April 11, 2025 • 48 mins
Jason McIntyre fills in for Colin Cowherd questioning the Browns for signing Joe Flacco as a free agent, signaling they might pass on a quarterback and Shedeur Sanders in the draft. He shares his AFC playoff teams and why he has the Chiefs missing for the first time in the Patrick Mahomes era. Plus, NBA reporter Jovan Buha joins the show in studio to talk about the Lakers title chances and how they stack up the other contenders in the West
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh it's Friday. What's up everybody? Yes, I'm still here.
Jason McIntyre in for Colin Coward. How we doing today?
I'm fired up. We got some more breaking news, had
some earlier this week, we got some now. I'm joined
by Alex Curry. Is that Aqua Turkoise?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
But you could go you could go Aqua.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
You're not far off.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
It can have many. It's a feel good Friday, Colin, Right,
fivees are high today.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
You're bringing the heat. You're calling everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, see ready he'd get.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
A donut this morning. So I'm kind of finding the
last night sugar high. Yeah, and it's Friday, you know,
for the weekends here and yeah, it's exciting, exciting, especially
for Lakers fans. Great news, not so great news, fans
for the Kansas City Chiefs. We'll get to that shortly,
but I'm gonna start the show with the breaking news.
Like I said earlier, this week, we had Michael Malone
(01:19):
shockingly getting fired by the Denver Nuggets, and then this
morning I wake up to more breaking news. The Browns
have signed Joe Flacco. And that is not a joke.
I know you're scoffing a forty year old j Mack
TikTok was not even around by the time Joe Flacco
entered the league, Like, what are we doing here? What
(01:39):
are the Browns doing? Ah, there's a method to their madness.
Cleveland is drafting second overall, and for the longest time,
I and many others had Shedure Sanders penciled in for Cleveland. Folks,
the slide is beginning. It's starting to sound like Cleveland
is not gonna go Shador Sanders two in the draft.
(02:01):
And they decided they kicked the tires on Shador. I said,
you know what, We'd rather wait for Deshaun Watson's achilles
to heal. We signed Kenny Pickett, and now we got
Joe Flacco as our third option. They're not taking Chador
number two. Overall, I'm kind of short of stunned by this. However,
Let's remember everybody watched college football season. It was a
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great season for Shador Sanders seventy four percent completions really
turned that Colorado program around and made them relevant much
of the season. We would come on here Monday Tuesday
and be like, man, did you see Shador Cook? Did
you see that comeback? Did you see that ball placement
to Travis Hunter? Shadoor looks good, bro, That's all we
were saying. Dion Sanders was joking about steering his kid
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to certain programs or steering them away from certain organizations.
That's what the discussion was. Here we are thirteen days
to the draft and the Browns decided we're good at quarterback.
We don't need Shadoor at two. But it doesn't stop there.
The New York Giants, they interviewed Shador, they saw him
at the pro day. Yeah, we're good with Jamis Winston
(03:07):
and Russell Wilson. Is that not a little humbling for Shadoor?
Like what? However, we had Dame Brugler, an NFL draft analyst,
on the show yesterday. Here's what he said about Shador
going in the top five.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
I think he can be an NFL starter. He's smart,
he's tough, he's poised, he's accurate, maybe not as accurate
as seventy four percent completions would lead you to believe.
I wonder about the way he likes to play. Does
he have the physical traits to get away with that?
In the NFL? The offensive line was bad, There's no
question about it at Colorado. But there are a lot
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of times where he is running himself into sacks and
he's not making the right decision from the pocket, and
so there's things about his profile that really I think
he can start in the NFL. But is he really
going to uplift everybody around me and carry a franchise?
That's my I hang up where Okay, I like him,
I think you can start, But am I taking him
top five of overall? Because it's not just about if
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you miss on him as a top five pick, it's okay,
you're passing on Travis Hunter, Abdua Carter, one of these
guys in the top five. So I wouldn't be surprised
if we're talking mid first round, maybe even in the twenties.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Wow, Well, at this point, it looks like The New
Orleans Saints at nine are kind of sort of the
ceiling for Shador, unless you know, my Jets do something
crazy and decide to take him. But if you look
at that, like, the Raiders are almost certainly not taking
Shudor unless this has been a great immortal smoke screen
from Pete Carroll in company. Hey, we're signing Geno Smith,
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but what we're gonna grab Shador is a developmental guy.
And I say this because folks, I had to look
this up. Shadoor has not thrown a pass since December
twenty eighth, and yet he's tumbling down draft boards, So
what could it be? Well, this is where it gets interesting.
We know that teams have whiffed on quarterbacks. Right the
Panthers trade up for Brea Young, looking like a whiff.
(05:02):
Uh Maserati mitched Trubisky going ahead of Patrick Mahomes trading
up the Niners for Trey Lance. What a whiff, you know?
And you would go down those Josh Rosen was taking
like twenty some odd spots before Lamar Jackson teams with
on quarterbacks. It happens, but what is should what is
Shador doing to make teams saying mmm, I don't know. Well,
(05:23):
he went on a show this week and talked about
meeting with teams, and I don't know. It sounds like
Shador maybe turning teams off.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
When I go visit these toads and when I go
to do all these different parents, I ask room treating
without thinking how I feel, and some get offended. I'm
like it, some dope, you know, make some people company.
Some people, you know, invite that. So, uh, they know
what type of person, what type of player they're going
to get out of me. So I just have to
make sure you know what type of told is, what
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type of dynamic I'm gonna have with them often.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, I don't know about that. I saw some quotes
where he said he wants to come in and transform
the organization. Bro, don't tell me that. Show me. I'll
give you the chance to show me if I if
you make it sound like you're worthy. But it sounds
like Shador may be turning off teams now if you
want to get sinister, Hey, he's doing this because he
don't like the Browns. The Titans are a bit of
(06:20):
a dumpster fire. The New York Giants. Look at those
teams in the last like five years, they have not
been good at all, and Dion has kind of tickets
to pot shots. Is Shador trying to steer himself to
a certain team. We don't know, but I will say
this in his defense because I have thought I would
go Shadoor too. We've seen some quarterbacks tumble down the
draft boards, right, Dan Marino famously fell bad Hall of Famer,
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top ten quarterback all time, Lamar Jackson fell to the
end of the first round, two time MVP already. And
then there was Aaron Rodgers who famously, when was in
the green room, people thought he was gonna go top
three and he tumbles down, way down to the Packers,
And that was humbling. And maybe there's a world where
a draft humble Shador Sanders and the twenty three year ago,
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twenty three year old goes into say Pittsburgh or New
Orleans or I don't know, someone trades for him at
the end of the first round, and that kind of
is the wake up call that Shadoor Sanders needs. All Right,
I'm gonna pivot to the Kansas City Chiefs, a team
I have a tumultuous relationship, shall we say, with their
fan base. Right, it works, This way I say something
(07:22):
in Sandy Area about the Chiefs, a hot take, something
that I believe in, and they yell at me and
then laugh at me when the Chiefs deliver funny thing. Though,
haven't heard from any of those guys in Kansas City
since the Eagles flattened them in the Super Bowl. I
haven't heard from any of them. And if you remember,
we were in New Orleans for the show, I predicted
the Eagles could run away with it. It looked prescient.
(07:44):
I got a lot of YouTube views and into her.
People were loving me for the Super Bowl prediction. Haven't
heard from the Eagles fans lately, So if that'd some
NFL guys come on this week talk about gambling. Adam
turn off, Chris Felika and the wheels started turning last
night when I started to drill down on the Kansas
City Chiefs, and I I'll start with this. The off
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season is when you improve your roster and fix issues
plug holes. Have you guys seen the Kansas City Chiefs offseason.
They haven't done a damn thing. Their biggest signing because
we know the offensive line is a train wreck. It
was in the Super Bowl. Then they traded Joe Tooney,
who was a guard who they moved outside. Their biggest
(08:28):
signing was Jaylon Moore, who fifth rounder out of Western Michigan,
who was a backup in San Francisco, a backup. Now
he's behind Trent Williams, which is kind of, you know, understandable.
Trent Williams one of the best left tackles in Lake
but I think he had five starts last season. That's it.
He's going to be their new left tackle. This is
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how desperate the Chiefs were last year on the offensive line.
They tried four different guys at left tackle. Tooney ended
up being the best at the end of the season,
but they moved off of him. He's now in Chicago.
It's the biggest issue I've had with the Chiefs. They
had not improved at all. And you know, I love
Travis Kelce. Me and my family like Taylor Swift. We
(09:09):
went to see Taylor Swift in concert. I like Travis
Kelce a lot. He's a Hall of Famer. He's coming
off his worst season as a pro. He's thirty five
turns thirty six in October. Travis kelce career low three
touchdown catches. If you look, you could draw a direct line.
It was like basically his stock market on Monday. Right
down Travis Kelce's career stats, right down, folks, I like Kelsey.
(09:34):
Do you remember his last three playoff games last year?
It's a ghost invisible. Didn't do a damn thing. Showed
well in the opener against Houston. After that, nothing, non factor.
He's the safety valve for Patrick Mahomes. And I know
what you're saying. We get receive rights back. Okay, We'll
wait to see if there's a suspension. We'll wait to
see if he gets in more trouble in the next
five months. But then I saw the really big issue
(09:55):
with Kansas City. So last year they went eleven and
zero in one score games. Historic stuff. You don't see
eleven and zero in one score games. And the staff
pointed out to me this morning, Jay, it's not just
eleven and oh in one scoreer. They couldn't blow out anybody.
They had the worst point differential of a fifteen win
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team in NFL history. But it gets better. Two teams
in their division who finished behind them, the Chargers in
Broncos had a bigger point differential than the Kansas City Chiefs.
What's that telling you that the Chiefs are unable to
blow teams out anymore because they don't have the horses.
They're just not that good. They do have, however, Mahomes
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and Reid arguably one of the best quarterback coach combos
after Belichick and Brady in NFL history. That can only
carry you so far. And you, guys, know, if you've
gambled at all one score games historically, flip year to year.
Just a little tidbit, the Denver Broncos went one in
six in one score games. So if the Broncos flipped
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that and are I don't know four in three next year,
three extra wins, they might take the division. I think
the Chargers are probably gonna win that division this year.
And what happens if Kansas City goes from eleven to
zero one score games to I don't know four and seven.
Oh now we're wait a minute, now, We're looking at
like an eight or nine win team in Kansas City.
(11:18):
And I'm not saying they're in deep trouble, because obviously
they're very good. But if you look at the AFC,
the worst teams in the AFC are getting better. Tennessee
is for sure gonna get better with a rookie quarterback
Cam Warton. The New England Patriots added Mike Vrabel, who's
an excellent coach. His record needs no introduction. They're gonna
be much better the New England Patriots. Coward loves them.
(11:39):
He's starting to commit to me that they're a playoff team.
We know the Raiders are going to be better with
a real professional head coach in Pete Carroll, and I
got a better quarterback at Gino Smith. Here are the
Chiefs opponents at home, little edge being at Arrowhead. They
have to face the Ravens, the Lions, the Texans, those
are all playoff teams, the Colts who are eight and nine,
and the Eagles and Commanders who were playoff teams last
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year and met in the NFC Championship. That's a daunting schedule.
Now on the road, they get a poo poo platter
of the Cowboys, Jags, Giants, like they should clean those up.
The Buffalo game obviously will be huge. Guys, I'm gonna
ask you, I'm gonna be real. You look at the
last three years, Kansas City has played ten playoff games.
That's more than half another season. We see this in
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the NBA. All the time. When you make a run
to the finals two three years in a row, that
following year you're drained. The bodies are breaking down, the
players are wearing down, and it's very, very difficult to
keep that sustainability going. I'm making the call here. It's
mid April, before the draft. I don't think the Kansas
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City Chiefs are a playoff team next year, and I
don't think there crater until like a six to seven
win team. But guys, nine wins might not make the
playoffs in the AFC. Nine you're fine probably in the NFC,
but nine in the af when you got the Patriots
on the come up, obviously the Bills are going nowhere.
We know the Ravens are good, Houston Texan CJ. Stroud,
(13:07):
they'll win the division. I think the Chargers win the division,
and I think the Bengals who won nine games then
still have you know Joe Burrow and I Cowhurtz convince
me the Patriots are a playoff team and I'll go
Denver Broncos. Kansas City Chiefs missing the playoffs. Go ahead,
screen grab it, shave it tag whoever you, whoever the
hell you want. I'm on record, April twenty twenty five.
(13:28):
Kansas City Chiefs no playoffs next season, So Alex I
decided to choose violence here early on yew what I'm.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Over here just shaking my head. It's still the Kansas
City Chiefs. There's still a dynasty. Yes, they laid an
egg in the Super Bowl, but it's still Patrick Mahomes
one of the greatest quarterbacks in our game right now,
and Andy Reid the best quarterback coach duo.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It's fair what they have.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
The most experienced people still can't figure out a way
to beat them, especially in the postseason, unless you're the
Eagles and your defense just absolutely wins the championship. I
just know that Jids are getting to the playoff disagreement.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Okay, well, Maria ad Alex toss it on the fire
and not a log on the fire for when the
Chiefs fail this upcoming next coming up next year on
the show. So we know the Lakers are gonna probably
win tonight against Houston or Portland. They're gonna get the
three seed. Who would you rather face? The Warriors are
the Clippers. This is not easy because one of those
(14:22):
teams is super hot, the other has Steph Curry. That's
next year on The Herd.
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Listen. What I'm about to say is real and authentic.
Let's go maybe not Shador Sanders level, keeping it real.
But there's this guy in the NBA named John Morant
and he is a phenomenal basketball player. Period like three
years ago, John Morant was on track to be the
face of the NBA. I looked this up. In his
third year, Memphis got to the conference semifinals, and this
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guy was dynamite, just an outstand player. And it has
gone rapidly downhill for Jamaran. So last night he's playing
against the Minnesota Timberwolves and John Moran, who earlier this
week was doing a gun celebration pointing out at the
Warrior's bench. I believe it was at Buddy Healed. And
(15:17):
now Jah Moran has decided since he got told stop
doing the gun celebration, guy who was in trouble for
having a gun on Instagram Live, he decided, Okay, let
me pivot off the guns and I'll go to a
grenade celebration So last night, John Moran bangs the three
against Minnesota in another loss. By the way, Minnesota smoked him,
and here you see on the screen John Moran three.
(15:39):
He's all excited, pulls the pin, chucks the grenade and
cover his ears. My guy, what are we doing? Somebody
on our staff? I should call him out by name,
but I'm not going to. I thought it was a
great take. Is he trying to get his way out
of Memphis? Like it's possible, unlikely, but possible. Why do
you keep doing dumb things? This is not a cool celebration.
(16:03):
You know, are guys jealous that Steph Curry has the
sleep thing when he hit the three late in the game.
I mean he did at the Olympics and it's an
iconic image. He does it in the NBA, it's pretty awesome.
So John's like, I need my signature thing. How about winning?
How about playing for your coach?
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Now?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know the Memphis has been a little rocky this season,
which adds to the potential. Is joh trying to get
out of Memphis? So Memphis, their head coach, kind of
had let John Morant do his thing and whatever, and
then he keeps getting hurt so they're like, we need
some protections. Let's bring in some assistant coaches who are
gonna take the ball out of Jaw's hands and make
everyone else better, make it more well rounded. And so
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that worked for a little while and Jaw's numbers came down,
but then it stopped working and jos said, bleep this,
I'm gonna get mine. And then they end up firing
the coach. And so it's this weird tug of war
inside Memphis internally, do we want to ride Jaw or
do we want to get everybody better? This reminds me
and I'm not comparing Ja Morant to Michael Jordan. It's
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just an obvious coaching strategy. Michael Jordan had the run
of the show in Chicago. Doug Collins, who he loved
as head coach. Doug, you want me to do me?
I got you. I'm gonna get thirty five. Oh, we're
gonna lose in the second round of the playoffs. So they
bring in Phil Jackson and Text Winter and they put
in a triangle offense. We're structure for Michael. Michael, We're
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gonna take a few shots away from you. We're gonna
spread the wealth. But We're gonna be unstoppable now. The
timing was great for Jordan and the Bulls and Phil Jackson.
The rest of the East was weakening. The Celtics were
breaking down. The Pistons definitely broke down. The Ewings Nicks
my favorite team of my youth. They could never take
down the Bulls in a playoff series that mattered, and
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the rest is history. You know, Michael Jordan rides a
triangle offense to massive success, six titles, blah blah blah.
Is there a world where John Morant can fall in
line for the betterment of the team and franchise? And
given his track record in the last I don't know
four years, I'm gonna go in and say that's not happening. Okay.
I like John Moran as a player. I know he's
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immensely popular among the young kids, but he is losing
that grip the same way Zion, who was supposed to
be face of the league. It was like him and
Jamran can they be the face of the league? Can
they share it? Because they're dynamic and explosive and just
high level athletes, and neither of them has been able
to a stay healthy and be get their act together
off the court, John Moran just advice. You don't need
(18:36):
to take ditch the grenade celebration man. Just play basketball,
be a leader and win some games. That's probably your
best bet to get back on top.
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Speaker 3 (19:47):
Nicola. Jokich's a story out that he is having the
greatest statistical season in NBA history. It's bolstered by an
avalanche of numbers. Yet the media, the ink stain wretches
who vote for the NBA AMVP are gonna give it
to SGA. That's fine, I don't care. Do whatever you want.
We know Yokich is the best player in the league. Again,
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I like to think I have all the best takes,
but when you sit at a table with like eight
guys and girls, they're gonna cook with some good stuff, folks.
Just hear me out here, Yo Kicic is playing at
a level we've never seen before. This is better than
anything Shack did. Sorry, Shack Okay is better than Wilt
Chamberlain in the seventies against off duty firefighters and plumbers.
(20:31):
All right, Yo Kicch is tearing up the Golden Era
in the NBA, tearing it up, averaging a thirty point
triple double of twenty nine point eight whatever round up.
And he's doing it without another All Star on his team.
Let that sink in. The Denver Nuggets have three MAX
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players and one All Star. What And that's when enter
our amazing staff here, somebody, I forgive me, I don't
remember who. You know. He's having a season like Lebron
had early in his run with the Cavs, and I
was like, oh damn, that's a fire take now, initially
on my way to minute.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
What hold up?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Lebron didn't have anybody. He had Ilgauskis, Moe Williams, time
out J Mack. Those guys were NBA All Stars. What now?
That just shows you how, I'm sorry, how weak the
league was in like two thousand and five to two
thousand and nine when Il Gauskis and Moe Williams were
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All Stars. I'm not gonna lie mow Williams would not
be a top twenty scorer in the men's leg I
plan no disrespect. I know he was good fifteen sixteen
years ago he was. How's he an All Star? Jamal Murray,
no All Star, Aaron Gordon, no Allstar, Michael Porter Junior
and his big fat contract, no All Star, and Jokic
is carrying them. Before this late season swoon year, they
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were looking at being two or three in the West
and Yo Kich is basically carrying the franchise without an
All Star. They just fired the coach. And there's a
huge article that just came out a few hours ago
about what the hell happened in Denver, and apparently the
Nuggets wanted to fire Michael Malone mid season at the
All Star break. They wanted to run him out, that's
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how toxic it was. But they somehow peeled off eight
wins in a row and it was basically Yo Kich
just destroying some really bad teams. So of course they
play their first game without Malone. Yo Kich is drawing
up plays on the sideline him. So you guys saw that.
And then afterward here's their new head coach, David Addleman,
talking about the dub.
Speaker 10 (22:37):
We know what's ahead here.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Hey, we got a playoff team Friday, a playoff team Sunday,
so we have a big journey ahead of us.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
The great thing about Tonai all stayed with it. Everybody.
Oh gosh, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It's a happy locker room again. So are the Nuggets
going to turn it around? Or does this go south?
They lose in the first round and Yo Kic maybe
asked south. Now, it seems unlikely that he would ask
out Jay. No European, no international superstar has ever asked
out Okay. Why can't he be the first? What if
he's unhappy? Now this is interesting. I'm sure you guys
(23:24):
saw this. So Michael Malone, like after the Pacers loss,
I think it was Sunday, was like, we hope to
get back Jamal Murray for the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Jamal Murray just announced he may play tonight. So was
it like, whoa wait a minute, Jamal Murray? Did he
hate Malone that much? And why didn't Yo kid step
up and be like, yo, hey, this is my guy.
Don't fire him like you would think if they like Malone,
Yo Kisch would have stepped up. Jamal Murray's now back.
They're playing the bench. Guys. It seems everything is copasetic
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in Denver. The only problem is Yokicic has no help.
And now I love Jamal Murray. He's super clutch. He's
killed the Lakers in the playoffs. In the bubble, he
was mister fifty piece. I think he averaged like forty
eight points in a series. Some of them ridiculous. They're
a good team, but I just wonder if they're teetering,
because you remember when Lebron kept asking the front office
for help and they were like, oh, yeah, we'll get
(24:15):
you a thirty four year old shack And here's Antoine
Jamison who was good for like eight minutes in Washington.
That'll help you, right, And Lebron looked around and he's like,
do you see Dwight Howard getting legit help in Orlando?
Do you see the Celtics leveling up with freaking Hall
of famers and you doing nothing for me? And Lebron's
just pieced out. Could jokicch do that? I know you're saying,
(24:35):
no way. He would rather ride horses in Serbia than
form a team or force his way somewhere. We'll see.
It's still early in his career. He's only thirty, and
Yokis is probably gonna age gracefully given his skill set
is insane. He's like an r Vitas Sabonis passing. We
know he can hit threes. He's hitting forty one percent
on threes this year. That's insane. So I think it's
(24:58):
worth keeping an eye on the the Yogic situation where
he is possibly somehow underrated. All right, we'll wrap up
this hour because I'm gonna go back to my Chiefs take.
I had one of the producers of my year, Jamack,
you're getting crushed online for this Kansas City Chiefs are
going to miss the payoffs, as Alex laughs maniacally. So
we had Ben bolan On covers the league for the
(25:19):
Boston Globe, and I asked him about the Chiefs and
I made my strong case, like, remember I wanted to
be a lawyer when I was a kid. And my teacher,
and I'll never forget this, one of my few teachers
that I remember from elementary school was like to my
parents at back to school and Jason would make a
great lawyer because he loves to argue. And at the time,
(25:40):
I was like, oh, i'll be a lawyer. Cool, And
then I found out you got to go like a
bunch of years of school after college. I was like,
I'm good, no thanks, but I feel like I can
argue anything. And I made the case, the Chiefs are
going to miss the playoffs, and I asked Ben about it,
and he said, I would never count these guys out.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
And they're bringing Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Back for another year.
Speaker 11 (25:59):
There's so plenty time before they kick the ball off
in September.
Speaker 12 (26:02):
There are still moves to be made, whether it's fighting
another receiver or you know, bollstering the offensive line.
Speaker 11 (26:08):
The draft is coming up. I think the Chiefs they're
not just sitting on their hands this offseason. They're trying
to make their their roster better and trying to specifically
address their offensive line.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
So you know, maybe you know, maybe you're writing that
they're not.
Speaker 12 (26:22):
Going to wait fifteen games and go fifteen to two,
But that's it. I'm never counting out Patrick Mahomes and
Andy Reid and Travis Kelson. These guys are too good
and too savvy and have won too many games for
them not to have things figured out by the fall.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And Ben obviously is not wrong there. I'm not counting
out Reading Mahomes. I mean two two are the best
to ever do it. That being said, I don't have
the Chiefs in the playoffs right now now, so God,
I don't know. Sometimes something an idea kick in your
head and you're like, ooh, that's good, and then you're like, ooh,
I probably shouldn't say that on air. So we talked
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about like Shadoor Sanders and he's batching interviews. Well, think
about this with the Chiefs. Sometimes you don't reveal everything right.
Sometimes you hold some stuff back, almost save it for
next time you meet a girl at a bar, kick game,
get a number, but you're withholding some of your good
stuff for maybe a first day of second day whatever.
I talked about the Chiefs earlier, right, I wanted my
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little tangent. I saved some stuff, little Amo, save it
just in case. I'm back to a corner. Do you
guys know the history of the Super Bowl loser? It's
called the Super Bowl hangover. You're familiar with it, obviously,
forty nine Ers fans sure as hell are. Last few
times they went to the super Bowl the following year,
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it fell apart like a house of cards. Okay, four
of the last nine Super Bowl losers didn't even make
the playoffs the next year. I know it's a tiny
sample size. That being said, I will go back to
the other point I made. This team has had a
lot of playoff battles in January and February the last
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three years, ten playoff games that wear and tear adds
up on your body. I mean, Isaiah Pacheco started to
show the first cracks. He was hurt. Offense really sagged.
They went out and got who another oft injured running
back in Elijah Mitchell. Guys, go look at the Chief's
depth chart. It doesn't scare a soul. You cover up
Patrick Mahomes, right, you cover up the quarterback. And I'm
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just telling you, as I call it up here, none
of these guys are like, oh geez, how do hell
the hell do we game plan for Xavier Worthy? Uh
Rasi Rice? We assume her she Rice is gonna be back.
We don't know Hollywood Brown. Remember they got him last
year and it was like, Hollywood Brown, Oh what a
value you get there is? He could be awesome as
the number three. Come on, Hollywood, what the hell did
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he do last year? Sky Moore? Guy can't catch a cold.
Kelsey's getting old. I'm just saying there is a lot
of weakness on this Chiefs team. McDuffie their great slot corner.
They moved him outside last year. Not as great not
as great, struggled, went out and got Christian Fulton, who
just can't stay healthy at all. So you can move
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McDuffie back to slot. Like they're tinkering around the edges.
It's difficult. It's tough to stay on top forever. I
must stand by it. It's not happening for the Chiefs
this year.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I can see Alex smirking, see a couple other people
in the studio. You're like, oh, dear Jmack, what are
we doing? Alex, listen, go go big or go home.
You got me bold, You're bold. You got the teal No,
not Teal trickoise turqoise.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
But Jim Mac, when you're talking about the Super Bowl hangover,
I think that applies to every other team except the Chiefs,
who have won three Super Bowls since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So that's not I don't think that.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Plays has the same effect on a team that is
like a dynasty and they just laid an egg in
the Super Bowl last year, like they are still Patrick
Mahomes and Andy Reid and Travis Kelcafe's healthy Chiefs and
they've always just been. As long as those three are
locked in, they'll figure out the rest. Obviously, their defense
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was also top notch as well. Not No one showed
up in the Super Bowl. But I'm not gonna base
their whole next season on that one super Bowl no
of course performance, It's still Patrick Mahon.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
The Chiefs one score games, no way, offensive line is
a train wreck. I just I'm not buying them. Like
nothing lasts forever in this league. You know that, Alex.
The Patriots, they couldn't keep it together two decades. It
was so tough every single year to make the playoffs.
They have Brady at Belichick. There's just not a lot
they can do around the margins.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
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Speaker 3 (30:44):
Jovonne Boja from the Athletic Lakers Reporter, Sorry to Butcher,
the name Buddy, great to see. Yes, this guy, he's
phenomenal covering the Lakers, and obviously it's a great time
to be a Lakers fan. They're gonna lock in on
the three seed, right, all they need is one win
in the final.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
I think they should lock it in tonight.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And what do you feel confident about this team heading
into the postseason, only twenty seven games for Luca in
a Lakers jersey, I do.
Speaker 13 (31:08):
I think they're the second best team in the West
right now. The only team I would consider taking over
them would be Oklahoma City, just due to the dominant
season that they've had, them having home court in that matchup.
The Lakers have struggled at times on the road, but
right now you look at what they've done post Luca,
the offense is finally coming together. It was really the
defense carrying them in those early few weeks. I think
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they look really good. I mean they were up by
one against Okay. See in the second matchup right before
Luca egregiously got tossed in a tech that was you were.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
In the arena few I was there.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, okay, so you know that meat ball stands up.
He's yelling at Luca, but the ref was right in
the line.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
It was like wrong place, wrong time for Luca.
Speaker 13 (31:49):
Of just he looked back at the fan and the
ref was like running right by the fan at that time.
So I think that the ref thought he was talking
to him, but he had also picked up a tech earlier.
Not a great arguing on Jared Vanderbilt's behalf. So I mean,
I don't think it's he's the easiest player to refle with.
Let's say, right, but you gotta at that point, I
think just say like my bad and rescind it. But
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you know they did rescind it. After that, they did
rescind it. But in the moment, all the players immediately
reacted like, no, he was talking to the fan. He
was talking to the fan because he's had a back
and forth with that fan going.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
Back to the last postseason when he torched the MAVs.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, yeah, it was awesome, or when he was with
the MAVs torching. Ok see, all right, let me turn
back the clock a little bit. So February you get
word that the trade has happened a D for Luca.
I mean, just your initial were you like laying in
bed going to say, like, what was going down when
you heard it and talk to me about that.
Speaker 13 (32:41):
I was at Madison Square Garden, so because that was
a late game, because it was it was an eight
thirty PM Eastern time game, so that we cleared the
locker room a little after like eleven. And it was
all the Lakers' best wins of the season. They won
in New York without Anthony Davis. That was one of
their first big wins with this centerless group that they've
been going with. So Max Christy, who ended up getting traded,
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had a really good game that there was the viral
clip of like, as he's talking to us, they take
down his name plate, and it was completely coincidental of
the timing, but it was kind of indicative of.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
What was about to happen.
Speaker 13 (33:15):
But Lebron remember he almost had I think forty of
that game, and they looked really good. It was like
one of their best wins of the season. And then
less than an hour after we cleared the locker room,
the trade happens. And there was only four of us
in the Nick's press room at that time, and someone
just yelled out the Lakers just got Luca, and none
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of us believed it, and so we immediately started like
texting people and no one's believing it. And then all
of a sudden, Shams puts out his follow up of
this is real, and then we all started like scrambling
and it's just a mad dash and we're going around
the arena calling people, texting people, and Nixed security is like, no,
you can't go here, you can't go there, So.
Speaker 8 (33:55):
It was it was a while.
Speaker 13 (33:56):
Now I stayed up at that point it dropped like
twelve fifteen am Eastern time. I was up till seven
writing than I did my podcast went live, So it
was it was a crazy night.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
So a lot of people think Lebron was involved in this,
but I don't know. Everything I've heard is he was
not involved at all. I don't even think he got
a heads up. What do you know about that?
Speaker 13 (34:15):
I don't think he was involved. I know there's been
a lot of speculation that I do think the circle
was a little bit bigger than what has been indicated,
but not by like much like I think the respective
front office is new to some extent, right because that
there's been some reporting now coming out that there was
some pushback with Nico inside the Mavericks were not like
I think it wasn't literally just like Rob Plink and
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Nico Harrison and in the two owners. I think it
was a little bit of a larger circle than that,
but but more so within the respective front offices. But
outside of that, I like Luca clearly didn't know, right
because you've seen the reactions and the way that the
tribute hit him. There's no way that like that guy
did not know he was getting traded. He was about
to buy a fifteen million dollars house in Dallas that
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he was considering his forever house, so like he thought
he was getting the super Max this summer, buying that house,
and like was going to be a Maverick for life.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
So you know, I don't think Lebronk do.
Speaker 10 (35:11):
Though.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
We'll get to the Dallas aspect of it. But I'm curious,
what is it like to cover Luka Doncics be in
the locker room with him. He's good in interviews, you know,
the English is fine, but I know he's combative on
the court and gets like you know, with the refs
other players. But what's it like covering him on a
daily basis.
Speaker 13 (35:27):
I would call him stoic and jovial, like a mix
of that. So it depends on if it's a win
or a loss. But he's completely you know, off the court,
he's much more introverted and quiet and he'll crack some
jokes every now and then, but like the fiery, expressive
personality that you see on the court, that's not how
he is off of it. And he kind of talks
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about that duality of like flipping that switch, being a
killer on the floor and then off the floor.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
He's much more laid back.
Speaker 13 (35:54):
But we'll say, but he's been fun cover And he
did say a few weeks ago that he's like, I
like short answers, so he tried he's efficient with his
answers to us.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
He tries to keep it like one to three sentences.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
I appreciate that. So let me ask. It's weird we've
talked you for five minutes and we barely mentioned Lebron James,
who I think is the greatest player in NBA history
pres and that kind of says where we are. But
what have you seen a different Lebron since the trade?
Because it you know, if that last game against Dallas
is any indication they're going to ride Luca early was
a doseph Reeves and then Lebron's your closer, because that
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seemed to be the case against Golden State about eight
days ago when they lost the game.
Speaker 13 (36:31):
Yeah, I think Luca and Lebron compliment each other well,
because you see with Luca, he gets off to these
really big first quarters, first halfs and if you actually
break it down by points per quarter. He's at like
thirty forty percent more points in the first quarter compared
to each other quarter, so he's at about like ten points.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
A game in the first quarter.
Speaker 13 (36:48):
So he's often setting the tone early and then he
likes to have defenses overreact and just kind of freak
out to that. Then you start seeing the doubles, the blitzes,
and then he picks you apart with his pass. Lebron's
the opposite. Lebron likes to pick his spots early and
then when everyone's tired, he goes to that extra year
in the fourth quarter. And then you saw it in
the Dallas game. He had thirteen points in that fourth
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quarter and really sealed it. As Dallas they made a
little run there to regain the lead, then Lebron took
over and the Lakers on that one. So I think
that that kind of combination of Luca's hitting you early
and then Lebron comes in for the haymaker late and look,
Luca's capable. I mean, he's one of the most clutch
players in the league. He's capable of taking and making
big shots. But like, I think that that's kind of
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been the way they've been going about it.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, we could roll back the Rudy Gobert tape. Yes, hi,
Oh that was epic. I was actually at a Laker
I think that was at a Lakers game when that happened,
or maybe I was, Oh no, it was a Sparks game.
It was. I was at like a Sparks Caitlin Clark
game when I went down saw that on. Let me
ask quickly about Austin Reeves and how he fits in here.
I've been pushing him on Coward for a while. Coward
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has been like a little overrated. Then I came on
here and said, I think Austin Reeves is at least
as as or better than Mark Price, who may have
been before your time in Cleveland a little bit. And
all these people are like, no, no, no, Mark Price,
come on, he was an all star. Austin Reis is
underrated and he's on an amazing contract. What's it like
him fitting in with these two icons.
Speaker 13 (38:12):
It's been incredible because on paper you thought that Austin
would have to take a bit of a step back.
Because since the D'angela Russell trade, he's really amped up
his usage, his efficiency, his production. And at first few
games that there were some growing pains there where he
had a lot of turnovers, he struggled against some more
athletic backcourts. But from that point on, of like early January,
he's been playing at an all star level and really
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looking at the last fifteen he's twenty five to five
and five with like efficient shooting. So it's been interesting
to see, like with Luca coming, things have actually increased
for Austin in terms of his role in his usage,
his field goal attempts and all that. So I think
it's actually been Lebron who's taken a little bit more
of a step back and been playing a little bit
more off the ball. Austin and Lebron have a really
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good two man games, so he comes up and screens
for Austin, and I think they're stillkind of working that.
Speaker 8 (39:00):
Out with Lebron and Luca.
Speaker 13 (39:02):
But Austin's been been great and he's making thirteen million
dollars a year, so that's one of the best contracts.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
He seems super happy to be here, like you never
see him frowning or anything. Let me ask. I made
a case earlier this week that the Lakers have like
a bit of a They appear to be villains, right,
Lebron's a flopper, Luca argues and yells at refs, and
then there's just a Laker narrative who we hate the
Lakers and they get gifted Luka Doncic and it feels
like going to the playoffs, we know he's got beef
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with Dylan Brooks, Desmond Vane, Draymond Greed. Every team has
had like their moments.
Speaker 8 (39:33):
With these beef with everybody.
Speaker 13 (39:34):
Do you think they are kind of the villains of
the league, you could say that. I mean, I think
the Celtics are up there too, you know. I think
that there's just some natural also because of how many
Laker fans that they're just are everywhere, like that, the
Celtics naturally become the villains. But also they're the defending champs,
so I think that that plays a part. But yeah,
I mean I think so, like Luca has beef with everybody,
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and the Lakers by nature have now inherited with everybody.
Speaker 8 (40:00):
So and I thought it was funny with the tribute video.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
But when we asked him after the game, what was
your favorite moment from the tribute video, he said the
Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
Yeah, yeah, and that was like, you guy's diabolical.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
He really, he's a killer. I mean, I love him.
I guess my question is Lakers heading into this weekend
needing to wins or one win to lot one win. Yeah,
it looks like they'll play the Warriors or Clippers.
Speaker 13 (40:24):
So I did a quick calculation and I think it's
going to be most likely the Warriors or the Timberwolves, depending.
Speaker 8 (40:30):
On what happens with now.
Speaker 13 (40:32):
That's if everything goes chocked, because right now some of
these teams are resting guys.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I just saw that.
Speaker 13 (40:36):
Yeah, So looking at it tonight, every game is easy
for the teams and the playoff mix, except for Denver
and Memphis. Play in Denver, second out of a back
to back from Memphis, they just lost last night to Minnesota. Theoretically,
Denver should win that game.
Speaker 8 (40:50):
They're fighting.
Speaker 13 (40:51):
If if Denver wins out, they're going to be the
four seed and kind of salvage what's been a pretty
rough season for them.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
But looking at it, I think it's gonna come down to.
Speaker 13 (41:00):
Clippers versus Warriors, and if the Clippers won that game,
Lakers will play the Timberwolves. If the Warriors won that game,
the Lakers will play the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Huh, who scares you more? Well, that's tough for me
to ask you. But who do you think is a
tougher matchup for the Lakers, Warriors or Timberwolves Warriors.
Speaker 8 (41:18):
I think that the Warriors are.
Speaker 13 (41:19):
I mean, we just saw them and beat the Lakers,
so there are some recency bias there with that.
Speaker 8 (41:22):
But I just think they're switching scheme.
Speaker 13 (41:24):
The Lakers offense has gummed up at times against switching schemes.
I think Draymond at the five is a look where
they've really picked on big men lately.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
I think one of the most encouraging things for the
Lakers is they've gone up.
Speaker 13 (41:35):
Against Memphis and Houston and OKC and now just Dallas,
some of the biggest teams in the West, and they've
been able to play their double big lineups off the
floor because Luca and Austin and Lebron can go mismatch hunting.
You can't do that as much against Golden State because
it's not a mismatch against Draymond Green. So I think
them with their motion offense as well, that can give
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the Lakers some problems. They like to play fast, they
get out and transition the constant moving and cutting.
Speaker 8 (42:01):
I think between those two, Golden State's the tougher one.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Now, Minnesota did take down Denver last year. Anthony Edwards
was amazing. They did have towns, but I think he
got benched in there. Minnesota seems limited offensively, but defensively
they got they could throw McDaniels right and go beart
protecting the room. That could be a problem for the Lakers.
Speaker 8 (42:18):
Well, Luca versus Gobert, we've seen that movie before. He
wants that. But I'm with you.
Speaker 13 (42:23):
I think on paper, Minnesota has all of the traits
of a team that you think would give the Lakers problems.
They got the size, they got perimeter defense, and they
got the apex superstar in Anthony Edwards, who we've seen
can rise to the moment. However, to your point, I
think you can double and blitz and really force the
ball out of Ant's hands and then it's like Julius Randall,
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Nazrid Jaden McDaniels like I like those guys to an
extend as the number two option in a playoff series
against the Lakers. I think the Lakers would have three
of the four best players on the court in that series.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Yeah, I had a hot take against the Thunder. I
think the Lakers have three of the four best players.
I'm sorry, I go off.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
To can make that case over J Dubb. You can
make that.
Speaker 13 (43:02):
I mean I would probably go J Dub, But but
if Austin out played him, wouldn't be like shocked by
you think.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
The Lakers are worried about J Dubb heading into a playoffs.
Speaker 13 (43:10):
Se, No, they're not. They're not afraid of okay. See,
no one's to be completely no one. If you talk
to the NBA players, they're not afraid of okay.
Speaker 10 (43:18):
See.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah. What do you make of the whole free throw
merchant stuff. I'm sure you've heard it. I'm sure SGA
has heard it.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 13 (43:25):
That I think is a little bit overblown because even
that that, I thought he had a good first game
against the Lakers, like like they held him to a
relatively inefficient Knight for no free throws.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
But like, even within that.
Speaker 13 (43:36):
I thought he still got to his spots, uh and
was you know, pretty productive in that game. So I
think it's a little overblown. It is an element, but
I think Shane is really good obviously.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Top two.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Do you have an MVP vote I do, will you
give it to Share or Joker?
Speaker 8 (43:51):
It's going out in the wire For me, I am
leaning Joker.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
There we go.
Speaker 8 (43:55):
I don't think he's gonna win. I think she's gonna win.
Speaker 13 (43:57):
But I think it's we do this thing where like
it reminds me of Lebron in his prime, where he
would have the best numbers and his team would be
really good, and then we would talk ourselves into another
player where it's like Rose Jokich's numbers are the best
and his team is really good yea, and is it
as good as it was last season or maybe in
previous seasons? Though I also think you could look at
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like the bench and some of the roster decisions they made,
and clearly the coaching situation was not where it should
have been, at least based on the locker room reaction.
Speaker 8 (44:28):
So I just I don't want to overcomplicate it. Like
if you polled all.
Speaker 13 (44:32):
Thirty GMS, at least twenty seven would say Yokich is
the best player. Yeah, so it's like, and his numbers,
Shane's numbers are right there. I'm not like discounting his numbers,
but it's not a thirty point triple double yeah, like
sixty point triple double.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Oh sixty point yeah, yeah, but you.
Speaker 13 (44:48):
Had the thirty twenty twenty game as well, Like it's close.
I just I default to the guy who I think is.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
While we're on the Nuggets, anything on Michael Malone, I mean,
did that shock.
Speaker 8 (44:56):
You or the timing shocked me?
Speaker 13 (44:59):
Not like it had been the worst kept secret in
the NBA that Malone and Booth had some beef now
going for a couple of years, so that that didn't
shock me, but the timing of it to fire your
coach three games left in the regular season and your
GM you know.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
So, are they less dangerous or more dangerous now? Because
they're gonna be They're gonna look different they did the
other night playing starting picket Westbrook a few.
Speaker 8 (45:21):
A lot fewer minute.
Speaker 13 (45:21):
I mean, honestly, I think if you play Westbrook less,
they get a bit more dangerous. I think Jamal Murray's
the wild card there, but with his health and whether
he's going to be back for the first round series.
But depending on how things shake out, it's looking like
they can lock up the four seed. And if they
lock up the four seed, I would likely favor them
in Round one. Problem is than round two you get
okay see, Yeah, they didn't match up with as well
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last year. I think it's been a little bit of
a better match up this year. But I would favor
okay see all.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Right last one. So the whole Lakers thunder thing is
fascinating to me. I don't know if you how much
you look at the gambling ons. OKAC to win the
West is like minus one fifty, right, the Lakers are
like plus six hundred and disconnect to me is crazy. Yeah,
because the numbers regular season numbers. Okaysey's awesome, but the
eye test and knowing Luca and Lebron, I'm like, I
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like the Lakers in that series. I'm curious, would you
like down the stretch of games, we know the Lakers
are gonna have four awesome guys on the court, right,
and maybe the fifth is like whoever's hot, Gabe Vincent
one day, maybe Goodwin whatever. I don't know what OKC
does down the stretch. Who are their five core guys?
Because they can't play the two bigs against the Lakers.
Speaker 13 (46:27):
You're not going two bigs, You're probably going Shay Door,
jdubb Chet, and then that fifth guy might be a rotating,
But between is that enough shooting an Wallace or Isaiah Joe,
Aaron Wiggan, something like Kenrich Will like Caruso, you spent
on Smoke Russo could be could be the other guy.
I think there could be some spacing concerns a little bit.
But but you know, Cruso is one of the best
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perimeter guys.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Is good.
Speaker 13 (46:49):
I would assume it's probably Wallace, but but Wallace or Caruso, Yeah,
that's a good call. Yeah for the Lakers, Like I
think their closing lineup is going to be the FS Ruy, Lebron,
Austin and Luca. That lineup has been crushing it on
both sides, and I just I don't know how you
match up with it because the way they're able to
space you out and they can pick them pop with
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Ruey or dfs have the other guy in the corner
and they could obviously run two or three man actions
with Luca, Lebron and Austin, it's.
Speaker 8 (47:16):
Like it's basically unguardable.
Speaker 13 (47:17):
And then defensively, those lineups have been really really and
you saw.
Speaker 8 (47:21):
It against Ad. They took AD out of that.
Speaker 13 (47:23):
Game totally at thirteen points. So they're doubling and swarming
and like, are they kind of built like the Celtics
a lot of length and wings A little bit, I
could see it. I mean, I think obviously Boston's got
like half of Team USA on their teams, so it's
a little different, but I think that's the team to me,
that like is the toughest matchup for the Lakers because
(47:44):
they can switch and they have so much premier athleticism,
length and defense that obviously, like you know, the the defending.
Speaker 8 (47:51):
Champs for a reason, but that'd be a fun finals.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Certainly, all right. Jovonn Booja amazing stuff covering the game tonight.
I guess the Lakers Rockets say hi Tom. He's nice guy,
walks around the concourse. I've seen him out there. Great stuff.
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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh it's Friday. What's up everybody? Yes, I'm still here.
Jason McIntyre in for Colin Coward. How we doing today?
I'm fired up. We got some more breaking news, had
some earlier this week, we got some now. I'm joined
by Alex Curry. Is that Aqua Turkoise?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
But you could go you could go Aqua.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
You're not far off.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
It can have many. It's a feel good Friday, Colin, Right,
fivees are high today.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
You're bringing the heat. You're calling everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, see ready he'd get.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
A donut this morning. So I'm kind of finding the
last night sugar high. Yeah, and it's Friday, you know,
for the weekends here and yeah, it's exciting, exciting, especially
for Lakers fans. Great news, not so great news, fans
for the Kansas City Chiefs. We'll get to that shortly,
but I'm gonna start the show with the breaking news.
Like I said earlier, this week, we had Michael Malone
(01:19):
shockingly getting fired by the Denver Nuggets, and then this
morning I wake up to more breaking news. The Browns
have signed Joe Flacco. And that is not a joke.
I know you're scoffing a forty year old j Mack
TikTok was not even around by the time Joe Flacco
entered the league, Like, what are we doing here? What
(01:39):
are the Browns doing? Ah, there's a method to their madness.
Cleveland is drafting second overall, and for the longest time,
I and many others had Shedure Sanders penciled in for Cleveland. Folks,
the slide is beginning. It's starting to sound like Cleveland
is not gonna go Shador Sanders two in the draft.
(02:01):
And they decided they kicked the tires on Shador. I said,
you know what, We'd rather wait for Deshaun Watson's achilles
to heal. We signed Kenny Pickett, and now we got
Joe Flacco as our third option. They're not taking Chador
number two. Overall, I'm kind of short of stunned by this. However,
Let's remember everybody watched college football season. It was a
(02:22):
great season for Shador Sanders seventy four percent completions really
turned that Colorado program around and made them relevant much
of the season. We would come on here Monday Tuesday
and be like, man, did you see Shador Cook? Did
you see that comeback? Did you see that ball placement
to Travis Hunter? Shadoor looks good, bro, That's all we
were saying. Dion Sanders was joking about steering his kid
(02:45):
to certain programs or steering them away from certain organizations.
That's what the discussion was. Here we are thirteen days
to the draft and the Browns decided we're good at quarterback.
We don't need Shadoor at two. But it doesn't stop there.
The New York Giants, they interviewed Shador, they saw him
at the pro day. Yeah, we're good with Jamis Winston
(03:07):
and Russell Wilson. Is that not a little humbling for Shadoor?
Like what? However, we had Dame Brugler, an NFL draft analyst,
on the show yesterday. Here's what he said about Shador
going in the top five.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
I think he can be an NFL starter. He's smart,
he's tough, he's poised, he's accurate, maybe not as accurate
as seventy four percent completions would lead you to believe.
I wonder about the way he likes to play. Does
he have the physical traits to get away with that?
In the NFL? The offensive line was bad, There's no
question about it at Colorado. But there are a lot
(03:44):
of times where he is running himself into sacks and
he's not making the right decision from the pocket, and
so there's things about his profile that really I think
he can start in the NFL. But is he really
going to uplift everybody around me and carry a franchise?
That's my I hang up where Okay, I like him,
I think you can start, But am I taking him
top five of overall? Because it's not just about if
(04:06):
you miss on him as a top five pick, it's okay,
you're passing on Travis Hunter, Abdua Carter, one of these
guys in the top five. So I wouldn't be surprised
if we're talking mid first round, maybe even in the twenties.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Wow, Well, at this point, it looks like The New
Orleans Saints at nine are kind of sort of the
ceiling for Shador, unless you know, my Jets do something
crazy and decide to take him. But if you look
at that, like, the Raiders are almost certainly not taking
Shudor unless this has been a great immortal smoke screen
from Pete Carroll in company. Hey, we're signing Geno Smith,
(04:41):
but what we're gonna grab Shador is a developmental guy.
And I say this because folks, I had to look
this up. Shadoor has not thrown a pass since December
twenty eighth, and yet he's tumbling down draft boards, So
what could it be? Well, this is where it gets interesting.
We know that teams have whiffed on quarterbacks. Right the
Panthers trade up for Brea Young, looking like a whiff.
(05:02):
Uh Maserati mitched Trubisky going ahead of Patrick Mahomes trading
up the Niners for Trey Lance. What a whiff, you know?
And you would go down those Josh Rosen was taking
like twenty some odd spots before Lamar Jackson teams with
on quarterbacks. It happens, but what is should what is
Shador doing to make teams saying mmm, I don't know. Well,
(05:23):
he went on a show this week and talked about
meeting with teams, and I don't know. It sounds like
Shador maybe turning teams off.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
When I go visit these toads and when I go
to do all these different parents, I ask room treating
without thinking how I feel, and some get offended. I'm
like it, some dope, you know, make some people company.
Some people, you know, invite that. So, uh, they know
what type of person, what type of player they're going
to get out of me. So I just have to
make sure you know what type of told is, what
(05:55):
type of dynamic I'm gonna have with them often.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, I don't know about that. I saw some quotes
where he said he wants to come in and transform
the organization. Bro, don't tell me that. Show me. I'll
give you the chance to show me if I if
you make it sound like you're worthy. But it sounds
like Shador may be turning off teams now if you
want to get sinister, Hey, he's doing this because he
don't like the Browns. The Titans are a bit of
(06:20):
a dumpster fire. The New York Giants. Look at those
teams in the last like five years, they have not
been good at all, and Dion has kind of tickets
to pot shots. Is Shador trying to steer himself to
a certain team. We don't know, but I will say
this in his defense because I have thought I would
go Shadoor too. We've seen some quarterbacks tumble down the
draft boards, right, Dan Marino famously fell bad Hall of Famer,
(06:42):
top ten quarterback all time, Lamar Jackson fell to the
end of the first round, two time MVP already. And
then there was Aaron Rodgers who famously, when was in
the green room, people thought he was gonna go top
three and he tumbles down, way down to the Packers,
And that was humbling. And maybe there's a world where
a draft humble Shador Sanders and the twenty three year ago,
(07:02):
twenty three year old goes into say Pittsburgh or New
Orleans or I don't know, someone trades for him at
the end of the first round, and that kind of
is the wake up call that Shadoor Sanders needs. All Right,
I'm gonna pivot to the Kansas City Chiefs, a team
I have a tumultuous relationship, shall we say, with their
fan base. Right, it works, This way I say something
(07:22):
in Sandy Area about the Chiefs, a hot take, something
that I believe in, and they yell at me and
then laugh at me when the Chiefs deliver funny thing. Though,
haven't heard from any of those guys in Kansas City
since the Eagles flattened them in the Super Bowl. I
haven't heard from any of them. And if you remember,
we were in New Orleans for the show, I predicted
the Eagles could run away with it. It looked prescient.
(07:44):
I got a lot of YouTube views and into her.
People were loving me for the Super Bowl prediction. Haven't
heard from the Eagles fans lately, So if that'd some
NFL guys come on this week talk about gambling. Adam
turn off, Chris Felika and the wheels started turning last
night when I started to drill down on the Kansas
City Chiefs, and I I'll start with this. The off
(08:07):
season is when you improve your roster and fix issues
plug holes. Have you guys seen the Kansas City Chiefs offseason.
They haven't done a damn thing. Their biggest signing because
we know the offensive line is a train wreck. It
was in the Super Bowl. Then they traded Joe Tooney,
who was a guard who they moved outside. Their biggest
(08:28):
signing was Jaylon Moore, who fifth rounder out of Western Michigan,
who was a backup in San Francisco, a backup. Now
he's behind Trent Williams, which is kind of, you know, understandable.
Trent Williams one of the best left tackles in Lake
but I think he had five starts last season. That's it.
He's going to be their new left tackle. This is
(08:49):
how desperate the Chiefs were last year on the offensive line.
They tried four different guys at left tackle. Tooney ended
up being the best at the end of the season,
but they moved off of him. He's now in Chicago.
It's the biggest issue I've had with the Chiefs. They
had not improved at all. And you know, I love
Travis Kelce. Me and my family like Taylor Swift. We
(09:09):
went to see Taylor Swift in concert. I like Travis
Kelce a lot. He's a Hall of Famer. He's coming
off his worst season as a pro. He's thirty five
turns thirty six in October. Travis kelce career low three
touchdown catches. If you look, you could draw a direct line.
It was like basically his stock market on Monday. Right
down Travis Kelce's career stats, right down, folks, I like Kelsey.
(09:34):
Do you remember his last three playoff games last year?
It's a ghost invisible. Didn't do a damn thing. Showed
well in the opener against Houston. After that, nothing, non factor.
He's the safety valve for Patrick Mahomes. And I know
what you're saying. We get receive rights back. Okay, We'll
wait to see if there's a suspension. We'll wait to
see if he gets in more trouble in the next
five months. But then I saw the really big issue
(09:55):
with Kansas City. So last year they went eleven and
zero in one score games. Historic stuff. You don't see
eleven and zero in one score games. And the staff
pointed out to me this morning, Jay, it's not just
eleven and oh in one scoreer. They couldn't blow out anybody.
They had the worst point differential of a fifteen win
(10:16):
team in NFL history. But it gets better. Two teams
in their division who finished behind them, the Chargers in
Broncos had a bigger point differential than the Kansas City Chiefs.
What's that telling you that the Chiefs are unable to
blow teams out anymore because they don't have the horses.
They're just not that good. They do have, however, Mahomes
(10:37):
and Reid arguably one of the best quarterback coach combos
after Belichick and Brady in NFL history. That can only
carry you so far. And you, guys, know, if you've
gambled at all one score games historically, flip year to year.
Just a little tidbit, the Denver Broncos went one in
six in one score games. So if the Broncos flipped
(10:58):
that and are I don't know four in three next year,
three extra wins, they might take the division. I think
the Chargers are probably gonna win that division this year.
And what happens if Kansas City goes from eleven to
zero one score games to I don't know four and seven.
Oh now we're wait a minute, now, We're looking at
like an eight or nine win team in Kansas City.
(11:18):
And I'm not saying they're in deep trouble, because obviously
they're very good. But if you look at the AFC,
the worst teams in the AFC are getting better. Tennessee
is for sure gonna get better with a rookie quarterback
Cam Warton. The New England Patriots added Mike Vrabel, who's
an excellent coach. His record needs no introduction. They're gonna
be much better the New England Patriots. Coward loves them.
(11:39):
He's starting to commit to me that they're a playoff team.
We know the Raiders are going to be better with
a real professional head coach in Pete Carroll, and I
got a better quarterback at Gino Smith. Here are the
Chiefs opponents at home, little edge being at Arrowhead. They
have to face the Ravens, the Lions, the Texans, those
are all playoff teams, the Colts who are eight and nine,
and the Eagles and Commanders who were playoff teams last
(12:02):
year and met in the NFC Championship. That's a daunting schedule.
Now on the road, they get a poo poo platter
of the Cowboys, Jags, Giants, like they should clean those up.
The Buffalo game obviously will be huge. Guys, I'm gonna
ask you, I'm gonna be real. You look at the
last three years, Kansas City has played ten playoff games.
That's more than half another season. We see this in
(12:26):
the NBA. All the time. When you make a run
to the finals two three years in a row, that
following year you're drained. The bodies are breaking down, the
players are wearing down, and it's very, very difficult to
keep that sustainability going. I'm making the call here. It's
mid April, before the draft. I don't think the Kansas
(12:47):
City Chiefs are a playoff team next year, and I
don't think there crater until like a six to seven
win team. But guys, nine wins might not make the
playoffs in the AFC. Nine you're fine probably in the NFC,
but nine in the af when you got the Patriots
on the come up, obviously the Bills are going nowhere.
We know the Ravens are good, Houston Texan CJ. Stroud,
(13:07):
they'll win the division. I think the Chargers win the division,
and I think the Bengals who won nine games then
still have you know Joe Burrow and I Cowhurtz convince
me the Patriots are a playoff team and I'll go
Denver Broncos. Kansas City Chiefs missing the playoffs. Go ahead,
screen grab it, shave it tag whoever you, whoever the
hell you want. I'm on record, April twenty twenty five.
(13:28):
Kansas City Chiefs no playoffs next season, So Alex I
decided to choose violence here early on yew what I'm.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Over here just shaking my head. It's still the Kansas
City Chiefs. There's still a dynasty. Yes, they laid an
egg in the Super Bowl, but it's still Patrick Mahomes
one of the greatest quarterbacks in our game right now,
and Andy Reid the best quarterback coach duo.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It's fair what they have.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
The most experienced people still can't figure out a way
to beat them, especially in the postseason, unless you're the
Eagles and your defense just absolutely wins the championship. I
just know that Jids are getting to the playoff disagreement.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Okay, well, Maria ad Alex toss it on the fire
and not a log on the fire for when the
Chiefs fail this upcoming next coming up next year on
the show. So we know the Lakers are gonna probably
win tonight against Houston or Portland. They're gonna get the
three seed. Who would you rather face? The Warriors are
the Clippers. This is not easy because one of those
(14:22):
teams is super hot, the other has Steph Curry. That's
next year on The Herd.
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Listen. What I'm about to say is real and authentic.
Let's go maybe not Shador Sanders level, keeping it real.
But there's this guy in the NBA named John Morant
and he is a phenomenal basketball player. Period like three
years ago, John Morant was on track to be the
face of the NBA. I looked this up. In his
third year, Memphis got to the conference semifinals, and this
(14:57):
guy was dynamite, just an outstand player. And it has
gone rapidly downhill for Jamaran. So last night he's playing
against the Minnesota Timberwolves and John Moran, who earlier this
week was doing a gun celebration pointing out at the
Warrior's bench. I believe it was at Buddy Healed. And
(15:17):
now Jah Moran has decided since he got told stop
doing the gun celebration, guy who was in trouble for
having a gun on Instagram Live, he decided, Okay, let
me pivot off the guns and I'll go to a
grenade celebration So last night, John Moran bangs the three
against Minnesota in another loss. By the way, Minnesota smoked him,
and here you see on the screen John Moran three.
(15:39):
He's all excited, pulls the pin, chucks the grenade and
cover his ears. My guy, what are we doing? Somebody
on our staff? I should call him out by name,
but I'm not going to. I thought it was a
great take. Is he trying to get his way out
of Memphis? Like it's possible, unlikely, but possible. Why do
you keep doing dumb things? This is not a cool celebration.
(16:03):
You know, are guys jealous that Steph Curry has the
sleep thing when he hit the three late in the game.
I mean he did at the Olympics and it's an
iconic image. He does it in the NBA, it's pretty awesome.
So John's like, I need my signature thing. How about winning?
How about playing for your coach?
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Now?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know the Memphis has been a little rocky this season,
which adds to the potential. Is joh trying to get
out of Memphis? So Memphis, their head coach, kind of
had let John Morant do his thing and whatever, and
then he keeps getting hurt so they're like, we need
some protections. Let's bring in some assistant coaches who are
gonna take the ball out of Jaw's hands and make
everyone else better, make it more well rounded. And so
(16:45):
that worked for a little while and Jaw's numbers came down,
but then it stopped working and jos said, bleep this,
I'm gonna get mine. And then they end up firing
the coach. And so it's this weird tug of war
inside Memphis internally, do we want to ride Jaw or
do we want to get everybody better? This reminds me
and I'm not comparing Ja Morant to Michael Jordan. It's
(17:05):
just an obvious coaching strategy. Michael Jordan had the run
of the show in Chicago. Doug Collins, who he loved
as head coach. Doug, you want me to do me?
I got you. I'm gonna get thirty five. Oh, we're
gonna lose in the second round of the playoffs. So they
bring in Phil Jackson and Text Winter and they put
in a triangle offense. We're structure for Michael. Michael, We're
(17:28):
gonna take a few shots away from you. We're gonna
spread the wealth. But We're gonna be unstoppable now. The
timing was great for Jordan and the Bulls and Phil Jackson.
The rest of the East was weakening. The Celtics were
breaking down. The Pistons definitely broke down. The Ewings Nicks
my favorite team of my youth. They could never take
down the Bulls in a playoff series that mattered, and
(17:50):
the rest is history. You know, Michael Jordan rides a
triangle offense to massive success, six titles, blah blah blah.
Is there a world where John Morant can fall in
line for the betterment of the team and franchise? And
given his track record in the last I don't know
four years, I'm gonna go in and say that's not happening. Okay.
I like John Moran as a player. I know he's
(18:12):
immensely popular among the young kids, but he is losing
that grip the same way Zion, who was supposed to
be face of the league. It was like him and
Jamran can they be the face of the league? Can
they share it? Because they're dynamic and explosive and just
high level athletes, and neither of them has been able
to a stay healthy and be get their act together
off the court, John Moran just advice. You don't need
(18:36):
to take ditch the grenade celebration man. Just play basketball,
be a leader and win some games. That's probably your
best bet to get back on top.
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Speaker 3 (19:47):
Nicola. Jokich's a story out that he is having the
greatest statistical season in NBA history. It's bolstered by an
avalanche of numbers. Yet the media, the ink stain wretches
who vote for the NBA AMVP are gonna give it
to SGA. That's fine, I don't care. Do whatever you want.
We know Yokich is the best player in the league. Again,
(20:07):
I like to think I have all the best takes,
but when you sit at a table with like eight
guys and girls, they're gonna cook with some good stuff, folks.
Just hear me out here, Yo Kicic is playing at
a level we've never seen before. This is better than
anything Shack did. Sorry, Shack Okay is better than Wilt
Chamberlain in the seventies against off duty firefighters and plumbers.
(20:31):
All right, Yo Kicch is tearing up the Golden Era
in the NBA, tearing it up, averaging a thirty point
triple double of twenty nine point eight whatever round up.
And he's doing it without another All Star on his team.
Let that sink in. The Denver Nuggets have three MAX
(20:52):
players and one All Star. What And that's when enter
our amazing staff here, somebody, I forgive me, I don't
remember who. You know. He's having a season like Lebron
had early in his run with the Cavs, and I
was like, oh damn, that's a fire take now, initially
on my way to minute.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
What hold up?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Lebron didn't have anybody. He had Ilgauskis, Moe Williams, time
out J Mack. Those guys were NBA All Stars. What now?
That just shows you how, I'm sorry, how weak the
league was in like two thousand and five to two
thousand and nine when Il Gauskis and Moe Williams were
(21:36):
All Stars. I'm not gonna lie mow Williams would not
be a top twenty scorer in the men's leg I
plan no disrespect. I know he was good fifteen sixteen
years ago he was. How's he an All Star? Jamal Murray,
no All Star, Aaron Gordon, no Allstar, Michael Porter Junior
and his big fat contract, no All Star, and Jokic
is carrying them. Before this late season swoon year, they
(21:57):
were looking at being two or three in the West
and Yo Kich is basically carrying the franchise without an
All Star. They just fired the coach. And there's a
huge article that just came out a few hours ago
about what the hell happened in Denver, and apparently the
Nuggets wanted to fire Michael Malone mid season at the
All Star break. They wanted to run him out, that's
(22:17):
how toxic it was. But they somehow peeled off eight
wins in a row and it was basically Yo Kich
just destroying some really bad teams. So of course they
play their first game without Malone. Yo Kich is drawing
up plays on the sideline him. So you guys saw that.
And then afterward here's their new head coach, David Addleman,
talking about the dub.
Speaker 10 (22:37):
We know what's ahead here.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Hey, we got a playoff team Friday, a playoff team Sunday,
so we have a big journey ahead of us.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
The great thing about Tonai all stayed with it. Everybody.
Oh gosh, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It's a happy locker room again. So are the Nuggets
going to turn it around? Or does this go south?
They lose in the first round and Yo Kic maybe
asked south. Now, it seems unlikely that he would ask
out Jay. No European, no international superstar has ever asked
out Okay. Why can't he be the first? What if
he's unhappy? Now this is interesting. I'm sure you guys
(23:24):
saw this. So Michael Malone, like after the Pacers loss,
I think it was Sunday, was like, we hope to
get back Jamal Murray for the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Jamal Murray just announced he may play tonight. So was
it like, whoa wait a minute, Jamal Murray? Did he
hate Malone that much? And why didn't Yo kid step
up and be like, yo, hey, this is my guy.
Don't fire him like you would think if they like Malone,
Yo Kisch would have stepped up. Jamal Murray's now back.
They're playing the bench. Guys. It seems everything is copasetic
(23:54):
in Denver. The only problem is Yokicic has no help.
And now I love Jamal Murray. He's super clutch. He's
killed the Lakers in the playoffs. In the bubble, he
was mister fifty piece. I think he averaged like forty
eight points in a series. Some of them ridiculous. They're
a good team, but I just wonder if they're teetering,
because you remember when Lebron kept asking the front office
for help and they were like, oh, yeah, we'll get
(24:15):
you a thirty four year old shack And here's Antoine
Jamison who was good for like eight minutes in Washington.
That'll help you, right, And Lebron looked around and he's like,
do you see Dwight Howard getting legit help in Orlando?
Do you see the Celtics leveling up with freaking Hall
of famers and you doing nothing for me? And Lebron's
just pieced out. Could jokicch do that? I know you're saying,
(24:35):
no way. He would rather ride horses in Serbia than
form a team or force his way somewhere. We'll see.
It's still early in his career. He's only thirty, and
Yokis is probably gonna age gracefully given his skill set
is insane. He's like an r Vitas Sabonis passing. We
know he can hit threes. He's hitting forty one percent
on threes this year. That's insane. So I think it's
(24:58):
worth keeping an eye on the the Yogic situation where
he is possibly somehow underrated. All right, we'll wrap up
this hour because I'm gonna go back to my Chiefs take.
I had one of the producers of my year, Jamack,
you're getting crushed online for this Kansas City Chiefs are
going to miss the payoffs, as Alex laughs maniacally. So
we had Ben bolan On covers the league for the
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Boston Globe, and I asked him about the Chiefs and
I made my strong case, like, remember I wanted to
be a lawyer when I was a kid. And my teacher,
and I'll never forget this, one of my few teachers
that I remember from elementary school was like to my
parents at back to school and Jason would make a
great lawyer because he loves to argue. And at the time,
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I was like, oh, i'll be a lawyer. Cool, And
then I found out you got to go like a
bunch of years of school after college. I was like,
I'm good, no thanks, but I feel like I can
argue anything. And I made the case, the Chiefs are
going to miss the playoffs, and I asked Ben about it,
and he said, I would never count these guys out.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
And they're bringing Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Back for another year.
Speaker 11 (25:59):
There's so plenty time before they kick the ball off
in September.
Speaker 12 (26:02):
There are still moves to be made, whether it's fighting
another receiver or you know, bollstering the offensive line.
Speaker 11 (26:08):
The draft is coming up. I think the Chiefs they're
not just sitting on their hands this offseason. They're trying
to make their their roster better and trying to specifically
address their offensive line.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
So you know, maybe you know, maybe you're writing that
they're not.
Speaker 12 (26:22):
Going to wait fifteen games and go fifteen to two,
But that's it. I'm never counting out Patrick Mahomes and
Andy Reid and Travis Kelson. These guys are too good
and too savvy and have won too many games for
them not to have things figured out by the fall.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And Ben obviously is not wrong there. I'm not counting
out Reading Mahomes. I mean two two are the best
to ever do it. That being said, I don't have
the Chiefs in the playoffs right now now, so God,
I don't know. Sometimes something an idea kick in your
head and you're like, ooh, that's good, and then you're like, ooh,
I probably shouldn't say that on air. So we talked
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about like Shadoor Sanders and he's batching interviews. Well, think
about this with the Chiefs. Sometimes you don't reveal everything right.
Sometimes you hold some stuff back, almost save it for
next time you meet a girl at a bar, kick game,
get a number, but you're withholding some of your good
stuff for maybe a first day of second day whatever.
I talked about the Chiefs earlier, right, I wanted my
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little tangent. I saved some stuff, little Amo, save it
just in case. I'm back to a corner. Do you
guys know the history of the Super Bowl loser? It's
called the Super Bowl hangover. You're familiar with it, obviously,
forty nine Ers fans sure as hell are. Last few
times they went to the super Bowl the following year,
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it fell apart like a house of cards. Okay, four
of the last nine Super Bowl losers didn't even make
the playoffs the next year. I know it's a tiny
sample size. That being said, I will go back to
the other point I made. This team has had a
lot of playoff battles in January and February the last
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three years, ten playoff games that wear and tear adds
up on your body. I mean, Isaiah Pacheco started to
show the first cracks. He was hurt. Offense really sagged.
They went out and got who another oft injured running
back in Elijah Mitchell. Guys, go look at the Chief's
depth chart. It doesn't scare a soul. You cover up
Patrick Mahomes, right, you cover up the quarterback. And I'm
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just telling you, as I call it up here, none
of these guys are like, oh geez, how do hell
the hell do we game plan for Xavier Worthy? Uh
Rasi Rice? We assume her she Rice is gonna be back.
We don't know Hollywood Brown. Remember they got him last
year and it was like, Hollywood Brown, Oh what a
value you get there is? He could be awesome as
the number three. Come on, Hollywood, what the hell did
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he do last year? Sky Moore? Guy can't catch a cold.
Kelsey's getting old. I'm just saying there is a lot
of weakness on this Chiefs team. McDuffie their great slot corner.
They moved him outside last year. Not as great not
as great, struggled, went out and got Christian Fulton, who
just can't stay healthy at all. So you can move
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McDuffie back to slot. Like they're tinkering around the edges.
It's difficult. It's tough to stay on top forever. I
must stand by it. It's not happening for the Chiefs
this year.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I can see Alex smirking, see a couple other people
in the studio. You're like, oh, dear Jmack, what are
we doing? Alex, listen, go go big or go home.
You got me bold, You're bold. You got the teal No,
not Teal trickoise turqoise.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
But Jim Mac, when you're talking about the Super Bowl hangover,
I think that applies to every other team except the Chiefs,
who have won three Super Bowls since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So that's not I don't think that.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Plays has the same effect on a team that is
like a dynasty and they just laid an egg in
the Super Bowl last year, like they are still Patrick
Mahomes and Andy Reid and Travis Kelcafe's healthy Chiefs and
they've always just been. As long as those three are
locked in, they'll figure out the rest. Obviously, their defense
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was also top notch as well. Not No one showed
up in the Super Bowl. But I'm not gonna base
their whole next season on that one super Bowl no
of course performance, It's still Patrick Mahon.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
The Chiefs one score games, no way, offensive line is
a train wreck. I just I'm not buying them. Like
nothing lasts forever in this league. You know that, Alex.
The Patriots, they couldn't keep it together two decades. It
was so tough every single year to make the playoffs.
They have Brady at Belichick. There's just not a lot
they can do around the margins.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
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Speaker 3 (30:44):
Jovonne Boja from the Athletic Lakers Reporter, Sorry to Butcher,
the name Buddy, great to see. Yes, this guy, he's
phenomenal covering the Lakers, and obviously it's a great time
to be a Lakers fan. They're gonna lock in on
the three seed, right, all they need is one win
in the final.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
I think they should lock it in tonight.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And what do you feel confident about this team heading
into the postseason, only twenty seven games for Luca in
a Lakers jersey, I do.
Speaker 13 (31:08):
I think they're the second best team in the West
right now. The only team I would consider taking over
them would be Oklahoma City, just due to the dominant
season that they've had, them having home court in that matchup.
The Lakers have struggled at times on the road, but
right now you look at what they've done post Luca,
the offense is finally coming together. It was really the
defense carrying them in those early few weeks. I think
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they look really good. I mean they were up by
one against Okay. See in the second matchup right before
Luca egregiously got tossed in a tech that was you were.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
In the arena few I was there.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, okay, so you know that meat ball stands up.
He's yelling at Luca, but the ref was right in
the line.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
It was like wrong place, wrong time for Luca.
Speaker 13 (31:49):
Of just he looked back at the fan and the
ref was like running right by the fan at that time.
So I think that the ref thought he was talking
to him, but he had also picked up a tech earlier.
Not a great arguing on Jared Vanderbilt's behalf. So I mean,
I don't think it's he's the easiest player to refle with.
Let's say, right, but you gotta at that point, I
think just say like my bad and rescind it. But
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you know they did rescind it. After that, they did
rescind it. But in the moment, all the players immediately
reacted like, no, he was talking to the fan. He
was talking to the fan because he's had a back
and forth with that fan going.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
Back to the last postseason when he torched the MAVs.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, yeah, it was awesome, or when he was with
the MAVs torching. Ok see, all right, let me turn
back the clock a little bit. So February you get
word that the trade has happened a D for Luca.
I mean, just your initial were you like laying in
bed going to say, like, what was going down when
you heard it and talk to me about that.
Speaker 13 (32:41):
I was at Madison Square Garden, so because that was
a late game, because it was it was an eight
thirty PM Eastern time game, so that we cleared the
locker room a little after like eleven. And it was
all the Lakers' best wins of the season. They won
in New York without Anthony Davis. That was one of
their first big wins with this centerless group that they've
been going with. So Max Christy, who ended up getting traded,
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had a really good game that there was the viral
clip of like, as he's talking to us, they take
down his name plate, and it was completely coincidental of
the timing, but it was kind of indicative of.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
What was about to happen.
Speaker 13 (33:15):
But Lebron remember he almost had I think forty of
that game, and they looked really good. It was like
one of their best wins of the season. And then
less than an hour after we cleared the locker room,
the trade happens. And there was only four of us
in the Nick's press room at that time, and someone
just yelled out the Lakers just got Luca, and none
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of us believed it, and so we immediately started like
texting people and no one's believing it. And then all
of a sudden, Shams puts out his follow up of
this is real, and then we all started like scrambling
and it's just a mad dash and we're going around
the arena calling people, texting people, and Nixed security is like, no,
you can't go here, you can't go there, So.
Speaker 8 (33:55):
It was it was a while.
Speaker 13 (33:56):
Now I stayed up at that point it dropped like
twelve fifteen am Eastern time. I was up till seven
writing than I did my podcast went live, So it
was it was a crazy night.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
So a lot of people think Lebron was involved in this,
but I don't know. Everything I've heard is he was
not involved at all. I don't even think he got
a heads up. What do you know about that?
Speaker 13 (34:15):
I don't think he was involved. I know there's been
a lot of speculation that I do think the circle
was a little bit bigger than what has been indicated,
but not by like much like I think the respective
front office is new to some extent, right because that
there's been some reporting now coming out that there was
some pushback with Nico inside the Mavericks were not like
I think it wasn't literally just like Rob Plink and
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Nico Harrison and in the two owners. I think it
was a little bit of a larger circle than that,
but but more so within the respective front offices. But
outside of that, I like Luca clearly didn't know, right
because you've seen the reactions and the way that the
tribute hit him. There's no way that like that guy
did not know he was getting traded. He was about
to buy a fifteen million dollars house in Dallas that
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he was considering his forever house, so like he thought
he was getting the super Max this summer, buying that house,
and like was going to be a Maverick for life.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
So you know, I don't think Lebronk do.
Speaker 10 (35:11):
Though.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
We'll get to the Dallas aspect of it. But I'm curious,
what is it like to cover Luka Doncics be in
the locker room with him. He's good in interviews, you know,
the English is fine, but I know he's combative on
the court and gets like you know, with the refs
other players. But what's it like covering him on a
daily basis.
Speaker 13 (35:27):
I would call him stoic and jovial, like a mix
of that. So it depends on if it's a win
or a loss. But he's completely you know, off the court,
he's much more introverted and quiet and he'll crack some
jokes every now and then, but like the fiery, expressive
personality that you see on the court, that's not how
he is off of it. And he kind of talks
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about that duality of like flipping that switch, being a
killer on the floor and then off the floor.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
He's much more laid back.
Speaker 13 (35:54):
But we'll say, but he's been fun cover And he
did say a few weeks ago that he's like, I
like short answers, so he tried he's efficient with his
answers to us.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
He tries to keep it like one to three sentences.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
I appreciate that. So let me ask. It's weird we've
talked you for five minutes and we barely mentioned Lebron James,
who I think is the greatest player in NBA history
pres and that kind of says where we are. But
what have you seen a different Lebron since the trade?
Because it you know, if that last game against Dallas
is any indication they're going to ride Luca early was
a doseph Reeves and then Lebron's your closer, because that
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seemed to be the case against Golden State about eight
days ago when they lost the game.
Speaker 13 (36:31):
Yeah, I think Luca and Lebron compliment each other well,
because you see with Luca, he gets off to these
really big first quarters, first halfs and if you actually
break it down by points per quarter. He's at like
thirty forty percent more points in the first quarter compared
to each other quarter, so he's at about like ten points.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
A game in the first quarter.
Speaker 13 (36:48):
So he's often setting the tone early and then he
likes to have defenses overreact and just kind of freak
out to that. Then you start seeing the doubles, the blitzes,
and then he picks you apart with his pass. Lebron's
the opposite. Lebron likes to pick his spots early and
then when everyone's tired, he goes to that extra year
in the fourth quarter. And then you saw it in
the Dallas game. He had thirteen points in that fourth
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quarter and really sealed it. As Dallas they made a
little run there to regain the lead, then Lebron took
over and the Lakers on that one. So I think
that that kind of combination of Luca's hitting you early
and then Lebron comes in for the haymaker late and look,
Luca's capable. I mean, he's one of the most clutch
players in the league. He's capable of taking and making
big shots. But like, I think that that's kind of
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been the way they've been going about it.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, we could roll back the Rudy Gobert tape. Yes, hi,
Oh that was epic. I was actually at a Laker
I think that was at a Lakers game when that happened,
or maybe I was, Oh no, it was a Sparks game.
It was. I was at like a Sparks Caitlin Clark
game when I went down saw that on. Let me
ask quickly about Austin Reeves and how he fits in here.
I've been pushing him on Coward for a while. Coward
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has been like a little overrated. Then I came on
here and said, I think Austin Reeves is at least
as as or better than Mark Price, who may have
been before your time in Cleveland a little bit. And
all these people are like, no, no, no, Mark Price,
come on, he was an all star. Austin Reis is
underrated and he's on an amazing contract. What's it like
him fitting in with these two icons.
Speaker 13 (38:12):
It's been incredible because on paper you thought that Austin
would have to take a bit of a step back.
Because since the D'angela Russell trade, he's really amped up
his usage, his efficiency, his production. And at first few
games that there were some growing pains there where he
had a lot of turnovers, he struggled against some more
athletic backcourts. But from that point on, of like early January,
he's been playing at an all star level and really
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looking at the last fifteen he's twenty five to five
and five with like efficient shooting. So it's been interesting
to see, like with Luca coming, things have actually increased
for Austin in terms of his role in his usage,
his field goal attempts and all that. So I think
it's actually been Lebron who's taken a little bit more
of a step back and been playing a little bit
more off the ball. Austin and Lebron have a really
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good two man games, so he comes up and screens
for Austin, and I think they're stillkind of working that.
Speaker 8 (39:00):
Out with Lebron and Luca.
Speaker 13 (39:02):
But Austin's been been great and he's making thirteen million
dollars a year, so that's one of the best contracts.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
He seems super happy to be here, like you never
see him frowning or anything. Let me ask. I made
a case earlier this week that the Lakers have like
a bit of a They appear to be villains, right,
Lebron's a flopper, Luca argues and yells at refs, and
then there's just a Laker narrative who we hate the
Lakers and they get gifted Luka Doncic and it feels
like going to the playoffs, we know he's got beef
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with Dylan Brooks, Desmond Vane, Draymond Greed. Every team has
had like their moments.
Speaker 8 (39:33):
With these beef with everybody.
Speaker 13 (39:34):
Do you think they are kind of the villains of
the league, you could say that. I mean, I think
the Celtics are up there too, you know. I think
that there's just some natural also because of how many
Laker fans that they're just are everywhere, like that, the
Celtics naturally become the villains. But also they're the defending champs,
so I think that that plays a part. But yeah,
I mean I think so, like Luca has beef with everybody,
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and the Lakers by nature have now inherited with everybody.
Speaker 8 (40:00):
So and I thought it was funny with the tribute video.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
But when we asked him after the game, what was
your favorite moment from the tribute video, he said the
Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
Yeah, yeah, and that was like, you guy's diabolical.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
He really, he's a killer. I mean, I love him.
I guess my question is Lakers heading into this weekend
needing to wins or one win to lot one win. Yeah,
it looks like they'll play the Warriors or Clippers.
Speaker 13 (40:24):
So I did a quick calculation and I think it's
going to be most likely the Warriors or the Timberwolves, depending.
Speaker 8 (40:30):
On what happens with now.
Speaker 13 (40:32):
That's if everything goes chocked, because right now some of
these teams are resting guys.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I just saw that.
Speaker 13 (40:36):
Yeah, So looking at it tonight, every game is easy
for the teams and the playoff mix, except for Denver
and Memphis. Play in Denver, second out of a back
to back from Memphis, they just lost last night to Minnesota. Theoretically,
Denver should win that game.
Speaker 8 (40:50):
They're fighting.
Speaker 13 (40:51):
If if Denver wins out, they're going to be the
four seed and kind of salvage what's been a pretty
rough season for them.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
But looking at it, I think it's gonna come down to.
Speaker 13 (41:00):
Clippers versus Warriors, and if the Clippers won that game,
Lakers will play the Timberwolves. If the Warriors won that game,
the Lakers will play the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Huh, who scares you more? Well, that's tough for me
to ask you. But who do you think is a
tougher matchup for the Lakers, Warriors or Timberwolves Warriors.
Speaker 8 (41:18):
I think that the Warriors are.
Speaker 13 (41:19):
I mean, we just saw them and beat the Lakers,
so there are some recency bias there with that.
Speaker 8 (41:22):
But I just think they're switching scheme.
Speaker 13 (41:24):
The Lakers offense has gummed up at times against switching schemes.
I think Draymond at the five is a look where
they've really picked on big men lately.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
I think one of the most encouraging things for the
Lakers is they've gone up.
Speaker 13 (41:35):
Against Memphis and Houston and OKC and now just Dallas,
some of the biggest teams in the West, and they've
been able to play their double big lineups off the
floor because Luca and Austin and Lebron can go mismatch hunting.
You can't do that as much against Golden State because
it's not a mismatch against Draymond Green. So I think
them with their motion offense as well, that can give
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the Lakers some problems. They like to play fast, they
get out and transition the constant moving and cutting.
Speaker 8 (42:01):
I think between those two, Golden State's the tougher one.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Now, Minnesota did take down Denver last year. Anthony Edwards
was amazing. They did have towns, but I think he
got benched in there. Minnesota seems limited offensively, but defensively
they got they could throw McDaniels right and go beart
protecting the room. That could be a problem for the Lakers.
Speaker 8 (42:18):
Well, Luca versus Gobert, we've seen that movie before. He
wants that. But I'm with you.
Speaker 13 (42:23):
I think on paper, Minnesota has all of the traits
of a team that you think would give the Lakers problems.
They got the size, they got perimeter defense, and they
got the apex superstar in Anthony Edwards, who we've seen
can rise to the moment. However, to your point, I
think you can double and blitz and really force the
ball out of Ant's hands and then it's like Julius Randall,
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Nazrid Jaden McDaniels like I like those guys to an
extend as the number two option in a playoff series
against the Lakers. I think the Lakers would have three
of the four best players on the court in that series.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Yeah, I had a hot take against the Thunder. I
think the Lakers have three of the four best players.
I'm sorry, I go off.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
To can make that case over J Dubb. You can
make that.
Speaker 13 (43:02):
I mean I would probably go J Dub, But but
if Austin out played him, wouldn't be like shocked by
you think.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
The Lakers are worried about J Dubb heading into a playoffs.
Speaker 13 (43:10):
Se, No, they're not. They're not afraid of okay. See,
no one's to be completely no one. If you talk
to the NBA players, they're not afraid of okay.
Speaker 10 (43:18):
See.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah. What do you make of the whole free throw
merchant stuff. I'm sure you've heard it. I'm sure SGA
has heard it.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 13 (43:25):
That I think is a little bit overblown because even
that that, I thought he had a good first game
against the Lakers, like like they held him to a
relatively inefficient Knight for no free throws.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
But like, even within that.
Speaker 13 (43:36):
I thought he still got to his spots, uh and
was you know, pretty productive in that game. So I
think it's a little overblown. It is an element, but
I think Shane is really good obviously.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Top two.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Do you have an MVP vote I do, will you
give it to Share or Joker?
Speaker 8 (43:51):
It's going out in the wire For me, I am
leaning Joker.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
There we go.
Speaker 8 (43:55):
I don't think he's gonna win. I think she's gonna win.
Speaker 13 (43:57):
But I think it's we do this thing where like
it reminds me of Lebron in his prime, where he
would have the best numbers and his team would be
really good, and then we would talk ourselves into another
player where it's like Rose Jokich's numbers are the best
and his team is really good yea, and is it
as good as it was last season or maybe in
previous seasons? Though I also think you could look at
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like the bench and some of the roster decisions they made,
and clearly the coaching situation was not where it should
have been, at least based on the locker room reaction.
Speaker 8 (44:28):
So I just I don't want to overcomplicate it. Like
if you polled all.
Speaker 13 (44:32):
Thirty GMS, at least twenty seven would say Yokich is
the best player. Yeah, so it's like, and his numbers,
Shane's numbers are right there. I'm not like discounting his numbers,
but it's not a thirty point triple double yeah, like
sixty point triple double.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Oh sixty point yeah, yeah, but you.
Speaker 13 (44:48):
Had the thirty twenty twenty game as well, Like it's close.
I just I default to the guy who I think is.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
While we're on the Nuggets, anything on Michael Malone, I mean,
did that shock.
Speaker 8 (44:56):
You or the timing shocked me?
Speaker 13 (44:59):
Not like it had been the worst kept secret in
the NBA that Malone and Booth had some beef now
going for a couple of years, so that that didn't
shock me, but the timing of it to fire your
coach three games left in the regular season and your
GM you know.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
So, are they less dangerous or more dangerous now? Because
they're gonna be They're gonna look different they did the
other night playing starting picket Westbrook a few.
Speaker 8 (45:21):
A lot fewer minute.
Speaker 13 (45:21):
I mean, honestly, I think if you play Westbrook less,
they get a bit more dangerous. I think Jamal Murray's
the wild card there, but with his health and whether
he's going to be back for the first round series.
But depending on how things shake out, it's looking like
they can lock up the four seed. And if they
lock up the four seed, I would likely favor them
in Round one. Problem is than round two you get
okay see, Yeah, they didn't match up with as well
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last year. I think it's been a little bit of
a better match up this year. But I would favor
okay see all.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Right last one. So the whole Lakers thunder thing is
fascinating to me. I don't know if you how much
you look at the gambling ons. OKAC to win the
West is like minus one fifty, right, the Lakers are
like plus six hundred and disconnect to me is crazy. Yeah,
because the numbers regular season numbers. Okaysey's awesome, but the
eye test and knowing Luca and Lebron, I'm like, I
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like the Lakers in that series. I'm curious, would you
like down the stretch of games, we know the Lakers
are gonna have four awesome guys on the court, right,
and maybe the fifth is like whoever's hot, Gabe Vincent
one day, maybe Goodwin whatever. I don't know what OKC
does down the stretch. Who are their five core guys?
Because they can't play the two bigs against the Lakers.
Speaker 13 (46:27):
You're not going two bigs, You're probably going Shay Door,
jdubb Chet, and then that fifth guy might be a rotating,
But between is that enough shooting an Wallace or Isaiah Joe,
Aaron Wiggan, something like Kenrich Will like Caruso, you spent
on Smoke Russo could be could be the other guy.
I think there could be some spacing concerns a little bit.
But but you know, Cruso is one of the best
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perimeter guys.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Is good.
Speaker 13 (46:49):
I would assume it's probably Wallace, but but Wallace or Caruso, Yeah,
that's a good call. Yeah for the Lakers, Like I
think their closing lineup is going to be the FS Ruy, Lebron,
Austin and Luca. That lineup has been crushing it on
both sides, and I just I don't know how you
match up with it because the way they're able to
space you out and they can pick them pop with
(47:10):
Ruey or dfs have the other guy in the corner
and they could obviously run two or three man actions
with Luca, Lebron and Austin, it's.
Speaker 8 (47:16):
Like it's basically unguardable.
Speaker 13 (47:17):
And then defensively, those lineups have been really really and
you saw.
Speaker 8 (47:21):
It against Ad. They took AD out of that.
Speaker 13 (47:23):
Game totally at thirteen points. So they're doubling and swarming
and like, are they kind of built like the Celtics
a lot of length and wings A little bit, I
could see it. I mean, I think obviously Boston's got
like half of Team USA on their teams, so it's
a little different, but I think that's the team to me,
that like is the toughest matchup for the Lakers because
(47:44):
they can switch and they have so much premier athleticism,
length and defense that obviously, like you know, the the defending.
Speaker 8 (47:51):
Champs for a reason, but that'd be a fun finals.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Certainly, all right. Jovonn Booja amazing stuff covering the game tonight.
I guess the Lakers Rockets say hi Tom. He's nice guy,
walks around the concourse. I've seen him out there. Great stuff.
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