April 18, 2025 • 34 mins
More on the NFL draft and Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, Eric Mangini has been in lot of war rooms
with the Browns, with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's very, very stressful.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And this is not a draft with a lot of
marquee players at the top, and Eric's joining us live,
so I don't see a lot of teams moving up.
But I made I threw this out earlier. I said,
the bottom of the middle to late first round is
a lot of really smart offensive coaches, Kevin O'Connell, Sean Payton,
Andy Reid, Sean McVay. And I said there's a couple
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of players like a Colston Loveland for Michigan where I
can see like an Andy Reid saying, oh, I got
seven plays for that kid. I can put him out wide.
Book of the receiver from Ohio State. I had a
GM tell me yesterday, I'm like, that kid's slot sideline, like, you.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Can play that kid anywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I can see those offensive coaches Sean Payton doing some
moving around late first round, but there's not a lot
of star power at the top. Give me your draft history.
Just are there drafts where you're like, listen, it's a
move down draft or a move up draft and you
knew it going into it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, it's funny that you brought up Colson Loveland in
Kansas City. I was just saying that to Nick right
the other day. I would love to see him in
Kansas City. I think that's I think that's a great fit.
And you make a really good point is as you're
sitting there in the twenties, and especially this draft, where
there hasn't been any you know, everybody's got their first
round draft pick, there haven't been any substantial trades. As
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the board starts unfold, I could easily see guy as
you know who are sitting in those spots saying, Okay,
this is this is someone who's dropped further th when
we thought and and we're going to go up and
get them. When I was in Cleveland the first year,
you know, we ended up drafting Alex Mack and we
really liked Alex Mack, but we didn't like him at
I think we had four or five at that point.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
That was way too high for him.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
So we were looking for some way to get out
of that spot.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
And and and.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Right up until I forget when we ended up trading
with the Jets. It was right before the draft. We
were desperately trying to trade down because we knew that's
the guy we wanted, but but we just couldn't take him,
you know, at that number.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Sure, you know, let me ask you about you know,
there's all this quarterback stuff and we paid, we spend
so much time on the quarterback stuff, and I you know,
I get what we do. I'm really fascinated by what
you do with Travis Hunter. So somebody Greg co Sell
at a funny line an hour ago. He goes, can
you he's not going to go to the Eagles. But
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if he went to the Eagles and you told Vic
Fangio on Tuesday, yeah, you don't get him Today at corner.
I'm going to install the offense. And Vic's like, well,
I'm installing the defense. I need my corner. Now we'll
give me a Thursday. What do you do with Travis Hunter?
Who is a remarkable transcendent athlete.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Look to me, this can work, and I don't think
it works where he starts both ways and plays the
whole game. Back in when we were in New England
twenty plus years ago, we played Troy Brown, who was
a twelve year VET at wide receiver on defense and
he had never played defense, and he ended up playing
more defensive snaps that year than offensive snaps. And it's
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one of those things where the way I would set
it up with Travis Hunters, I would probably start him
on defense and that would be his primary position. And
my thought process is on offense, you can control what
group goes into the game. You have total control over
what happens, so you can you can play him in
those critical situations, play him on third down, play him
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in two minute, play him in the red zone, and
then you tag the plate. So you've got eleven personnel,
but it's eleven Hunter and or twelve personnel.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
It's twelve Hunter, and.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You've got his group of plays that you can start
installing in the preseason in OTAs in training camp, and
then you build on it each week. But you have
absolute control as to when you want to use it.
Where if you go the other way and you're going
to play him, you know, primarily on offense and then
on substituted defenses, Well, you don't know when the other
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team's offense is going to play multiple wide receivers, so
and so it gets a little bit harder to really
formulate your complete plan of attack on how you're going
to use them. If you start with him on offense
first and defense in a role. I would go the
other way, defense first and offense in a role just
because you have you have so much more say on
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how things happen.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So I said my two takeaways on the Aaron Rodgers
discussion yesterday. One, the Jets have a history of not
treating employees. Well, I mean they said, they said, the
roster is great. Yeah, I mean, this is what they do.
Aaron flies cross country. They give him five minutes. It's
like the Rams wouldn't do that, the Ravens wouldn't do that.
I mean, just treat people better. But my second takeaway
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is there are certain jobs in America surgeon, pilot, CEO, quarterback.
You can't be indifferent. Well maybe I'll play, maybe I'll won't.
Nobody wants to hear about your inner circle. I can
have empathy for it, but the NFL benches aren't therapy
couches like people want you to. Tom Brady didn't have a
perfect life. He didn't bring it to work, he didn't
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talk about it. It's you know, so I look at
Aaron and I think, well, he's way too indifferent on
this stuff for me. But Pittsburgh doesn't have a quarterback
and it's mid April.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
What would you do if you were the Steelers?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Would you just say, hey, listen, we'll just wait as
long as you want to wait, and we'll go draft
the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
From from from Aaron Rodgers perspective, I don't think he
has to be in any rush. Aaron Rodgers still has
leverage and and Aaron Rodgers doesn't have to rush into
a bad situation right now, and he shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
He should.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
He should pick the spot that that's best for him.
And unfortunately the league is so starved for quarterbacks that
you still have the Steelers sitting out there with really
no good answer.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Who knows what's going to happen in New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
The draft isn't very strong or has so many uncertainties
at the quarterback spot. So when you've got a guy
like Aaron Rodgers, who's who is now your best possible candidate,
except maybe if you can go, you know, trade with
Atlanta after June one for Kirk Cousins. He's he's got
the ability to sit back and wait and see what
situation is good for him. And I get what you're saying. Organizationally,
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you want someone who's all in. But if you're it's
just saying don't ever go shopping hungry. If you're hungry
for a quarterback, then you're at the mercy of who's
the best available, and right now, Aaron Rodgers is the
best available. So I would imagine that Pittsburgh will look
to try to solve that problem in the draft or
at least add, you know, add a viable answer. But
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you also will sit back and wait and say, okay,
if this ends up a month from now being okay,
it's our best alternative. Not great, but it's our best alternative.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
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Speaker 1 (07:33):
So you know, if you go back to your draft history.
You know you're getting lied to by college coaches, you know,
I mean they, I mean, it's just hard. It's I mean,
the best teams. I mean, John Lynch has had huge whiffs.
Baltimore has had huge whiffs. I mean, like, I mean,
Bill Pollian would tell you, yeah, I had big misses.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It's really hard. You know.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
One of the things, as I said, is if we
if teams pass on Shahdour Sanders, are you gonna look
back and go, man, we.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Overthought the room.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Son of a legend, historically accurate thirty three points a
game in college with a terrible old line and no
running game mobile enough, bigger than you think in person
when you see videos of him walking around like pregame polskit.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
He's big, way thick, big shoulders.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Are we overthinking him because his dad's a star and
he's a you know, Schadour Sanders a seventy four percent
completion rate. Now, I know there's a lot of bubble
screens in college, Like I get it, But every time
I watched him, I was like, yeah, like he's accuracy matters.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
He throws a great ball left, right up back.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Like, I think we're overthinking it a little with him.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Maybe, yeah, you can. You could.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
You could be overthinking a draft pick when when we
drafted Vernon Golds and he had led, he'd broken the
Ohio state sack record, he was a junior, he had
unbelievable combine scores. He looked the part, Everything made sense.
I thought that maybe he'd go to New England if
we didn't take him, But you know, it ended up
being a big whiff, and maybe I overthought the possibility
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of him affecting us in New England. But when you
look at Chador, the struggle that I have with it
is the sacks weren't all the offensive line Colin.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
There's a bunch of times where.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
He's running around and he's running around for way too
long instead of getting rid of the ball. And there's
a lot of what we saw from Caleb Williams where
he's trying to make a play, but you don't see
the wild plays that he saw from Caleb Williams, and
that to me is an issue. And then he had
the forty scrambles on.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Top of that.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I watched all of his touchdowns and there are a
bunch of them where they were catching run type plays.
I don't I don't think you can just equate all
the sacks to the offensive line or not having a
good enough running game. I worry about him trying to
have that same mentality, just like I did with Caleb.
I'm going to extend every play. You can't do that
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in the NFL effectively, except if you're maybe Lamar Jackson
or Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
And he's not that type of athlete.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So I'll give you a team and a player that's fascinating.
Raiders and Ashton gen Z so hear me out. Geno Smith,
who you know? When Gino throws on play action Eric,
his passer rating is like one oh six. He's very circumstantial.
Pete Carroll's success in his career has been with Marshawn
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Lynch and Reggie Bush.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
When Pete's got a.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Run game, he can own the clock, special teams defense.
Pete doesn't want his quarterback throwing forty two times. He
does not like mistakes and turnovers. And when Gino is
throwing and everybody knows he's throwing, Gino gets in trouble.
It's very Sam Darnold and maybe it's overdrafting, but I
could do you think Pete carroll would say, listen, Chip
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Kelly in the run game, Gino with a running back.
I know nobody's Boise State, he's five eight, But do
you think Pete would just say for the quarterback, I'm
married to here, we have to have a run game.
I'm taking the Boise State kid. The coaches think like.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
That, Yeah, look, if you think the guy is Adrian Peterson,
then yeah you could.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
You could definitely be thinking that way. But I went
back and.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I looked at all of Pete Carroll's drafts and when
he's drafted, I looked at twelve or blow when he's
been in that spot, whether it's been the Jets, the Patriots,
the Seahawks, and he's drafted offensive lineman and defensive backs,
and typically you go, I think there's a defensive linean
there as well. But the moral of the story is
he went either big or he went cornerbacks, and those
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guys typically are harder to find than quality running backs
later in the first round, later in the draft, and
I think I would imagine he'll stay true to form
and and probably you know, fall in one of those
two positions as opposed to genty.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
My concern on Genti is he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Really catch the ball very much out of the backfield.
You look at him versus Saquon Barkley, it's about six
yards less per reception in college and than Saquon had,
and it's about half as many catches for.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
His final season. And that's a big part of it.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Gino needs to be able to throw the checkdown to
a running back that has the potential to, you know,
break big plays. And you just haven't seen that from
genty and and you know that it's hard to not
want that whole complete package.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You know, you would think because you guys all when
you were with the Browns of the Jets, you do
these mock drafts yourself. You probably you know, you throw
a bunch of curveballs at you. Take my audience though,
to here's the draft. You're on the phone. You guys
do get in your war room. The picks about a
minute before the audience does, so you do have a
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little bit of a lag time for the average viewer
has lag time.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Did you love it? Is it nerve wracking?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Was there ever a story where it's like you got burned?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I mean your shake.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
So burned, so burned. So this kid, Chris go Kong.
I get a tape on my desk. It's like a DVD,
and I just happened to look at it. Kid, Chris
Go Kong. I looked at him like, oh, it looks
pretty good. Look on our draft board we have him
as a priority free agent or maybe not even there.
And I went and watched his college tape. I really
liked him. I had some of the scouts watch him.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
We started to get some momentum. We got him pushed up,
and I think it was the fourth round where we
were on the clock and Go Kong was really my guy.
I really wanted Chris Go Kong badly. And so we're
on the clock and the Eagles call, it's Andy and
they say, hey do you want do you want to
trade back? And it was only I think two or
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three spots, and so I said to Mike, what are
we looking at it here? And he said, well, nobody
behind us needs a linebacker. We should be in good shape.
Chris will be there, no problem, Like, okay, are you sure?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
He's like I'm positive.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
So we trade back and the Eagles take Chris Gokong
and it just it broke my heart and Chris ends
up being a starter for the Eagles and a really
productive start. Now you end up playing with me later
on in Cleveland. But it's just one of those moments
where you're just you have the player, you should take
the player, and we outsmarted ourselves and lost a quality
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starter in a late round.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
It just it kills you. Kills you.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Do people lie on the phone or do people try
to be honest?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You know, you gotta know who you're talking to.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
You got to know who has the reputation of being honest,
who as a reputation of lying. You know, you'll say
to someone is your player on offense or defense?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
You'll say, you know, there's, there's.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
And And you may get burnt once, but typically if
you burn someone, that gets out in league circles. And
then the next time you're trying to set up, you know,
a trade, guys that are like, yeah, I'm not going
to trade with you.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I'm not going to do business with you.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
By the way, I wasn't laughing at you. But these
these stories are fun.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Oh it just brace brace broke my heart.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Eric Man, Geny, good seeing coach, Good seeing you too, Colin.
All right, Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
No turns. This is the Herd Line News Colin.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
The Broncos are preparing for the second draft of the
Sean Payton era, and Peyton loves the running backs in
this class. He says, quote, there will be a focus
on the running back position for the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Now, last year, the Broncos.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Took Notre Dame running back Odrick Estimate in the fourth
But I'm telling you right now, Peyton wants more Jews
at that position.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
It's a big need.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Now.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
I can also tell you they like Amrion Hampton out
of North Carolina. They like Trevon Henderson out of Ohio State.
He's got too fine is Alvin Kamara. And when you
think about what he did in New Orleans with Kamara
and mark Ingram or what Detroit has done, what Jamir
Gives and David Montgomery Thunder and Lightning. Who do you
like at Denver assuming they are running back first or
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second round?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Well, I think I think Sean.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Wants to do everything he can to ensure the success
of Bone Knicks.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So I don't know who I like. I think I
think Sean Payton's.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Legacy because of the Saints, is set. But I think
Shawn's making a lot of money, and there's a lot
on the line in Denver, so he's gonna he's going
to draft people who make bow Nicks work. Now, he
loves bo Nicks. Anyway, every quarterback, including Tom Brady, is
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better with a home run running back. So I think
I think that's what they're looking I think there's better
receivers than people think in this draft. I talked to
an execu yesterday who said he likes two of them
from Iowa State.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
They got two guys to start.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So I just I think when I watched this draft,
I will be thinking about bow Knicks. What because he's
cleaned up the O line already. What's going to make
bow Knicks better? And also Sean is a very clever
play designer like an Andy Reid, where he may find
a player that's a player that doesn't work for everybody
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that works for him. Yeah, So that's just kind of
I'm going to be thinking of bow Knicks during this
draft for Denver.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
What's going to ensure his success?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
But he graduates to he graduates to a master's program
at the position.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
So you just hit it Neil on the head. Amario
on Hampton can really catch the football. He's an absolute workhorse,
got that Joe Mixon cup more explosive. Treveon Henderson the
best pass protecting running back in this draft. So you
can play him on all three downs. You can play
him on third down. That is extremely important to Sean Payton.
He's not going to put out a running back that
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cannot pass protection.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
To your point about Bote Knicks, you need lightning.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Both of those guys have it, and you need someone
that can protect the quarterback on third down and pass protection.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
Both those guys can do it.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Bill Belichick and North Carolina have signed former South Alabama
quarterback Geo Lopez now. Lopez was one of the top
passers in the spring transfer portal. Both Georgia and LSU
were also in on the quarterback and had reportedly discussed
giving Lopez a chance to compete for a starting spot
in twenty twenty six, but the Heels locked him up
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on a two year, four million dollars deal.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
He has three years.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Calling left of eligibility remaining. Just to give you an
idea contextually of what he is, I asked a veteran
NFL scout, I said, tell me about the player.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
He said, dual threat, very talented.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Immediately becomes one of the best quarterbacks in the ACC.
I imagine he's a day one starter at Chapel Hill.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I'm the whole situation in Carolina is fascinating. It is
just and it's not a very good football conference. So
is Bill going to you know, you're limited on hours
you can coach in the NFL yet, but seventeen or
twenty a week. I think this is such an interesting story.
They're going to be impossible not to watch. I mean,
we always watched Notre Dame or Texas or the big brands.
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Ohio State, North Carolina is.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Now on my let's watch this football.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, it's all my main television. Like, it's just so
good for the sport.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Can they maybe not year one, but with this kid
who's going to be a really good college quarterback at
the very least, can Carolina get to a playoff in
year two?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh? I think it can get to a playoff in
year one? I mean the playoffs Aco, Yeah, I mean
so could they be runner up from the ACC? I
mean SMU got there last year, so Bill could absolutely
get in the playoff here one. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
And the key also is all these schools, these top
tier schools are spending money in nil. Carolina just did
it getting their.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Guy from South Alabama.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Karl Anthony Towns is getting ready himself to make his
knixt playoff debut against the Pistons.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Detroit six man.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Malik Beasley in Towns played together for the Ta Wolves.
Beezy was asked about his thoughts on Cat, and he said, quote,
I'm not worried about Kat. I don't think about Kat.
He is the least of my worries. Now, this is
Detroit's first playoff appearance in six years. They beat the
Knicks three out of four this year.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
And here's the key.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Carl Anthony Town's first three games of the conference finals
last year, oh and three to fifteen points a game.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
There's a lot of pressure on Kat. We know what
Brunson's gonna do ast the Pistons.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
He had success against the Pistons.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
But can Cat perform because if the Knicks are going
to make a run, it's gonna be because of him.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, I mean I think we know what we get
from well, I just think the Knicks we know what
we get from Tibbs. Karl Anthony Towns is an offensive player,
can't defan gets picked on and teams like Cleveland and
Boston and OK, so you'll eat him alive, but he
can give you twenty four points in any playoff game.
Brunson's a great leader. I just kind of feel like
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I know what I get from the Knicks. I think
they're the third best team in the East, and I
think the East pecking order is much more predictable. I
don't know, I can't. I still can't believe the Warriors
are favored over the Rockets. I guess it's curR and Curry.
But I kind of know what the Eastern Conference playoffs
are going to look like. I know what I get
from Karl Anthony Towns. I think he's a Yeah, he's
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a really really gifted offensive player. I've seen him play
three or four times live. He's really gifted.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
I saw Karl Anthony Towns for the Dominican Republic he
was seventeen years old, play on the national team at
the Garden and it was the first time I saw
him live, and I remember thinking, this guy sensational.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Yeah, now you fast.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Forward, this is his opportunity to shine. Because as much
as it is about Brunson, I live in New York,
Karl Anthony Towns has become a big part of this city.
But he hasn't had the playoff success, so there's some
real pressure on him.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Okay, this is a fun one.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
I posted this story yesterday, this video of Ashton gent T.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Dunkey now Colin. He is listed at five eight.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I'm not saying the dude to Night Robinson, but he
is a massive favorite to be the first running back
taken the Raiders potentially at six. This stuff has to
opress you, right, I mean first in the FBS, almost
two thousand yards after contact, one hundred and sixty four mistackles,
first thirty touchdowns, everything you want from production. And then
you see him at five eight doing I mean his
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elbows on the rim, Colin, his head is at the rim.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, it's too bad they don't need you to do
that in the NFL. But he's an impressive.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Athlete that was at Beaverton on the Nike campus. Well,
what's out the love about him?
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I mean, other than the fact that he's a little
smaller and he comes from a smaller, you know, lesser
known school.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
The Boise State played real teams and he had really
good games. Cause the Oregon game, you go back and
look at the film. He's making NFL prospects miss badly,
so he.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Can he can play. He's a first round player, no question.
Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the live Kylan.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Clark thanks to Time Magazine's weird list has been a
topic this week, and we'll close our show. Is she
more or less influential? That's the word Time Magazine used.
Is she more or less influential than many of the
global and domestic stars today?
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Speaker 1 (24:40):
We thought because of the Caitlin Clark story this week,
Time magazine came out with the most Influential one hundred
most influential people in America, and they had two WNBA
players on it, but not Caitlin Clark. Now people are saying, well,
they gave her Athlete of the Year in December. Okay,
that doesn't make her less influential. In April, I thought
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it was just a gaff by Time Magazine.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
So we said, to close out the week.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
We'll name all these stars and sports and we'll call
it Caitlin influencers. She just by the way, there's a
campaign today for Gatorade that Clark is part of, So
that's she's a breakthrough athlete.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Just to give your heads up.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Basically every merchandise, ticket sales, TV ratings exploded.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
With Caitlin Clark. I mean everything exploded. I don't think there's.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
A athlete that changed a sport more than she did
more since Tiger Woods. Now, influence means a lot of things.
So we'll give great athletes and we'll say, is she
more or less influential than this athlete?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Is Kaitlin Clark more or less influential than.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
More He's the best player in the NBA, but he's
he basically scrubbed his social media to concentrate more on basketball.
He has no interest in anything other than winning games.
Don't confuse great player with influential. He's not changing the league.
He's not changing the way we play the game. He'll
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catch just an all time great player.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
The day of the season's over. He's in Servia riding horses.
Is Kaylen Clark more or less influential than Luka Doncic.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
She is more influential. Luca is not the most influential
player on his team, and again, great player. And I
will say if Luca has a healthy playoff run here,
this is one of those that could change, because I
do think he has a shot to be the face
of the league. But he's also got a very unique game,
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whereas she's basically the female staff and it's fascinating. His
game isn't as beautiful or fascinating. He's just a scoring
machine who we wish played actual defense. But I would
say influential. Yeah, she's Tiger Woods. Nobody was watching golf.
They love Jack Nicholas, but when you could double golf ratings,
that's influential. When Jordan leaves basketball and they lose fifty
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percent of their television audies, that is not just great,
it's influential.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
Is Kaitlyn Clark more or less influential than Steph Curry?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Less?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Because Steph changed the entire way we played basketball. She
is the Steph Curry of women's basketball. So Steph is
outside of Michael Jordan, I'd argue Steph's the most influential
player in league. His wow, influential, Maybe not top five,
but influential.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Is Kaitlyn Clark more or less influential than Lebron James.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
It's Lebron is more influential, not just because he has
been the driving force with the NBA for two decades.
Lebron's really the face of empowerment and mobility. So Lebron's
influence is way beyond basketball. If you don't at least
consider leaving an average team like Jannis, people criticize you.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
That's Lebron.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Lebron is why you have to consider leaving, even if
you're pretty happy with a decent franchise. That's the Lebron effect.
Lebron's had incredible influence.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
He was the steward to the Players League, the NBA
becoming a players league. Is Caitlin Clark more or less
influential than Aja Wilson.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Caitlin's much more influential. A Joe Wilson's a better player,
but the ratings for the WNBA, the ticket sales that
didn't double when she arrived, Age is just the best
player in the league.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Is Caitlin Clark more or less influential than Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, this is weird. She's more influential. I don't now.
He is run his entire industry. His business is run
by apparently an all women led team, which is awesome,
but I'm not sure in terms of influence. Even winning
in fluence, I could you argue Sakwan Barkley was the
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most influential player on the Eagles. So again, I can
love Jalen Hurts, but I don't know. I don't know
how influential I would make him.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
We're getting to the tough one.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Now, is Kaylen Clark more or less influential than Patrick Maho?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Okay, so this is the hardest one. I would say
Caitlin's more influential. The NFL ratings were good with or
without Mahomes. He's winning super Bowls, he didn't have nearly
as many as Brady.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
He's clearly sometimes you're just great.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, nobody's copying Mahomes. What he does, nobody can really do.
I mean, throwing left landed all the arm angles said
Mahomes is just amazing. But I don't think you're sitting
out there and telling young quarterbacks, hey, throw left handed,
do these weird arm angles. That's not really He's just
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an all time Unicorn, is a player.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Kaylyn'sar's a big Chiefs fan, too, big Mahomes fan.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Now, again, the word is influential. He's influencing outcomes. But
even Andy Reid got to a Super Bowl before Mahomes.
Andy Reid was a great coach before Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Couldn't win one until Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Though true, I'm not saying he's not doesn't have some influence.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Is Kaylyn Clark more or less influential than Show Hey
o'tany less?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Not that he's saved baseball. He has changed the entire
direction of baseball going to the Dodgers. Also, he is
he is global. She's a domestic star. He's an international star.
So he's basically Babe Ruth. Yeah, but better looking and better.
I mean seriously, he's like a better version of Babe Ruth. Appearance, ascetic,
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playing pitching, and I hope everybody understands or watches it's
just insane.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Yes, last one.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Is Kaylyn Clark more or less influential than Coco Goff.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
More influential? Women's tennis has been popular forever my entire life.
I watched Billy Jean King, Chris Effertstepie Grab, Martine Novtzealova,
Serena Williams. Women's tennis has been huge, In fact, in
my lifetime. The first women's sport that was wildly popular
was women's.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Tennis because of Billy Gen Probably, well.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, absolutely so. I mean women's tenn has been popular forever.
The WNBA has been subsidized. I think the most amazing
thing about Caitlin Clark, this is fascinating. Literally six WNBA teams, yeah,
have preemptively moved their Caitlin Clark games to bigger arenas.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Does everybody understand the influence they flew.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Commercial That's the big one for me.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, she changed how she is uber for the WNBA.
She changed the transportation ecosystem in her sport.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, that's why I say.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
In my lifetime Muhammad Ali in boxing, I mean he
was the first athlete that was a huge personnelity. He
was like literally doing poems and lyrics. And then Tiger Woods,
You're like, oh my god, he's doubling ratings in purses
for all the players. And then Michael Jordan. Although Magic
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and Bird largely are considered the guys that kind of
save the NBA, but Michael.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Make it. Michael made it global.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Like again, then there's a bunch of Then I think
Steph Curry's influence is crazy, how he literally changed.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
The math of the sport.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
Well that's her though.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, it's just a whole different ballgame. Now, this is
just me. This is my anecdotal experience. I never talked WNBA.
I don't think people that do what I do for
a living, uh Dan or steven A or we didn't
really talk WNB. I led with the WNBA half a
dozen times last year. It was a topic regularly.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
On my Showcase of one person and not saying my
show has that any influence.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I'm saying is the people that do what I do,
which is being a bunch of you know, talk media,
talk sports can select anything we want to. I mean
it was in the summer, I was talking NFL a
little baseball and Caitlyn Clark and I can monitor numbers.
People were interested. I can monitor minute to minute what
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people watch. Nobody was going away. I mean that's why
I kept talking about it. It was like, people are
really into it. Her influence is insane. And that's why
Time Magazine, I know, they were trying to be nice.
They gave her player, they gave her Athlete of the Year.
We don't want to put her in the one hundred list.
Like guys, we're talking Taylor Swift. Here, we're talking all
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time stuff like Taylor Swift goes to LA, sells out
seven straight SOULFI shows.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Wow.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, Eric Mangini has been in lot of war rooms
with the Browns, with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's very, very stressful.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And this is not a draft with a lot of
marquee players at the top, and Eric's joining us live,
so I don't see a lot of teams moving up.
But I made I threw this out earlier. I said,
the bottom of the middle to late first round is
a lot of really smart offensive coaches, Kevin O'Connell, Sean Payton,
Andy Reid, Sean McVay. And I said there's a couple
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of players like a Colston Loveland for Michigan where I
can see like an Andy Reid saying, oh, I got
seven plays for that kid. I can put him out wide.
Book of the receiver from Ohio State. I had a
GM tell me yesterday, I'm like, that kid's slot sideline, like, you.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Can play that kid anywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I can see those offensive coaches Sean Payton doing some
moving around late first round, but there's not a lot
of star power at the top. Give me your draft history.
Just are there drafts where you're like, listen, it's a
move down draft or a move up draft and you
knew it going into it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, it's funny that you brought up Colson Loveland in
Kansas City. I was just saying that to Nick right
the other day. I would love to see him in
Kansas City. I think that's I think that's a great fit.
And you make a really good point is as you're
sitting there in the twenties, and especially this draft, where
there hasn't been any you know, everybody's got their first
round draft pick, there haven't been any substantial trades. As
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the board starts unfold, I could easily see guy as
you know who are sitting in those spots saying, Okay,
this is this is someone who's dropped further th when
we thought and and we're going to go up and
get them. When I was in Cleveland the first year,
you know, we ended up drafting Alex Mack and we
really liked Alex Mack, but we didn't like him at
I think we had four or five at that point.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
That was way too high for him.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
So we were looking for some way to get out
of that spot.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
And and and.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Right up until I forget when we ended up trading
with the Jets. It was right before the draft. We
were desperately trying to trade down because we knew that's
the guy we wanted, but but we just couldn't take him,
you know, at that number.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Sure, you know, let me ask you about you know,
there's all this quarterback stuff and we paid, we spend
so much time on the quarterback stuff, and I you know,
I get what we do. I'm really fascinated by what
you do with Travis Hunter. So somebody Greg co Sell
at a funny line an hour ago. He goes, can
you he's not going to go to the Eagles. But
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if he went to the Eagles and you told Vic
Fangio on Tuesday, yeah, you don't get him Today at corner.
I'm going to install the offense. And Vic's like, well,
I'm installing the defense. I need my corner. Now we'll
give me a Thursday. What do you do with Travis Hunter?
Who is a remarkable transcendent athlete.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Look to me, this can work, and I don't think
it works where he starts both ways and plays the
whole game. Back in when we were in New England
twenty plus years ago, we played Troy Brown, who was
a twelve year VET at wide receiver on defense and
he had never played defense, and he ended up playing
more defensive snaps that year than offensive snaps. And it's
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one of those things where the way I would set
it up with Travis Hunters, I would probably start him
on defense and that would be his primary position. And
my thought process is on offense, you can control what
group goes into the game. You have total control over
what happens, so you can you can play him in
those critical situations, play him on third down, play him
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in two minute, play him in the red zone, and
then you tag the plate. So you've got eleven personnel,
but it's eleven Hunter and or twelve personnel.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
It's twelve Hunter, and.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You've got his group of plays that you can start
installing in the preseason in OTAs in training camp, and
then you build on it each week. But you have
absolute control as to when you want to use it.
Where if you go the other way and you're going
to play him, you know, primarily on offense and then
on substituted defenses, Well, you don't know when the other
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team's offense is going to play multiple wide receivers, so
and so it gets a little bit harder to really
formulate your complete plan of attack on how you're going
to use them. If you start with him on offense
first and defense in a role. I would go the
other way, defense first and offense in a role just
because you have you have so much more say on
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how things happen.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So I said my two takeaways on the Aaron Rodgers
discussion yesterday. One, the Jets have a history of not
treating employees. Well, I mean they said, they said, the
roster is great. Yeah, I mean, this is what they do.
Aaron flies cross country. They give him five minutes. It's
like the Rams wouldn't do that, the Ravens wouldn't do that.
I mean, just treat people better. But my second takeaway
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is there are certain jobs in America surgeon, pilot, CEO, quarterback.
You can't be indifferent. Well maybe I'll play, maybe I'll won't.
Nobody wants to hear about your inner circle. I can
have empathy for it, but the NFL benches aren't therapy
couches like people want you to. Tom Brady didn't have a
perfect life. He didn't bring it to work, he didn't
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talk about it. It's you know, so I look at
Aaron and I think, well, he's way too indifferent on
this stuff for me. But Pittsburgh doesn't have a quarterback
and it's mid April.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
What would you do if you were the Steelers?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Would you just say, hey, listen, we'll just wait as
long as you want to wait, and we'll go draft
the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
From from from Aaron Rodgers perspective, I don't think he
has to be in any rush. Aaron Rodgers still has
leverage and and Aaron Rodgers doesn't have to rush into
a bad situation right now, and he shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
He should.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
He should pick the spot that that's best for him.
And unfortunately the league is so starved for quarterbacks that
you still have the Steelers sitting out there with really
no good answer.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Who knows what's going to happen in New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
The draft isn't very strong or has so many uncertainties
at the quarterback spot. So when you've got a guy
like Aaron Rodgers, who's who is now your best possible candidate,
except maybe if you can go, you know, trade with
Atlanta after June one for Kirk Cousins. He's he's got
the ability to sit back and wait and see what
situation is good for him. And I get what you're saying. Organizationally,
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you want someone who's all in. But if you're it's
just saying don't ever go shopping hungry. If you're hungry
for a quarterback, then you're at the mercy of who's
the best available, and right now, Aaron Rodgers is the
best available. So I would imagine that Pittsburgh will look
to try to solve that problem in the draft or
at least add, you know, add a viable answer. But
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you also will sit back and wait and say, okay,
if this ends up a month from now being okay,
it's our best alternative. Not great, but it's our best alternative.
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Speaker 1 (07:33):
So you know, if you go back to your draft history.
You know you're getting lied to by college coaches, you know,
I mean they, I mean, it's just hard. It's I mean,
the best teams. I mean, John Lynch has had huge whiffs.
Baltimore has had huge whiffs. I mean, like, I mean,
Bill Pollian would tell you, yeah, I had big misses.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It's really hard. You know.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
One of the things, as I said, is if we
if teams pass on Shahdour Sanders, are you gonna look
back and go, man, we.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Overthought the room.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Son of a legend, historically accurate thirty three points a
game in college with a terrible old line and no
running game mobile enough, bigger than you think in person
when you see videos of him walking around like pregame polskit.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
He's big, way thick, big shoulders.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Are we overthinking him because his dad's a star and
he's a you know, Schadour Sanders a seventy four percent
completion rate. Now, I know there's a lot of bubble
screens in college, Like I get it, But every time
I watched him, I was like, yeah, like he's accuracy matters.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
He throws a great ball left, right up back.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Like, I think we're overthinking it a little with him.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Maybe, yeah, you can. You could.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
You could be overthinking a draft pick when when we
drafted Vernon Golds and he had led, he'd broken the
Ohio state sack record, he was a junior, he had
unbelievable combine scores. He looked the part, Everything made sense.
I thought that maybe he'd go to New England if
we didn't take him, But you know, it ended up
being a big whiff, and maybe I overthought the possibility
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of him affecting us in New England. But when you
look at Chador, the struggle that I have with it
is the sacks weren't all the offensive line Colin.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
There's a bunch of times where.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
He's running around and he's running around for way too
long instead of getting rid of the ball. And there's
a lot of what we saw from Caleb Williams where
he's trying to make a play, but you don't see
the wild plays that he saw from Caleb Williams, and
that to me is an issue. And then he had
the forty scrambles on.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Top of that.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I watched all of his touchdowns and there are a
bunch of them where they were catching run type plays.
I don't I don't think you can just equate all
the sacks to the offensive line or not having a
good enough running game. I worry about him trying to
have that same mentality, just like I did with Caleb.
I'm going to extend every play. You can't do that
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in the NFL effectively, except if you're maybe Lamar Jackson
or Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
And he's not that type of athlete.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So I'll give you a team and a player that's fascinating.
Raiders and Ashton gen Z so hear me out. Geno Smith,
who you know? When Gino throws on play action Eric,
his passer rating is like one oh six. He's very circumstantial.
Pete Carroll's success in his career has been with Marshawn
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Lynch and Reggie Bush.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
When Pete's got a.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Run game, he can own the clock, special teams defense.
Pete doesn't want his quarterback throwing forty two times. He
does not like mistakes and turnovers. And when Gino is
throwing and everybody knows he's throwing, Gino gets in trouble.
It's very Sam Darnold and maybe it's overdrafting, but I
could do you think Pete carroll would say, listen, Chip
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Kelly in the run game, Gino with a running back.
I know nobody's Boise State, he's five eight, But do
you think Pete would just say for the quarterback, I'm
married to here, we have to have a run game.
I'm taking the Boise State kid. The coaches think like.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
That, Yeah, look, if you think the guy is Adrian Peterson,
then yeah you could.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
You could definitely be thinking that way. But I went
back and.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I looked at all of Pete Carroll's drafts and when
he's drafted, I looked at twelve or blow when he's
been in that spot, whether it's been the Jets, the Patriots,
the Seahawks, and he's drafted offensive lineman and defensive backs,
and typically you go, I think there's a defensive linean
there as well. But the moral of the story is
he went either big or he went cornerbacks, and those
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guys typically are harder to find than quality running backs
later in the first round, later in the draft, and
I think I would imagine he'll stay true to form
and and probably you know, fall in one of those
two positions as opposed to genty.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
My concern on Genti is he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Really catch the ball very much out of the backfield.
You look at him versus Saquon Barkley, it's about six
yards less per reception in college and than Saquon had,
and it's about half as many catches for.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
His final season. And that's a big part of it.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Gino needs to be able to throw the checkdown to
a running back that has the potential to, you know,
break big plays. And you just haven't seen that from
genty and and you know that it's hard to not
want that whole complete package.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You know, you would think because you guys all when
you were with the Browns of the Jets, you do
these mock drafts yourself. You probably you know, you throw
a bunch of curveballs at you. Take my audience though,
to here's the draft. You're on the phone. You guys
do get in your war room. The picks about a
minute before the audience does, so you do have a
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little bit of a lag time for the average viewer
has lag time.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Did you love it? Is it nerve wracking?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Was there ever a story where it's like you got burned?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I mean your shake.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
So burned, so burned. So this kid, Chris go Kong.
I get a tape on my desk. It's like a DVD,
and I just happened to look at it. Kid, Chris
Go Kong. I looked at him like, oh, it looks
pretty good. Look on our draft board we have him
as a priority free agent or maybe not even there.
And I went and watched his college tape. I really
liked him. I had some of the scouts watch him.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
We started to get some momentum. We got him pushed up,
and I think it was the fourth round where we
were on the clock and Go Kong was really my guy.
I really wanted Chris Go Kong badly. And so we're
on the clock and the Eagles call, it's Andy and
they say, hey do you want do you want to
trade back? And it was only I think two or
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three spots, and so I said to Mike, what are
we looking at it here? And he said, well, nobody
behind us needs a linebacker. We should be in good shape.
Chris will be there, no problem, Like, okay, are you sure?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
He's like I'm positive.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
So we trade back and the Eagles take Chris Gokong
and it just it broke my heart and Chris ends
up being a starter for the Eagles and a really
productive start. Now you end up playing with me later
on in Cleveland. But it's just one of those moments
where you're just you have the player, you should take
the player, and we outsmarted ourselves and lost a quality
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starter in a late round.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
It just it kills you. Kills you.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Do people lie on the phone or do people try
to be honest?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You know, you gotta know who you're talking to.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
You got to know who has the reputation of being honest,
who as a reputation of lying. You know, you'll say
to someone is your player on offense or defense?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
You'll say, you know, there's, there's.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
And And you may get burnt once, but typically if
you burn someone, that gets out in league circles. And
then the next time you're trying to set up, you know,
a trade, guys that are like, yeah, I'm not going
to trade with you.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I'm not going to do business with you.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
By the way, I wasn't laughing at you. But these
these stories are fun.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Oh it just brace brace broke my heart.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Eric Man, Geny, good seeing coach, Good seeing you too, Colin.
All right, Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
No turns. This is the Herd Line News Colin.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
The Broncos are preparing for the second draft of the
Sean Payton era, and Peyton loves the running backs in
this class. He says, quote, there will be a focus
on the running back position for the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Now, last year, the Broncos.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Took Notre Dame running back Odrick Estimate in the fourth
But I'm telling you right now, Peyton wants more Jews
at that position.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
It's a big need.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Now.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
I can also tell you they like Amrion Hampton out
of North Carolina. They like Trevon Henderson out of Ohio State.
He's got too fine is Alvin Kamara. And when you
think about what he did in New Orleans with Kamara
and mark Ingram or what Detroit has done, what Jamir
Gives and David Montgomery Thunder and Lightning. Who do you
like at Denver assuming they are running back first or
(16:28):
second round?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Well, I think I think Sean.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Wants to do everything he can to ensure the success
of Bone Knicks.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So I don't know who I like. I think I
think Sean Payton's.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Legacy because of the Saints, is set. But I think
Shawn's making a lot of money, and there's a lot
on the line in Denver, so he's gonna he's going
to draft people who make bow Nicks work. Now, he
loves bo Nicks. Anyway, every quarterback, including Tom Brady, is
(17:09):
better with a home run running back. So I think
I think that's what they're looking I think there's better
receivers than people think in this draft. I talked to
an execu yesterday who said he likes two of them
from Iowa State.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
They got two guys to start.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So I just I think when I watched this draft,
I will be thinking about bow Knicks. What because he's
cleaned up the O line already. What's going to make
bow Knicks better? And also Sean is a very clever
play designer like an Andy Reid, where he may find
a player that's a player that doesn't work for everybody
(17:45):
that works for him. Yeah, So that's just kind of
I'm going to be thinking of bow Knicks during this
draft for Denver.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
What's going to ensure his success?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
But he graduates to he graduates to a master's program
at the position.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
So you just hit it Neil on the head. Amario
on Hampton can really catch the football. He's an absolute workhorse,
got that Joe Mixon cup more explosive. Treveon Henderson the
best pass protecting running back in this draft. So you
can play him on all three downs. You can play
him on third down. That is extremely important to Sean Payton.
He's not going to put out a running back that
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cannot pass protection.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
To your point about Bote Knicks, you need lightning.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Both of those guys have it, and you need someone
that can protect the quarterback on third down and pass protection.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
Both those guys can do it.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Bill Belichick and North Carolina have signed former South Alabama
quarterback Geo Lopez now. Lopez was one of the top
passers in the spring transfer portal. Both Georgia and LSU
were also in on the quarterback and had reportedly discussed
giving Lopez a chance to compete for a starting spot
in twenty twenty six, but the Heels locked him up
(18:53):
on a two year, four million dollars deal.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
He has three years.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Calling left of eligibility remaining. Just to give you an
idea contextually of what he is, I asked a veteran
NFL scout, I said, tell me about the player.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
He said, dual threat, very talented.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Immediately becomes one of the best quarterbacks in the ACC.
I imagine he's a day one starter at Chapel Hill.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I'm the whole situation in Carolina is fascinating. It is
just and it's not a very good football conference. So
is Bill going to you know, you're limited on hours
you can coach in the NFL yet, but seventeen or
twenty a week. I think this is such an interesting story.
They're going to be impossible not to watch. I mean,
we always watched Notre Dame or Texas or the big brands.
(19:36):
Ohio State, North Carolina is.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Now on my let's watch this football.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, it's all my main television. Like, it's just so
good for the sport.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Can they maybe not year one, but with this kid
who's going to be a really good college quarterback at
the very least, can Carolina get to a playoff in
year two?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh? I think it can get to a playoff in
year one? I mean the playoffs Aco, Yeah, I mean
so could they be runner up from the ACC? I
mean SMU got there last year, so Bill could absolutely
get in the playoff here one. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
And the key also is all these schools, these top
tier schools are spending money in nil. Carolina just did
it getting their.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Guy from South Alabama.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Karl Anthony Towns is getting ready himself to make his
knixt playoff debut against the Pistons.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Detroit six man.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Malik Beasley in Towns played together for the Ta Wolves.
Beezy was asked about his thoughts on Cat, and he said, quote,
I'm not worried about Kat. I don't think about Kat.
He is the least of my worries. Now, this is
Detroit's first playoff appearance in six years. They beat the
Knicks three out of four this year.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
And here's the key.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Carl Anthony Town's first three games of the conference finals
last year, oh and three to fifteen points a game.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
There's a lot of pressure on Kat. We know what
Brunson's gonna do ast the Pistons.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
He had success against the Pistons.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
But can Cat perform because if the Knicks are going
to make a run, it's gonna be because of him.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, I mean I think we know what we get
from well, I just think the Knicks we know what
we get from Tibbs. Karl Anthony Towns is an offensive player,
can't defan gets picked on and teams like Cleveland and
Boston and OK, so you'll eat him alive, but he
can give you twenty four points in any playoff game.
Brunson's a great leader. I just kind of feel like
(21:20):
I know what I get from the Knicks. I think
they're the third best team in the East, and I
think the East pecking order is much more predictable. I
don't know, I can't. I still can't believe the Warriors
are favored over the Rockets. I guess it's curR and Curry.
But I kind of know what the Eastern Conference playoffs
are going to look like. I know what I get
from Karl Anthony Towns. I think he's a Yeah, he's
(21:43):
a really really gifted offensive player. I've seen him play
three or four times live. He's really gifted.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
I saw Karl Anthony Towns for the Dominican Republic he
was seventeen years old, play on the national team at
the Garden and it was the first time I saw
him live, and I remember thinking, this guy sensational.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Yeah, now you fast.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Forward, this is his opportunity to shine. Because as much
as it is about Brunson, I live in New York,
Karl Anthony Towns has become a big part of this city.
But he hasn't had the playoff success, so there's some
real pressure on him.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Okay, this is a fun one.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
I posted this story yesterday, this video of Ashton gent T.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Dunkey now Colin. He is listed at five eight.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I'm not saying the dude to Night Robinson, but he
is a massive favorite to be the first running back
taken the Raiders potentially at six. This stuff has to
opress you, right, I mean first in the FBS, almost
two thousand yards after contact, one hundred and sixty four mistackles,
first thirty touchdowns, everything you want from production. And then
you see him at five eight doing I mean his
(22:43):
elbows on the rim, Colin, his head is at the rim.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, it's too bad they don't need you to do
that in the NFL. But he's an impressive.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Athlete that was at Beaverton on the Nike campus. Well,
what's out the love about him?
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I mean, other than the fact that he's a little
smaller and he comes from a smaller, you know, lesser
known school.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
The Boise State played real teams and he had really
good games. Cause the Oregon game, you go back and
look at the film. He's making NFL prospects miss badly,
so he.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Can he can play. He's a first round player, no question.
Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the live Kylan.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Clark thanks to Time Magazine's weird list has been a
topic this week, and we'll close our show. Is she
more or less influential? That's the word Time Magazine used.
Is she more or less influential than many of the
global and domestic stars today?
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Speaker 1 (24:40):
We thought because of the Caitlin Clark story this week,
Time magazine came out with the most Influential one hundred
most influential people in America, and they had two WNBA
players on it, but not Caitlin Clark. Now people are saying, well,
they gave her Athlete of the Year in December. Okay,
that doesn't make her less influential. In April, I thought
(25:00):
it was just a gaff by Time Magazine.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
So we said, to close out the week.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
We'll name all these stars and sports and we'll call
it Caitlin influencers. She just by the way, there's a
campaign today for Gatorade that Clark is part of, So
that's she's a breakthrough athlete.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Just to give your heads up.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Basically every merchandise, ticket sales, TV ratings exploded.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
With Caitlin Clark. I mean everything exploded. I don't think there's.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
A athlete that changed a sport more than she did
more since Tiger Woods. Now, influence means a lot of things.
So we'll give great athletes and we'll say, is she
more or less influential than this athlete?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Is Kaitlin Clark more or less influential than.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
More He's the best player in the NBA, but he's
he basically scrubbed his social media to concentrate more on basketball.
He has no interest in anything other than winning games.
Don't confuse great player with influential. He's not changing the league.
He's not changing the way we play the game. He'll
(26:20):
catch just an all time great player.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
The day of the season's over. He's in Servia riding horses.
Is Kaylen Clark more or less influential than Luka Doncic.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
She is more influential. Luca is not the most influential
player on his team, and again, great player. And I
will say if Luca has a healthy playoff run here,
this is one of those that could change, because I
do think he has a shot to be the face
of the league. But he's also got a very unique game,
(26:51):
whereas she's basically the female staff and it's fascinating. His
game isn't as beautiful or fascinating. He's just a scoring
machine who we wish played actual defense. But I would
say influential. Yeah, she's Tiger Woods. Nobody was watching golf.
They love Jack Nicholas, but when you could double golf ratings,
that's influential. When Jordan leaves basketball and they lose fifty
(27:14):
percent of their television audies, that is not just great,
it's influential.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
Is Kaitlyn Clark more or less influential than Steph Curry?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Less?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Because Steph changed the entire way we played basketball. She
is the Steph Curry of women's basketball. So Steph is
outside of Michael Jordan, I'd argue Steph's the most influential
player in league. His wow, influential, Maybe not top five,
but influential.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Is Kaitlyn Clark more or less influential than Lebron James.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
It's Lebron is more influential, not just because he has
been the driving force with the NBA for two decades.
Lebron's really the face of empowerment and mobility. So Lebron's
influence is way beyond basketball. If you don't at least
consider leaving an average team like Jannis, people criticize you.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
That's Lebron.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Lebron is why you have to consider leaving, even if
you're pretty happy with a decent franchise. That's the Lebron effect.
Lebron's had incredible influence.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
He was the steward to the Players League, the NBA
becoming a players league. Is Caitlin Clark more or less
influential than Aja Wilson.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Caitlin's much more influential. A Joe Wilson's a better player,
but the ratings for the WNBA, the ticket sales that
didn't double when she arrived, Age is just the best
player in the league.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Is Caitlin Clark more or less influential than Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, this is weird. She's more influential. I don't now.
He is run his entire industry. His business is run
by apparently an all women led team, which is awesome,
but I'm not sure in terms of influence. Even winning
in fluence, I could you argue Sakwan Barkley was the
(29:02):
most influential player on the Eagles. So again, I can
love Jalen Hurts, but I don't know. I don't know
how influential I would make him.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
We're getting to the tough one.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Now, is Kaylen Clark more or less influential than Patrick Maho?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Okay, so this is the hardest one. I would say
Caitlin's more influential. The NFL ratings were good with or
without Mahomes. He's winning super Bowls, he didn't have nearly
as many as Brady.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
He's clearly sometimes you're just great.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, nobody's copying Mahomes. What he does, nobody can really do.
I mean, throwing left landed all the arm angles said
Mahomes is just amazing. But I don't think you're sitting
out there and telling young quarterbacks, hey, throw left handed,
do these weird arm angles. That's not really He's just
(29:59):
an all time Unicorn, is a player.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Kaylyn'sar's a big Chiefs fan, too, big Mahomes fan.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Now, again, the word is influential. He's influencing outcomes. But
even Andy Reid got to a Super Bowl before Mahomes.
Andy Reid was a great coach before Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Couldn't win one until Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Though true, I'm not saying he's not doesn't have some influence.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Is Kaylyn Clark more or less influential than Show Hey
o'tany less?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Not that he's saved baseball. He has changed the entire
direction of baseball going to the Dodgers. Also, he is
he is global. She's a domestic star. He's an international star.
So he's basically Babe Ruth. Yeah, but better looking and better.
I mean seriously, he's like a better version of Babe Ruth. Appearance, ascetic,
(30:49):
playing pitching, and I hope everybody understands or watches it's
just insane.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Yes, last one.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Is Kaylyn Clark more or less influential than Coco Goff.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
More influential? Women's tennis has been popular forever my entire life.
I watched Billy Jean King, Chris Effertstepie Grab, Martine Novtzealova,
Serena Williams. Women's tennis has been huge, In fact, in
my lifetime. The first women's sport that was wildly popular
was women's.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Tennis because of Billy Gen Probably, well.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, absolutely so. I mean women's tenn has been popular forever.
The WNBA has been subsidized. I think the most amazing
thing about Caitlin Clark, this is fascinating. Literally six WNBA teams, yeah,
have preemptively moved their Caitlin Clark games to bigger arenas.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Does everybody understand the influence they flew.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Commercial That's the big one for me.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, she changed how she is uber for the WNBA.
She changed the transportation ecosystem in her sport.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, that's why I say.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
In my lifetime Muhammad Ali in boxing, I mean he
was the first athlete that was a huge personnelity. He
was like literally doing poems and lyrics. And then Tiger Woods,
You're like, oh my god, he's doubling ratings in purses
for all the players. And then Michael Jordan. Although Magic
(32:23):
and Bird largely are considered the guys that kind of
save the NBA, but Michael.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Make it. Michael made it global.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Like again, then there's a bunch of Then I think
Steph Curry's influence is crazy, how he literally changed.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
The math of the sport.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
Well that's her though.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, it's just a whole different ballgame. Now, this is
just me. This is my anecdotal experience. I never talked WNBA.
I don't think people that do what I do for
a living, uh Dan or steven A or we didn't
really talk WNB. I led with the WNBA half a
dozen times last year. It was a topic regularly.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
On my Showcase of one person and not saying my
show has that any influence.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I'm saying is the people that do what I do,
which is being a bunch of you know, talk media,
talk sports can select anything we want to. I mean
it was in the summer, I was talking NFL a
little baseball and Caitlyn Clark and I can monitor numbers.
People were interested. I can monitor minute to minute what
(33:33):
people watch. Nobody was going away. I mean that's why
I kept talking about it. It was like, people are
really into it. Her influence is insane. And that's why
Time Magazine, I know, they were trying to be nice.
They gave her player, they gave her Athlete of the Year.
We don't want to put her in the one hundred list.
Like guys, we're talking Taylor Swift. Here, we're talking all
(33:54):
time stuff like Taylor Swift goes to LA, sells out
seven straight SOULFI shows.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Wow.
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