April 5, 2025 • 49 mins
Where Colin was right and wrong
People are overreacting about the torpedo bats
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome in live. It's the Hurt wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Kelvin Samson, great coach of
the Houston Cougars, is going to be joining us in
one hour from now. That team is That team is
a handful, and they've had a road Gonzaga perdu they
have had a road.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Tennessee got spanked.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
That game was not competitive, and Tennessee, by the way,
didn't do a lot once they fell down. They didn't
have like a second gear. Not a lot of college
basketball team shoot well. So if you get no Ale,
Michigan State can be a little bit of trouble. I
think it's been a fun tournament. I cannot wait for
Duke in Houston, cannot wait, can out wait.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
For you to give us a bracket update. Now that's
what I'm very excited about.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Tom anything over there, No, no, nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Because I got a little chalky with it, as the
kids like to say, And uh, you know what do
we We got four number one seeds, but they're the
best teams by so far.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
It's not even close. Feels like it.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Here we go Colin right, Colin wrong on a Monday,
where Colin was right. Two SEC teams in the final four,
four in the final eight.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's not close.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Outside of Duke, nobody in the ACC really did much
the ACC, I mean the SEC, the athletes, the lane.
I picked Auburn as my number one, Florida maybe the
best team. It's just a deeper, better conference. We've been
saying this since early January on this show. Are you
watching SEC basketball? Because it looks like the ACC about
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six years ago? And here's Bruce Pearl, Auburn coach, on
the conference.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Everybody in the SEC has invested. It just means more.
And I said this at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
The team's at the autom of our league are investing
very similarly to the teams in the middle, in the
top of the league.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
There's just not that much difference.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
There isn't.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Where Colin was roughed I started thinking too much. I
did not have Duke in the final four because three
freshmen play over twenty minutes, and I thought they were
too young. Well, they're all so great. They're favored by
four and a half over a great Houston team. Their
average winning margin this is much like Yukon last year.
They're winning by twenty three points a game. So they've
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got athleticism, coaching, length, depth, and the best player easily
in Cooper Flat where Colin was right, Well, I said
the Dodgers. And this is without Freeman, Freddy Freeman and
Mookie Bets being one hundred percent and without Otani pitching.
Yet I think this is the best roster I've ever seen.
And according to Baseball Stats, the Dodgers are the first
team in baseball history to go five to zero with
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thirty plus runs scored, twenty plus walks drawn, ten plus
home runs, fifty five strikes, and zero errors committed. They
do not have a hole. It is a virtual all
star team. And again, depth of talent, pitching, bullpen, it's
like nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I've ever seen. Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, I thought the.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yankees would pull back a little without Garrett Cole who
knew they would revolutionize the torpedo bat. They have fifteen
home runs in three games. It's Babe Ruth on HGH,
Babe Ruth multiplied and for the record, Aaron Judges are
using them. But they have legally. The dimensions of the
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bat haven't changed. The length hasn't changed, the weight hasn't changed.
They've just redistributed the bulk of the bat toward the
label for a couple of batters and it is working.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Wonders where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I've said this cowboy team is top heavy and in
trouble in Stephen Jones admitted this week and that yeah,
free agency got a little more expensive than we could afford.
And again in February, I was quoted saying, this is
the big brand in the country that is reeling and
reeling fast, and they went cheap on a head coach.
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They've slowly been dying for a couple of years. I
know the twelve win thing, but if they pay Micah,
that'll be Micah Deck and Ceedee Lamb have produced one
playoff win and that was over that sub five hundred Tampa.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Team where Colin was real a.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Minute I started supporting John Calipari. He blew a sixteen
point lead and lost in the tournament the minute I
put my arms around him. It is hard to blow
a big lead late in college basketball simply because there
are not a lot of potent offenses in the sport.
And Arkansas got outscored twenty seven to eleven down the stretch.
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They probably should have called a time out to slow
it down. They didn't, and the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I said, Aaron Rodgers has all the leverage the Steelers.
He should take his dear sweet time, and he is.
Aaron Rodgers and DK Metcalf had a throwing session at UCLA,
and Aaron's telling you maybe I'll take it, maybe I won't.
I'm leaning toward he's gonna take it now. But this
is what I said, if you don't have urgency with
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a quarterback position, this is what happened to Washington with
Sam Hallen, It's what's happened with Mike Tomlin and the Steelers.
They just don't take quarterback and offense seriously enough. Where
Colin was raw, I hated this story. That receiver who
I loved at Arizona t mac with quoted as saying
this weekend. I'm not a big fan of watching film.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I don't watch football. That's not what you want to say.
That's that's got Johnny Manziel vibes all over it, bro,
the great Ones, the Larry Fitzgerald's, the Jerry Rice, it's
you got a care, it's prep. It's not just hanging
out with your receiver group. If you want to separate
in any position. This is a sport where cognitive function
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and commitment is really big. I love this kid out
of college, but this is a I mean, this is
a If I need a receiver, I may wait till
the next round kind of.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Comment where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I've said wide receivers the convertible sports car of football.
It's fun, it's flashy, doesn't produce a lot of playoff wins.
Hyreek Hill this weekend, once out of Miami, hinted at
multiple trades in multiple posts on x Kansas City has
been to three Super Bowl since he's left Miami has
produced zero playoff wins since he arrived.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I think he's a good player. I love to have
him on my team, But there is something about this
position that just creates personality plus and it this is
wife said watch out with dk met kafin Pittsburgh. I
don't know what it is with the position, but this
is something that is way too common and a bit
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of a nuisance for Miami. Makes answer questions you don't.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Have to deal with.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
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Speaker 1 (07:07):
So we talked about this yesterday our leadoff hitter again.
Today is baseball. So Ellie Dala Cruz plays for the
Cincinnati Reds and he's one of the great players in
baseball that doesn't play for the Yankees of the mat
To the Dodgers, or the Phillies or the Atlanta Braves
of the Houston Astros. Ellie Daala Cruz a couple of
home runs, seven RBI's last night.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
He used the torpedo bat.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And now listen, the Minnesota Twins used the torpedo bat
this weekend and got swept and scored six runs. So
it's like Harry Potter, the wand is choosing the Wizard,
all right, but it's another win for baseball. More runs,
more action, more base runners, ten teams now are averaging
six runs. So last week I had Rob mannfor the
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Commissioner of Baseball and I said, you've got parody. The
only problem is the pitchers are dominating hitters. You have
too many teams hitting two forty, like half the league.
This morning you got seven teams hitting over two ninety.
And it's not slowing the game down. Last night Cincinnati
scored fourteen runs into two hours and twenty five minutes.
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So unlike when pitching dominates and pitching changes and you
go to the bullpen and you bring on the fifth guy,
those games get into three hours and fifteen minutes into
Tuesday Wednesday night. Nobody has that time takes you forty
minutes to get to the ballpark, fifty five minutes to
get home. People have lives eighty one home games. You
got a create urgency. So we're now getting more offense,
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more hitting, and and again not everybody is using the bats.
And you know, steroids was different. This is like legal HGH.
Steroids would take guys that were non home run hitters
and I don't even need to mention names, and suddenly
they were in the race for the American League MVP.
That would also help guys like Barry Bonds allegedly right.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Or other guys.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
But you felt like a lot of times you were
taking like TRIPLEA players and they were making the big
leagues because of HGH. This is totally legal, and it's
amazing when you embrace innovation and don't fight it as
a sport and baseball, man, baseball is on a heater.
Increase the size of the basis, you know, end extra
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ending games, faster, speed the game up, defensive shift, torpedo bats,
more offense, more guys stealing bases, more action. And you know,
it's like Grandpa got a sports car, Baseball decided, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
What we're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
We're gonna join the Pilates class and be hip And
of all the sports, baseball now is doing more stuff
right and again, Ellie Dayala cruise is great. But if
you give Gordon Ramsey fresher seafood and better ingredients, you
get a five star meal.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And that's what you're getting here.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So I mean, I, Aaron Judge and OTAWNI are not
using it yet and I'm not sure they have to.
But this, this is not creating greatness. That was the
illegal stuff. You know, this is just kind of enhancing greatness.
Ellie Day La Cruz is amazing, like now he's amazing. Plus,
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and the Yankees led baseball last year in home runs,
and they're gonna lead it with home runs. Plus they're
not making something again. There is clear magic in these bats,
but it's helping Gordon Ramsay more than the guy at Appleby's.
It's not making the Applebee's guy, you know, a Michelin chef.
But it's taking the really good players and they're just
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harder to get out. But it's not extending the length
of the game so far. And here's Terry Francona after.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
I think he it's more of the player than the bat.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I really meant that before the game.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I still do.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, yeah, I know it is, but it's for real
and you better embrace it. I don't care if it's
the one and done, the transfer vortal, I don't care
if it's three point shots. Don't get rigid on this
stuff works or to the bats.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So the Lakers won last night, but it was very unconventional.
So the Lakers don't play defense a lot. Luca is
not good at it. Austin Reeves is okay, Lebron picks
and chooses ones he wants to play defense. So the
Lakers last night, they beat Memphis the other night. And
the reason it's a big deal is they just beat
Houston last night a two seed and they beat Memphis
a five seed. And why that's a big deal because
the Lakers really pick and choose one and they want
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to play defense. Lebron's old Luca didn't like it, and
Austin Reeves is limited, so they pick and choose when
they play defense. And here comes Houston last night. And
Houston is fast, they're young, they're twitchy, and they're the
kind of team that would give the Lakers fits. And
the Lakers held them under one hundred points. And this
Laker team, when they decide to play defense is good.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
They're ten to one. They just don't play it a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And when you watch this game last night, Dorian Finnie
Smith that is on the floor and you only got
thirty six points total from Lebron and Luca. So this
was one of those games where guys, the guys aren'
humming at the top.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
We gotta play defense.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And I will say this about the Lakers is they
need home court advantage. So the Lakers are twenty nine
and nine at home. They're a very good home team.
They're not the best in the league, but they're very good.
They're surprisingly awful on the road. They're sub five hundred.
Generally top six or seven teams in the NBA can
be five hundred or better.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
On the road.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Boston Celtics, by the way, often played better on the
road than at home when the Warriors were great. Remember
when they went into that final against the Celtics, they
played their best game in Boston. Cross country tired, older players.
So the Lakers are not not a very good road team.
I'm not exactly sure why, but this is the way
it's sizing up. So the Lakers need a few things
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they need to be They need to have a home
court series in the playoffs. They are also and they
know it. These games against Houston, like last night in Memphis,
are important because it will give them a week off
with an older roster. Lebron is an older player. It'll
give them a week off to watch the playing stuff.
But when they play defense, it's a real team they've gotten.
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I've been very critical of the Lakers front office, but
right now, offensively they can match out with anybody in
the league maybe except Boston. That's probably about it. Boston
is so deep, so many shooters. But the Lakers have
three playmakers. I think four guys I would trust to
take a big shot, two defensive specialists, and an excellent coach.
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And last night when you watch them play defense, and
this is probably the effort you will get in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Pretty good team. Here's JJ Reddick after.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I think the.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Competitive spirit in togetherness, we're going to play really hard
tonight to put ourselves in a position to win the
basketball game. You know, we weathered some misshots, did a
good job of taking care of the basketball, emptied the.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Tank on the defensive end.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It was fantastic for the record, just for fun, we're
going to make some assumptions here, but the playoffs if
they were to end today, and we're making a couple
of playing a kind of work in the lakers favor. Okay,
So there are teams that match up with the Lakers.
Clippers are actually a pretty good matchup with They've got
a legit big they've got a great coach. Well, the
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Clippers would open up with a thunder that series. That's
not gonna work for them. Also, Lakers would open up
with the Grizzlies, a team that's got kind of a
mess right now.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
The coaching staff. They just fired their coach.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You don't trust I mean, John Morants not having a
good year shooting Memphis right now. You want to peek
at the end of the year. They're a mess at
the end of the year. That's great for the Lakers. Nuggets, Warriors.
Nugget's gonna win that series. That's a bad matchup for
the Warriors. But you know what, I wouldn't want to
face Steph and Jimmy Butler either. That would be one
of the few teams the Lakers could face that has
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as much playoff experience. The Warriors are gonna get knocked
out by the Nuggets. They cannot stop Jokics. They just
do not match up at all. Draymond Green's great. He
acknowledges it. We can't do anything. And then Rockets and
Tea Wolves. I don't know who I would take there.
That's a go either. I may take the Tea Wolves.
That's a close one. That's a goo oh either way
series based on health. But it works out. You get
the Clippers out, they've got experience, you get the Warriors out,
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they've got experience. Uh, and then it's potentially the young Rockets,
young OKC and a Denver team, which, by the way,
the Lakers have beaten this year. They've always played even
when Denver was clearly better pre Luca, the Lakers always
played Denver close. Now they have the offensive firepower. So
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it's just some assumptions here. But that defensive effort last
night felt a little bit like a playoff game. Dorian
Finney Smith playing a real defense. You know, you're not
getting a perfect night from Luke and Lebron, although they
gave you thirty six points. Austin Reeves was good, but
you needed other elements. They were at home. Close game
held the team under one hundred. Very playoff field for
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the Lakers. I can't get over the torpedo, betch j Mack.
I can't get over it. The whole thing's crazy. It's
just get on. Can we get one on set this weekend?
You put a special order in.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I'd love to.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Feel it and swing it just to see it's like, yeah,
it's uh, you know, people are I've said this, if
the Twins or Orioles were using them and that was it,
nobody would care. Some of this is the Yankees. It's
like the Toush push. If Jacksonville was doing the Tousch push,
nobody would really care. It's the Eagles. They're dominating. Nobody
can stop it. You know, we all know this. Everybody
roots against Duke, yet everybody watches Duke. Everybody hates the
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Toush push. But the ratings for the Super Bowl set
a record. We know how the world works in sports
fans in America work, but it is it is crazy
what it's doing.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, it's weird. There is a gambling parallel.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Sometimes you'll find a slight edge in gambling for a
little while and you'll beat the market, and then everybody
will piggyback. For instance, Lakers first quarterbits, Well guess what
then the team's adjust I'm curious how the pitchers will
adjust to the torpedo bats if this keeps up, Like, are.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
There radical adjustments to be made?
Speaker 8 (16:47):
I don't know.
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Speaker 1 (17:53):
So the NFL Draft is obviously, and we'll talk about
that with mcshay's here, I mentes it's coming up in
three weeks. So Steph Curry overshadowed by Jokich having sixty one.
Steph Curry had fifty two last night, hit a dozen
three pointers, Warriors beat.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
The fading Grizzlies. So I always think about this.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
We've talked about this, how certain players in the NBA
are great, Kevin Durant, Carmelo, Anthony, James Harden, They're not influential.
Shack was great, he wasn't that influential, Magic Bird Lebron,
Steph Curry are influential. It's like Jeff Bezos is rich
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and influential. He ended males, he changed retail in America.
That's influential. Elon Musk even before Doge, you know, politics
aside automotive industry, space industry like that. Larry Ellison is
really rich one hundred and ninety two billion, He owns
half a Hawaii. He doesn't he doesn't feel half as
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influential as like Steve Jobs did, like brought art into
tech ry. Elsons just a really smart guy. Uh that
and super rich. Uh And that's kind of the difference
is Steph Curry. You know Tim Duncan and Wilt great influential,
just great. Steph's just different, I mean, change basketball overseas
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au basketball. And we always knew he would be a
guy that would age well. Smart athletes age well. They
take care of their body. Uh you know guys that
are still go to nightclubs or don't eat right, or
they're not intentional you know with their training, they they
age very quickly. I always said Cam Newton and Big
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Ben aged very quickly. Brady really intentional with his diet,
pilates training, aged incredibly well. And Steph falls into that class.
But it's just it's it's really remarkable what he's done.
He is and he's not athletically a force of nature
Shack was. But the second best part of Steph he
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just works well with everybody. Right, you don't get a
lot of ego. And I've said international soccer, in the NBA,
you know, listen, it's about the star as much as
the team. See, you got to battle some of the egostuff.
I mean, Lebron's got an ego, but Lebron plays well
with others. D Wade has an ego, he played well
with others. Carmelo not so much. He kind of wanted
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to be the guy. He was threatened by Jeremy Lynn
at one point. So I think Steph's aging well and
Steve Kerr talking about it.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
I can't believe he's still still doing this at this age,
but he's put the work in and he still got it.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
How much do you think that week off he just
had maybe boosted.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
It a little bit. I think it helped.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
And I think two rounds of golf on this road
trip helped.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
I'm only half joking, you know, he but yeah, the
week off was helpful for him. I think he looks recharged, rejuvenated.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
How about this Lakers Warriors, if the playoffs started today,
would meet. Now, that's not what you want. You want
those two advanced. You want the story to be expanded.
You love the Lakers and Warriors to win and then
meet in the second or the third round. But that's
where it is today. I will tell you I was
thinking about this Lakers Warriors. The Warriors have a really
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deep bench, and the bench gives you Looney and post
give you size, Buddy, heal gives you shooting, kaminga gives
you athleticism. The Warriors have one of the better benches
like the Boston Celtics in the NBA in the playoffs, though,
are you gonna trust Gie Santos?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Are you gonna play them a lot? I'm not sure
if you are. Are you gonna play post a lot?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You know the guy from the Netherlands, Are you gonna
play him a lot in the postseason?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
You'll play Looney more so. But it's getting real interesting now.
The thunder in the Rockets, especially the Thunder, have pulled
away from everybody. Man, it is really really how good
I mean, the Timberwolves are seven. That is a good team.
That is that is an all time great number seven seed.
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Do we have the Eastern Conference standings for us? Because
think about this, Like you could get Kawhi Leonard, you
can get depth Zubot's the center, Like the Clippers are
a good team. They're not a great team, and you
never know who's gonna actually play, but it's a good team.
Timberwolves as a seven seed compared to a seven seed
in the East like that. And I've said this, I
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don't know exactly why this is, but the Western Conference,
like I understand why the SEC is better in college football.
The footprint there's all these unbelievable athletes, these totally addicted
high school football programs. Like I get wife. High school
football is good in Dallas or Georgia or Florida, like
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I get it. The Western Conference has been so much
deeper and better than the Eastern Conference. Now, I do
think the Celtics and the Caps are the two best teams,
but the Orlando Magic are three games under five hundred.
They're a seven seed in the East. And the Tea
Wolves that just beat the Nuggets with a great staff,
they're a seven seed in the West. So the gap
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is significant. Well, a buddy NFL draft college analyst now
he's at the Ringer.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Good for him.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Todd McShay, haven't talked in a while, joining us live
in the Herd.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Todd, how are you.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Great to have you on, Congrats on your success and
congrats on.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Going to the Ringer.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Man.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Thanks man, it's good to talk to you. It's been
a minute. You were always supportive of me at are
during our last adventure, if you will adventure, certainly at
a ESPN and it's great to catch up with you.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So it's all I keep hearing from my people in
the league is this is not a great draft, and
I'm like, Okay, there's got to be a couple areas
that you like it. So if I said to you,
give me two position groups todd that you'll go to
the well on and you'll say, Okay, it's a good
year for what in this draft?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Running back, some defensive line colin. I mean, I was
looking at it the other day. I went back thirty
years and then I kind of got I kind of
got bored in the last thirty years. I think it
was twenty six defensive lineman. That was the highest number
we've seen and talking interior defensive lineman and edge. And
this year I've got thirty five players along the interior
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and at edge that could get drafted in the first
three rounds. So even if I'm off by like eight,
if my evaluation's too high on eight of these guys,
it still will be a record number of interior defensive
linemen and edge defenders that come off the board. And
then at running back, this is this is the best
group I've ever evaluated. I've been doing it twenty five years.
(24:41):
And it starts with Astron Jindy, Right, Who's going to
be a worst case he goes ten to Chicago we
could see him go six to the Raiders. I mean,
he's if you when I'm talking to guys in the league,
it's like, yeah, he's a running back, but I've got
a grade on him. That's like just to tick below
the two guys that everyone's talking about in Abdul Carter,
(25:03):
the edge rusher from Peded State, and Travis Hunter, the
generational talent both sides of the ball from Colorado. And
then beyond just genty, you've got Omari and Hampton, who's
like two twenty plus, light on his feet, powerful, best
mistackles force of any running back after the catch is
a receiver. So he's got that combinations. Yeah, Oh, he's unbelievable.
(25:24):
I've got eighteen guys, Colin and at the running back
position the first four rounds with grades the three year
average is ten. We're talking about almost twice as much
talent in the first four. Yeah, it's crazy. And you
go down the list of these guys and it's beyond
genty and Hampton, it's Trevon Henderson and Kuchan Judkins from
Ohio State who are just first of all, nasty blockers,
(25:47):
both explosive, Judkins more powerful Henderson faster and more dangerous
in the passing game. Then you've got Caleb Johnson from Iowa,
who is great in that zone blocking scheme. Am Scataboo,
who was like he was awesome when you watched him
on TV, and then putting on the tape, I actually
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even liked him more. And I know he's gonna eat
runs in the four sixes and all of that, but
he's a phenomenal back. And then even beyond that, you've
got RJ. Harvey from UCF, DJ Giddons from Kansas State,
lesser known guys who are gonna come off the board
in the first few rounds. I just I love this
class of running backs. And you've seen it Colin Wright,
(26:27):
like with cover two defenses and everyone in the league
spreading things out. Everything's cyclical, right, you spread these these
defenses out. The passing game heavy in the last decade
of the NFL. Now teams are trying to figure out
art how do we counter that? And it's not We've
seen a resurgence at running back and yes, this talent
is outstanding and that a lot of these guys would
(26:48):
go regardless, irregardless of the year. But with the NFL
and defenses playing that cover two, making you kind of
drive the ball down the field, trying to avoid the
big plays from the past, Trick Mahomes and the Josh
Allens and all these big armed quarterbacks. You've got to
have a running back now to counter it who's explosive.
And that's why you saw, That's why you saw Detroit.
Everyone was yelling at Brad Holmes, the GM for the
(27:11):
Lions a couple of years with Jamier Gibbs, can't draft
a running back that high. You already got a running back.
Well look at what that did to that offense. And
when the starter goes out a few weeks, and when
you've got both of them healthy, it just elevated things.
I think that's what we're seeing in the NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Okay, so cam Wore the playmaker, got little Kleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I see it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I get it better armed than Shadure. If I said
to you, and you're hearing stories about this Chadure Sanders,
Jackson Dart. Are there people you believe that Gray Jackson
Dart ahead of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
I know of one team that does. I can tell
you that there's there's thirty one other teams, and that
team may not draft either of these these quarterbacks. But
I can tell you that at least one team in
the league has a slightly higher grade on Jackson Dart
than they do on Shador Sanders, and so to me,
I have identical grades on them. I watched Shackson dark
(28:06):
and listen. I like Schador Sanders a lot. Doesn't have
a huge arm, does not have mobility. I think that's
the biggest mistake in the evaluation, at least early in
the process. Well, he's coach prime Son. He's fast. He's
not fast at all. I bet you he'd run like
a I don't know, four to eight in the forty
if he ever ran one, and he's never going to.
(28:28):
But what I do love about him is I think
he's the fastest processor of all these quarterbacks in the
passing game. Now, his instincts in terms of the pocket
and kind of extending and drifting and always looking for
the home run and not taking the short change, those
sorts of things he'll manage through. And if people don't
like him, what they say is he has some of
the bad habits that Caleb Williams had the cause of
(28:50):
problems as a rookie, but he doesn't have the armor,
and he is a fraction of the athleticism. But the
people who love him love the fact that he's the
best pure passer in terms of touch, timing, layering the football,
and he's the fastest processor in this class. Now you
go to Jackson Dart, bigger arm, bigger kid, more mobile.
(29:12):
I think accuracy is good, but it's not quite at
the level of Shadora. But the thing that made me
fall in love with him. And listen, the detractors will say, well,
Lane Kiffen that offense, they run that same sale route
concept and they'll run it three four times a game,
and they do things over and over again, predetermined reads,
And yeah, that's true. It doesn't mean he can't do
(29:32):
it. It's a matter of getting with him and figuring out
how he learns. Can he go through NFL reads and
all those things. But when I fell in love with
Jackson Dart, there's when you have the tape access that
we have, like the PFF Ultimate combined with the catapult,
this whole system. You can go in and do cutups,
go in and watch his cutups on his intermediate throws
(29:55):
ten to twenty five yards and watch his accuracy compared
to a lot of other guys in this class. And
then the thing that really jumped out to me. I
watched over twelve hundred snaps in like a five day
span of these quarterbacks versus pressure. His was so significantly better,
and I saw a lot of like, I know, he's
not the size and he doesn't have the arm, but
(30:15):
a lot of the same things that makes Josh Allen
special in terms of avoiding, quickly eluding, but calm, this
presence about him as he's rolling out and seeing the field.
He was so much better in those versus pressure moments
to throw that one hundred and sixty one clip reel
that I went through than all of these other quarterbacks were.
That to me, spoke volumes because that in the NFL,
(30:37):
you've got you have got to make intermediate throws and
you've got to be able to work under pressure. And
he did both of those at all miss at a
very high level.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Okay, Travis Hunter, First of all, I think he's gonna
be good at whatever he does. But if I was
a coach, I'd be like, I'd rather have twelve targets
than chasing the other team's best receiver around, I can
get a corner in the fifth. There is no more
lockdown corner as good as Patrick's or tan is. There's
so much motion, so many sets, the great offensive coaches
(31:08):
making it virtually impossible to get your hands on anybody.
If I'm New England and I can get twelve targets
for this kid, fly sweeps, bubbles, screens, I don't know.
To me, I think he's an offensive player in the
NFL if we want to put him in a nickel
because we love his athletic ability, But don't just see
him as an offensive guy in an offensive league.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
You know what's funny, Like, there's there's two trains of
thought thought here. The first is cornerback. It's hard to
play wide receiver full time, and then kind of moonlight
or minor at the cornerback position right right. And so
so coaches get involved in this process and they're like, yeah,
I understand it, but we can put in installs every
(31:50):
week and have like a twenty play package for Travis
on the offensive side, And so from a coaching standpoint,
that makes more sense. Let's keep him in the corner
back room. He can do some things and work with
wide receivers and work with the quarterback on the field,
and we can meet separately with those, but let's make
him a corner and then do the install and some
packages for him on offense. Okay, but the talent and
(32:14):
what you're saying those two factors, I think he's actually
a better wide receiver. I think he's at his best
with the ball in his hand. And the thing that
goes like we all get so caught up in what
we're showing the highlights right, how quick he is, how
sudden he is. He's a dynamic athlete. I'm telling you, Colin,
he's up there in like the top five of wide
(32:35):
receivers in terms of ball skills in like the past
decade that I've evaluated. It goes so and so, while
that's great at corner, how many interceptions is he really
going to have? So the average guy would get three,
maybe he gets five in a year. But if I
can have that weapon, who's that reliable and refine him
a little bit of as a route runner, and I
already think he's a little bit more refined as a
(32:56):
receiver and than a corner, I tend to agree. If
he falls to New England at four you're telling me
that they're looking at that and saying, well, sorry, sorry,
Drake May, We're gonna play mcorner, but we'll give you
like twenty snaps no chance. Man. It will come down
to the team that drafts him in what they need
from him, and then the kind of the load management
(33:18):
NBA stuff with him and trying to keep him healthy.
But ultimately, I want to get the ball in this
guy's hands, and I think you know, we all know
that offense is the way to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Todd mcshae now at the Ringer.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
One last question on this because when I was a kid,
I mean I can remember the top two or three
tight ends Dave Casper for the Raiders because there were
so few of them. Kellen Winslow, Well, I always had
this theory is that as people got bigger, as athletes
got bigger, and we've just got more six foot five,
(33:50):
two hundred and forty pound men playing sports, and they've
got good hands because they played on their high school
basketball team, and so you know, the humans are getting
a little bigger. But what's interesting about the tight end
is we just have so many great six five, two
hundred and thirty five pound high school athletes all over
the country, and it's like, well, let's put him at
(34:11):
tight end. Some can block, some can't. But I look
at the tight end position now and I never thought
tight end was a first round position. Brock Powers total outlier,
best college tight end I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Kyle Pitt's not.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
As good as I thought I But I do look
at Tyler Warren at Penn State and I was I
watched that USC game and I'm sitting there and I'm like, dude,
if I had to do could he throw the ball?
Could I put him in the backfield? What do you
make of him as a prospect? Because I keep hearing
it to a weak draft, and I'm like, if you
(34:44):
told me one guy went in this draft and we
look five years later.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
And went mad.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
We just didn't get how good this guy was.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
He is different.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
What do you make of him historically as comp and
the Penn State tight end he is.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
I mean, he's he's six five and two thirds and
he's two hundred and fifty six pounds and when you
see him like break tackles and rumbling after the catch,
You're like, yeah, he's every bit of that. Then you
see him as a as a route runner as an athlete.
I mean he snapped the ball and then in that
game and went and caught a touchdown passing the USC
(35:20):
so like he could just kind of he's kind of
different that you can and people are like, well, he's
not a great blocker, Like yeah, no kidding, like he
was doing everything else and yeah, he's got to improve
in that area. I think he's so good after the catch.
I think he knows how to get open, even though
he doesn't separate like Colston Lovelin. If you want a
wide receiver at tight end, that's your guy. Yeah, he
(35:42):
doesn't block, like he's terrible at blocking. Let's just call
it what it is. Colston Lovelin's a wide and he's
he's a little bit more like brock Bauers just to
tick behind him. In terms of talent, Warren is different man,
Like you're watching the highlights here. He reminds me more
of Gronk. If Loveland is is Bow or Kelsey in
that mode, this guy's Gronk in that he's he's going
(36:05):
to become a serviceable blocker. But what he does so
well is he's gonna find a way to get open
versus zone boxing. Guys out catch the ball, and then
after the catch, he creates so many yards with his
combination of his athleticism and then the fact that he's
just barreling through guys. So and then also there's this
guy named Elijah Arroyo who's six', five two hundred and
(36:27):
fifty one pounds From, miami who looks like he's about
two thirty the way he carries his. Weight he had
one year of great production At. Miami this past year
had some, injuries but if he stays, healthy he's got
a chance to be a. Star and Then Jason taylor's,
Son Mason taylor wasn't even utilized all that well AT.
LSU a lot of underneath and like really stretch the
seam and do those sorts of. Things he's he's the
(36:49):
same guy six four and a half two hundred and
fifty one pounds as a royo and has an unbelievable
skill set across the. Board those four tight ends have
a chance to make it's significant mark early in their
careers and throughout their. Careers AND i think all four
of them are gonna be off the touch off the,
board probably in the top forty to forty five.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Picks, todd you look, great you sound. Great happy for.
You you landed in a great. Spot say hi To
bill and the. Fellas what a crush my?
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Fridays thursdays because we're Doing best of The.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Herd tomorrow we have The final FOUR Nba playoffs around the.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Corner by the, way are you perturbed by the Chalky final?
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Four?
Speaker 3 (37:45):
NO i think it's.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Great got a lot of, outrage faux, outrage you know that. Nonsense,
oh there's no great. Games you have to be careful
about confirmation. Bias there's a kind of a legendary college
basketball sports better and he got crushed in this Urn. Boston,
Yeah i'm familiar with his, work crushed, crazy but he's
he was a good gambler.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Bright, yeah, yeah but he loves mid. Majors he loves
the little, guy AND i think that's. Something it's confirmation.
Bias you're, like, oh the little, guy the little, guy
never forget In, america everybody it wants to eat the.
Rich why do people play the? Lottery they want to be.
Rich let's not pretend like you know it's, so it's
a lot of it's just. Envy and the same thing
is for mid majors is that you know those coaches
(38:26):
at mid majors, privately they'd rather coach At kentucky and
play with better, coach better, players bigger nil budget of,
course so the mid major's always been. Overstated they're a
little undervalued, historically but the nil has changed. That you,
know the mid major guy gets good And i'll hear you,
know From dayton or, something and then all of a,
sudden you, Know syracuse or You, connor, like you know,
what you could be our third best starter or a best.
(38:47):
Starter so that's the way society. Works people talented people have.
OPTIONS i saw something the other day on TikTok where
they were talking about an average looking man has to
wipe two hundred times on what's that, site tender tender
to get one cup.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Of coffee with a. Date what does a woman have to?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Do, well IT'S i, DIDN'T i don't know, that but they,
said and of the four of the five times they get,
coffee they won't get a second. Coffee SO i mean
just things are easier when you have certain, height, looks. Talent,
well the coaches want to coach the best, players and
players want to play with the best, players and so you,
know the nil is a long time. Coming so if
(39:30):
you are a believer in paying college, athletes the same
people that are upset about mid majors disappearing In march
are also the same people that want athletes to get.
Paid here's the way it works In. America the minute
you pay college, athletes you're going to have a hierarchy very,
(39:52):
quickly and people are going to, separate and you're going
to find out your market. Value and so you know
that all the people that were fighting for the little
guy to get, paid he getting paid now a lot By,
kentucky Not. Dayton so that's just the market.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Speaking it's like In Major League, baseball a lot of
these lower end, teams the owners that don't want to,
spend they're essentially farm systems for The yankees and The.
Dodgers and that's how it's working in. Baseball that's definitely
what's happening in college football and.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Basketball all these small market baseball teams for years were
propped up by the regional, networks which was The fox.
Business When fox sold it and other people couldn't run
it Like, fox it dried. Up and it's Hurt pittsburgh
And cincinnati And Kansas city and The. Mariners so it's
(40:42):
like the truth eventually comes. Out the big gobble up
the small and that's all that's happening With. Nil the
big and the bigger bankrolls are smaller swallowing up the
smaller Bankrell you see it in, tech you see it
in every.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Industry all, right let's do it.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Tomorrow those headlines, today he wants the headline For florida
And auburn TWO sec hot bets for hoops these.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Days two GREAT sec. Teams got some good news For
auburn auburp where it just came. Out the headline will
be join us For Crocktail, Hour gator shots go down.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
EASY i Have florida taken Down.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Auburn, however it just was revealed That auburn Star, broom
the big fella who has just been getting double doubles
in like the first, half he practiced fully. Today he
will Play saturday in the final. Four he missed practice
the last two, days so there was some. Concern remember
the elbow in the. Knee, Now broom is an excellent.
PLAYER i think he's like twenty three years. Old, However
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florida has the DEPTH i think to. Handle they got
four guys that they can throw at the big fella From,
auburn AND i give a slight edge To florida the.
Backwork BUT i will say my favorite player in this
game Is, pettiford the lefty backup point, guard the freshman For.
Auburn he is so. Smooth i've been saying he's a lottery.
PICK a lot of people are, like, no, no you
watch if he. Plays Clayton tottoe is a Great florida point.
(42:01):
GUARD i think we'll Hear petiford is a lottery. PICK
i Think florida narrowly.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Escapes All, right here's a game that's going to be.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Great tomorrow's headlines Today houston And duke defense against.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Offense what's say?
Speaker 5 (42:12):
You?
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Yeah remember after we did The CALCUTTA i came, ON i,
said we Got.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Duke i'm A Duke Blue devils. FAN i want A
cooper flag.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Jersey the, headline, Well, hey The dukes Of Hazzard cougar's
wave the white flag and that Is. FLAGG i Got
cooper flag And duke. Advancing, However, colin some of these
analytics guys have put this in front of.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Me you got a. START i don't know if it's out.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
There the top twenty five defense Is duke has faced
in the last month. Zero you have to go back
to The clemson game in Early february.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
For a top twenty five.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Defense duke lost that, game so they haven't played a good.
Defense alabama don't play, Defense baylor does not play. Defense
houston's the number one defense in the. Country close games
will be a. Test there's a big. Divide the spread is.
Five colin take the. Points, However Ken, palm the number one,
analytics says this is a two point, game and there's
another analytics site that says it As.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Houston by, one so there is a.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Divide the publishers will be potentially the best college basketball
game men or women of the.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Year, YES i think it will be absolutely. PHENOMENAL i
Think duke. WINS i don't Trust houston and like clutch.
Situations they've played some some tough. Games they have an
edge in the back. Court but how you not riding
With Cooper?
Speaker 3 (43:21):
FLAG i give Me.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Duke tomorrow's headlines. Today so who do you? Like The National?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Championship Duke florida in The. NATTY a lot of people had.
This you probably had. It oh, no you didn't have
it in your breath because you didn't Go. Chalky the
headline will be kurt to see. Flush duke cleans the
rim and cuts down the. Nets, Listen John shires done
a tremendous. Job we have an awesome. Team they got
three guys who could go in the top. Twenty the
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big seven footer in the, Middle Cooper, flag and then
of Course, canipple who's very. GOOD i like proc to
the Guard. Colin this is just a great basketball. Team
the one interesting thing is they are one of the youngest.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Teams, yes that's WHY i didn't take. Them a lot
of freshmen and.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Sophomores and it's, like, oh that's tough going up against
the grown men Of florida and the grown men Of.
Houston BUT i Think duke. PREVAILS i just Think Cooper
flag is too. Good you can't hold him down that.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Long all, Right so big one Tonight Lakers. Warriors let's,
go what's the headline going to be for The Western?
Conference tomorrow's headlines today lived deep Loaded Western conference to
The National Basketball.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Association so next couple weeks on the show are going
to be, wacky AND i figure we get our NF
nba prediction out of the way in The. West, okay
se he's won what sixty three?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Games how many Is denver? ONE i don't.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Know the headline for.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
The Western conference will Be luca tick, Fringe lakers going
off the rails on a crazy.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Trade i'm, SORRY i think they're going to The Western conference. Finals.
COLIN i don't think anybody's standing in their.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Way remember how they had like a twenty two game
sample size where they were the best defense in the,
league and then they kind.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Of cratered in all of.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
This they're not that, good. Folks they played eight games
in twelve. Days they were exhausted due to the. Acts
lebron was, Hurt reese was. Hurt everybody's healthy, Now, colin
And i'm just telling you This lakers team totally. Complete
we're having discussions during the commercial break about who's going
to Defend Austin Reeves like tonight and in the, playoffs
he is a tough. Matchup you Got, luca, obviously you Have.
(45:16):
Lebron this is a great litmus test tonight against The.
Warriors apparently, tickets it's a, tough tough ticket to get in.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Tonight you probably could if, you uh, Well i'm an. Influencer,
yeah that's how it. Came So lakers to The Western
conference finals for.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Sure, finally tomorrow's headlines today the more Predictable Eastern conference.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Y's it was supposed to Be celtics And, knicks but
then The calves have come out of nowhere and they're a.
Challenger the headline in The east will, Right i'd rather
be a Rich zingis.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Than a Poor.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
Zingis boston Breaks bank back to.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
BACK i JUST i Like boston too.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
MUCH i think get gone through the motions a little
bit at times this, season you, know, like, hey we
just won the, title AND i think that's Enable cleveland
to look better than they. Are My Nix brunson still
not back. Yet they haven't matched up great with The.
Celtics SO i Think boston's the team to be in The.
East AND i think they cut down the nets again.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
This, YEAH i mean it's they have a couple of
really really sharp, Gms Danny ainge To Brad, stevens and
they just haven't been a lot of. MISSES i mean
when when you know some of this Is. Giannis jannis
wanted a better running mate with more offensive, firepower and
they Moved Drew. Holliday milwaukee loved him For dame And
dame's a defensive. Liability he's getting, older breaking, down and
(46:33):
so they Got Drew, holliday which was an upgrade Over Marcus.
Smart they were good With Marcus, Smart brown And. Tatum
now they're better Than porzingis had a great year In.
Washington nobody paid. Attention Brad stevens brings him over. Us
he's a character. Issue he breaks. Down ALL i know
is when he's on the. Floor And horford's been slinging
it for. Years and Now Peyton, pritchard.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Don't Forget Derek. White what a heist that.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
One they are just they are And i'll say it
again they they've got a spurs feed where we're not
going to pay a ton of attention because they're not
a flashy. Team we love Our Kobe, shack we love
our you, know we love Our Michael Jordan's Showtime. Lakers,
jordan we like OUR nba champ to be. Flashy in the,
seventies The sonics were, Good, Washington Golden, state they weren't.
Flashy portland was. Great that, shit and that's. Okay it's
(47:17):
not a. Criticism in THE, nfl we don't care if
you're tough and physical Like Baltimore, pittsburgh well you could
be A Super bowl. CHAMP nba we like a little
flash or we don't give you the credit you. DESERVE
i THINK i Think boston. Stacked the fact that they.
Are they can go into ANY nba Aren now they
could go Into okay c in the final and win by.
Eighteen they are they not many teams in the league
(47:38):
can do, that all, right J. Mack now you have
tomorrow off AND i have tomorrow. Off what do you
got planned for the big? Weekend you got three? THERE
i don't you.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
KNOW i got to prepare for next.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
WEEK i gotta put some takes in the, holster get them,
ready ready for, action already cooking up some.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Stuff well we'll. See i'll tell you, What Duke, houston
that is one for the.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Age If duke, Loses i'll be kind of sort of.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Devastated then it loses, luster like are you fired up
about A Houston auburn final or, he's.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
WELL i Picked auburn to, win SO i would be
would be.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah you, know it's the thing About florida And, Auburn,
florida as good as they, are they're one of those
teams that can come down and give you four or
five minutes of wasted, possessions you, know and college teams
do that a.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Lot duke.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Doesn't duke doesn't give you wasted. Possessions where you, Know,
duke they know what they, are they lean into what they,
are and they've got a sensational. Player and that's what
that's sortatly the difference of having a superstar in THE
nba is and that's What milwaukee struggles. With, Yes jannis
is their, star but he's a liability at the free throw,
Line so do you always.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Go to him?
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Late you, know the shack Without kobe or D wade
is really a, force but you didn't want him at
the free throw, line and and, so and that's Why
duncan was great when he Had mano And Tony Tony
parker because they could hit the free throws and so
that in College duke has The, okay let we need
three straight great. Possessions you just give the ball To
(49:09):
Cooper flag and get out of the. Way and Even
AUBURN i, like but they have fewer of them because
they have two guys that can get a. Bucket is
a lot of these college, teams like even the good
teams Like florida Or, houston you can get into a
little bit Of, man we've gone four straight. Possessions we
have not gotten a good look at.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
All the other concern With duke is they haven't played
a close game in a.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
While they haven't had like down to the.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Wire they had some earlier this year When Cooper flag
was eighteen and they ended up losing a couple of.
THOSE i Think kansas was, One BUT i don't really have.
CONCERNS i think they shoot free throws, great one of
the best free throw shooting teams in the.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Country, like should be. Fine, yeah my guess Is i'm
gonna Go Duke. Auburn i'll Go Duke, florida all, right
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome in live. It's the Hurt wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Kelvin Samson, great coach of
the Houston Cougars, is going to be joining us in
one hour from now. That team is That team is
a handful, and they've had a road Gonzaga perdu they
have had a road.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Tennessee got spanked.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
That game was not competitive, and Tennessee, by the way,
didn't do a lot once they fell down. They didn't
have like a second gear. Not a lot of college
basketball team shoot well. So if you get no Ale,
Michigan State can be a little bit of trouble. I
think it's been a fun tournament. I cannot wait for
Duke in Houston, cannot wait, can out wait.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
For you to give us a bracket update. Now that's
what I'm very excited about.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Tom anything over there, No, no, nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Because I got a little chalky with it, as the
kids like to say, And uh, you know what do
we We got four number one seeds, but they're the
best teams by so far.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
It's not even close. Feels like it.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Here we go Colin right, Colin wrong on a Monday,
where Colin was right. Two SEC teams in the final four,
four in the final eight.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's not close.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Outside of Duke, nobody in the ACC really did much
the ACC, I mean the SEC, the athletes, the lane.
I picked Auburn as my number one, Florida maybe the
best team. It's just a deeper, better conference. We've been
saying this since early January on this show. Are you
watching SEC basketball? Because it looks like the ACC about
(01:49):
six years ago? And here's Bruce Pearl, Auburn coach, on
the conference.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Everybody in the SEC has invested. It just means more.
And I said this at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
The team's at the autom of our league are investing
very similarly to the teams in the middle, in the
top of the league.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
There's just not that much difference.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
There isn't.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Where Colin was roughed I started thinking too much. I
did not have Duke in the final four because three
freshmen play over twenty minutes, and I thought they were
too young. Well, they're all so great. They're favored by
four and a half over a great Houston team. Their
average winning margin this is much like Yukon last year.
They're winning by twenty three points a game. So they've
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got athleticism, coaching, length, depth, and the best player easily
in Cooper Flat where Colin was right, Well, I said
the Dodgers. And this is without Freeman, Freddy Freeman and
Mookie Bets being one hundred percent and without Otani pitching.
Yet I think this is the best roster I've ever seen.
And according to Baseball Stats, the Dodgers are the first
team in baseball history to go five to zero with
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thirty plus runs scored, twenty plus walks drawn, ten plus
home runs, fifty five strikes, and zero errors committed. They
do not have a hole. It is a virtual all
star team. And again, depth of talent, pitching, bullpen, it's
like nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I've ever seen. Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, I thought the.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yankees would pull back a little without Garrett Cole who
knew they would revolutionize the torpedo bat. They have fifteen
home runs in three games. It's Babe Ruth on HGH,
Babe Ruth multiplied and for the record, Aaron Judges are
using them. But they have legally. The dimensions of the
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bat haven't changed. The length hasn't changed, the weight hasn't changed.
They've just redistributed the bulk of the bat toward the
label for a couple of batters and it is working.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Wonders where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I've said this cowboy team is top heavy and in
trouble in Stephen Jones admitted this week and that yeah,
free agency got a little more expensive than we could afford.
And again in February, I was quoted saying, this is
the big brand in the country that is reeling and
reeling fast, and they went cheap on a head coach.
(04:16):
They've slowly been dying for a couple of years. I
know the twelve win thing, but if they pay Micah,
that'll be Micah Deck and Ceedee Lamb have produced one
playoff win and that was over that sub five hundred Tampa.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Team where Colin was real a.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Minute I started supporting John Calipari. He blew a sixteen
point lead and lost in the tournament the minute I
put my arms around him. It is hard to blow
a big lead late in college basketball simply because there
are not a lot of potent offenses in the sport.
And Arkansas got outscored twenty seven to eleven down the stretch.
(04:52):
They probably should have called a time out to slow
it down. They didn't, and the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I said, Aaron Rodgers has all the leverage the Steelers.
He should take his dear sweet time, and he is.
Aaron Rodgers and DK Metcalf had a throwing session at UCLA,
and Aaron's telling you maybe I'll take it, maybe I won't.
I'm leaning toward he's gonna take it now. But this
is what I said, if you don't have urgency with
(05:18):
a quarterback position, this is what happened to Washington with
Sam Hallen, It's what's happened with Mike Tomlin and the Steelers.
They just don't take quarterback and offense seriously enough. Where
Colin was raw, I hated this story. That receiver who
I loved at Arizona t mac with quoted as saying
this weekend. I'm not a big fan of watching film.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I don't watch football. That's not what you want to say.
That's that's got Johnny Manziel vibes all over it, bro,
the great Ones, the Larry Fitzgerald's, the Jerry Rice, it's
you got a care, it's prep. It's not just hanging
out with your receiver group. If you want to separate
in any position. This is a sport where cognitive function
(06:00):
and commitment is really big. I love this kid out
of college, but this is a I mean, this is
a If I need a receiver, I may wait till
the next round kind of.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Comment where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I've said wide receivers the convertible sports car of football.
It's fun, it's flashy, doesn't produce a lot of playoff wins.
Hyreek Hill this weekend, once out of Miami, hinted at
multiple trades in multiple posts on x Kansas City has
been to three Super Bowl since he's left Miami has
produced zero playoff wins since he arrived.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I think he's a good player. I love to have
him on my team, But there is something about this
position that just creates personality plus and it this is
wife said watch out with dk met kafin Pittsburgh. I
don't know what it is with the position, but this
is something that is way too common and a bit
(06:54):
of a nuisance for Miami. Makes answer questions you don't.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Have to deal with.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
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Speaker 1 (07:07):
So we talked about this yesterday our leadoff hitter again.
Today is baseball. So Ellie Dala Cruz plays for the
Cincinnati Reds and he's one of the great players in
baseball that doesn't play for the Yankees of the mat
To the Dodgers, or the Phillies or the Atlanta Braves
of the Houston Astros. Ellie Daala Cruz a couple of
home runs, seven RBI's last night.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
He used the torpedo bat.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And now listen, the Minnesota Twins used the torpedo bat
this weekend and got swept and scored six runs. So
it's like Harry Potter, the wand is choosing the Wizard,
all right, but it's another win for baseball. More runs,
more action, more base runners, ten teams now are averaging
six runs. So last week I had Rob mannfor the
(07:50):
Commissioner of Baseball and I said, you've got parody. The
only problem is the pitchers are dominating hitters. You have
too many teams hitting two forty, like half the league.
This morning you got seven teams hitting over two ninety.
And it's not slowing the game down. Last night Cincinnati
scored fourteen runs into two hours and twenty five minutes.
(08:11):
So unlike when pitching dominates and pitching changes and you
go to the bullpen and you bring on the fifth guy,
those games get into three hours and fifteen minutes into
Tuesday Wednesday night. Nobody has that time takes you forty
minutes to get to the ballpark, fifty five minutes to
get home. People have lives eighty one home games. You
got a create urgency. So we're now getting more offense,
(08:32):
more hitting, and and again not everybody is using the bats.
And you know, steroids was different. This is like legal HGH.
Steroids would take guys that were non home run hitters
and I don't even need to mention names, and suddenly
they were in the race for the American League MVP.
That would also help guys like Barry Bonds allegedly right.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Or other guys.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
But you felt like a lot of times you were
taking like TRIPLEA players and they were making the big
leagues because of HGH. This is totally legal, and it's
amazing when you embrace innovation and don't fight it as
a sport and baseball, man, baseball is on a heater.
Increase the size of the basis, you know, end extra
(09:15):
ending games, faster, speed the game up, defensive shift, torpedo bats,
more offense, more guys stealing bases, more action. And you know,
it's like Grandpa got a sports car, Baseball decided, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
What we're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
We're gonna join the Pilates class and be hip And
of all the sports, baseball now is doing more stuff
right and again, Ellie Dayala cruise is great. But if
you give Gordon Ramsey fresher seafood and better ingredients, you
get a five star meal.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And that's what you're getting here.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So I mean, I, Aaron Judge and OTAWNI are not
using it yet and I'm not sure they have to.
But this, this is not creating greatness. That was the
illegal stuff. You know, this is just kind of enhancing greatness.
Ellie Day La Cruz is amazing, like now he's amazing. Plus,
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and the Yankees led baseball last year in home runs,
and they're gonna lead it with home runs. Plus they're
not making something again. There is clear magic in these bats,
but it's helping Gordon Ramsay more than the guy at Appleby's.
It's not making the Applebee's guy, you know, a Michelin chef.
But it's taking the really good players and they're just
(10:29):
harder to get out. But it's not extending the length
of the game so far. And here's Terry Francona after.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
I think he it's more of the player than the bat.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I really meant that before the game.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I still do.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, yeah, I know it is, but it's for real
and you better embrace it. I don't care if it's
the one and done, the transfer vortal, I don't care
if it's three point shots. Don't get rigid on this
stuff works or to the bats.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So the Lakers won last night, but it was very unconventional.
So the Lakers don't play defense a lot. Luca is
not good at it. Austin Reeves is okay, Lebron picks
and chooses ones he wants to play defense. So the
Lakers last night, they beat Memphis the other night. And
the reason it's a big deal is they just beat
Houston last night a two seed and they beat Memphis
a five seed. And why that's a big deal because
the Lakers really pick and choose one and they want
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to play defense. Lebron's old Luca didn't like it, and
Austin Reeves is limited, so they pick and choose when
they play defense. And here comes Houston last night. And
Houston is fast, they're young, they're twitchy, and they're the
kind of team that would give the Lakers fits. And
the Lakers held them under one hundred points. And this
Laker team, when they decide to play defense is good.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
They're ten to one. They just don't play it a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And when you watch this game last night, Dorian Finnie
Smith that is on the floor and you only got
thirty six points total from Lebron and Luca. So this
was one of those games where guys, the guys aren'
humming at the top.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
We gotta play defense.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And I will say this about the Lakers is they
need home court advantage. So the Lakers are twenty nine
and nine at home. They're a very good home team.
They're not the best in the league, but they're very good.
They're surprisingly awful on the road. They're sub five hundred.
Generally top six or seven teams in the NBA can
be five hundred or better.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
On the road.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Boston Celtics, by the way, often played better on the
road than at home when the Warriors were great. Remember
when they went into that final against the Celtics, they
played their best game in Boston. Cross country tired, older players.
So the Lakers are not not a very good road team.
I'm not exactly sure why, but this is the way
it's sizing up. So the Lakers need a few things
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they need to be They need to have a home
court series in the playoffs. They are also and they
know it. These games against Houston, like last night in Memphis,
are important because it will give them a week off
with an older roster. Lebron is an older player. It'll
give them a week off to watch the playing stuff.
But when they play defense, it's a real team they've gotten.
(13:01):
I've been very critical of the Lakers front office, but
right now, offensively they can match out with anybody in
the league maybe except Boston. That's probably about it. Boston
is so deep, so many shooters. But the Lakers have
three playmakers. I think four guys I would trust to
take a big shot, two defensive specialists, and an excellent coach.
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And last night when you watch them play defense, and
this is probably the effort you will get in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Pretty good team. Here's JJ Reddick after.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I think the.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Competitive spirit in togetherness, we're going to play really hard
tonight to put ourselves in a position to win the
basketball game. You know, we weathered some misshots, did a
good job of taking care of the basketball, emptied the.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Tank on the defensive end.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It was fantastic for the record, just for fun, we're
going to make some assumptions here, but the playoffs if
they were to end today, and we're making a couple
of playing a kind of work in the lakers favor. Okay,
So there are teams that match up with the Lakers.
Clippers are actually a pretty good matchup with They've got
a legit big they've got a great coach. Well, the
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Clippers would open up with a thunder that series. That's
not gonna work for them. Also, Lakers would open up
with the Grizzlies, a team that's got kind of a
mess right now.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
The coaching staff. They just fired their coach.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You don't trust I mean, John Morants not having a
good year shooting Memphis right now. You want to peek
at the end of the year. They're a mess at
the end of the year. That's great for the Lakers. Nuggets, Warriors.
Nugget's gonna win that series. That's a bad matchup for
the Warriors. But you know what, I wouldn't want to
face Steph and Jimmy Butler either. That would be one
of the few teams the Lakers could face that has
(14:43):
as much playoff experience. The Warriors are gonna get knocked
out by the Nuggets. They cannot stop Jokics. They just
do not match up at all. Draymond Green's great. He
acknowledges it. We can't do anything. And then Rockets and
Tea Wolves. I don't know who I would take there.
That's a go either. I may take the Tea Wolves.
That's a close one. That's a goo oh either way
series based on health. But it works out. You get
the Clippers out, they've got experience, you get the Warriors out,
(15:07):
they've got experience. Uh, and then it's potentially the young Rockets,
young OKC and a Denver team, which, by the way,
the Lakers have beaten this year. They've always played even
when Denver was clearly better pre Luca, the Lakers always
played Denver close. Now they have the offensive firepower. So
(15:27):
it's just some assumptions here. But that defensive effort last
night felt a little bit like a playoff game. Dorian
Finney Smith playing a real defense. You know, you're not
getting a perfect night from Luke and Lebron, although they
gave you thirty six points. Austin Reeves was good, but
you needed other elements. They were at home. Close game
held the team under one hundred. Very playoff field for
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the Lakers. I can't get over the torpedo, betch j Mack.
I can't get over it. The whole thing's crazy. It's
just get on. Can we get one on set this weekend?
You put a special order in.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I'd love to.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Feel it and swing it just to see it's like, yeah,
it's uh, you know, people are I've said this, if
the Twins or Orioles were using them and that was it,
nobody would care. Some of this is the Yankees. It's
like the Toush push. If Jacksonville was doing the Tousch push,
nobody would really care. It's the Eagles. They're dominating. Nobody
can stop it. You know, we all know this. Everybody
roots against Duke, yet everybody watches Duke. Everybody hates the
(16:19):
Toush push. But the ratings for the Super Bowl set
a record. We know how the world works in sports
fans in America work, but it is it is crazy
what it's doing.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, it's weird. There is a gambling parallel.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Sometimes you'll find a slight edge in gambling for a
little while and you'll beat the market, and then everybody
will piggyback. For instance, Lakers first quarterbits, Well guess what
then the team's adjust I'm curious how the pitchers will
adjust to the torpedo bats if this keeps up, Like, are.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
There radical adjustments to be made?
Speaker 8 (16:47):
I don't know.
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Speaker 1 (17:53):
So the NFL Draft is obviously, and we'll talk about
that with mcshay's here, I mentes it's coming up in
three weeks. So Steph Curry overshadowed by Jokich having sixty one.
Steph Curry had fifty two last night, hit a dozen
three pointers, Warriors beat.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
The fading Grizzlies. So I always think about this.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
We've talked about this, how certain players in the NBA
are great, Kevin Durant, Carmelo, Anthony, James Harden, They're not influential.
Shack was great, he wasn't that influential, Magic Bird Lebron,
Steph Curry are influential. It's like Jeff Bezos is rich
(18:33):
and influential. He ended males, he changed retail in America.
That's influential. Elon Musk even before Doge, you know, politics
aside automotive industry, space industry like that. Larry Ellison is
really rich one hundred and ninety two billion, He owns
half a Hawaii. He doesn't he doesn't feel half as
(18:54):
influential as like Steve Jobs did, like brought art into
tech ry. Elsons just a really smart guy. Uh that
and super rich. Uh And that's kind of the difference
is Steph Curry. You know Tim Duncan and Wilt great influential,
just great. Steph's just different, I mean, change basketball overseas
(19:17):
au basketball. And we always knew he would be a
guy that would age well. Smart athletes age well. They
take care of their body. Uh you know guys that
are still go to nightclubs or don't eat right, or
they're not intentional you know with their training, they they
age very quickly. I always said Cam Newton and Big
(19:37):
Ben aged very quickly. Brady really intentional with his diet,
pilates training, aged incredibly well. And Steph falls into that class.
But it's just it's it's really remarkable what he's done.
He is and he's not athletically a force of nature
Shack was. But the second best part of Steph he
(20:00):
just works well with everybody. Right, you don't get a
lot of ego. And I've said international soccer, in the NBA,
you know, listen, it's about the star as much as
the team. See, you got to battle some of the egostuff.
I mean, Lebron's got an ego, but Lebron plays well
with others. D Wade has an ego, he played well
with others. Carmelo not so much. He kind of wanted
(20:22):
to be the guy. He was threatened by Jeremy Lynn
at one point. So I think Steph's aging well and
Steve Kerr talking about it.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
I can't believe he's still still doing this at this age,
but he's put the work in and he still got it.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
How much do you think that week off he just
had maybe boosted.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
It a little bit. I think it helped.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
And I think two rounds of golf on this road
trip helped.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
I'm only half joking, you know, he but yeah, the
week off was helpful for him. I think he looks recharged, rejuvenated.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
How about this Lakers Warriors, if the playoffs started today,
would meet. Now, that's not what you want. You want
those two advanced. You want the story to be expanded.
You love the Lakers and Warriors to win and then
meet in the second or the third round. But that's
where it is today. I will tell you I was
thinking about this Lakers Warriors. The Warriors have a really
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deep bench, and the bench gives you Looney and post
give you size, Buddy, heal gives you shooting, kaminga gives
you athleticism. The Warriors have one of the better benches
like the Boston Celtics in the NBA in the playoffs, though,
are you gonna trust Gie Santos?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Are you gonna play them a lot? I'm not sure
if you are. Are you gonna play post a lot?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You know the guy from the Netherlands, Are you gonna
play him a lot in the postseason?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
You'll play Looney more so. But it's getting real interesting now.
The thunder in the Rockets, especially the Thunder, have pulled
away from everybody. Man, it is really really how good
I mean, the Timberwolves are seven. That is a good team.
That is that is an all time great number seven seed.
(22:05):
Do we have the Eastern Conference standings for us? Because
think about this, Like you could get Kawhi Leonard, you
can get depth Zubot's the center, Like the Clippers are
a good team. They're not a great team, and you
never know who's gonna actually play, but it's a good team.
Timberwolves as a seven seed compared to a seven seed
in the East like that. And I've said this, I
(22:28):
don't know exactly why this is, but the Western Conference,
like I understand why the SEC is better in college football.
The footprint there's all these unbelievable athletes, these totally addicted
high school football programs. Like I get wife. High school
football is good in Dallas or Georgia or Florida, like
(22:48):
I get it. The Western Conference has been so much
deeper and better than the Eastern Conference. Now, I do
think the Celtics and the Caps are the two best teams,
but the Orlando Magic are three games under five hundred.
They're a seven seed in the East. And the Tea
Wolves that just beat the Nuggets with a great staff,
they're a seven seed in the West. So the gap
(23:10):
is significant. Well, a buddy NFL draft college analyst now
he's at the Ringer.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Good for him.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Todd McShay, haven't talked in a while, joining us live
in the Herd.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Todd, how are you.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Great to have you on, Congrats on your success and
congrats on.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Going to the Ringer.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Man.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Thanks man, it's good to talk to you. It's been
a minute. You were always supportive of me at are
during our last adventure, if you will adventure, certainly at
a ESPN and it's great to catch up with you.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So it's all I keep hearing from my people in
the league is this is not a great draft, and
I'm like, Okay, there's got to be a couple areas
that you like it. So if I said to you,
give me two position groups todd that you'll go to
the well on and you'll say, Okay, it's a good
year for what in this draft?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Running back, some defensive line colin. I mean, I was
looking at it the other day. I went back thirty
years and then I kind of got I kind of
got bored in the last thirty years. I think it
was twenty six defensive lineman. That was the highest number
we've seen and talking interior defensive lineman and edge. And
this year I've got thirty five players along the interior
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and at edge that could get drafted in the first
three rounds. So even if I'm off by like eight,
if my evaluation's too high on eight of these guys,
it still will be a record number of interior defensive
linemen and edge defenders that come off the board. And
then at running back, this is this is the best
group I've ever evaluated. I've been doing it twenty five years.
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And it starts with Astron Jindy, Right, Who's going to
be a worst case he goes ten to Chicago we
could see him go six to the Raiders. I mean,
he's if you when I'm talking to guys in the league,
it's like, yeah, he's a running back, but I've got
a grade on him. That's like just to tick below
the two guys that everyone's talking about in Abdul Carter,
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the edge rusher from Peded State, and Travis Hunter, the
generational talent both sides of the ball from Colorado. And
then beyond just genty, you've got Omari and Hampton, who's
like two twenty plus, light on his feet, powerful, best
mistackles force of any running back after the catch is
a receiver. So he's got that combinations. Yeah, Oh, he's unbelievable.
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I've got eighteen guys, Colin and at the running back
position the first four rounds with grades the three year
average is ten. We're talking about almost twice as much
talent in the first four. Yeah, it's crazy. And you
go down the list of these guys and it's beyond
genty and Hampton, it's Trevon Henderson and Kuchan Judkins from
Ohio State who are just first of all, nasty blockers,
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both explosive, Judkins more powerful Henderson faster and more dangerous
in the passing game. Then you've got Caleb Johnson from Iowa,
who is great in that zone blocking scheme. Am Scataboo,
who was like he was awesome when you watched him
on TV, and then putting on the tape, I actually
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even liked him more. And I know he's gonna eat
runs in the four sixes and all of that, but
he's a phenomenal back. And then even beyond that, you've
got RJ. Harvey from UCF, DJ Giddons from Kansas State,
lesser known guys who are gonna come off the board
in the first few rounds. I just I love this
class of running backs. And you've seen it Colin Wright,
(26:27):
like with cover two defenses and everyone in the league
spreading things out. Everything's cyclical, right, you spread these these
defenses out. The passing game heavy in the last decade
of the NFL. Now teams are trying to figure out
art how do we counter that? And it's not We've
seen a resurgence at running back and yes, this talent
is outstanding and that a lot of these guys would
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go regardless, irregardless of the year. But with the NFL
and defenses playing that cover two, making you kind of
drive the ball down the field, trying to avoid the
big plays from the past, Trick Mahomes and the Josh
Allens and all these big armed quarterbacks. You've got to
have a running back now to counter it who's explosive.
And that's why you saw, That's why you saw Detroit.
Everyone was yelling at Brad Holmes, the GM for the
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Lions a couple of years with Jamier Gibbs, can't draft
a running back that high. You already got a running back.
Well look at what that did to that offense. And
when the starter goes out a few weeks, and when
you've got both of them healthy, it just elevated things.
I think that's what we're seeing in the NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Okay, so cam Wore the playmaker, got little Kleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I see it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I get it better armed than Shadure. If I said
to you, and you're hearing stories about this Chadure Sanders,
Jackson Dart. Are there people you believe that Gray Jackson
Dart ahead of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
I know of one team that does. I can tell
you that there's there's thirty one other teams, and that
team may not draft either of these these quarterbacks. But
I can tell you that at least one team in
the league has a slightly higher grade on Jackson Dart
than they do on Shador Sanders, and so to me,
I have identical grades on them. I watched Shackson dark
(28:06):
and listen. I like Schador Sanders a lot. Doesn't have
a huge arm, does not have mobility. I think that's
the biggest mistake in the evaluation, at least early in
the process. Well, he's coach prime Son. He's fast. He's
not fast at all. I bet you he'd run like
a I don't know, four to eight in the forty
if he ever ran one, and he's never going to.
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But what I do love about him is I think
he's the fastest processor of all these quarterbacks in the
passing game. Now, his instincts in terms of the pocket
and kind of extending and drifting and always looking for
the home run and not taking the short change, those
sorts of things he'll manage through. And if people don't
like him, what they say is he has some of
the bad habits that Caleb Williams had the cause of
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problems as a rookie, but he doesn't have the armor,
and he is a fraction of the athleticism. But the
people who love him love the fact that he's the
best pure passer in terms of touch, timing, layering the football,
and he's the fastest processor in this class. Now you
go to Jackson Dart, bigger arm, bigger kid, more mobile.
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I think accuracy is good, but it's not quite at
the level of Shadora. But the thing that made me
fall in love with him. And listen, the detractors will say, well,
Lane Kiffen that offense, they run that same sale route
concept and they'll run it three four times a game,
and they do things over and over again, predetermined reads,
And yeah, that's true. It doesn't mean he can't do
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it. It's a matter of getting with him and figuring out
how he learns. Can he go through NFL reads and
all those things. But when I fell in love with
Jackson Dart, there's when you have the tape access that
we have, like the PFF Ultimate combined with the catapult,
this whole system. You can go in and do cutups,
go in and watch his cutups on his intermediate throws
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ten to twenty five yards and watch his accuracy compared
to a lot of other guys in this class. And
then the thing that really jumped out to me. I
watched over twelve hundred snaps in like a five day
span of these quarterbacks versus pressure. His was so significantly better,
and I saw a lot of like, I know, he's
not the size and he doesn't have the arm, but
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a lot of the same things that makes Josh Allen
special in terms of avoiding, quickly eluding, but calm, this
presence about him as he's rolling out and seeing the field.
He was so much better in those versus pressure moments
to throw that one hundred and sixty one clip reel
that I went through than all of these other quarterbacks were.
That to me, spoke volumes because that in the NFL,
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you've got you have got to make intermediate throws and
you've got to be able to work under pressure. And
he did both of those at all miss at a
very high level.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Okay, Travis Hunter, First of all, I think he's gonna
be good at whatever he does. But if I was
a coach, I'd be like, I'd rather have twelve targets
than chasing the other team's best receiver around, I can
get a corner in the fifth. There is no more
lockdown corner as good as Patrick's or tan is. There's
so much motion, so many sets, the great offensive coaches
(31:08):
making it virtually impossible to get your hands on anybody.
If I'm New England and I can get twelve targets
for this kid, fly sweeps, bubbles, screens, I don't know.
To me, I think he's an offensive player in the
NFL if we want to put him in a nickel
because we love his athletic ability, But don't just see
him as an offensive guy in an offensive league.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
You know what's funny, Like, there's there's two trains of
thought thought here. The first is cornerback. It's hard to
play wide receiver full time, and then kind of moonlight
or minor at the cornerback position right right. And so
so coaches get involved in this process and they're like, yeah,
I understand it, but we can put in installs every
(31:50):
week and have like a twenty play package for Travis
on the offensive side, And so from a coaching standpoint,
that makes more sense. Let's keep him in the corner
back room. He can do some things and work with
wide receivers and work with the quarterback on the field,
and we can meet separately with those, but let's make
him a corner and then do the install and some
packages for him on offense. Okay, but the talent and
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what you're saying those two factors, I think he's actually
a better wide receiver. I think he's at his best
with the ball in his hand. And the thing that
goes like we all get so caught up in what
we're showing the highlights right, how quick he is, how
sudden he is. He's a dynamic athlete. I'm telling you, Colin,
he's up there in like the top five of wide
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receivers in terms of ball skills in like the past
decade that I've evaluated. It goes so and so, while
that's great at corner, how many interceptions is he really
going to have? So the average guy would get three,
maybe he gets five in a year. But if I
can have that weapon, who's that reliable and refine him
a little bit of as a route runner, and I
already think he's a little bit more refined as a
(32:56):
receiver and than a corner, I tend to agree. If
he falls to New England at four you're telling me
that they're looking at that and saying, well, sorry, sorry,
Drake May, We're gonna play mcorner, but we'll give you
like twenty snaps no chance. Man. It will come down
to the team that drafts him in what they need
from him, and then the kind of the load management
(33:18):
NBA stuff with him and trying to keep him healthy.
But ultimately, I want to get the ball in this
guy's hands, and I think you know, we all know
that offense is the way to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Todd mcshae now at the Ringer.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
One last question on this because when I was a kid,
I mean I can remember the top two or three
tight ends Dave Casper for the Raiders because there were
so few of them. Kellen Winslow, Well, I always had
this theory is that as people got bigger, as athletes
got bigger, and we've just got more six foot five,
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two hundred and forty pound men playing sports, and they've
got good hands because they played on their high school
basketball team, and so you know, the humans are getting
a little bigger. But what's interesting about the tight end
is we just have so many great six five, two
hundred and thirty five pound high school athletes all over
the country, and it's like, well, let's put him at
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tight end. Some can block, some can't. But I look
at the tight end position now and I never thought
tight end was a first round position. Brock Powers total outlier,
best college tight end I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Kyle Pitt's not.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
As good as I thought I But I do look
at Tyler Warren at Penn State and I was I
watched that USC game and I'm sitting there and I'm like, dude,
if I had to do could he throw the ball?
Could I put him in the backfield? What do you
make of him as a prospect? Because I keep hearing
it to a weak draft, and I'm like, if you
(34:44):
told me one guy went in this draft and we
look five years later.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
And went mad.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
We just didn't get how good this guy was.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
He is different.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
What do you make of him historically as comp and
the Penn State tight end he is.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
I mean, he's he's six five and two thirds and
he's two hundred and fifty six pounds and when you
see him like break tackles and rumbling after the catch,
You're like, yeah, he's every bit of that. Then you
see him as a as a route runner as an athlete.
I mean he snapped the ball and then in that
game and went and caught a touchdown passing the USC
(35:20):
so like he could just kind of he's kind of
different that you can and people are like, well, he's
not a great blocker, Like yeah, no kidding, like he
was doing everything else and yeah, he's got to improve
in that area. I think he's so good after the catch.
I think he knows how to get open, even though
he doesn't separate like Colston Lovelin. If you want a
wide receiver at tight end, that's your guy. Yeah, he
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doesn't block, like he's terrible at blocking. Let's just call
it what it is. Colston Lovelin's a wide and he's
he's a little bit more like brock Bauers just to
tick behind him. In terms of talent, Warren is different man,
Like you're watching the highlights here. He reminds me more
of Gronk. If Loveland is is Bow or Kelsey in
that mode, this guy's Gronk in that he's he's going
(36:05):
to become a serviceable blocker. But what he does so
well is he's gonna find a way to get open
versus zone boxing. Guys out catch the ball, and then
after the catch, he creates so many yards with his
combination of his athleticism and then the fact that he's
just barreling through guys. So and then also there's this
guy named Elijah Arroyo who's six', five two hundred and
(36:27):
fifty one pounds From, miami who looks like he's about
two thirty the way he carries his. Weight he had
one year of great production At. Miami this past year
had some, injuries but if he stays, healthy he's got
a chance to be a. Star and Then Jason taylor's,
Son Mason taylor wasn't even utilized all that well AT.
LSU a lot of underneath and like really stretch the
seam and do those sorts of. Things he's he's the
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same guy six four and a half two hundred and
fifty one pounds as a royo and has an unbelievable
skill set across the. Board those four tight ends have
a chance to make it's significant mark early in their
careers and throughout their. Careers AND i think all four
of them are gonna be off the touch off the,
board probably in the top forty to forty five.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Picks, todd you look, great you sound. Great happy for.
You you landed in a great. Spot say hi To
bill and the. Fellas what a crush my?
Speaker 3 (37:16):
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Speaker 3 (37:26):
Like, folks it's that.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Time the old crystal ball arrives on, set usually On
Fridays thursdays because we're Doing best of The.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Herd tomorrow we have The final FOUR Nba playoffs around the.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Corner by the, way are you perturbed by the Chalky final?
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Four?
Speaker 3 (37:45):
NO i think it's.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Great got a lot of, outrage faux, outrage you know that. Nonsense,
oh there's no great. Games you have to be careful
about confirmation. Bias there's a kind of a legendary college
basketball sports better and he got crushed in this Urn. Boston,
Yeah i'm familiar with his, work crushed, crazy but he's
he was a good gambler.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Bright, yeah, yeah but he loves mid. Majors he loves
the little, guy AND i think that's. Something it's confirmation.
Bias you're, like, oh the little, guy the little, guy
never forget In, america everybody it wants to eat the.
Rich why do people play the? Lottery they want to be.
Rich let's not pretend like you know it's, so it's
a lot of it's just. Envy and the same thing
is for mid majors is that you know those coaches
(38:26):
at mid majors, privately they'd rather coach At kentucky and
play with better, coach better, players bigger nil budget of,
course so the mid major's always been. Overstated they're a
little undervalued, historically but the nil has changed. That you,
know the mid major guy gets good And i'll hear you,
know From dayton or, something and then all of a,
sudden you, Know syracuse or You, connor, like you know,
what you could be our third best starter or a best.
(38:47):
Starter so that's the way society. Works people talented people have.
OPTIONS i saw something the other day on TikTok where
they were talking about an average looking man has to
wipe two hundred times on what's that, site tender tender
to get one cup.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Of coffee with a. Date what does a woman have to?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Do, well IT'S i, DIDN'T i don't know, that but they,
said and of the four of the five times they get,
coffee they won't get a second. Coffee SO i mean
just things are easier when you have certain, height, looks. Talent,
well the coaches want to coach the best, players and
players want to play with the best, players and so you,
know the nil is a long time. Coming so if
(39:30):
you are a believer in paying college, athletes the same
people that are upset about mid majors disappearing In march
are also the same people that want athletes to get.
Paid here's the way it works In. America the minute
you pay college, athletes you're going to have a hierarchy very,
(39:52):
quickly and people are going to, separate and you're going
to find out your market. Value and so you know
that all the people that were fighting for the little
guy to get, paid he getting paid now a lot By,
kentucky Not. Dayton so that's just the market.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Speaking it's like In Major League, baseball a lot of
these lower end, teams the owners that don't want to,
spend they're essentially farm systems for The yankees and The.
Dodgers and that's how it's working in. Baseball that's definitely
what's happening in college football and.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Basketball all these small market baseball teams for years were
propped up by the regional, networks which was The fox.
Business When fox sold it and other people couldn't run
it Like, fox it dried. Up and it's Hurt pittsburgh
And cincinnati And Kansas city and The. Mariners so it's
(40:42):
like the truth eventually comes. Out the big gobble up
the small and that's all that's happening With. Nil the
big and the bigger bankrolls are smaller swallowing up the
smaller Bankrell you see it in, tech you see it
in every.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Industry all, right let's do it.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Tomorrow those headlines, today he wants the headline For florida
And auburn TWO sec hot bets for hoops these.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Days two GREAT sec. Teams got some good news For
auburn auburp where it just came. Out the headline will
be join us For Crocktail, Hour gator shots go down.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
EASY i Have florida taken Down.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Auburn, however it just was revealed That auburn Star, broom
the big fella who has just been getting double doubles
in like the first, half he practiced fully. Today he
will Play saturday in the final. Four he missed practice
the last two, days so there was some. Concern remember
the elbow in the. Knee, Now broom is an excellent.
PLAYER i think he's like twenty three years. Old, However
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florida has the DEPTH i think to. Handle they got
four guys that they can throw at the big fella From,
auburn AND i give a slight edge To florida the.
Backwork BUT i will say my favorite player in this
game Is, pettiford the lefty backup point, guard the freshman For.
Auburn he is so. Smooth i've been saying he's a lottery.
PICK a lot of people are, like, no, no you
watch if he. Plays Clayton tottoe is a Great florida point.
(42:01):
GUARD i think we'll Hear petiford is a lottery. PICK
i Think florida narrowly.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Escapes All, right here's a game that's going to be.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Great tomorrow's headlines Today houston And duke defense against.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Offense what's say?
Speaker 5 (42:12):
You?
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Yeah remember after we did The CALCUTTA i came, ON i,
said we Got.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Duke i'm A Duke Blue devils. FAN i want A
cooper flag.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Jersey the, headline, Well, hey The dukes Of Hazzard cougar's
wave the white flag and that Is. FLAGG i Got
cooper flag And duke. Advancing, However, colin some of these
analytics guys have put this in front of.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Me you got a. START i don't know if it's out.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
There the top twenty five defense Is duke has faced
in the last month. Zero you have to go back
to The clemson game in Early february.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
For a top twenty five.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Defense duke lost that, game so they haven't played a good.
Defense alabama don't play, Defense baylor does not play. Defense
houston's the number one defense in the. Country close games
will be a. Test there's a big. Divide the spread is.
Five colin take the. Points, However Ken, palm the number one,
analytics says this is a two point, game and there's
another analytics site that says it As.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Houston by, one so there is a.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Divide the publishers will be potentially the best college basketball
game men or women of the.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Year, YES i think it will be absolutely. PHENOMENAL i
Think duke. WINS i don't Trust houston and like clutch.
Situations they've played some some tough. Games they have an
edge in the back. Court but how you not riding
With Cooper?
Speaker 3 (43:21):
FLAG i give Me.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Duke tomorrow's headlines. Today so who do you? Like The National?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Championship Duke florida in The. NATTY a lot of people had.
This you probably had. It oh, no you didn't have
it in your breath because you didn't Go. Chalky the
headline will be kurt to see. Flush duke cleans the
rim and cuts down the. Nets, Listen John shires done
a tremendous. Job we have an awesome. Team they got
three guys who could go in the top. Twenty the
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big seven footer in the, Middle Cooper, flag and then
of Course, canipple who's very. GOOD i like proc to
the Guard. Colin this is just a great basketball. Team
the one interesting thing is they are one of the youngest.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Teams, yes that's WHY i didn't take. Them a lot
of freshmen and.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Sophomores and it's, like, oh that's tough going up against
the grown men Of florida and the grown men Of.
Houston BUT i Think duke. PREVAILS i just Think Cooper
flag is too. Good you can't hold him down that.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Long all, Right so big one Tonight Lakers. Warriors let's,
go what's the headline going to be for The Western?
Conference tomorrow's headlines today lived deep Loaded Western conference to
The National Basketball.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Association so next couple weeks on the show are going
to be, wacky AND i figure we get our NF
nba prediction out of the way in The. West, okay
se he's won what sixty three?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Games how many Is denver? ONE i don't.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Know the headline for.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
The Western conference will Be luca tick, Fringe lakers going
off the rails on a crazy.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Trade i'm, SORRY i think they're going to The Western conference. Finals.
COLIN i don't think anybody's standing in their.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Way remember how they had like a twenty two game
sample size where they were the best defense in the,
league and then they kind.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Of cratered in all of.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
This they're not that, good. Folks they played eight games
in twelve. Days they were exhausted due to the. Acts
lebron was, Hurt reese was. Hurt everybody's healthy, Now, colin
And i'm just telling you This lakers team totally. Complete
we're having discussions during the commercial break about who's going
to Defend Austin Reeves like tonight and in the, playoffs
he is a tough. Matchup you Got, luca, obviously you Have.
(45:16):
Lebron this is a great litmus test tonight against The.
Warriors apparently, tickets it's a, tough tough ticket to get in.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Tonight you probably could if, you uh, Well i'm an. Influencer,
yeah that's how it. Came So lakers to The Western
conference finals for.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Sure, finally tomorrow's headlines today the more Predictable Eastern conference.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Y's it was supposed to Be celtics And, knicks but
then The calves have come out of nowhere and they're a.
Challenger the headline in The east will, Right i'd rather
be a Rich zingis.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Than a Poor.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
Zingis boston Breaks bank back to.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
BACK i JUST i Like boston too.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
MUCH i think get gone through the motions a little
bit at times this, season you, know, like, hey we
just won the, title AND i think that's Enable cleveland
to look better than they. Are My Nix brunson still
not back. Yet they haven't matched up great with The.
Celtics SO i Think boston's the team to be in The.
East AND i think they cut down the nets again.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
This, YEAH i mean it's they have a couple of
really really sharp, Gms Danny ainge To Brad, stevens and
they just haven't been a lot of. MISSES i mean
when when you know some of this Is. Giannis jannis
wanted a better running mate with more offensive, firepower and
they Moved Drew. Holliday milwaukee loved him For dame And
dame's a defensive. Liability he's getting, older breaking, down and
(46:33):
so they Got Drew, holliday which was an upgrade Over Marcus.
Smart they were good With Marcus, Smart brown And. Tatum
now they're better Than porzingis had a great year In.
Washington nobody paid. Attention Brad stevens brings him over. Us
he's a character. Issue he breaks. Down ALL i know
is when he's on the. Floor And horford's been slinging
it for. Years and Now Peyton, pritchard.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Don't Forget Derek. White what a heist that.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
One they are just they are And i'll say it
again they they've got a spurs feed where we're not
going to pay a ton of attention because they're not
a flashy. Team we love Our Kobe, shack we love
our you, know we love Our Michael Jordan's Showtime. Lakers,
jordan we like OUR nba champ to be. Flashy in the,
seventies The sonics were, Good, Washington Golden, state they weren't.
Flashy portland was. Great that, shit and that's. Okay it's
(47:17):
not a. Criticism in THE, nfl we don't care if
you're tough and physical Like Baltimore, pittsburgh well you could
be A Super bowl. CHAMP nba we like a little
flash or we don't give you the credit you. DESERVE
i THINK i Think boston. Stacked the fact that they.
Are they can go into ANY nba Aren now they
could go Into okay c in the final and win by.
Eighteen they are they not many teams in the league
(47:38):
can do, that all, right J. Mack now you have
tomorrow off AND i have tomorrow. Off what do you
got planned for the big? Weekend you got three? THERE
i don't you.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
KNOW i got to prepare for next.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
WEEK i gotta put some takes in the, holster get them,
ready ready for, action already cooking up some.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Stuff well we'll. See i'll tell you, What Duke, houston
that is one for the.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Age If duke, Loses i'll be kind of sort of.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Devastated then it loses, luster like are you fired up
about A Houston auburn final or, he's.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
WELL i Picked auburn to, win SO i would be
would be.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah you, know it's the thing About florida And, Auburn,
florida as good as they, are they're one of those
teams that can come down and give you four or
five minutes of wasted, possessions you, know and college teams
do that a.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Lot duke.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Doesn't duke doesn't give you wasted. Possessions where you, Know,
duke they know what they, are they lean into what they,
are and they've got a sensational. Player and that's what
that's sortatly the difference of having a superstar in THE
nba is and that's What milwaukee struggles. With, Yes jannis
is their, star but he's a liability at the free throw,
Line so do you always.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Go to him?
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Late you, know the shack Without kobe or D wade
is really a, force but you didn't want him at
the free throw, line and and, so and that's Why
duncan was great when he Had mano And Tony Tony
parker because they could hit the free throws and so
that in College duke has The, okay let we need
three straight great. Possessions you just give the ball To
(49:09):
Cooper flag and get out of the. Way and Even
AUBURN i, like but they have fewer of them because
they have two guys that can get a. Bucket is
a lot of these college, teams like even the good
teams Like florida Or, houston you can get into a
little bit Of, man we've gone four straight. Possessions we
have not gotten a good look at.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
All the other concern With duke is they haven't played
a close game in a.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
While they haven't had like down to the.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Wire they had some earlier this year When Cooper flag
was eighteen and they ended up losing a couple of.
THOSE i Think kansas was, One BUT i don't really have.
CONCERNS i think they shoot free throws, great one of
the best free throw shooting teams in the.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Country, like should be. Fine, yeah my guess Is i'm
gonna Go Duke. Auburn i'll Go Duke, florida all, right
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