April 14, 2025 • 38 mins
Colin explains how the honeymoon with Jimmy Butler in Golden State is coming to an end, predicting the first round of the NBA playoffs, the ever changing landscape in college sports, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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to the Herd podcast. Rick Buker drops in today. Fox
(00:23):
Sports NBA analysts love having him in today because the
Warriors yesterday, the honeymoon with Jimmy Butler, it felt like
it hit a ceiling. We were talking about this about
if you look at the Dynasty, Steve Kurrs first Data
now boga Iguadala veteran players of work KD. They've just
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all kind of worked younger players Wiseman, Jordan Poole, Jonathan Kaminga.
I keep waiting and to just Steve Kerr yesterday and
the biggest game of the year is like, yeah, we're
not gonna play it.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Ye kind of told me that in the end.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
And I've compared it to Brady and the Patriots. They
did great getting players that were already in the league
that last seventy eight years with Tom and Belichick. They
couldn't draft to save their life because the system was
so sophisticated, was so set that for you to work
your way in the ecosystem. At twenty three, I look
at Kaminga not playing, and it's like a message going
forward that they're going to move him and this thing
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probably this year as a ceiling.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
The difficulty is that when you have the opportunity to
draft lottery type players like James Wiseman, like Kaminga, you're
getting players that have been stars and they have had
the ball in their hands, and then the ecosystem revolves
around them. If you're coming to the Warriors or you're
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coming to say any team with Lebron James, you're going
to be part of the ecosystem, but the ecosystem is
not built around you.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You're finding your place a.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Brandon Pajemski will work with the Warriors again playing time
where Jonathan Kaminga does not, because Pajemski, at one point in.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
College was not a star. He was a role player,
a guy.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So he understands what it takes to play that role
and how can I be effective?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
How can I still be a player that matters?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
But I'm playing off of Steph Curry, I'm playing off
of Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And so that's been the issue.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
That's why Kevon Looney got the minutes that normally maybe
Jonathan Kminga would get. Now, some of it was match
up too with the Clippers and the size, but the
other part was Steve.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And this is with coaches in general.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
If I know what I'm going to get from you,
specifically on this day, consistently, I'm going to play you
over the guy who might give me the electric performance,
but he also might not fit the bill. And this
is a game that, as we saw, went down to overtime,
down to a last possession, and actually in this case,
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it wasn't an ancillary player that.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Screwed it up. It was the star players.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I mean, the reason the Warriors lost that game is
because Steph Curry had eight turnovers and because Draymond Green
couldn't hit a layup at a crucial time. But generally,
what you're going to do is you're going to build
your team. You have your stars, and you need those
ancillary players, and veteran players generally know how to play
those roles and find their spot, and young players, particularly
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in Today's game are all about while they need the ball, well,
you're not going to get the ball when Steph Curry's
on the floor.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So Budenholzer got fired today, Malone got fired last week
for the Nuggets. I think Denver's in a fascinating place.
They have the world's best basketball player, then they have
three other good players making great money, not a lot
of draft capital, and I kind of feel like they're trapped.
And Yannis became more western eyes got more outspoken the
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longer he was in the league. But I think Jokic
life kind of hiding in the Rocky Mountain region. He
doesn't feel like a table pounder to me. I think
he likes scoring. He's got his money, he's got a ring,
he's got his legacy, and the minute the season's over,
he's back to Europe. So I kind of feel like,
and this happens more than it doesn't, that dynasties are infrequent.
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Winning one with leue Al Sinder, one with Yannis, one
with Jokic is much more common than winning several with Duncan,
And I feel like Denver is kind of trapped and
maybe they'll just become the Bucks with Yannis. One great team,
several very good teams with a transformative player, but this
is they're just kind of stuck.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
There's a lot of similarities between the two and in
that they won a championship and then they.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Paid their core players.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yes, but you win championships as much off of having
a great core but also having great complimentary players. And
Denver let Kntavius called will Pope go, They let Bruce
Brown go. They live on screen.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Go really valuable guys, and sometimes.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You get lucky and you can replace the as the
Warriors kind of did when they came back and won
the championship in.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Wiggins, Wiggins, Jordan Poole gave them something like they found
some young guys who could play well enough and fill
those roles. Well, the Bucks haven't been able to do
that in finding any young players.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
They're still searching.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
That's why you go trade for a Kyle Kuzma, and
the Denver Nuggets with Christian Brown and Peyton Watson just
haven't evolved. And then you had the whole Michael Malone
situation where everybody was flatlining as a result of the
toxicity around that franchise, and it was largely hidden by
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they still were winning enough, largely off of Nikola Jokic
being what he's been, but as soon as they started losing,
they went eight and eleven. It was like everybody's miserable.
Our GM and our head coach don't get along and
have created to this toxic situation before if we're going
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to have any chance of doing anything, like we still
believe our core and the West is wide open, like
we have a shot, Let's go ahead and rip the
bandaid off and see if it will change. Because David
Adaman is a completely different dynamic.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Everybody's going to take the Lakers over the Tea Wolves
and you have three play initiators and Luca Lebron and
Austin Buckets will it's easier to run that offense because
three guys can kind of take it over two or
generally always on the floor, sometimes three, whereas Julius Randall,
Rudy Gobert, the ball can get stuck in their offense
at times. I would take the Lakers to win it.
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What do you think the matchup looks like for the
t Wolves in Los Angeles?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
It's the thing that the Timberwolves have where I think
that they can make it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
A series, a competitive series.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Is that with Jane McDaniels and with Julius Randall and
with Naz Reed, they can match up with the Lakers
small ball lineup. That's where the Lakers are an X
factor because you have three playmakers in Lebron and Luca
and Austin. How do you defend them? Do you have
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quality defenders to put on each one of them? And
I believe that the Timberwolves Timberwolves do. The big question
is going to be to your point, offensively, can they
maintain a flow?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Can they keep you know?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Does does Aunt decide I'm going to try to take
over and.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Forces the issue. I don't think he's quite there yet, right.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Is Mike Conley still vital enough because he's sort of
their organized He's the guy who gets everybody involved.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
He gets the offense, he gets him into the offense.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Can can he still give you enough at this point?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
At this age?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
There's more? Quite When I look at this series, I
have more answers with the Lakers offensively, I have questions
and maybe one answer with a t Wolves offensively, oh.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
The one thing that Minnesota has though, is defensively they
can be really good. And the other part that kind
of raises the question is, you know, everybody looks at
the Lakers and goes, well, they're not the same team
they were six weeks ago. Like they're a different team.
So are the Minnesota Timberwolves. Like they went on a
I think fifteen to four run to put themselves in
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this position. They've been playing much much better. The whole
question is going to be for me really comes down
to the maturity of Anthony Edwards. Yeah, we saw how
Luca took him down last year. Will that happen again?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
The Knicks over the last three years have become a
very patient franchise. They were very impulsive for years with
James Dolan seeking stars and relevance. I do not feel
they are that franchise. I think they're patient the Villanova Corps,
but I do think they have hit. When you watch
them against Cleveland or Boston, it's very clear this won't
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be the answer. So you can be patient. At some point,
you got pay the bills.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Here.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
We all know they need another shot maker, not necessarily
a creator, a shot maker. Kd could be a fit.
What do the Knicks have to because my thing is
they'll win a playoff series. Do they have to win
a second for Tims to keep his job?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
They have to be competitive in the second round.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think everybody looks at.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Take Cleveland seven.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
He keeps the job.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah, I think, and the team doesn't completely break
down like it did against Indiana last year. But to
your point, you're right, I mean, this is their ceiling,
and part of it is whether it's creator or playmaker.
The problem is that you're asking Jalen Brunson to be both,
and at his size and physicality, it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Just doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
You're asking that he is a wonder and he's making
the most out of what he has.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And I love him as a player.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Great face of the franchise guy, yes, But is he
the best player on a championship caliber team. The answer
for me, for all that I love about him is no.
And so you either need a tremendous dynamic number two
or you need a playmaker who now allows Jalen to
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play more off the ball and be a scorer. But
asking him to do both on this team, a team
with a coach who is as least offensively creative yeah
as Tibbs is, is just a dynamic that's not going
to get you farther than the second round.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Ye I've made this argument Rick Buker for our radio
audience joining us is that generally we've never given the
Spurs dynasty the love we gave the Bulls, the Warriors
of the Lakers, because this is a league where aesthetics
matter what do you look like when you're winning, and
the Spurs have largely been pushed off to the side,
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as if we've forgotten well run organization. But we don't
talk about man who's maybe the best six man ever.
Duncan's one of the five ten great bigs ever. Tony
Parker was an MVP in Pops with a basketball genius
before a lot of people. I mean he was ahead
of the game. Sure, So I look at the Celtics
and I think similarly. Despite the big brand is Tatum's
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a little reluctant. He says he would love to be
the faith of the league. He's not a big personality.
He's more of a grinder. Jalen Brown to two. Their
strength is three point shooting, a young coach who's grown
up quick, unbelievable depth. But they've got a lot of
B plus and one A in Tatum and I don't
quite think we understand how good they are in that
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the way the league, the way the CBA works now,
it would be almost impossible to create a lineup like
this going forward. And they've kind of been grand You
can sam wrong on this, I probably am, but they're
kind of grandfathered in the way they you know, as
the league is currently constructed, they don't want.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You to be this deep.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
They don't want Derek White to be your fifth best player. No,
And I think we look at them and I look
at them and how dominant they can be on the road,
and I'm like, that's what the all time teams did,
went on the road and can win seven of eight
against playoff teams. I think Boston is really special. But
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esthetically they're much more even the old Celtic teams. Bird
was a fighter, Walton was crazy, Danny Age was rolling
on the floor. There was a lot of sex appeal
to it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Well, who is their most dynamic personality.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
They don't have one.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
It's probably Jalen Brown probably right, and he's but the
rest of them they're defined like Derek White's a good guy,
Jason Tatum's a nice guy.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Al Horford nice guy.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Through holiday but they're all sort of quiet and they
just go about their business.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And you know, Jalen is Jalen is.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
The loudest in terms of give me the ball and
get out of the way.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But he's also a great team player, and he.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Is and he's fully willing to take the toughest defensive assignment.
So yes, I think that they are a little underappreciated.
That's what it might take it in terms of what
they are. And they are extremely unique in that they've
got so many quality players that would be quality players
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on any team.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Derek White Holiday.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I mean, when you're Peyton Pritchard, they have seven guys.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Even a Horford sam Hauser gives you good minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
If I told you in a playoff game, Horford had
twenty two points and got hot from the corner, you'd
be like, yeah, I expect one of those.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I think there's so much deeper and so I mean,
basically they've had two basketball gurus, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens,
and basically they've built a similar roster. Can you shoot,
pass and handle the ball, go nine deepot ten deep on.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
That this is the one achilles heel to that which
is and We see it all the time, Like, what
makes them so difficult is everybody on the floor can
can score.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Everybody, everybody can shoot a three. Everybody right, I mean
everybody right.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
And then when they go to the bench, we bring
in more guys who can shoot threes.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
They are never without that the days that for whatever
reason they're not creating the open looks or they're not
taking quality threes. And now you get into a tight
game and you have to rely on Jason Tatum or
Jalen Brown going iso one on one.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
That's when they.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Struggle because those guys are good all around players. They're
not a Luka Doncic type. Give me the ball and
I'm going to get to a place that's just going
to contort the defense and so but and that's what
we love, right, We love it when we see Luca
getting to a place he's either scoring and it seems
like it's impossible to stop that guy, or he's thrown
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it behind the back pass to somebody for a wide
open three. You don't get that element with the Boston Celtics.
They have everything else, and what makes them, what makes
them great is what makes them a little vulnerable and
that they they they're an equal opportunity team, right, and
that makes them difficult to stop.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But in these type moments, they're vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
If you can make it a close game that change
and take away the three.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Now they're not quite as dynamic.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Rick Buker, good stuff, Fox NBA Analyst. Tomorrow, it's Warriors
and Memphis. We would take Golden State in that game experience.
It's almost an ideal matchup for them for a play
in game.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Is it not pretty close? Pretty close? I don't want
to think about the Bay A living in the Bay.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Area, what the Bay Area would be like if they
if they wind up stopped going out once again in
the play in Not a good thought.
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Speaker 4 (17:13):
No, no, No, the news.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Colin, I know you love this guy as a potential
sleeper in the draft. Kyle McCord, as I reported earlier
this morning, visiting the Steelers today and scheduled to meet
with the New York Giants tomorrow. Several teams I've spoken
with Colin say he's one of the more undervalued players
in the entire draft. I highlight his prototypical size, winning pedigree,
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capacity to read coverage, and just to give you an
idea of how prolific he was last year, not only
leading the country in passing first in every single major
statistical category in Syracuse history, which is significant because it
best on in the MCNAP.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So he's proven to you in big games at Ohio
State with the under pressure he can succeed. He then
goes to more of a basketball school where they have
good talent, not great talent, and blows away games and
wins ten games. So he's shown he can guide and
manage a hyper talented roster, pressurized environment. And then he's
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shown that he can carry a franchise to New Heights.
I think he's the sleeper in the draft. I again,
in a strong quarterback draft, maybe he's a third rounder.
To me, he's a top of the second round. If
I was a team like a Cleveland go get a
Travis Hunter. I think, I think, I think Kyle mccorden
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Shador Sanders, I think it's a coin flip. What I
don't get is the people that are taking Jackson Dart
over Kyle McCord. That I don't get. I get cam
Ward over him, I get. But I think this kid
has a chance to be the second best quarterback in
the draft.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Six three two twenty, can move really good.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
In the participatory thrower.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Yeah, and not only that, I mean, I just go
back to the winning. He's twelve and one in Ohio state,
he lose in Michigan, kind of becomes a scapegoat, wins
ten games of Syracuse. He's nine and four as a
starter in games in which his team was trailing, and
really he passed every test other than Michigan, which again
is probably not that fair that Michigan team won the
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national championship.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I'm in on him.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
I'm really in on him, and I think a lot
of teams are too. And I would argue that most
teams are probably higher on him than the public of
the draft.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's funny Buckeye fans are higher on Will Howard, who
I don't see as an NFL starting quarterback. I think
he's a backup because this kid left. You know, there's
the natural Oh we love the new guy. Kyle McCord
is a significantly more talented quarterback than Will Howard.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
Another quarterback, Jaden Daniels, took the league by storm this season.
RAMS coach Sean McVay commented on how impressed he was
by Daniels, saying that he loved his ability to be
quote totally immersed in the moment. That's one of the
things I loved about watching him. I don't see that changing.
He's going to be really scary for a long time.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Colin. I think there's a really important.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Point too to be made about Jaden Daniels, which is
to say he's never too high, he's never too low. Now,
that can go one of two ways. If you're not winning,
fans will say, well, why doesn't he show more emotion,
But when you are winning and you're that mature, it
makes perfect sense. And I go back to what Cliff
Kingsbury told me something he did before this season started.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
He went to his quarterback.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Jaden Daniels, and he said, what are the three, four
or five best plays and concepts that you ran at LSU.
Now show me that on the board, and we will
design the offense predicated on that foundation. And So if
you think about why that's a board not only to
build the camaraderie rapport, but for Jaden to have to
be able to fall back when maybe things aren't going
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so well.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Well and know.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
That at the very least he has a few plays
and concepts schemes that he's really comfortable with. He also has.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
The full trust of Dan Quinn, of Adam Peters.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
They are building that franchise on his shoulders that I
couldn't be more impressed.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, I mean, I think if you're in that division,
you have to now build. I mean, I think that's
why Dallas doesn't want to get rid of Micah is
because they have to have an elite pass rusher in
a division with Jayden Daniels. Yeah, and I can see
Dallas saying if it was a strong draft where we
could duplicate Micah for much less money. But I think
Dallas looks at it and thinks the only way to
beat Washington and Philly going forward is put pressure on
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those quarterbacks. So again, this draft is so weak by
draft standards, I think it makes it very difficult to
make moves for like teams like Dallas or maybe a
Pittsburg that would move off. Sure, an expensive player, but
there's nobody in this draft to replace them or necessarily
even close.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
So to you, is this a.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Three player drafts in terms of the top Hunter Carter
or just Hunter and Carter.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, I think there's one quarterback who will start and
help his team win games immediately, get Ward. That's cam Ward.
Then I think there's three or four really really unique talents.
Jen t Travis Hunter, Abdua Carter. I think Kelvin Banks,
the left tackle for Texas. You know he gets a
lot of crap, but I watched him in every big game.
He was good.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
You were telling me about him a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Will Johnson at Michigan I think's great. Mason Graham, who's
an interior lineman from Serve By, California who plays hard
every play, may not have the athletic ability as other
d linemen, but it's a running back, defensive tackle draft so.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
And Titans and tight end Taylor Warren out of Penn State.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
I mean that he has a legit chance to go
top ten, top fifteen.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
That's actually the guy I want to see a lot
of these teams take just because I think he's that special.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
But he's a tight end.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
So the Thunder finish out in impressive sixty eight win
regular season with the largest point differential in NBA history
twelve point nine points per game. Margin broke the previous record,
which had been in place Colin for over five decades.
The Thunder one the West in a landslide with the
sixteen game gap between OKC and Houston. The last five
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teams to have the best point differential per game all
won that season's NBA title. That includes Kareem's nineteen seventy
one Bucks, MJ's ninety six Bowls, and obviously the twenty
seventeen Warriors.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, I mean I think deep these teams that don't
have a title yet, that want home court advantage and
are young. So for Oklahoma City, I think home court
advantage is a big deal. My only question with them
is can they go to LA and win a big
road game? Can they go You know, if they get
into a situation with some of these teams in the
West that are dangerous, could be a Golden State, it
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could be a Clippers. So I think young teams that
don't have a title and have a lot of depth,
they want that record, They want that number one seed.
They want to play at home and have that last
game in any series, so I listen, they're not going
to get bounced. My only question for them is when
they get to the Western Conference Finals. The more I
think about it, the more I like Lakers.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Okay, see, yeah, I think the Lakers man with Luca
and Lebron, Like, why are they're like minus one forty
to win that first round series?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
That feels so light to me? Oka see sixty nine?
How many wins? Sixty eight? Why aren't we talking about
the thunder? Is it just because they haven't done it?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You know? I think it's a I we don't talk
a lot about the regular season NBA. I mean, I
just don't think. I think there's three teams that feel
different Celtics, Calves, ok see. But the Lakers, because they
have three playmakers, are probably one of the harder teams
to defend.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Yeah, I'll tell you really quickly. I was at Calves
Nicks the other night. Nick blew a twenty four point
halftime lead. Now, Donovan Mitchell didn't play, but Karl Anthony
Towns didn't play. The reason I want to bring this
up there is such a great vibe on that Calves team.
They have incredible and it feels to me a little
bit like there are a college atmosphere, like these guys really.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Are rooting for one another.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
And I know it's it sounds cheesy, but in the
NBA playoffs, when you are that connected and you have
the talent that they have, Garland Mitchell fantastic, the two
centers Allen and and obviously Mobile, Cleveland's the team in.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
The easter Well.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I mean, if you look at for instance, Denver's an
older team, Golden State's an older team.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Lakers are hit or miss Lakers.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Lakers are an older team. Cleveland feels like they're one
year ahead of OKAC. Like we've watched this Cleveland thing
bill for about four Like last year we thought was
the year. The NBA is a baby steps lead. So
the idea that Oklahoma City is gonna have this year
and then win the championship, I think Oklahoma City is
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the Cavs last year where they're gonna win a series.
They're they're a very good basketball team, but in the
end their fans will be left disappointed.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
Detroit's another year behind them, and I would say that
Cleveland this year feels to me a lot like Denver
did when they won it.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
When it just feels like this might be time.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Ye Jordan with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the Herd Line news. Well, Frank
Wright years ago was part of a group in Carolina
that took Bryce Young, who really emerged last year as
a number one quarterback. He's now the coach at Stanford.
He is next joining us live in LA. It's the
Herd and Jim Ersay are interesting owners. They've got strong opinions,
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can be a bit temperamental. And Frank Reich has found
himself now at the College at Stanford with Andrew Luck
and it's a whole different world. So I would have
said ten years ago, Frank, stay out of college, go
coach in the NFL. But now with the portal, you
are going to recruit a lot of kids that already
have experience. They're not sixteen, they're twenty one or twenty two.
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I mean, just take me through how you viewed college
six years ago and how you view it today, and
how that's changed because of the portal of me and
I am.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
It feels to me like Colin like it's going to
the more of an NFL model so.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Structured that way, you know.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
Even here with Andrew being Andrew Luckbying named gm uh.
You know, my situation is unique because it's an interim
deal that both he and I agree were best.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
You know, at this time of year. It was good
for me personally.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
So you know, my focus is to come in here
and develop the talent that is here since I won't
be here long term, you know, and I'm excited to
do that. Like even in just two weeks here of springball,
I can feel the progress that we've made. I can
feel the energy and excitement around what we're doing, you know,
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bringing some things that some of the experience that I've
had in the professional level, some of the concepts, some
of the thoughts philosophy that can go up and helped
and helped his team.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
So I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know, Frank, it's interesting you've had that. Philip Rivers,
Andrew Locke, Carson Wentz, Bryce Young is there as we
talk about, you know, cam Ward and Schneer Sanders. The
kid I like is Kyle McCord at Syracuse. So I
think it's a really underrated player, really anticipatory thrower. I
like him Ohio State Syracuse. I think he's going to
be a little bit of a sleeper. Is there something
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because Bryce Young really emerged last year his first year,
it was a lot. This game is fast, it's it's
it's it's just a different world. What is the one
thing that attracted you about Bryce Young or a Carson Wentz,
the one thing you would tell a college quarterback, Okay,
you're going to pros. This is where it's going to
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be really different. What is that thing?
Speaker 8 (28:50):
I think it starts with mental toughness, you know, a
resiliency too, and a mindset that you're always going to
get better. You know, I always define toughness as a
relentless pursuit to get better every day, an obsession to finish.
And so when I'm looking for quarterbacks or what I
would tell a quarterback, that's the number one factor, you know,
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was quarter Peyton Manning's quarterback coach mentally as tough as
they come, you know, Andrew Luck, Bryce Young, Carson, you
know all those guys. That's a trait that they have
because you're gonna take there's gonna be bumps and bruises
along the road. You have to find ways to keep
getting better. You have to find ways to keep leaving
in yourself and in the team and where you're going,
and and then if you have the juice, you're going
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to win and you're going to be successful.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You know, Frank, I've said this. I think coaching in
the NBA or the NFL's gotten harder. It used to
be that an owner had, let's say a six hundred
million dollar net worth, and he would give you an
extra year. Well, they're all billionaires, okay, so forty million
dollars to run a coach out of the room is
a rounding air. And I do do you feel like
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Bill Belichick had voiced this? Ownership now is richer, They're
more impulsive, they're less patient. The media is more relentless.
They're social media, the owners on that watching what people
are saying. Is it possible in here your golden years
of coaching that college. Actually it's easier to deal with
an athletic director than a billionaire. That this may be
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what we see some NFL coaches transitioning to.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
Yeah, that's an interesting thought. It's an interesting thought. I
just think it comes down to, you know, personal preference.
For me, you know, in my years coaching in the NFL,
I think the appeal was, you know, you're at the
you're playing with the best, you're coaching the best of
the best, and it's all football twenty four to seven.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
What makes this position so appealing to me? To come
in here at.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
This stage at sixty three, at the end of thirty
plus years playing and coaching. You know, I'm looking at
this as an opportunity to impact the student athlete, you know,
coach football and give them all the experience and the
stuff from the NFL, but also impact, you know, people
on a personal level, bring a team together. So I
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think you can make a case either way. For me
at this stage in my life, this is exactly what
I'm looking for.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So you coached Andrew Luck back with the Colts. How
many practices did it take with Andrew Luck to realize, Wow,
this guy's smart, this guy's really good. Like is it instant?
I mean like they talk about the great players, the
Kobe Bryants, where you watch it, where you watch him
work out and you're like, yeah, that doesn't look like
anybody else. Could you tell instantly with Andrew Luck what
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you could give him, what he could retain? Did you
know instantly this is different?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yes, in every way?
Speaker 8 (31:53):
You know, mentally, his approach to the game, how the
questions he asked, what the comments he would make watching
the tape. The strange things was Kindlin that physically, you know,
obviously from watching him in his earlier years before I
got there, I knew he was physically dominant at the position,
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but he was coming off his shoulder injury. So that
year in twenty eighteen, and we had a pretty stinking
good team. At the end of the year, no one
wanted to play us, And we're two weeks before our
Week one starter, our Week one game, and I still
have yet to see him throw a ball over forty
yards because of the injury that he was coming off of,
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and he was on a pitch count. And it was
a really strange year. And then we of course started
one in five and then won nine of ten, and
he was the hottest thing there was, and you could
just but you could see his leadership even in the
one in five start, as he physically was kind of
gaining his confidence back in his shoulder and his throwing.
But now it was just it felt different right from
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the start with him.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
As a young player at Tennessee, really talented kid Nico Iamaliava,
and I like him a lot. He moves, he's mobile,
he's got an arm. He's just young. He's raw. He
can be hitting mess not quite there yet, but most,
you know, young quarterbacks aren't. And so it's pretty funny.
So everybody's crushing the kid.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Oh his dad.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
But I could see the kids saying time out. Our
football program makes one hundred and forty nine million, coach
makes twelve. Duke just gave a guy from two lane
four million. I'm making two. I let us to the playoff.
Maybe have a have a problem with the NC double A.
I'm getting mine. I mean, it's funny everybody's crushing the kid,
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but I kind of get it. What do you make
of that situation?
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Yeah, I haven't really followed it very much, you know.
I mean, it's right now in the trends, you remember.
I mean this last season, I was I was retired, right,
and I was good being retired and hadn't been found
hadn't been found that the college game that much. But
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this just presented such a unique scenario to me before
I kind of completely shut it down. It was like
I told my wife, I said, I would only get
back in this for you know, a really unique and
special situation.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
So that's why I'm here.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
So the situation you're talking about, I'm not familiar with
all the dynamics of it, to be quite honest with you.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Colin, would you the NIL and transfer portal? Will it
benefit Stanford which is an academic power or is it more?
Is that something moral Ohio State's going to go after
or do you kind of know? Listen, this is what
we are, this is what we want. How does Stanford
approach that is an academic power?
Speaker 8 (34:48):
I think it does come. You know, it's I've heard
you say, you know, I mean one of the things
that I've heard you say over the years. And I
don't get a chance to watch that much, but obviously
I have watched and listened to you over the years,
and you always say and I always strongly agree, and
like when you say this about good teams have an identity,
they know who they are, yes, And you always say that,
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and that's what this place has. This place has an identity.
And it not only has an identity as an academic institution,
but it also has an identity as.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
A football program.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
You know, we're going to run the football uh, you know,
we're gonna have good old line play.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Our tight end room is going to be strong.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
There's you know, they're going to be used in a
powerful way to create extra gaps, create this power run
game and then to be able to throw play action
off of this run game and uh and play good, smart,
tough football. And so that's what the idea, you know,
with Andrew kind of at the Helm and him really
leading that identity when it was in its heyday here
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at Stanford, that's that's the identity that he's going to
lead this, uh, this university back to as a football program.
And so and I understand what he's looking for. I
understand that vision. And so that's that's what we're recruiting towards.
That's what you will use the NIL that's what we'll
use the portal for. That's what we'll scheme for. We'll
stick to that identity, and that's what we're going to
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make our money.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Finally, you know, you coach at one of the only
places in the country where half the time your players
are as smarter or smarter than the coach. Are you
okay with that?
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I am okay with that.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
You know, Over the years, I've I've learned a lot
of football and a lot of life from a lot
of good players.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
So yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm here.
Speaker 8 (36:35):
You know, even though these they're they're much younger, but
it is a unique it is a unique atmosphere and
for the players, well, I can tell that already. I
can just feel the energy being here for two weeks,
and you're looking forward to getting to know everyone you
know right on the deeper level over the.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Next football season.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Frank, love to have you on again. Good luck to
you and Stanford and Andrew Luck one of my all
time favorite quarterbacks. Andrew Luck is retirement heartbreaking probably for
him and many others in Indianapolis, and me certainly is
a fan, great senior coach. Okay, thanks Colin, you bet yeh.
Stanford's in a totally different model. I always feel it's
got kind of a Notre Dame fieldhe there's a way
to win it Notre Dame in Stanford. You don't want
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to get into track meets O line tight end quarterback coaching.
If you go look at the Jim Harbaugh or Marcus
Freeman teams at Notre Dame, that's the way to build them.
You could have good backs you could have, but it's
a physical presence. It is a lean into physicality and
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that's what you can do at Notre Dame in Stanford.
And that's what Andrew Lux teams were. I mean, they
were tough and physical teams. That's what Notre Dame was
this year as well. So good stuff. Albert Breerrick Buker,
Frank Wright, Colin right, Colin wrong. Jordan Schultz is in
this week for Jason McIntyre. I don't know where Jason goes.
Somewhere with a beach. I can take the cold.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
It's funny, Jason. I know is somewhere warm. I discovered
over the course of my brief, brief respite, my brief
vacation after about four days staring at water on the beach.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
That's about it for me. A couple of books, good
couple of books. Yeah, and then I'm ready to go
back to work. You know, I had more fun this weekend.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
You wanted to watch baseball too?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Saturday I wanted to Saturday and Sunday I had more
fun watching the Masters every shot. I mean, yesterday was
one of my favorite TV days since Tiger Woods Prime.
Wow four and a half five hours of great golf,
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(00:23):
Sports NBA analysts love having him in today because the
Warriors yesterday, the honeymoon with Jimmy Butler, it felt like
it hit a ceiling. We were talking about this about
if you look at the Dynasty, Steve Kurrs first Data
now boga Iguadala veteran players of work KD. They've just
(00:45):
all kind of worked younger players Wiseman, Jordan Poole, Jonathan Kaminga.
I keep waiting and to just Steve Kerr yesterday and
the biggest game of the year is like, yeah, we're
not gonna play it.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Ye kind of told me that in the end.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
And I've compared it to Brady and the Patriots. They
did great getting players that were already in the league
that last seventy eight years with Tom and Belichick. They
couldn't draft to save their life because the system was
so sophisticated, was so set that for you to work
your way in the ecosystem. At twenty three, I look
at Kaminga not playing, and it's like a message going
forward that they're going to move him and this thing
(01:25):
probably this year as a ceiling.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
The difficulty is that when you have the opportunity to
draft lottery type players like James Wiseman, like Kaminga, you're
getting players that have been stars and they have had
the ball in their hands, and then the ecosystem revolves
around them. If you're coming to the Warriors or you're
(01:49):
coming to say any team with Lebron James, you're going
to be part of the ecosystem, but the ecosystem is
not built around you.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You're finding your place a.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Brandon Pajemski will work with the Warriors again playing time
where Jonathan Kaminga does not, because Pajemski, at one point in.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
College was not a star. He was a role player,
a guy.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So he understands what it takes to play that role
and how can I be effective?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
How can I still be a player that matters?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
But I'm playing off of Steph Curry, I'm playing off
of Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And so that's been the issue.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
That's why Kevon Looney got the minutes that normally maybe
Jonathan Kminga would get. Now, some of it was match
up too with the Clippers and the size, but the
other part was Steve.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And this is with coaches in general.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
If I know what I'm going to get from you,
specifically on this day, consistently, I'm going to play you
over the guy who might give me the electric performance,
but he also might not fit the bill. And this
is a game that, as we saw, went down to overtime,
down to a last possession, and actually in this case,
(03:05):
it wasn't an ancillary player that.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Screwed it up. It was the star players.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I mean, the reason the Warriors lost that game is
because Steph Curry had eight turnovers and because Draymond Green
couldn't hit a layup at a crucial time. But generally,
what you're going to do is you're going to build
your team. You have your stars, and you need those
ancillary players, and veteran players generally know how to play
those roles and find their spot, and young players, particularly
(03:30):
in Today's game are all about while they need the ball, well,
you're not going to get the ball when Steph Curry's
on the floor.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So Budenholzer got fired today, Malone got fired last week
for the Nuggets. I think Denver's in a fascinating place.
They have the world's best basketball player, then they have
three other good players making great money, not a lot
of draft capital, and I kind of feel like they're trapped.
And Yannis became more western eyes got more outspoken the
(03:57):
longer he was in the league. But I think Jokic
life kind of hiding in the Rocky Mountain region. He
doesn't feel like a table pounder to me. I think
he likes scoring. He's got his money, he's got a ring,
he's got his legacy, and the minute the season's over,
he's back to Europe. So I kind of feel like,
and this happens more than it doesn't, that dynasties are infrequent.
(04:17):
Winning one with leue Al Sinder, one with Yannis, one
with Jokic is much more common than winning several with Duncan,
And I feel like Denver is kind of trapped and
maybe they'll just become the Bucks with Yannis. One great team,
several very good teams with a transformative player, but this
is they're just kind of stuck.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
There's a lot of similarities between the two and in
that they won a championship and then they.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Paid their core players.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yes, but you win championships as much off of having
a great core but also having great complimentary players. And
Denver let Kntavius called will Pope go, They let Bruce
Brown go. They live on screen.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Go really valuable guys, and sometimes.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You get lucky and you can replace the as the
Warriors kind of did when they came back and won
the championship in.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Wiggins, Wiggins, Jordan Poole gave them something like they found
some young guys who could play well enough and fill
those roles. Well, the Bucks haven't been able to do
that in finding any young players.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
They're still searching.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
That's why you go trade for a Kyle Kuzma, and
the Denver Nuggets with Christian Brown and Peyton Watson just
haven't evolved. And then you had the whole Michael Malone
situation where everybody was flatlining as a result of the
toxicity around that franchise, and it was largely hidden by
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they still were winning enough, largely off of Nikola Jokic
being what he's been, but as soon as they started losing,
they went eight and eleven. It was like everybody's miserable.
Our GM and our head coach don't get along and
have created to this toxic situation before if we're going
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to have any chance of doing anything, like we still
believe our core and the West is wide open, like
we have a shot, Let's go ahead and rip the
bandaid off and see if it will change. Because David
Adaman is a completely different dynamic.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Everybody's going to take the Lakers over the Tea Wolves
and you have three play initiators and Luca Lebron and
Austin Buckets will it's easier to run that offense because
three guys can kind of take it over two or
generally always on the floor, sometimes three, whereas Julius Randall,
Rudy Gobert, the ball can get stuck in their offense
at times. I would take the Lakers to win it.
(06:38):
What do you think the matchup looks like for the
t Wolves in Los Angeles?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
It's the thing that the Timberwolves have where I think
that they can make it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
A series, a competitive series.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Is that with Jane McDaniels and with Julius Randall and
with Naz Reed, they can match up with the Lakers
small ball lineup. That's where the Lakers are an X
factor because you have three playmakers in Lebron and Luca
and Austin. How do you defend them? Do you have
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quality defenders to put on each one of them? And
I believe that the Timberwolves Timberwolves do. The big question
is going to be to your point, offensively, can they
maintain a flow?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Can they keep you know?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Does does Aunt decide I'm going to try to take
over and.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Forces the issue. I don't think he's quite there yet, right.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Is Mike Conley still vital enough because he's sort of
their organized He's the guy who gets everybody involved.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
He gets the offense, he gets him into the offense.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Can can he still give you enough at this point?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
At this age?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
There's more? Quite When I look at this series, I
have more answers with the Lakers offensively, I have questions
and maybe one answer with a t Wolves offensively, oh.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
The one thing that Minnesota has though, is defensively they
can be really good. And the other part that kind
of raises the question is, you know, everybody looks at
the Lakers and goes, well, they're not the same team
they were six weeks ago. Like they're a different team.
So are the Minnesota Timberwolves. Like they went on a
I think fifteen to four run to put themselves in
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this position. They've been playing much much better. The whole
question is going to be for me really comes down
to the maturity of Anthony Edwards. Yeah, we saw how
Luca took him down last year. Will that happen again?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
The Knicks over the last three years have become a
very patient franchise. They were very impulsive for years with
James Dolan seeking stars and relevance. I do not feel
they are that franchise. I think they're patient the Villanova Corps,
but I do think they have hit. When you watch
them against Cleveland or Boston, it's very clear this won't
(09:00):
be the answer. So you can be patient. At some point,
you got pay the bills.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Here.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
We all know they need another shot maker, not necessarily
a creator, a shot maker. Kd could be a fit.
What do the Knicks have to because my thing is
they'll win a playoff series. Do they have to win
a second for Tims to keep his job?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
They have to be competitive in the second round.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think everybody looks at.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Take Cleveland seven.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
He keeps the job.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah, I think, and the team doesn't completely break
down like it did against Indiana last year. But to
your point, you're right, I mean, this is their ceiling,
and part of it is whether it's creator or playmaker.
The problem is that you're asking Jalen Brunson to be both,
and at his size and physicality, it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Just doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
You're asking that he is a wonder and he's making
the most out of what he has.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And I love him as a player.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Great face of the franchise guy, yes, But is he
the best player on a championship caliber team. The answer
for me, for all that I love about him is no.
And so you either need a tremendous dynamic number two
or you need a playmaker who now allows Jalen to
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play more off the ball and be a scorer. But
asking him to do both on this team, a team
with a coach who is as least offensively creative yeah
as Tibbs is, is just a dynamic that's not going
to get you farther than the second round.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Ye I've made this argument Rick Buker for our radio
audience joining us is that generally we've never given the
Spurs dynasty the love we gave the Bulls, the Warriors
of the Lakers, because this is a league where aesthetics
matter what do you look like when you're winning, and
the Spurs have largely been pushed off to the side,
(11:03):
as if we've forgotten well run organization. But we don't
talk about man who's maybe the best six man ever.
Duncan's one of the five ten great bigs ever. Tony
Parker was an MVP in Pops with a basketball genius
before a lot of people. I mean he was ahead
of the game. Sure, So I look at the Celtics
and I think similarly. Despite the big brand is Tatum's
(11:27):
a little reluctant. He says he would love to be
the faith of the league. He's not a big personality.
He's more of a grinder. Jalen Brown to two. Their
strength is three point shooting, a young coach who's grown
up quick, unbelievable depth. But they've got a lot of
B plus and one A in Tatum and I don't
quite think we understand how good they are in that
(11:48):
the way the league, the way the CBA works now,
it would be almost impossible to create a lineup like
this going forward. And they've kind of been grand You
can sam wrong on this, I probably am, but they're
kind of grandfathered in the way they you know, as
the league is currently constructed, they don't want.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You to be this deep.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
They don't want Derek White to be your fifth best player. No,
And I think we look at them and I look
at them and how dominant they can be on the road,
and I'm like, that's what the all time teams did,
went on the road and can win seven of eight
against playoff teams. I think Boston is really special. But
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esthetically they're much more even the old Celtic teams. Bird
was a fighter, Walton was crazy, Danny Age was rolling
on the floor. There was a lot of sex appeal
to it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Well, who is their most dynamic personality.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
They don't have one.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
It's probably Jalen Brown probably right, and he's but the
rest of them they're defined like Derek White's a good guy,
Jason Tatum's a nice guy.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Al Horford nice guy.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Through holiday but they're all sort of quiet and they
just go about their business.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And you know, Jalen is Jalen is.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
The loudest in terms of give me the ball and
get out of the way.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But he's also a great team player, and he.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Is and he's fully willing to take the toughest defensive assignment.
So yes, I think that they are a little underappreciated.
That's what it might take it in terms of what
they are. And they are extremely unique in that they've
got so many quality players that would be quality players
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on any team.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Derek White Holiday.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I mean, when you're Peyton Pritchard, they have seven guys.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Even a Horford sam Hauser gives you good minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
If I told you in a playoff game, Horford had
twenty two points and got hot from the corner, you'd
be like, yeah, I expect one of those.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I think there's so much deeper and so I mean,
basically they've had two basketball gurus, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens,
and basically they've built a similar roster. Can you shoot,
pass and handle the ball, go nine deepot ten deep on.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
That this is the one achilles heel to that which
is and We see it all the time, Like, what
makes them so difficult is everybody on the floor can
can score.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Everybody, everybody can shoot a three. Everybody right, I mean
everybody right.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
And then when they go to the bench, we bring
in more guys who can shoot threes.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
They are never without that the days that for whatever
reason they're not creating the open looks or they're not
taking quality threes. And now you get into a tight
game and you have to rely on Jason Tatum or
Jalen Brown going iso one on one.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
That's when they.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Struggle because those guys are good all around players. They're
not a Luka Doncic type. Give me the ball and
I'm going to get to a place that's just going
to contort the defense and so but and that's what
we love, right, We love it when we see Luca
getting to a place he's either scoring and it seems
like it's impossible to stop that guy, or he's thrown
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it behind the back pass to somebody for a wide
open three. You don't get that element with the Boston Celtics.
They have everything else, and what makes them, what makes
them great is what makes them a little vulnerable and
that they they they're an equal opportunity team, right, and
that makes them difficult to stop.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But in these type moments, they're vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
If you can make it a close game that change
and take away the three.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Now they're not quite as dynamic.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Rick Buker, good stuff, Fox NBA Analyst. Tomorrow, it's Warriors
and Memphis. We would take Golden State in that game experience.
It's almost an ideal matchup for them for a play
in game.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Is it not pretty close? Pretty close? I don't want
to think about the Bay A living in the Bay.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Area, what the Bay Area would be like if they
if they wind up stopped going out once again in
the play in Not a good thought.
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Speaker 1 (17:08):
Good Monday show, flying by. Here's Jordan with the news.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
No, no, No, the news.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Colin, I know you love this guy as a potential
sleeper in the draft. Kyle McCord, as I reported earlier
this morning, visiting the Steelers today and scheduled to meet
with the New York Giants tomorrow. Several teams I've spoken
with Colin say he's one of the more undervalued players
in the entire draft. I highlight his prototypical size, winning pedigree,
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capacity to read coverage, and just to give you an
idea of how prolific he was last year, not only
leading the country in passing first in every single major
statistical category in Syracuse history, which is significant because it
best on in the MCNAP.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So he's proven to you in big games at Ohio
State with the under pressure he can succeed. He then
goes to more of a basketball school where they have
good talent, not great talent, and blows away games and
wins ten games. So he's shown he can guide and
manage a hyper talented roster, pressurized environment. And then he's
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shown that he can carry a franchise to New Heights.
I think he's the sleeper in the draft. I again,
in a strong quarterback draft, maybe he's a third rounder.
To me, he's a top of the second round. If
I was a team like a Cleveland go get a
Travis Hunter. I think, I think, I think Kyle mccorden
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Shador Sanders, I think it's a coin flip. What I
don't get is the people that are taking Jackson Dart
over Kyle McCord. That I don't get. I get cam
Ward over him, I get. But I think this kid
has a chance to be the second best quarterback in
the draft.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Six three two twenty, can move really good.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
In the participatory thrower.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Yeah, and not only that, I mean, I just go
back to the winning. He's twelve and one in Ohio state,
he lose in Michigan, kind of becomes a scapegoat, wins
ten games of Syracuse. He's nine and four as a
starter in games in which his team was trailing, and
really he passed every test other than Michigan, which again
is probably not that fair that Michigan team won the
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national championship.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I'm in on him.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
I'm really in on him, and I think a lot
of teams are too. And I would argue that most
teams are probably higher on him than the public of
the draft.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's funny Buckeye fans are higher on Will Howard, who
I don't see as an NFL starting quarterback. I think
he's a backup because this kid left. You know, there's
the natural Oh we love the new guy. Kyle McCord
is a significantly more talented quarterback than Will Howard.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
Another quarterback, Jaden Daniels, took the league by storm this season.
RAMS coach Sean McVay commented on how impressed he was
by Daniels, saying that he loved his ability to be
quote totally immersed in the moment. That's one of the
things I loved about watching him. I don't see that changing.
He's going to be really scary for a long time.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Colin. I think there's a really important.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Point too to be made about Jaden Daniels, which is
to say he's never too high, he's never too low. Now,
that can go one of two ways. If you're not winning,
fans will say, well, why doesn't he show more emotion,
But when you are winning and you're that mature, it
makes perfect sense. And I go back to what Cliff
Kingsbury told me something he did before this season started.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
He went to his quarterback.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Jaden Daniels, and he said, what are the three, four
or five best plays and concepts that you ran at LSU.
Now show me that on the board, and we will
design the offense predicated on that foundation. And So if
you think about why that's a board not only to
build the camaraderie rapport, but for Jaden to have to
be able to fall back when maybe things aren't going
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so well.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Well and know.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
That at the very least he has a few plays
and concepts schemes that he's really comfortable with. He also has.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
The full trust of Dan Quinn, of Adam Peters.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
They are building that franchise on his shoulders that I
couldn't be more impressed.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, I mean, I think if you're in that division,
you have to now build. I mean, I think that's
why Dallas doesn't want to get rid of Micah is
because they have to have an elite pass rusher in
a division with Jayden Daniels. Yeah, and I can see
Dallas saying if it was a strong draft where we
could duplicate Micah for much less money. But I think
Dallas looks at it and thinks the only way to
beat Washington and Philly going forward is put pressure on
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those quarterbacks. So again, this draft is so weak by
draft standards, I think it makes it very difficult to
make moves for like teams like Dallas or maybe a
Pittsburg that would move off. Sure, an expensive player, but
there's nobody in this draft to replace them or necessarily
even close.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
So to you, is this a.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Three player drafts in terms of the top Hunter Carter
or just Hunter and Carter.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, I think there's one quarterback who will start and
help his team win games immediately, get Ward. That's cam Ward.
Then I think there's three or four really really unique talents.
Jen t Travis Hunter, Abdua Carter. I think Kelvin Banks,
the left tackle for Texas. You know he gets a
lot of crap, but I watched him in every big game.
He was good.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
You were telling me about him a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Will Johnson at Michigan I think's great. Mason Graham, who's
an interior lineman from Serve By, California who plays hard
every play, may not have the athletic ability as other
d linemen, but it's a running back, defensive tackle draft so.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
And Titans and tight end Taylor Warren out of Penn State.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
I mean that he has a legit chance to go
top ten, top fifteen.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
That's actually the guy I want to see a lot
of these teams take just because I think he's that special.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
But he's a tight end.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
So the Thunder finish out in impressive sixty eight win
regular season with the largest point differential in NBA history
twelve point nine points per game. Margin broke the previous record,
which had been in place Colin for over five decades.
The Thunder one the West in a landslide with the
sixteen game gap between OKC and Houston. The last five
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teams to have the best point differential per game all
won that season's NBA title. That includes Kareem's nineteen seventy
one Bucks, MJ's ninety six Bowls, and obviously the twenty
seventeen Warriors.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, I mean I think deep these teams that don't
have a title yet, that want home court advantage and
are young. So for Oklahoma City, I think home court
advantage is a big deal. My only question with them
is can they go to LA and win a big
road game? Can they go You know, if they get
into a situation with some of these teams in the
West that are dangerous, could be a Golden State, it
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could be a Clippers. So I think young teams that
don't have a title and have a lot of depth,
they want that record, They want that number one seed.
They want to play at home and have that last
game in any series, so I listen, they're not going
to get bounced. My only question for them is when
they get to the Western Conference Finals. The more I
think about it, the more I like Lakers.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Okay, see, yeah, I think the Lakers man with Luca
and Lebron, Like, why are they're like minus one forty
to win that first round series?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
That feels so light to me? Oka see sixty nine?
How many wins? Sixty eight? Why aren't we talking about
the thunder? Is it just because they haven't done it?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You know? I think it's a I we don't talk
a lot about the regular season NBA. I mean, I
just don't think. I think there's three teams that feel
different Celtics, Calves, ok see. But the Lakers, because they
have three playmakers, are probably one of the harder teams
to defend.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Yeah, I'll tell you really quickly. I was at Calves
Nicks the other night. Nick blew a twenty four point
halftime lead. Now, Donovan Mitchell didn't play, but Karl Anthony
Towns didn't play. The reason I want to bring this
up there is such a great vibe on that Calves team.
They have incredible and it feels to me a little
bit like there are a college atmosphere, like these guys really.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Are rooting for one another.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
And I know it's it sounds cheesy, but in the
NBA playoffs, when you are that connected and you have
the talent that they have, Garland Mitchell fantastic, the two
centers Allen and and obviously Mobile, Cleveland's the team in.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
The easter Well.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I mean, if you look at for instance, Denver's an
older team, Golden State's an older team.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Lakers are hit or miss Lakers.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Lakers are an older team. Cleveland feels like they're one
year ahead of OKAC. Like we've watched this Cleveland thing
bill for about four Like last year we thought was
the year. The NBA is a baby steps lead. So
the idea that Oklahoma City is gonna have this year
and then win the championship, I think Oklahoma City is
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the Cavs last year where they're gonna win a series.
They're they're a very good basketball team, but in the
end their fans will be left disappointed.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
Detroit's another year behind them, and I would say that
Cleveland this year feels to me a lot like Denver
did when they won it.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
When it just feels like this might be time.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Ye Jordan with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the Herd Line news. Well, Frank
Wright years ago was part of a group in Carolina
that took Bryce Young, who really emerged last year as
a number one quarterback. He's now the coach at Stanford.
He is next joining us live in LA. It's the
Herd and Jim Ersay are interesting owners. They've got strong opinions,
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can be a bit temperamental. And Frank Reich has found
himself now at the College at Stanford with Andrew Luck
and it's a whole different world. So I would have
said ten years ago, Frank, stay out of college, go
coach in the NFL. But now with the portal, you
are going to recruit a lot of kids that already
have experience. They're not sixteen, they're twenty one or twenty two.
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I mean, just take me through how you viewed college
six years ago and how you view it today, and
how that's changed because of the portal of me and
I am.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
It feels to me like Colin like it's going to
the more of an NFL model so.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Structured that way, you know.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
Even here with Andrew being Andrew Luckbying named gm uh.
You know, my situation is unique because it's an interim
deal that both he and I agree were best.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
You know, at this time of year. It was good
for me personally.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
So you know, my focus is to come in here
and develop the talent that is here since I won't
be here long term, you know, and I'm excited to
do that. Like even in just two weeks here of springball,
I can feel the progress that we've made. I can
feel the energy and excitement around what we're doing, you know,
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bringing some things that some of the experience that I've
had in the professional level, some of the concepts, some
of the thoughts philosophy that can go up and helped
and helped his team.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
So I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know, Frank, it's interesting you've had that. Philip Rivers,
Andrew Locke, Carson Wentz, Bryce Young is there as we
talk about, you know, cam Ward and Schneer Sanders. The
kid I like is Kyle McCord at Syracuse. So I
think it's a really underrated player, really anticipatory thrower. I
like him Ohio State Syracuse. I think he's going to
be a little bit of a sleeper. Is there something
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because Bryce Young really emerged last year his first year,
it was a lot. This game is fast, it's it's
it's it's just a different world. What is the one
thing that attracted you about Bryce Young or a Carson Wentz,
the one thing you would tell a college quarterback, Okay,
you're going to pros. This is where it's going to
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be really different. What is that thing?
Speaker 8 (28:50):
I think it starts with mental toughness, you know, a
resiliency too, and a mindset that you're always going to
get better. You know, I always define toughness as a
relentless pursuit to get better every day, an obsession to finish.
And so when I'm looking for quarterbacks or what I
would tell a quarterback, that's the number one factor, you know,
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was quarter Peyton Manning's quarterback coach mentally as tough as
they come, you know, Andrew Luck, Bryce Young, Carson, you
know all those guys. That's a trait that they have
because you're gonna take there's gonna be bumps and bruises
along the road. You have to find ways to keep
getting better. You have to find ways to keep leaving
in yourself and in the team and where you're going,
and and then if you have the juice, you're going
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to win and you're going to be successful.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You know, Frank, I've said this. I think coaching in
the NBA or the NFL's gotten harder. It used to
be that an owner had, let's say a six hundred
million dollar net worth, and he would give you an
extra year. Well, they're all billionaires, okay, so forty million
dollars to run a coach out of the room is
a rounding air. And I do do you feel like
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Bill Belichick had voiced this? Ownership now is richer, They're
more impulsive, they're less patient. The media is more relentless.
They're social media, the owners on that watching what people
are saying. Is it possible in here your golden years
of coaching that college. Actually it's easier to deal with
an athletic director than a billionaire. That this may be
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what we see some NFL coaches transitioning to.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
Yeah, that's an interesting thought. It's an interesting thought. I
just think it comes down to, you know, personal preference.
For me, you know, in my years coaching in the NFL,
I think the appeal was, you know, you're at the
you're playing with the best, you're coaching the best of
the best, and it's all football twenty four to seven.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
What makes this position so appealing to me? To come
in here at.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
This stage at sixty three, at the end of thirty
plus years playing and coaching. You know, I'm looking at
this as an opportunity to impact the student athlete, you know,
coach football and give them all the experience and the
stuff from the NFL, but also impact, you know, people
on a personal level, bring a team together. So I
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think you can make a case either way. For me
at this stage in my life, this is exactly what
I'm looking for.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So you coached Andrew Luck back with the Colts. How
many practices did it take with Andrew Luck to realize, Wow,
this guy's smart, this guy's really good. Like is it instant?
I mean like they talk about the great players, the
Kobe Bryants, where you watch it, where you watch him
work out and you're like, yeah, that doesn't look like
anybody else. Could you tell instantly with Andrew Luck what
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you could give him, what he could retain? Did you
know instantly this is different?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yes, in every way?
Speaker 8 (31:53):
You know, mentally, his approach to the game, how the
questions he asked, what the comments he would make watching
the tape. The strange things was Kindlin that physically, you know,
obviously from watching him in his earlier years before I
got there, I knew he was physically dominant at the position,
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but he was coming off his shoulder injury. So that
year in twenty eighteen, and we had a pretty stinking
good team. At the end of the year, no one
wanted to play us, And we're two weeks before our
Week one starter, our Week one game, and I still
have yet to see him throw a ball over forty
yards because of the injury that he was coming off of,
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and he was on a pitch count. And it was
a really strange year. And then we of course started
one in five and then won nine of ten, and
he was the hottest thing there was, and you could
just but you could see his leadership even in the
one in five start, as he physically was kind of
gaining his confidence back in his shoulder and his throwing.
But now it was just it felt different right from
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the start with him.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
As a young player at Tennessee, really talented kid Nico Iamaliava,
and I like him a lot. He moves, he's mobile,
he's got an arm. He's just young. He's raw. He
can be hitting mess not quite there yet, but most,
you know, young quarterbacks aren't. And so it's pretty funny.
So everybody's crushing the kid.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Oh his dad.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
But I could see the kids saying time out. Our
football program makes one hundred and forty nine million, coach
makes twelve. Duke just gave a guy from two lane
four million. I'm making two. I let us to the playoff.
Maybe have a have a problem with the NC double A.
I'm getting mine. I mean, it's funny everybody's crushing the kid,
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but I kind of get it. What do you make
of that situation?
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Yeah, I haven't really followed it very much, you know.
I mean, it's right now in the trends, you remember.
I mean this last season, I was I was retired, right,
and I was good being retired and hadn't been found
hadn't been found that the college game that much. But
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this just presented such a unique scenario to me before
I kind of completely shut it down. It was like
I told my wife, I said, I would only get
back in this for you know, a really unique and
special situation.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
So that's why I'm here.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
So the situation you're talking about, I'm not familiar with
all the dynamics of it, to be quite honest with you.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Colin, would you the NIL and transfer portal? Will it
benefit Stanford which is an academic power or is it more?
Is that something moral Ohio State's going to go after
or do you kind of know? Listen, this is what
we are, this is what we want. How does Stanford
approach that is an academic power?
Speaker 8 (34:48):
I think it does come. You know, it's I've heard
you say, you know, I mean one of the things
that I've heard you say over the years. And I
don't get a chance to watch that much, but obviously
I have watched and listened to you over the years,
and you always say and I always strongly agree, and
like when you say this about good teams have an identity,
they know who they are, yes, And you always say that,
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and that's what this place has. This place has an identity.
And it not only has an identity as an academic institution,
but it also has an identity as.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
A football program.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
You know, we're going to run the football uh, you know,
we're gonna have good old line play.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Our tight end room is going to be strong.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
There's you know, they're going to be used in a
powerful way to create extra gaps, create this power run
game and then to be able to throw play action
off of this run game and uh and play good, smart,
tough football. And so that's what the idea, you know,
with Andrew kind of at the Helm and him really
leading that identity when it was in its heyday here
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at Stanford, that's that's the identity that he's going to
lead this, uh, this university back to as a football program.
And so and I understand what he's looking for. I
understand that vision. And so that's that's what we're recruiting towards.
That's what you will use the NIL that's what we'll
use the portal for. That's what we'll scheme for. We'll
stick to that identity, and that's what we're going to
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make our money.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Finally, you know, you coach at one of the only
places in the country where half the time your players
are as smarter or smarter than the coach. Are you
okay with that?
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I am okay with that.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
You know, Over the years, I've I've learned a lot
of football and a lot of life from a lot
of good players.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
So yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm here.
Speaker 8 (36:35):
You know, even though these they're they're much younger, but
it is a unique it is a unique atmosphere and
for the players, well, I can tell that already. I
can just feel the energy being here for two weeks,
and you're looking forward to getting to know everyone you
know right on the deeper level over the.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Next football season.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Frank, love to have you on again. Good luck to
you and Stanford and Andrew Luck one of my all
time favorite quarterbacks. Andrew Luck is retirement heartbreaking probably for
him and many others in Indianapolis, and me certainly is
a fan, great senior coach. Okay, thanks Colin, you bet yeh.
Stanford's in a totally different model. I always feel it's
got kind of a Notre Dame fieldhe there's a way
to win it Notre Dame in Stanford. You don't want
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to get into track meets O line tight end quarterback coaching.
If you go look at the Jim Harbaugh or Marcus
Freeman teams at Notre Dame, that's the way to build them.
You could have good backs you could have, but it's
a physical presence. It is a lean into physicality and
(37:35):
that's what you can do at Notre Dame in Stanford.
And that's what Andrew Lux teams were. I mean, they
were tough and physical teams. That's what Notre Dame was
this year as well. So good stuff. Albert Breerrick Buker,
Frank Wright, Colin right, Colin wrong. Jordan Schultz is in
this week for Jason McIntyre. I don't know where Jason goes.
Somewhere with a beach. I can take the cold.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
It's funny, Jason. I know is somewhere warm. I discovered
over the course of my brief, brief respite, my brief
vacation after about four days staring at water on the beach.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
That's about it for me. A couple of books, good
couple of books. Yeah, and then I'm ready to go
back to work. You know, I had more fun this weekend.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
You wanted to watch baseball too?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Saturday I wanted to Saturday and Sunday I had more
fun watching the Masters every shot. I mean, yesterday was
one of my favorite TV days since Tiger Woods Prime.
Wow four and a half five hours of great golf,
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Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
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