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let's dive into some of your questions. Ryan, why does
bo Nicks seem to be an afterthought compared to Williams
and May? Is it purely pre draft hype or physical attributes?
He threw for over four thousand yards, thirty three combined touchdowns,
and had only one legitimate target in the passing game.
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Sudden nearly led the team in rushing and showed better
better physical tools than most thought. I know having Peyton
makes a big difference, but Nicks did a lot of
things with average skill talent. I'm expecting a big year
in twenty twenty five. Thoughts totally agree. I think sometimes
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we get really caught up early on in a I
would say a player that is controversial or polarizing and
then he has a good season, and there are people
that with much more hype that still get talked about more.
It happens a lot in sports, and obviously bo Nicks
falls under that category. But why would you care doesn't
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They can talk about Kayleb Williams all they want. Your
team was in the playoffs, right, their team was not.
You have an established coach. They're praying to God. Ben
Johnson is seventy five percent of Sean Payton, so I
would be less caught up in like what people talk about.
You guys have been really bad for a long time.
He was a last quarterback selected. It's part of the business.
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I mean, the guy draft in number one overall is
just going to get the majority of just talk. And
plus like they got two new head coaches and Ben
Johnson and Mike Frable, so it's just a little sexier
to talk about. Like, let's not forget now it wasn't
a good thing. But we talked a lot about the Broncos,
you know, two years ago with Peyton and Russell Wilson.
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So it's just you know, the momentum of a headline,
but you know, the best way to get in the
headlines win And if they have another good season like
they just did last year, and they take another step
and they have a good draft, who cares? I would
get way less caught up than like who first take
is talking about. Could you do a breakdown of different
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factors separating scouting departments across the league? We always hear
that the Eagles have a great scouting department versus the
Bengals are always shit on for their small scouting department.
Is it just size of the department? Are there certain
teams that have heavy hitters when it comes to scouts?
A league wide ranking tier list would be really interesting
from your perspective. I'll be honest, I'm not verst enough,
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Like I don't know people with every team, so and
I think the hard part about scouting is I'm sure
there are guys on in every organization that are really
good and are prominent figures to that team that we
don't hear that much about. And until you, like become
the number two right and we start kind of learning
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about you, Like Ryan Poles the Beach before he got
the job, Chris Ballard forever in Kansas City. You see
Ian Cunningham now with Ryan Poles, who was in Philadelphia, Baltimore.
Until you become that number two unless you have a
relationship with him. I mean, I have a relationship with guys,
I mean good, really close relationships on four or five teams,
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But I can't speak to the entire league in terms
of like under the radar scouts. Now, I think most
teams have somewhat of a similar setup in the sense
of you have a GM, you have essentially a number two,
and the number two, like the GM is in charge
of pro players. That means free agency, help with trades.
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The entire practice squad knows the league really well. This
was a big thing for Spytech, Like he really knew
the league. But then you also play a prominent role
in the college But you know, if you usually that guy,
it probably depends a little team to team, But for
the most part, that guy is in house. He is
not like canvassing going into different college programs throughout the year.
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Right now, he's watching those guys, but it's usually more
from like a you know, more of a twenty thousand
foot view. Now, not saying that those guys don't do
some school quote unquote calls, but they spend a lot
of time in the office with the with the GM. Now,
most teams have a director of Pro Personnel, and that
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guy's in charge of pros right, so basically him and
his staff. Some teams have one or two guys, some
teams have four or five guys evaluating the entire league.
So every single year, every single player in the league
is written up, so you have updated grades on every
single player in the league. That includes practice squad, that
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includes backups, which is easy to do for the teams
that you play because you're going to do advanced reports
for those teams. But you also have to watch every
team in the league that you don't play, and teams
in different conferences. So when those guys become free agency
free agents, when they get cut, when they become available
in trade, you're not having to do a bunch of
bunch of work, right, you're being prop if you're not
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being reactive. Now, the GM doesn't watch all those guys,
but like hey, so and so is available for trade.
These are the two grades. Here's some cutups that you
can watch in thirty forty minutes with you know the
position coach and the coordinator and the head coach if
we're interested in trading for this guy. But I think
the Bengals thing was like their scouting department. The Eagles
probably the biggest scouting department in the league, which shows,
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you know, Jeffrey Lurry spends a lot of money. But
I think the Bengals they have always utilized their coaches
as scouts. But again, like they're cheap, not necessarily just
because of the scouting department. It's been you know, this
goes back to the Carson Palmer, Mike Brown kind of
button heads. But I think most teams, you know, have
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a college side that you get four or five six
scouts that are on the road doing West Coast, the South,
the Midwest, the northeast, and then you kind of have
a guy overlooking him. So you usually have multiple executives.
One's the GM, one's the assistant GM. You have a
pro director, he's in charge of Pro. You have a
college director, he's in charge of college, but obviously the
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GM and the number two guy are in charge of
them all. So it's just I mean a lot of
cooks in the kitchen, but ultimately there's only one decision maker.
But like, for example, the Gladstone guy that was just
hired by the Jacks, I didn't really know much about him,
and clearly he played a very very prominent role for
the Rams, so we kind of all learn about him
on the fly. Now, obviously there are some people in
(08:23):
the media I'm sure that knew about him, but for
the most part, there's typically like a ground swell for
certain human beings. So before Adam Peters got the GM
job with Washington, most people that follow football, maybe not casually,
but you know, if you're a pretty big NFL fan,
you had heard that name. He was like this up
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and coming next GM Spy Tech same thing. Ian Cunningham
is now one of those guys. There are typically four
or five guys. Ed Dodds has been talked about for
a long time, you know, but that's like Adam Peters
deserved it, right. Some of these guys, same with Spy.
Some of these guys use like a media campaign blitzkrieg
(09:04):
to kind of create I mean, I know guys. I
know multiple guys in the NFL that I wouldn't hesitate
hiring that aren't just out there pounding you know, PR directors,
slash agents to push narratives through the media, right, and now,
both these guys are under forty and they'll be just fine.
They're doing well, really well financially. But like you know,
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some of these guys in coaching, you can't fake it
really right. You can use a quote unquote media pr stream,
But like, if you're a coordinator in your unit sucks,
you're not gonna get a job, right. Whereas a GM
or excuse me, an assistant GM or the number three guy,
what are they actually doing? No one really knows except
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that coaching staff and that GM, So it can become
complicated that way. But I think every team's a little
bit different. There's not like a right and a wrong
way to operate in terms of that. But the one
thing with becoming a GM is, as my guy Phil
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Savage told me a long time ago, we're not coaches.
We get one shot, typically one shot. So most coaches
Dan Quinn, Pete Carroll, you know whoever. You just go around,
Andy Reid, you have good and bad moments, you get
a second opportunity. Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Lafleur, Kevin O'Connell,
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all these guys will probably inevitably be fired, Like, I mean,
those guys are all early mid forties. Are they going
to coach for twenty twenty five more years for that team?
Probably not. I guarantee you they will all be head
coaches somewhere else. Mike Vrabel, second time head coach, Boom,
Robert Solo will probably become a head coach again. Just
the way it works, you know, Liam Cohen, unless it's
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an all time flame out, will probably get another shot.
It's why a coach told me a long time ago.
Go an assistant coach was like, why are you taking
this coordinator job? And he's like, because once you get
into the mix of coordinators, you're viewed as a coordinator,
not as a position coach. And financially, and this was
at the time when coordinators were just starting to make
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close to a million dollars, He's like, I get a
multi year million dollar contract, so I get like two
or three years, like a million dollars a year. This
was probably seven eight years ago. He's like, it changes
my whole family's life. Now that number as a coordinator
might be three years, nine million dollars. So it's like
and obviously, being a head coach Sirianni's a low paid
head coach. He's what's he making six to seven million
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dollars a year? Now he's about to get an extension.
But you know what I mean, it's like as an
assistant GM the the money's a lot different. That's why
the money for assistant coaches is pretty it's a lot.
I mean, these guys are making huge money. But you
could be the West Coast scout and worked in the
league for ten years and be making one hundred and
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twenty grand right where the equivalent of that guy as
a quarterback coach is making nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
which sucks for the scouts. Now, some of them, you know,
are doing well, and if you become the number two,
you're usually making seven hundred to a million dollars. So
it's it's a very lucrative profession. But like there's a
big difference of like you become an O line coach,
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even if you're like thirty five years old, I would
imagine minimum you're making three quarters of a million dollars.
I mean running back coaches in the SEC make five
hundred thousand dollars. I mean the money for coaches is
huge scout, you kind of got to fight a little
bit more, and there is you know, you overworked, underpaid,
right relative to how much like the equivalent. I remember
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talking with BS and with Adam Peters like six seven
years ago about like how many hours you have to
put in and he was a UCLA grad and you know,
all my cow poly guy. You know, state school, but
it's kind of a high level state school. The equivalent
if you work for a billion dollar corporation like a
bank company, and you were working the eighty ninety hours
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and you had been there for a while San Francisco
and New York, in Chicago, you'd be making a lot
of money. As a scout, like you might not make
six figures for a while as you're working your way up.
It might take you a little while. In the private sector,
you'd be hitting that pretty quickly given how much you're working.
But coaches and listen, coaches during the season work way
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more than scouts and even the gms, but the off
season for them is pretty chill. So it's six months
heavily and then six months for assistant coaches kind of
hit or miss probably one on a tangent there about
some things you didn't even ask me, but hopefully that
answered some of your question question for the mailbag, why
do you think it took you until forty to get married?
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And did you ever have the thought in your twenties
when your friends are getting married, like, damn, will this
ever happened for me? I'm in this boat right now
and thought it was fitting considering your recent marriage. I
have a lot of downfalls and a lot of issues,
like probably most people. One strength of mine, though, is
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I'm very secure about not judging myself compared to others,
and that's personally and professionally. I truly don't give a shit.
And I think when you're not as consumed of what
like whether it's family member, whether it's friends, whether it's
people around you in life, professionally, even what they're doing
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with their personal life do, I'm very unfazed. You want
to get married, you want to have children, you want
to work there, you want to like I'm a huge
believer in like you do, you ill do me. And again,
I am by no means perfect, got a lot of flaws,
a lot of issues. That is one of my biggest strengths.
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So I would say in my twenties it never. I
mean I was so dead set and ambitious and like
the football world, working my way up. It just never
or even I just very very casually dated people. And
I say, once you get in your thirties and you
start definitely having people in your life get married. My
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brother got married in twenty eighteen. He's five years younger
than me. Again, it takes two to tango, so you
don't meet anyone that you want to marry like I've
maybe I've been around enough people did, have been in
bad divorces, family friends, people close to me. I mean
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I've had countless friends and no people I went to
college with or high school with that divorce well before
forty years old. So it's like I'm not just getting
married to get married. So that's I don't know, I
just never felt I was unfazed by it. Then you
meet people and I think, as you start dating seriously
in your thirties, I definitely did not date seriously in
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my twenties, got more serious in my thirties. You realize like, yeah,
I'm not marrying this, this ain't gonna happen. But you
still dating people somewhat your age, right, I mean, women
take this shit very very seriously once they get into
the thirties, and as a guy, if you're not you
can be you'd be like, whoa this is? I don't
want this? And I just think it's a learning experience.
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It doesn't mean you know these people that you're dating
like you like a lot and you respect the shit
out of and you have a great time when you're
dating them. You just are not gonna marry them. And
maybe hell they maybe they're not gonna marry you, but
it's just not the right timing. But again, like I,
I think the faster you can get over comparing yourself
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to others, whether that's family, friends, And I'm not saying
that's easy for some people, the easier it is to
live life because those people don't wake up in bed
with you every day. Those people don't, you know, directly
deal with your everyday issues with your children, with your
complaints internally and your home. So I and I think,
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I listen, I understand a lot of people deal with that,
especially if you live around family. It can be tough
pressures coming from family or close friends. But I don't know,
maybe I was just selfish. I just didn't care. It's
so just completely unfazed that way. I'm not saying I
did the right way to do it. I mean, there
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is no right or wrong way to do it. There's
only what individuals and their own situations are, and every
single human being on this earth has a different situation
when it comes to that. If you're golfing at the Masters,
who are your pick three other players from NFL players
and coaches and why? I think someone asked me a
similar question the other day, and I think I went
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with like the star young quarterbacks because from a business standpoint,
it'd be a no brainer. There's not an easier place
to get to know someone than spending three, four or
five hours having a couple of cocktails and a golf
cart with them talking about and listen, when you're playing golf,
I end up in a lot of football situation or conversations.
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So I mean, I I think it'd be a couple
of the star quarterbacks. I mean, Mahomes isn't going anywhere.
Josh Allen loves is a golf junkie, so to me,
he'd have to be in it. If I wanted to
add a coach. Again, I look at it more from
a business standpoint, so I'd want to go. I already
know Andy, so I don't need to start a real
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like I don't know. You know. I don't think Kyle
you know, he could be in a bad mood. I
think I don't even know if Sean McVay plays golf,
but probably wouldn't be a terrible guy to know trying
to think any up and comers, you know, if you
could buy it like a stock. I don't know if
Jayden Daniels plays golf, but if Jayden Daniels likes golf,
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if he's going to have a long career and be
a star, that I wouldn't be a bad guy to
having your golf cart and get to know. So I
think it have to be either quarterbacks or younger coaches
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Question for the mailback, What football quote unquote podcast, YouTube, TV,
etca do you watch listen to? I obviously listen to yourself,
but love Schlareth McAfee, klatt and Miss Lombo's GM Shuffle.
You know, I was thinking about this the other day.
I do not consume that much football content. I watch
nothing on television regarding football. Like there's not a football
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show that I watch on television during the off season,
you know. I if you know my YouTube algorithm, if
like Daniel Jeremiah will have been on Rich Eisen Show,
or like any hits he does comes up, Obviously his
nuggets are pretty powerful. I've been clicking on McShay a
little bit some of his stuff for this draft. I
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would say I'm Miss Lombardi's show too, Like that was
really one of the only football shows I listen to
now if people have other guys on for interviews, like
just because the YouTube the Whitworth and Fitzpatrick had on
Sean McVay and Kevin O'Connell on the podcast, both those
are pretty good. Like I'll listen to stuff like that.
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I don't listen to their show necessarily, but like when
they have Kevin O'Connell on for an hour or it's
just a good listen. Same thing with McVeigh, So I'll
listen to like specific interviews. I would say with people.
One guy that I listened to pretty consistently on is
like Sports Illustrated to my YouTube feed is Albert Breer
because I in same with Diana Russini. I need people
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that are talking to other people in the league, right,
So if I'm gonna listen to you one like I
can make my opinion on stories, like I don't need
hear other people's opinions and I don't really care. So
I would say guys like you know Diana or I mean,
she's a girl. But Diana and Albert they're so dialed
in to they know every GM, they know all these
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coaches and like they just have good nuggets. So like
Breer has a lot of stuff on like the Sports
Illustrated YouTube page that he's probably keeping that company live
because you just got good nuggets. You just know shit,
And that would probably be the extent of it. Now
during the football season, you know, I'll listen to it's
(23:08):
more for entertainment, Like I like cousin s Allen Bill
to be entertained. I listen to a lot of golf content,
golf and business content, right, So it's like that's the
stuff I listen to, honestly in the off season more
than football content. Plus there's just so much I don't
even know where to start. I think there's got to
(23:31):
be something. When you talk and read and think about
it so much, sometimes I just like to get away
in the off season. For sure. In season, I'm probably
much more inclined to just listen to, you know, local
stuff to get nuggets. I watch a lot of press
conferences in season. Do you think Mike McCarthy will ever
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be a head coach again? Is it common for head
coaches to take a year off after parting ways with
their former team, then come back somewhere else or with
they get demoted to a quarterback or a skill position.
What literally happened to him? It's in Green Bay to Dallas,
took a year off, pretended to watch all the Dallas games,
and then Jerry Jones hired him. So I think I'd
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probably say it's a coin flip. I wouldn't bet one
thousand dollars that he's going to be a head coach
in twenty twenty six, but I wouldn't bet against it either, right,
just probably be a stay away. I would say he's
definitely gonna interview next year for some of these jobs.
I think it also will depend on who, Like who
else is out there? You know, Ben Johnson's now off
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the market? Are there Liam Cohen's off the market? He
would have been a guy number one target. Again, probably
who are the top guys that are in the mix?
Like would you rather hire Robert Sala or Mike McCarthy?
Like those are type questions people are going to be
asking themselves. Been listening for a while and never hear
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much about the Broncos. With that said, what are your
thoughts about the organization as they head into the future.
They look better on paper but have some serious needs.
How do you get ahead in division with such good
competition in teams, Chiefs best quarterback and coach, Chargers added
a top five coach and a quarterback with insane potential,
and the Raiders Tom Brady taking over. It's funny like
(25:18):
for a couple of years when things weren't going well
with the Russell Wilson the trade, you guys were talked
about a lot and it was all negative. Then Sehn
Payton gets there. You guys just get the train back
on the tracks. You're clearly going in the right direction.
But everything's normal, Like there's no drama. You guys don't
have I would say, really polarizing players. You don't have
crazy situations going on. I would say, you're in a
(25:41):
really good spot. Sometimes it's just okay to be just
kind of silent. You know, it's not no one's talking
about you because you're irrelevant, right, Like, no one's talking
about you because it's just nothing really going on. Negatively
and from a positive standpoint, all signs point to your
headed in the right I saw a headline the other
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day Sean Payton basically admitted, like we're gonna draft a
running back, like no shit. So I'd be pretty happy
if I were you guys a question for the mailbag. Well,
the day finally come where Mike Shanahan gets the credit
he is due and an induction into the Hall of Fame.
He has two Super Bowl as a head coach and
one as a coordinator, was part of finally getting l
(26:24):
Way over the hump and introduced the zone blocking scheme
to the NFL that continues to flourish to this day.
Do you believe his time in Washington casts a major
shadow over his credentials that many voters overlook the total
body of work. You know, I think we could debate
coaches in the merits of who gets in who doesn't
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Beside like the absolute the Bill Walsh or Bill Belichick types.
I think once you get a certain distance away like
this guy, you'd say Shanahan, who was good at the
two thousand, But I mean, truly, his career in the
nineties is what made him a Hall of Famer. Right
goes to the Niner Steve Young Super Bowl, finally gets
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Steve Young in that offense to the Super Bowl, and
then takes John Alway in the Broncos. They were unreal
in the nineties with Terrell Davis. Right, So because of
his zone blocking scheme. That's a long time ago, right,
Like when did what year did Mike Shanahan get hired
with Denver? My guest would be ninety five, Like did
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he officially take over ninety five? And then the ninety
seven ninety eight, So I just think there's a gap
and he might be in one of those situations where
he gets in way way later, which is sad. You know,
it's like, is he going to get in in ten, fifteen,
twenty years when he's dead. I saw being around the
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Raiders with Ken Stabler that finally got into the Hall
of Fame and he was dead. It's like, what are
we doing here? But it doesn't feel like he's got
momentum that's gonna take him to the Hall of Fame
right now? Fair or not? I mean, it's just one
of my I don't get caught up in situations like
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this guy for like Hall of Fames. I'd even argue
awards like I just don't care that much. If Lamar
Jackson had got the MVP, I would have disagreed. I
would have gave it to Josh. But it's like whatever,
he doesn't. If Mike Chhannan's in the Hall of fame
if he's not like it's a huge deal for him.
I'm not denying that, like for the people involved, but
I'm just saying my personal like thoughts and takes. I
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have to fake to get really worked up, I really do.
I just don't really care that much about stuff like that.
Every year for the past five years, at least one
team picking in the top five managed to make of
the playoffs in the same year. What team picking in
this year's top five do you think it's the best
chance of making the playoffs. Here are the past teams
with the top five draft pick that made it to
the playoffs. Twenty four Commanders and the Chargers because they
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drafted five, twenty three Texans second and third overall, twenty
two Jags first overall and Giants fifth overall, twenty one,
Niners third overall and Bengals fifth overall. Twenty Washington. Well,
I would say that who's drafting one the Titans. That
feels like a stretch. Two the Browns feels like a
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stretch given their quarterback situation. Three the Giants, I have
a hard time seeing that. Then the Patriots and the Jags.
I think it have to be one of those two teams.
I mean, if Trevor Lawrence could just have a solid season,
then who knows, maybe the Jags could actually fly a
little under the radar, and then obviously the you know,
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the Patriots that division. I think Miami's gonna be terrible.
If I was a betting man right now, the Dolphins
will be drafting really, really high next year. I don't
know what one overall, but I think they're more likely
to be drafted in the top five than be a
playoff team. Speak of the Dolphins, what are the odds
that Gruden will be the next coach of the Dolphins?
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Seems like a stretch question, but McDaniel's not a real
head coach. We all know that. I agree. Gruden is
getting attention from the NFL and is beloved in the
state of Florida, and my guess is he would love
to bring them back the Miami Dolphin brand that he
grew up with when he was a kid, the same
way he did with the Raiders in the nineties and
early two thousands. I think if and when they fire
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everybody in Miami and I think this year has a
chance to just be a train wreck. I mean a
train wreck that you would have to imagine he would
be in an option he's gonna want. I mean, he
wanted it with Harbaugh for a while. He's wanted sexy
coaches before and they've kind of ended up, you know,
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in a situation where they hire a really good coordinator.
But like, if you told me right now, the Dolphins
win five games and Steven Ross fires, everybody give me
your top three candidates that Steven Ross would be going after.
I would say Belichick, Gruden, and like Kirby Smart, he's
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gonna want he gonna want a name. You know, he's
gonna want a sexy name up there. So I'm in
agreement there. I would say Gruden would be in the mix.
Football question, do you think the Commanders should trade for
Trey hendricks Sin or Jalen Ramsey or do you think
it would be better to give Adam Peters a chance
to make impactful picks in the early rounds like he
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did last year, which would make us a contender. Thanks
from the Kafia big mob guy here, I would say
that what it would cost to get Hendrickson, I feel
is a little risky at thirty one years old. To me,
Miles Garrett is such a great player, no brainer, and
he's actually a little younger too, and obviously Max Crosby
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would have been worth it. I think in that situation trading,
I mean, I wouldn't give up Trey Hendrickson for minimum
of like one in a two is like the Washington
Commander is really a player away. You can also utilize
Jaden's rookie contract the next couple of years as well.
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So I would say no on that one, and Jalen
not because I wouldn't want Trey Hendrickson on my team.
Like to me, I would have come, we're getting a meeting.
It's like, hey, would you guys be willing to trade
Trey Hendrickson? That's the Bengals To me, if I'm Madam Peters,
I'm getting my number two, I'm getting Dan Quinn'm getting
the defensive coordinator, and we're having a pow wow. Jalen Ramsey,
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I don't even need to really tell Dan that's I'm
hanging up. You mean, the guy that we all kind
of know has been showing up late that you don't want,
that didn't ask for a trade, that you're trying to
kick out, that for the first time in his career,
didn't make a Pro Bow last year and makes a
ton of money. Not Doug, We're good. We also just
traded for a corner. Now, over the last five years,
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I'd rather have Jalen Ramsey than Latimore, But in twenty
twenty five, Latimore's on my team, and two I'm just
not trading for Jalen Ramsey. Is Kyle the next Andy Reid?
Your last pod got me thinking He's been at the
Super Bowl but could never get over the hump. Has
mostly had a good not great quarterback. Is it possible
the Niners will eventually let him go the same way
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Philly let Andy go and he flourishes with his next team. Yeah?
I mean is Kevin Garnett once said anything as possible?
Is he gonna win a Super Bowl with Brock Purty, Well,
you would say two years ago he had his opportunity
and he fell up short. Now, unlike Andy, I think
Andy only went to one Super Bowl and Philly Kyle's
been to two and was leading in both. So Andy
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maintained winning for a long time. Right, He didn't get fired,
I think till his fourteenth year in Philadelphia. But he
he just had come off an eight and eight and
then I think a four and twelve season, So does
Kyle have like another bad season? I think here's the
thing is the Eagles, clearly the owner was very, very
into like the two guys they went after when they
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fired Andy, Bill O'Brien turned down the job because he
had just got to Penn State and he felt kind
of obligated to help clean up the situation after paternal
mess in Sandusky and then Chip Kelly, so like they
were on two guys that Bill O'Brien was a huge
top candidate around football and Chip literally had just turned
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down the Bucks job after he accepted it the previous year.
He's like the number one candidate on the market. Aged
a little poorly, but that's a fact at the time,
and it was a really big deal when he got hired,
Like who is that guy? Now? Who am I firing
Kyle Shanahan to hire? Because listen, I will entertain like
if he has another six to seven wins season, like
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let's says football, he'd get immediately hired. But I would
understand people not being happy. But who are you going
to replace him with? Who are you going to replace
him with? And the answer is there isn't really one,
Like I can't hire a seventy five year old Belichick.
Who's you know, who's like does his girlfriend get to
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come to speaking of Belichick? Maybe I subconsciously I kind
of saw it in my peripheral vision here and that's
why I said his name, But like, I don't who
are the other names? Like you're hiring next year's Liam
Cohen to take over for Kyle. I'm a big college
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football fan, and I'm excited to see how Belichick does
North Carolina. In your opinion, what would success look like
for him in his first year? Is there a benchmark
benchmark number of wins or recruiting finish. Do you think
that he has actually committed to coaching at the college
level or is this just something that will fill the
time assuming he is reasonably successful. Is it a possibility
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that he is at un and C for more than
a year or two. I just don't believe Bill would
stick around in college for any teams that came knocking.
What do you think? I'm just not sure At this
point in time, he's getting hired back in the NFL
ever again, so I think there's a fair chance that
like that ship is sailed. Like I know, they love
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to say that. I'm trying to look for his team
North Carolina. I'm trying to look at their schedule. I
don't think anyone's ever hired him in the NFL again.
Now he goes ten to two or he does something
like that, he would be back in the mix. But
like to me, a successful season was a record. Last year,
they were tenth in the ACC, so they weren't very good.
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Eight and four is that pretty good? So they open
with TCU at home at Charlotte Richmond UCF, so I
think it's fair. Anything less than like a three to
one start would be a letdown. Then he gets Clemson. Okay,
I'm gonna go lost there. Cal just had like six
guys transfer, so he should beat Cal. Now it's at Cal,
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long road trip. It bills down that Virginia at Syracuse, Stanford,
Wake Forest, Duke, North Carolina State. Seems like a pretty
manageable schedule. I would say eight to nine wins is realistic.
Recruiting rankings are hard to tell. Now with nil, what's good?
What's bad? Is Russell Wilson a first ballot Hall of Famer.
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I'm a lifelong Hawks fan, so answer to me is
a resounding yes. But I've seen this topic of convo
on my feed a lot lately in opinions are pretty split.
I would think a Super Bowl ring should have been
to ten Pro Bowls. Passer rating of a three hundred
and fifty touchdowns and one hundred and eleven interceptions would
make it obvious. What are your thoughts five years ago?
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I would have said a no brainer. Now when you
say the word first ballot, like, I gotta hesitate on
that one a little bit, you know. I think he
definitely had a five year span where he was a
pretty special player, right, but that second Super Bowl would
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have made him a no doubter. It's gone pretty weird
the last four or five years. I mean, it's getting
really weird, and I think first ballot's off the table.
So he won the Walter Payton Man of the Year
in twenty you know, sometimes with the Pro Bowls, obviously
some of these he was a first ballot Pro Bowl guy,
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But are some of these trying to think of the NFC.
You had a couple good Stafford years obviously had Rogers
all those years. He had Drew Brees all those years.
Jared Goff had a couple, you know, in the late
twenty tens. I'd have to go back and look who
this Cam Newton. He was a second team All Pro
one time in nineteen. Yeah, I don't think he's a
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first ballot, so I would say no on that, No
on first ballot. Packers fan from Ireland here, congrats on
the wedding, non football question related. I'm headed to Philly
for the summer to work. I know you spent a
few years in Philadelphia, So what are some of the
must see spots things to do there? Touristy or non touristy.
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You know what's funny is like some people ask me
about my time there, and obviously I went out a
little bit, like with some of my buddies that worked
on the staff. But I spent so much time at
that facility, and I wasn't exactly flush with cash, so
in terms of like checking out the restaurants, I ate
the facility. I would say ninety percent of my time there,
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and if I wasn't near the facility, it was like
subway or something. I did not lead like a life
that was very cultured in Philly. Beside my second year,
I lived right behind the Art Museum, which has the
steps where Rocky ran up, so I would say, Downtown's
pretty cool. You know Pats Gino's. I always like Tony Luke's.
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There was this deli right by Chickis and Pete's, kind
of by where the stadium is that I thought had
like the best turkey sandwich I've ever had. I think
it was the bread. But like I don't know, you know,
King of Prussia mall I. I probably didn't do as
much as I should have when I was there. It
wasn't like I was like, let's go see where Benjamin
Franklin signed the Constitution by the Liberty Bill. So you're
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probably asking, you know, I go see the Novacare Novacare School,
go to Phillies game, past Genos. Let me just say
you did. It would probably be my recommendation. But before
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we're discussing the challenge face by I think it's two teams.
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in a division with Lamar Jackson who's won multiple MVP
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like you could be crappy for the next couple of
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So you better think long and hard about like should
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same thing with the Giants. You're in a division now
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before he won the Super Bowl, when you said Jalen
Hurts best game of his career, it was also in
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And listen, we can debate this guy all we want.
Dak Prescott. The Giants would sell their left leg to
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If you're Brian day Ball who's coaching for his job
and Joe Shane is GMing for his job with Russell
Wilson and Jameis Winston with Tommy Devido in the room,
like that, that's what you're gonna do. You're drafting number
three overall. I just think that these teams, the discussions
they're having and I listen, you can say owners medal,
they shouldn't not get involved. If I was Jimmy Haslam
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or I was the Maras or the Tishes or whatever, like,
are we sure, guys? And this isn't just about getting
Shador and getting the names up, and like you can
even bring up the other quarterbacks, like are we sure?
Because the hit raid on guys in the second and
third round for every guy like an Andy Dalton. This
starts for a long time. There are a lot of
guys that you couldn't even think about because they never
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played and they weren't any good. And our careers feel
like they're on the line here, especially through the Browns,
like you have a good team, like you have really
good players, and Travis Hunh just had one of the
most remarkable seasons you'll ever see in college, and who knows,
maybe ends up playing both ways in the pros that
would be even more remarkable. Who's playing quarterback for you?
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Joe Flacco? Can he Pikett? I just think that these
meetings that these teams, those two specifically are having their coach,
the GM and the owner. And we saw last year
with Hard Knocks, when they were all powowing there in
Joe Shane's office with the owner, and it was just like,
are we sure, guys? And I think it is very
fair for both those owners who even if they are
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desperately trying to be hands off, Are we sure, boys,
this is what we want to do. This is the
right decision because if we take one of these players, awesome,
it's cool. But if we got no quarterback, that guy
could be an all rookie player and it won't mean
a damn thing because we're gonna get our ass kicked
more often than not come Sunday because we don't have
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a good quarterback play. So I think the challenge of
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let's dive into some of your questions. Ryan, why does
bo Nicks seem to be an afterthought compared to Williams
and May? Is it purely pre draft hype or physical attributes?
He threw for over four thousand yards, thirty three combined touchdowns,
and had only one legitimate target in the passing game.
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Sudden nearly led the team in rushing and showed better
better physical tools than most thought. I know having Peyton
makes a big difference, but Nicks did a lot of
things with average skill talent. I'm expecting a big year
in twenty twenty five. Thoughts totally agree. I think sometimes
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we get really caught up early on in a I
would say a player that is controversial or polarizing and
then he has a good season, and there are people
that with much more hype that still get talked about more.
It happens a lot in sports, and obviously bo Nicks
falls under that category. But why would you care doesn't
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They can talk about Kayleb Williams all they want. Your
team was in the playoffs, right, their team was not.
You have an established coach. They're praying to God. Ben
Johnson is seventy five percent of Sean Payton, so I
would be less caught up in like what people talk about.
You guys have been really bad for a long time.
He was a last quarterback selected. It's part of the business.
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I mean, the guy draft in number one overall is
just going to get the majority of just talk. And
plus like they got two new head coaches and Ben
Johnson and Mike Frable, so it's just a little sexier
to talk about. Like, let's not forget now it wasn't
a good thing. But we talked a lot about the Broncos,
you know, two years ago with Peyton and Russell Wilson.
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So it's just you know, the momentum of a headline,
but you know, the best way to get in the
headlines win And if they have another good season like
they just did last year, and they take another step
and they have a good draft, who cares? I would
get way less caught up than like who first take
is talking about. Could you do a breakdown of different
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factors separating scouting departments across the league? We always hear
that the Eagles have a great scouting department versus the
Bengals are always shit on for their small scouting department.
Is it just size of the department? Are there certain
teams that have heavy hitters when it comes to scouts?
A league wide ranking tier list would be really interesting
from your perspective. I'll be honest, I'm not verst enough,
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Like I don't know people with every team, so and
I think the hard part about scouting is I'm sure
there are guys on in every organization that are really
good and are prominent figures to that team that we
don't hear that much about. And until you, like become
the number two right and we start kind of learning
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about you, Like Ryan Poles the Beach before he got
the job, Chris Ballard forever in Kansas City. You see
Ian Cunningham now with Ryan Poles, who was in Philadelphia, Baltimore.
Until you become that number two unless you have a
relationship with him. I mean, I have a relationship with guys,
I mean good, really close relationships on four or five teams,
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But I can't speak to the entire league in terms
of like under the radar scouts. Now, I think most
teams have somewhat of a similar setup in the sense
of you have a GM, you have essentially a number two,
and the number two, like the GM is in charge
of pro players. That means free agency, help with trades.
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The entire practice squad knows the league really well. This
was a big thing for Spytech, Like he really knew
the league. But then you also play a prominent role
in the college But you know, if you usually that guy,
it probably depends a little team to team, But for
the most part, that guy is in house. He is
not like canvassing going into different college programs throughout the year.
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Right now, he's watching those guys, but it's usually more
from like a you know, more of a twenty thousand
foot view. Now, not saying that those guys don't do
some school quote unquote calls, but they spend a lot
of time in the office with the with the GM. Now,
most teams have a director of Pro Personnel, and that
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guy's in charge of pros right, so basically him and
his staff. Some teams have one or two guys, some
teams have four or five guys evaluating the entire league.
So every single year, every single player in the league
is written up, so you have updated grades on every
single player in the league. That includes practice squad, that
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includes backups, which is easy to do for the teams
that you play because you're going to do advanced reports
for those teams. But you also have to watch every
team in the league that you don't play, and teams
in different conferences. So when those guys become free agency
free agents, when they get cut, when they become available
in trade, you're not having to do a bunch of
bunch of work, right, you're being prop if you're not
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being reactive. Now, the GM doesn't watch all those guys,
but like hey, so and so is available for trade.
These are the two grades. Here's some cutups that you
can watch in thirty forty minutes with you know the
position coach and the coordinator and the head coach if
we're interested in trading for this guy. But I think
the Bengals thing was like their scouting department. The Eagles
probably the biggest scouting department in the league, which shows,
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you know, Jeffrey Lurry spends a lot of money. But
I think the Bengals they have always utilized their coaches
as scouts. But again, like they're cheap, not necessarily just
because of the scouting department. It's been you know, this
goes back to the Carson Palmer, Mike Brown kind of
button heads. But I think most teams, you know, have
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a college side that you get four or five six
scouts that are on the road doing West Coast, the South,
the Midwest, the northeast, and then you kind of have
a guy overlooking him. So you usually have multiple executives.
One's the GM, one's the assistant GM. You have a
pro director, he's in charge of Pro. You have a
college director, he's in charge of college, but obviously the
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GM and the number two guy are in charge of
them all. So it's just I mean a lot of
cooks in the kitchen, but ultimately there's only one decision maker.
But like, for example, the Gladstone guy that was just
hired by the Jacks, I didn't really know much about him,
and clearly he played a very very prominent role for
the Rams, so we kind of all learn about him
on the fly. Now, obviously there are some people in
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the media I'm sure that knew about him, but for
the most part, there's typically like a ground swell for
certain human beings. So before Adam Peters got the GM
job with Washington, most people that follow football, maybe not casually,
but you know, if you're a pretty big NFL fan,
you had heard that name. He was like this up
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and coming next GM Spy Tech same thing. Ian Cunningham
is now one of those guys. There are typically four
or five guys. Ed Dodds has been talked about for
a long time, you know, but that's like Adam Peters
deserved it, right. Some of these guys, same with Spy.
Some of these guys use like a media campaign blitzkrieg
(09:04):
to kind of create I mean, I know guys. I
know multiple guys in the NFL that I wouldn't hesitate
hiring that aren't just out there pounding you know, PR directors,
slash agents to push narratives through the media, right, and now,
both these guys are under forty and they'll be just fine.
They're doing well, really well financially. But like you know,
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some of these guys in coaching, you can't fake it
really right. You can use a quote unquote media pr stream,
But like, if you're a coordinator in your unit sucks,
you're not gonna get a job, right. Whereas a GM
or excuse me, an assistant GM or the number three guy,
what are they actually doing? No one really knows except
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that coaching staff and that GM, So it can become
complicated that way. But I think every team's a little
bit different. There's not like a right and a wrong
way to operate in terms of that. But the one
thing with becoming a GM is, as my guy Phil
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Savage told me a long time ago, we're not coaches.
We get one shot, typically one shot. So most coaches
Dan Quinn, Pete Carroll, you know whoever. You just go around,
Andy Reid, you have good and bad moments, you get
a second opportunity. Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Lafleur, Kevin O'Connell,
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all these guys will probably inevitably be fired, Like, I mean,
those guys are all early mid forties. Are they going
to coach for twenty twenty five more years for that team?
Probably not. I guarantee you they will all be head
coaches somewhere else. Mike Vrabel, second time head coach, Boom,
Robert Solo will probably become a head coach again. Just
the way it works, you know, Liam Cohen, unless it's
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an all time flame out, will probably get another shot.
It's why a coach told me a long time ago.
Go an assistant coach was like, why are you taking
this coordinator job? And he's like, because once you get
into the mix of coordinators, you're viewed as a coordinator,
not as a position coach. And financially, and this was
at the time when coordinators were just starting to make
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close to a million dollars, He's like, I get a
multi year million dollar contract, so I get like two
or three years, like a million dollars a year. This
was probably seven eight years ago. He's like, it changes
my whole family's life. Now that number as a coordinator
might be three years, nine million dollars. So it's like
and obviously, being a head coach Sirianni's a low paid
head coach. He's what's he making six to seven million
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dollars a year? Now he's about to get an extension.
But you know what I mean, it's like as an
assistant GM the the money's a lot different. That's why
the money for assistant coaches is pretty it's a lot.
I mean, these guys are making huge money. But you
could be the West Coast scout and worked in the
league for ten years and be making one hundred and
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twenty grand right where the equivalent of that guy as
a quarterback coach is making nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
which sucks for the scouts. Now, some of them, you know,
are doing well, and if you become the number two,
you're usually making seven hundred to a million dollars. So
it's it's a very lucrative profession. But like there's a
big difference of like you become an O line coach,
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even if you're like thirty five years old, I would
imagine minimum you're making three quarters of a million dollars.
I mean running back coaches in the SEC make five
hundred thousand dollars. I mean the money for coaches is
huge scout, you kind of got to fight a little
bit more, and there is you know, you overworked, underpaid,
right relative to how much like the equivalent. I remember
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talking with BS and with Adam Peters like six seven
years ago about like how many hours you have to
put in and he was a UCLA grad and you know,
all my cow poly guy. You know, state school, but
it's kind of a high level state school. The equivalent
if you work for a billion dollar corporation like a
bank company, and you were working the eighty ninety hours
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and you had been there for a while San Francisco
and New York, in Chicago, you'd be making a lot
of money. As a scout, like you might not make
six figures for a while as you're working your way up.
It might take you a little while. In the private sector,
you'd be hitting that pretty quickly given how much you're working.
But coaches and listen, coaches during the season work way
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more than scouts and even the gms, but the off
season for them is pretty chill. So it's six months
heavily and then six months for assistant coaches kind of
hit or miss probably one on a tangent there about
some things you didn't even ask me, but hopefully that
answered some of your question question for the mailbag, why
do you think it took you until forty to get married?
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And did you ever have the thought in your twenties
when your friends are getting married, like, damn, will this
ever happened for me? I'm in this boat right now
and thought it was fitting considering your recent marriage. I
have a lot of downfalls and a lot of issues,
like probably most people. One strength of mine, though, is
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I'm very secure about not judging myself compared to others,
and that's personally and professionally. I truly don't give a shit.
And I think when you're not as consumed of what
like whether it's family member, whether it's friends, whether it's
people around you in life, professionally, even what they're doing
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with their personal life do, I'm very unfazed. You want
to get married, you want to have children, you want
to work there, you want to like I'm a huge
believer in like you do, you ill do me. And again,
I am by no means perfect, got a lot of flaws,
a lot of issues. That is one of my biggest strengths.
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So I would say in my twenties it never. I
mean I was so dead set and ambitious and like
the football world, working my way up. It just never
or even I just very very casually dated people. And
I say, once you get in your thirties and you
start definitely having people in your life get married. My
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brother got married in twenty eighteen. He's five years younger
than me. Again, it takes two to tango, so you
don't meet anyone that you want to marry like I've
maybe I've been around enough people did, have been in
bad divorces, family friends, people close to me. I mean
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I've had countless friends and no people I went to
college with or high school with that divorce well before
forty years old. So it's like I'm not just getting
married to get married. So that's I don't know, I
just never felt I was unfazed by it. Then you
meet people and I think, as you start dating seriously
in your thirties, I definitely did not date seriously in
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my twenties, got more serious in my thirties. You realize like, yeah,
I'm not marrying this, this ain't gonna happen. But you
still dating people somewhat your age, right, I mean, women
take this shit very very seriously once they get into
the thirties, and as a guy, if you're not you
can be you'd be like, whoa this is? I don't
want this? And I just think it's a learning experience.
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It doesn't mean you know these people that you're dating
like you like a lot and you respect the shit
out of and you have a great time when you're
dating them. You just are not gonna marry them. And
maybe hell they maybe they're not gonna marry you, but
it's just not the right timing. But again, like I,
I think the faster you can get over comparing yourself
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to others, whether that's family, friends, And I'm not saying
that's easy for some people, the easier it is to
live life because those people don't wake up in bed
with you every day. Those people don't, you know, directly
deal with your everyday issues with your children, with your
complaints internally and your home. So I and I think,
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I listen, I understand a lot of people deal with that,
especially if you live around family. It can be tough
pressures coming from family or close friends. But I don't know,
maybe I was just selfish. I just didn't care. It's
so just completely unfazed that way. I'm not saying I
did the right way to do it. I mean, there
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is no right or wrong way to do it. There's
only what individuals and their own situations are, and every
single human being on this earth has a different situation
when it comes to that. If you're golfing at the Masters,
who are your pick three other players from NFL players
and coaches and why? I think someone asked me a
similar question the other day, and I think I went
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with like the star young quarterbacks because from a business standpoint,
it'd be a no brainer. There's not an easier place
to get to know someone than spending three, four or
five hours having a couple of cocktails and a golf
cart with them talking about and listen, when you're playing golf,
I end up in a lot of football situation or conversations.
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So I mean, I I think it'd be a couple
of the star quarterbacks. I mean, Mahomes isn't going anywhere.
Josh Allen loves is a golf junkie, so to me,
he'd have to be in it. If I wanted to
add a coach. Again, I look at it more from
a business standpoint, so I'd want to go. I already
know Andy, so I don't need to start a real
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like I don't know. You know. I don't think Kyle
you know, he could be in a bad mood. I
think I don't even know if Sean McVay plays golf,
but probably wouldn't be a terrible guy to know trying
to think any up and comers, you know, if you
could buy it like a stock. I don't know if
Jayden Daniels plays golf, but if Jayden Daniels likes golf,
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if he's going to have a long career and be
a star, that I wouldn't be a bad guy to
having your golf cart and get to know. So I
think it have to be either quarterbacks or younger coaches
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Question for the mailback, What football quote unquote podcast, YouTube, TV,
etca do you watch listen to? I obviously listen to yourself,
but love Schlareth McAfee, klatt and Miss Lombo's GM Shuffle.
You know, I was thinking about this the other day.
I do not consume that much football content. I watch
nothing on television regarding football. Like there's not a football
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show that I watch on television during the off season,
you know. I if you know my YouTube algorithm, if
like Daniel Jeremiah will have been on Rich Eisen Show,
or like any hits he does comes up, Obviously his
nuggets are pretty powerful. I've been clicking on McShay a
little bit some of his stuff for this draft. I
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would say I'm Miss Lombardi's show too, Like that was
really one of the only football shows I listen to
now if people have other guys on for interviews, like
just because the YouTube the Whitworth and Fitzpatrick had on
Sean McVay and Kevin O'Connell on the podcast, both those
are pretty good. Like I'll listen to stuff like that.
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I don't listen to their show necessarily, but like when
they have Kevin O'Connell on for an hour or it's
just a good listen. Same thing with McVeigh, So I'll
listen to like specific interviews. I would say with people.
One guy that I listened to pretty consistently on is
like Sports Illustrated to my YouTube feed is Albert Breer
because I in same with Diana Russini. I need people
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that are talking to other people in the league, right,
So if I'm gonna listen to you one like I
can make my opinion on stories, like I don't need
hear other people's opinions and I don't really care. So
I would say guys like you know Diana or I mean,
she's a girl. But Diana and Albert they're so dialed
in to they know every GM, they know all these
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coaches and like they just have good nuggets. So like
Breer has a lot of stuff on like the Sports
Illustrated YouTube page that he's probably keeping that company live
because you just got good nuggets. You just know shit,
And that would probably be the extent of it. Now
during the football season, you know, I'll listen to it's
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more for entertainment, Like I like cousin s Allen Bill
to be entertained. I listen to a lot of golf content,
golf and business content, right, So it's like that's the
stuff I listen to, honestly in the off season more
than football content. Plus there's just so much I don't
even know where to start. I think there's got to
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be something. When you talk and read and think about
it so much, sometimes I just like to get away
in the off season. For sure. In season, I'm probably
much more inclined to just listen to, you know, local
stuff to get nuggets. I watch a lot of press
conferences in season. Do you think Mike McCarthy will ever
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be a head coach again? Is it common for head
coaches to take a year off after parting ways with
their former team, then come back somewhere else or with
they get demoted to a quarterback or a skill position.
What literally happened to him? It's in Green Bay to Dallas,
took a year off, pretended to watch all the Dallas games,
and then Jerry Jones hired him. So I think I'd
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probably say it's a coin flip. I wouldn't bet one
thousand dollars that he's going to be a head coach
in twenty twenty six, but I wouldn't bet against it either, right,
just probably be a stay away. I would say he's
definitely gonna interview next year for some of these jobs.
I think it also will depend on who, Like who
else is out there? You know, Ben Johnson's now off
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the market? Are there Liam Cohen's off the market? He
would have been a guy number one target. Again, probably
who are the top guys that are in the mix?
Like would you rather hire Robert Sala or Mike McCarthy?
Like those are type questions people are going to be
asking themselves. Been listening for a while and never hear
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much about the Broncos. With that said, what are your
thoughts about the organization as they head into the future.
They look better on paper but have some serious needs.
How do you get ahead in division with such good
competition in teams, Chiefs best quarterback and coach, Chargers added
a top five coach and a quarterback with insane potential,
and the Raiders Tom Brady taking over. It's funny like
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for a couple of years when things weren't going well
with the Russell Wilson the trade, you guys were talked
about a lot and it was all negative. Then Sehn
Payton gets there. You guys just get the train back
on the tracks. You're clearly going in the right direction.
But everything's normal, Like there's no drama. You guys don't
have I would say, really polarizing players. You don't have
crazy situations going on. I would say, you're in a
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really good spot. Sometimes it's just okay to be just
kind of silent. You know, it's not no one's talking
about you because you're irrelevant, right, Like, no one's talking
about you because it's just nothing really going on. Negatively
and from a positive standpoint, all signs point to your
headed in the right I saw a headline the other
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day Sean Payton basically admitted, like we're gonna draft a
running back, like no shit. So I'd be pretty happy
if I were you guys a question for the mailbag. Well,
the day finally come where Mike Shanahan gets the credit
he is due and an induction into the Hall of Fame.
He has two Super Bowl as a head coach and
one as a coordinator, was part of finally getting l
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Way over the hump and introduced the zone blocking scheme
to the NFL that continues to flourish to this day.
Do you believe his time in Washington casts a major
shadow over his credentials that many voters overlook the total
body of work. You know, I think we could debate
coaches in the merits of who gets in who doesn't
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Beside like the absolute the Bill Walsh or Bill Belichick types.
I think once you get a certain distance away like
this guy, you'd say Shanahan, who was good at the
two thousand, But I mean, truly, his career in the
nineties is what made him a Hall of Famer. Right
goes to the Niner Steve Young Super Bowl, finally gets
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Steve Young in that offense to the Super Bowl, and
then takes John Alway in the Broncos. They were unreal
in the nineties with Terrell Davis. Right, So because of
his zone blocking scheme. That's a long time ago, right,
Like when did what year did Mike Shanahan get hired
with Denver? My guest would be ninety five, Like did
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he officially take over ninety five? And then the ninety
seven ninety eight, So I just think there's a gap
and he might be in one of those situations where
he gets in way way later, which is sad. You know,
it's like, is he going to get in in ten, fifteen,
twenty years when he's dead. I saw being around the
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Raiders with Ken Stabler that finally got into the Hall
of Fame and he was dead. It's like, what are
we doing here? But it doesn't feel like he's got
momentum that's gonna take him to the Hall of Fame
right now? Fair or not? I mean, it's just one
of my I don't get caught up in situations like
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this guy for like Hall of Fames. I'd even argue
awards like I just don't care that much. If Lamar
Jackson had got the MVP, I would have disagreed. I
would have gave it to Josh. But it's like whatever,
he doesn't. If Mike Chhannan's in the Hall of fame
if he's not like it's a huge deal for him.
I'm not denying that, like for the people involved, but
I'm just saying my personal like thoughts and takes. I
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have to fake to get really worked up, I really do.
I just don't really care that much about stuff like that.
Every year for the past five years, at least one
team picking in the top five managed to make of
the playoffs in the same year. What team picking in
this year's top five do you think it's the best
chance of making the playoffs. Here are the past teams
with the top five draft pick that made it to
the playoffs. Twenty four Commanders and the Chargers because they
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drafted five, twenty three Texans second and third overall, twenty
two Jags first overall and Giants fifth overall, twenty one,
Niners third overall and Bengals fifth overall. Twenty Washington. Well,
I would say that who's drafting one the Titans. That
feels like a stretch. Two the Browns feels like a
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stretch given their quarterback situation. Three the Giants, I have
a hard time seeing that. Then the Patriots and the Jags.
I think it have to be one of those two teams.
I mean, if Trevor Lawrence could just have a solid season,
then who knows, maybe the Jags could actually fly a
little under the radar, and then obviously the you know,
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the Patriots that division. I think Miami's gonna be terrible.
If I was a betting man right now, the Dolphins
will be drafting really, really high next year. I don't
know what one overall, but I think they're more likely
to be drafted in the top five than be a
playoff team. Speak of the Dolphins, what are the odds
that Gruden will be the next coach of the Dolphins?
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Seems like a stretch question, but McDaniel's not a real
head coach. We all know that. I agree. Gruden is
getting attention from the NFL and is beloved in the
state of Florida, and my guess is he would love
to bring them back the Miami Dolphin brand that he
grew up with when he was a kid, the same
way he did with the Raiders in the nineties and
early two thousands. I think if and when they fire
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everybody in Miami and I think this year has a
chance to just be a train wreck. I mean a
train wreck that you would have to imagine he would
be in an option he's gonna want. I mean, he
wanted it with Harbaugh for a while. He's wanted sexy
coaches before and they've kind of ended up, you know,
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in a situation where they hire a really good coordinator.
But like, if you told me right now, the Dolphins
win five games and Steven Ross fires, everybody give me
your top three candidates that Steven Ross would be going after.
I would say Belichick, Gruden, and like Kirby Smart, he's
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gonna want he gonna want a name. You know, he's
gonna want a sexy name up there. So I'm in
agreement there. I would say Gruden would be in the mix.
Football question, do you think the Commanders should trade for
Trey hendricks Sin or Jalen Ramsey or do you think
it would be better to give Adam Peters a chance
to make impactful picks in the early rounds like he
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did last year, which would make us a contender. Thanks
from the Kafia big mob guy here, I would say
that what it would cost to get Hendrickson, I feel
is a little risky at thirty one years old. To me,
Miles Garrett is such a great player, no brainer, and
he's actually a little younger too, and obviously Max Crosby
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would have been worth it. I think in that situation trading,
I mean, I wouldn't give up Trey Hendrickson for minimum
of like one in a two is like the Washington
Commander is really a player away. You can also utilize
Jaden's rookie contract the next couple of years as well.
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So I would say no on that one, and Jalen
not because I wouldn't want Trey Hendrickson on my team.
Like to me, I would have come, we're getting a meeting.
It's like, hey, would you guys be willing to trade
Trey Hendrickson? That's the Bengals To me, if I'm Madam Peters,
I'm getting my number two, I'm getting Dan Quinn'm getting
the defensive coordinator, and we're having a pow wow. Jalen Ramsey,
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I don't even need to really tell Dan that's I'm
hanging up. You mean, the guy that we all kind
of know has been showing up late that you don't want,
that didn't ask for a trade, that you're trying to
kick out, that for the first time in his career,
didn't make a Pro Bow last year and makes a
ton of money. Not Doug, We're good. We also just
traded for a corner. Now, over the last five years,
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I'd rather have Jalen Ramsey than Latimore, But in twenty
twenty five, Latimore's on my team, and two I'm just
not trading for Jalen Ramsey. Is Kyle the next Andy Reid?
Your last pod got me thinking He's been at the
Super Bowl but could never get over the hump. Has
mostly had a good not great quarterback. Is it possible
the Niners will eventually let him go the same way
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Philly let Andy go and he flourishes with his next team. Yeah?
I mean is Kevin Garnett once said anything as possible?
Is he gonna win a Super Bowl with Brock Purty, Well,
you would say two years ago he had his opportunity
and he fell up short. Now, unlike Andy, I think
Andy only went to one Super Bowl and Philly Kyle's
been to two and was leading in both. So Andy
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maintained winning for a long time. Right, He didn't get fired,
I think till his fourteenth year in Philadelphia. But he
he just had come off an eight and eight and
then I think a four and twelve season, So does
Kyle have like another bad season? I think here's the
thing is the Eagles, clearly the owner was very, very
into like the two guys they went after when they
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fired Andy, Bill O'Brien turned down the job because he
had just got to Penn State and he felt kind
of obligated to help clean up the situation after paternal
mess in Sandusky and then Chip Kelly, so like they
were on two guys that Bill O'Brien was a huge
top candidate around football and Chip literally had just turned
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down the Bucks job after he accepted it the previous year.
He's like the number one candidate on the market. Aged
a little poorly, but that's a fact at the time,
and it was a really big deal when he got hired,
Like who is that guy? Now? Who am I firing
Kyle Shanahan to hire? Because listen, I will entertain like
if he has another six to seven wins season, like
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let's says football, he'd get immediately hired. But I would
understand people not being happy. But who are you going
to replace him with? Who are you going to replace
him with? And the answer is there isn't really one,
Like I can't hire a seventy five year old Belichick.
Who's you know, who's like does his girlfriend get to
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come to speaking of Belichick? Maybe I subconsciously I kind
of saw it in my peripheral vision here and that's
why I said his name, But like, I don't who
are the other names? Like you're hiring next year's Liam
Cohen to take over for Kyle. I'm a big college
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football fan, and I'm excited to see how Belichick does
North Carolina. In your opinion, what would success look like
for him in his first year? Is there a benchmark
benchmark number of wins or recruiting finish. Do you think
that he has actually committed to coaching at the college
level or is this just something that will fill the
time assuming he is reasonably successful. Is it a possibility
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that he is at un and C for more than
a year or two. I just don't believe Bill would
stick around in college for any teams that came knocking.
What do you think? I'm just not sure At this
point in time, he's getting hired back in the NFL
ever again, so I think there's a fair chance that
like that ship is sailed. Like I know, they love
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to say that. I'm trying to look for his team
North Carolina. I'm trying to look at their schedule. I
don't think anyone's ever hired him in the NFL again.
Now he goes ten to two or he does something
like that, he would be back in the mix. But
like to me, a successful season was a record. Last year,
they were tenth in the ACC, so they weren't very good.
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Eight and four is that pretty good? So they open
with TCU at home at Charlotte Richmond UCF, so I
think it's fair. Anything less than like a three to
one start would be a letdown. Then he gets Clemson. Okay,
I'm gonna go lost there. Cal just had like six
guys transfer, so he should beat Cal. Now it's at Cal,
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long road trip. It bills down that Virginia at Syracuse, Stanford,
Wake Forest, Duke, North Carolina State. Seems like a pretty
manageable schedule. I would say eight to nine wins is realistic.
Recruiting rankings are hard to tell. Now with nil, what's good?
What's bad? Is Russell Wilson a first ballot Hall of Famer.
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I'm a lifelong Hawks fan, so answer to me is
a resounding yes. But I've seen this topic of convo
on my feed a lot lately in opinions are pretty split.
I would think a Super Bowl ring should have been
to ten Pro Bowls. Passer rating of a three hundred
and fifty touchdowns and one hundred and eleven interceptions would
make it obvious. What are your thoughts five years ago?
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I would have said a no brainer. Now when you
say the word first ballot, like, I gotta hesitate on
that one a little bit, you know. I think he
definitely had a five year span where he was a
pretty special player, right, but that second Super Bowl would
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have made him a no doubter. It's gone pretty weird
the last four or five years. I mean, it's getting
really weird, and I think first ballot's off the table.
So he won the Walter Payton Man of the Year
in twenty you know, sometimes with the Pro Bowls, obviously
some of these he was a first ballot Pro Bowl guy,
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But are some of these trying to think of the NFC.
You had a couple good Stafford years obviously had Rogers
all those years. He had Drew Brees all those years.
Jared Goff had a couple, you know, in the late
twenty tens. I'd have to go back and look who
this Cam Newton. He was a second team All Pro
one time in nineteen. Yeah, I don't think he's a
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first ballot, so I would say no on that, No
on first ballot. Packers fan from Ireland here, congrats on
the wedding, non football question related. I'm headed to Philly
for the summer to work. I know you spent a
few years in Philadelphia, So what are some of the
must see spots things to do there? Touristy or non touristy.
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You know what's funny is like some people ask me
about my time there, and obviously I went out a
little bit, like with some of my buddies that worked
on the staff. But I spent so much time at
that facility, and I wasn't exactly flush with cash, so
in terms of like checking out the restaurants, I ate
the facility. I would say ninety percent of my time there,
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and if I wasn't near the facility, it was like
subway or something. I did not lead like a life
that was very cultured in Philly. Beside my second year,
I lived right behind the Art Museum, which has the
steps where Rocky ran up, so I would say, Downtown's
pretty cool. You know Pats Gino's. I always like Tony Luke's.
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There was this deli right by Chickis and Pete's, kind
of by where the stadium is that I thought had
like the best turkey sandwich I've ever had. I think
it was the bread. But like I don't know, you know,
King of Prussia mall I. I probably didn't do as
much as I should have when I was there. It
wasn't like I was like, let's go see where Benjamin
Franklin signed the Constitution by the Liberty Bill. So you're
(40:47):
probably asking, you know, I go see the Novacare Novacare School,
go to Phillies game, past Genos. Let me just say
you did. It would probably be my recommendation. But before
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we're discussing the challenge face by I think it's two teams.
I think it's the Browns and the Giants, and we're
less than a week away from the draft, and their
quarterback situations are dire. And if you look at both
these two teams. Start with the Browns, Deshaun Watson is
never going to play another snap for them. They play
(41:55):
in a division with Lamar Jackson who's won multiple MVP
and Joe Burrow, who was just in the MVP discussion
when his team went nine to eight and took the
Bengals to the Super Bowl. So, and who knows, maybe
Aaron Rodgers ends up on the Pittsburgh Steelers, but that's
obviously a big coin flip. If you are going to
pass on a quarterback here at too, you have to realize,
(42:16):
like you could be crappy for the next couple of
years and never sniff a top five pick. And there
is no guaranteed the guy that you're gonna draft on
the second day of the draft is gonna be any good,
So you better think long and hard about like should
we just pull the trigger here too? And obviously the
same thing with the Giants. You're in a division now
with Jalen Hurts who just won the Super Bowl, and
(42:39):
before he won the Super Bowl, when you said Jalen
Hurts best game of his career, it was also in
the Super Bowl a couple years ago. Jayden Daniels, who
looked like one of the best rookies we've ever seen.
And listen, we can debate this guy all we want.
Dak Prescott. The Giants would sell their left leg to
have Dak Prescott have been their quarterback for the last
six or seven years. So you're just gonna play a season.
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If you're Brian day Ball who's coaching for his job
and Joe Shane is GMing for his job with Russell
Wilson and Jameis Winston with Tommy Devido in the room,
like that, that's what you're gonna do. You're drafting number
three overall. I just think that these teams, the discussions
they're having and I listen, you can say owners medal,
they shouldn't not get involved. If I was Jimmy Haslam
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or I was the Maras or the Tishes or whatever, like,
are we sure, guys? And this isn't just about getting
Shador and getting the names up, and like you can
even bring up the other quarterbacks, like are we sure?
Because the hit raid on guys in the second and
third round for every guy like an Andy Dalton. This
starts for a long time. There are a lot of
guys that you couldn't even think about because they never
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played and they weren't any good. And our careers feel
like they're on the line here, especially through the Browns,
like you have a good team, like you have really
good players, and Travis Hunh just had one of the
most remarkable seasons you'll ever see in college, and who knows,
maybe ends up playing both ways in the pros that
would be even more remarkable. Who's playing quarterback for you?
(44:11):
Joe Flacco? Can he Pikett? I just think that these
meetings that these teams, those two specifically are having their coach,
the GM and the owner. And we saw last year
with Hard Knocks, when they were all powowing there in
Joe Shane's office with the owner, and it was just like,
are we sure, guys? And I think it is very
fair for both those owners who even if they are
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desperately trying to be hands off, Are we sure, boys,
this is what we want to do. This is the
right decision because if we take one of these players, awesome,
it's cool. But if we got no quarterback, that guy
could be an all rookie player and it won't mean
a damn thing because we're gonna get our ass kicked
more often than not come Sunday because we don't have
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a good quarterback play. So I think the challenge of
making this decision has to be bringing stress, keeping these
guys up and like going through every single scenario of like,
we better be sure when we finally do pull the trigger.
That's it for this week's Chasing challenges. Remember Microsoft's AI
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