May 5, 2025 • 34 mins
Minnesota Timberwolves head coach Chris Finch joins The Herd to talk about his team's series win over the Lakers, their matchup against the Golden State Warriors and more.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
They not only beat the Lakers, they pushed them around,
out coached them, out played them, had so much more
dexterity offensively. A very impressive series and now a totally
different team, although they are a little long in the tooth,
but it's the Warriors, and Chris Finch, the head coach,
is now joining us. So it's weird because I once
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again feel like the Warriors are gonna play a bigger,
deeper team. The differences. Your bigs are old guys that
have been around the block, and Houston is a much
younger team, and I think they took advantage of their youth.
How much do you even take from that Houston Warrior series?
I mean, do you look at it and just we're
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just a different team.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, I think I think we start there. I do
think we just we are a different team. We have
a different defensive philosophy. Of course, there's always things you
can learn when you watch a series, and and that
that series was very intriguing, very fascinating to watch. I
mean it was extremely physical. I thought at the times
it bordered on out of control. But you know, given
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the amount of physicality that they're allowing in the playoffs
that I think you can see the impact that it
does have on a high functioning offense like Golden State.
You know, you know you're going to have to be
physical with them. You've got to try to be disruptive
and slow them down. But you know, every team is
built differently, and every team has to play to their strengths.
And you know, what what Houston was able to do
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may not be exactly what we're able to accomplish at
the high level.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So you have, you know, voice can concerned you. And
Steve kerr bo said, this thing's out of control. It's physical.
Yet yet that physicality was very disruptive to the Lakers.
So as a coach, what do you look at and
say to yourself, Chris, Okay, that's that's out of control.
Because Jay McK and I argue about this all the time.
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I love physical basketball. He's a finesse guy over there
jacking up threes. What do you look at and go okay,
reps time out. Guys get over here that can't go Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I think I think to be to be clear, Colin,
I think every coach in the NBA, would you know,
welcomes in physicality, actually embraces it. I think we all
love physical basketball. I don't think that's what you know,
Steve or I are saying. Well, I think what we're
saying is like it seems at times out of context,
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and in the first round of games, it seems out
of context where it was actually affecting the basketball that
was able to be played, and it didn't feel like, hey,
we're just going to allow you to be more physical.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
While that was certainly going on, what.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
It felt like is that they just decided to not
call some amount.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Of foul right right, And that's different.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
You know, that is what leaves players and coaches frustrated.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
That's what leads to kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Things getting slightly out of control, if not completely out
of control.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So I said on the air, I theorized, I said,
when JJ Reddick with an older Lebron and Luca and
Austin reeves. He was struggling when he decided to play
his starters. Whether you agree with it or not, I said,
I bet you Finch and his staff said, hey, let's
just go bigger. We're going to go bigger with Rudy
Gobert did that game and his decision. I mean, this
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whole series is all you guys are changing things, But
it did feel like you came in with even a
different game plan the next game after that Game four decision?
Was that part of it?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Well, we've always leaned into being a big team, and
when you have you know, historically we've had you know,
Karl Anthony Towns, or you have Rudy Gobert, or you
have Julius Randall and nas Reed six Man of the Year,
like these are some of.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Your best players.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
And you know you're not just gonna take him off
the floor because somebody goes small. You have to find
a way to maximize who you are and lean into
those strengths. Yeah, there's gonna be times where you get
a little bit exposed for for it. But we've preached
to Rudy ever since he got here that you know,
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we need to be highly flexible with the things we're
going to ask you to do through the regular season,
so when it comes to the playoffs, you know, you
can't be marginalized by teams just going small. And you
know in that series, you know, Rudy just stayed patient
when they made some adjustments that allowed him to have
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the big Game four, And you know, he did a
great job of just staying focused and calm and remaining
the part of that series, even though at times, uh,
you know, he wasn't as impactful as he certainly was
in that Game five.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So when you made the Julius Rantal move, I didn't
love it. I said, he's not a great postseason player.
I don't know if he fits. And then I didn't
even like it when I watched it early in the year,
I'm like, I'm not sure if this works. And then
all of a sudden, I watch him late in the
year and I watched him against the Lakers, I'm like,
who's this? When did you know? And it's okay to
admit that this leads a fit league with very few exceptions.
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When did you know? Okay, this is gonna work. He's
found his way with this offense and his touches.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, we started to figure it out in late in
mid to late December, you know, that's what I started
to see what we could possibly become, particularly with Julius.
And to be fair to Julius, at times we've asked
him to do different things and he's done that.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It just it may not have been the right thing.
You know. We I told him.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Early on, we need you to score, score score. I
thought that's what we were going to need, and what
we really needed was just more of his all around game,
his playmaking and his scoring. But when he started to
kind of playmake first teammates and be a point forward
for us.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I always point to a.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Game in December we played at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
We played the Knicks. It was as a return home game.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
You can imagine how emotionally charged that's going to be
for him personally.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I think he took three or four shots Colin, but
he just played.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
An incredible all around game, whether it be defense, rebounding,
creating pace, creating first teammates with the pass, just doing
all the little things.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
And to me, that was the moment.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And I'll always point to that as kind of our
team growing up and growing up around Julius and Julius
realizing like, this is what we need to win.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
We won that night.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
We won on Christmas Day, which was another big game
for us, and we had been starting to play a
little bit better and he had a monster game on
Christmas Day, both scoring and creating.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
So it's been an evolution.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
All these things always are, it's not always the player's fault.
I was extremely happy and proud that he played so
well in the in the Lakers series, because you know,
he has had some unfair criticism of his playoff performances.
You know, with those early Knicks teams, he didn't have
a lot of help, let's say, so it's easy to
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game plan a guy out if he's really the only
and dominant scorer. So it gets hard for some of
those guys at some point in time. So I know
he was focused on having a great playoffs. He did
so far, he's got off to a really good start,
and you know, we just love him. We love what
he's brought here with our with his toughness, his physicality.
He gave us a perfect Lebron matchup in a lot
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of ways, which is what we needed.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
So he was huge.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
So you guys didn't play the Warrior very well, you
played him before the Jimmy Butler trade. But I remember
one game in particular that you know, Curry's running around
crazy and sometimes Aunt or whoever's guarding him just get lost.
He's running through screens, he's running all over the floor,
and some of your guys are just like, if you
don't pay attention to steph Curry, he's in another continent,
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He's on the other side of the floor. How much
what do you do? Like Houston said, Okay, we're gonna
double the minute, get over half court, but then Buddy
heals wide open. Then Buddy can shoot. By the way,
now Pods now is shooting with more confidence than he
was thirty five forty games ago. So I mean, what
do you do? What do you do with Curry? Like
you just just chase him all over the floor or
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is there a reality that he's gonna get his and
he's gonna you just can't chase him non stop.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well, first of all, you know, all credit to Houston,
they've done one of the best jobs they've seen it
actually trying to take and succeed in some instances in games,
taking him, you know, kind of out of the game
and that's very hard to do with any great player.
Great players impact the game through a multitude of ways.
It's not just their scoring, but it's also their gravity,
their playmaking, right, you know, the their ability to distort
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your defense and and just force you to make mistakes
that you wouldn't normally make. I think, you know, Steph
does all of that, and he does it with the
constant energy and motion that you just referred to. Uh,
it's not really you know, you know when you're guarding
Steph that you have to be on high alert and
you know that you got to put the work in.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
That's just one third of the battle. The other two
third is just the continual.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Nature the locking in that you know, as he moves
around the floor and somebody else might now have to
pick him up, they've got to now assume that level
of focus and concentration. And that's not where we've been
at our best. And you know, you know, you also
know with him, you're gonna have to live with some
tough shots. He's you know, he's an incredible player. He's
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gonna make tough shots, and you can't be defeated mentally
by that. You got to come back down the next
time and be able to chase them all over the place.
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Speaker 1 (10:09):
Chris finch Seri starts tomorrow. Hell of the Lakers under
one hundred points in three of five games. Pushed him around.
Good luck pushing Draymond Green around. He is a handful.
Chris is always great seeing you.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
You bet t Wolves are a fun story. Yeah, they played,
but when they played, Jimmy Butler wasn't there, so it's
a totally different Warrior team. Kaminga is now done, Post
will play more, Butler's obviously there. Pods is a better
player than he was earlier in the year, but Julius
Randall now is a different player than he was earlier
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in the year. So, I mean, you know what people
always talking about. Nobody watched his NBA regular season basketball, Well,
it's I mean, baseball, hockey, college basketball. People watch big
events in this country, but you can watch a lot
of regular season basketball. Playoff basketball is just different. And
when you play the same team over and over and over, guys,
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know what Austin Reeves can and can't do, and they
just you have a limited repertoire of what you can do,
whereas a guy like Curry has fundamentally so many things
he can do that you can't stop him. So when
you kind of a one or a two dimensional player
and you don't have a ton of athletic gifts, I
think you're easier to defend. That's why Westbrook can flourish
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in the postseason because he does so many things, and
Lebron flourishes in the postseason. And by the way, Draymond
Green can flourish in the postseason. He can defend, he
can be a catalyst, he can be a connective passer,
he can shoot an occasional three, he can be a bully.
And when you're playing the same guys over and over,
you gotta have a lot of cards in the deck.
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You got to be able to do a lot. That's
why Yokich is such a great playoff player. He can
beat you so many different ways.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
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Speaker 1 (12:06):
Let's get started with Shador Sanders Collins. So you know
he had met.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
With the New York Giants and according to Albert Rear,
Shadeur was given a mock playbook install with errors on purpose.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Sure, Shador did not catch them and got called out
on it.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
According to the New York Post, Shador and the Giants
were unhappy. Shadoor came out of the meeting pissed, and
Brian Dable didn't appreciate Shador's reaction.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Now, this is interesting.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
This is the equivalent of what a teacher giving a
test with spelling errors and you got to catch them.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
No, because a teacher, you're not an employee, you're a student.
He's not an employee of the New York Giants.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Well, he's angling to be an employee, a highly compensated
reviewing you for a job.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And I'm like, I'm going to see if this guy
pays attention. And I said, you know, my favorite player
is Amaran Saint Brown of the band, and you'd go
Packers or you'd go lying, yeah, And I'd throw it
out there just to test you. I'd say, man, I
tell you that I love a Men Thompson of the
Orlando Magic, and you'd be my place for the Rockets.
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And I just want to see, well, I like sports,
so this is not a problem. No, no, no, And
he likes football, so you'd think he would know it.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It's not student teacher, it's employer and potential employee. And
I'm going to test you.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
When I interviewed for another company, they they threw some
uh well, seventy eight mile an hour sliders and I
hit them out of the park. But the point being
is they're testing you.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Yeah, they're sinking millions of dollars into first round quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I have a problem with this.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Don't you know yet?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Problem? And again it's quarterback. Quarterback's different the fact that
you know, the kid that grew up was, you know,
in a wealthy family, like oh yeah, I mean I
would say, if you grow up like Shador where you
had some money around you in life, are arch Manning?
So arch Manning's grown up in a world of comfort
comparatively to the rest of us or a brawny James.
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I think one of the things you wonder if I
was if I was interviewing arch Manning, I'd think, well,
he grew up with comfort. I'm going to make him
uncomfortable and see how he rexx. Is he short tempered?
Is he you know what I mean? Like, like test
him on its arch Manning capable? Oh? Duress. Life's not planned.
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You don't have great protection a Texas anymore and five
star receivers, so I think that stuff's all fair game.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
How much of this has to do with Kyler Marie
a couple of years ago getting a play like a
computer with hey, here's film of our opponent coming up,
and he didn't watch it ever, And I just wonder
if that lack of.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Like, hey, I got that on him? Manueldar.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
There's there's a.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Lot of guys out there, and I wonder if the
giants are like, listen, we have concerns about this dude.
He might be well liked, but is he going to
put into work? I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, Hody the NFL quarterback for years and years, I
used to talk about this all the time, is that
it was amazing that all many of the great quarterbacks
Big Ben from Miami of Ohio, Aaron Rodgers Junior College,
Cow even now, josh Allen Wyoming mahomes at a non
football power. Why is that Matt Ryan Boston College, very few,
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Peyton Mannings number one high school, number one college, number
one NFL? Why? Because the NFL quarterback is all about
discomfort help. Practice is hard in the NFL. So if
you've lived a life of comfort, oh, I was a
five star guy that went to Alabama. I never got sacked.
I had a great run game. I played in the lead.
That's not the NFL. The NFL is. I mean, what
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the NFL is is Mahomes. I've got to drop fifty
five or we lose again. It's josh Lamar Jackson, Louisville. Okay,
we're playing Clemson. They got better players. So if you
look at a lot a lot of these NFL quarterbacks,
it wasn't a comfortable life. They were overlooked. They had
to fight for their starting job. So I think Shador Sanders,
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You're like, look this kids live a pretty comfortable life.
Let's make him a little uncomfortable and see if he
catches it. It'd be one thing if you didn't catch it,
but to not catch it and then react playing that
is a deal breaker for that position.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
By the way, shout out to Breer. This is the
kind of stuff that not a lot of people are
going to report because you don't want to damage friendships
with the Giants or Dion Breer.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Just that's a big scoop. I like this story a lot.
I think there's a.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Lot of meat on that boone and it's a fascinating
one from the Giants engineers.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It means Shaudor can't succeed. Now, this is a wake
up call, I think for sure.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Next up is the Miami Dolphins have been open about
looking to trade Jalen Ramsey, and it sounds like the
Rams could be looking at a reunion with their.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Former cornerback, who I called a pilot. Well, they've got
two fives, two sixes, two sevens, two ones. They're not
trading to one.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Of course, here's what McVey said regarding Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
He is a total stud and you look at obviously
he's continue to play at a really high level, special competitor,
great person, great father, and so there are a lot
of layers when you're talking about a player of his caliber,
all right, you know with regards to the contract, the compensation,
uh that they would be looking for in exchange for
receiving a player of his magnitude and so, uh, those
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conversations are ongoing, as I'm sure they are with multiple teams.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I give up a fifth round pick for him because
I got a pay him. I got two fives. Yeah,
I don't know. I might my take on Jalen Ramsey.
So the Rams did not draft the corner in this draft,
which was the kind of strange move. They can also
pick up somebody at some point. It was the only
thing about their draft they didn't like they need another corner.
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Their their fin there and I think they know it.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
So in addition, this is just breaking right now. Ian
Rappaport is reporting the Rams and Stafford have finally finalized
terms on his new deal. How long, According to Rappaport,
Stafford will earn this is an interesting number.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I'm just gonna put the name out there.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Brock Purty.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Okay, Stafford will earn forty four million this year, four
million already paid in the other forty million guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, forty four million, don Matt Stafford. That's a team
friendly deal. Yeah. And by the way, brock Purdy not
in the same class once fifty eight Yeah no, thanks,
That is I told you the reason the Rams over
the last two years have elevated over the Niners. They
are better upstairs. They are they are not handing out money,
they are drafting better, and they are much more disciplined.
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The Niners handed out too much candy to all the
kids Halloween. Everybody gets kit Cat. It started with the
Auke deal. That was he's got to turn it around.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
That Stafford number is very interesting in the division. Stafford
got a Super Bowl, he was a number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
He just does. This is the advantage to Sean McVay.
You can say, well, you could leave, but you don't
get McVay. Well, Stafford would have a market. I've market
than perty. Okay, go ahead, go ahead and playing Pittsburgh
well with that offensive line and that culture. Or you
get McBay and Stan Cronky, Phuka Nakua, a great defense
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where nobody can score. I'm telling you that Ram defense
next year. Well wait a minute, hold lights out. The
Rams are a super Bowl team with Matt Stafford. If
he moves on, they're not sniffing the super Bowl. So
it goes both ways.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Wait a minute, what are you saying, Jimmy Garoppolo still
could put this roster in Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Can Now I'm saying it's mutually beneficial. So Matt, let's
get you another ring at fifty eight. We're gonna have
to let go guys at forty four or not because
the Rams have drafted so well the last two years
that that defense now is free.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Now you could also counter Stafford. Not that we're looking
at his pockets. He's made a ton of money being
a number one pick multiple contracts. Party's still searching for
it after making like eight hundred thousand last year or
whatever the number was.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You know, I'm not anti Party, I'm anti Purty at
fifty four. Forty fifty four is the fifty two. I'm
bot no. I mean, if you give me perty at
thirty eight to forty one, I can loop with.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
There's no way he's taking less than what Daniel Jones got,
and that's that they shouldn't ask me. Final story WNBA
Caitlyn Clark Colin. This was a preseason game. It was
a two hour wait to get into uh the arena
in Iowa. Kateler Clark had sixteen and five dropped a
thirty six foot three.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean she was cooking. I'm just telling you right now.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Indiana fever are I think they have the second best
odds to win the title.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
They had a good offseason.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Here's Kitlin Clark on returning to Iowa.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
I felt good. I it was fun to get out there.
I haven't played basketball in over like two hundred days,
so I was a little, you know, nervous going into it.
I don't get nervous, but nervous just because you know,
I haven't been able to play basketball in a really
long time. And the competitive spirit in me, like, you
just want to play really good for these fans. And
once you get into the Flova, you know, knock some
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rest off and it'll be the same when we go
to Atlanta that next week. Just continue to build, continue
to build, and hopefully by you know, game one year,
you're ready to go.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, Haliburton and Caitlyn Clark pretty good back court.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
By the way.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
So two things after the game, I don't know if
you've seen this video, the Brazilian players came up and
we're like, Kaitlyn, can you sign my jersey and shorts?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And they're wearing here it is here, it is.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
They're wearing the shorts and asking Caitlyn Clark to sign it.
That was the team that just played. That was like
Michael Jordan in the Dream Team Olympics. Remember where the
opponents will come up.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
The tickets for this sold out in twenty four minutes.
The average price was four hundred and forty bucks. I'm
telling you it's Taylor Swift. Man, this is Unbelievable's don precedent.
They will beat these these WNBA fever ratings this year.
Watch them beat like other major sports. You know, we
should go when they play the Sparks out here. You
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go to the game.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I'd go to the game and then we get to
meet Kaylyn Clark afterwards.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Can you make that happen? Well, I tend to pay
for my own tickets, stop and not be a disruptor.
I like to go subtly. There's no reason for me.
Yeah there is. You want hands Kaylen Clark.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
You just said she's Taylor Swift, So you want to
meet Taylor Swift?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You do know what me Kayln Clark. Caitlin Clark is
gonna have a million people that want to meet give
it you're Colin coward man. Yeah, I think she does.
I think she got bigger stars than me. Well, my
daughter would be thrilled if she made that happen.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Anyways, Also, you mentioned I should Tyree's Haliburton Kaitlin Clark
in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I asked one of the prettyers gone Zaga guard the
other guy to have. Oh Nemar, Yeah, real quick, Halliburton
or Kate, Kate cutting in. That's tough. Well, Kate, I
think some more will be a more gifted. They're both great. Yeah,
that's a tough one. I'll let it marinate for the
next Maybe a trade happened, they play together. It's Kate
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is going I feel bad for the next once. Detroit
now is gonna get run. Here's the thing, Indiana and Detroit.
All you look at is a Knick fan is ooh
Celtics calves you watching Indiana? They're good. I like them.
They're not just good. I said they were conference finals
before the season.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
You can look that up.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
No, and they're also fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
By the way, I did have the Wolves in the championship.
I swear it was my pick. Before the season. It
looked dumb for like sixty games. Now it look like
a genius.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I wouldn't go that far. Jmack with the news, Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd
Line news. And there's things, there's things developing here. Hold
no one second, folks.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
By the way, when the brock Pretty deal becomes official,
is that going to be like a two hour bonanza
for you.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
No, I know what the numbers. I mean again, I'll
just say to all you Niner fans, the Rams would
get him at forty million. Let's see what the Niners
get him at. That's what the Rams would get him at.
The Rams would say, McVay, stankrass, do better go to
the market. Carolina may have an opening. I mean, to
get Stafford for forty four is a pretty good indicator
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that the Rams are Like, listen, this is a super
Bowl team. You don't have to play here. Pittsburgh's got
an opening. This is a super Bowl team. Let's all
do this together. Super Bowl team with you, Matt Stafford,
part Stafford. You're not winning it without McVeigh. It goes
both ways. Forty four millions a lot of them up
against Mike Tomlin. He's got a super Bowl ring. I
think he has as many super Bowls as mister McVeigh.
(24:29):
Twenty twenty five. Maybe which franchise is dialed in? Offensively?
Oh that's fair. Okay, Steelers have so much money on defense,
they're limited offensively. And I can like Tomlin, but Tomlin
has not delivered in the last decade he had. I'm
looking at it here. Tomlin has not won a playoff game.
It's like eight years, eight years. And for the record,
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during that time, he's had a great defense. So it's
not like he's got a bad roster. He's like continuity,
good ownership, solid GMing on defense. Hasn't won a playoff game.
I'm not looking to peel off four of them. How
about one? So I know, I think the Rams would
get pretty at forty.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
So the smart move is the Niners inc a fifty
five million dollar deal with Purty the day before the
schedule comes out and everybody's off party at a day
talking about the schedule, right, that's the move. Or bury
it at five o'clock on a Friday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I would bury it at midnight on a Friday. It's
the hurt.
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Speaker 1 (26:40):
Just found out. Next Wednesday is NFL a schedule release day.
I don't know, I'll be dizzy. I'll be doing these
schedules here inside of my mock drafts as usual. The
other thing is will the Pittsburgh Steelers be left at
the altar with Aaron Rodgers. They don't have a starting
quarterback after Will Howard, Mason Rudolph, those feel like backups.
(27:03):
Will they be left at the altar? Matt Hasselbeck said,
I said, what's the what's the bottom line date? What's
the latest you could get there if you were Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 10 (27:11):
Phase three I think is really important. So for the
Pittsburgh Steelers, I believe that's May twenty seventh. May twenty
seventh is the start of phase three. They also have
a mandatory mini camp, which would technically be June tenth.
So you know, when is the day that I need to,
like all of a sudden, go from speaking Spanish to
speaking French. It's not really till week one at the
NFL season, because because of who you are, you're Aaron Rodgers, you'll.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Figure it out. You can speak enough to get by.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
But to me, I think I would circle that May
twenty seventh date as a date that like, it would
really be detrimental to be starting the missing time at
that point.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Okay, So I was thinking about this and my memory
is not serving me. So I generally after the coaching
hires and free agency, I give you my first iteration
of my NFL predictions. I didn't give my post draft predictions,
did I. So, now we've had all the coaching changes,
(28:11):
all the free agency moves, and the draft. Have I
given a draft. I don't think I have because I
wait for the coaching changes in free agency and I say, Okay,
you know, like I said before that, I said New
England between Vrabel from Jared maynerd to Frabel and two
hundred million dollars in free agency, that's a totally different team.
So I think tomorrow we'll do that at the top
(28:33):
of the ten. Okay, Now we've got new coaching staffs
free agency, and like Seattle got three starters minimum out
of that draft, like at Key Spots and Jalen Milroll
will play. So I think we need to do and
(28:54):
then we won't do another one until it's almost like
right like training camp. So I think, yeah, and then
we do a final one on training camp injuries right
before this, So we have three left. Tomorrow, I think
we'll do one. I'll line it up because I didn't love.
(29:14):
I got to tell you a team that I'm just
struggling with is the forty nine ers. I didn't love
their draft. They lost Kufunga in Greenlaw essential parts of
the defense. I thought they're draft. They got better on
the d line, that's indisputable, but I don't love their
offensive line, and they're gonna have to be pretty a
boat load, and they're not as good in the secondary,
and they've been hitting miss on. They don't draft as
(29:35):
well as the Rams the last several years, So I
I think I'm pretty close. I don't know. I'd argue
this window with them with cheap quarterbacks on team friendly deals.
If this number gets up into the fifties or high forties,
I don't see it. I don't see it. The other thing,
let me you've got an opinion on that now. I
(29:55):
was just gonna say, I'm looking at the Niners secondary.
What is going on here?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Shrey and Ronardo Green are their cornerbacks. I don't that's
not good.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Colin.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
This is this defense. And let me tell you something.
Something crazy happens every year. I don't want to bet
against Kyle Shanahan, though I think that is risky. Every
other year they've struggled. Let's say so last year they struggled,
they're going to bounce back. Let me throw this at you.
You know whom the two best drafts. There's an argument
they were Seattle in Arizona. Arizona's Arizona's on the come up.
(30:29):
Arizona's defense is going to be nasty.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
But is Kyler Murray? Does he give you any confidence?
Because I didn't see it last year. He really hurt them.
But they got McBride, Harrison Connor. That's a good trio.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
No, they got better skill position guys than the Cowboys. No,
they they they're they're draft Their defensive coach just said
we're going defense. The Seahawks did the opposite. They got
better with Darnold. They went and got a tight end.
I mean, so yeah, last in that division. San Francis stop.
No way. If Matcaffey are healthy, there's no I'll make
(31:02):
an argument next year. What if I told you every
year has a weird vibe, Like last year was the
year of the rookie quarterback. Jayden Daniels gets to the
NFC Championship. Bo Nicks makes the playoffs. You're like, these
guys are good, Drake may Oh, they found there justin Herbert.
(31:22):
What if next year in the NFL is the year
of big brands finishing fourth, the Dallas Cowboys, the forty
nine Ers, the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's a hot take. You
just come up with that on the fly. Yeah, this
thing never shuts off. No, I think that the year
of the big brands bottoming out. I'm sorry between no,
(31:48):
because they haven't been winning. How about this green Bay.
Detroit's got the best roster.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
You know, I like Minnesota, but green Bay's not a
bad ad there.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Okay, okay, just because you're doesn't mean you don't have players.
They could be eight to nine, no question. I mean
last year, at the end of the year, Jordan Love
was all over the map. He was he was not great.
Now I got Dak Prescott in Dallas off a second
surgery and he's now just a pocket quarterback. Dak's not
a great pocket quarterback. In San Francisco, I think Seattle
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and the Cardinals had great off seasons. And well, I
think the Rams are They were a fifteen yard line
to end up to the NFC.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Anyway, you haven't picked your AFC team to face the
Rams in the Super Bowl yet.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
No, and Rams are NFC. You haven't picked your AFC.
Come on, say it, bu Bu Buffalo. Yeah, baby, Phil's mafia,
it ain't gonna be. The chief might be was Baltimore. Okay,
din't go wrong with Baltimore and the Rams Lamar love it. No,
(32:56):
I don't, I don't. I've told you. I think the
Chiefs are a wild card team that division. Now, if
they're lucky, if Ashton gent gives them the running game,
we think and the Raiders are predicted for fourth is
a great fourth. Think about this. Last year bad at
quarterback didn't have the coaching staff gave the Chiefs out
(33:17):
played them. I could argue both times they played. How
is Nick going to handle this?
Speaker 5 (33:21):
If Lebron bounce in the first round and the Chiefs
don't even make the playoffs, is he gonna be?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Okay, Nick's life is great. He can handle his Chiefs
the playoffs because you know, nobody stays on top forever.
I think the NFL tends to be a little bit
more predictable than we think. Like we know we know
in baseball there's certain payrolls that are going to make
the playoffs, and we know in the NBA there are
certain rosters that will they're about I mean, AFC is
(33:46):
pretty easy to predict. Andy Reid and Mahomes will figure
out a way to get in, but they're not going
eleven and zero in one score games. If they go
seven and four, you'd take it today. Oh hell yeah,
we'll see the my
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
They not only beat the Lakers, they pushed them around,
out coached them, out played them, had so much more
dexterity offensively. A very impressive series and now a totally
different team, although they are a little long in the tooth,
but it's the Warriors, and Chris Finch, the head coach,
is now joining us. So it's weird because I once
(00:46):
again feel like the Warriors are gonna play a bigger,
deeper team. The differences. Your bigs are old guys that
have been around the block, and Houston is a much
younger team, and I think they took advantage of their youth.
How much do you even take from that Houston Warrior series?
I mean, do you look at it and just we're
(01:08):
just a different team.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, I think I think we start there. I do
think we just we are a different team. We have
a different defensive philosophy. Of course, there's always things you
can learn when you watch a series, and and that
that series was very intriguing, very fascinating to watch. I
mean it was extremely physical. I thought at the times
it bordered on out of control. But you know, given
(01:31):
the amount of physicality that they're allowing in the playoffs
that I think you can see the impact that it
does have on a high functioning offense like Golden State.
You know, you know you're going to have to be
physical with them. You've got to try to be disruptive
and slow them down. But you know, every team is
built differently, and every team has to play to their strengths.
And you know, what what Houston was able to do
(01:54):
may not be exactly what we're able to accomplish at
the high level.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So you have, you know, voice can concerned you. And
Steve kerr bo said, this thing's out of control. It's physical.
Yet yet that physicality was very disruptive to the Lakers.
So as a coach, what do you look at and
say to yourself, Chris, Okay, that's that's out of control.
Because Jay McK and I argue about this all the time.
(02:18):
I love physical basketball. He's a finesse guy over there
jacking up threes. What do you look at and go okay,
reps time out. Guys get over here that can't go Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I think I think to be to be clear, Colin,
I think every coach in the NBA, would you know,
welcomes in physicality, actually embraces it. I think we all
love physical basketball. I don't think that's what you know,
Steve or I are saying. Well, I think what we're
saying is like it seems at times out of context,
(02:51):
and in the first round of games, it seems out
of context where it was actually affecting the basketball that
was able to be played, and it didn't feel like, hey,
we're just going to allow you to be more physical.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
While that was certainly going on, what.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
It felt like is that they just decided to not
call some amount.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Of foul right right, And that's different.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
You know, that is what leaves players and coaches frustrated.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
That's what leads to kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Things getting slightly out of control, if not completely out
of control.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So I said on the air, I theorized, I said,
when JJ Reddick with an older Lebron and Luca and
Austin reeves. He was struggling when he decided to play
his starters. Whether you agree with it or not, I said,
I bet you Finch and his staff said, hey, let's
just go bigger. We're going to go bigger with Rudy
Gobert did that game and his decision. I mean, this
(03:43):
whole series is all you guys are changing things, But
it did feel like you came in with even a
different game plan the next game after that Game four decision?
Was that part of it?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Well, we've always leaned into being a big team, and
when you have you know, historically we've had you know,
Karl Anthony Towns, or you have Rudy Gobert, or you
have Julius Randall and nas Reed six Man of the Year,
like these are some of.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Your best players.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
And you know you're not just gonna take him off
the floor because somebody goes small. You have to find
a way to maximize who you are and lean into
those strengths. Yeah, there's gonna be times where you get
a little bit exposed for for it. But we've preached
to Rudy ever since he got here that you know,
(04:33):
we need to be highly flexible with the things we're
going to ask you to do through the regular season,
so when it comes to the playoffs, you know, you
can't be marginalized by teams just going small. And you
know in that series, you know, Rudy just stayed patient
when they made some adjustments that allowed him to have
(04:53):
the big Game four, And you know, he did a
great job of just staying focused and calm and remaining
the part of that series, even though at times, uh,
you know, he wasn't as impactful as he certainly was
in that Game five.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So when you made the Julius Rantal move, I didn't
love it. I said, he's not a great postseason player.
I don't know if he fits. And then I didn't
even like it when I watched it early in the year,
I'm like, I'm not sure if this works. And then
all of a sudden, I watch him late in the
year and I watched him against the Lakers, I'm like,
who's this? When did you know? And it's okay to
admit that this leads a fit league with very few exceptions.
(05:29):
When did you know? Okay, this is gonna work. He's
found his way with this offense and his touches.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, we started to figure it out in late in
mid to late December, you know, that's what I started
to see what we could possibly become, particularly with Julius.
And to be fair to Julius, at times we've asked
him to do different things and he's done that.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It just it may not have been the right thing.
You know. We I told him.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Early on, we need you to score, score score. I
thought that's what we were going to need, and what
we really needed was just more of his all around game,
his playmaking and his scoring. But when he started to
kind of playmake first teammates and be a point forward
for us.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I always point to a.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Game in December we played at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
We played the Knicks. It was as a return home game.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
You can imagine how emotionally charged that's going to be
for him personally.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I think he took three or four shots Colin, but
he just played.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
An incredible all around game, whether it be defense, rebounding,
creating pace, creating first teammates with the pass, just doing
all the little things.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
And to me, that was the moment.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And I'll always point to that as kind of our
team growing up and growing up around Julius and Julius
realizing like, this is what we need to win.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
We won that night.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
We won on Christmas Day, which was another big game
for us, and we had been starting to play a
little bit better and he had a monster game on
Christmas Day, both scoring and creating.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
So it's been an evolution.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
All these things always are, it's not always the player's fault.
I was extremely happy and proud that he played so
well in the in the Lakers series, because you know,
he has had some unfair criticism of his playoff performances.
You know, with those early Knicks teams, he didn't have
a lot of help, let's say, so it's easy to
(07:31):
game plan a guy out if he's really the only
and dominant scorer. So it gets hard for some of
those guys at some point in time. So I know
he was focused on having a great playoffs. He did
so far, he's got off to a really good start,
and you know, we just love him. We love what
he's brought here with our with his toughness, his physicality.
He gave us a perfect Lebron matchup in a lot
(07:54):
of ways, which is what we needed.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
So he was huge.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
So you guys didn't play the Warrior very well, you
played him before the Jimmy Butler trade. But I remember
one game in particular that you know, Curry's running around
crazy and sometimes Aunt or whoever's guarding him just get lost.
He's running through screens, he's running all over the floor,
and some of your guys are just like, if you
don't pay attention to steph Curry, he's in another continent,
(08:18):
He's on the other side of the floor. How much
what do you do? Like Houston said, Okay, we're gonna
double the minute, get over half court, but then Buddy
heals wide open. Then Buddy can shoot. By the way,
now Pods now is shooting with more confidence than he
was thirty five forty games ago. So I mean, what
do you do? What do you do with Curry? Like
you just just chase him all over the floor or
(08:41):
is there a reality that he's gonna get his and
he's gonna you just can't chase him non stop.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well, first of all, you know, all credit to Houston,
they've done one of the best jobs they've seen it
actually trying to take and succeed in some instances in games,
taking him, you know, kind of out of the game
and that's very hard to do with any great player.
Great players impact the game through a multitude of ways.
It's not just their scoring, but it's also their gravity,
their playmaking, right, you know, the their ability to distort
(09:14):
your defense and and just force you to make mistakes
that you wouldn't normally make. I think, you know, Steph
does all of that, and he does it with the
constant energy and motion that you just referred to. Uh,
it's not really you know, you know when you're guarding
Steph that you have to be on high alert and
you know that you got to put the work in.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
That's just one third of the battle. The other two
third is just the continual.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Nature the locking in that you know, as he moves
around the floor and somebody else might now have to
pick him up, they've got to now assume that level
of focus and concentration. And that's not where we've been
at our best. And you know, you know, you also
know with him, you're gonna have to live with some
tough shots. He's you know, he's an incredible player. He's
(09:57):
gonna make tough shots, and you can't be defeated mentally
by that. You got to come back down the next
time and be able to chase them all over the place.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
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Speaker 1 (10:09):
Chris finch Seri starts tomorrow. Hell of the Lakers under
one hundred points in three of five games. Pushed him around.
Good luck pushing Draymond Green around. He is a handful.
Chris is always great seeing you.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
You bet t Wolves are a fun story. Yeah, they played,
but when they played, Jimmy Butler wasn't there, so it's
a totally different Warrior team. Kaminga is now done, Post
will play more, Butler's obviously there. Pods is a better
player than he was earlier in the year, but Julius
Randall now is a different player than he was earlier
(10:47):
in the year. So, I mean, you know what people
always talking about. Nobody watched his NBA regular season basketball, Well,
it's I mean, baseball, hockey, college basketball. People watch big
events in this country, but you can watch a lot
of regular season basketball. Playoff basketball is just different. And
when you play the same team over and over and over, guys,
(11:09):
know what Austin Reeves can and can't do, and they
just you have a limited repertoire of what you can do,
whereas a guy like Curry has fundamentally so many things
he can do that you can't stop him. So when
you kind of a one or a two dimensional player
and you don't have a ton of athletic gifts, I
think you're easier to defend. That's why Westbrook can flourish
(11:31):
in the postseason because he does so many things, and
Lebron flourishes in the postseason. And by the way, Draymond
Green can flourish in the postseason. He can defend, he
can be a catalyst, he can be a connective passer,
he can shoot an occasional three, he can be a bully.
And when you're playing the same guys over and over,
you gotta have a lot of cards in the deck.
(11:52):
You got to be able to do a lot. That's
why Yokich is such a great playoff player. He can
beat you so many different ways.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
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Speaker 1 (12:06):
Let's get started with Shador Sanders Collins. So you know
he had met.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
With the New York Giants and according to Albert Rear,
Shadeur was given a mock playbook install with errors on purpose.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Sure, Shador did not catch them and got called out
on it.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
According to the New York Post, Shador and the Giants
were unhappy. Shadoor came out of the meeting pissed, and
Brian Dable didn't appreciate Shador's reaction.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Now, this is interesting.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
This is the equivalent of what a teacher giving a
test with spelling errors and you got to catch them.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
No, because a teacher, you're not an employee, you're a student.
He's not an employee of the New York Giants.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Well, he's angling to be an employee, a highly compensated
reviewing you for a job.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And I'm like, I'm going to see if this guy
pays attention. And I said, you know, my favorite player
is Amaran Saint Brown of the band, and you'd go
Packers or you'd go lying, yeah, And I'd throw it
out there just to test you. I'd say, man, I
tell you that I love a Men Thompson of the
Orlando Magic, and you'd be my place for the Rockets.
(13:13):
And I just want to see, well, I like sports,
so this is not a problem. No, no, no, And
he likes football, so you'd think he would know it.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It's not student teacher, it's employer and potential employee. And
I'm going to test you.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
When I interviewed for another company, they they threw some
uh well, seventy eight mile an hour sliders and I
hit them out of the park. But the point being
is they're testing you.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Yeah, they're sinking millions of dollars into first round quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I have a problem with this.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Don't you know yet?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Problem? And again it's quarterback. Quarterback's different the fact that
you know, the kid that grew up was, you know,
in a wealthy family, like oh yeah, I mean I
would say, if you grow up like Shador where you
had some money around you in life, are arch Manning?
So arch Manning's grown up in a world of comfort
comparatively to the rest of us or a brawny James.
(14:09):
I think one of the things you wonder if I
was if I was interviewing arch Manning, I'd think, well,
he grew up with comfort. I'm going to make him
uncomfortable and see how he rexx. Is he short tempered?
Is he you know what I mean? Like, like test
him on its arch Manning capable? Oh? Duress. Life's not planned.
(14:30):
You don't have great protection a Texas anymore and five
star receivers, so I think that stuff's all fair game.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
How much of this has to do with Kyler Marie
a couple of years ago getting a play like a
computer with hey, here's film of our opponent coming up,
and he didn't watch it ever, And I just wonder
if that lack of.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Like, hey, I got that on him? Manueldar.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
There's there's a.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Lot of guys out there, and I wonder if the
giants are like, listen, we have concerns about this dude.
He might be well liked, but is he going to
put into work? I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, Hody the NFL quarterback for years and years, I
used to talk about this all the time, is that
it was amazing that all many of the great quarterbacks
Big Ben from Miami of Ohio, Aaron Rodgers Junior College,
Cow even now, josh Allen Wyoming mahomes at a non
football power. Why is that Matt Ryan Boston College, very few,
(15:29):
Peyton Mannings number one high school, number one college, number
one NFL? Why? Because the NFL quarterback is all about
discomfort help. Practice is hard in the NFL. So if
you've lived a life of comfort, oh, I was a
five star guy that went to Alabama. I never got sacked.
I had a great run game. I played in the lead.
That's not the NFL. The NFL is. I mean, what
(15:55):
the NFL is is Mahomes. I've got to drop fifty
five or we lose again. It's josh Lamar Jackson, Louisville. Okay,
we're playing Clemson. They got better players. So if you
look at a lot a lot of these NFL quarterbacks,
it wasn't a comfortable life. They were overlooked. They had
to fight for their starting job. So I think Shador Sanders,
(16:15):
You're like, look this kids live a pretty comfortable life.
Let's make him a little uncomfortable and see if he
catches it. It'd be one thing if you didn't catch it,
but to not catch it and then react playing that
is a deal breaker for that position.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
By the way, shout out to Breer. This is the
kind of stuff that not a lot of people are
going to report because you don't want to damage friendships
with the Giants or Dion Breer.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Just that's a big scoop. I like this story a lot.
I think there's a.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Lot of meat on that boone and it's a fascinating
one from the Giants engineers.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It means Shaudor can't succeed. Now, this is a wake
up call, I think for sure.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Next up is the Miami Dolphins have been open about
looking to trade Jalen Ramsey, and it sounds like the
Rams could be looking at a reunion with their.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Former cornerback, who I called a pilot. Well, they've got
two fives, two sixes, two sevens, two ones. They're not
trading to one.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Of course, here's what McVey said regarding Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
He is a total stud and you look at obviously
he's continue to play at a really high level, special competitor,
great person, great father, and so there are a lot
of layers when you're talking about a player of his caliber,
all right, you know with regards to the contract, the compensation,
uh that they would be looking for in exchange for
receiving a player of his magnitude and so, uh, those
(17:33):
conversations are ongoing, as I'm sure they are with multiple teams.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I give up a fifth round pick for him because
I got a pay him. I got two fives. Yeah,
I don't know. I might my take on Jalen Ramsey.
So the Rams did not draft the corner in this draft,
which was the kind of strange move. They can also
pick up somebody at some point. It was the only
thing about their draft they didn't like they need another corner.
(17:58):
Their their fin there and I think they know it.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
So in addition, this is just breaking right now. Ian
Rappaport is reporting the Rams and Stafford have finally finalized
terms on his new deal. How long, According to Rappaport,
Stafford will earn this is an interesting number.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I'm just gonna put the name out there.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Brock Purty.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Okay, Stafford will earn forty four million this year, four
million already paid in the other forty million guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, forty four million, don Matt Stafford. That's a team
friendly deal. Yeah. And by the way, brock Purdy not
in the same class once fifty eight Yeah no, thanks,
That is I told you the reason the Rams over
the last two years have elevated over the Niners. They
are better upstairs. They are they are not handing out money,
they are drafting better, and they are much more disciplined.
(18:45):
The Niners handed out too much candy to all the
kids Halloween. Everybody gets kit Cat. It started with the
Auke deal. That was he's got to turn it around.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
That Stafford number is very interesting in the division. Stafford
got a Super Bowl, he was a number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
He just does. This is the advantage to Sean McVay.
You can say, well, you could leave, but you don't
get McVay. Well, Stafford would have a market. I've market
than perty. Okay, go ahead, go ahead and playing Pittsburgh
well with that offensive line and that culture. Or you
get McBay and Stan Cronky, Phuka Nakua, a great defense
(19:20):
where nobody can score. I'm telling you that Ram defense
next year. Well wait a minute, hold lights out. The
Rams are a super Bowl team with Matt Stafford. If
he moves on, they're not sniffing the super Bowl. So
it goes both ways.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Wait a minute, what are you saying, Jimmy Garoppolo still
could put this roster in Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Can Now I'm saying it's mutually beneficial. So Matt, let's
get you another ring at fifty eight. We're gonna have
to let go guys at forty four or not because
the Rams have drafted so well the last two years
that that defense now is free.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Now you could also counter Stafford. Not that we're looking
at his pockets. He's made a ton of money being
a number one pick multiple contracts. Party's still searching for
it after making like eight hundred thousand last year or
whatever the number was.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You know, I'm not anti Party, I'm anti Purty at
fifty four. Forty fifty four is the fifty two. I'm
bot no. I mean, if you give me perty at
thirty eight to forty one, I can loop with.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
There's no way he's taking less than what Daniel Jones got,
and that's that they shouldn't ask me. Final story WNBA
Caitlyn Clark Colin. This was a preseason game. It was
a two hour wait to get into uh the arena
in Iowa. Kateler Clark had sixteen and five dropped a
thirty six foot three.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean she was cooking. I'm just telling you right now.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Indiana fever are I think they have the second best
odds to win the title.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
They had a good offseason.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Here's Kitlin Clark on returning to Iowa.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
I felt good. I it was fun to get out there.
I haven't played basketball in over like two hundred days,
so I was a little, you know, nervous going into it.
I don't get nervous, but nervous just because you know,
I haven't been able to play basketball in a really
long time. And the competitive spirit in me, like, you
just want to play really good for these fans. And
once you get into the Flova, you know, knock some
(21:07):
rest off and it'll be the same when we go
to Atlanta that next week. Just continue to build, continue
to build, and hopefully by you know, game one year,
you're ready to go.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, Haliburton and Caitlyn Clark pretty good back court.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
By the way.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
So two things after the game, I don't know if
you've seen this video, the Brazilian players came up and
we're like, Kaitlyn, can you sign my jersey and shorts?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And they're wearing here it is here, it is.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
They're wearing the shorts and asking Caitlyn Clark to sign it.
That was the team that just played. That was like
Michael Jordan in the Dream Team Olympics. Remember where the
opponents will come up.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
The tickets for this sold out in twenty four minutes.
The average price was four hundred and forty bucks. I'm
telling you it's Taylor Swift. Man, this is Unbelievable's don precedent.
They will beat these these WNBA fever ratings this year.
Watch them beat like other major sports. You know, we
should go when they play the Sparks out here. You
(22:00):
go to the game.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I'd go to the game and then we get to
meet Kaylyn Clark afterwards.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Can you make that happen? Well, I tend to pay
for my own tickets, stop and not be a disruptor.
I like to go subtly. There's no reason for me.
Yeah there is. You want hands Kaylen Clark.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
You just said she's Taylor Swift, So you want to
meet Taylor Swift?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You do know what me Kayln Clark. Caitlin Clark is
gonna have a million people that want to meet give
it you're Colin coward man. Yeah, I think she does.
I think she got bigger stars than me. Well, my
daughter would be thrilled if she made that happen.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Anyways, Also, you mentioned I should Tyree's Haliburton Kaitlin Clark
in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I asked one of the prettyers gone Zaga guard the
other guy to have. Oh Nemar, Yeah, real quick, Halliburton
or Kate, Kate cutting in. That's tough. Well, Kate, I
think some more will be a more gifted. They're both great. Yeah,
that's a tough one. I'll let it marinate for the
next Maybe a trade happened, they play together. It's Kate
(22:59):
is going I feel bad for the next once. Detroit
now is gonna get run. Here's the thing, Indiana and Detroit.
All you look at is a Knick fan is ooh
Celtics calves you watching Indiana? They're good. I like them.
They're not just good. I said they were conference finals
before the season.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
You can look that up.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
No, and they're also fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
By the way, I did have the Wolves in the championship.
I swear it was my pick. Before the season. It
looked dumb for like sixty games. Now it look like
a genius.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I wouldn't go that far. Jmack with the news, Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd
Line news. And there's things, there's things developing here. Hold
no one second, folks.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
By the way, when the brock Pretty deal becomes official,
is that going to be like a two hour bonanza
for you.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
No, I know what the numbers. I mean again, I'll
just say to all you Niner fans, the Rams would
get him at forty million. Let's see what the Niners
get him at. That's what the Rams would get him at.
The Rams would say, McVay, stankrass, do better go to
the market. Carolina may have an opening. I mean, to
get Stafford for forty four is a pretty good indicator
(24:07):
that the Rams are Like, listen, this is a super
Bowl team. You don't have to play here. Pittsburgh's got
an opening. This is a super Bowl team. Let's all
do this together. Super Bowl team with you, Matt Stafford,
part Stafford. You're not winning it without McVeigh. It goes
both ways. Forty four millions a lot of them up
against Mike Tomlin. He's got a super Bowl ring. I
think he has as many super Bowls as mister McVeigh.
(24:29):
Twenty twenty five. Maybe which franchise is dialed in? Offensively?
Oh that's fair. Okay, Steelers have so much money on defense,
they're limited offensively. And I can like Tomlin, but Tomlin
has not delivered in the last decade he had. I'm
looking at it here. Tomlin has not won a playoff game.
It's like eight years, eight years. And for the record,
(24:52):
during that time, he's had a great defense. So it's
not like he's got a bad roster. He's like continuity,
good ownership, solid GMing on defense. Hasn't won a playoff game.
I'm not looking to peel off four of them. How
about one? So I know, I think the Rams would
get pretty at forty.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
So the smart move is the Niners inc a fifty
five million dollar deal with Purty the day before the
schedule comes out and everybody's off party at a day
talking about the schedule, right, that's the move. Or bury
it at five o'clock on a Friday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I would bury it at midnight on a Friday. It's
the hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
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Speaker 1 (26:40):
Just found out. Next Wednesday is NFL a schedule release day.
I don't know, I'll be dizzy. I'll be doing these
schedules here inside of my mock drafts as usual. The
other thing is will the Pittsburgh Steelers be left at
the altar with Aaron Rodgers. They don't have a starting
quarterback after Will Howard, Mason Rudolph, those feel like backups.
(27:03):
Will they be left at the altar? Matt Hasselbeck said,
I said, what's the what's the bottom line date? What's
the latest you could get there if you were Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 10 (27:11):
Phase three I think is really important. So for the
Pittsburgh Steelers, I believe that's May twenty seventh. May twenty
seventh is the start of phase three. They also have
a mandatory mini camp, which would technically be June tenth.
So you know, when is the day that I need to,
like all of a sudden, go from speaking Spanish to
speaking French. It's not really till week one at the
NFL season, because because of who you are, you're Aaron Rodgers, you'll.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Figure it out. You can speak enough to get by.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
But to me, I think I would circle that May
twenty seventh date as a date that like, it would
really be detrimental to be starting the missing time at
that point.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Okay, So I was thinking about this and my memory
is not serving me. So I generally after the coaching
hires and free agency, I give you my first iteration
of my NFL predictions. I didn't give my post draft predictions,
did I. So, now we've had all the coaching changes,
(28:11):
all the free agency moves, and the draft. Have I
given a draft. I don't think I have because I
wait for the coaching changes in free agency and I say, Okay,
you know, like I said before that, I said New
England between Vrabel from Jared maynerd to Frabel and two
hundred million dollars in free agency, that's a totally different team.
So I think tomorrow we'll do that at the top
(28:33):
of the ten. Okay, Now we've got new coaching staffs
free agency, and like Seattle got three starters minimum out
of that draft, like at Key Spots and Jalen Milroll
will play. So I think we need to do and
(28:54):
then we won't do another one until it's almost like
right like training camp. So I think, yeah, and then
we do a final one on training camp injuries right
before this, So we have three left. Tomorrow, I think
we'll do one. I'll line it up because I didn't love.
(29:14):
I got to tell you a team that I'm just
struggling with is the forty nine ers. I didn't love
their draft. They lost Kufunga in Greenlaw essential parts of
the defense. I thought they're draft. They got better on
the d line, that's indisputable, but I don't love their
offensive line, and they're gonna have to be pretty a
boat load, and they're not as good in the secondary,
and they've been hitting miss on. They don't draft as
(29:35):
well as the Rams the last several years, So I
I think I'm pretty close. I don't know. I'd argue
this window with them with cheap quarterbacks on team friendly deals.
If this number gets up into the fifties or high forties,
I don't see it. I don't see it. The other thing,
let me you've got an opinion on that now. I
(29:55):
was just gonna say, I'm looking at the Niners secondary.
What is going on here?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Shrey and Ronardo Green are their cornerbacks. I don't that's
not good.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Colin.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
This is this defense. And let me tell you something.
Something crazy happens every year. I don't want to bet
against Kyle Shanahan, though I think that is risky. Every
other year they've struggled. Let's say so last year they struggled,
they're going to bounce back. Let me throw this at you.
You know whom the two best drafts. There's an argument
they were Seattle in Arizona. Arizona's Arizona's on the come up.
(30:29):
Arizona's defense is going to be nasty.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
But is Kyler Murray? Does he give you any confidence?
Because I didn't see it last year. He really hurt them.
But they got McBride, Harrison Connor. That's a good trio.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
No, they got better skill position guys than the Cowboys. No,
they they they're they're draft Their defensive coach just said
we're going defense. The Seahawks did the opposite. They got
better with Darnold. They went and got a tight end.
I mean, so yeah, last in that division. San Francis stop.
No way. If Matcaffey are healthy, there's no I'll make
(31:02):
an argument next year. What if I told you every
year has a weird vibe, Like last year was the
year of the rookie quarterback. Jayden Daniels gets to the
NFC Championship. Bo Nicks makes the playoffs. You're like, these
guys are good, Drake may Oh, they found there justin Herbert.
(31:22):
What if next year in the NFL is the year
of big brands finishing fourth, the Dallas Cowboys, the forty
nine Ers, the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's a hot take. You
just come up with that on the fly. Yeah, this
thing never shuts off. No, I think that the year
of the big brands bottoming out. I'm sorry between no,
(31:48):
because they haven't been winning. How about this green Bay.
Detroit's got the best roster.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
You know, I like Minnesota, but green Bay's not a
bad ad there.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Okay, okay, just because you're doesn't mean you don't have players.
They could be eight to nine, no question. I mean
last year, at the end of the year, Jordan Love
was all over the map. He was he was not great.
Now I got Dak Prescott in Dallas off a second
surgery and he's now just a pocket quarterback. Dak's not
a great pocket quarterback. In San Francisco, I think Seattle
(32:21):
and the Cardinals had great off seasons. And well, I
think the Rams are They were a fifteen yard line
to end up to the NFC.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Anyway, you haven't picked your AFC team to face the
Rams in the Super Bowl yet.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
No, and Rams are NFC. You haven't picked your AFC.
Come on, say it, bu Bu Buffalo. Yeah, baby, Phil's mafia,
it ain't gonna be. The chief might be was Baltimore. Okay,
din't go wrong with Baltimore and the Rams Lamar love it. No,
(32:56):
I don't, I don't. I've told you. I think the
Chiefs are a wild card team that division. Now, if
they're lucky, if Ashton gent gives them the running game,
we think and the Raiders are predicted for fourth is
a great fourth. Think about this. Last year bad at
quarterback didn't have the coaching staff gave the Chiefs out
(33:17):
played them. I could argue both times they played. How
is Nick going to handle this?
Speaker 5 (33:21):
If Lebron bounce in the first round and the Chiefs
don't even make the playoffs, is he gonna be?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Okay, Nick's life is great. He can handle his Chiefs
the playoffs because you know, nobody stays on top forever.
I think the NFL tends to be a little bit
more predictable than we think. Like we know we know
in baseball there's certain payrolls that are going to make
the playoffs, and we know in the NBA there are
certain rosters that will they're about I mean, AFC is
(33:46):
pretty easy to predict. Andy Reid and Mahomes will figure
out a way to get in, but they're not going
eleven and zero in one score games. If they go
seven and four, you'd take it today. Oh hell yeah,
we'll see the my
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