April 8, 2025 • 40 mins
Jason McIntyre fills in for Colin discussing the Florida Gators mounting another comeback and winning the National Championship over Houston
Will Browns take Shedeur or Travis Hunter?
Who’s more influential - LeBron James or Steph Curry?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hello, and welcome to The Herd.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
It's a beautiful Tuesday in the sports world. The Florida
Gators are national champions. Oh yeah, gotta love it. It's
me Jason McIntyre in for Colin Coward. I'm joined today
by with Alex Curry.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Alex, how are you no Dodger Blue Todays?
Speaker 5 (00:47):
We gotta we gotta mix it up a bit. But
did you pick Florida?
Speaker 6 (00:51):
I do.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
I'm like, did we talk about that yesterday? You know,
you kind of just talked about how sad you were
about Duke, So I'm like, I don't even know if
we actually talked.
Speaker 7 (00:58):
About who you were taking.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I had Florida. I think I mentioned it briefly, okay,
guide into the game, but it was a bit of
a thriller.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
You gotta love when it comes down to the last
minute of the game. That's all you can hope for
in like a championship final game.
Speaker 7 (01:12):
So good job.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, that was great. We got a big show ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Former NBA center Ryan Hollins on the show, joining us
in the studio.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
NFL running back Aaron Jones in the house.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I'm very excited to talk to a guy who's played
with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
What does he know about JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
We'll do some NFL draft stuff, but obviously, folks, we
have to start with the Florida Houston thriller in the
National Championship last night.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I mean, what a game.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It went from bad to oh, this is gross. The
refs are ruining in to Holy Cow. Would have cumeback
by Florida. And folks, I'm sure you've heard about the
great best selling book Grit Right the Passion and Perseverance
in Life, And essentially one of the big takeaways from
the book is those who are going to succeed in life.
One of the great predictors of success is do you
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have grit? Are you just throwing in the towel at
the first sign of a problem, are you bailing?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Or are you gonna figure out how.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
To solve the problem and get through it. And this
season in college basketball, we saw the Florida Gators lose
three really close games. They were excellent all season, only
lost four games. One was a blowout, but three close ones.
And what happened in the NCAA Tournament comebacks in the
second half four times by the Gators, the Cardiac Gators.
They came back when they were trailing yukon Texas Tech.
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They were down ten Auburn on Saturday, they were down
nine in the second half, and then last night, down
twelve against Houston. I'm told by all the guys who
covered college basketball all season, you can't come back against Houston.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
The defense is just too tough.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Florida said hold my beer please, and the Gators stormed
back with a thrilling final minute. Folks, look at these
comebacks that they've had all tournament, and the game against
Houston last night was just the perfect capper.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Houston had three.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Possessions the final minute, they didn't get a shot off,
and they.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Turned the ball over three times. That, my friends, was incredible.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
And how about the grit displayed by the great Walter Clayton.
Now he's a divisive figure in NBA circles.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
What's he gonna be?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
You know you got you got a pundit at ESPN
saying you got to take him third in the draft.
What let's not go that overboard, Listen. I like Walter
Clayton a lot. He had zero baskets zero for the
first thirty two minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Of the National Championship.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
He is a guy who had back to back thirty
point games. He had thirty four against Auburn. He had
no baskets.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
What did he panic? No?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No, he just attacked the basket, buried to three, had
nine clutch points in the final eight minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And Florida is a champ.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Here's their coach, Todd Golden, talking about how defense rode
the way.
Speaker 8 (03:49):
We've been a top ten defense all year also, and
we've been able to stand up against really good offensive
teams and find a way to get stops. We held
them scoreless the last two twenty and Walter great closeout and.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Condo, great hustle play to win the game.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
And that's what made this team special all years, that
we could win different ways, and we show that again tonight.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I gotta be honest, guys, I'm not gonna lie. I
was on Florida. I was extremely nervous down twelve.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I thought, how are they going to pull this off?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Even when Houston had the ball in the final twenty
seconds with a chance to win the game.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I love the Florida adjustments defensively.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
They blitzed both of the Houston guards, Uzah and Crier.
We're not letting you shoot it. We're going to w
and they get it over to Sharp, who has, for
my money, just the most unfortunate, memorable mistake at the
end of a college basketball national championship since Chris Weber
called timeout, a timeout he did not have against North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I felt so bad for the kids.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Sharp, he had two turnovers in the final twenty five seconds,
dribbled it off his leg. I was like, oh my gosh,
that's devastating.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I felt really bad for Houston.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
But at the same time, Houston Cougars fans, now you
know how US dupe fans felt on Saturday, A Duke
was melting the game away, just handing it to Houston.
Duke was up nine with three minutes left and gagged
Houston up twelve in the second half and then can't
even get a shot off in the fight.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Look at that Clayton, of course put the close out.
Clayton heroic.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
A quick word on the refs, and I don't want
to be bag on the ref's guy.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And anytime somebody says that they're gonna be bag on
the refs guy.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
The refs called four total fouls in the first half.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
They let Houston do what they wanted. Defensively, Houston is
grabby and handsy. It's whether the number one defense in
the country. Well, what happened in the second half.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
The refs came out and we're like, oh, oh wait, we
can't allow this.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
We got to call everything. Twenty six fouls in the
second half. So from four to twenty six. Well, what's
the impact of twenty six fouls in the second half? Well,
Florida is able to actually run an offense, you know,
without being held and jostled. And then Florida starts getting
to the line, they hit their free throws, an amazing comeback,
A great capper to folks. I'm gonna go ahead and
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say I think this was the greatest final for this century.
You had three games all determined in the final ninety seconds,
and three games all the team that won.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Had trailed at halftime. I think it was a phenomenal
final four.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
All right, let's pivot to the NFL Draft, and oh boy,
things are getting spicy at the top.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I do want to preface this by saying, by nature,
I think I'm a risk taker. I can tell you
stories about my family coming from the Caribbean to America
back in the sixties and seventies, but I won't bore
you with that. However, I myself am a risk taker.
Many of you who know my story. I was at
a magazine in New York City. I decided to quit
to run a sports blog full time. You can imagine
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how that went over to the future in laws.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Oh so, Jason, how's work? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I quit my job to run a sports blog and
I get this blank stet.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
What's that?
Speaker 6 (06:51):
You know?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
This was like two thousand and six seven, and I
obviously got a little lucky with it and it paid off.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
But taking a risk worked nine years ago.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
You know, Colin Cowherd and Fox come to me and
they're like, hey, would you move across the country to
try your hand at TV?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Risk taker? Jason, Yeah, let's give it a shot. Why not.
Family was like, are you sure? About this. So far,
so good. We'll see what the future holds. But taking
risks in life, you know, high reward, high risk. I
like being a risk taker. I do some gambling. I
don't mind playing the card games in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Enter the Cleveland Browns, who are in risky territory at
number two. If we assume Kim Ward is going one
to Tennessee, which everybody has, what's happening at two is
all over the place, so everybody knows. One of the
best newsbreakers in the NFL's Adam Schefter, he does a
great job. In February, he said it made sense for
the Browns to draft Shad Say a quarterback, not Shdor
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a quarterback at two. In March, he came out and said,
you know what, Abdul Carter is the lean right now
the Browns. Here we are in April, and Schefter comes
out this week and says, you know, it looks like
Travis Hunter is gonna go too to the Browns. Folks,
nobody knows what Cleveland's gonna do. Let's stop pretending like
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anyone has a clue. It all comes down to what
would you do? And this is where I get risky,
And I say I'm taking Shadoor Sanders. I understand he
doesn't have elite arm strength, he doesn't have elite escapability, he.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Doesn't have elite size.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean, you know, frankly, he didn't have elite protection
at Colorado. So I don't think we've seen the best
Shadoor Sanders. Could he be Tua a highly accurate quarterback
who's kind of sort of limited.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
By his size.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Sure he could be Toua. I don't think that would
be the worst thing in the world. Who is a
good quarterback. He's had a couple good runs. If he
could stay healthy. You know, he's been paid. Dolphin's got
to the playoffs with him.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Could he be too a Sure?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Could Shadore Sanders be Zach Wilson, Yeah, that would not
surprise me either.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Could he be Trey.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Lance, who the forty nine ers riskily is not even
a word traded up in the draft They went up
to get Trey Lance, who I believe is out of
the league currently. He may let it end up on
a roster, but I think the Cowboys have moved on
with this new Joe Milton move. So, folks, do you
risk it by going Shadoor Sanders?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
It too.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I keep hearing Abdul Carter he's safest, safest pick in
the draft. Okay, well you start to drill down on Carter.
He's coming off a surgery, he's got like a foot thing.
And then there are reports about like is was he
the hardest worker at Penn State? You know, maybe maybe
this is people trying to poison the water for Abdul Carter.
I think he looks like a great football player, but safe.
You know who else was safe? Chase Young coming out
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of Ohio State, remember him, one of the boats of
twins twins, sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Boats of brothers, who was with the Chargers for a
long time.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I thought he was supposed to be safe, like they
just moved on from him.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You know, good player, but he was supposed to be safe.
What a safe mean? Is Travis Hunter that safe? Okay? Great,
you've got a wonderful wide receiver. What are you gonna
do with him?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Go ask the Giants how that worked out with maliite neighbors.
They got three different quarterbacks throwing to him and they're
not winning anything.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So what is safe? And I'll counter that with I go.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I take the risk, and I go Shador Sanders because
you know what, if I get Hunter and I got
no quarterbacks throwing to him, I'm probably getting.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Fired if I'm the front office. If I got Abdul
Carter and.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Miles Garrett coming off the adul exciting, I got no quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
But Jay, you're forgetting Kirk Cousins to Cleveland. What about
the rumors? Well, guys, I looked it up.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Kirk Cousins his last five games in Atlanta, he had
one touchdown in nine picks.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
He was benched. Now could that be because of the
Atlanta offense? Maybe? Could it be that Kirk Cousins is washed.
That's also possible.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Is he gonna work out in Cleveland and the outdoor
situations in that division?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I don't know. He seems like an indoor quarterback to me.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I know he went to Michigan State, but I don't
think Kirk Cousins is a slam dunk.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Let's not.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Pretend that that magical run by Joe Flacco where he
won what five games, he got to the playoffs and
they got smashed.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
By fifty because he threw two pick sixes.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Let's not act like that is definitely going to duplicate
itself with whoever you put in at quarterback. I take
a risk and I grabbed Shaduor could you wait until
the second round and get Cowherd's favorite guy, mister.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
McCord from Syracuse. Sure you could do that, guys.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I just went down the list of the best second
round quarterbacks ever drafted. Brett varv home run with Green
Bay not his first team, Geno Smith kind of sort
of thriving now in a late season surge. It didn't
happen with the Jets when they drafted him. He was
a risk second round. He didn't work out with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Andy Dalton, I won't even say Cowhard's nickname for him,
but he has zero career playoff wins.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Could he be Jalen Hurts or Drew Brees a second
round quarterback who thrives and wins the Super Bowl? Sure,
two quarterbacks won Super Bowls see boomerasiyas it was the
second round pick. You can hit on them. But this
idea that hey, Shadore is a huge risk. Isn't everyone
a risk? I mean, guys, I hate to break it
to you. Cam Ward at one, as much as I
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like him, he's a risk.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You know he's good at Washington State, great at Miami.
Is he gonna work in the NFL? Nobody knows.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
And that's why we could talk about the NFL Draft
for nine months out of the year, because nobody knows
a damn thing. But I'm telling you right now, if
you want to be a risk taker, Shador Sanders is
your guy at number two in the draft.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Cleveland. I'm just here to help. That's all we do, Alex.
We're trying to help these teams out. And I think
you got to go Shador Sanders too.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
In the draft.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
It's also like the most important position on the team.
And if you have a gaping hole at the most
who's driving your ship the most important position, you have
to go after it.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
If the option is there, especially at number two.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
You know, and I hear all this talk, Oh well,
you could draft Travis Hunter then trade back in the
first to get your door you know, works at the
Saints level at nine.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, pretre gonna jump up to eight. You give it
up all that draft capital. It just feels like too
many gymnastics.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I think that, like when you say like safe, I
think the safest thing about both Travis and Shador is
their leader, their coach, Dion Sanders who is obviously a
Shador's father, but a father figure for Travis. Like we
heard him talk about that and cry about that at
his Heisman acceptance speech. He knows what it takes to
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win in the NFL, so he's preparing these guys to
be able to be successful at that level. So I
think when you say like safe, that might be the
closest like mentally, I think they'll be ready for it.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Safe or risk, you know, take chances in life. It's fun,
all right.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Coming up next, wait to hear what a former NBA
we'll call him a superstar. We're gonna call them a
superstar said about the most influential debate between Lebron and
Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
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Speaker 4 (14:04):
Back here on the Herd, We're gonna talk about my
top five NBA title contenders at the top of the hour.
The list is narrowing, folks. And by the way, keep
an eye on the Clippers. I don't know if you
notice what they're doing lately. Good things, but who knows
if Kawhi is going to even be around.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I saw my main man, Shack Gosh. I was such
a Shack fan back in the day.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I'm not kidding. I gotta keep it real, keep it
fully authentic. My LA fans hate when I LA fan
friends hate when I say this. I was a Shack
guy over a Kobe guy. I was like so distraught
when a Lakers traded Shack. But obviously it worked out
for both. Kobe one without him with Paugasol, Shack one
got one in Miami. And now Shaq is thriving with
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inside the NBA. And now he's got a podcast called
the Big Pod with Shack. And since everybody's got a podcast,
now you have to weigh in on the big top topics.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
You know that TV shows like this one weigh in on.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
So Shack was asked who's been more influential in basketball
on the court? Seems to be where it was specific
to Lebron or Steph Curry, to you guys who have
dominated the league for about a decade.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Now here's what Shaq had to say.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Lebron was always there, but when Kobe was paying out,
that's when Lebron pun And then you got Steph Curry Pune. Actually,
I'm gonna go with Steph Curry is more influential because
double hot take. If you look at all basketball, it's
being played like gold set Warriors.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Now lot at you on there.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
So I need to back it up, you know, come
back a little. So how do you define influential in basketball?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like, it's a tough word. Like if you want to
just measure.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Someone's accomplishments MVPs titles, blah blah blah, scoring whatever, that's easy,
you could stack those, But how do you measure influence?
And I do think Shaq makes it a rare good
point that Steph Curry's three pointers ushered in the three
point era. I mean technically you could say, you know,
the spreadsheet jockeys who were like, hey guys, hey, hey,
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three points is more than two.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
We should be shooting more threes.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
You could argue that that was the case and that
led to more threes from Curry. Also, the Houston Rockets
and Darryl Mory they deserve credit for being at the
forefront of that as well. I would say Curry has
made defending thirty foot three pointers and logo threes. He's
made that hugely influential in the league. Dame Lillard has
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been doing those now. But like you have to guard
Steph Curry twenty five thirty feet from the hooper, he'll
kill you. Look at what the Houston Rockets did on
Sunday night. They're double teaming and trapping him all over
the half court. You've never seen that before.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
If you want to laugh at something, and I love.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Bringing this up, and oh boy to the Jordan sick
of fans hate it, go to the Jordan Bulls versus
Clyde Drexler Blazers playoff series.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
You could look it up on YouTube. The game where
Jordan hit like fifteen threes.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It wasn't fifteen obviously in the first half. Go look
at the defense on Michael Jordan. They are not even
putting a hand up on over half his threes.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
They're like, you want to shoot the three, go for it.
We're gonna pack the lane. We're gonna pack it in.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And prevent you from getting to the rim. They weren't
even putting a hand up on most of the threes
Jordan made. Now they're guarding Curry thirty feet from the
basket because he'll drain them like it's nothing. Same deal
with Luca. That to me, has been hugely influential. Now,
if Shaq wants to involve off the court stuff, I
think that chilts the pendulum toward Lebron. The player empowerment
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era which a lot of people don't like and maybe
ending because of the new.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Salary cap rules and the aprons.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Lebron completely changed that, and I think for the better.
Remember Lebron was ticked off that the Celtics created a
Big three with Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen on
one guy in Cleveland. He can't get buy that Big three, right,
So Danny Ainge puts that group together. Lebron can't get
buy him and is like, I gotta go create my
own super team. So he went to Miami and started.
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I believe the player empowerment era. Danny Ainge got the
Big Three started, Lebron put his team together, and since
then everybody's been trying to hey, let's buddy up.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It's the Olympics, Hey, hey, what do you think let's
get together.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Famously, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Duranko in to Brooklyn, which
was a train wreck, but we're seeing a lot of
that and that's all at testament to Lebron. Off the court,
you could also factor in the bubble that happened during
COVID that only happened because Lebron pushed it. If you
guys want to go back and do the research, Kyrie
Irving tried to scuttle it. He was very unhappy. That
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was when Kyrie and Lebron weren't getting along. Lebron made
that happen, ended up winning the championship. So off the court,
Lebron has done a ton to warrant, hey man, he's
more influential. But on the court, yes, I can see
the argument from Zeck that Steph because of the gravity
where he sucks the defense all the way out to
him at mid court and opens up three on twos
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for Draymond and four on threes. Yes, that has been
more influential. That being said, isn't it kind of sort
of impossible to duplicate six' Nine lebron or six to
eight whatever you want to call, him who has the
speed Of John wall and the power Of Karl. Malone
you can't duplicate that on the, Playground Steph, curry you,
can you, know you go to any youth league basketball,
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game and you're gonna see kids just jack in.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
THREES i instruct my, Kid, hey we want threes or.
LAYUPS i don't care if you miss it for seven.
Threes just keep. Shooting who? Cares threes are.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Layups that's what THE nba has become. NOW i know
some purists don't like. THAT i Think curry's influence In
shack is. Correct is definitely a big edge on the
court Over Lebron.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
James let's go To Alex curry with the.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
News, no, no turn on the.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
News this is the.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
HERD i think you nailed it.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
There like With, curry his influence is with the younger,
generation right because you can actually see.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
YOURSELF a lot of these kids can see.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Themselves AND i Am Steph. CURRY i we're number thirty
in my men's. Leagues, Jalous i'm not. KIDDING i Am.
Curry we got custom. JERSEYS i got.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Thirty i'm my whole family does. Too like, obviously, guys my.
COUSIN i tell everybody he's my. Cousin all, right let's
get started with your, jets Because New york has had
nine straight losing seasons and five straight double digit last.
Seasons but new head Coach Aaron glenn has a new
message for the team and here's what he had to.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Say understand what phase one is really. ABOUT i, mean
we're trying to get, bigger, faster, stronger and more. Explosive
and that's the only THING i want the players worrying
about that.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Point all, right we have a.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Lot of time for.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
Scheme we have a lot of time to talk about
Super bowl and. Playoffs but right, now, man building a
coaching and building an, environment and that building is the
most important thing right.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Now to, me this is smart because with The, jets
you have to go back to the. Basics right you
haven't been to the playoffs in fourteen, seasons which is
the longest active streak thanks in THE. Nfl just to
rub it in a little, more but you can't talk
about Super bowls until you create a winning, culture until
you create a winning. Environment AND i think that if
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people don't want to hear that this is the right,
attitude you have to have to come in and really
start from the ground up with an. Organization do you
think he's, okay this is your. TEAM i know it's
like it's a little, sense it's, hard but do you
do you feel Like lend's the right.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Guy, WELL i don't, know is that okay to SAY
i don't really have a hot? DAY i, mean like
it sounds?
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Good is it too close to?
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Home?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
WELL i think right out of the, gate he's Like,
aaron we're building a. Culture Aaron rodgers is not for. Us,
yes like that that became, obvious, Right, yeah that's. Good
rogers wants.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
To do his. Thing, yeah he's gonna. Whatever that doesn't
work for. Us we want a core group.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Of guys to get together and develop something. Together it's
easier said than, done right would you agree with?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Yeah BUT i mean you have to start with that
kind of an. Attitude Every i've covered a bunch of
different championship teams across all the, sports, right and every
championship team has the same like the same, recipe the
same three. Things first thing is like everyone buys into
the coach or the leader the captain's.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Message.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Right and then, too everyone believes that this is the
group that can get you. There there is like that
just that unconditional belief that we can do. This and
then there's a lightness like everyone's having. Fun so it
really sounds like a basic like a basic. Thing but
this is What glenn is talking. About you have to
create that winning culture where everyone buys in to the,
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idea everyone believes that this is the group and you're
having fun doing it because you're still playing a. Game like,
remember you are getting paid millions of dollars to play a.
Game have fun doing, it and then you're going to be.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
SUCCESSFUL i JUST i wonder you were you were covering
like The, angels, right how many guys on a baseball
rotter like twenty five something like.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
That there's a Lot THE nfl is just over. Fifty,
yeah it's, super super. Difficult it is still a culture
with that many.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Dudes and guess what this is a lot of guys
in there have not Won Jack squad in THE. Nfl,
yeah a lot of guys like their Quarterback Justin. Fields
he basically has a one year, deal but.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
He's hungry for.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
It he's he's on a prove it, deal, right and
you know that there is potential. There he Wasn't it
was not the right fit In.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Chicago he's on a prove it. Deal he Is Justin.
Fields you have to prove. It you know what, Else Jarrett,
Wilson you're going to be up for a, contract Suit Brice,
Hall you're going to be up for a contract. Soon
everyone's on to prove.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
It so everyone needs to do well or it could
be great because everybody needs.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Success or is everybody looking out for number? ONE i
mean to.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Feel it's not a looking out for number one kind of,
Sport like it's a team. Sport you have to rely
on each, Other like you're not going to be great
if your quarterback's not great if you're a wide, Receiver
like if you don't have your wide receiver on your
same page as a, quarterback you're not going to be.
Great like it's a different. SITUATION i think it can
work in their, favor but, everyone, again everyone has to buy,
in and everyone has to buy in To Aaron glenn's
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what do you think they're buying.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Into that report that The jets won a multiple two
headed backfield When Breese hall is one of the best
backs in the league and looking at it a big.
CONTRACT i Think.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Garret wilson feels when they bring In Devonte adams last,
Year he's, like what the, HELL i, know it's sounds
great to be like everybody's got to buy, in but like.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
It's they do, stuff but that's the.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Culture but that's what he's talking. About it maybe building the,
culture that's what you have to.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Do, yeah, oh you're you're beating.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Up you're beating up about fourteen years no.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Playoffs, yeah the longest active, Streak brudo not.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Fun all.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Right let's move on To Tyreek, hill who was back online.
Yesterday The dolphins wide receiver tweeted a peace, sign which
set off waves of speculation AMONG nfl. Fans, Now tyreek's
been back and forth on his commitment to The dolphins
over the last few, months and.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
This is the. Latest and you know, what J, mac this.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Is this is the classic example of you don't know
what you got till it's gone, Right like he was
in the best situation with a dynasty with The chiefs
And Patrick, Mahomes like you literally had it as good
as it's going to get in THE, nfl and you
chose for a money grab over, that which as an,
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athlete no one is going to get.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Mad at you for.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
That that is your.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Decision it's a very small window for an athlete to
make all of your. Money and there are two ways
you can. Go you can take less money and be
on a championship, team or you can take the most
money and probably not be on a winning. Team but
he made this, decision so YOU i don't feel bad for.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Him you chose to leave the.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
DYNASTY i mean The chiefs kind of made an easy.
Way you, can't you, Know that's What i'm.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Saying you have to take less money if you want
to stay with a championship.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
TEAM i don't. KNOW i just If I'm mike. McDaniel you,
know how do you build a culture In miami when you.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Got this clown Out you're Saying i'm out? Deuces you,
know like this is what the third? TIME i think
he ended the season by saying. It then he did
some social media, nonsense and now he's doing it.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Again, yeah so he likes to create VERY o doubt
he likes to create.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Drama you think get into locker rooms like?
Speaker 8 (26:17):
That?
Speaker 7 (26:18):
No absolutely, Not like you also want a guy that
wants to be.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
THERE i JUST i was trying to where do you
think you?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
GO i just don't know who wants to add this
disfrontle like Overpaid wie now and, LISTEN i know healthy
and locked.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
In he's hella.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Good if The steelers didn't just.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Sign uh that.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Cap he Like tomlin can handle this great BECAUSE i
know what he does.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
At his age. Too he's getting at their an.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
AGE i.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
KNOW i still he's still though a number. ONE i
thought he's still. Done the speed.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Could have taken a chance With Jim harbaugh being, like,
dude get your.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Acting that could.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Work but that could.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Work they still, Weapons, yeah they, Do AND i feel
Like harbaugh is a guy that you co the leader
that you would.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Respect he creates a.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Culture that's what he did last, year immediately turned them
into a winning.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Team my only advice To Tyreek, hill not that he, asked.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yep is clean up your life off the. Field i'm
sure you've read about OH i, mean.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Oh, yeah b it's.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Bad it's, bad and then you worry about the team
and the. Culture so like he focus on. Football, Again
i'm not bashing the. Guy the reality is he's got, like.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Yeah he's got a lot of.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
NOISE a got a lot of noise in the locker,
room off the field.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
And back at.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Home and it's not good. Noise let's just put it that. Way,
Okay let's switch to THE. Nba when The lakers treated
For Lugan. Doncic it also cleared a lot of space
For Austin reeves to be the clear third, option and
he has. Delivered The lakers are twenty six and eight
and When reeves scores twenty or more, points they are
eighteen and eighteen when he does.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It SO.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
I don't know if you Remember reeves.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Talked about this a little bit, ago But lebron saw
his potential very early, on And austin Credits lebron for.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Right he, said ever since day. ONE i remember my rookie.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Year he was on my booty for a two weeks
stretch AND i was getting frustrated WHEN i would mess
up in. Games he would critique me a. LOT i
would get, refrustrated and he kept coming after, me and
he just wanted me to be.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Better AND i.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Can't express how much this Helped Austin reeves become the
player that he. Is to have one of the greatest
of all, time be hard on you and push you
to be the best that you can. Be you can't
ask for a better teammate and leader and someone that's
willing to invest their time in you because they see that.
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Potential and he is a part of The lakers big.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Three, Okay lebron has a DECENT i for tellent. Al
just my favorite thing About Austin.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Reeves And i've been a president of The Austin reeves
Stand club for quite some. Time, yeah What's he's like
a big golf for, two isn't? He it's like A
i think on social media he's a he's got like outside.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
INTERESTS i just love everything about this.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yeah AND i remember in THE ncaa tourn and he
was At oklahoma and he was playing Undefeated.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Gonzaga you guys can look it. Up it's on.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
YouTube And gonzaga With Jalen, subbs who's an amazing defender
in THE, nba could not stop. Him they Had memhard
who's with The, pacers could not stop, Him Drew, timmy
the big. Guy they like four pros on that. Team
nobody could Stop Austin. Reeves he cooked For hold on
twenty seven. POINTS i remember it AND i tweeted out that.
Day Austin reeves is a.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Pro that guy.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Good he's great and his story as with The, lakers
he is.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Outstanding and he Credits Lebron james like, that like to
to have.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
The greatest in our. Game right. Now literally.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Push you to be the best that you could be
your rookie. Year that is the reason he is where
he is right.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
Now that is the.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Reason, yeah you, know we're in the take, Business. ALEX
i will not forget WHEN i came on this show
AND i, said, Oh Austin.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Reeves he's better Than Mark, price who was The cavs
point guard in the eighties in one, leg who meant
to went To All Star, games who was all THE
nba and all these people jumped down my. Throat some
guy did a specific video about how Great Mark price.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Was, Folks Austin rees is a real. Deal he is.
Down he could do, everything.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Carried this team on nights That luca And lebron are
off like he is putting up same numbers as one
of the greatest And Lebron james and the future of
the league in Lukadancec, Like Austin reeves is the real
deal and a part of this big three on The
lakers huge.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
Fit, yeah big me, too all, Right.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Alex story with the, News well that's.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
The, news and thanks for stopping by The.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Heard line news all, right coming, Up there was a
report late yesterday about The suns they don't want to
Trade Kevin, Durant.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Oh, boy wait to. YOU i hear the rest of
that story that's coming up.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
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Speaker 4 (31:46):
Rich so Since Kevin durant popped his achilles against The
raptors in the, finals he has had two playoff series.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Wins that's. It he's also been swept. Twice he's on
his second.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Team So Brian, winhurst who's a great, reporter he went
out yesterday and said that The sons do not want
to Trade Kevin, durant and it was very puzzling for
a really quality reporter In windhors to.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Come out and say. That it's, like, wait why is
he saying?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
NOW i wonder what's going.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
On and THEN i looked AND i was, Like, oh
The sons could get eliminated from the play in if
they lose tonight and other things, happen they play The,
Warriors sons are probably gonna.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
LOSE kd will not. Play so it's.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Interesting on the eve of The suns getting eliminated that
huge luxury tax, bill The Brad beale untradeable Contract Devin,
booker who went from being in the finals and nearly
beat The bucks to, now oh my, gosh we can't
even make the freaking play in And Kevin, durant who
they tried to trade last. Month, folks it's all pointing
to The sons are trying to get ahead of damage
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control and prevent this from being like a two Month
Where's Kevin durant gonna?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Go because that's what's headed for the next two months
in THE. Nba he's the big. Name he's thirty, six
turn thirty seven In.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
September, okay so we're batting around ideas in the morning
meeting about WHERE kd could. GO i pushed The rockets
a little while. Ago a lot of people like The.
Rockets other people, say, well.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Maybe The, warriors maybe The. Knicks and one of our
guys had a really good. One he, goes what about
The Minnesota, Timberwolves AND i, said, damn that's.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Good do you remember What Anthony edwards said about his,
Guy Kevin durant earlier this Year KEVIN. D, yeah Anywhere's
Kevin durant.
Speaker 11 (33:34):
Plays i'm gonna be ready to play, him not because
like me versus? Him, yeah me versu, him but more
so just like that's my favorite player of all. Time
he's the greatest player to me of all you know
What i'm. Saying so it's just LIKE i want to
beat him.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Now that is.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
SPICY i did not put it together until this, morning
And i'm, like, WELL kd And Anthony?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Edwards does that? Work? Hell?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah it works on multiple levels because a it's you're
keeping your superstar, happy which you have to do in the.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
League, now remember we.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Just saw the map Trade Luka doncic a few months
after we got them to the?
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Finals still? Crazy do you Keep Anthony edwards? Happy? Yes
is their new ownership In? Minnesota? Yes what does new
ownership typically like to do in?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Sports as a minority owner of a soccer team In,
MEXICO i can tell you the answer is go out
and get, superstars makes big, waves do interesting. Things it
would be very interesting if The timberwolves made a play FOR.
Kd now here's the. Problem what's the trade looking? Like
So i've been tinkering on the trade machines that are
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out there on social. Media it ain't. Easy but some
sort of package Involving Julius randall probably WHO'S i. LISTEN
i like, him BUT i don't it just it never
seems to work out anywhere he.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Goes maybe you get off The Rudy gobert. Contract maybe
you have to Include Rob.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
DILLINGHAM i wouldn't, want but The sons are not in
great shape and they have to do. Something they cannot
have the biggest luxury tax bill in the league and
not even make the. Playoffs so Yesterday Rick buker came,
On Remember i've.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Been pushing This. Houston If houston losers in.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
The first, round they've got young, pieces and they've got.
Picks picks are important Because i'm gonna turn back the
clock real. Quick Rudy gobert went for four first round.
Picks Michale bridges went for five first round. Picks but
the calculus changed When Luka doncic was. Traded maybe the
picks aren't as good as everybody thinks they. ARE i, mean,
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hell If Kevin duranco's To minnesota like they're gonna be,
good the picks aren't gonna be. Valuable so you kind
of want stars in, return which is What dallas got
For Luca Anthony, davis Super Max, christy who Again Max christy's.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Good you guys can poo poo them all you, want
and a. Pick they should have probably tried to Get
Austin reeves as, well but that's neither here nor.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
There And Rick buker came on and here's what he
said about The. Dockets maybe make it a move For.
Speaker 12 (36:01):
Katie his committed lack of related, leadership his COMMITTED i
just want to hoop and you. Play you take a
player of that talent and bring him into your, team.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It just it screws up the.
Speaker 12 (36:16):
Dynamic AND i love this dynamic of The, Rockets and,
YES i do think they need to upgrade, there BUT
i wouldn't sacrifice that for a roll of the dice
on A Kevin.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Durant now that's interesting that he would not sacrifice all
the youth they.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Have it feels like they have a.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
CULTURE i don't know If durant would clash With Ime,
udoka who is spicy as hell and will say whatever's
on his, mind WHICH i respect BECAUSE i like the.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Thing i'm in the same way. Sometimes But Kevin.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Durant is an interesting divisive. Figure so he was In Oklahoma.
City he Had James harden And Russell. Westbrook who do
you think the leader of that team was Because Kevin,
durant As rick, said is on, RECORD i don't want
to be a.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
LEADER i just want to.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
WHOP i just want to go out and play. Basketball, well, Unfortunately,
buddy that's part of the. Deal when you become a franchise,
player face of the franchise and you're a, superstar you've
got to be a. Leader and he just didn't really embrace.
That So Russell westbrook's, Like i'm the. Leader and Then
Russell westbrook, said well if, us Since i'm the, LEADER
i get all the. Shots and it just didn't quite
work out BETWEEN kd And. Russ and if you remember
(37:24):
famously the cupcake, saga.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
There's a thought around the league THAT kd soft and
he's mentally.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
FRAGILE i don't totally agree with all of, that but
some of the stuff laid out by other, players, reporters, pundits.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It kind of sort of makes. Sense Now i'm rooting
FOR kd. AGAIN i thought he was the best player
on the. Planet it was a, perfect seamless fit In Golden.
State he didn't have to be the.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Leader leader was Either curry the quiet leader Or draymond the,
alpha who kind of RAN kd out of. Town so
is there a team THAT kd fits where he could
just sleep seamlessly slide? IN i think used To Maybe
minnesota would be perfect because guess, What Anthony edwards is
the leader of that. Team he's the man it all goes.
(38:08):
Through ant is, rudy kind of getting in the way sort,
of but he's been a good, defender no. DOUBT i
just think this this is gonna be a summer Of Kevin.
Durant the biggest problem that people overlooking is what are
you giving up for a guy who's thirty six is
gonna be thirty seven In. September you're not giving up
four or five first round. Picks you're just not doing.
That are you mortgaging your future for a year or
(38:31):
two WITH? Kd and let's be, real even With durant
In houston Or, minnesota.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
They're not the. Favorites there's no way through the. FAVORITES.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Okc he's still got a much more well rounded Roster,
boston vastly superior to ANYTHING kd And ant would put.
Together but from like a marketing perspective and a, branding
oh my, Gosh timberwolves games are gonna be a. SHOW
kd And ant those are two electrifying, players and you
kind of sort of have The Luca lebron vibe With
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lebron at FORTY kd thirty, Seven luca in his prime
and in his, prime you've got, those.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
You, know big gaps in years.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Of, age but also the talent gap combined should be
able to push teams Like DENVER.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
OKC i think it's a winning. SITUATION i haven't heard
other people Mention minnesota as A lenox.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Spot got a shout, Out, Zach really well done floating
and this is why we do do a collaborative. Effort
Alex LIKE i like to THINK i have all the,
ANSWERS i. Don't it's a collaborative, effort AND i don't
know your THOUGHTS kd And Anthony edwards In.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
MINNESOTA i think it could work.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
Fun it's a fun. Thought it's just.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Is kade going to have the right attitude and he's
gonna mesh? There that's what it's going to come down.
To is he going to feel like it's the right
fit for him and is he going to give it
all he's? Got because he makes it very clear when
he's not he's not.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Happy what if they say you never want to meet your,
heroes is that what the saying?
Speaker 8 (40:00):
Is?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
YEAH i wonder if it wants to play with his.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
Hero didn't he say he wanted to he wants to
beat his?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
HERO i think he. Does yeats that he wants to
beat up he would you want to prove that would be?
Speaker 7 (40:09):
Cool it could be all.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Right coming up next here on The, herd my top
FIVE nba title.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Contenders you have to know who's going to be at one. Right,
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Alex, how are you no Dodger Blue Todays?
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We gotta we gotta mix it up a bit. But
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I do.
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I'm like, did we talk about that yesterday? You know,
you kind of just talked about how sad you were
about Duke, So I'm like, I don't even know if
we actually talked.
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About who you were taking.
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I had Florida. I think I mentioned it briefly, okay,
guide into the game, but it was a bit of
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You gotta love when it comes down to the last
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in like a championship final game.
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Yeah, that was great. We got a big show ahead.
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We'll do some NFL draft stuff, but obviously, folks, we
have to start with the Florida Houston thriller in the
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I mean, what a game.
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It went from bad to oh, this is gross. The
refs are ruining in to Holy Cow. Would have cumeback
by Florida. And folks, I'm sure you've heard about the
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One of the great predictors of success is do you
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the first sign of a problem, are you bailing?
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Or are you gonna figure out how.
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To solve the problem and get through it. And this
season in college basketball, we saw the Florida Gators lose
three really close games. They were excellent all season, only
lost four games. One was a blowout, but three close ones.
And what happened in the NCAA Tournament comebacks in the
second half four times by the Gators, the Cardiac Gators.
They came back when they were trailing yukon Texas Tech.
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They were down ten Auburn on Saturday, they were down
nine in the second half, and then last night, down
twelve against Houston. I'm told by all the guys who
covered college basketball all season, you can't come back against Houston.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
The defense is just too tough.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Florida said hold my beer please, and the Gators stormed
back with a thrilling final minute. Folks, look at these
comebacks that they've had all tournament, and the game against
Houston last night was just the perfect capper.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Houston had three.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Possessions the final minute, they didn't get a shot off,
and they.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Turned the ball over three times. That, my friends, was incredible.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
And how about the grit displayed by the great Walter Clayton.
Now he's a divisive figure in NBA circles.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
What's he gonna be?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
You know you got you got a pundit at ESPN
saying you got to take him third in the draft.
What let's not go that overboard, Listen. I like Walter
Clayton a lot. He had zero baskets zero for the
first thirty two minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Of the National Championship.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
He is a guy who had back to back thirty
point games. He had thirty four against Auburn. He had
no baskets.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
What did he panic? No?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No, he just attacked the basket, buried to three, had
nine clutch points in the final eight minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And Florida is a champ.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Here's their coach, Todd Golden, talking about how defense rode
the way.
Speaker 8 (03:49):
We've been a top ten defense all year also, and
we've been able to stand up against really good offensive
teams and find a way to get stops. We held
them scoreless the last two twenty and Walter great closeout and.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Condo, great hustle play to win the game.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
And that's what made this team special all years, that
we could win different ways, and we show that again tonight.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I gotta be honest, guys, I'm not gonna lie. I
was on Florida. I was extremely nervous down twelve.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I thought, how are they going to pull this off?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Even when Houston had the ball in the final twenty
seconds with a chance to win the game.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I love the Florida adjustments defensively.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
They blitzed both of the Houston guards, Uzah and Crier.
We're not letting you shoot it. We're going to w
and they get it over to Sharp, who has, for
my money, just the most unfortunate, memorable mistake at the
end of a college basketball national championship since Chris Weber
called timeout, a timeout he did not have against North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I felt so bad for the kids.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Sharp, he had two turnovers in the final twenty five seconds,
dribbled it off his leg. I was like, oh my gosh,
that's devastating.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I felt really bad for Houston.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
But at the same time, Houston Cougars fans, now you
know how US dupe fans felt on Saturday, A Duke
was melting the game away, just handing it to Houston.
Duke was up nine with three minutes left and gagged
Houston up twelve in the second half and then can't
even get a shot off in the fight.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Look at that Clayton, of course put the close out.
Clayton heroic.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
A quick word on the refs, and I don't want
to be bag on the ref's guy.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And anytime somebody says that they're gonna be bag on
the refs guy.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
The refs called four total fouls in the first half.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
They let Houston do what they wanted. Defensively, Houston is
grabby and handsy. It's whether the number one defense in
the country. Well, what happened in the second half.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
The refs came out and we're like, oh, oh wait, we
can't allow this.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
We got to call everything. Twenty six fouls in the
second half. So from four to twenty six. Well, what's
the impact of twenty six fouls in the second half? Well,
Florida is able to actually run an offense, you know,
without being held and jostled. And then Florida starts getting
to the line, they hit their free throws, an amazing comeback,
A great capper to folks. I'm gonna go ahead and
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say I think this was the greatest final for this century.
You had three games all determined in the final ninety seconds,
and three games all the team that won.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Had trailed at halftime. I think it was a phenomenal
final four.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
All right, let's pivot to the NFL Draft, and oh boy,
things are getting spicy at the top.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I do want to preface this by saying, by nature,
I think I'm a risk taker. I can tell you
stories about my family coming from the Caribbean to America
back in the sixties and seventies, but I won't bore
you with that. However, I myself am a risk taker.
Many of you who know my story. I was at
a magazine in New York City. I decided to quit
to run a sports blog full time. You can imagine
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how that went over to the future in laws.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Oh so, Jason, how's work? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I quit my job to run a sports blog and
I get this blank stet.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
What's that?
Speaker 6 (06:51):
You know?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
This was like two thousand and six seven, and I
obviously got a little lucky with it and it paid off.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
But taking a risk worked nine years ago.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
You know, Colin Cowherd and Fox come to me and
they're like, hey, would you move across the country to
try your hand at TV?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Risk taker? Jason, Yeah, let's give it a shot. Why not.
Family was like, are you sure? About this. So far,
so good. We'll see what the future holds. But taking
risks in life, you know, high reward, high risk. I
like being a risk taker. I do some gambling. I
don't mind playing the card games in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Enter the Cleveland Browns, who are in risky territory at
number two. If we assume Kim Ward is going one
to Tennessee, which everybody has, what's happening at two is
all over the place, so everybody knows. One of the
best newsbreakers in the NFL's Adam Schefter, he does a
great job. In February, he said it made sense for
the Browns to draft Shad Say a quarterback, not Shdor
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a quarterback at two. In March, he came out and said,
you know what, Abdul Carter is the lean right now
the Browns. Here we are in April, and Schefter comes
out this week and says, you know, it looks like
Travis Hunter is gonna go too to the Browns. Folks,
nobody knows what Cleveland's gonna do. Let's stop pretending like
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anyone has a clue. It all comes down to what
would you do? And this is where I get risky,
And I say I'm taking Shadoor Sanders. I understand he
doesn't have elite arm strength, he doesn't have elite escapability, he.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Doesn't have elite size.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean, you know, frankly, he didn't have elite protection
at Colorado. So I don't think we've seen the best
Shadoor Sanders. Could he be Tua a highly accurate quarterback
who's kind of sort of limited.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
By his size.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Sure he could be Toua. I don't think that would
be the worst thing in the world. Who is a
good quarterback. He's had a couple good runs. If he
could stay healthy. You know, he's been paid. Dolphin's got
to the playoffs with him.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Could he be too a Sure?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Could Shadore Sanders be Zach Wilson, Yeah, that would not
surprise me either.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Could he be Trey.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Lance, who the forty nine ers riskily is not even
a word traded up in the draft They went up
to get Trey Lance, who I believe is out of
the league currently. He may let it end up on
a roster, but I think the Cowboys have moved on
with this new Joe Milton move. So, folks, do you
risk it by going Shadoor Sanders?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
It too.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I keep hearing Abdul Carter he's safest, safest pick in
the draft. Okay, well you start to drill down on Carter.
He's coming off a surgery, he's got like a foot thing.
And then there are reports about like is was he
the hardest worker at Penn State? You know, maybe maybe
this is people trying to poison the water for Abdul Carter.
I think he looks like a great football player, but safe.
You know who else was safe? Chase Young coming out
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of Ohio State, remember him, one of the boats of
twins twins, sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Boats of brothers, who was with the Chargers for a
long time.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I thought he was supposed to be safe, like they
just moved on from him.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You know, good player, but he was supposed to be safe.
What a safe mean? Is Travis Hunter that safe? Okay? Great,
you've got a wonderful wide receiver. What are you gonna
do with him?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Go ask the Giants how that worked out with maliite neighbors.
They got three different quarterbacks throwing to him and they're
not winning anything.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So what is safe? And I'll counter that with I go.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I take the risk, and I go Shador Sanders because
you know what, if I get Hunter and I got
no quarterbacks throwing to him, I'm probably getting.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Fired if I'm the front office. If I got Abdul
Carter and.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Miles Garrett coming off the adul exciting, I got no quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
But Jay, you're forgetting Kirk Cousins to Cleveland. What about
the rumors? Well, guys, I looked it up.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Kirk Cousins his last five games in Atlanta, he had
one touchdown in nine picks.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
He was benched. Now could that be because of the
Atlanta offense? Maybe? Could it be that Kirk Cousins is washed.
That's also possible.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Is he gonna work out in Cleveland and the outdoor
situations in that division?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I don't know. He seems like an indoor quarterback to me.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I know he went to Michigan State, but I don't
think Kirk Cousins is a slam dunk.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Let's not.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Pretend that that magical run by Joe Flacco where he
won what five games, he got to the playoffs and
they got smashed.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
By fifty because he threw two pick sixes.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Let's not act like that is definitely going to duplicate
itself with whoever you put in at quarterback. I take
a risk and I grabbed Shaduor could you wait until
the second round and get Cowherd's favorite guy, mister.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
McCord from Syracuse. Sure you could do that, guys.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I just went down the list of the best second
round quarterbacks ever drafted. Brett varv home run with Green
Bay not his first team, Geno Smith kind of sort
of thriving now in a late season surge. It didn't
happen with the Jets when they drafted him. He was
a risk second round. He didn't work out with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Andy Dalton, I won't even say Cowhard's nickname for him,
but he has zero career playoff wins.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Could he be Jalen Hurts or Drew Brees a second
round quarterback who thrives and wins the Super Bowl? Sure,
two quarterbacks won Super Bowls see boomerasiyas it was the
second round pick. You can hit on them. But this
idea that hey, Shadore is a huge risk. Isn't everyone
a risk? I mean, guys, I hate to break it
to you. Cam Ward at one, as much as I
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like him, he's a risk.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You know he's good at Washington State, great at Miami.
Is he gonna work in the NFL? Nobody knows.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
And that's why we could talk about the NFL Draft
for nine months out of the year, because nobody knows
a damn thing. But I'm telling you right now, if
you want to be a risk taker, Shador Sanders is
your guy at number two in the draft.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Cleveland. I'm just here to help. That's all we do, Alex.
We're trying to help these teams out. And I think
you got to go Shador Sanders too.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
In the draft.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
It's also like the most important position on the team.
And if you have a gaping hole at the most
who's driving your ship the most important position, you have
to go after it.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
If the option is there, especially at number two.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
You know, and I hear all this talk, Oh well,
you could draft Travis Hunter then trade back in the
first to get your door you know, works at the
Saints level at nine.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, pretre gonna jump up to eight. You give it
up all that draft capital. It just feels like too
many gymnastics.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I think that, like when you say like safe, I
think the safest thing about both Travis and Shador is
their leader, their coach, Dion Sanders who is obviously a
Shador's father, but a father figure for Travis. Like we
heard him talk about that and cry about that at
his Heisman acceptance speech. He knows what it takes to
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win in the NFL, so he's preparing these guys to
be able to be successful at that level. So I
think when you say like safe, that might be the
closest like mentally, I think they'll be ready for it.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Safe or risk, you know, take chances in life. It's fun,
all right.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Coming up next, wait to hear what a former NBA
we'll call him a superstar. We're gonna call them a
superstar said about the most influential debate between Lebron and
Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Back here on the Herd, We're gonna talk about my
top five NBA title contenders at the top of the hour.
The list is narrowing, folks. And by the way, keep
an eye on the Clippers. I don't know if you
notice what they're doing lately. Good things, but who knows
if Kawhi is going to even be around.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I saw my main man, Shack Gosh. I was such
a Shack fan back in the day.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I'm not kidding. I gotta keep it real, keep it
fully authentic. My LA fans hate when I LA fan
friends hate when I say this. I was a Shack
guy over a Kobe guy. I was like so distraught
when a Lakers traded Shack. But obviously it worked out
for both. Kobe one without him with Paugasol, Shack one
got one in Miami. And now Shaq is thriving with
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inside the NBA. And now he's got a podcast called
the Big Pod with Shack. And since everybody's got a podcast,
now you have to weigh in on the big top topics.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
You know that TV shows like this one weigh in on.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
So Shack was asked who's been more influential in basketball
on the court? Seems to be where it was specific
to Lebron or Steph Curry, to you guys who have
dominated the league for about a decade.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Now here's what Shaq had to say.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Lebron was always there, but when Kobe was paying out,
that's when Lebron pun And then you got Steph Curry Pune. Actually,
I'm gonna go with Steph Curry is more influential because
double hot take. If you look at all basketball, it's
being played like gold set Warriors.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Now lot at you on there.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
So I need to back it up, you know, come
back a little. So how do you define influential in basketball?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like, it's a tough word. Like if you want to
just measure.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Someone's accomplishments MVPs titles, blah blah blah, scoring whatever, that's easy,
you could stack those, But how do you measure influence?
And I do think Shaq makes it a rare good
point that Steph Curry's three pointers ushered in the three
point era. I mean technically you could say, you know,
the spreadsheet jockeys who were like, hey guys, hey, hey,
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three points is more than two.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
We should be shooting more threes.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
You could argue that that was the case and that
led to more threes from Curry. Also, the Houston Rockets
and Darryl Mory they deserve credit for being at the
forefront of that as well. I would say Curry has
made defending thirty foot three pointers and logo threes. He's
made that hugely influential in the league. Dame Lillard has
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been doing those now. But like you have to guard
Steph Curry twenty five thirty feet from the hooper, he'll
kill you. Look at what the Houston Rockets did on
Sunday night. They're double teaming and trapping him all over
the half court. You've never seen that before.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
If you want to laugh at something, and I love.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Bringing this up, and oh boy to the Jordan sick
of fans hate it, go to the Jordan Bulls versus
Clyde Drexler Blazers playoff series.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
You could look it up on YouTube. The game where
Jordan hit like fifteen threes.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It wasn't fifteen obviously in the first half. Go look
at the defense on Michael Jordan. They are not even
putting a hand up on over half his threes.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
They're like, you want to shoot the three, go for it.
We're gonna pack the lane. We're gonna pack it in.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And prevent you from getting to the rim. They weren't
even putting a hand up on most of the threes
Jordan made. Now they're guarding Curry thirty feet from the
basket because he'll drain them like it's nothing. Same deal
with Luca. That to me, has been hugely influential. Now,
if Shaq wants to involve off the court stuff, I
think that chilts the pendulum toward Lebron. The player empowerment
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era which a lot of people don't like and maybe
ending because of the new.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Salary cap rules and the aprons.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Lebron completely changed that, and I think for the better.
Remember Lebron was ticked off that the Celtics created a
Big three with Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen on
one guy in Cleveland. He can't get buy that Big three, right,
So Danny Ainge puts that group together. Lebron can't get
buy him and is like, I gotta go create my
own super team. So he went to Miami and started.
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I believe the player empowerment era. Danny Ainge got the
Big Three started, Lebron put his team together, and since
then everybody's been trying to hey, let's buddy up.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It's the Olympics, Hey, hey, what do you think let's
get together.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Famously, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Duranko in to Brooklyn, which
was a train wreck, but we're seeing a lot of
that and that's all at testament to Lebron. Off the court,
you could also factor in the bubble that happened during
COVID that only happened because Lebron pushed it. If you
guys want to go back and do the research, Kyrie
Irving tried to scuttle it. He was very unhappy. That
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was when Kyrie and Lebron weren't getting along. Lebron made
that happen, ended up winning the championship. So off the court,
Lebron has done a ton to warrant, hey man, he's
more influential. But on the court, yes, I can see
the argument from Zeck that Steph because of the gravity
where he sucks the defense all the way out to
him at mid court and opens up three on twos
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for Draymond and four on threes. Yes, that has been
more influential. That being said, isn't it kind of sort
of impossible to duplicate six' Nine lebron or six to
eight whatever you want to call, him who has the
speed Of John wall and the power Of Karl. Malone
you can't duplicate that on the, Playground Steph, curry you,
can you, know you go to any youth league basketball,
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game and you're gonna see kids just jack in.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
THREES i instruct my, Kid, hey we want threes or.
LAYUPS i don't care if you miss it for seven.
Threes just keep. Shooting who? Cares threes are.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Layups that's what THE nba has become. NOW i know
some purists don't like. THAT i Think curry's influence In
shack is. Correct is definitely a big edge on the
court Over Lebron.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
James let's go To Alex curry with the.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
News, no, no turn on the.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
News this is the.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
HERD i think you nailed it.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
There like With, curry his influence is with the younger,
generation right because you can actually see.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
YOURSELF a lot of these kids can see.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Themselves AND i Am Steph. CURRY i we're number thirty
in my men's. Leagues, Jalous i'm not. KIDDING i Am.
Curry we got custom. JERSEYS i got.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Thirty i'm my whole family does. Too like, obviously, guys my.
COUSIN i tell everybody he's my. Cousin all, right let's
get started with your, jets Because New york has had
nine straight losing seasons and five straight double digit last.
Seasons but new head Coach Aaron glenn has a new
message for the team and here's what he had to.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Say understand what phase one is really. ABOUT i, mean
we're trying to get, bigger, faster, stronger and more. Explosive
and that's the only THING i want the players worrying
about that.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Point all, right we have a.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Lot of time for.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
Scheme we have a lot of time to talk about
Super bowl and. Playoffs but right, now, man building a
coaching and building an, environment and that building is the
most important thing right.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Now to, me this is smart because with The, jets
you have to go back to the. Basics right you
haven't been to the playoffs in fourteen, seasons which is
the longest active streak thanks in THE. Nfl just to
rub it in a little, more but you can't talk
about Super bowls until you create a winning, culture until
you create a winning. Environment AND i think that if
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people don't want to hear that this is the right,
attitude you have to have to come in and really
start from the ground up with an. Organization do you
think he's, okay this is your. TEAM i know it's
like it's a little, sense it's, hard but do you
do you feel Like lend's the right.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Guy, WELL i don't, know is that okay to SAY
i don't really have a hot? DAY i, mean like
it sounds?
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Good is it too close to?
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Home?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
WELL i think right out of the, gate he's Like,
aaron we're building a. Culture Aaron rodgers is not for. Us,
yes like that that became, obvious, Right, yeah that's. Good
rogers wants.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
To do his. Thing, yeah he's gonna. Whatever that doesn't
work for. Us we want a core group.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Of guys to get together and develop something. Together it's
easier said than, done right would you agree with?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Yeah BUT i mean you have to start with that
kind of an. Attitude Every i've covered a bunch of
different championship teams across all the, sports, right and every
championship team has the same like the same, recipe the
same three. Things first thing is like everyone buys into
the coach or the leader the captain's.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Message.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Right and then, too everyone believes that this is the
group that can get you. There there is like that
just that unconditional belief that we can do. This and
then there's a lightness like everyone's having. Fun so it
really sounds like a basic like a basic. Thing but
this is What glenn is talking. About you have to
create that winning culture where everyone buys in to the,
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idea everyone believes that this is the group and you're
having fun doing it because you're still playing a. Game like,
remember you are getting paid millions of dollars to play a.
Game have fun doing, it and then you're going to be.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
SUCCESSFUL i JUST i wonder you were you were covering
like The, angels, right how many guys on a baseball
rotter like twenty five something like.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
That there's a Lot THE nfl is just over. Fifty,
yeah it's, super super. Difficult it is still a culture
with that many.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Dudes and guess what this is a lot of guys
in there have not Won Jack squad in THE. Nfl,
yeah a lot of guys like their Quarterback Justin. Fields
he basically has a one year, deal but.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
He's hungry for.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
It he's he's on a prove it, deal, right and
you know that there is potential. There he Wasn't it
was not the right fit In.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Chicago he's on a prove it. Deal he Is Justin.
Fields you have to prove. It you know what, Else Jarrett,
Wilson you're going to be up for a, contract Suit Brice,
Hall you're going to be up for a contract. Soon
everyone's on to prove.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
It so everyone needs to do well or it could
be great because everybody needs.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Success or is everybody looking out for number? ONE i
mean to.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Feel it's not a looking out for number one kind of,
Sport like it's a team. Sport you have to rely
on each, Other like you're not going to be great
if your quarterback's not great if you're a wide, Receiver
like if you don't have your wide receiver on your
same page as a, quarterback you're not going to be.
Great like it's a different. SITUATION i think it can
work in their, favor but, everyone, again everyone has to buy,
in and everyone has to buy in To Aaron glenn's
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what do you think they're buying.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Into that report that The jets won a multiple two
headed backfield When Breese hall is one of the best
backs in the league and looking at it a big.
CONTRACT i Think.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Garret wilson feels when they bring In Devonte adams last,
Year he's, like what the, HELL i, know it's sounds
great to be like everybody's got to buy, in but like.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
It's they do, stuff but that's the.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Culture but that's what he's talking. About it maybe building the,
culture that's what you have to.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Do, yeah, oh you're you're beating.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Up you're beating up about fourteen years no.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Playoffs, yeah the longest active, Streak brudo not.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Fun all.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Right let's move on To Tyreek, hill who was back online.
Yesterday The dolphins wide receiver tweeted a peace, sign which
set off waves of speculation AMONG nfl. Fans, Now tyreek's
been back and forth on his commitment to The dolphins
over the last few, months and.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
This is the. Latest and you know, what J, mac this.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Is this is the classic example of you don't know
what you got till it's gone, Right like he was
in the best situation with a dynasty with The chiefs
And Patrick, Mahomes like you literally had it as good
as it's going to get in THE, nfl and you
chose for a money grab over, that which as an,
(25:23):
athlete no one is going to get.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Mad at you for.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
That that is your.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Decision it's a very small window for an athlete to
make all of your. Money and there are two ways
you can. Go you can take less money and be
on a championship, team or you can take the most
money and probably not be on a winning. Team but
he made this, decision so YOU i don't feel bad for.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Him you chose to leave the.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
DYNASTY i mean The chiefs kind of made an easy.
Way you, can't you, Know that's What i'm.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Saying you have to take less money if you want
to stay with a championship.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
TEAM i don't. KNOW i just If I'm mike. McDaniel you,
know how do you build a culture In miami when you.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Got this clown Out you're Saying i'm out? Deuces you,
know like this is what the third? TIME i think
he ended the season by saying. It then he did
some social media, nonsense and now he's doing it.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Again, yeah so he likes to create VERY o doubt
he likes to create.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Drama you think get into locker rooms like?
Speaker 8 (26:17):
That?
Speaker 7 (26:18):
No absolutely, Not like you also want a guy that
wants to be.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
THERE i JUST i was trying to where do you
think you?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
GO i just don't know who wants to add this
disfrontle like Overpaid wie now and, LISTEN i know healthy
and locked.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
In he's hella.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Good if The steelers didn't just.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Sign uh that.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Cap he Like tomlin can handle this great BECAUSE i
know what he does.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
At his age. Too he's getting at their an.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
AGE i.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
KNOW i still he's still though a number. ONE i
thought he's still. Done the speed.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Could have taken a chance With Jim harbaugh being, like,
dude get your.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Acting that could.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Work but that could.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Work they still, Weapons, yeah they, Do AND i feel
Like harbaugh is a guy that you co the leader
that you would.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Respect he creates a.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Culture that's what he did last, year immediately turned them
into a winning.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Team my only advice To Tyreek, hill not that he, asked.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yep is clean up your life off the. Field i'm
sure you've read about OH i, mean.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Oh, yeah b it's.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Bad it's, bad and then you worry about the team
and the. Culture so like he focus on. Football, Again
i'm not bashing the. Guy the reality is he's got, like.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Yeah he's got a lot of.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
NOISE a got a lot of noise in the locker,
room off the field.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
And back at.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Home and it's not good. Noise let's just put it that. Way,
Okay let's switch to THE. Nba when The lakers treated
For Lugan. Doncic it also cleared a lot of space
For Austin reeves to be the clear third, option and
he has. Delivered The lakers are twenty six and eight
and When reeves scores twenty or more, points they are
eighteen and eighteen when he does.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It SO.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
I don't know if you Remember reeves.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Talked about this a little bit, ago But lebron saw
his potential very early, on And austin Credits lebron for.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Right he, said ever since day. ONE i remember my rookie.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Year he was on my booty for a two weeks
stretch AND i was getting frustrated WHEN i would mess
up in. Games he would critique me a. LOT i
would get, refrustrated and he kept coming after, me and
he just wanted me to be.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Better AND i.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Can't express how much this Helped Austin reeves become the
player that he. Is to have one of the greatest
of all, time be hard on you and push you
to be the best that you can. Be you can't
ask for a better teammate and leader and someone that's
willing to invest their time in you because they see that.
(28:36):
Potential and he is a part of The lakers big.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Three, Okay lebron has a DECENT i for tellent. Al
just my favorite thing About Austin.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Reeves And i've been a president of The Austin reeves
Stand club for quite some. Time, yeah What's he's like
a big golf for, two isn't? He it's like A
i think on social media he's a he's got like outside.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
INTERESTS i just love everything about this.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yeah AND i remember in THE ncaa tourn and he
was At oklahoma and he was playing Undefeated.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Gonzaga you guys can look it. Up it's on.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
YouTube And gonzaga With Jalen, subbs who's an amazing defender
in THE, nba could not stop. Him they Had memhard
who's with The, pacers could not stop, Him Drew, timmy
the big. Guy they like four pros on that. Team
nobody could Stop Austin. Reeves he cooked For hold on
twenty seven. POINTS i remember it AND i tweeted out that.
Day Austin reeves is a.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Pro that guy.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Good he's great and his story as with The, lakers
he is.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Outstanding and he Credits Lebron james like, that like to
to have.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
The greatest in our. Game right. Now literally.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Push you to be the best that you could be
your rookie. Year that is the reason he is where
he is right.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
Now that is the.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Reason, yeah you, know we're in the take, Business. ALEX
i will not forget WHEN i came on this show
AND i, said, Oh Austin.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Reeves he's better Than Mark, price who was The cavs
point guard in the eighties in one, leg who meant
to went To All Star, games who was all THE
nba and all these people jumped down my. Throat some
guy did a specific video about how Great Mark price.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Was, Folks Austin rees is a real. Deal he is.
Down he could do, everything.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Carried this team on nights That luca And lebron are
off like he is putting up same numbers as one
of the greatest And Lebron james and the future of
the league in Lukadancec, Like Austin reeves is the real
deal and a part of this big three on The
lakers huge.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
Fit, yeah big me, too all, Right.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Alex story with the, News well that's.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
The, news and thanks for stopping by The.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Heard line news all, right coming, Up there was a
report late yesterday about The suns they don't want to
Trade Kevin, Durant.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Oh, boy wait to. YOU i hear the rest of
that story that's coming up.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
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Speaker 4 (31:46):
Rich so Since Kevin durant popped his achilles against The
raptors in the, finals he has had two playoff series.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Wins that's. It he's also been swept. Twice he's on
his second.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Team So Brian, winhurst who's a great, reporter he went
out yesterday and said that The sons do not want
to Trade Kevin, durant and it was very puzzling for
a really quality reporter In windhors to.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Come out and say. That it's, like, wait why is
he saying?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
NOW i wonder what's going.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
On and THEN i looked AND i was, Like, oh
The sons could get eliminated from the play in if
they lose tonight and other things, happen they play The,
Warriors sons are probably gonna.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
LOSE kd will not. Play so it's.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Interesting on the eve of The suns getting eliminated that
huge luxury tax, bill The Brad beale untradeable Contract Devin,
booker who went from being in the finals and nearly
beat The bucks to, now oh my, gosh we can't
even make the freaking play in And Kevin, durant who
they tried to trade last. Month, folks it's all pointing
to The sons are trying to get ahead of damage
(32:51):
control and prevent this from being like a two Month
Where's Kevin durant gonna?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Go because that's what's headed for the next two months
in THE. Nba he's the big. Name he's thirty, six
turn thirty seven In.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
September, okay so we're batting around ideas in the morning
meeting about WHERE kd could. GO i pushed The rockets
a little while. Ago a lot of people like The.
Rockets other people, say, well.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Maybe The, warriors maybe The. Knicks and one of our
guys had a really good. One he, goes what about
The Minnesota, Timberwolves AND i, said, damn that's.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Good do you remember What Anthony edwards said about his,
Guy Kevin durant earlier this Year KEVIN. D, yeah Anywhere's
Kevin durant.
Speaker 11 (33:34):
Plays i'm gonna be ready to play, him not because
like me versus? Him, yeah me versu, him but more
so just like that's my favorite player of all. Time
he's the greatest player to me of all you know
What i'm. Saying so it's just LIKE i want to
beat him.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Now that is.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
SPICY i did not put it together until this, morning
And i'm, like, WELL kd And Anthony?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Edwards does that? Work? Hell?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah it works on multiple levels because a it's you're
keeping your superstar, happy which you have to do in the.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
League, now remember we.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Just saw the map Trade Luka doncic a few months
after we got them to the?
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Finals still? Crazy do you Keep Anthony edwards? Happy? Yes
is their new ownership In? Minnesota? Yes what does new
ownership typically like to do in?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Sports as a minority owner of a soccer team In,
MEXICO i can tell you the answer is go out
and get, superstars makes big, waves do interesting. Things it
would be very interesting if The timberwolves made a play FOR.
Kd now here's the. Problem what's the trade looking? Like
So i've been tinkering on the trade machines that are
(34:38):
out there on social. Media it ain't. Easy but some
sort of package Involving Julius randall probably WHO'S i. LISTEN
i like, him BUT i don't it just it never
seems to work out anywhere he.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Goes maybe you get off The Rudy gobert. Contract maybe
you have to Include Rob.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
DILLINGHAM i wouldn't, want but The sons are not in
great shape and they have to do. Something they cannot
have the biggest luxury tax bill in the league and
not even make the. Playoffs so Yesterday Rick buker came,
On Remember i've.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Been pushing This. Houston If houston losers in.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
The first, round they've got young, pieces and they've got.
Picks picks are important Because i'm gonna turn back the
clock real. Quick Rudy gobert went for four first round.
Picks Michale bridges went for five first round. Picks but
the calculus changed When Luka doncic was. Traded maybe the
picks aren't as good as everybody thinks they. ARE i, mean,
(35:36):
hell If Kevin duranco's To minnesota like they're gonna be,
good the picks aren't gonna be. Valuable so you kind
of want stars in, return which is What dallas got
For Luca Anthony, davis Super Max, christy who Again Max christy's.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Good you guys can poo poo them all you, want
and a. Pick they should have probably tried to Get
Austin reeves as, well but that's neither here nor.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
There And Rick buker came on and here's what he
said about The. Dockets maybe make it a move For.
Speaker 12 (36:01):
Katie his committed lack of related, leadership his COMMITTED i
just want to hoop and you. Play you take a
player of that talent and bring him into your, team.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It just it screws up the.
Speaker 12 (36:16):
Dynamic AND i love this dynamic of The, Rockets and,
YES i do think they need to upgrade, there BUT
i wouldn't sacrifice that for a roll of the dice
on A Kevin.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Durant now that's interesting that he would not sacrifice all
the youth they.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Have it feels like they have a.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
CULTURE i don't know If durant would clash With Ime,
udoka who is spicy as hell and will say whatever's
on his, mind WHICH i respect BECAUSE i like the.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Thing i'm in the same way. Sometimes But Kevin.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Durant is an interesting divisive. Figure so he was In Oklahoma.
City he Had James harden And Russell. Westbrook who do
you think the leader of that team was Because Kevin,
durant As rick, said is on, RECORD i don't want
to be a.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
LEADER i just want to.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
WHOP i just want to go out and play. Basketball, well, Unfortunately,
buddy that's part of the. Deal when you become a franchise,
player face of the franchise and you're a, superstar you've
got to be a. Leader and he just didn't really embrace.
That So Russell westbrook's, Like i'm the. Leader and Then
Russell westbrook, said well if, us Since i'm the, LEADER
i get all the. Shots and it just didn't quite
work out BETWEEN kd And. Russ and if you remember
(37:24):
famously the cupcake, saga.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
There's a thought around the league THAT kd soft and
he's mentally.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
FRAGILE i don't totally agree with all of, that but
some of the stuff laid out by other, players, reporters, pundits.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It kind of sort of makes. Sense Now i'm rooting
FOR kd. AGAIN i thought he was the best player
on the. Planet it was a, perfect seamless fit In Golden.
State he didn't have to be the.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Leader leader was Either curry the quiet leader Or draymond the,
alpha who kind of RAN kd out of. Town so
is there a team THAT kd fits where he could
just sleep seamlessly slide? IN i think used To Maybe
minnesota would be perfect because guess, What Anthony edwards is
the leader of that. Team he's the man it all goes.
(38:08):
Through ant is, rudy kind of getting in the way sort,
of but he's been a good, defender no. DOUBT i
just think this this is gonna be a summer Of Kevin.
Durant the biggest problem that people overlooking is what are
you giving up for a guy who's thirty six is
gonna be thirty seven In. September you're not giving up
four or five first round. Picks you're just not doing.
That are you mortgaging your future for a year or
(38:31):
two WITH? Kd and let's be, real even With durant
In houston Or, minnesota.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
They're not the. Favorites there's no way through the. FAVORITES.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Okc he's still got a much more well rounded Roster,
boston vastly superior to ANYTHING kd And ant would put.
Together but from like a marketing perspective and a, branding
oh my, Gosh timberwolves games are gonna be a. SHOW
kd And ant those are two electrifying, players and you
kind of sort of have The Luca lebron vibe With
(39:01):
lebron at FORTY kd thirty, Seven luca in his prime
and in his, prime you've got, those.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
You, know big gaps in years.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Of, age but also the talent gap combined should be
able to push teams Like DENVER.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
OKC i think it's a winning. SITUATION i haven't heard
other people Mention minnesota as A lenox.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Spot got a shout, Out, Zach really well done floating
and this is why we do do a collaborative. Effort
Alex LIKE i like to THINK i have all the,
ANSWERS i. Don't it's a collaborative, effort AND i don't
know your THOUGHTS kd And Anthony edwards In.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
MINNESOTA i think it could work.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
Fun it's a fun. Thought it's just.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Is kade going to have the right attitude and he's
gonna mesh? There that's what it's going to come down.
To is he going to feel like it's the right
fit for him and is he going to give it
all he's? Got because he makes it very clear when
he's not he's not.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Happy what if they say you never want to meet your,
heroes is that what the saying?
Speaker 8 (40:00):
Is?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
YEAH i wonder if it wants to play with his.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
Hero didn't he say he wanted to he wants to
beat his?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
HERO i think he. Does yeats that he wants to
beat up he would you want to prove that would be?
Speaker 7 (40:09):
Cool it could be all.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Right coming up next here on The, herd my top
FIVE nba title.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Contenders you have to know who's going to be at one. Right,
hint it's not. Okay see
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