April 30, 2025 • 31 mins
Colin talks about Bill Belichick's recent comments about his CBS interview
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome back. Interesting stuff from Bill Belichick in the CBS interview.
Very interesting. But first Jmac with the news.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I don't like this Belichick thing, but we'll get to
it later. Let's start with the Houston Rockets Colin Man.
Two straight tough losses, despite largely out playing Golden State
for part of the game, they're down down three to one.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Big game tonight in Houston email.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Udoka said he would take a look at everything, saying
that the starters were so bad.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
You know he's talking Jalen Green, that it's unclear who
that Houston will be starting in game five.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Now, I don't think they can make a ton of
different moves, but I think for sure throughout this game, Colin,
when you watch it, start thinking, okay, who would I
trade to get Yannis?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Who would I trade to get Kevin Durant. I know
Houston fans don't want to hear that, but that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, I mean I Jalen Green to me, has no
defined offensive game. I would move him. He's the classic
super athletic guy. Could have used really great coaching, maybe
at college level, but I just don't know what he
is other than athletic. I would move him obviously if
you're getting y honest, you could maybe move a big
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sham goon maybe, But I mean there's certain players. I mean,
I think Houston is basically a less talented version of OKAC,
and OKC is young. So I mean it's like I
got s You've got Jalen Green. I know exactly what
I get from SGA every game. I mean, I just
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think Houston's going to be really, really good. They're not
getting through OKC. Okay, C's are You've got the better
general manager? Okay, so he's got a great coach, they
got the better star. I mean, if they got the
better number two star in Holme Gron or Holmgren. So
to me, this is great Houston, but you're not getting
past ok SE just in terms of the young Western powerhouses.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
But they're a little they're a year early.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
There is a report that I'm in Thompson. They are
telling Houston selling teams he's untouchable. We're not trading him in.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I know you would push back, but I'm just telling you, man,
he is a potential superstar in this league.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
But I would consider for sure Jalen Green shen Goon
three first round picks.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
And give us the honest, I don't know if that's enough.
Milwaukee will say we want more.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well, I mean, if you could get Jalen Green shen
Goon in three first round picks, that's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Well, also, it's not bad if you're Milwaukee because those
are two young cornerstone pieces. Like in the East, you're
gonna be top six with those guys. You are, like,
that's a top six team in the East. In the West,
I don't know. I like Rockets and I think you
do as well.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Next up, Colin.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Coming off the NFL Draft, the betting market has made
cam Ward an Ashta Jenty the co favorites to take
home the Offensive Rookie of the Year award.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Here are the remaining top five and some notables. So
initially I had said I.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Like o'mar and Hampton, but I forgot that they also
have Naja Harris, So it could be a split backfield
there with the Chargers. Any names jump out to you, obviously,
I think cam Ward's got to be the favorite. He's
starting from day one, could put up big numbers in
the Callahan offense.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, that one seems fairly fairly obvious. I also think
Jets in Miami, I don't know. No, I'm looking ato
that division. I mean, two of the three guys up
there are in the AFC South. I could see Travis
Hunter being exceptional and cam Ward. Here's an Ashton Genty problem.
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Will the Raiders trail late in games?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
The problem?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Will they? Yeah? So my take is when you trail
Ashton Genty won't get the touches. Travis Hunter and cam
Ward if they trail late, will get the touches. T
Mac will get the touches. So, and I do think
you're right on Hampton splitting it with Nause Harris, although
I think Hampton will emerge as the number one back.
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But I like a player in terms of awards that
will be in close games and possibly have to perform
I could see Ashton Genty getting really good first half
numbers and then you're playing Mahomes and Herbert and bo
Nicks with Gino and you're behind.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
So how about this theory Chadors plus twenty five hundred.
I don't think he's gonna have a chance. However, Colin
and somebody came on my podcast and made this very clear. Listen,
if there's a quarterback hurt around the league, guess what
the Cleveland Browns have Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco as
potential trade be right you yesterday? I think said that
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Pickett and Flacco are probably two of the best eight
backup quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
So maybe you trade one. If say Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Gets hurt, you trade one, and then Shaduur moves up
and there's a world where shucks, Jesshaun Watson's out, we
traded Flacco or Picket. Is Chaduur a number two? Does
he get a lot of starts? So I don't know,
can you get behind that logic or is that a
bridge too far?
Speaker 6 (05:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I just I think the Chaduer story at this point
is more interesting than it is productive. I want to watch.
I think it's gonna be really interesting. I don't think
he starts game one.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
That's a smart, nuanced date. Final story, college is college football?
How about this?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Reports indicate that Texas Longhorns will spend wait for it,
thirty five to forty million dollars on their football roster
for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
At what point is much.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Of course in the nil world?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
According to the report, their source mentions that the current
model is unsustainable, adding the next season, after next year,
the whole world will be back to reality.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I don't know why that will happen.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Thirty five to forty million, that's a I think that's
a bigger payroll than several MLB Baseball teams in the problem.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I mean, this is what this is what people are
complaining about in Major League Baseball right now. The Dodgers
and Yankees have separated, and maybe Steve Cohen and the
mess you know again, the NC double A knew that
paying football players was coming a decade ago, and drag
their feet. Well why, I mean this idea that you
can't make changes. We had Texas Oklahoma go to the
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SEC suddenly and four PAC twelve. The PAC twelve dissolved suddenly.
So I mean, this is just the NC double. I
don't blame Ohio State last year spending twenty million or
Texas next year spending forty I don't blame.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
In the school boy.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's a lot of pressure on Sark. Forty million dollars
would be almost double with Ohio State paid.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
But they made the playoff two years in a row.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I believe right lost to Washington maybe, and then lost
this past year.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
They should be back in the playoff for dark Manning.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, I think I do. You know what's interesting about
this price tag? Brian Kelly goes to LSU and you
think LSU will do whatever it takes to win, And
they didn't know Alabama's fallen behind on nil. They just
don't have that. They don't have the base of wealthy
donors LSU. I mean, Brian Kelly basically had to go
to the big donors and say, we're losing quarterbacks to Michigan.
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We need ten million dollars. So the reality is how
many schools can pay thirty five to forty million? Oregon
with Phil Knight? Could that's right?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Texas?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Could? I mean? I know this USC has gotten closer
to twenty million than fifteen in the last several months,
six months, That's what I've been told. No, I mean
I think. I mean just in college basketball, the number
is four million. If you spend four you can compete
at the highest level. I mean, what what is the
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college football number? Is it going to be thirty forty?
Then the number is probably twenty five million to be
to be at the highest level. I'm just there's not
many schools.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I'm pretty sure USC lost the Kid Branch because he
wanted more nil and US He's like, whoa, we can't
you know, like at some point you've got to pull back.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
But I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Other than Tennessee, how many teams can spend in upwards
of twenty five mili?
Speaker 5 (08:31):
What SSU, University of Florida, I don't know, Oregon, Oregon.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Jmack for the News.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
All right, Chris Brusar on the show after US is
now joining US Live. Okay, So Zach Low came out
and said, yeah, he said it on a podcast at
the Ringer. He said, listen, Luca's getting worked early in
these series and it's not the trading Luca was crazy.
It's that they got nothing back and that at some
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point our staff showed me this this morning. Brew Luca
had twenty five dunks as a rookie. He has two
in the last two years. There is some athletic decline.
It's something And what do you make of his performance
in this series.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
No, that's a great point.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
I thought that was interesting what Zach said that smart
people in some corners of the NBA understand why they
traded him, Like you said, you just want to get more.
I would not have traded him. I still feel that way.
But there's no question when you look at some of
his highlights in earlier years as a rookie. His second
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year he was dunking on people. He was taking people
off the dribble and dunking on them. Like he did
not look that unathletic, and now he does. There's just
no if sands or buts about it. And I think
the feeling Colin is is that even though he's only
twenty six, there's a feeling that his prime will be
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a lot shorter than other players, like that he's got
maybe three four more years now. I'm not saying this
is right, but there's a feeling out there. He's got
three four more years at you know, as one of
the top five players in the league, and then it's
over after that. Defensively, obviously you see the problem, and
I get it. He's not incredibly quick and athletic. But
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what his problem defensively is that not only is he
bad defensively, but he's disinterested most of the time. If
he's bad and interested, then you can make yourself a
decent defender. Steph Curry, Steve Nash bad defenders, but interested defenders.
So what that means is they communicate, they make sure
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they're in the right position on the floor, and they
become passable on that side of the ball. Luca, when
he wants to be is passable as a defender, but
most of the time he does it, he's disinterested, and
that's the problem. So I say Luca needs to win
a championship before Lebron falls off, because there's no guarantee
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Colin that he will have another teammate as good as
even a.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Forty year old Lebron is, And so every year.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
That he doesn't win it because of his greatness and
because of the things that came out of Dallas as
to why they traded him. The pressure is gonna get
higher and higher every single year on him until he
wins a championship.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
By the way, a shot eighty three percent when guarded
by Luca in Game four. Now it wasn't a lot,
but it shows you. Now the series that's been fascinating.
I took the Rockets over the Warriors. I said, youth, athleticism, depth.
It's all three of the Warriors' best players are all
mid thirties, and I don't know what Pods is going
(11:52):
to give you, and Kaminga is in the doghouse. It
just I am actually surprised by the outcome. Is that
I've said this about Jayalen Green. He's an athlete. I'm
not sure he's a great basketball player. He's an amazing athlete.
The Jalen Green stuff he has disappeared in three of
the four games. Are you surprised by the outcomes here?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Not at all. I was.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Ninety nine point eight percent certain Golden State was gonna
win this series.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Like I just felt it in my bones because of
the experience gap.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Like I think Houston has had a phenomenal year. I
think going forward, they will definitely emerge as a legit contender.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Shin Goon is great. You're right, Jalen has a lot
to learn.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
And his inexperience is showing seven points eight points thirty
eight points nine points and you just can't have that
in the playoffs from your leading scorer.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So that's inexperience showing.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
But Golden State, not only are you inexperienced, you're facing
a four time champion plus playoff Jimmy Butler, who smells it.
He feels like, this is my best chance ever to
win a championship. If you look at those teams he
led to the finals in the East one year, Tyler
Hero was hurt.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
He had bam out of by.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
You and a bunch of role players that are having
trouble getting on playing time.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
When their new teams gave Vincent Caleb Martin and.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
He led them to the finals and took Anthony Davis
and Lebron to six games in the finals.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Now he's actually got a.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Squad with some real talent and a good coach and
Steve Kerr. He smells it, and that's why I'm not
surprised at all. I thought it would be tough and
hard fought because Udoka is great and the Rockets do
play great defense. But I just thought the inexperienced gap
or the experience gap was gonna be too much for
them to overcome. And they'll learn from this. This is
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great for them going forward.
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Speaker 1 (13:54):
So I have been a believer in the Celtics. I've
said I think they're a little underrated because their superstar
is not a publicity seeking, attention seeking player, Tatum. He's
just really good. And we tend to have a bias
towards anti Spurs and Duncan pro Kobe shack the dream,
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you know, the Michael Jordan Listen, basketball is aesthetics. We
all fell in love with Doctor j. He want the
best shooter. He was the most fun guy to watch.
So we kind of punish the Spurs. I think we
punished the Celtics because their depth and collaborative and Tatum.
But I gotta I'm telling you, I'm watching Miami be
humiliated and I'm just I mean, I'm interested. I mean,
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does Boston get past Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Yeah, First of all, I think great point about the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Look.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Obviously, Jason Tatum is more exciting to Washington Tim Duncan,
but I do think it's similar in terms of we're
underwhelmed with Tatum even though he's great, and if they
win the championship this year, Colline, we do have to say, okay,
what do we do with Jason Tatum? You know, as
far as ranking him historically, ranking him in the league
right now. As far as the Calves, I said yesterday
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on first things first, Calves winning the East. I've got
the Calves winning the East now, and I know it's
gonna be tough. Maybe I'm a little out there far
because I'm from Cleveland, but they you don't see teams
humiliate to use your word, the Heat like they did,
and I get it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
The Heat clearly quit in Game four.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
You don't get beat by sixty essentially if you don't
quit in the NBA playoffs. However, Cleveland made them quit
in Game three when they went like Game two was
only a nine point win for the Calves in Cleveland.
So Miami's thinking, okay, we can make this thing a series.
Going home, Cleveland smacks them by thirty seven points, and
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then the Heat knew it was over and they quit
and so just to make my me quit like that
is impressive. They did it without Darius garlandho was an
all star guard who's been out with the toe injury.
They've got the superstar that can create his own shot
when all else fails.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
They got another great guard in Garland, guards off the bench,
and Strus and ty Jerome and DeAndre Hunters a great
sixth man.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
And then they've.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Got the size at the rim in Mobley and Jared Allen.
They defend the paint and the three point line. They
moved the ball like they are legit. And they have
also colin which is what Houston hasn't done and maybe
even okay, see, to some degree, they have taken their lumps.
They lost two years ago in the first round of
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the playoffs, they lost last year in the second round
of the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And now they you know, the questions were are they
tough enough? Do they shrink?
Speaker 6 (16:54):
They've gone through all that, so now I think they
are ready. They kind of remind me and I look,
I know this is gonna be an overstatement, but when
Golden State won it in twenty fifteen, we looked at
them like good team, fifty win team, but second round
at best.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
They get a new coach.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
He comes in in searts a new offense, and then
they just take off and surprise everybody by.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Winning the championship.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
That kind of reminds me of these Calves in that
they were a good team, a fifty win team. They
had a good coach before in Bickerstaff. But Atkinson comes
in there does some things differently, and they go to
a level that we didn't think they had. And I'm
giving them a legit shot to win the final the
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East and even.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Get maybe win the finals. So yeah, I believe in
the Cavs.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Finally, let's talk Nicks. A year ago, the Pistons are
in a rebuild and the Knicks think, hey, we got
Michale Bridges, we can challenge the Celtics. I watch them,
it's the same team. I think the Knicks are an
inch better. One of the reasons they are in a
good spot as a franchise. They were patient. Is it
time to acknowledge they're not close to Cleveland or Boston
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or OKC. The Patients thing was wonderful, but it is
now time for a big swing in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I mean, look, if they can get Yiannis, you know
who may be available this summer, then.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
They gotta go try to do it. Maybe even you
look at a.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Kevin Durant, I agree with They're not going to beat
Cleveland or Boston.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
They just aren't.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
I mean, they're struggling. I got them in seven. I
picked them in seven before the series, but obviously they're
struggling with Detroit, which is to some degree, was just
happy to be in the playoffs this season. You look
at their roster, though, Colin, and they should be as
good as Cleveland in Detroit. I love Jalen Brunson. He
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is a superstar level player.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
He just sa is. We don't think of.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Him that way because he started off his.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Career as a role player and all.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
He's got a very you know, just a normal regular
person personality, it seems, but he is a superstar. But
one thing they are gonna have to look at I
think going forward is he's probably two ball dominant, and
I don't think that's that selfishness. I just think he
dribbles the ball too much. You look at their talent,
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they've got not just Cat but onanobe other guys that
can average twenty points a game, Bridge is heart. They
probably need to be a more egalitarian style offense where
they're getting everybody involved and it's not just brunts and
doing it all and creating for everybody else. I think
that'll help take them to the next level.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Chris Brusard Show after Us excellent stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Really appreciate buddy, Thanks Kling see it you bet? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I think I haven't touched much on the Halliburton's dad
Yanna's story today. It's obviously inappropriate, but it has just
been it's just been a bad two week stretch for dads.
I mean it was Shador Sanders, Like, I don't even
agent I'll take dad's advice. Got bad advice, doesn't mean
Dian's a bad father. He just gave bad advice, Niko Iamaliava,
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doesn't mean he's a bad dad. Probably gave his son
bad advice. And like, like, I don't know Halliburton's dad
at all. I just don't think I would confront a
superstar player that could illuminate me very quickly. Thank god
Jannis has a more even temperament. I just you know,
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it's just doesn't make you a bad dad. It's just
bad judgment or bad opinions, or it's just wildly inappropriate.
And at some point I think this all the time. Basketball,
college or pro fans have the greatest access. I mean,
in hockey you got the glass. Football you're miles away. Again,
Baseball you're except for like Fenway Park, you usually have
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a lot of space. Basketball you're on the floor, so
secure security levels are here. Was by the way, Yannis
on Troyce Halliburton's dad.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
One thing I'll say is that I believe like being
humbled in victory. That's how I am. I love tis.
I think it's a great competitor. He was his dad
sort of coming in the floor and showing me his
son towel with his face. This is what we do,
this is.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What we do.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
This if we do this, I feel like that's very,
very disrespectful.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
The emotions of the game just got excited there. But
I talked to him. I'll talk with you honest eventually
about it. Just you know, I don't take them My
pops was in the right at all.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
There. For the record, Halliburton voted most overrated player in
the league. Not so much in that series. Belichick that
being Bill talking about the CBS interview that went sideways,
It's the hurt.
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Speaker 1 (23:04):
So Bill Belichick has released a statement. He had a
book called The Art of Winning, and CBS said, Heyley,
we'd like to interview you for it. It's like the
CBS I think Morning or Sunday Show or one of
those shows on CBS, not sixty minutes. And so during it,
his girlfriend interrupted the interview and just said, hey, we're
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not going there talking about our relationship, which I don't
have a problem with. I have a right to ask
any question I want. You don't have to answer them. Okay,
you don't want to talk about something, you have ever
right to say that. I have a right to ask questions.
So Belichick has released a statement on that, and Bill's
statement is listen. The final eight minute segment does not
reflect the productive thirty five minute conversation we had, which
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covered a wide range of topics related to my career. Instead,
it presents selectively edited clips instills from just a few
minutes of the interview. To suggest a false narrative that
Jordan was a tempting to control the conversation, which is
simply not true. Belichick wanted to talk football, They CBS
(24:09):
had no intention of spending thirty five minutes just talking football.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Again.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
They have a right to ask, she has a right
to say, we're not going there. I don't think it's
that big of a deal. I think it's awkward. I
think the bigger issue is nobody knows what to do
with seventy something year old Belichick and a twenty four
year old girlfriend. Charles Barkley was on Dan Patrick this
morning saying he's been my friend forever. I may have
to step in here. This thing could go sideways. Listen,
(24:34):
the power dynamic in older men young women is well documented.
There can be issues, but I do think she does
serve in this relationship a purpose. I don't think it's
just you know, attractive young girl, older man. She is
like in a college campus environment, she is basically the
coo of Belichick productions, and he needs it. He is
(24:57):
a rigid control freak, a little bit grumpy, a little
bit prickly. On a college campus, he could use and
he's not, you know, he used to make fun of
Snap Graham and into the chat like he makes fun
of that stuff. He needs a bridge, he needs to
go between. So at twenty four, generationally, Jordan Hudson is
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the go between. You don't. You can think the relationships
icky or uneven in the power dynamic, whatever, But to me,
it's a two grown ups, two adults, both mutually benefiting
Bill's career. And I'm sure he's happy with it and
her career, and I'm sure she's happy with it. So
where am I supposed to go with that? Julian Edelman
(25:37):
talked about the interview and what he.
Speaker 9 (25:40):
Saw people are giving an unfair reality of what's going
on because she was jumping into that conversation during the interview,
just like any PR person would jump in when there's
an unnecessary question that probably didn't go over in the
pre production meeting. When you look at this situation and
you say, oh, this is his grow friend jumping in,
(26:01):
I think that's unfair. I think she's actually working with
Coach Belichick in the professional world, and she probably would
and said, hey, no, we're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah that's how I feel. Now, what does it look
like to NFL teams? Probably not.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
PC.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Like I could see an NFL owner and the wife
saying this is not who's going to run our franchise,
Like this is not going to play. I could totally
see that. I just think they're very strong families. And
if you think Belichick's a control freak, some of these
billionaires double down on that. I mean that Belichick has
said as much that. There's multiple stories where Belichick has
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just said people around him he's just tired of not
having control. The truth is, Belichick had total control in
New England at the end, and frankly, it hurt him.
He had too much control with personnel. Belichick shouldn't have
as much control. Pete Carroll's a good coach. One of
the reasons he had problems in Seattle is he was
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taking control of the personnel in the draft to a
degree in which John Snyder and the organization weren't happy,
and they had some bad drafts. So I don't think
coaches in the NFL should be making the picks I
think right now San Francisco, I think Kyle Shanahan has
too much power in San Francisco. I did not like
the Niners draft. They've had too many misses. The last
three years. So I think Belichick, Pete Carroll and these
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are great coaches. In Shanahan, I think you're better serve
letting the scouting department. The GM run the draft and
have a huge say as well. So by the way,
Gruden in with the Raiders, when he was with the
Raiders had final say their drafts were a mess. So
you know, it's hard enough to be a great GM
or a great coach individually. To do both I think
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is virtually impossible. Andy Reid, by the way, famously, Brett
Viech runs the show. I'll do the games. But this
whole thing is just, you know, it is. People are
not comfortable with it. You know, it's different coin.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
What do you make of this year?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It is? We're interesting, though, And I feel sort of
a Bob Knight thing here and a little bit of
a Tony Larusa thing when you have success and you
get older and stuff changes. I mean, analytics have changed baseball,
and there's no question in the NFL it went from
a defensive league. It was a run game defensive league
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until the NFL had to write an eight nine hundred
million dollar CTE check and it got offensive very quickly.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Bill did not age well.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
He didn't I mean, Bob Knight, I don't want to
do one and done. He did not age well. So
it doesn't matter how brilliant you are if you're not
willing to adapt, the greatest businessman can look outdated very quickly.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's the guy.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's the guy twenty five years ago. I'm not using
the internet.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Everybody's using the internet.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
This was a fun story when it was like, Hey,
Bill Belichick u NC from the NFL to college Oh, exciting,
And now it's kind of become about twenty four year
old girl who's with him in interrupting negotiations with HBO
over Hard Knocks, interrupting a CBS interview.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
I was totally on board for Belichick. I just think
at this.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Point UNC's probably internally being like, guys, is this what
we bargained for. I don't want to say we're a
laughing stock, but anybody who talks about this is like, oh, yeah,
seventy six year old guy, twenty four year old girlfriend
who's now controlling the head coach of a major college
football program.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Well, if you hire Belichick, the idea that he's going
to go down the line and run his program like
you want him to run it. I mean by bringing
Mike Lombardi over. Mike Lombardi is a gruff, blunt, bottom
line Belichick disciple. So Bill hired a younger version of Bill.
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But a football guy, Yeah, a pro football guy through
and two. I have no problem with that. I think
college the new model of college is GMS and paying players.
It feels like about fifty to sixty percent. It feels
like pro football.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, Colin, I just wonder, like, you know, we should
talk to woj about this, because I did have him
on my podcast. He's now like the GM of Saint
Bonaventure basketball. Okay, I'm sorry, but I don't think he's
on the court with the coach talking strategy the way
you saw the twenty four year old girl walking into
the middle of practice up to Belichick, like, hey, coos
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are not seen, right, They're just maybe heard behind the seats.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
They're not on the field front and center, are they?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
If they go four and oh to start the season, right,
and then they're playing Clems in the next week, will
any of this matter? No? Like this is this is
the first off season. Once the game start. If Bill's
we that's what I'm fascinated by. I know that's not
interesting to me. Is I always felt that Bill was brilliant.
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But college allows you seventeen hours a week to practice.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
There's limitedge.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
That's why college coaches, the ones like Saban that have
personalities and can coach, are at an advantage. Bill doesn't
have the personality, So his greatness is schematic excellence and details.
You're dealing with nineteen year old kids and you get
seventeen hours a week. The teams are just gonna the
best college teams can be sloppy.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, Colin, listen, I'm gonna say something. I don't want
to get myself in trouble. You said earlier this week.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Everybody wants to go viral, didn't you with the young
kid in the prank call.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, I'll just leave it at that, all right.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
How that was it?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Mean?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I just it's looking a little suspicious.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome back. Interesting stuff from Bill Belichick in the CBS interview.
Very interesting. But first Jmac with the news.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I don't like this Belichick thing, but we'll get to
it later. Let's start with the Houston Rockets Colin Man.
Two straight tough losses, despite largely out playing Golden State
for part of the game, they're down down three to one.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Big game tonight in Houston email.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Udoka said he would take a look at everything, saying
that the starters were so bad.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
You know he's talking Jalen Green, that it's unclear who
that Houston will be starting in game five.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Now, I don't think they can make a ton of
different moves, but I think for sure throughout this game, Colin,
when you watch it, start thinking, okay, who would I
trade to get Yannis?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Who would I trade to get Kevin Durant. I know
Houston fans don't want to hear that, but that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, I mean I Jalen Green to me, has no
defined offensive game. I would move him. He's the classic
super athletic guy. Could have used really great coaching, maybe
at college level, but I just don't know what he
is other than athletic. I would move him obviously if
you're getting y honest, you could maybe move a big
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sham goon maybe, But I mean there's certain players. I mean,
I think Houston is basically a less talented version of OKAC,
and OKC is young. So I mean it's like I
got s You've got Jalen Green. I know exactly what
I get from SGA every game. I mean, I just
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think Houston's going to be really, really good. They're not
getting through OKC. Okay, C's are You've got the better
general manager? Okay, so he's got a great coach, they
got the better star. I mean, if they got the
better number two star in Holme Gron or Holmgren. So
to me, this is great Houston, but you're not getting
past ok SE just in terms of the young Western powerhouses.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
But they're a little they're a year early.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
There is a report that I'm in Thompson. They are
telling Houston selling teams he's untouchable. We're not trading him in.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I know you would push back, but I'm just telling you, man,
he is a potential superstar in this league.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
But I would consider for sure Jalen Green shen Goon
three first round picks.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
And give us the honest, I don't know if that's enough.
Milwaukee will say we want more.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well, I mean, if you could get Jalen Green shen
Goon in three first round picks, that's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Well, also, it's not bad if you're Milwaukee because those
are two young cornerstone pieces. Like in the East, you're
gonna be top six with those guys. You are, like,
that's a top six team in the East. In the West,
I don't know. I like Rockets and I think you
do as well.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Next up, Colin.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Coming off the NFL Draft, the betting market has made
cam Ward an Ashta Jenty the co favorites to take
home the Offensive Rookie of the Year award.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Here are the remaining top five and some notables. So
initially I had said I.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Like o'mar and Hampton, but I forgot that they also
have Naja Harris, So it could be a split backfield
there with the Chargers. Any names jump out to you, obviously,
I think cam Ward's got to be the favorite. He's
starting from day one, could put up big numbers in
the Callahan offense.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, that one seems fairly fairly obvious. I also think
Jets in Miami, I don't know. No, I'm looking ato
that division. I mean, two of the three guys up
there are in the AFC South. I could see Travis
Hunter being exceptional and cam Ward. Here's an Ashton Genty problem.
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Will the Raiders trail late in games?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
The problem?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Will they? Yeah? So my take is when you trail
Ashton Genty won't get the touches. Travis Hunter and cam
Ward if they trail late, will get the touches. T
Mac will get the touches. So, and I do think
you're right on Hampton splitting it with Nause Harris, although
I think Hampton will emerge as the number one back.
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But I like a player in terms of awards that
will be in close games and possibly have to perform
I could see Ashton Genty getting really good first half
numbers and then you're playing Mahomes and Herbert and bo
Nicks with Gino and you're behind.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
So how about this theory Chadors plus twenty five hundred.
I don't think he's gonna have a chance. However, Colin
and somebody came on my podcast and made this very clear. Listen,
if there's a quarterback hurt around the league, guess what
the Cleveland Browns have Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco as
potential trade be right you yesterday? I think said that
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Pickett and Flacco are probably two of the best eight
backup quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
So maybe you trade one. If say Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Gets hurt, you trade one, and then Shaduur moves up
and there's a world where shucks, Jesshaun Watson's out, we
traded Flacco or Picket. Is Chaduur a number two? Does
he get a lot of starts? So I don't know,
can you get behind that logic or is that a
bridge too far?
Speaker 6 (05:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I just I think the Chaduer story at this point
is more interesting than it is productive. I want to watch.
I think it's gonna be really interesting. I don't think
he starts game one.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
That's a smart, nuanced date. Final story, college is college football?
How about this?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Reports indicate that Texas Longhorns will spend wait for it,
thirty five to forty million dollars on their football roster
for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
At what point is much.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Of course in the nil world?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
According to the report, their source mentions that the current
model is unsustainable, adding the next season, after next year,
the whole world will be back to reality.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I don't know why that will happen.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Thirty five to forty million, that's a I think that's
a bigger payroll than several MLB Baseball teams in the problem.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I mean, this is what this is what people are
complaining about in Major League Baseball right now. The Dodgers
and Yankees have separated, and maybe Steve Cohen and the
mess you know again, the NC double A knew that
paying football players was coming a decade ago, and drag
their feet. Well why, I mean this idea that you
can't make changes. We had Texas Oklahoma go to the
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SEC suddenly and four PAC twelve. The PAC twelve dissolved suddenly.
So I mean, this is just the NC double. I
don't blame Ohio State last year spending twenty million or
Texas next year spending forty I don't blame.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
In the school boy.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's a lot of pressure on Sark. Forty million dollars
would be almost double with Ohio State paid.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
But they made the playoff two years in a row.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I believe right lost to Washington maybe, and then lost
this past year.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
They should be back in the playoff for dark Manning.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, I think I do. You know what's interesting about
this price tag? Brian Kelly goes to LSU and you
think LSU will do whatever it takes to win, And
they didn't know Alabama's fallen behind on nil. They just
don't have that. They don't have the base of wealthy
donors LSU. I mean, Brian Kelly basically had to go
to the big donors and say, we're losing quarterbacks to Michigan.
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We need ten million dollars. So the reality is how
many schools can pay thirty five to forty million? Oregon
with Phil Knight? Could that's right?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Texas?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Could? I mean? I know this USC has gotten closer
to twenty million than fifteen in the last several months,
six months, That's what I've been told. No, I mean
I think. I mean just in college basketball, the number
is four million. If you spend four you can compete
at the highest level. I mean, what what is the
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college football number? Is it going to be thirty forty?
Then the number is probably twenty five million to be
to be at the highest level. I'm just there's not
many schools.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I'm pretty sure USC lost the Kid Branch because he
wanted more nil and US He's like, whoa, we can't
you know, like at some point you've got to pull back.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
But I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Other than Tennessee, how many teams can spend in upwards
of twenty five mili?
Speaker 5 (08:31):
What SSU, University of Florida, I don't know, Oregon, Oregon.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Jmack for the News.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
All right, Chris Brusar on the show after US is
now joining US Live. Okay, So Zach Low came out
and said, yeah, he said it on a podcast at
the Ringer. He said, listen, Luca's getting worked early in
these series and it's not the trading Luca was crazy.
It's that they got nothing back and that at some
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point our staff showed me this this morning. Brew Luca
had twenty five dunks as a rookie. He has two
in the last two years. There is some athletic decline.
It's something And what do you make of his performance
in this series.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
No, that's a great point.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
I thought that was interesting what Zach said that smart
people in some corners of the NBA understand why they
traded him, Like you said, you just want to get more.
I would not have traded him. I still feel that way.
But there's no question when you look at some of
his highlights in earlier years as a rookie. His second
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year he was dunking on people. He was taking people
off the dribble and dunking on them. Like he did
not look that unathletic, and now he does. There's just
no if sands or buts about it. And I think
the feeling Colin is is that even though he's only
twenty six, there's a feeling that his prime will be
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a lot shorter than other players, like that he's got
maybe three four more years now. I'm not saying this
is right, but there's a feeling out there. He's got
three four more years at you know, as one of
the top five players in the league, and then it's
over after that. Defensively, obviously you see the problem, and
I get it. He's not incredibly quick and athletic. But
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what his problem defensively is that not only is he
bad defensively, but he's disinterested most of the time. If
he's bad and interested, then you can make yourself a
decent defender. Steph Curry, Steve Nash bad defenders, but interested defenders.
So what that means is they communicate, they make sure
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they're in the right position on the floor, and they
become passable on that side of the ball. Luca, when
he wants to be is passable as a defender, but
most of the time he does it, he's disinterested, and
that's the problem. So I say Luca needs to win
a championship before Lebron falls off, because there's no guarantee
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Colin that he will have another teammate as good as
even a.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Forty year old Lebron is, And so every year.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
That he doesn't win it because of his greatness and
because of the things that came out of Dallas as
to why they traded him. The pressure is gonna get
higher and higher every single year on him until he
wins a championship.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
By the way, a shot eighty three percent when guarded
by Luca in Game four. Now it wasn't a lot,
but it shows you. Now the series that's been fascinating.
I took the Rockets over the Warriors. I said, youth, athleticism, depth.
It's all three of the Warriors' best players are all
mid thirties, and I don't know what Pods is going
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to give you, and Kaminga is in the doghouse. It
just I am actually surprised by the outcome. Is that
I've said this about Jayalen Green. He's an athlete. I'm
not sure he's a great basketball player. He's an amazing athlete.
The Jalen Green stuff he has disappeared in three of
the four games. Are you surprised by the outcomes here?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Not at all. I was.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Ninety nine point eight percent certain Golden State was gonna
win this series.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Like I just felt it in my bones because of
the experience gap.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Like I think Houston has had a phenomenal year. I
think going forward, they will definitely emerge as a legit contender.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Shin Goon is great. You're right, Jalen has a lot
to learn.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
And his inexperience is showing seven points eight points thirty
eight points nine points and you just can't have that
in the playoffs from your leading scorer.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So that's inexperience showing.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
But Golden State, not only are you inexperienced, you're facing
a four time champion plus playoff Jimmy Butler, who smells it.
He feels like, this is my best chance ever to
win a championship. If you look at those teams he
led to the finals in the East one year, Tyler
Hero was hurt.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
He had bam out of by.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
You and a bunch of role players that are having
trouble getting on playing time.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
When their new teams gave Vincent Caleb Martin and.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
He led them to the finals and took Anthony Davis
and Lebron to six games in the finals.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Now he's actually got a.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Squad with some real talent and a good coach and
Steve Kerr. He smells it, and that's why I'm not
surprised at all. I thought it would be tough and
hard fought because Udoka is great and the Rockets do
play great defense. But I just thought the inexperienced gap
or the experience gap was gonna be too much for
them to overcome. And they'll learn from this. This is
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great for them going forward.
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Speaker 1 (13:54):
So I have been a believer in the Celtics. I've
said I think they're a little underrated because their superstar
is not a publicity seeking, attention seeking player, Tatum. He's
just really good. And we tend to have a bias
towards anti Spurs and Duncan pro Kobe shack the dream,
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you know, the Michael Jordan Listen, basketball is aesthetics. We
all fell in love with Doctor j. He want the
best shooter. He was the most fun guy to watch.
So we kind of punish the Spurs. I think we
punished the Celtics because their depth and collaborative and Tatum.
But I gotta I'm telling you, I'm watching Miami be
humiliated and I'm just I mean, I'm interested. I mean,
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does Boston get past Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Yeah, First of all, I think great point about the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Look.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Obviously, Jason Tatum is more exciting to Washington Tim Duncan,
but I do think it's similar in terms of we're
underwhelmed with Tatum even though he's great, and if they
win the championship this year, Colline, we do have to say, okay,
what do we do with Jason Tatum? You know, as
far as ranking him historically, ranking him in the league
right now. As far as the Calves, I said yesterday
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on first things first, Calves winning the East. I've got
the Calves winning the East now, and I know it's
gonna be tough. Maybe I'm a little out there far
because I'm from Cleveland, but they you don't see teams
humiliate to use your word, the Heat like they did,
and I get it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
The Heat clearly quit in Game four.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
You don't get beat by sixty essentially if you don't
quit in the NBA playoffs. However, Cleveland made them quit
in Game three when they went like Game two was
only a nine point win for the Calves in Cleveland.
So Miami's thinking, okay, we can make this thing a series.
Going home, Cleveland smacks them by thirty seven points, and
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then the Heat knew it was over and they quit
and so just to make my me quit like that
is impressive. They did it without Darius garlandho was an
all star guard who's been out with the toe injury.
They've got the superstar that can create his own shot
when all else fails.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
They got another great guard in Garland, guards off the bench,
and Strus and ty Jerome and DeAndre Hunters a great
sixth man.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
And then they've.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Got the size at the rim in Mobley and Jared Allen.
They defend the paint and the three point line. They
moved the ball like they are legit. And they have
also colin which is what Houston hasn't done and maybe
even okay, see, to some degree, they have taken their lumps.
They lost two years ago in the first round of
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the playoffs, they lost last year in the second round
of the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And now they you know, the questions were are they
tough enough? Do they shrink?
Speaker 6 (16:54):
They've gone through all that, so now I think they
are ready. They kind of remind me and I look,
I know this is gonna be an overstatement, but when
Golden State won it in twenty fifteen, we looked at
them like good team, fifty win team, but second round
at best.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
They get a new coach.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
He comes in in searts a new offense, and then
they just take off and surprise everybody by.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Winning the championship.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
That kind of reminds me of these Calves in that
they were a good team, a fifty win team. They
had a good coach before in Bickerstaff. But Atkinson comes
in there does some things differently, and they go to
a level that we didn't think they had. And I'm
giving them a legit shot to win the final the
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East and even.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Get maybe win the finals. So yeah, I believe in
the Cavs.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Finally, let's talk Nicks. A year ago, the Pistons are
in a rebuild and the Knicks think, hey, we got
Michale Bridges, we can challenge the Celtics. I watch them,
it's the same team. I think the Knicks are an
inch better. One of the reasons they are in a
good spot as a franchise. They were patient. Is it
time to acknowledge they're not close to Cleveland or Boston
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or OKC. The Patients thing was wonderful, but it is
now time for a big swing in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I mean, look, if they can get Yiannis, you know
who may be available this summer, then.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
They gotta go try to do it. Maybe even you
look at a.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Kevin Durant, I agree with They're not going to beat
Cleveland or Boston.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
They just aren't.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
I mean, they're struggling. I got them in seven. I
picked them in seven before the series, but obviously they're
struggling with Detroit, which is to some degree, was just
happy to be in the playoffs this season. You look
at their roster, though, Colin, and they should be as
good as Cleveland in Detroit. I love Jalen Brunson. He
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is a superstar level player.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
He just sa is. We don't think of.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Him that way because he started off his.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Career as a role player and all.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
He's got a very you know, just a normal regular
person personality, it seems, but he is a superstar. But
one thing they are gonna have to look at I
think going forward is he's probably two ball dominant, and
I don't think that's that selfishness. I just think he
dribbles the ball too much. You look at their talent,
(19:21):
they've got not just Cat but onanobe other guys that
can average twenty points a game, Bridge is heart. They
probably need to be a more egalitarian style offense where
they're getting everybody involved and it's not just brunts and
doing it all and creating for everybody else. I think
that'll help take them to the next level.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Chris Brusard Show after Us excellent stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Really appreciate buddy, Thanks Kling see it you bet? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I think I haven't touched much on the Halliburton's dad
Yanna's story today. It's obviously inappropriate, but it has just
been it's just been a bad two week stretch for dads.
I mean it was Shador Sanders, Like, I don't even
agent I'll take dad's advice. Got bad advice, doesn't mean
Dian's a bad father. He just gave bad advice, Niko Iamaliava,
(20:13):
doesn't mean he's a bad dad. Probably gave his son
bad advice. And like, like, I don't know Halliburton's dad
at all. I just don't think I would confront a
superstar player that could illuminate me very quickly. Thank god
Jannis has a more even temperament. I just you know,
(20:34):
it's just doesn't make you a bad dad. It's just
bad judgment or bad opinions, or it's just wildly inappropriate.
And at some point I think this all the time. Basketball,
college or pro fans have the greatest access. I mean,
in hockey you got the glass. Football you're miles away. Again,
Baseball you're except for like Fenway Park, you usually have
(20:56):
a lot of space. Basketball you're on the floor, so
secure security levels are here. Was by the way, Yannis
on Troyce Halliburton's dad.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
One thing I'll say is that I believe like being
humbled in victory. That's how I am. I love tis.
I think it's a great competitor. He was his dad
sort of coming in the floor and showing me his
son towel with his face. This is what we do,
this is.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What we do.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
This if we do this, I feel like that's very,
very disrespectful.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
The emotions of the game just got excited there. But
I talked to him. I'll talk with you honest eventually
about it. Just you know, I don't take them My
pops was in the right at all.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
There. For the record, Halliburton voted most overrated player in
the league. Not so much in that series. Belichick that
being Bill talking about the CBS interview that went sideways,
It's the hurt.
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Speaker 1 (23:04):
So Bill Belichick has released a statement. He had a
book called The Art of Winning, and CBS said, Heyley,
we'd like to interview you for it. It's like the
CBS I think Morning or Sunday Show or one of
those shows on CBS, not sixty minutes. And so during it,
his girlfriend interrupted the interview and just said, hey, we're
(23:25):
not going there talking about our relationship, which I don't
have a problem with. I have a right to ask
any question I want. You don't have to answer them. Okay,
you don't want to talk about something, you have ever
right to say that. I have a right to ask questions.
So Belichick has released a statement on that, and Bill's
statement is listen. The final eight minute segment does not
reflect the productive thirty five minute conversation we had, which
(23:47):
covered a wide range of topics related to my career. Instead,
it presents selectively edited clips instills from just a few
minutes of the interview. To suggest a false narrative that
Jordan was a tempting to control the conversation, which is
simply not true. Belichick wanted to talk football, They CBS
(24:09):
had no intention of spending thirty five minutes just talking football.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Again.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
They have a right to ask, she has a right
to say, we're not going there. I don't think it's
that big of a deal. I think it's awkward. I
think the bigger issue is nobody knows what to do
with seventy something year old Belichick and a twenty four
year old girlfriend. Charles Barkley was on Dan Patrick this
morning saying he's been my friend forever. I may have
to step in here. This thing could go sideways. Listen,
(24:34):
the power dynamic in older men young women is well documented.
There can be issues, but I do think she does
serve in this relationship a purpose. I don't think it's
just you know, attractive young girl, older man. She is
like in a college campus environment, she is basically the
coo of Belichick productions, and he needs it. He is
(24:57):
a rigid control freak, a little bit grumpy, a little
bit prickly. On a college campus, he could use and
he's not, you know, he used to make fun of
Snap Graham and into the chat like he makes fun
of that stuff. He needs a bridge, he needs to
go between. So at twenty four, generationally, Jordan Hudson is
(25:17):
the go between. You don't. You can think the relationships
icky or uneven in the power dynamic, whatever, But to me,
it's a two grown ups, two adults, both mutually benefiting
Bill's career. And I'm sure he's happy with it and
her career, and I'm sure she's happy with it. So
where am I supposed to go with that? Julian Edelman
(25:37):
talked about the interview and what he.
Speaker 9 (25:40):
Saw people are giving an unfair reality of what's going
on because she was jumping into that conversation during the interview,
just like any PR person would jump in when there's
an unnecessary question that probably didn't go over in the
pre production meeting. When you look at this situation and
you say, oh, this is his grow friend jumping in,
(26:01):
I think that's unfair. I think she's actually working with
Coach Belichick in the professional world, and she probably would
and said, hey, no, we're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah that's how I feel. Now, what does it look
like to NFL teams? Probably not.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
PC.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Like I could see an NFL owner and the wife
saying this is not who's going to run our franchise,
Like this is not going to play. I could totally
see that. I just think they're very strong families. And
if you think Belichick's a control freak, some of these
billionaires double down on that. I mean that Belichick has
said as much that. There's multiple stories where Belichick has
(26:40):
just said people around him he's just tired of not
having control. The truth is, Belichick had total control in
New England at the end, and frankly, it hurt him.
He had too much control with personnel. Belichick shouldn't have
as much control. Pete Carroll's a good coach. One of
the reasons he had problems in Seattle is he was
(27:00):
taking control of the personnel in the draft to a
degree in which John Snyder and the organization weren't happy,
and they had some bad drafts. So I don't think
coaches in the NFL should be making the picks I
think right now San Francisco, I think Kyle Shanahan has
too much power in San Francisco. I did not like
the Niners draft. They've had too many misses. The last
three years. So I think Belichick, Pete Carroll and these
(27:23):
are great coaches. In Shanahan, I think you're better serve
letting the scouting department. The GM run the draft and
have a huge say as well. So by the way,
Gruden in with the Raiders, when he was with the
Raiders had final say their drafts were a mess. So
you know, it's hard enough to be a great GM
or a great coach individually. To do both I think
(27:43):
is virtually impossible. Andy Reid, by the way, famously, Brett
Viech runs the show. I'll do the games. But this
whole thing is just, you know, it is. People are
not comfortable with it. You know, it's different coin.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
What do you make of this year?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It is? We're interesting, though, And I feel sort of
a Bob Knight thing here and a little bit of
a Tony Larusa thing when you have success and you
get older and stuff changes. I mean, analytics have changed baseball,
and there's no question in the NFL it went from
a defensive league. It was a run game defensive league
(28:21):
until the NFL had to write an eight nine hundred
million dollar CTE check and it got offensive very quickly.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Bill did not age well.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
He didn't I mean, Bob Knight, I don't want to
do one and done. He did not age well. So
it doesn't matter how brilliant you are if you're not
willing to adapt, the greatest businessman can look outdated very quickly.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's the guy.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's the guy twenty five years ago. I'm not using
the internet.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Everybody's using the internet.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
This was a fun story when it was like, Hey,
Bill Belichick u NC from the NFL to college Oh, exciting,
And now it's kind of become about twenty four year
old girl who's with him in interrupting negotiations with HBO
over Hard Knocks, interrupting a CBS interview.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
I was totally on board for Belichick. I just think
at this.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Point UNC's probably internally being like, guys, is this what
we bargained for. I don't want to say we're a
laughing stock, but anybody who talks about this is like, oh, yeah,
seventy six year old guy, twenty four year old girlfriend
who's now controlling the head coach of a major college
football program.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Well, if you hire Belichick, the idea that he's going
to go down the line and run his program like
you want him to run it. I mean by bringing
Mike Lombardi over. Mike Lombardi is a gruff, blunt, bottom
line Belichick disciple. So Bill hired a younger version of Bill.
(29:48):
But a football guy, Yeah, a pro football guy through
and two. I have no problem with that. I think
college the new model of college is GMS and paying players.
It feels like about fifty to sixty percent. It feels
like pro football.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, Colin, I just wonder, like, you know, we should
talk to woj about this, because I did have him
on my podcast. He's now like the GM of Saint
Bonaventure basketball. Okay, I'm sorry, but I don't think he's
on the court with the coach talking strategy the way
you saw the twenty four year old girl walking into
the middle of practice up to Belichick, like, hey, coos
(30:26):
are not seen, right, They're just maybe heard behind the seats.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
They're not on the field front and center, are they?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
If they go four and oh to start the season, right,
and then they're playing Clems in the next week, will
any of this matter? No? Like this is this is
the first off season. Once the game start. If Bill's
we that's what I'm fascinated by. I know that's not
interesting to me. Is I always felt that Bill was brilliant.
(30:53):
But college allows you seventeen hours a week to practice.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
There's limitedge.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
That's why college coaches, the ones like Saban that have
personalities and can coach, are at an advantage. Bill doesn't
have the personality, So his greatness is schematic excellence and details.
You're dealing with nineteen year old kids and you get
seventeen hours a week. The teams are just gonna the
best college teams can be sloppy.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, Colin, listen, I'm gonna say something. I don't want
to get myself in trouble. You said earlier this week.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Everybody wants to go viral, didn't you with the young
kid in the prank call.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, I'll just leave it at that, all right.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
How that was it?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Mean?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I just it's looking a little suspicious.
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