits and more action.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
It's great.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Jmack with the.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
News, No, no.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
All right, we got a developing situation in Dallas.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
Oh and I don't want to go overboard here, but
Jerry Jones talked to the media and uh think.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
You're getting wacky.
Speaker 9 (17:50):
Okay, So it was reported to Cowboys that offered Michael
Parsons a contract that would make him the highest.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Paid non quarterback in NFL history.
Speaker 9 (17:58):
Parsons agent David Mooley Ghetto who's kind of a big
deal out there. He's had some big names. He was
not involved in the negotiations. Jerry's trying to cut out
the middleman. So on the facility earlier today, Emmanuel Atcho
cleared up some of the confusion.
Speaker 10 (18:16):
Because of the confusion, I called a movie get it
myself and where the cowboys are currently at is. They
brought Michael Parsons in to talk about the deal. Michael
Parson said, Hey, thanks for bringing me in to talk
about the deal, but I'm not agreeing to anything until
y'all talk to my agent.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So it sounds like Jerry.
Speaker 10 (18:32):
No, it sounds like Jerry wanted to go around the
agent of Micah go directly to Micah to negotiate said deal.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Ooh, that is saucy, So agents do not That infuriates
the agent.
Speaker 9 (18:45):
Give me if you're Jerry, you don't want to deal
with this guy. He resets the market for all of
his clients. So Jerry understandably, I don't want to deal.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
With this guy.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
Let me talk to my guy, Michah Parsons thinking like
the person.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Agents don't like that, of course not.
Speaker 9 (18:57):
So Jerry then met with the media and he's like Yeah,
his agent. I don't even know what his name is,
which is kind of disrespecting.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Oh that's saucy.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Everybody's played that card before, and this is fixing to
get ugly in Dallas. And now Michah Parsons is out
there on social media, as you can see, pumping up
his agent. Listen, I don't want to blast Jerry Jones.
Let's see what ends up.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I like it. I don't know his name's that's kind.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Of people get ticked off when you do that. I've
told you the ultimate move. If you're driving, somebody middle
fingers you.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
You don't middle.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Fingers the back.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
You just put the thumbs down and people get super
super angry. Somebody did it to me once and I
was I was living.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Because I'm a great driver. I know that. So I
think the.
Speaker 9 (19:41):
Whole I don't even know this guy's name is on
par with the thumbs down to a driver. It's really
this guy's going to be ticked off. Jerry is now
going to have to get into a back and forth.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
With the agent like a Parsons.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
It is.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
It's just a constant disaster in Dallas.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Colin.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
I'm kind of sort of lovingness anyways, let's move on
to Rahie. Morris said the Falcons are willing to trade
Kirk Cousins if there's a deal that works for both sides.
Diana Russini said today she wouldn't be surprised to see
Cousins in wait for it, colin Cleveland, and we know
a ton of teams are looking for quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
That's depressing.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Well, I mean, I remember I said that earlier.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
There is momentum in Cleveland that hey, we're getting Kirk Cousins.
If we don't draft Shador, we'll get Kirk. But there
is another another theory from Browns fans. Hey, let's take
Travis Hunter at two right, and if everybody passes on Shador,
we can then trade back into the middle late first round,
grab Shador and they get Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
In Cleveland, that could be in play.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
I don't know what you'd have to give up to
get back in the first but I just don't understand
what you're what you're doing going Kirk Cousins. I'm just
telling you, if he looks as washed as he did
in Atlanta and you win five or six games, is
Stefanski the coach again next year?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I honestly, this is so strange, but I already know
three teams they're going to be drafting in the top
six next year next year, Jets, Giants, and Cleveland.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
Well, Cleveland if they don't take Shador, right, I mean,
the idea that Kirk Cousins New Orleans will not do.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
New Orleans will not be great either.
Speaker 9 (21:20):
Yeah, New Orleans is a sleeper to take Shad or Sanders.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
I think at eight or nine, wherever they're drafting in
the top ten.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
There is such a defined bottom of the league now.
I never felt that until last two years. I felt
like because the league has become so quarterback reliant, if
you don't have one, you're bad.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
Do you think Kirk Cousins bounces back.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
No, I think he'll He'll be a better He'll be
somewhere between what he was until Thanksgiving and what he
was after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
He'll be somewhere in the after Thanksgiving. He looked like
your high school quarterback tape. I mean, it couldn't throw
an eight yard out. I mean it was it was bleak.
Remember that pick six cost me some money.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I've never had one of those. You never had, so
we didn't throw much.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
Would Final Store is about you know, your favorite guy,
Aaron Rodgers. So Art Rudy the Second has chimed in
on the Steelers in Rogers.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
He said he sees positive.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
Signs on the team signing Rogers. I don't know what
positive signs means.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But well that that probably means that Aaron's rep and
Aaron have said, uh, we feel pretty good about it.
We're not going to put pen to paper, but Aaron
practice with DK Metcalf. That's a pretty encouraging sign. Oh,
you know, can I just say, you know, some things
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look the part, but then you get there and they're
not the part. Like you know, it could be a
hotel reservation or a golf course or you know certain
things they just they sell themselves very well, and then
you get there and you got a GM in Pittsburgh
right now, I'm not sure Omar Khan is the guy.
They didn't do an outside search. He's been there forever.
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Mike Tomlin is been lapped offensively. They have a ton
of money on defense, getting a little older on defense.
I think Pittsburgh, they've been so relevant for so long,
there's this feeling that they're this and they're really not
close to a Super Bowl bubble.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
It's Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Has gone through stages like this in their history, like
after Lou Holtz until about year five with Brian Kelly.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
We talked about Notre Dame. Now Brian Kelly.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Last three years and Marcus Freeman are different, but there
was like a fifteen year gap that Notre Dame. Everybody
talked about him, but they were a mile from competing
with the second best, third best team in the SEC.
And I feel like Pittsburgh's like they've been lapped. They're
not relevant.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Yeah, it's tough. Did you ever see the movie Clueless
Alicia Silverstone?
Speaker 10 (23:52):
No?
Speaker 9 (23:53):
Oh gosh, so I'm pretty sure it was clueless, But
they called it like a monet where far away looks
really really good, then you get up close and you're like, ooh,
not so much.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Is that kind of like the Steelers.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Like, yeah, yeah, I think you.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Get up close and looking at it, it's not for me.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
There's a lot of Vegas casinos like that, a lot
of flashing lights, and then you get inside and you
have you stayed there and I've done that before. You
go to one of the rooms and you're like, yeah,
that's why I go to the Four Seasons and when
I go to Vegas holes, Yeah, I mean there's just
a lot of there's been a lot of use. I
mean hotel rooms in Vegas are treated like rental cars.
(24:32):
Like nobody treats a hotel in Vegas like they would.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Treat their their house.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
And so you know, and Pittsburgh, ooh, the Steelers, the helmet,
the trophies, Mike Tomlin, the defense.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
I don't I don't like what I hear and see.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Have you ever turned on a black light in a
Vegas hotel room?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
No? And I can imagine what's there. Yeah, I don't
want to go to comments.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
Michael Scott made a great comment on the Office back
in the day. That's either I won't say, I don't
to get in.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
I can imagine what the joke is really. Jay Mack
with the News, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
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Speaker 1 (25:12):
Gianni Infantino stopped by today. The president of FIFA as
the UH the Club World Cup will have two US representatives,
Miami and the Seattle Sounders, and UH the great players
and clubs in the world that that will precede the
World Cup, which is two summers away. We had Albert
(25:33):
Breer from the NFL owner meetings and Joe Klatt stopped by.
I can't get over the torpedo bat. It's like we
got six seven teams now people are averaging six runs
a game. Baseball has solved so many issues in the
last two years. Speed it up, bigger bases, more runners,
more runs.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Like they've just solved.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It's like NBA, are you watching this like that that
might is always changing. Baseball has had an unbelievable two
years of changes and they've all worked. It's like NBA,
you can sit on your hands, but your AAU system
is bad. The G League gets in the way of
(26:16):
marketing and promoting your players. You've got too much repetitiveness
on three pointers and nobody cares about the regular season,
including your star players. Like NBA, you've always been the
progressive make changes model. Like baseball has had two years
of like six changes and they're six for six.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
They all work.
Speaker 9 (26:38):
A lot of it had to do. I think Otani
going to the Dodgers, well.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
That helps tuff was enormous.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
That would be the equivalent of kind of Luca to
the Lakers, or if Kevin Durant this summer goes I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Back Nicks.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
If Kevin Durant goes to the Knicks, there's two moves
that are really going to help the NBA. Kevin Durant
to the Celtics or Knicks, and Cooper Flag goes either
with Wemby or goes to Chicago Goals.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
Yeah, and you will be like Cooper fucking Wenby. Oh,
I didn't even thought about that.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
No, he goes with Wemby and Cooper Flag. Folks, you're
looking at the best wing player and the best big,
potentially generational talents.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
That's what they are.
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Well that's in Philadelphia. Oh that's a good one. That'll
be a good watch, good weekend watch. By the way,
J Mack had me watch White Lotus, so I went
on vacation. I was forced to watch season three.
Speaker 10 (28:50):
I just know.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Nope, but I did watch on Netflix.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
Well, hold on, time out, time out. Who's your favorite
character on season three White Lotus?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I hate all of them? Everybody.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
I think everybody's unlikable.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
Ever your kind of show.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
I think the pop star is Cube. Oh I love her.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, she's adorable. Everybody else is completely unlikable. Instead, I
waited for my show on Netflix yesterday called Gone Girl.
It's about the Suffolk County thirty year serial killer. That
was fascinating. Just it dropped yesterday, so it's called Gone
It's fascinating.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
All over these Netflix drops.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I like dogs and true crime. You like fluffy make
pretend movies. I love that creativity. I'm sorry, I like creative,
interesting people.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
The top. It's just unwa what do you think you're
a detective? You try to solve these crimes?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Interesting. I'd love to be a detective.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
I would love to be a Navy seal.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Okay, well I think you have to be at least
five or four. Oh, come on, are you kidding me?
Speaker 9 (29:48):
So it's funny, I know, in a former Navy cel
I can't reveal his name.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
He coached Oopes. We've become friendly and.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
I told him I want to do a Navy Seal workout,
so I will report back to you.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
He's a pretty pretty jacked individual.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, I'd rather go to an aquarium and watch the seagulls.
We had Gianni Infantino earlier, the president of FIFA, and
we were talking about I said, listen, we're going to
have the World Cup here and the Club World Cup
here in the next two summers, and it'll it's there's
a four hundred percent increase in soccer fans created in
America in the last twelve months, so this is we
(30:22):
got some players and people get excited about this stuff.
So it's just good for the overall global sport, and
it's good for United States men's and women's soccer. But
I asked him about his message to US soccer.
Speaker 14 (30:33):
You know, you are the United States of America, right,
the greatest country in the world. You are number one
in kind of everything you do. You cannot be satisfied
to be number twenty in the number one sport in
the world. You want to be number one in the
number one sport. So let's go for it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, I mean, despite what our media tells you, we
are a pretty good place to live.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
And so.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
If the media hates America but most of us like it, no,
I think it's I can't wait. I'm very excited. And
I will say this. You know, they call it a
beautiful game. There is what is really good. If you
ever go over to Europe and you're ever over, like
let's say in England, and they're that they have their
you know, English Premier League matches, it is fascinating. Just
(31:18):
it is unbelieve. It's just like the NFL over here,
like everybody's glued to a TV. You can walk anywhere
outside the pubs, have a pint. It's just great. There's
just nothing like it. And Imbape appears to be one
of the two or three best players we've had in
the last thirty years.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
He's that kind of all.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
He's kind of there Lebron He's an all time talent
and you are watching him. Also today we had Albert
breeran and uh, you know we were Ty said, you know,
I think Aaron Rodgers loves football and loves playing it,
but there's not a great offer. And Pittsburgh's sort of
an okay offer, but he doesn't want to quit. He
(31:57):
wants to play, and Albert Breer responds to do that.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
The perfect place would have been Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Minnesota wants to get a longer look at JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
And again we've been over this before, Colin, Like, if
they bring in Sam Donald or Daniel Jones, like, that's
much different than bringing in Aaron Rodgers, where if you
bring in Aaron Rodgers, you are just jamming on the
pause button on the JJ McCarthy era at best. I
think one thing the Steelers have going for them the
young offensive line's gotten better.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
They also have peers of his on his team.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
They're going to be operating with the same level of
vergency veteran players, Guys like TJ Watt, who will be
thirty one.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Make if it's patching, he'll be twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Cam Hayward, who I believes going into his fourteenth year
as an NFL player, DK Metcalt now in his third contract.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
This is jumping on a moving train.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Yeah, I don't know. I just don't like it.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
But you know, Aaron's one of those if you what
it's I feel bad because I think he's trapped. I
think he loves football. I think he loves playing it.
He gets great joy out of it. And what happens
if you know, in my field, if you love doing
a talk show and you hit a point where there's
no great options and you don't want to stop doing it,
forget the income, you just like doing it. So I
feel like Aaron was hoping the Minnesota thing became true.
(33:11):
Knew the division, loved the coach, Justin Jefferson, upgraded their
O line. I think he really wanted to go to Minnesota.
I think he'd really go to San Francisco tomorrow. And
I think he's going to settle for Pittsburgh, a defensive
culture where they cannot get the O line right, and
they lost their left tackle and they lost Najie Harris.
So yeah, I just Joe Burrow twice a year, Lamar
(33:35):
Jackson twice a year.
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So the story that will develop over the next couple
of weeks is going to be we know who's going
number one of the draft, and we know it's not
a great draft. The Shador Sanders things. One of the
only mysteries I do think the Jets are going to
trade down if they have the opportunity. Just feels like
Aaron Glenn's gonna want his guys in. I was told
from a source I implicitly absolutely trust that one of
the reasons they didn't bring Aaron Rodgers back. They didn't
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want Aaron the quarterback, and they didn't want Aaron the guy.
They wanted a new culture. They wanted to get younger
that at less expensive and opportunities to go buy some help,
some veteran strong culture guys in help. So I could
see the that's trading down and getting more picks a lot.
I think a lot of teams want to trade down.
Outside of Tennessee. I think a lot want to trade down,
and there's not a lot of takers. So here was
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schaanor Sanders is one of the mysteries. Albert Breer earlier
today on what he's hearing about his draft status.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I would say, I've Dull Carter at two to Cleveland,
Travis Hunter at three to the Giants. I think the
Giants have protected themselves so they don't have to force
anything at quarterback. And I do think, you know, like
the idea of taking Travis Hunter and then maybe a
day two.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Quarterback where you're not tied to that guy for.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
The next ten years, but you get it, you're taking
a shot at it.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Might work better for them.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
My guess right now would be that neither of them
takes Chador and then it becomes anywhere as guess where
Sador goes, because like I said to you last week,
like he's sort of like Bonnicks to me, like this,
like this this year's version of bon Knicks where last
year or very few teams that had Bonnicks as a
first round pick. He had to find a fit and
he obviously found that in Denver and no one cares
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or anybody had him any more because he played great
for the Bronx. I think that's Shadoor this year, where
a lot of teams don't look him in as the
first round talent and he's going to have to find
a fit.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
It's interesting, Joel Klatt.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
He played He played football at Colorado as well.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
It is interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Here's the argument for those that say Shador is dropping.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
I could argue this, listen, not.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
A special athlete, been a couple of moments of immaturity.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
We don't love, not the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
But he's probably closer to Jackson dartas a talent than
cam Ward. So what's the point we'll wait to the
second round? Is that a legit argument from what you've seen?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (02:40):
I mean I I think Shadour is an incredible player.
I think he is and should be a top five
or six pick in the draft. I think what people
fail to realize is that he was doing at the
college level what he's going to be asked to do
at the at the NFL level. Not only ismatically, but
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also think about this colin. How many times do we
evaluate quarterbacks that are playing with far superior teammates than
their opposition all the time. That's all we do, is evaluates.
Part of the reason why it's so difficult to evaluate
college quarterbacks is because generally speaking, they're playing on really
good teams and their teammates are far better than the opposition.
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That's not necessarily the case with Shudor. He's playing behind
a really bad offensive line, and he took a team
that was going from one win and then ultimately wound
up in the top twenty five and won nine games.
Why because of him? So he had to raise the
level of everybody around him. He did it without a
running game, he did it without an offensive line.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
He's hyper accurate.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
When he's on time in the pocket, he can create
kind of from a magical standpoint and keep the play alive.
Similar to fran Tarkington, I hear this narrative, and unfortunately,
this is where we're at today, and kind of the
coverage of the NFL draft is that the draft media
or certain individuals within the league who are never going
(04:04):
to draft this player to begin with, start perpetuating these
myths and these untruths about players stemming out of the combine.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
We didn't like this guy.
Speaker 7 (04:15):
This guy is falling, And to be honest with you,
I think that this type of storyline is lazy and
it's rent and repeat.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Every year.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
You take the guy that is the most controversial in
the draft, and then we end up having to talk
about this exact subject because of lazy journalism and a
big mouth scout. That's what happens every single year. But
when you actually watch Shador, guy is excellent man. He's
got surgical capability, he's on time, he's accurate, he's smart,
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and he led a program from one win to nine,
which is exactly what he's going to be asked to
do in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
All right, cam Ward, I mean cam Ward looks like
a number one pick in terms of move arm. Anything
that worries about him that he's a little off script.
A lot of guys are early in there. Jayden Daniels
was a lot of off script that worked. My take
is nobody's gonna know what he is until Thanksgiving, so
there's the element of the surprise and a weak division.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
I think he's actually going to play pretty well.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
You know.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
I think cam Ward is a really talented guy. There
is a little element. Colin, I think you would agree
with me, and we've talked about this a little bit.
There's a little element of gunslinger to him. You know,
he'll take some chances with the football down the field,
but that's part of what makes him special, you know,
and he believes and he trusts himself and his arm strength.
I've loved him for a long time. And by the
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way he played back in his days at Washington State,
you know, with a surrounding cast that wasn't necessarily the
best surrounding cast. So in my same argument for Shador,
you could also make for cam. He had success behind
what you could call poor offensive lines at the college level,
So I think that that's actually a huge feather in
his cap when you talk about the evaluation to the
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next level. I think he's going to have to just
be careful from a turnover perspective, because he will make
throws that others are unwilling to make sure. But that
does put the ball in precarious spots. And that's the
only thing that I would say is it would be
my only worry. It's not that I think it's going
to happen. I just he may have to deal with
a few unsightly turnovers early in his career. In order
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to learn some of those lessons.
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Speaker 6 (06:33):
App the.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You know, I was watching Ashton gent footage about a
week ago, and I did this years and years ago.
There was a draft and I was just going through.
This was pre YouTube. I think maybe it wasn't, but
I remember seeing a bunch of van.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
The Dark Ages. Yeah, that's the Dark Ages.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And I saw Patrick Willis video a bunch of it,
and I went on the air and I said, that's
the best athlete in the draft. He went eleven to
the Niners and I said, I don't care. And watching
him chase down SEC running backs chase them down and
they're four to four guys and he ended up having
a great career. He retired, you know a little earlier,
but he was a great player. And I was watching
Ashton genty footage their day and he had a little
(07:14):
Saquaner three move and I was like, yeah, that's not normal,
Like that's the stuff that's just god given. And I
kind of changed my mind from you know, it's a
good quarter, it's a good running back draft. You can
get eighty five percent of him in the fourth round.
I kind of probably think he may be the third
most athletic player in the draft after Abdul Carter and
Travis Hunter.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Where are you on the running back from Boise State?
Speaker 7 (07:37):
I love Ashton gent I really do. I think that,
so I'm truth be told, Like, I believe that the
number one attribute that a running back.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Has to have. It's a prerequisite that.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
You've got to be able to run the football, and
he obviously does that in space, but you've got to
be able to catch it out of the backfield.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
I think you would agree with me on that.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
Like in this day and age, you've got to be
a threat on every down and in every personnel group,
and that means catching out of the backfield. Now, some
would say, and I think lazily, well, he didn't have
a lot of catches last year. But if you actually
just kind of peek behind the curtain of what last
year was for Genti and more specifically for Boise State,
(08:18):
they were very intently trying to win him the Heisman Trophy.
The only way that he was going to have a
chance to win the Heisman Trophy. Call him is if
he not only tested, but possibly beat Barry Sanders yardage mark,
you know, mid two thousand two, twenty five hundred yards. Well,
you're not going to waste touches on catches if you're
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trying to get just rushing yards. So they gave it
to him twenty eight times, but it was via handoffs,
so that that yardage would be rushing yardage. Now I
firmly believe that they have denied it. I've talked to
some of the coaches about this, but I firmly believe
that they They targeted twenty eight twenty nine touches, and
why in the world would you give some of that
(09:03):
receiving Now, that doesn't mean he can't catch the ball.
So I have heard, and maybe you have heard this
or not. I have heard some people say like, well,
I didn't love his catch production as a wide receiver
or excuse me, a receiver out of the backfield. But
he can do it, and it has been there in
his history at Boise State. He's been a good receiver
out of the backfield. So that's not a concern for me.
(09:24):
So you go towards his special traits, his vision, his balance,
and more specifically calling his contact through or excuse me.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
His balance through contact.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
It's amazing.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
No one brings him down. And I understand it's the
Mountain West and I've been you know, I'm a big
conference snob.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I'm not afraid to admit it.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
But you watch this guy play man and it's no
one brings him down and he just kind of bounces
through contact.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
That's very beautiful.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
I have him going to the Cowboys in the first
round in my mock draft, and he might not even
the last that long.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Really, yeah, I don't think that's a bad get.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So there was receiver from Arizona. It's a week receiver draft.
They say, t MA Mac. The other day they caught
him on video saying, and don't watch football. I don't
love film. It would it had a Johnny Manzel vibe.
The difference is Johnny's a quarterback. He's a receiver. You
have your receiver group, you know. I mean I watched
fifteen of his college games. Big catch radius, big kid,
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little bit of a glider, but after the catch, he's great.
It doesn't bother me. But I could see a team
saying we'll get a receiver next round. What did you
make of the comment?
Speaker 7 (10:30):
Sure, yeah, listen, he only needs one team to draft him,
and there's gonna be teams that are going to look
past those comments like what's he gonna do? Watch film
be like, well, I can beat that guy, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I mean he's.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Physically he's physically so gifted that when you actually think
about like what he's what. Listen, this is gonna sound bad,
but it's like defensive tackles and receivers need to know
the least amount of schematics on the field. It's like
the receiver is literally like can I beat this guy
or not? Is he in a jam technique or a
(11:03):
bump technique or is he an off coverage?
Speaker 5 (11:05):
And that's I mean, that's kind of it man, you.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Know, And defensive lineman is like left or right quarterback
brouh you know. So yeah, so I'm not as concerned
with a guy that is maybe not a football junkie.
If a safety said this, or if a tight end
said this, or certainly a quarterback said this, I'd be like, Okay,
I don't love that, because they need to know so
much of what's going on. Schematically on the field with
(11:27):
all twenty two chess pieces. Wide receiver not so much.
So I look at traits. He's big, he knows how
to use his body not only to catch radius. But
I would say that the win percentage in contested catches
is so high for him because of his instincts with
the football. So to me, he screams as a number
one receiver potentially, and for those reasons, someone is still
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going to have him high on their board, regardless of
what he said about film.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Okay, I like a lot about Jalen Milrow. I like
the body, I like the kid. I like the parents.
Kalen de Boor had Michael Pennix for years, often injured,
and Callen de Boor struggled with him. I mean, you
watched the first half against Vandy or Oklahoma, I'm like,
I got no interest, and then you watch other games.
I think it was the second half against Georgia and
(12:13):
you're like, WHOA, what do we got here? So it's
a beautiful deep ball and again coachable, great kid, but man,
he was inconsistent at Bama.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
What is that? Why what does the film say on
Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Well, I think that Jalen Milroe suffers from what a
lot of guys suffer from that are supremely athletically gifted
at this position in particular, it is both a blessing
and a curse to be as gifted as he is
running the football. I think Lamar Jackson dealt with this
in his career, in particular going back to Louisville, and
(12:50):
I think that Jalen Milroe is dealing with this. When
you have that trump card and that get out of
jail free card, it stunts your growth as are passer.
So he now doesn't just need to use like the
schematics of the game and the control in the pocket
and his ability to control.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Things with his mind.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Not that he can't, I'm just saying, you don't have
to do that when you can just leave the pocket
and beat everybody as an athletic quarterback.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
I've had this conversation with a lot of.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Guys and I would just say, like those of us
that can't run, would we love to run? Yes, But
what's the blessing of not being able to run? Well,
you learn the entire game, and you learn all of
your get out of jail cards that aren't your legs
and mill Row and those that can just athletically get
(13:42):
out of jail free with their legs, they don't develop that,
and eventually you're gonna have to have that. So Colin,
what did we see? We saw growing pains. We saw
a guy that was being asked to do things that
he hadn't been asked to do before. And we saw that.
(14:03):
And the question is is can you overcome that. Lamar
Jackson has been able to overcome that. Others have been
able to overcome that, and that's going to be Jalen's charge.
But he's really talented. And I will say this, like
he works incredibly hard. He works incredibly hard. And it
wasn't right away that Pinnix was able to succeed under
(14:25):
Kaylin de Boor. You know, Pinnix at Indiana under Debor
wasn't Pinnix. He was often injured. And then he transferred
and went to Washington and started to have all that
success with an unbelievable wide receiver corps around him. And
hopefully for Jalen he can develop some of those traits
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Finally, you were drafted by major league baseball team. You
played minor league baseball. This Torpedo bat's fascinating where they've
shifted a little round to the barrel, to the label.
I said, it's like Gordon Ramsey's good regardless, but if
you give him the freshest seafood and the freshest ingredients,
it's jet fuel to a great chef. The Twins had
it all last weekend and couldn't hit. The Yankees, who
(15:06):
let baseball at homers last year, are off to a
torridge start.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Listen?
Speaker 7 (15:15):
I love it. I love the innovation. And my question is,
let me like, I'll throw it back to you. How
many home runs do you think they hit with regular bats?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Probably a lot?
Speaker 7 (15:31):
To your point, right, like this is Ramsey with with
good ingredients. These are really good hitters.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
You know.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
You give it to a team that doesn't know how
to hit, and it's like, well, are they going to
do the damage that the Yankees were able to do?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I will tell you
this that the innovation in baseball has been very slow
over the years, and this is something that I can
get behind and I just love wasn't it the guy
that was like he was like a scientist and then
(15:57):
he was he didn't he work for NASA and now
all of the sudden he's in baseball and he invinced this.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
I did this bat. I love it. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
It's almost like HGH was creating great where great didn't exist.
This is enhancing great where it already exists. You're just
kicking guys and saying, yeah that that that line drive
to short as a double, or that line drive to
short and that drops in for a long single.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
So I don't know, and I believe that the theory
is just that, like you get higher exit velocity because
the mass is greater at the point of contact.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Isn't that the theory behind it?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I dropped out of MI T after my second year,
so I don't have that.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Down here, got it?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
I love it?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Cold clap you as well? You as well, see dude,
All right, Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I mean it's it's so when I was a kid,
I don't know what the rest of you, but we
all collected some level of baseball cards. But I used
to be fascinated in the paper, in my little hometown paper.
You'd go to the bat leaders in the RBI leaders
and they listed them like every every day, and I
was just I was like memorizing stuff. And so even
now as an adult, sometimes randomly I'll go to like
(17:09):
who leads baseball, and you know, batting average. There's just
a lot of teams sitting two forty in the last decade,
and you're like, you can't have half the teams hitting
under two fifty five, Like you need more action. Some
of it was defensive shift, and so that's why I
asked Rob Manfred, like, you get lower the manders up.
This has literally found the solution. They found a solution.
Now you got like six seven teams hit in two
ninety and it's not extending the time of the game.
(17:31):
It's just more hits and more action.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
It's great.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Jmack with the.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
News, No, no.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
All right, we got a developing situation in Dallas.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
Oh and I don't want to go overboard here, but
Jerry Jones talked to the media and uh think.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
You're getting wacky.
Speaker 9 (17:50):
Okay, So it was reported to Cowboys that offered Michael
Parsons a contract that would make him the highest.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Paid non quarterback in NFL history.
Speaker 9 (17:58):
Parsons agent David Mooley Ghetto who's kind of a big
deal out there. He's had some big names. He was
not involved in the negotiations. Jerry's trying to cut out
the middleman. So on the facility earlier today, Emmanuel Atcho
cleared up some of the confusion.
Speaker 10 (18:16):
Because of the confusion, I called a movie get it
myself and where the cowboys are currently at is. They
brought Michael Parsons in to talk about the deal. Michael
Parson said, Hey, thanks for bringing me in to talk
about the deal, but I'm not agreeing to anything until
y'all talk to my agent.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So it sounds like Jerry.
Speaker 10 (18:32):
No, it sounds like Jerry wanted to go around the
agent of Micah go directly to Micah to negotiate said deal.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Ooh, that is saucy, So agents do not That infuriates
the agent.
Speaker 9 (18:45):
Give me if you're Jerry, you don't want to deal
with this guy. He resets the market for all of
his clients. So Jerry understandably, I don't want to deal.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
With this guy.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
Let me talk to my guy, Michah Parsons thinking like
the person.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Agents don't like that, of course not.
Speaker 9 (18:57):
So Jerry then met with the media and he's like Yeah,
his agent. I don't even know what his name is,
which is kind of disrespecting.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Oh that's saucy.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Everybody's played that card before, and this is fixing to
get ugly in Dallas. And now Michah Parsons is out
there on social media, as you can see, pumping up
his agent. Listen, I don't want to blast Jerry Jones.
Let's see what ends up.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I like it. I don't know his name's that's kind.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Of people get ticked off when you do that. I've
told you the ultimate move. If you're driving, somebody middle
fingers you.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
You don't middle.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Fingers the back.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
You just put the thumbs down and people get super
super angry. Somebody did it to me once and I
was I was living.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Because I'm a great driver. I know that. So I
think the.
Speaker 9 (19:41):
Whole I don't even know this guy's name is on
par with the thumbs down to a driver. It's really
this guy's going to be ticked off. Jerry is now
going to have to get into a back and forth.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
With the agent like a Parsons.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
It is.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
It's just a constant disaster in Dallas.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Colin.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
I'm kind of sort of lovingness anyways, let's move on
to Rahie. Morris said the Falcons are willing to trade
Kirk Cousins if there's a deal that works for both sides.
Diana Russini said today she wouldn't be surprised to see
Cousins in wait for it, colin Cleveland, and we know
a ton of teams are looking for quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
That's depressing.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Well, I mean, I remember I said that earlier.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
There is momentum in Cleveland that hey, we're getting Kirk Cousins.
If we don't draft Shador, we'll get Kirk. But there
is another another theory from Browns fans. Hey, let's take
Travis Hunter at two right, and if everybody passes on Shador,
we can then trade back into the middle late first round,
grab Shador and they get Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
In Cleveland, that could be in play.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
I don't know what you'd have to give up to
get back in the first but I just don't understand
what you're what you're doing going Kirk Cousins. I'm just
telling you, if he looks as washed as he did
in Atlanta and you win five or six games, is
Stefanski the coach again next year?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I honestly, this is so strange, but I already know
three teams they're going to be drafting in the top
six next year next year, Jets, Giants, and Cleveland.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
Well, Cleveland if they don't take Shador, right, I mean,
the idea that Kirk Cousins New Orleans will not do.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
New Orleans will not be great either.
Speaker 9 (21:20):
Yeah, New Orleans is a sleeper to take Shad or Sanders.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
I think at eight or nine, wherever they're drafting in
the top ten.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
There is such a defined bottom of the league now.
I never felt that until last two years. I felt
like because the league has become so quarterback reliant, if
you don't have one, you're bad.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
Do you think Kirk Cousins bounces back.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
No, I think he'll He'll be a better He'll be
somewhere between what he was until Thanksgiving and what he
was after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
He'll be somewhere in the after Thanksgiving. He looked like
your high school quarterback tape. I mean, it couldn't throw
an eight yard out. I mean it was it was bleak.
Remember that pick six cost me some money.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I've never had one of those. You never had, so
we didn't throw much.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
Would Final Store is about you know, your favorite guy,
Aaron Rodgers. So Art Rudy the Second has chimed in
on the Steelers in Rogers.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
He said he sees positive.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
Signs on the team signing Rogers. I don't know what
positive signs means.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But well that that probably means that Aaron's rep and
Aaron have said, uh, we feel pretty good about it.
We're not going to put pen to paper, but Aaron
practice with DK Metcalf. That's a pretty encouraging sign. Oh,
you know, can I just say, you know, some things
(22:37):
look the part, but then you get there and they're
not the part. Like you know, it could be a
hotel reservation or a golf course or you know certain
things they just they sell themselves very well, and then
you get there and you got a GM in Pittsburgh
right now, I'm not sure Omar Khan is the guy.
They didn't do an outside search. He's been there forever.
(22:58):
Mike Tomlin is been lapped offensively. They have a ton
of money on defense, getting a little older on defense.
I think Pittsburgh, they've been so relevant for so long,
there's this feeling that they're this and they're really not
close to a Super Bowl bubble.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
It's Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Has gone through stages like this in their history, like
after Lou Holtz until about year five with Brian Kelly.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
We talked about Notre Dame. Now Brian Kelly.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Last three years and Marcus Freeman are different, but there
was like a fifteen year gap that Notre Dame. Everybody
talked about him, but they were a mile from competing
with the second best, third best team in the SEC.
And I feel like Pittsburgh's like they've been lapped. They're
not relevant.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Yeah, it's tough. Did you ever see the movie Clueless
Alicia Silverstone?
Speaker 10 (23:52):
No?
Speaker 9 (23:53):
Oh gosh, so I'm pretty sure it was clueless, But
they called it like a monet where far away looks
really really good, then you get up close and you're like, ooh,
not so much.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Is that kind of like the Steelers.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Like, yeah, yeah, I think you.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Get up close and looking at it, it's not for me.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
There's a lot of Vegas casinos like that, a lot
of flashing lights, and then you get inside and you
have you stayed there and I've done that before. You
go to one of the rooms and you're like, yeah,
that's why I go to the Four Seasons and when
I go to Vegas holes, Yeah, I mean there's just
a lot of there's been a lot of use. I
mean hotel rooms in Vegas are treated like rental cars.
(24:32):
Like nobody treats a hotel in Vegas like they would.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Treat their their house.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
And so you know, and Pittsburgh, ooh, the Steelers, the helmet,
the trophies, Mike Tomlin, the defense.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
I don't I don't like what I hear and see.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Have you ever turned on a black light in a
Vegas hotel room?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
No? And I can imagine what's there. Yeah, I don't
want to go to comments.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
Michael Scott made a great comment on the Office back
in the day. That's either I won't say, I don't
to get in.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
I can imagine what the joke is really. Jay Mack
with the News, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Gianni Infantino stopped by today. The president of FIFA as
the UH the Club World Cup will have two US representatives,
Miami and the Seattle Sounders, and UH the great players
and clubs in the world that that will precede the
World Cup, which is two summers away. We had Albert
(25:33):
Breer from the NFL owner meetings and Joe Klatt stopped by.
I can't get over the torpedo bat. It's like we
got six seven teams now people are averaging six runs
a game. Baseball has solved so many issues in the
last two years. Speed it up, bigger bases, more runners,
more runs.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Like they've just solved.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It's like NBA, are you watching this like that that
might is always changing. Baseball has had an unbelievable two
years of changes and they've all worked. It's like NBA,
you can sit on your hands, but your AAU system
is bad. The G League gets in the way of
(26:16):
marketing and promoting your players. You've got too much repetitiveness
on three pointers and nobody cares about the regular season,
including your star players. Like NBA, you've always been the
progressive make changes model. Like baseball has had two years
of like six changes and they're six for six.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
They all work.
Speaker 9 (26:38):
A lot of it had to do. I think Otani
going to the Dodgers, well.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
That helps tuff was enormous.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
That would be the equivalent of kind of Luca to
the Lakers, or if Kevin Durant this summer goes I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Back Nicks.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
If Kevin Durant goes to the Knicks, there's two moves
that are really going to help the NBA. Kevin Durant
to the Celtics or Knicks, and Cooper Flag goes either
with Wemby or goes to Chicago Goals.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
Yeah, and you will be like Cooper fucking Wenby. Oh,
I didn't even thought about that.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
No, he goes with Wemby and Cooper Flag. Folks, you're
looking at the best wing player and the best big,
potentially generational talents.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
That's what they are.
Speaker 11 (27:16):
Like, let's be real, live in La, It's the Hurt.
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Catch the Raining MVP show Hey Otani as he leads
the defending champion Dodgers in a must watch early season
showdown against Bryce Harper and the Phillies Saturday at four
Eastern on FS one.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well that's in Philadelphia. Oh that's a good one. That'll
be a good watch, good weekend watch. By the way,
J Mack had me watch White Lotus, so I went
on vacation. I was forced to watch season three.
Speaker 10 (28:50):
I just know.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Nope, but I did watch on Netflix.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
Well, hold on, time out, time out. Who's your favorite
character on season three White Lotus?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I hate all of them? Everybody.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
I think everybody's unlikable.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
Ever your kind of show.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
I think the pop star is Cube. Oh I love her.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, she's adorable. Everybody else is completely unlikable. Instead, I
waited for my show on Netflix yesterday called Gone Girl.
It's about the Suffolk County thirty year serial killer. That
was fascinating. Just it dropped yesterday, so it's called Gone
It's fascinating.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
All over these Netflix drops.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I like dogs and true crime. You like fluffy make
pretend movies. I love that creativity. I'm sorry, I like creative,
interesting people.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
The top. It's just unwa what do you think you're
a detective? You try to solve these crimes?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Interesting. I'd love to be a detective.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
I would love to be a Navy seal.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Okay, well I think you have to be at least
five or four. Oh, come on, are you kidding me?
Speaker 9 (29:48):
So it's funny, I know, in a former Navy cel
I can't reveal his name.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
He coached Oopes. We've become friendly and.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
I told him I want to do a Navy Seal workout,
so I will report back to you.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
He's a pretty pretty jacked individual.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, I'd rather go to an aquarium and watch the seagulls.
We had Gianni Infantino earlier, the president of FIFA, and
we were talking about I said, listen, we're going to
have the World Cup here and the Club World Cup
here in the next two summers, and it'll it's there's
a four hundred percent increase in soccer fans created in
America in the last twelve months, so this is we
(30:22):
got some players and people get excited about this stuff.
So it's just good for the overall global sport, and
it's good for United States men's and women's soccer. But
I asked him about his message to US soccer.
Speaker 14 (30:33):
You know, you are the United States of America, right,
the greatest country in the world. You are number one
in kind of everything you do. You cannot be satisfied
to be number twenty in the number one sport in
the world. You want to be number one in the
number one sport. So let's go for it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, I mean, despite what our media tells you, we
are a pretty good place to live.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
And so.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
If the media hates America but most of us like it, no,
I think it's I can't wait. I'm very excited. And
I will say this. You know, they call it a
beautiful game. There is what is really good. If you
ever go over to Europe and you're ever over, like
let's say in England, and they're that they have their
you know, English Premier League matches, it is fascinating. Just
(31:18):
it is unbelieve. It's just like the NFL over here,
like everybody's glued to a TV. You can walk anywhere
outside the pubs, have a pint. It's just great. There's
just nothing like it. And Imbape appears to be one
of the two or three best players we've had in
the last thirty years.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
He's that kind of all.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
He's kind of there Lebron He's an all time talent
and you are watching him. Also today we had Albert
breeran and uh, you know we were Ty said, you know,
I think Aaron Rodgers loves football and loves playing it,
but there's not a great offer. And Pittsburgh's sort of
an okay offer, but he doesn't want to quit. He
(31:57):
wants to play, and Albert Breer responds to do that.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
The perfect place would have been Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Minnesota wants to get a longer look at JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
And again we've been over this before, Colin, Like, if
they bring in Sam Donald or Daniel Jones, like, that's
much different than bringing in Aaron Rodgers, where if you
bring in Aaron Rodgers, you are just jamming on the
pause button on the JJ McCarthy era at best. I
think one thing the Steelers have going for them the
young offensive line's gotten better.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
They also have peers of his on his team.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
They're going to be operating with the same level of
vergency veteran players, Guys like TJ Watt, who will be
thirty one.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Make if it's patching, he'll be twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Cam Hayward, who I believes going into his fourteenth year
as an NFL player, DK Metcalt now in his third contract.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
This is jumping on a moving train.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Yeah, I don't know. I just don't like it.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
But you know, Aaron's one of those if you what
it's I feel bad because I think he's trapped. I
think he loves football. I think he loves playing it.
He gets great joy out of it. And what happens
if you know, in my field, if you love doing
a talk show and you hit a point where there's
no great options and you don't want to stop doing it,
forget the income, you just like doing it. So I
feel like Aaron was hoping the Minnesota thing became true.
(33:11):
Knew the division, loved the coach, Justin Jefferson, upgraded their
O line. I think he really wanted to go to Minnesota.
I think he'd really go to San Francisco tomorrow. And
I think he's going to settle for Pittsburgh, a defensive
culture where they cannot get the O line right, and
they lost their left tackle and they lost Najie Harris.
So yeah, I just Joe Burrow twice a year, Lamar
(33:35):
Jackson twice a year.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
All right?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
The Crown the Fox Sports created basketball tournament. How about that?
De Paul and Cincinnati on FS one. So this is
a good little basketball tournament. Yesterday watching Butler yesterday. We
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