April 15, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin looks at the upcoming NFL draft and explains why there are only 8 teams in his "Circle of Trust" that he expects to make the right decision. After Luka Doncic becomes the first international player to lead the NBA in jersey sales, Colin believes he has all the attributes to be the face of the league. Plus, Nick Wright from First Things First joins the show to breakdown Colin's "Circle of Trust" and why Rory McIlroy's Master win was a perfect representation of what the great golfer's career has been
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Oh, here we go a lot to talk about NBA
playing game start tonight in Los Angeles. It's the herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Jordan Schultz
is here. J Mack is going to be joining us
here next week. He's on VAK right now. We love
that for him.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I just got off VAK, so I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
There's a story that cam Ward is one of the
seventeen players who's going to get invited to the draft,
and Jordan, this is interesting. Every industry you noticed this,
every industry. It could be real estate, it could be
NFL teams, it doesn't matter. It could be landscaping. There's
like one or two in your hometown. You trust right,
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it's Uber, it's Lyft. If a third company came in,
probably wouldn't have the impact.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Very few elite anything.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's why when you watch the draft once again this year,
it's the same teams Cleveland, the Jets, the Raiders, the Giants,
the Panthers, the Browns, the Titans, the Jaguars. It's always
the same teams drafting at the top of the draft.
In fact, if you look in my opinion. They're eight
teams that I consider sort of my circle of trust
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owner GM, coach and quarterback. Only eight in the entire league,
a quarter of the NFL. Baltimore, Kansas City, Green Bay Rams,
Philly Niners, Detroit Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
They're not perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Sometimes they overpay, they miss on draft picks. Eventually some
have had to fire coaches. But that's my circle of
trust owner GM, coach, quarterback mostly a's. Then there's a
second group of teams that check a lot of boxes.
But there's something I don't love. Denver Seahawks, Chargers, Tampa Vikings,
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Houston and the Commanders. I think the Commanders could get
to that Tier one by the end of next year.
But that's fifteen total teams. That is less than half
of the NFL. I've said this multiple times in the
last year. NFL is becoming a little bit like the NBA.
Very few at the top, small middle, large bottom. And
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that's because in the NFL, quarterback is so essential now
that if you don't have one, you're a half.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Not well, what about the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
They've won three playoff games in thirteen years over backup
level quarterbacks. Never an elite quarterback in thirteen years, they've
won a playoff game, not one against the great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
What about Indy?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I like the GM, I like the coach, quarterback, owner,
you can have them. What about Cincinnati, that's all about
Joe Burrow. Take him out. Bad franchise. So New England,
let's take a deep breath on Mike Frable. I think
it'll work. But they've been bad for several years. So
when you look at cam Ward, cam Ward is the
one player in the draft that can get Tennessee at
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least by the end of this year. Because Will Levis
was so bad, he could get them into the Tier
two group. He could do what seed Day Stroud did
to Houston. So to me, he's a playmaker. It's a
weak division. He's got an offensive coach. I look at
cam Ward as the one guy in this draft of
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the seventeen invited. He's the one guy that can change
a have not to a half. Abdull Carter is an
excellent player, but do we really believe if he went
to Cleveland with their quarterback mess, they're suddenly a Tier one,
Tier two team. Earlier this week or last week on
this show from the Athletic, Dane Brugler talked about it's
not about landing Mahomes, it's just about getting in one
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of those top couple of tiers in the league.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
When we were talking about quarterbacks in the NFL draft,
it's almost like you're making a bet, right, I mean,
you're making a bet that this guy can be a
top fifteen quarterback in the NFL. And I think for
most teams they see cam Ward as a guy that
can be maybe a top twelve, top fourteen quarterback. Is
that's what you're looking for. The goal shouldn't be defined
the next Patrick Mahomes. The goal should be, hey, let's
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find a guy is going to help us compete, and
let it help us get to the playoffs. Because once
you get into the playoffs, anything as possible.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And so as I look at this draft, and I
look at this league as a whole, there's only one
way to go from chaos to a top tier group quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Even a coach is limited. It's the quarterback. That's what
Houston did nothing against Demiko Ryans.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
It's CJ.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And to go from Will Levis to cam Ward feels
like you could make a seven. I mean, look at
what Josh Allen did to Buffalo what Burrow did the Cincinnati.
So there's only one way to do it. You got
to hit on the quarterback, and I think Tennessee will.
So this has been a topic on another network, on
a very popular show, one of their hosts, Popular Guys, said, hey,
international guy can't.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Be the face of the NBA. And I thought a
lot about that, but.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This morning it really hit me as Luca Dantag, former
Maverick from Overseas now a Laker is the top selling
NBA jersey. Stephen Lebron are right behind him. You know,
I don't buy that debate because I think borders, at
least in sports are getting erased. Everything is global now
and I want you to think about this. Sho Hey
Otani does not speak English.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
He's a face of baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
The UFC surged past boxing and it was never more
popular than when irishman Connor McGregor was the face of
the sport MLS, their most popular player and their biggest straw.
Today MESSI and over the weekend Northern Ireland's Rory McElroy
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became the face of golf. Now you could argue it's
Brooks Koepka, it's Bryce and De Shamba, but other players,
including Phil Nicholson, chose to go to the live tour.
That was polarizing, not to me but to a lot
of people. But Tiger and Rory remained with the PGA
and because of that, and coupled with the Masters, winned
Augusta and he'll be the favorite at the British Open
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played in Northern Ireland. I think it's fair to say
that Rory McElroy is the face of golf. Oh. By
the way, Alexander Olvetskin had certainly an argument over the
last twenty years with like a Sydney Crosby. He was
the face of the NHL, certainly recently the most talked about.
So all these sort of arbitrary borders, I think it
are raced in sports. And I think Luka Dantac is
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a very very unique player. One of the things America
really likes more than anything were the country of winners.
We keep track and Luca with the Lakers if Steph
and Lebron retire tomorrow. He's a trash talking international player. Okay,
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that wasn't what international players used to be. Luca is
much more like us than any international player. He trash talks, fans.
He trash talks refs. That's what quote our players do.
Most international players would come over. They were very polite,
overly loyal, worked hard, much like Wemby tried to basically
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disappear when they weren't at the arena. But Luca coming
to Los Angeles is a bigger star. He is a
trash talker, He's a scoring wizard. The beer after the
game they pulled out of his hands. He was part
of a controversial trade. Now he's at the NBA's biggest brand.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
He's US. He gets along with Lebron, he gets along
with Austin Reeves. He's US. So I don't buy into this.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Rory can't be the face of golf or show Hey
or Messy or Connor McGregor. The bottom line is America
loves winners. That's what we're into. I say, Michael Jordan,
you think six for six, Lebron's got all the records, Michael,
six for six, Tom Brady all the trophies? Is Tom
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the most talented? Can Tom do what Josh Allen, Lamar,
Patrick Mahomes can do? No, Tom's the ultimate winner. And
if Luca, yes, if the Lakers and I think they
have to be a favorite or a cold favorite to
get the NBA finals. If they win a championship, Luca
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will have played very well, and I think more than
Jason Tatum, who, by the way, this morning I looked
it up. Jason Tatum is the tenth most watched player
on YouTube highlights, tenth with the best team. He didn't
have the aura, he didn't have the personality. He's not
a trash talker. Guy over my shoulder right there on
FS one. Luca is so international guys have assimilated, they
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become more westernized. I said this a couple of years
ago with Giannis, when Yannis said basically, get me a
good player or trade me, that was a very domestic move.
That's what our stars do. That's what Lebron does, That's
what the Lake Kobe Bryant did. I'm going to Chicago.
If you don't get me somebody they got on Paalgasol.
Jannis is basically, get be a better player. I'm adam Milwaukee.
That's not what international players did my entire life watching
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this league. That's what they do now now They breight
fans and trash talk refts and are polarizing. Nothing says
America more than that. All Luca needs is a trophy,
because that's all sho hey Otani needed a trophy to
be the face of baseball. All right, we're a very
connected world in twenty twenty five that you know, listen
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our our government may have it out for Canada, but
when Steve Nash was win an MVP s Steve Nash
was us, nobody really cared. We got a lot of
stuff going on. You know, the Warriors play tonight, and
if the Warriors playing Memphis don't win tonight, Jordan Schultz,
what do we make of them? Because they feel a
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little bit like the old couple at the night club it.
I mean, if you really look at them, Okase is young,
Minnesota can be youngish, Cleveland's young. In the East, so
there's a lot of youth. I mean, the Celtics are
not young, and the Lakers are not young.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
But a lot of the West.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Is these impro like Utah is going to get real good,
real fast.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It's a lot of youth.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And then there's the old Warriors where Draymond's their youngest
starred I think he's thirty five. So like if the
Warriors lost tonight, and I don't think it's going to happen.
They were seven and a half point favorite. I think
it's going to be close, but I'll take the Warriors
to win. But if they lost tonight, they're locked into
Butler and Steph and Draymon?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Is it like the end?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Not getting younger.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
The key point you made yesterday, Colin was that for
all the great players they've drafted, Draymond, Clay, Steph Looney,
a lot of these newer players that have come in,
Kuminga Moody, they just haven't fit in. So Kuminga first
half of the season was fantastic, second half of the
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season minutes down three point percentage, mid twenties, not being
as productive.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Can you trust that guy? Can you trust this movie?
Speaker 6 (11:00):
When it really matters in the playoffs, We're going to
find out a lot tonight.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Even if they win and move on, we will.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Find out a lot tonight about where Steve Kerr is
at in terms of the younger players on that roster.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Most importantly Kaminga.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
By the way, an NFL team being very clever pretending
they really like a quarterback, and my take is they
really don't. Plus, I said something yesterday that got people
worked up. I had two former NFL coaches text me
last night to tell me I'm wrong. I'll tell you
what that is coming up next.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
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Speaker 2 (11:39):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yesterday I touched a nerve because I talked about the
six quarterbacks that I think are going to be draft
of the highest. And you know, I said, Cam is
the best playmaker, Shador needs the right fit, but I
like a lot about him. Kyle McCord at Syracuse, to me,
is probably the sleeper in the entire draft. But it
was interesting because I said Jackson dark to me is
Thatack Wilson and Zach Wilson flamed out in the NFL
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very quickly in New York. So I got a lot
of pushback from people and said, oh, give me a break. Okay,
there's a lot of rea. I did a little bit
of homework on this. Both are six to two, Both
went to the same powerhouse high school football program in Utah,
so they're both about the same size. They're both good looking,
kind of cocky, very confident guys who have really good arms.
But when they played in college elite competition, when the
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game sped up, when they faced better coaching, it wasn't good.
Zach Wilson in his career against the Huskies of Washington
and the Utes of Utah was zero and three, three touchdowns,
four picks. Jackson Dart against Baman and Georgia was one
for three, one in three, excuse me.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And his only win.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
He completed thirteen percent of his passes and completed well
under sixty percent.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And it's even I hear this.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I had two people pushed back to me, Hey, Jackson
Dart has got it.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
The two things be very careful about because it's a
weak college quarterback draft class, so people are.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Going to reach.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's like Kenny Pickett. That was a terrible quarterback draft class.
People reached on Kenny Pickett. The Steelers reached. He was
not a first round quarterback. I had an NFL general
manager with multiple Super Bowl rings tell me they graded
him as a mid third round pick.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Steelers reached.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It was a bad quarterback draft class, probably the worst
in the last decade or more.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
This is really bad. It's not as bad.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
There is a second round quarterback Kyle McCord, Syracuse, who
I think could end up being a franchise quarterback if
he gets the right landing spot. He's not great enough
or transformational enough to overcome a bad coach or a
bad old line or a bad owner. I think cam
Ward could even Shador Sanders, who could go number two
or three in the draft. I think it's where he
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lands the coach, the players, the roster of the GM,
the owner. So just be very careful when you hear
two things. Oh, this quarterback's a winner. What does that mean?
Every quarterback ever at Bama, George o'hiles winners. That doesn't
mean anything. Will Howard won a bunch of games. He's
not as good as cam Ward. He wasn't as good
when cam Ward was at Washington State, and they don't
win that much. The second thing is, well, he's got it.
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That's what they said about Josh Allen. Josh Allen six
five and a half two fifty five and jumps over linebackers.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's not it. That's traits.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So here's the other thing though, if you look in
the Athletic, this is the draft profile of the Athletic,
it says about Jackson Dart. A three year starter at
Old Miss, he thrived in offensive coordinator Charlie Weiss junior
spread RPO heavy play action scheme. Here's Zach Wilson in
the Athletic his draft profile. A three year starter at BYU,
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he was productive in a former offensive coordinator Jeff Grimes
RPO based heavy play action scheme six' two same high,
school power ass, program surrounded by better players go to.
College both dominated weaker. Competition when they faced the best college,
teams it dried up, really really. Fast and Again Dan
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brugler on earlier last week and on our show On Jackson,
dart AND i watched them in. COLLEGE i never saw,
him AND i felt this About Zach. WILSON i never
saw him as a first round.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
QUARTERBACK i came away more impressed With Lane kiffin and
the way he sets up his offense and calls the
plays THAN i did with the. Quarterback and that's not
really a knock On Jackson. Dart it's just it's such
a scheme or quarterback friendly, scheme that it really makes
things easy for. Him fifty three percent of his snaps
were play, action a lot of, screens a lot of
one read, okay it's not, There. Boom i'm gonna take
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off and use my legs and get six. Yards and
you know. What that works at the college.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Level it does not work in THE nfl level unless
You're Lamar. Jackson so it's it's. Listen in good quarterback draft,
classes the first five quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Taken one's a star to work and.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Rebust so this is a week class where you may
have one guy who starts and a lot of. Misses
and that's kind of my Guest jalen milrolls too. Mechanical
Jackson dart to me Is Zach Wilson Shador sanders absolutely
needs the right landing. SPOT i don't buy the kid From,
louisville WHO i swear is forty four years.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
OLD i don't buy. It SO i think we're gonna
get a lot of.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
REACHES i Think Jackson dart's gonna be a reach for
Like pittsburgh at twenty. One and my, Take i'm gonna
put it out. THERE i don't think it's gonna work
at a high.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
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Two it's the herd wherever you may be and however
you may be. Listening thanks for making us part of your.
Day Jordan schulten for J, Mac Joe clatten hour from,
Now Nick wright in five. Minutes SO i was thinking about.
THIS i got a lot to talk about With nick right.
HERE i was thinking about. This so The suns fired
their coach during our show. Yesterday Mike budenholzer never thought
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it was a great. Fit got run In, milwaukee out Running.
Phoenix he And katie had. Issues he And Bradley beal had.
Issues weirdly, constructed they rolled the. DICE i appreciate the
swing By Matt, eshbia but in the end it.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Just didn't, work especially The beal.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Part didn't work at. All but it goes to show
you a lot About Kevin. Durant so THE nba and
pro sports is a lot more than just. TALENT i
see this all the. TIME i talk to nflgms about
this all the. Time some kids don't love. Football some
kids it takes them a long time to fit in
to the. Group they don't want to work hard. Enough
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the playbook's harder than they. Thought So katie's one of
the more talented players in the. Game he Is wemby Before,
wemby a seven foot of the can handible, ball unbelievable,
talent but Like Aaron, rodgers he's kind of a creative
and he's a. Wanderer And Steph curry And Tom, brady
in my, opinion have far less, talent but they, sacrifice
they get along with. Others they're totally, committed their laser
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focused and now K d since leaving The, warriors seven
coaches fired two playoff series, wins AND i, THINK i
mean over the last fifteen, Years i'd make an argument
second most talented player To Lebron. James But Lebron james
always made much better, decisions much more business savvy, about you,
know very, calculated always a step ahead of the.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Process kadie just wants the. Ball AND i, mean.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Look at he could still. Play he was excellent In
phoenix fifty three percent twenty six a, game forty three
percent from, three but seven fired. Coaches he's become now
a really talented bounce around the league. Guy he doesn't.
Care Rick buker talked about. This you can bring him,
in but don't ask him to lead the franchise even
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in his.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Prime just that's not who he.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
Is his committed lack of relate leadership's. COMMITTED i just
want to hoop and you. Play you take a player
of that talent and bring him into your, team it
just it screws up the. Dynamic AND i love this
dynamic of The, rockets and, YES i do think they
need to upgrade. There BUT i wouldn't sacrifice that for
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a roll of.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The dice on A Kevin.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Durant, YEAH i would if he goes To New, york
which HAS i think a very strong leader In Jalen
brunson who feels like a glue, guy not as talented
as A, carmelo but feels much more like a, giving,
committed focused elevator of. Others SO I Jalen brunson to,
ME i don't think you always have to be a
superstar to be a great leader of a. TEAM i
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Think Jalen brunson's a great quarterback now In Kansas, city
the quarterback's the best.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Player but there are, TIMES i.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
MEAN i, mean you could you could Argue gronk was
more gifted Than, brady and there were there were other.
Players Randy moss, was But tom was, committed focused elevated.
Others Jalen brunson's great for The. Knicks katie's not a.
Leader he's a shot. Maker AND i think you're going
to see very quickly in the playoffs and The knicks
need another shot. Maker they're gonna get worked on the
pick and roll by The calves or The. Celtics if
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they play, them and they're good enough and smart enough
and constructed well, enough they'll win a playoff. Series BUT
i Think katie works In New york and he's already
been to the. City he liked, it but don't ask
him to. Lead that's not who he. Is it's Like
i've always said this About. Aaron aaron's more talented than
a lot of, guys but he's a unique. Personality jeter
was the foundation of The. Yankees A rod was more.
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Talented that's not a knock on A. Rod that's just
the reality of the personalities with. That Nick wright the
foundation of the first. Things first, absolute you.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Know not the leader Night.
Speaker 10 (21:38):
Listen i'm Like, Durant i'm the most talented, guy But
kevin loves the.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Leader i'll get you some.
Speaker 10 (21:45):
Buckets but when it comes to, planning when it comes
to the direction in the, show That's kate W and
when it comes to making sure we're on, track we
have the contents of the show brew we'd be a
great basketball. Team everyone knows their. Role So i'm Team
kad on. This who says the most talented guy's got.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
To be the.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
Leader maybe he wants to hang out and you, know
play video games or play.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Poker that's, Right, yeah.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
It eats their.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
OWN i just show up and get.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Buckets.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Man good to see, You good to see.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
You SO i.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Said this about The, warriors they become a little bit
the old you, know the adults at the night club
where everybody's, like who smells like Old?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Spice who doesn't fit? Here the NBA's.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Young about me, Again, well the NBA's young and talented
and the Warrant butler's thirty, Five draymond's thirty. Five and it's,
like if they lose To memphis or they lose in
the first, round we gotta be honest, here it's. Over
like you have to make moves on kaminga or or
maybe A. Draymon what if they lose, Tonight, well.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
If they lose, tonight their season's. Over SO i, mean
that's how damaging this week, was because if they lose,
tonight then all the only Thing friday will mean is
did your season end in real disgrace with three straight
losses and getting bound in the play in for the
third time in steps, career or did you get a
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reprieve to now get to face a totally, rested totally
Healthy Oklahoma city team that will run you off the
court In round. One so tonight is their biggest game
of the year because they lost their previous biggest game
of the year On, sunday which was their biggest game
because they blew a game against The spurs In game
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eighty they had no business. Losing but let me say, This.
Colin there's a couple things about The. WARRIORS i want to,
say so if we could spend a little to share on.
It one IS i owe your dear Friend Draymond green
in apology because nine years Ago Draymond green in The
Western Conference, FINALS i, thought AND i, alleged maybe even
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on your, show that he intentionally Kicked Steven adams in
the groin on a layup and it led to a flagrant,
foul which then led to a suspension in the finals
because of flagrant foul. Points and my argument, was no
player in league history has ever just kicked their left
leg at ninety degrees on an open layup unless they're
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trying to do. Something nine years, Later i'm proven wrong
because he did the exact same thing to blow the
layup against The. Clippers that's how they lost the, game
and there was no one to.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Kick So, draymond my bad on.
Speaker 10 (24:20):
That evidently that's just part of your foul baiting and
ended up partially costing him the. Game and the other
THING i want to say about The, warriors who now
you're talking, about is it? Over SO i Think Steph
curry is obviously one of the greatest players of all.
TIME i also think that he's in this goldilock zone
of when he's, amazing we talk about, him and when
he scores three points against The, rockets he doesn't make.
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Shows AND i think is really a nice spot to
be in the. Discourse and he has been kind of
universally put in while he's a top ten all time,
player and again it's in the, margins BUT i have
him at. Twelve AND i the Reason i'm bringing that
up here is something happened at the end Of Clippers
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warriors that has happened To steph a bunch in his,
career and everybody just accepts. It BUT i think it's
the barrier between him and the guys who are in
the top, ten and that is he was taken off
the court by his own head coach because they wanted
to go offense, defense because at the end of a,
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game he is a true defensive. Liability and when you
look at, again not that my list is, gospel but
WHAT i would, say are your twelve greatest players, ever
you will notice eleven and twelve have something in. Common
the top ten. Don't so if you go Lebron, Kareem, Michael, Magic,
Russell Wilt, Duncan kobe byrd a team and then, Eleven,
(25:52):
shack Twelve steph, again that's no. Disrespect you're at A,
Yoga you're at A Doctor, Jay you're at A, Moses
you're at A Jerry. West all those guys And steph
are the only two guys in that old time top
twelve whose own, team in huge spots late in, games
would say we actually want you to sit this.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Possession, Yeah, Shack, yeah it.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
Was because of free throws for step it's because of,
defense AND i do think that has to be part
of the story when we talk about the guys who
are in the goat, conversation who are in the top,
five are in the top ten and so as now
that's say, THIS i think they might lose, tonight in
which case this last week went really really bad for.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Him SO i have pushed.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
BACK i think it was Stephen a that started this
that international PLAYERS i think can't be the face of the.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
LEAGUE i. DISAGREE i said this an hour. Ago connor.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
McGregor THE ufc was never more popular than When connor
McGregor was the. FACE messi is now the face of THE,
mls AND i mean literally breaking gate. RECORDS i would
Argue rory, McElroy who stayed with THE pga did not
go to The Live tour After, sunday is the face of.
GOLF i would Argue ovechkin for the last twenty years
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is the most discussed hockey. Player with A Sydney CROSBY
O tawny comes up the. FREEWAY i five is the
face of. Baseball my take is if The lakers won
a title And lebron, Retired luca now hear me, out
is the face of THE nba If lebron, Retired why
because they'd be a great. Team he'd be A. Laker
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But luca does something that domestic players. Do he trash talks.
Fans he, trash he's. Us he is not the international
player that's polite and. Loyal he drinks beer after. Games
they have to take it from. Him he's yelling at.
FANS i think he is the face of the league
If lebron. Retired to, HIM i think international players can
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be SO.
Speaker 10 (27:50):
I THINK i think international players definitely can be AND
i think That Wim beam might eventually be so overwhelmingly. Great,
yeah if he fulfills his full potential that he will.
Be BUT i agree with you THAT i think it
is it is not really quite been that in my,
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opinion that these guys are international. Players as the, HURDLE
i think the hurdle for face of the, LEAGUE i
don't think it's that. COMPLICATED i think that the biggest
hurdle for everyone is That lebron And steph won't. Retire
Like lebron has been the face of the league for fifteen,
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years a depth definitively for ten arguably probably inarguably since
he went To miami and maybe a little bit before.
That steph over the last seven years has kind of
become the co face of the league Alongside. Lebron no
one is going to supplant those. Guys so that Means
giannis's entire reign of winning MVPs and going to the
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finals happened when he wasn't even eligible for facing the
league Because lebron's. There joker has no interest in. It
it's not because he's. International it's BECAUSE i think basketball
is his second favorite sport to horse. Racing he's just
better at. It so So joker's not. Interested But luca
has the. Attitude luca has the. Swagger luca is. Polarizing
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that's another important. Thing, yes you need people to hate,
You like nobody Hates, giannest nobody Hates. Joki there are
some people that Hate joker Or i'm sorry That, luca
including evidently the guy who runs The, MAVs and so
that is a, mistake and SO i agree with, that
and now getting to The lakers and being in these
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huge playoff, SPOTS i, think.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yes he is good.
Speaker 10 (29:40):
Enough he is has the right, swagger he is polarizing.
Enough there's enough holes to poke in his game.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
To where he's.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
Interesting, yeah there is nothing better that could have possibly
happened for the league than this player coming to this
team in this. Moment and it all happened because of
the lunacy of one general, manager, who by the, Way
Colin jmack might include in The. Newslater Nico harrison just
held an hour ago his first press conference since The luca.
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Trade and you know HOW i know he knows that
maybe that trade was a bad. Decision he held a
press conference with one, rule NO tv cameras or, microphones
old School penn And. Pad i'll talk to you, guys
but you're not getting it on. Video SO i think
he knows this is not going.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
WELL i want to.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Talk about something we infrequently talk. About in, Fact i'm
not sure we ever. Have but it goes back to international.
Players is THAT i think both you AND I i
like progress in. SPORTS i like new, stuff AND i
defended The Live. Tour my takeaway is THE pga was a.
Charity they don't run The, masters they don't run The British,
open they don't run many of the biggest. Events SO
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i was never loyal to THE. PGA i was loyal
to the players and our. Governments you know has business
in The Middle. East why can't our. GOLFERS i never
thought THE pga treated the best golfers with the. Respect
SO i was for the breakup Because.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I'm for the.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Athlete and outside of maybe THE Us open At Pebble
beach and The, MASTERS i don't watch for the.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
COURSE i watched for the.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Players BUT i was Watching rory this week AND i
was thinking to, myself AM i Into rory or The?
Masters and it was, both BUT i Can't the last
TIME i was this invested emotionally engulf was When tiger
Wanted augusta AND i got super, emotional AND i was
sitting there Watching rory And i'm, like, wow LIKE i
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this is a AM i gonna cry? HERE i was
so into, it and it had a Little Michael jordan
feel WHERE i watched him for years get tackled by
The pistons and The. Celtics SO i was part of
his journey AND i felt LIKE i. WAS i FELT
i was, like, dude this is his Seventeenth, Masters he's
gonna what was your INTERN i thought it was the
best five hours of. TELEVISION i had seen him so,
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long were you as emotionally?
Speaker 10 (31:56):
Invested so, yeah so let me let me give you
a little into. Me So, sunday as it, Happened colin
was me and my lovely wife's. Anniversary oh AND i
don't know how you spent your wedding anniversary this, year
BUT i spent mine at a sports book In philadelphia
With Clippers warriors on one screen and The masters on the.
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Other and because she's the greatest Woman i've ever.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Known she.
Speaker 10 (32:20):
Understood i'm, like, listen, HONEY.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
DIDN'T i should have planned out the wedding date better
a decade plus. Ago but it's the Second sunday In,
april which means occasionally it's gonna hit fall on The Masters.
Sunday AND i thought that round of golf was so
perfect to encapsulate his, career which was these moments of
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such brilliance where you're, like is he the best driver
of the golf ball? Ever Including?
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Tiger?
Speaker 10 (32:56):
Like probably, not but maybe with self and lifted. Stumbles
he had two of the worst web Shots i've ever
seen a professional credible, make and they were on the
back nine Of sunday At. Augusta he tried to play thirteen,
safe gave himself eighty to get on the green in
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three and put it in the, Creek and then despite
all of, that had a seven foot putt to win
The masters and missed, That and despite all of, that
came back and won the thing with a as good
of an approach shot as anyone will ever have on
the playoffall at eighteen and for. Again there have been
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six people ever to complete The Career Grand, slam Sarah'zen
hogan Player Nicholas, Woods. Rory since the moon, landing twelve
people have walked The. Moon up Until, sunday one had
completed The Career Grand, Slam Tiger woods and all those
other five colin they completed The Career Grand slam on
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either their, first second or third try. It For rory
to do it on his dozen't attempt to finally break
through and for it not to be smooth, sailing for
him to be, ahead, behind.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Way, ahead tied and then blow it and.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
Then win it, Anyway it's one of the greatest stories
in golf. History and when you then remember that THE
Us open this year and THE pga this year are
on courses he has historically done great at y and
The british is In Northern. Ireland his home coll so
it could be a really special year for a player
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who deserves.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It, FINALLY i said, THIS i think we all know.
This it doesn't matter if it's a, law real, estate.
Landscaping you know there's a top five or six. Percent
AND i, said if you in THE, nfl As i'm
watching the same teams draft at the top of THE nfl,
DRAFT i, said my circle of trust is EIGHT nfl.
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Franchises they're not, perfect they miss on a receiver or
a quarterback draft and they'll. Overpay but OWNER, gm coach
Quarterback Bill's, Ravens, Eagles, Lions, Chiefs, Rams Green, Bay San.
Francisco tier, two they check a lot of. Boxes But
i'm not there. Yet, Denver, Seattle, Chargers. TAMPA i THINK
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i Think tampa for ten years at a good, Roster, Minnesota,
Houston washington could go to The tier, One BUT i
need one more. Year AM i missing anybody?
Speaker 10 (35:33):
Here so it's So i'm not So tier one is exactly.
RIGHT i think that's really well. DONE i, Listen tier.
Two i'm just, curious all, right is there a separate
professional football league where The chargers win big games THAT
i don't have access, To LIKE i don't, know like
(35:55):
HEAR i it seems like everyone in sports media it's
beamed in Different chargers seasons than me for my entire.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Life it's, like, oh this is the.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
Year they're so. Talented you gotta own trustworthy. FRANCHISES i don't, know,
Man i've just watched like THE nfl THAT i. Have
there's even a name for doing something The chargers.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Do it's called.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
Chargering THE nfl THAT i, have we watched them higher
the wrong, coach the wrong. Coach we this time they
got the right. Coach but even he you, know, Hey
Justin Herbert golden Arm Justin herbert only throws three picks all,
year throws four in a playoff, game and they're gonna
now win THE Afc.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
WEST i, mean it's just SO i.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Agree With tier.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
ONE i just need to figure OUT i pay a
lot For sunday. TICKET i need that extra tier that
gets the second version of These charger games that everyone
else has BECAUSE i don't have it the.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
REST i, like all, RIGHT i JUST i knew that
was gonna be the soft spot that you.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
ATTACKED i had.
Speaker 10 (36:56):
A, feeling, yeah well, exactly you left your blank unguarded my.
FRIEND i.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Apologize first things, first my Buddy nick, right great stuff
As oh was? It, yeah it's WELL i like the
coach and the quarterback a, Lot so there you. Go
the now that That rory. Stuff was it JUST i
don't you, know it's it's there's been these. Gulfs So
I'm I'M i Got Jack, nicholas BUT i GOT i
feel LIKE i didn't know. GOLF i grew up in
a small. Town we didn't have a golf, course SO
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i really wasn't a. GOLFER i Knew jack's. Story i've watched.
DOCUMENTARIES i Knew Arnold, Palmer Gary, Player Tom, kite.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You, KNOW i knew the.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Guys BUT i do feel, like to a large, degree Like.
Tiger not that he introduced me to, golf BUT i
became a big golf. FAN i had finally had a little.
MONEY i could go golfing on nice. Courses blah blah.
Blah so it Was, tiger it Was phil and then
it's all of a sudden It's brooks and it's and
for years and YEARS i was, Told, oh this.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Guy's going to Be, tiger this guy's going to Be.
Tiger this guy's going to Be, Tiger AND i always,
laughed there is no Other. Tiger he's a, Comet he's
one of.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
One But rory's almost kind of felt Like Europe's. Tiger
the difference Is tiger's, better But tiger was almost. Robotic
if he had a, lead he never lost, it like
he was just known for. Years tiger leads by four,
strokes he'll win it by six or. More AND i
think there's part of what Makes rory so attractive as
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a television watch is, that Like Phil, mickelson he can
shoot his way out of a. LEE i, mean this
guy had a four stroke Lead sunday and it just disappeared,
instantly And.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I'm, like, oh, no.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
No and part of what makes sports ON tv great
is you don't know the. Outcome even when they went
to the playoff, Hole i'm, like, No Justin rose going,
In this is no.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Way eighteen just is no. Way it's not gonna.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
WORK i was almost hoping BECAUSE i was watching it
as A i was on a. PLANE i watched every
stroke on a. Plane literally the plane took, off first,
shot plane, landed last shot of the, playoff AND i was,
thinking maybe it's better if my streaming device just goes
out AND i don't see. It i'm gonna be so
nothing Against Justin. ROSE i was gonna be so, bitter
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but it JUST i thought it was as good as sports.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
GETS i, Mean.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I've had a Few Super BOWLS i felt that way
WHERE i was, watching And i've had The World cup,
matches The World Cup, FINAL i felt LIKE i was
watching some of the greatest television in the history of my.
Life i've seen a couple of fights live WHERE i
felt that that was as good as sports. Gets it
was just so dramatic and so gripping and so. Tense
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and to Watch rory McElroy go to his knees and
just a waterfall of, emotion just crying in front of.
Everybody and you, know athletes often, say you, know if
you would have, lost he would have, said, hey, listen it.
Hurts but an athlete doesn't want to just say out, there, yeah,
LIKE i gotta be honest with, YOU i don't sleep
for weeks after, This but his reaction tells you he
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wouldn't have slept for weeks after. That and for him
to be that vulnerable and JUST i, mean just go
to his knees and. Cry it was, like, wow this
is that is one of the moment if you have
ten pictures of, sports if you had landed on a
spaceship down here and you're saying The martians come in
and go what is? Sports and we Got we're gonna
give you ten pictures of what sports. Is and one
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of them is Maybe Tom brady's first one when he's
looking around In wonderman after his First Super bowl like
what in the hell just. Happened one of It's Michael
jordan maybe switching hands in mid.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Air Another's ali beating Liston Sonny.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Listen but ten pictures him hitting that putt and dropping
to his knees is like, wow that is an all
time gripping emotional moment and we were all there to see. It.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
Yeah he said something earlier too that hit me that
you can't wait for The. BRITISH i wonder where you
have felt that? Way, yeh Bro, okay, NO i love
The british so, no BUT i mean because McElroy wins
now The.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
British.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
No i've thought about it for two. Days my three
favorite golf tournaments two or. Annual one is The, masters
the other is The british regardless of where it's. PLAYED
i love THE Us, open BUT i really love it At.
Pebble it's like a. PAINTING i mean nothing Against pinehursh
or anywhere, else but when it's At, pebble it just
feels it's such a unique part of our global golf,
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landscape right on the, coast the, rocks the, water so
much great history. There but to get that At augusta
it took some. LINE i was texting somebody yesterday in
THE nfl AND i said. THIS i, said WHEN i
watched The Michael jordan, documentary And i've told my kids,
THIS i, Said michael was the best looking.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Player the best. Player he Had David stern And nike behind.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Him and it was just a. Struggle he could never
win a playoff series Without Scotty. Pippen he had the best,
coach he Had Scotty, pippen and it was still hard
and goodwill. Hunting Matt damon And Ben affleck are these
two kids From. Boston they tried to make. That they
tried to get that over a decade of movie. Studios
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not good enough. Passing everybody looks At Matt damon And Ben.
Affleck oh just walked out To. Hollywood they were. Stars
fifteen years of grinding In hollywood to get goodwill hunting
made And rory McElroy In He is A He is
The tiger Of europe his SEVENTEENTH augusta and it almost didn't.
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Happen AND i tell my kids this all the. TIME
i don't care when you went to. COLLEGE i don't
care about your. Resume the number one quality of success
in the.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
World are you? Relentless are you literally you're gonna step in.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It you're gonna be, Denied you're gonna be, mocked people
will be, mean it will be.
Speaker 7 (42:37):
Hard are you?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Relentless can you how do you react to? Failure BECAUSE
mj failed And ronaldo's, failed And messy failed a, lot
And Matt damon And Ben affleck got turned. Out you,
know Remember American, idol you know the popular. Show you,
Know American idol was passed on by Every american. Network
fox eventually came. Back it Was it's a fifteen year
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hit or whatever it. Was initially people weren't willing to
take a. Risk now it's not gonna work here in The.
States it was huge In, britain it's not gonna work.
Here success is. Hard and success at the highest, levels
even if you're a, prodigy is so incredibly. Difficult the
thing that burrows through is it when you went to
college or your agent or your. Connections are you? Relentless
(43:26):
you just never give. Up
Oh, here we go a lot to talk about NBA
playing game start tonight in Los Angeles. It's the herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Jordan Schultz
is here. J Mack is going to be joining us
here next week. He's on VAK right now. We love
that for him.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I just got off VAK, so I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
There's a story that cam Ward is one of the
seventeen players who's going to get invited to the draft,
and Jordan, this is interesting. Every industry you noticed this,
every industry. It could be real estate, it could be
NFL teams, it doesn't matter. It could be landscaping. There's
like one or two in your hometown. You trust right,
(00:45):
it's Uber, it's Lyft. If a third company came in,
probably wouldn't have the impact.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Very few elite anything.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's why when you watch the draft once again this year,
it's the same teams Cleveland, the Jets, the Raiders, the Giants,
the Panthers, the Browns, the Titans, the Jaguars. It's always
the same teams drafting at the top of the draft.
In fact, if you look in my opinion. They're eight
teams that I consider sort of my circle of trust
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owner GM, coach and quarterback. Only eight in the entire league,
a quarter of the NFL. Baltimore, Kansas City, Green Bay Rams,
Philly Niners, Detroit Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
They're not perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Sometimes they overpay, they miss on draft picks. Eventually some
have had to fire coaches. But that's my circle of
trust owner GM, coach, quarterback mostly a's. Then there's a
second group of teams that check a lot of boxes.
But there's something I don't love. Denver Seahawks, Chargers, Tampa Vikings,
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Houston and the Commanders. I think the Commanders could get
to that Tier one by the end of next year.
But that's fifteen total teams. That is less than half
of the NFL. I've said this multiple times in the
last year. NFL is becoming a little bit like the NBA.
Very few at the top, small middle, large bottom. And
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that's because in the NFL, quarterback is so essential now
that if you don't have one, you're a half.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Not well, what about the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
They've won three playoff games in thirteen years over backup
level quarterbacks. Never an elite quarterback in thirteen years, they've
won a playoff game, not one against the great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
What about Indy?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I like the GM, I like the coach, quarterback, owner,
you can have them. What about Cincinnati, that's all about
Joe Burrow. Take him out. Bad franchise. So New England,
let's take a deep breath on Mike Frable. I think
it'll work. But they've been bad for several years. So
when you look at cam Ward, cam Ward is the
one player in the draft that can get Tennessee at
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least by the end of this year. Because Will Levis
was so bad, he could get them into the Tier
two group. He could do what seed Day Stroud did
to Houston. So to me, he's a playmaker. It's a
weak division. He's got an offensive coach. I look at
cam Ward as the one guy in this draft of
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the seventeen invited. He's the one guy that can change
a have not to a half. Abdull Carter is an
excellent player, but do we really believe if he went
to Cleveland with their quarterback mess, they're suddenly a Tier one,
Tier two team. Earlier this week or last week on
this show from the Athletic, Dane Brugler talked about it's
not about landing Mahomes, it's just about getting in one
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of those top couple of tiers in the league.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
When we were talking about quarterbacks in the NFL draft,
it's almost like you're making a bet, right, I mean,
you're making a bet that this guy can be a
top fifteen quarterback in the NFL. And I think for
most teams they see cam Ward as a guy that
can be maybe a top twelve, top fourteen quarterback. Is
that's what you're looking for. The goal shouldn't be defined
the next Patrick Mahomes. The goal should be, hey, let's
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find a guy is going to help us compete, and
let it help us get to the playoffs. Because once
you get into the playoffs, anything as possible.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And so as I look at this draft, and I
look at this league as a whole, there's only one
way to go from chaos to a top tier group quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Even a coach is limited. It's the quarterback. That's what
Houston did nothing against Demiko Ryans.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
It's CJ.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And to go from Will Levis to cam Ward feels
like you could make a seven. I mean, look at
what Josh Allen did to Buffalo what Burrow did the Cincinnati.
So there's only one way to do it. You got
to hit on the quarterback, and I think Tennessee will.
So this has been a topic on another network, on
a very popular show, one of their hosts, Popular Guys, said, hey,
international guy can't.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Be the face of the NBA. And I thought a
lot about that, but.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This morning it really hit me as Luca Dantag, former
Maverick from Overseas now a Laker is the top selling
NBA jersey. Stephen Lebron are right behind him. You know,
I don't buy that debate because I think borders, at
least in sports are getting erased. Everything is global now
and I want you to think about this. Sho Hey
Otani does not speak English.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
He's a face of baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
The UFC surged past boxing and it was never more
popular than when irishman Connor McGregor was the face of
the sport MLS, their most popular player and their biggest straw.
Today MESSI and over the weekend Northern Ireland's Rory McElroy
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became the face of golf. Now you could argue it's
Brooks Koepka, it's Bryce and De Shamba, but other players,
including Phil Nicholson, chose to go to the live tour.
That was polarizing, not to me but to a lot
of people. But Tiger and Rory remained with the PGA
and because of that, and coupled with the Masters, winned
Augusta and he'll be the favorite at the British Open
(06:00):
played in Northern Ireland. I think it's fair to say
that Rory McElroy is the face of golf. Oh. By
the way, Alexander Olvetskin had certainly an argument over the
last twenty years with like a Sydney Crosby. He was
the face of the NHL, certainly recently the most talked about.
So all these sort of arbitrary borders, I think it
are raced in sports. And I think Luka Dantac is
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a very very unique player. One of the things America
really likes more than anything were the country of winners.
We keep track and Luca with the Lakers if Steph
and Lebron retire tomorrow. He's a trash talking international player. Okay,
(06:46):
that wasn't what international players used to be. Luca is
much more like us than any international player. He trash talks, fans.
He trash talks refs. That's what quote our players do.
Most international players would come over. They were very polite,
overly loyal, worked hard, much like Wemby tried to basically
(07:10):
disappear when they weren't at the arena. But Luca coming
to Los Angeles is a bigger star. He is a
trash talker, He's a scoring wizard. The beer after the
game they pulled out of his hands. He was part
of a controversial trade. Now he's at the NBA's biggest brand.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
He's US. He gets along with Lebron, he gets along
with Austin Reeves. He's US. So I don't buy into this.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Rory can't be the face of golf or show Hey
or Messy or Connor McGregor. The bottom line is America
loves winners. That's what we're into. I say, Michael Jordan,
you think six for six, Lebron's got all the records, Michael,
six for six, Tom Brady all the trophies? Is Tom
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the most talented? Can Tom do what Josh Allen, Lamar,
Patrick Mahomes can do? No, Tom's the ultimate winner. And
if Luca, yes, if the Lakers and I think they
have to be a favorite or a cold favorite to
get the NBA finals. If they win a championship, Luca
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will have played very well, and I think more than
Jason Tatum, who, by the way, this morning I looked
it up. Jason Tatum is the tenth most watched player
on YouTube highlights, tenth with the best team. He didn't
have the aura, he didn't have the personality. He's not
a trash talker. Guy over my shoulder right there on
FS one. Luca is so international guys have assimilated, they
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become more westernized. I said this a couple of years
ago with Giannis, when Yannis said basically, get me a
good player or trade me, that was a very domestic move.
That's what our stars do. That's what Lebron does, That's
what the Lake Kobe Bryant did. I'm going to Chicago.
If you don't get me somebody they got on Paalgasol.
Jannis is basically, get be a better player. I'm adam Milwaukee.
That's not what international players did my entire life watching
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this league. That's what they do now now They breight
fans and trash talk refts and are polarizing. Nothing says
America more than that. All Luca needs is a trophy,
because that's all sho hey Otani needed a trophy to
be the face of baseball. All right, we're a very
connected world in twenty twenty five that you know, listen
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our our government may have it out for Canada, but
when Steve Nash was win an MVP s Steve Nash
was us, nobody really cared. We got a lot of
stuff going on. You know, the Warriors play tonight, and
if the Warriors playing Memphis don't win tonight, Jordan Schultz,
what do we make of them? Because they feel a
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little bit like the old couple at the night club it.
I mean, if you really look at them, Okase is young,
Minnesota can be youngish, Cleveland's young. In the East, so
there's a lot of youth. I mean, the Celtics are
not young, and the Lakers are not young.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
But a lot of the West.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Is these impro like Utah is going to get real good,
real fast.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It's a lot of youth.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And then there's the old Warriors where Draymond's their youngest
starred I think he's thirty five. So like if the
Warriors lost tonight, and I don't think it's going to happen.
They were seven and a half point favorite. I think
it's going to be close, but I'll take the Warriors
to win. But if they lost tonight, they're locked into
Butler and Steph and Draymon?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Is it like the end?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Not getting younger.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
The key point you made yesterday, Colin was that for
all the great players they've drafted, Draymond, Clay, Steph Looney,
a lot of these newer players that have come in,
Kuminga Moody, they just haven't fit in. So Kuminga first
half of the season was fantastic, second half of the
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season minutes down three point percentage, mid twenties, not being
as productive.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Can you trust that guy? Can you trust this movie?
Speaker 6 (11:00):
When it really matters in the playoffs, We're going to
find out a lot tonight.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Even if they win and move on, we will.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Find out a lot tonight about where Steve Kerr is
at in terms of the younger players on that roster.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Most importantly Kaminga.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
By the way, an NFL team being very clever pretending
they really like a quarterback, and my take is they
really don't. Plus, I said something yesterday that got people
worked up. I had two former NFL coaches text me
last night to tell me I'm wrong. I'll tell you
what that is coming up next.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
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Speaker 2 (11:39):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yesterday I touched a nerve because I talked about the
six quarterbacks that I think are going to be draft
of the highest. And you know, I said, Cam is
the best playmaker, Shador needs the right fit, but I
like a lot about him. Kyle McCord at Syracuse, to me,
is probably the sleeper in the entire draft. But it
was interesting because I said Jackson dark to me is
Thatack Wilson and Zach Wilson flamed out in the NFL
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very quickly in New York. So I got a lot
of pushback from people and said, oh, give me a break. Okay,
there's a lot of rea. I did a little bit
of homework on this. Both are six to two, Both
went to the same powerhouse high school football program in Utah,
so they're both about the same size. They're both good looking,
kind of cocky, very confident guys who have really good arms.
But when they played in college elite competition, when the
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game sped up, when they faced better coaching, it wasn't good.
Zach Wilson in his career against the Huskies of Washington
and the Utes of Utah was zero and three, three touchdowns,
four picks. Jackson Dart against Baman and Georgia was one
for three, one in three, excuse me.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And his only win.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
He completed thirteen percent of his passes and completed well
under sixty percent.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And it's even I hear this.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I had two people pushed back to me, Hey, Jackson
Dart has got it.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
The two things be very careful about because it's a
weak college quarterback draft class, so people are.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Going to reach.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's like Kenny Pickett. That was a terrible quarterback draft class.
People reached on Kenny Pickett. The Steelers reached. He was
not a first round quarterback. I had an NFL general
manager with multiple Super Bowl rings tell me they graded
him as a mid third round pick.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Steelers reached.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It was a bad quarterback draft class, probably the worst
in the last decade or more.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
This is really bad. It's not as bad.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
There is a second round quarterback Kyle McCord, Syracuse, who
I think could end up being a franchise quarterback if
he gets the right landing spot. He's not great enough
or transformational enough to overcome a bad coach or a
bad old line or a bad owner. I think cam
Ward could even Shador Sanders, who could go number two
or three in the draft. I think it's where he
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lands the coach, the players, the roster of the GM,
the owner. So just be very careful when you hear
two things. Oh, this quarterback's a winner. What does that mean?
Every quarterback ever at Bama, George o'hiles winners. That doesn't
mean anything. Will Howard won a bunch of games. He's
not as good as cam Ward. He wasn't as good
when cam Ward was at Washington State, and they don't
win that much. The second thing is, well, he's got it.
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That's what they said about Josh Allen. Josh Allen six
five and a half two fifty five and jumps over linebackers.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's not it. That's traits.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So here's the other thing though, if you look in
the Athletic, this is the draft profile of the Athletic,
it says about Jackson Dart. A three year starter at
Old Miss, he thrived in offensive coordinator Charlie Weiss junior
spread RPO heavy play action scheme. Here's Zach Wilson in
the Athletic his draft profile. A three year starter at BYU,
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he was productive in a former offensive coordinator Jeff Grimes
RPO based heavy play action scheme six' two same high,
school power ass, program surrounded by better players go to.
College both dominated weaker. Competition when they faced the best college,
teams it dried up, really really. Fast and Again Dan
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brugler on earlier last week and on our show On Jackson,
dart AND i watched them in. COLLEGE i never saw,
him AND i felt this About Zach. WILSON i never
saw him as a first round.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
QUARTERBACK i came away more impressed With Lane kiffin and
the way he sets up his offense and calls the
plays THAN i did with the. Quarterback and that's not
really a knock On Jackson. Dart it's just it's such
a scheme or quarterback friendly, scheme that it really makes
things easy for. Him fifty three percent of his snaps
were play, action a lot of, screens a lot of
one read, okay it's not, There. Boom i'm gonna take
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off and use my legs and get six. Yards and
you know. What that works at the college.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Level it does not work in THE nfl level unless
You're Lamar. Jackson so it's it's. Listen in good quarterback draft,
classes the first five quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Taken one's a star to work and.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Rebust so this is a week class where you may
have one guy who starts and a lot of. Misses
and that's kind of my Guest jalen milrolls too. Mechanical
Jackson dart to me Is Zach Wilson Shador sanders absolutely
needs the right landing. SPOT i don't buy the kid From,
louisville WHO i swear is forty four years.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
OLD i don't buy. It SO i think we're gonna
get a lot of.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
REACHES i Think Jackson dart's gonna be a reach for
Like pittsburgh at twenty. One and my, Take i'm gonna
put it out. THERE i don't think it's gonna work
at a high.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
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Two it's the herd wherever you may be and however
you may be. Listening thanks for making us part of your.
Day Jordan schulten for J, Mac Joe clatten hour from,
Now Nick wright in five. Minutes SO i was thinking about.
THIS i got a lot to talk about With nick right.
HERE i was thinking about. This so The suns fired
their coach during our show. Yesterday Mike budenholzer never thought
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it was a great. Fit got run In, milwaukee out Running.
Phoenix he And katie had. Issues he And Bradley beal had.
Issues weirdly, constructed they rolled the. DICE i appreciate the
swing By Matt, eshbia but in the end it.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Just didn't, work especially The beal.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Part didn't work at. All but it goes to show
you a lot About Kevin. Durant so THE nba and
pro sports is a lot more than just. TALENT i
see this all the. TIME i talk to nflgms about
this all the. Time some kids don't love. Football some
kids it takes them a long time to fit in
to the. Group they don't want to work hard. Enough
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the playbook's harder than they. Thought So katie's one of
the more talented players in the. Game he Is wemby Before,
wemby a seven foot of the can handible, ball unbelievable,
talent but Like Aaron, rodgers he's kind of a creative
and he's a. Wanderer And Steph curry And Tom, brady
in my, opinion have far less, talent but they, sacrifice
they get along with. Others they're totally, committed their laser
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focused and now K d since leaving The, warriors seven
coaches fired two playoff series, wins AND i, THINK i
mean over the last fifteen, Years i'd make an argument
second most talented player To Lebron. James But Lebron james
always made much better, decisions much more business savvy, about you,
know very, calculated always a step ahead of the.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Process kadie just wants the. Ball AND i, mean.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Look at he could still. Play he was excellent In
phoenix fifty three percent twenty six a, game forty three
percent from, three but seven fired. Coaches he's become now
a really talented bounce around the league. Guy he doesn't.
Care Rick buker talked about. This you can bring him,
in but don't ask him to lead the franchise even
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in his.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Prime just that's not who he.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
Is his committed lack of relate leadership's. COMMITTED i just
want to hoop and you. Play you take a player
of that talent and bring him into your, team it
just it screws up the. Dynamic AND i love this
dynamic of The, rockets and, YES i do think they
need to upgrade. There BUT i wouldn't sacrifice that for
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a roll of.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The dice on A Kevin.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Durant, YEAH i would if he goes To New, york
which HAS i think a very strong leader In Jalen
brunson who feels like a glue, guy not as talented
as A, carmelo but feels much more like a, giving,
committed focused elevator of. Others SO I Jalen brunson to,
ME i don't think you always have to be a
superstar to be a great leader of a. TEAM i
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Think Jalen brunson's a great quarterback now In Kansas, city
the quarterback's the best.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Player but there are, TIMES i.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
MEAN i, mean you could you could Argue gronk was
more gifted Than, brady and there were there were other.
Players Randy moss, was But tom was, committed focused elevated.
Others Jalen brunson's great for The. Knicks katie's not a.
Leader he's a shot. Maker AND i think you're going
to see very quickly in the playoffs and The knicks
need another shot. Maker they're gonna get worked on the
pick and roll by The calves or The. Celtics if
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they play, them and they're good enough and smart enough
and constructed well, enough they'll win a playoff. Series BUT
i Think katie works In New york and he's already
been to the. City he liked, it but don't ask
him to. Lead that's not who he. Is it's Like
i've always said this About. Aaron aaron's more talented than
a lot of, guys but he's a unique. Personality jeter
was the foundation of The. Yankees A rod was more.
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Talented that's not a knock on A. Rod that's just
the reality of the personalities with. That Nick wright the
foundation of the first. Things first, absolute you.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Know not the leader Night.
Speaker 10 (21:38):
Listen i'm Like, Durant i'm the most talented, guy But
kevin loves the.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Leader i'll get you some.
Speaker 10 (21:45):
Buckets but when it comes to, planning when it comes
to the direction in the, show That's kate W and
when it comes to making sure we're on, track we
have the contents of the show brew we'd be a
great basketball. Team everyone knows their. Role So i'm Team
kad on. This who says the most talented guy's got.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
To be the.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
Leader maybe he wants to hang out and you, know
play video games or play.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Poker that's, Right, yeah.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
It eats their.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
OWN i just show up and get.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Buckets.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Man good to see, You good to see.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
You SO i.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Said this about The, warriors they become a little bit
the old you, know the adults at the night club
where everybody's, like who smells like Old?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Spice who doesn't fit? Here the NBA's.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Young about me, Again, well the NBA's young and talented
and the Warrant butler's thirty, Five draymond's thirty. Five and it's,
like if they lose To memphis or they lose in
the first, round we gotta be honest, here it's. Over
like you have to make moves on kaminga or or
maybe A. Draymon what if they lose, Tonight, well.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
If they lose, tonight their season's. Over SO i, mean
that's how damaging this week, was because if they lose,
tonight then all the only Thing friday will mean is
did your season end in real disgrace with three straight
losses and getting bound in the play in for the
third time in steps, career or did you get a
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reprieve to now get to face a totally, rested totally
Healthy Oklahoma city team that will run you off the
court In round. One so tonight is their biggest game
of the year because they lost their previous biggest game
of the year On, sunday which was their biggest game
because they blew a game against The spurs In game
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eighty they had no business. Losing but let me say, This.
Colin there's a couple things about The. WARRIORS i want to,
say so if we could spend a little to share on.
It one IS i owe your dear Friend Draymond green
in apology because nine years Ago Draymond green in The
Western Conference, FINALS i, thought AND i, alleged maybe even
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on your, show that he intentionally Kicked Steven adams in
the groin on a layup and it led to a flagrant,
foul which then led to a suspension in the finals
because of flagrant foul. Points and my argument, was no
player in league history has ever just kicked their left
leg at ninety degrees on an open layup unless they're
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trying to do. Something nine years, Later i'm proven wrong
because he did the exact same thing to blow the
layup against The. Clippers that's how they lost the, game
and there was no one to.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Kick So, draymond my bad on.
Speaker 10 (24:20):
That evidently that's just part of your foul baiting and
ended up partially costing him the. Game and the other
THING i want to say about The, warriors who now
you're talking, about is it? Over SO i Think Steph
curry is obviously one of the greatest players of all.
TIME i also think that he's in this goldilock zone
of when he's, amazing we talk about, him and when
he scores three points against The, rockets he doesn't make.
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Shows AND i think is really a nice spot to
be in the. Discourse and he has been kind of
universally put in while he's a top ten all time,
player and again it's in the, margins BUT i have
him at. Twelve AND i the Reason i'm bringing that
up here is something happened at the end Of Clippers
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warriors that has happened To steph a bunch in his,
career and everybody just accepts. It BUT i think it's
the barrier between him and the guys who are in
the top, ten and that is he was taken off
the court by his own head coach because they wanted
to go offense, defense because at the end of a,
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game he is a true defensive. Liability and when you
look at, again not that my list is, gospel but
WHAT i would, say are your twelve greatest players, ever
you will notice eleven and twelve have something in. Common
the top ten. Don't so if you go Lebron, Kareem, Michael, Magic,
Russell Wilt, Duncan kobe byrd a team and then, Eleven,
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shack Twelve steph, again that's no. Disrespect you're at A,
Yoga you're at A Doctor, Jay you're at A, Moses
you're at A Jerry. West all those guys And steph
are the only two guys in that old time top
twelve whose own, team in huge spots late in, games
would say we actually want you to sit this.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Possession, Yeah, Shack, yeah it.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
Was because of free throws for step it's because of,
defense AND i do think that has to be part
of the story when we talk about the guys who
are in the goat, conversation who are in the top,
five are in the top ten and so as now
that's say, THIS i think they might lose, tonight in
which case this last week went really really bad for.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Him SO i have pushed.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
BACK i think it was Stephen a that started this
that international PLAYERS i think can't be the face of the.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
LEAGUE i. DISAGREE i said this an hour. Ago connor.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
McGregor THE ufc was never more popular than When connor
McGregor was the. FACE messi is now the face of THE,
mls AND i mean literally breaking gate. RECORDS i would
Argue rory, McElroy who stayed with THE pga did not
go to The Live tour After, sunday is the face of.
GOLF i would Argue ovechkin for the last twenty years
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is the most discussed hockey. Player with A Sydney CROSBY
O tawny comes up the. FREEWAY i five is the
face of. Baseball my take is if The lakers won
a title And lebron, Retired luca now hear me, out
is the face of THE nba If lebron, Retired why
because they'd be a great. Team he'd be A. Laker
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But luca does something that domestic players. Do he trash talks.
Fans he, trash he's. Us he is not the international
player that's polite and. Loyal he drinks beer after. Games
they have to take it from. Him he's yelling at.
FANS i think he is the face of the league
If lebron. Retired to, HIM i think international players can
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be SO.
Speaker 10 (27:50):
I THINK i think international players definitely can be AND
i think That Wim beam might eventually be so overwhelmingly. Great,
yeah if he fulfills his full potential that he will.
Be BUT i agree with you THAT i think it
is it is not really quite been that in my,
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opinion that these guys are international. Players as the, HURDLE
i think the hurdle for face of the, LEAGUE i
don't think it's that. COMPLICATED i think that the biggest
hurdle for everyone is That lebron And steph won't. Retire
Like lebron has been the face of the league for fifteen,
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years a depth definitively for ten arguably probably inarguably since
he went To miami and maybe a little bit before.
That steph over the last seven years has kind of
become the co face of the league Alongside. Lebron no
one is going to supplant those. Guys so that Means
giannis's entire reign of winning MVPs and going to the
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finals happened when he wasn't even eligible for facing the
league Because lebron's. There joker has no interest in. It
it's not because he's. International it's BECAUSE i think basketball
is his second favorite sport to horse. Racing he's just
better at. It so So joker's not. Interested But luca
has the. Attitude luca has the. Swagger luca is. Polarizing
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that's another important. Thing, yes you need people to hate,
You like nobody Hates, giannest nobody Hates. Joki there are
some people that Hate joker Or i'm sorry That, luca
including evidently the guy who runs The, MAVs and so
that is a, mistake and SO i agree with, that
and now getting to The lakers and being in these
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huge playoff, SPOTS i, think.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yes he is good.
Speaker 10 (29:40):
Enough he is has the right, swagger he is polarizing.
Enough there's enough holes to poke in his game.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
To where he's.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
Interesting, yeah there is nothing better that could have possibly
happened for the league than this player coming to this
team in this. Moment and it all happened because of
the lunacy of one general, manager, who by the, Way
Colin jmack might include in The. Newslater Nico harrison just
held an hour ago his first press conference since The luca.
(30:12):
Trade and you know HOW i know he knows that
maybe that trade was a bad. Decision he held a
press conference with one, rule NO tv cameras or, microphones
old School penn And. Pad i'll talk to you, guys
but you're not getting it on. Video SO i think
he knows this is not going.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
WELL i want to.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Talk about something we infrequently talk. About in, Fact i'm
not sure we ever. Have but it goes back to international.
Players is THAT i think both you AND I i
like progress in. SPORTS i like new, stuff AND i
defended The Live. Tour my takeaway is THE pga was a.
Charity they don't run The, masters they don't run The British,
open they don't run many of the biggest. Events SO
(30:50):
i was never loyal to THE. PGA i was loyal
to the players and our. Governments you know has business
in The Middle. East why can't our. GOLFERS i never
thought THE pga treated the best golfers with the. Respect
SO i was for the breakup Because.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I'm for the.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Athlete and outside of maybe THE Us open At Pebble
beach and The, MASTERS i don't watch for the.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
COURSE i watched for the.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Players BUT i was Watching rory this week AND i
was thinking to, myself AM i Into rory or The?
Masters and it was, both BUT i Can't the last
TIME i was this invested emotionally engulf was When tiger
Wanted augusta AND i got super, emotional AND i was
sitting there Watching rory And i'm, like, wow LIKE i
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this is a AM i gonna cry? HERE i was
so into, it and it had a Little Michael jordan
feel WHERE i watched him for years get tackled by
The pistons and The. Celtics SO i was part of
his journey AND i felt LIKE i. WAS i FELT
i was, like, dude this is his Seventeenth, Masters he's
gonna what was your INTERN i thought it was the
best five hours of. TELEVISION i had seen him so,
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long were you as emotionally?
Speaker 10 (31:56):
Invested so, yeah so let me let me give you
a little into. Me So, sunday as it, Happened colin
was me and my lovely wife's. Anniversary oh AND i
don't know how you spent your wedding anniversary this, year
BUT i spent mine at a sports book In philadelphia
With Clippers warriors on one screen and The masters on the.
(32:17):
Other and because she's the greatest Woman i've ever.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Known she.
Speaker 10 (32:20):
Understood i'm, like, listen, HONEY.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
DIDN'T i should have planned out the wedding date better
a decade plus. Ago but it's the Second sunday In,
april which means occasionally it's gonna hit fall on The Masters.
Sunday AND i thought that round of golf was so
perfect to encapsulate his, career which was these moments of
(32:49):
such brilliance where you're, like is he the best driver
of the golf ball? Ever Including?
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Tiger?
Speaker 10 (32:56):
Like probably, not but maybe with self and lifted. Stumbles
he had two of the worst web Shots i've ever
seen a professional credible, make and they were on the
back nine Of sunday At. Augusta he tried to play thirteen,
safe gave himself eighty to get on the green in
(33:17):
three and put it in the, Creek and then despite
all of, that had a seven foot putt to win
The masters and missed, That and despite all of, that
came back and won the thing with a as good
of an approach shot as anyone will ever have on
the playoffall at eighteen and for. Again there have been
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six people ever to complete The Career Grand, slam Sarah'zen
hogan Player Nicholas, Woods. Rory since the moon, landing twelve
people have walked The. Moon up Until, sunday one had
completed The Career Grand, Slam Tiger woods and all those
other five colin they completed The Career Grand slam on
(34:03):
either their, first second or third try. It For rory
to do it on his dozen't attempt to finally break
through and for it not to be smooth, sailing for
him to be, ahead, behind.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Way, ahead tied and then blow it and.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
Then win it, Anyway it's one of the greatest stories
in golf. History and when you then remember that THE
Us open this year and THE pga this year are
on courses he has historically done great at y and
The british is In Northern. Ireland his home coll so
it could be a really special year for a player
(34:43):
who deserves.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It, FINALLY i said, THIS i think we all know.
This it doesn't matter if it's a, law real, estate.
Landscaping you know there's a top five or six. Percent
AND i, said if you in THE, nfl As i'm
watching the same teams draft at the top of THE nfl,
DRAFT i, said my circle of trust is EIGHT nfl.
(35:04):
Franchises they're not, perfect they miss on a receiver or
a quarterback draft and they'll. Overpay but OWNER, gm coach
Quarterback Bill's, Ravens, Eagles, Lions, Chiefs, Rams Green, Bay San.
Francisco tier, two they check a lot of. Boxes But
i'm not there. Yet, Denver, Seattle, Chargers. TAMPA i THINK
(35:24):
i Think tampa for ten years at a good, Roster, Minnesota,
Houston washington could go to The tier, One BUT i
need one more. Year AM i missing anybody?
Speaker 10 (35:33):
Here so it's So i'm not So tier one is exactly.
RIGHT i think that's really well. DONE i, Listen tier.
Two i'm just, curious all, right is there a separate
professional football league where The chargers win big games THAT
i don't have access, To LIKE i don't, know like
(35:55):
HEAR i it seems like everyone in sports media it's
beamed in Different chargers seasons than me for my entire.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Life it's, like, oh this is the.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
Year they're so. Talented you gotta own trustworthy. FRANCHISES i don't, know,
Man i've just watched like THE nfl THAT i. Have
there's even a name for doing something The chargers.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Do it's called.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
Chargering THE nfl THAT i, have we watched them higher
the wrong, coach the wrong. Coach we this time they
got the right. Coach but even he you, know, Hey
Justin Herbert golden Arm Justin herbert only throws three picks all,
year throws four in a playoff, game and they're gonna
now win THE Afc.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
WEST i, mean it's just SO i.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Agree With tier.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
ONE i just need to figure OUT i pay a
lot For sunday. TICKET i need that extra tier that
gets the second version of These charger games that everyone
else has BECAUSE i don't have it the.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
REST i, like all, RIGHT i JUST i knew that
was gonna be the soft spot that you.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
ATTACKED i had.
Speaker 10 (36:56):
A, feeling, yeah well, exactly you left your blank unguarded my.
FRIEND i.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Apologize first things, first my Buddy nick, right great stuff
As oh was? It, yeah it's WELL i like the
coach and the quarterback a, Lot so there you. Go
the now that That rory. Stuff was it JUST i
don't you, know it's it's there's been these. Gulfs So
I'm I'M i Got Jack, nicholas BUT i GOT i
feel LIKE i didn't know. GOLF i grew up in
a small. Town we didn't have a golf, course SO
(37:21):
i really wasn't a. GOLFER i Knew jack's. Story i've watched.
DOCUMENTARIES i Knew Arnold, Palmer Gary, Player Tom, kite.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You, KNOW i knew the.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Guys BUT i do feel, like to a large, degree Like.
Tiger not that he introduced me to, golf BUT i
became a big golf. FAN i had finally had a little.
MONEY i could go golfing on nice. Courses blah blah.
Blah so it Was, tiger it Was phil and then
it's all of a sudden It's brooks and it's and
for years and YEARS i was, Told, oh this.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Guy's going to Be, tiger this guy's going to Be.
Tiger this guy's going to Be, Tiger AND i always,
laughed there is no Other. Tiger he's a, Comet he's
one of.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
One But rory's almost kind of felt Like Europe's. Tiger
the difference Is tiger's, better But tiger was almost. Robotic
if he had a, lead he never lost, it like
he was just known for. Years tiger leads by four,
strokes he'll win it by six or. More AND i
think there's part of what Makes rory so attractive as
(38:12):
a television watch is, that Like Phil, mickelson he can
shoot his way out of a. LEE i, mean this
guy had a four stroke Lead sunday and it just disappeared,
instantly And.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I'm, like, oh, no.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
No and part of what makes sports ON tv great
is you don't know the. Outcome even when they went
to the playoff, Hole i'm, like, No Justin rose going,
In this is no.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Way eighteen just is no. Way it's not gonna.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
WORK i was almost hoping BECAUSE i was watching it
as A i was on a. PLANE i watched every
stroke on a. Plane literally the plane took, off first,
shot plane, landed last shot of the, playoff AND i was,
thinking maybe it's better if my streaming device just goes
out AND i don't see. It i'm gonna be so
nothing Against Justin. ROSE i was gonna be so, bitter
(38:58):
but it JUST i thought it was as good as sports.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
GETS i, Mean.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I've had a Few Super BOWLS i felt that way
WHERE i was, watching And i've had The World cup,
matches The World Cup, FINAL i felt LIKE i was
watching some of the greatest television in the history of my.
Life i've seen a couple of fights live WHERE i
felt that that was as good as sports. Gets it
was just so dramatic and so gripping and so. Tense
(39:26):
and to Watch rory McElroy go to his knees and
just a waterfall of, emotion just crying in front of.
Everybody and you, know athletes often, say you, know if
you would have, lost he would have, said, hey, listen it.
Hurts but an athlete doesn't want to just say out, there, yeah,
LIKE i gotta be honest with, YOU i don't sleep
for weeks after, This but his reaction tells you he
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wouldn't have slept for weeks after. That and for him
to be that vulnerable and JUST i, mean just go
to his knees and. Cry it was, like, wow this
is that is one of the moment if you have
ten pictures of, sports if you had landed on a
spaceship down here and you're saying The martians come in
and go what is? Sports and we Got we're gonna
give you ten pictures of what sports. Is and one
(40:14):
of them is Maybe Tom brady's first one when he's
looking around In wonderman after his First Super bowl like
what in the hell just. Happened one of It's Michael
jordan maybe switching hands in mid.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Air Another's ali beating Liston Sonny.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Listen but ten pictures him hitting that putt and dropping
to his knees is like, wow that is an all
time gripping emotional moment and we were all there to see. It.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
Yeah he said something earlier too that hit me that
you can't wait for The. BRITISH i wonder where you
have felt that? Way, yeh Bro, okay, NO i love
The british so, no BUT i mean because McElroy wins
now The.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
British.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
No i've thought about it for two. Days my three
favorite golf tournaments two or. Annual one is The, masters
the other is The british regardless of where it's. PLAYED
i love THE Us, open BUT i really love it At.
Pebble it's like a. PAINTING i mean nothing Against pinehursh
or anywhere, else but when it's At, pebble it just
feels it's such a unique part of our global golf,
(41:12):
landscape right on the, coast the, rocks the, water so
much great history. There but to get that At augusta
it took some. LINE i was texting somebody yesterday in
THE nfl AND i said. THIS i, said WHEN i
watched The Michael jordan, documentary And i've told my kids,
THIS i, Said michael was the best looking.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Player the best. Player he Had David stern And nike behind.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Him and it was just a. Struggle he could never
win a playoff series Without Scotty. Pippen he had the best,
coach he Had Scotty, pippen and it was still hard
and goodwill. Hunting Matt damon And Ben affleck are these
two kids From. Boston they tried to make. That they
tried to get that over a decade of movie. Studios
(41:56):
not good enough. Passing everybody looks At Matt damon And Ben.
Affleck oh just walked out To. Hollywood they were. Stars
fifteen years of grinding In hollywood to get goodwill hunting
made And rory McElroy In He is A He is
The tiger Of europe his SEVENTEENTH augusta and it almost didn't.
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Happen AND i tell my kids this all the. TIME
i don't care when you went to. COLLEGE i don't
care about your. Resume the number one quality of success
in the.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
World are you? Relentless are you literally you're gonna step in.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It you're gonna be, Denied you're gonna be, mocked people
will be, mean it will be.
Speaker 7 (42:37):
Hard are you?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Relentless can you how do you react to? Failure BECAUSE
mj failed And ronaldo's, failed And messy failed a, lot
And Matt damon And Ben affleck got turned. Out you,
know Remember American, idol you know the popular. Show you,
Know American idol was passed on by Every american. Network
fox eventually came. Back it Was it's a fifteen year
(43:01):
hit or whatever it. Was initially people weren't willing to
take a. Risk now it's not gonna work here in The.
States it was huge In, britain it's not gonna work.
Here success is. Hard and success at the highest, levels
even if you're a, prodigy is so incredibly. Difficult the
thing that burrows through is it when you went to
college or your agent or your. Connections are you? Relentless
(43:26):
you just never give. Up
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