May 8, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin can’t believe the defending champion Celtics blew another 20-point lead in the 4th quarter at home to fall to 0-2 in their series against the Knicks. He explains why the Cowboys might have made a mistake trading for wide receiver George Pickens. He also talks to NBA analyst Ric Bucher in studio about Jayson Tatum coming up short once again in the 4th quarter
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Wow, this is the Best of the Herd with Colin
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh what a night?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
What a night?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I know what I said, occasionally a little off the
mark Live, It's the Herd wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Jmack, you are a Knicks fan. I
love what they've become. I think they're patient. Jalen Brunson's
the best quarterback in the city, regardless of what's forty
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plays easy to root toward Villanova, Guys. I was in
a place last night at setting in Los ange Angelos
with about sixty people, and there wasn't a single Celtic
fan there. People could not believe the collapse wild It
is the only thing I can say.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Really tough to repeat in this league. Colin and the
Boston Celtics They're in trouble now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It's official. Thirty plus years of watching covering the NBA,
I have never seen what just happened in Boston, and
I thought about it. I thought about it this morning.
I've never seen this. A world champion starts a series
at home, heavily favored both games, has twenty point leads
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in both games, and not only loses, had no guts
at the end. The champs supposed to have a champion's confidence.
I find the Celtics, honestly, after last night hard to
root for. All they are now is a math formula
three pointers regardless, and last night to me was not
just a win for the Knicks. It was a win
for manalytics, which is my term little analytics. But it's
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about men and resilience and grit and toughness and not
being nervous Nelly in the clutch. This isn't just about
the Celtics. Michale, Bridges and og on the wing are dudes.
Brunson and Josh Hart, classic Villanova overachievers who again are
never rattled in the moment they're playing, you know, the
double big lineup. This is not just about the Celtics,
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but they are the World champions So that's the primary
focus today. And I know what I said. The Knicks
are not going to win another game, I know it.
But watching the Celtics collapse, you know what I thought about,
the math nerds will not take over our sport. The
basketball gods are pushing back Wall Street, AI tech. It's
all being taken over by analytics. Can we just have
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our basketball? Boston miss seventy five threes in the last
two games, by the way, eleven for eleven on dunks.
How about a few more of those. I found myself
at the end sort of enjoying the collapse. These scrappy, tough,
resilient state in college Villanova guys. And that's what the
Knicks are. They're Villanova professionally and ironically. The last, the
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only bucket the Celtics hit in the last eight minutes
at home with a deeper, better roster was a dunk.
Remember those used to have those? That was it. So
when they went away from analytics, they actually scored. So
Boston completely earned last night. And again you got to
give New York credit these and I think it's a
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real thing. There's a term in the NBA Villanova guys
bridges and Brunson and Heart. They just they stay in school.
They had to play defense, mostly from the Northeast. Tough guys,
been around big cities, recruited out of DC. It could
be New York, it could be Boston. They're never afraid
of the moment. So we let's not just hammer on
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the Celtics. A lot of this is just the Knicks
being a team that never quits. I mean the Villanova
with Jay Wright, they didn't have five star guys. They
had three star guys. Cali Pari had the five star guys,
the one and done guys. So you know, sometimes I'm
sitting there watching it. I always said, playoff basketball to
me has always been one thing, actually two things, but
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one thing. Really, get a bucket, get a stop. That's
really is Sometimes we talked about this yesterday. The crowd's
going crazy New York. Just go get a bucket. Maybe
it's two freethos. Go get a bucket, Go get a stop.
And it's like sometimes watching the Celtics and all their
analytics go down the drain, It's like sometimes it is
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funny to watch the math nerd get his pants pulled down.
And that's what happened last night. That's what happened last night.
And I'm going to say this, give the Knicks credit,
and I don't use this term much. That is an
all time choke. I'll give you one. I'll give you
the first game because you dominated the next all year
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you got sloppy, and the next for a good team,
I'll give you the first. That's not a choke. You
lost the lead. It's in a little embarrassing. Last night's
a choke. That is a full on choke. This team,
by the way, Boston eleven for eleven on dunke attemps.
You want to try those. The closer they get the basket,
the more they make their shots. Here was Josh Hart after.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I don't think we even know we're were capable of.
I think we have to continue to build. I think
we have to put together a full game, and I
think that's something that we haven't done during the course
of this playoffs. Continuing to get better.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
No one else is worried about that.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Yeah, and figuring out a way to put together a
full forty eight minute game.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So let's now focus on Jason. Can we finally put
this the bed. He's the face of the league. Thank god,
we can stop arguing about that. But remember this. Do
you remember during the Olympics when Steve Kerr, I don't know,
I think he knows a little more basketball than me
and you. Steve Kerr wouldn't play Tatum and Boston Southee
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was already upset show to what is wrong with Kerr.
He knows more basketball than you, Sully, he does, and
they wouldn't play him. And this is why ability without aggression.
He wanted closers. If you can't play for Boston and
clutch moments, you're not going to play for the country.
This is what Steve Kerr saw. Two of his last
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three shots were followays, because I think at his core
he has to be convinced to be aggressive. There was
a moment at the end of the game when Tatum
drove in eighteen seconds left, gave Boston Lee dunked it,
and my reaction was WHOA, Well that was aggressive because
he never does that. I mean, it was like, oh wow,
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it was off brand. I mean, he's six' eight long
and athletic and can beat guys off the dribble all.
Night do. It last night was somebody swatting chalk out
of Goodwill hunting's hand And tatum is really what's ironic,
here juxtapost With. Brunson he's the Anti. Brunson brunson is
work boots And tatum is leather loafers and if it's
(07:29):
a little drizzly, outside best not wear. Them i'm serious
everything About. Tatum tatum gets, anxious he looks a little.
Nervous he's a bit, passive he's, Indecisive he's unbelievably. Talented
brunson's pretty, talented tough as, nails all. Grit villanova tough
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like they're like opposite. Players one guy has just put
on the work, boots head, down don't need, marketing never
Forget Jalen. Brunson and you do not see this in the.
End Jalen brunson's, like all take a little less. MONEY
i want to play with my. Guys that is So.
Villanova you Know. Villanova you go To, villanova class is,
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hard you play. Defense it's not one and. Done even with,
nil they're not going to pay the. Most villanova is a.
Culture it's not just the name of a. University and
that's what The knicks play. Like that's why they're so
easy to root. For like not All New york teams
are easy to root. FOR i get people that don't
like The yankees in the. Payroll The knicks are fun
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and And brunson is the Anti, tatum And celtic fans know.
It you could hear them early in the game getting.
Uncomfortable And i'm not an Anti tatum, guy but for
WHEN i was saying this during The, OLYMPICS i get
it A dnp coaches. Decision When i've been saying this
face of the league, stuff it's LIKE i have defended
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the passive nature Of. Tatum but, man there's a reason
everybody LOVE. MJ i, mean there is a reason six
for six he Punched Steve. Kerr there's a reason Why
kerr Loves Draymond, Green who's limited, athletically who's limited, offensively
but gives you, everything. Relentless and SO i thought it
(09:18):
was fitting last night as they were, Collapsing i'm, like
it's the perfect team and guy to collapse to The,
knicks the less talented villanova of pro, Basketball, resilient, tough
they go into your. Place i'm looking at this clutch
time numbers Between brunson And. TATUM i WON'T i won't
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waste your time on all of. These forget the Fact
brunson's got twice as many. Points brunson's plus, Eighteen tatum's minus,
Sixteen tatum's hurting his. Team brunson is sometimes, exhausted sometimes
defensively gets you, know abused a little because of his
lack of, size but he is never a detriment somewhere
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on the. Floor Jalen brunson's making your team. Better here's
A celtics coach after the.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
COLLAPSE i think game one wasn't inefficient AS i. Thought
you just missed some really good. LOOKS i thought today
he passed up some some ones that he was able to.
Take and so you, know their switch, ability their ability
to impact, SHIFTS, uh definitely impact them. Tonight so, yeah
they're miss some easy layups in the beginning of the.
GAME i thought he missed some a couple there in
the third. Quarter but, YEAH i, MEAN i do a
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good Uh Ogina noby's a good individual, defender and they
have good shifts and help.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Behind boston could have blown both these games To indiana
and it wouldn't feel the. Same and it's not just
A Boston New york. Thing that's not. It it's the
culture of The, knicks which is, man get a, stop
get a, bucket brunts in less money against. Analytics it's
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who you're losing to how you're. Losing and the star
Of New New york is the Anti tatum to, me
at least emotionally, so J, MAC i thought of you
ON molti AS i was watching this game with, friends
sitting around at table with. FRIENDS i kept, thinking you
were next door to, place, eating you, know at high end,
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sirloin all, Right AND i kept, thinking he is having
the time of his. Life it was the PLACE i was.
At and, again IT'S. La so nobody Likes, boston but
a lot of people IN la don't Like New york.
Either it was just wild to watch people's. Reaction it
was like The celtics are collapsing in front of, us
and they just kept hoisting up these awful.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Shots, Yeah i'm looking at the numbers. HERE i know
you Crush, tatum AND i get. THAT i will point
Out celtics starters two for eighteen in.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
The fourth quarter. Shooting this is not only On. Tatum,
no it's not.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Surprise Joe mozoula escaped your opening right, here BECAUSE i
don't know that he's going to survive the next three.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Weeks but, remember if you're talking about face of the,
LEAGUE i don't care about pay And, pritchard Are Al,
HORFORD i don't care About Jalen. Brown this is somebody
that's the face of the, league and the team defends
him when a commentators are critical and everybody rushes to his. Defense,
okay but then you gotta on fourth down make the easy.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Throw and here's the numbers on the. Screen tatum fourth
quarter and. Overtime not, great obviously not not.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Outstanding by the, way the, critics myself, included have always
said he's a top eight. PLAYER i go higher than.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
That but we have an eighty two game sample size
Of Jason tatum for four straight years being first Team ALL. Nba,
yeah eighty two games times, four and he's been bad
in two.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Games LIKE i, know that's not. Fair he has been
suspect throughout his career on a fairly regular basis in these.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
MOMENTS i, mean last yeraries he gets To, orlando he
averaged like thirty.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
One, okay you know nobody cares About. Orlando, fine and the.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Finals last year he had two games of thirty one
points in The finals against.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It there's a two game series two out of the.
Five WHAT i watched Against Golden State, Wilt, yeah that
was that was a tough one is first and you
Say Jason. Tatum if you, say what is your knock
On Jason, tatum everybody has the same. Knock don't trust him? Lately,
SORRY i get.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
It there's some evidence of. That he's also had some
big game. SEVENS i think he had fifty one in
a game six against.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
One there's plenty Of boston reporters to tell you how
mean we, are but it is really when you put
him Against, brunson they are opposite. Players you remember when
they Got bridges The.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
KNICKS i was, like they match up great With boston
and then it didn't bear out in the regular.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Season it has in the, postseason and why is it
working in the postseason and it didn't in the regular.
Season this is my theory Is New york's a more physical,
team and THE nba decides look at how the physical.
Teams by the, way The warriors defensively are. Physical The
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Tea wolves against The lakers were more. Physical New york
even at, practice more physical team Than. Boston boston's Pretty
boston's Outside boston doesn't get to the free throw. Line
New york is a in football. Terms one of them
is a passing. Offense one of them is a run.
Game so The, knicks as THE nba allows you to
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play in the postseason and get. Physical you, Know i'm
watching the first game And i'm, like, oh it's a.
Blip but last night you're, like, oh this this team's
got a full, back this team has double tight. Ends
they're playing double.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
BIGS i, like, hey reference That tatum dunk where he,
drove and you're, like, oh, wow that was. Spctacular Watch
Mitchell robinson on that, play he was up way.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Too far by the three foot. Line tatum dusted.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Him so on the next, play the game, Ending Mitchell
robinson drops. Back he's, Like i'm conceding the, jumper And
tatum like he just kind of wilted there at the.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
End tough.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
One it's one thing to miss a final, shot but
two of his last three shots were fallaways on the.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Baseline how About Michel Bridges game, one rips the ball
out Of Jalb brown's.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Hands in The game, two Blocks tatum's. Pass he's. Great,
no we all loved McHale bridges to The. Knicks we all, Said,
okay they finally have their wing defender who can give
you twenty points on any. Night nicks in the finals
will be really good for the. League. HUH a lot
of content for this, Show.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
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Speaker 1 (15:16):
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forty minutes from. Now albert breerstops buying The Cowboys steelers
trade from yesterday and more thoughts on, that plus what's
going on In minnesota with our quarterback. Situation it's The.
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Speaker 1 (15:37):
Golf it's called the. Yips when we can suddenly not you,
can't you can't, chip you can't, pot like Does boston have?
That boston looked completely out of, Sorts and it is
amazing you see this with pro athletes where it just
it just it bleeds over the whole roster Like boston
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was like looking For tatum to take, over like that's
everybody knows that's our most talented. Guy so this idea, that,
well you, Know Peyton pritchard missed some shots and well
this guy was. That that's not what it's. About we
all know who's getting the ball With denver at the
end of the, game if you need a. Basket we
all know who's getting the ball AT Okc sga not Chet,
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holmgren Chet holmgan got nervous at the free throw. Line
we all know who's getting the ball with The. Knicks
Jalen brunson's going to have the ball in his hands
and score makes up. Happen boston guys are looking To Jason.
Tatum we all. KNOW i, mean that was The Kobe shack.
Issue they both wanted, it But shaq couldn't hit a
free throw, late So kobe needed it And shaq wanted.
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It Tim duncan couldn't hit free throws he had man
who And Tony. Parker there are exceptions when a guy
is a liability Like yannis at the end of the
game at the free throw, line But tatum's not and
everybody's looking around For, tatum and when he, wilts it
affects the entire. Team you're now entering The No Bull
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so there's the story this morning reported by The Pittsburgh
Post Gazette Jerry. Doulock Mike tomlin was the, one and
this is a tolerant. Guy he's dealt with drama day.
One he's the one that Wanted George pickens out of
there and blessed The cowboy fans. Heart they think they
got just to steal, Here but ask, yourself How'd Chase
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claypool do when The steelers bailed on? Him or what
was the Receiver, Bryant Mark Davis, bryant what happened? To
what happened To Lavian bell And Deontay, Johnson Antonio? Brown what?
Happened so, Listen tomlin's patient and he's, like, yeah let's
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get him out of. Here by the, way When Kyle
shanahan bails on a, quarterback you should. Listen When Warren
buffett sells a, stock you should. Listen When Mike tomlin
orders a code. Red you may want to pay attention
because he's like the most patient pro player guy in the.
LEAGUE a lot of guys won't even they won't even
put guys Like George pickens was not on the board
(18:08):
for certain teams no, interest like not. Interested The Atlanta
falcons took an edge Rusher James. Pearce he was not
on a dozen. Boards some teams just don't want the.
Headache pitchsburgh drafts. Him tomlin deals with. Him he's patient
and he, said, nah And Mike tomlin is two. Things
great motivator and he knows when the bailon. People And Jerry, jones,
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well this is perfect for him because he's a. Saver
this is what he did With Jason, garrett and he
didn't have to Save Jimmy johnson Or Bill, parcells so
that relationship eroded very. Quickly But Jason, Garrett mike, McCarthy Brian,
Schottenheimer Chan, gaily they got jobs they wouldn't otherwise. Get
so it's almost like they're indebted To Jerry. Jones, Finally
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mike McCarthy was the one that went To jerry last
year and said, Like i'm, done And jerry was nobody'd
ever done that To. Jerry McCarthy's, LIKE i got A Super,
BOWL i got my thirty five forty five, MILLION i
don't need this. Circus so and then then then What
jerry'll do AND i don't doubt That George pickens is
gonna have big, games big, moments great, moments and he
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may have a really nice season and everybody's gonna fall for.
It and Then jerry's gonna DO i told you, So
i'm saved, him and then he'll overpay. Him if you
want to use this kid for a, year play. Him
helps the, offense Helps Dak. Prescott i'm not opposed to
taking guys on short term that elevate your. Offense i'm
not opposed to, that but be very careful because we
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know this to be. TRUE i saw a story this
morning trading For pickens as a bold move The cowboys
have needed for. Years, no it's Another jerry move that
we're accustomed, to which he likes to. Save he likes
he likes to find something on the draft, that you,
know the scrap heap and, go, Hey Dak, prescott who
found him in the fourth. Round that's What. Jerry. HEY
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i Gave Jason garrett a Shot Tony romo undrafted that
was More Bill parcells Than. Jerry but That's jerry's. Psychology
he likes that to, save to prove he found. Something
he's a former wild, catter he'd find the, oil he
finds the, gem and you, know we all know what.
That that's, fine but you should probably keep really good coaches,
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around and you probably If pickens does have some great,
moments And i'm sure he, Will he's a tremendous, talent
fall in like with. Him don't fall in Love. Quince
When Mike tomlin is, like, yeah let's get him out
of the. Building mike did, That not THE, gm not the,
owner not the. Quarterback That's. Mike mike's like, Enough, Okay
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just pay attention When shanahan says no to a, Quarterback
Warren buffett sells a, stock Or tomlin moves off a.
Guy go look at what they have produced Post Mike,
tomlin and the answer is not. Much.
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usually the world champions at home play with a certain.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Confidence and if you, will.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah they looked Like Oklahoma city In game one AND i.
DO i said this. Before great teams all have something in.
Common even though this is a collaborative, unit you do
kind of turn to the, guy Even Pippin hall Of
Famer Michael it', Cheers michael de Burd it's. Yours kobe
And shack were different because they both were. Ones but
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it does. Matter when two of the last three shots
By tatum were, fallaways it's almost like he has to
be convinced to be, aggressive, Right.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, well he doesn't have a go to. Spot he
doesn't have a go to. Shot and in looking at
look after they won the championship last year and the
way he played for the better part of the regular,
SEASON i THOUGHT i was seeing a different. GUY i
thought he had taken a step up in. Confidence prior to,
that it Was Jalen brown who wanted the ball and
was willing to go get, it AND i saw more
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From jason like he was willing to get. It but
THEN i did a little deeper dive and he was
willing to shoot the three more and be aggressive in shooting.
That and he hit some clutch shots from three over
the course of the. Season so it gave you the
appearance that he'd become more of that go to, guy
but it was at the cost of his mid range
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game and finishing at the. Rim he took fewer shots
at the rim this season than he ever has in his,
career and his mid range went down as. Well what
compensated for, that he took nearly half of his shots
from three point. Range so now we're looking at your
go to, guy who if his three point shot is not,
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falling which it has not in this, series what's he
going To and on the other side of the, equation
you have The New York, knicks who have the most
clutch player who is comfortable playing at all three. Levels
Jason tatum has morphed where maybe at the beginning of
his career you could say he was a three you,
know three level. Scorer he's not, now, Okay So i'm
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going to throw this at.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You is? That and this is WHERE i defended. HIM i,
said The Danny ainge And Brad stevens essentially are the.
Franchise they have built this passing. Shooting you, know it's
a very offensive minded. Franchise and Because tatum is such
a collaborative, guy he'll beat guys off the. Dribble pull back, Three,
(24:33):
Yeah michael And kobe would have fought. THIS i would have,
said AND i love the Zen. Master Phil jackson knew
there were Moments we're not running the. Triangle michael's taking
it over this. Organization it's almost like the gms have
too much. Power it's so analytically driven That. Tatum you
can watch Him, Rick he'll beat guys off the, dribble
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pull back and take a worse.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Shot he saw it In game. ONE i, Mean Joe mazzula, said,
hey you, know took sixty, threes but they were good.
Looks so Essentially i'm good with us taking sixty. Threes
and the thought is you shouldn't be good with that
because you, lost and there are other ways to play the.
Game and maybe the best, thing not That i'm wishing
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that The Boston celtics lose or not, repeat but perhaps
the best thing for the game would be if they
get knocked out with their. Philosophy because it's a copycat. League,
yes people believe that if you TAKE i, MEAN i
can literally tell, you and plenty of gms and coaches hate,
it but they've been told, analytically they've been shown the
formula to take a certain number. Threes you have a
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better chance of winning versus teams that are following that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Formula, okay but are they Considering Adam silver telling the
officiating crews let it be muddied.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Up, well that's the huge difference, here and that's what
we're seeing y road.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Teams by the. Way my, theory why are road teams
and underdogs doing? Well because if we have two, teams
one with a better, record with a home court, advantage
a pretty offensive, team and the league goes you can
wrestle with, them well it's the finesse team is like
whoa and the wrestling team is, like, well this is
who we. Are so you're finding these teams Like New
york And Golden, state by the, way Without, steph they
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love grabbing and. Pushing tonight's, GAME i Think minnesota will.
Win but my, taket we're seeing all these underdogs win
the leagues allowing officiating that plays to the less aesthetically pleasing,
team the, grinders the, rooms and that's what The knicks.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Are, well, essentially it makes it a lower scoring game
and it becomes a possession by possession. Game and you're,
Right AND i don't know that we've ever seen the.
Physicality it's crazy that we've seen in this. PLAYOFFS i love,
it so DO i, right because it forces the other
thing it forces you to, do by and, large is
if you're going to create, shots you have to run,
offense real, hands, yes real. Offense you can't just come
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down and chuck shots or expect you're gonna get to the.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Rim.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Okay so, now oh J max threw this one out.
There he, said if you get beaten five games or,
four AND i don't think they, will but you get
beat by The. Knicks Brian winhorse today, said, listen if
they just keep their first round pick and fill the
roster with a pick they can't even Bring Al horford,
back they'll be over five hundred. Million he, said they're
(27:21):
gonna make moves, here AND i do. Think here's my
take is that we Thought denver was gonna win multiple
and then they get rid of A Bruce brown called
all of a, sudden you look up and you're, Like Jeff,
Green we're just we're just a good. Team what would
change that For? Boston? Yannis so you Go jannis And
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tatum and now you have a true dog in the number.
One and so my take is if they, lose you,
know should you just do It denver and Go you,
know we'll lose a couple of, pieces but we'll be very.
Good you kind of have a passive star on, this
and and and SO i my take is you have
to make a move if you get shelled by the
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next do you.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
NOT i would expect that they. WOULD i thought that they.
Would they would carry the freight and you would pay the.
Price if you win the championship and you have a
chance of the three, peat you're almost obligated to try
to bring everybody. Back Al, HORFORD i can give or take.
That that essentially the if you're keeping the rest of that.
Core and by the way of a big factor here
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that we're not going to get into to. Now but
But kristaps porzingis only being partially available is a big
factor in this because he's the one guy who has
a mid range. Game that's WHERE i would push back
back on you With yannis being the, Solution, yes he's
going to bring more dog and, aggression but he's not
your go to. Closer, again what you're what you're seeing
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is the teams that are winning against this. Physicality it's
basically we're gonna run you off the three point, line
and we're gonna meet you at the, rim and we're
allowed to body you when you're going to the. Rim
so you're not going to score at the same. Level
so what do you have for a mid range? Game
the teams that are being successful all have mid range.
Scorers and that's the one thing That boston is missing
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With chris STAPs perzingi's not being. Available that's where he was,
key and that's where he's most.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Valuable SO i think when we think of The, warriors
because of The Splash brothers and Because Steve kerr is
the coach And Steph, curry we think. Offense they're actually
the league's best defense Since Jimmy butler. Arrived and the
advantage of not playing With steph is they can Even
it's almost like. Hockey you don't need anybody to protect Your.
Gretzky curry may be. Gone they can double down on
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physicality and who are you going to go? After Right
Like butler loves physicality in a Weird, Now i'm not
SAYING i do think The warriors can win a game
and push it to a six or seven Without? Steph
do YOU i.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Think it's possible BECAUSE i think that their BASKETBALL iq
and their system trumps all the other advantages that Ment soda.
Has minnesota is more, athletic they're, deeper they're more, versatile,
bigger all of. That but BASKETBALL iq and your system
can negate all of, that as we saw In game,
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one right because you Had Buddy healed and any number
of guys fitting. In, NOW i do believe That minnesota
is going to Be they're going to Respect Buddy, healed
and they're going to Respect Draymond green And Gary payton
in a way that they didn't in that first. Game
AND i think if you saw it down the, stretch
once you tighten up on, them they're not the same
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three point.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Shooters.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Right, so and by the, way The warriors are an
example of what you're talking about With. Boston they were
the first team to run into we want a championship
and then but we did it on lesser, contracts and
now we pay everybody and and now we're now we
can't add the pieces that we would. Think you have
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to start handing them. Off that's What denver, did y,
Right they had. To they had to get. Frugal and
on top of, That Adam silver looked at it and,
SAID i don't want anybody or. Not Adam, silver the
owners without as much, money said you can't let these
guys just pay the luxury tax because they can afford.
To that's not fair because they're gonna just keep adding
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play it, right, right and they're gonna go get the
the free agents that get the buyouts right and join
and so So adam was, Like, okay here's the. Compromise
we're gonna take away all of your, ability like we're
gonna we're gonna tax you even, more and then we're
gonna take away the. Exceptions we're gonna take away if
you make a, trade it's got to be one for,
One like we're gonna make it so difficult for you
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to do anything with your roster above and beyond what
you have that that is going to even the playing.
Field and that's essentially what you gyms are now. Facing.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, NO i, MEAN i we were theorizing. Earlier why
are there are so many upsets because there's not a great,
team and Then boston's the best. Team they're a good.
Team BUT i, MEAN i watch in AND i Watched
indiana And, cleveland And i'm, like If garland's not. Playing
indiana is a better basketball. Team, yeah they're just a
better basketball.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Team and what's and what are those teams have in
common and the ones that are the up and comers
is that they haven't paid their stars. Yet, yes by and,
large you're not Paying Andrew. Nemhart yet you're not parents
paying Aaron Ne, smith, right and and, so And Oklahoma
city is in the same in the same. Boat they
really haven't had to pay anybody. Yet and the rest
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of The Western conference there's a difference between one or
two games between right between the second seed and the seventh.
Seed so that parody is already.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
There, okay so uh this WAS i talked about this.
YESTERDAY i think The lakers and The, clippers but let's Talk.
LAKERS i think they're a bit. DELUDED i think The
marquee looks. Big the movie's. Not this is a player
that won't get in. Shape Austin reeves is undrafted and
got overwhelmed athletically Against. Minnesota lebron's, older and it's. Key
you can't ask him to play seventy five games and
(33:01):
be brilliant in the. Postseason they don't have a Big
the coach, likes And i'm not sure the coach is
quite ready to be next level. Yet, great that's the.
Movie The marquis SOUND Jj Reddick Lebron luca it sounds.
Great i'm not saying It's, ishtar but it's it's Not The. Godfather,
okay so The marque's way better than the. Movie you
(33:22):
could fix that, though If lebron took the least he's
allowed to. Take and with that my radio, Audience rick
is shaking his, head what do? You what do? You
why do you do?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
That so so he's gonna shake.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Chands there's a couple of.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Things number, one you're not gonna be. Able you need
to turn the. Page you need. To it's not we're
not remaking the. Movie we we have a different leading
star and we need and we. Did we need to
get him a different, plot, yes because in a different supporting.
Cast we know he Needs.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Biggs because, yes there's only one way to build Around luca. Size,
yes you can't do it any other, way.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
But you also have to make it his.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Team, okay, Fine and as.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Long As Lebron james is IN, la regardless of how
much he's, Making Lebron james is that when when you
walk into the locker, room where you're gonna look Is luca's,
locker and There's lebron's, locker which you're still looking.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
At lebron should trade? Him, NO i.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
DON'T i wouldn't say that BECAUSE i don't think that
they can get anything significant for. Him i'm just saying
that you're not going to be able to build your
next title contending team Until lebron is. Gone And i'm
not ushering him into. Retirement i'm not suggesting that he should,
retire but he can take whatever he. Wants first of,
all he's making he's making fifty two million next. Year,
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okay if you they're, There if, you if he signed
the minimum and you let all of the cap holds
and the unrestricted free agents, go like The Jackson hayes
and The Alex lambs and all, THAT i think you
would have ten million dollars worth of cap. Room what's
that going to do for? YOU i don't know that
it's going to do. Enough and that's not even counting
(35:08):
the fact that you have to re sign presumably re
Signed Dorian Finney.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Smith you can Trade Austin, reeves can't?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
YOU i? Know but what are you Gonna what are
you going to get For Austin?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Reed how about that big guy In Brooklyn Nick Nick.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Claxton, Okay like is that gonna change?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
You, well it gives you big BECAUSE i don't, know.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
But it's like it's one piece that you need and
they need like three or four.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Pieces, WELL i don't think they're a championship. Team i'm
saying If lebron did, that it would GET i can't
look AT i can't look At San, Antonio Oklahoma city And,
houston all the picks and all the young. Talent, yeah
this is the worst they'll ever be. Fair and you
want me to put The lakers in that? CLASS i, Can't, no, no,
NO i, agreed.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Agreed but if we're gonna, get if we're gonna, get
let's say essentially we're gonna Give Luca donc's a team
that we last. Saw i'm Having dallas that he took
to the to the, finals, Right which is that that's
that's the? Blueprint?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Right you didn't have Just Nick. Claxton you Had Derek
lively And daniel Gaff, right so you had a big
on the floor at all. Times you HAD. Pj, washington
who far better defender Than Lebron james is right, now
maybe not quite the score or, playmaker but you didn't
need that because you Had Luka. Doncic SO i just
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looked and then you know they picked Up Derek jones
off off the scrap. People oh and by the, way
you Had Kyrie, irving who played a monstrous role in
the playoffs last. Year that's probably. OVERLOOKED i don't have
that quality of a number two and Know Lebron james
isn't capable of being What Kyrie irving was last year
at this stage of his. Career so, again like it's
(36:51):
it's for. Me the heart of it, is until you
can start looking at this as we're building Around Luka,
doncic you're still you're compensating the fact that you Have Lebron,
james your former, superstar still sitting there right next to.
Him AM I, LIKE i mean does that MAKE.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I just THINK la is in the business of selling us,
movies and what The clippers and The lakers to a
larger degree are selling us is a really average movie
with a great.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Poster when was the last time that The lakers legitimately
were a title?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Contender take out THE covid.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Year i'll give you THE covid. Year it's still five, years, right, Right,
yeah so we've in our, minds we've always had. Them
oh they're just a piece. Away they're right, there they
could go and, YEAH i know they went to The
Western conference finals got swept By. Denver but let's let's ask.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
This so let's just get down to The yannis, piece,
okay because we all felt with The knicks they need another,
piece and maybe they, do but it may not be
as big a piece as everybody because Maybe brunson is
a one and he's not a top five or six,
one but Between bridges and og and you're, like, well
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we don't need it because are two and our three
And Josh. Hart so my takeaway is new information creates new.
OPINION i thought they got to make a Big yannis,
move And i'm, like, Well yannis would be great Because
brunson And hart are great free throw shooters, late so
you wouldn't have to Have jannis necessarily. Close jannis would
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give you leads And hart And brunson ball in their
hands get. Fouled SO i Think jannis would make. Them
and to, Me Jannis, brunt if you could, keep but
you'd have to give up so much to get. HIM
i guess this is the. Question if The knicks knock
Off boston and they get to The Eastern Conference, finals
and they Beat, boston they can get to the. Finals
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i'm sitting there, thinking maybe they just need another McHale
bridges level. Guy or doesn't it not change how we
think about The knicks needing? Blank, yeah this series is
changing HOW i. Think if THE nba is gonna allow
tuggle war during the, Playoffs i'm not sure they need a.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Lot, NO i agree with. THAT i think it's wide.
OPEN i think That Indiana pacers and The New York
knicks both are capable of getting to the. Final they
just keep changing.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Big so you keep Heart BRUNSON O. G, McHale and
then you just every year or two try to get
a big that. Fits.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yes here's the thing, though that and it's not as
sexy As johannis going To New. York but AND i
agree with you one thousand, percent WHAT i want to
pair him with is a dynamic point guard who can
be who is my. Closer that's WHAT i. Want and
so you have That Oklahoma, city you have that in
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where else AM i. THINKING i looked At orlando With
Paalo bankaro as a point. FORWARD i think that. Works
houston not quite. There DETROIT i think is a great
pairing With Kate, unningham and those teams have young pieces
and draft. Capital If I'm, milwaukee WHAT i you, know
(40:09):
Getting Karl Anthony. TOWNS i would rather have a number
of picks and a couple of, young dynamic players That
i'm starting over with than going to try to get
an established star and build Around Karl Anthony. TOWNS i
already saw that movie In minnesota and it didn't get that.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Far Rick, buker good stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
DELIVERED i think we got a lot done. Today we.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Did we were very efficient spring. Cleaning we got everything
backed up and ready to.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Go, yeah there'll be more next.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Wow, this is the Best of the Herd with Colin
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh what a night?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
What a night?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I know what I said, occasionally a little off the
mark Live, It's the Herd wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Jmack, you are a Knicks fan. I
love what they've become. I think they're patient. Jalen Brunson's
the best quarterback in the city, regardless of what's forty
(00:54):
plays easy to root toward Villanova, Guys. I was in
a place last night at setting in Los ange Angelos
with about sixty people, and there wasn't a single Celtic
fan there. People could not believe the collapse wild It
is the only thing I can say.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Really tough to repeat in this league. Colin and the
Boston Celtics They're in trouble now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It's official. Thirty plus years of watching covering the NBA,
I have never seen what just happened in Boston, and
I thought about it. I thought about it this morning.
I've never seen this. A world champion starts a series
at home, heavily favored both games, has twenty point leads
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in both games, and not only loses, had no guts
at the end. The champs supposed to have a champion's confidence.
I find the Celtics, honestly, after last night hard to
root for. All they are now is a math formula
three pointers regardless, and last night to me was not
just a win for the Knicks. It was a win
for manalytics, which is my term little analytics. But it's
(02:01):
about men and resilience and grit and toughness and not
being nervous Nelly in the clutch. This isn't just about
the Celtics. Michale, Bridges and og on the wing are dudes.
Brunson and Josh Hart, classic Villanova overachievers who again are
never rattled in the moment they're playing, you know, the
double big lineup. This is not just about the Celtics,
(02:25):
but they are the World champions So that's the primary
focus today. And I know what I said. The Knicks
are not going to win another game, I know it.
But watching the Celtics collapse, you know what I thought about,
the math nerds will not take over our sport. The
basketball gods are pushing back Wall Street, AI tech. It's
all being taken over by analytics. Can we just have
(02:48):
our basketball? Boston miss seventy five threes in the last
two games, by the way, eleven for eleven on dunks.
How about a few more of those. I found myself
at the end sort of enjoying the collapse. These scrappy, tough,
resilient state in college Villanova guys. And that's what the
Knicks are. They're Villanova professionally and ironically. The last, the
(03:15):
only bucket the Celtics hit in the last eight minutes
at home with a deeper, better roster was a dunk.
Remember those used to have those? That was it. So
when they went away from analytics, they actually scored. So
Boston completely earned last night. And again you got to
give New York credit these and I think it's a
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real thing. There's a term in the NBA Villanova guys
bridges and Brunson and Heart. They just they stay in school.
They had to play defense, mostly from the Northeast. Tough guys,
been around big cities, recruited out of DC. It could
be New York, it could be Boston. They're never afraid
of the moment. So we let's not just hammer on
(04:01):
the Celtics. A lot of this is just the Knicks
being a team that never quits. I mean the Villanova
with Jay Wright, they didn't have five star guys. They
had three star guys. Cali Pari had the five star guys,
the one and done guys. So you know, sometimes I'm
sitting there watching it. I always said, playoff basketball to
me has always been one thing, actually two things, but
(04:22):
one thing. Really, get a bucket, get a stop. That's
really is Sometimes we talked about this yesterday. The crowd's
going crazy New York. Just go get a bucket. Maybe
it's two freethos. Go get a bucket, Go get a stop.
And it's like sometimes watching the Celtics and all their
analytics go down the drain, It's like sometimes it is
(04:45):
funny to watch the math nerd get his pants pulled down.
And that's what happened last night. That's what happened last night.
And I'm going to say this, give the Knicks credit,
and I don't use this term much. That is an
all time choke. I'll give you one. I'll give you
the first game because you dominated the next all year
(05:06):
you got sloppy, and the next for a good team,
I'll give you the first. That's not a choke. You
lost the lead. It's in a little embarrassing. Last night's
a choke. That is a full on choke. This team,
by the way, Boston eleven for eleven on dunke attemps.
You want to try those. The closer they get the basket,
the more they make their shots. Here was Josh Hart after.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I don't think we even know we're were capable of.
I think we have to continue to build. I think
we have to put together a full game, and I
think that's something that we haven't done during the course
of this playoffs. Continuing to get better.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
No one else is worried about that.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Yeah, and figuring out a way to put together a
full forty eight minute game.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So let's now focus on Jason. Can we finally put
this the bed. He's the face of the league. Thank god,
we can stop arguing about that. But remember this. Do
you remember during the Olympics when Steve Kerr, I don't know,
I think he knows a little more basketball than me
and you. Steve Kerr wouldn't play Tatum and Boston Southee
(06:22):
was already upset show to what is wrong with Kerr.
He knows more basketball than you, Sully, he does, and
they wouldn't play him. And this is why ability without aggression.
He wanted closers. If you can't play for Boston and
clutch moments, you're not going to play for the country.
This is what Steve Kerr saw. Two of his last
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three shots were followays, because I think at his core
he has to be convinced to be aggressive. There was
a moment at the end of the game when Tatum
drove in eighteen seconds left, gave Boston Lee dunked it,
and my reaction was WHOA, Well that was aggressive because
he never does that. I mean, it was like, oh wow,
(07:05):
it was off brand. I mean, he's six' eight long
and athletic and can beat guys off the dribble all.
Night do. It last night was somebody swatting chalk out
of Goodwill hunting's hand And tatum is really what's ironic,
here juxtapost With. Brunson he's the Anti. Brunson brunson is
work boots And tatum is leather loafers and if it's
(07:29):
a little drizzly, outside best not wear. Them i'm serious
everything About. Tatum tatum gets, anxious he looks a little.
Nervous he's a bit, passive he's, Indecisive he's unbelievably. Talented
brunson's pretty, talented tough as, nails all. Grit villanova tough
(07:49):
like they're like opposite. Players one guy has just put
on the work, boots head, down don't need, marketing never
Forget Jalen. Brunson and you do not see this in the.
End Jalen brunson's, like all take a little less. MONEY
i want to play with my. Guys that is So.
Villanova you Know. Villanova you go To, villanova class is,
(08:12):
hard you play. Defense it's not one and. Done even with,
nil they're not going to pay the. Most villanova is a.
Culture it's not just the name of a. University and
that's what The knicks play. Like that's why they're so
easy to root. For like not All New york teams
are easy to root. FOR i get people that don't
like The yankees in the. Payroll The knicks are fun
(08:34):
and And brunson is the Anti, tatum And celtic fans know.
It you could hear them early in the game getting.
Uncomfortable And i'm not an Anti tatum, guy but for
WHEN i was saying this during The, OLYMPICS i get
it A dnp coaches. Decision When i've been saying this
face of the league, stuff it's LIKE i have defended
(08:55):
the passive nature Of. Tatum but, man there's a reason
everybody LOVE. MJ i, mean there is a reason six
for six he Punched Steve. Kerr there's a reason Why
kerr Loves Draymond, Green who's limited, athletically who's limited, offensively
but gives you, everything. Relentless and SO i thought it
(09:18):
was fitting last night as they were, Collapsing i'm, like
it's the perfect team and guy to collapse to The,
knicks the less talented villanova of pro, Basketball, resilient, tough
they go into your. Place i'm looking at this clutch
time numbers Between brunson And. TATUM i WON'T i won't
(09:39):
waste your time on all of. These forget the Fact
brunson's got twice as many. Points brunson's plus, Eighteen tatum's minus,
Sixteen tatum's hurting his. Team brunson is sometimes, exhausted sometimes
defensively gets you, know abused a little because of his
lack of, size but he is never a detriment somewhere
(10:00):
on the. Floor Jalen brunson's making your team. Better here's
A celtics coach after the.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
COLLAPSE i think game one wasn't inefficient AS i. Thought
you just missed some really good. LOOKS i thought today
he passed up some some ones that he was able to.
Take and so you, know their switch, ability their ability
to impact, SHIFTS, uh definitely impact them. Tonight so, yeah
they're miss some easy layups in the beginning of the.
GAME i thought he missed some a couple there in
the third. Quarter but, YEAH i, MEAN i do a
(10:26):
good Uh Ogina noby's a good individual, defender and they
have good shifts and help.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Behind boston could have blown both these games To indiana
and it wouldn't feel the. Same and it's not just
A Boston New york. Thing that's not. It it's the
culture of The, knicks which is, man get a, stop
get a, bucket brunts in less money against. Analytics it's
(10:55):
who you're losing to how you're. Losing and the star
Of New New york is the Anti tatum to, me
at least emotionally, so J, MAC i thought of you
ON molti AS i was watching this game with, friends
sitting around at table with. FRIENDS i kept, thinking you
were next door to, place, eating you, know at high end,
(11:16):
sirloin all, Right AND i kept, thinking he is having
the time of his. Life it was the PLACE i was.
At and, again IT'S. La so nobody Likes, boston but
a lot of people IN la don't Like New york.
Either it was just wild to watch people's. Reaction it
was like The celtics are collapsing in front of, us
and they just kept hoisting up these awful.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Shots, Yeah i'm looking at the numbers. HERE i know
you Crush, tatum AND i get. THAT i will point
Out celtics starters two for eighteen in.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
The fourth quarter. Shooting this is not only On. Tatum,
no it's not.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Surprise Joe mozoula escaped your opening right, here BECAUSE i
don't know that he's going to survive the next three.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Weeks but, remember if you're talking about face of the,
LEAGUE i don't care about pay And, pritchard Are Al,
HORFORD i don't care About Jalen. Brown this is somebody
that's the face of the, league and the team defends
him when a commentators are critical and everybody rushes to his. Defense,
okay but then you gotta on fourth down make the easy.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Throw and here's the numbers on the. Screen tatum fourth
quarter and. Overtime not, great obviously not not.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Outstanding by the, way the, critics myself, included have always
said he's a top eight. PLAYER i go higher than.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
That but we have an eighty two game sample size
Of Jason tatum for four straight years being first Team ALL. Nba,
yeah eighty two games times, four and he's been bad
in two.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Games LIKE i, know that's not. Fair he has been
suspect throughout his career on a fairly regular basis in these.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
MOMENTS i, mean last yeraries he gets To, orlando he
averaged like thirty.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
One, okay you know nobody cares About. Orlando, fine and the.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Finals last year he had two games of thirty one
points in The finals against.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It there's a two game series two out of the.
Five WHAT i watched Against Golden State, Wilt, yeah that
was that was a tough one is first and you
Say Jason. Tatum if you, say what is your knock
On Jason, tatum everybody has the same. Knock don't trust him? Lately,
SORRY i get.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
It there's some evidence of. That he's also had some
big game. SEVENS i think he had fifty one in
a game six against.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
One there's plenty Of boston reporters to tell you how
mean we, are but it is really when you put
him Against, brunson they are opposite. Players you remember when
they Got bridges The.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
KNICKS i was, like they match up great With boston
and then it didn't bear out in the regular.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Season it has in the, postseason and why is it
working in the postseason and it didn't in the regular.
Season this is my theory Is New york's a more physical,
team and THE nba decides look at how the physical.
Teams by the, way The warriors defensively are. Physical The
(13:54):
Tea wolves against The lakers were more. Physical New york
even at, practice more physical team Than. Boston boston's Pretty
boston's Outside boston doesn't get to the free throw. Line
New york is a in football. Terms one of them
is a passing. Offense one of them is a run.
Game so The, knicks as THE nba allows you to
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play in the postseason and get. Physical you, Know i'm
watching the first game And i'm, like, oh it's a.
Blip but last night you're, like, oh this this team's
got a full, back this team has double tight. Ends
they're playing double.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
BIGS i, like, hey reference That tatum dunk where he,
drove and you're, like, oh, wow that was. Spctacular Watch
Mitchell robinson on that, play he was up way.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Too far by the three foot. Line tatum dusted.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Him so on the next, play the game, Ending Mitchell
robinson drops. Back he's, Like i'm conceding the, jumper And
tatum like he just kind of wilted there at the.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
End tough.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
One it's one thing to miss a final, shot but
two of his last three shots were fallaways on the.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Baseline how About Michel Bridges game, one rips the ball
out Of Jalb brown's.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Hands in The game, two Blocks tatum's. Pass he's. Great,
no we all loved McHale bridges to The. Knicks we all, Said,
okay they finally have their wing defender who can give
you twenty points on any. Night nicks in the finals
will be really good for the. League. HUH a lot
of content for this, Show.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
New York, nickson the Fom, ser the you'ld be, Incorrigible
ruth start in.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Companies they'll be going to the games Right oh, yeah
forty minutes from. Now albert breerstops buying The Cowboys steelers
trade from yesterday and more thoughts on, that plus what's
going on In minnesota with our quarterback. Situation it's The.
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Speaker 3 (15:36):
App.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Golf it's called the. Yips when we can suddenly not you,
can't you can't, chip you can't, pot like Does boston have?
That boston looked completely out of, Sorts and it is
amazing you see this with pro athletes where it just
it just it bleeds over the whole roster Like boston
(16:01):
was like looking For tatum to take, over like that's
everybody knows that's our most talented. Guy so this idea, that,
well you, Know Peyton pritchard missed some shots and well
this guy was. That that's not what it's. About we
all know who's getting the ball With denver at the
end of the, game if you need a. Basket we
all know who's getting the ball AT Okc sga not Chet,
(16:21):
holmgren Chet holmgan got nervous at the free throw. Line
we all know who's getting the ball with The. Knicks
Jalen brunson's going to have the ball in his hands
and score makes up. Happen boston guys are looking To Jason.
Tatum we all. KNOW i, mean that was The Kobe shack.
Issue they both wanted, it But shaq couldn't hit a
free throw, late So kobe needed it And shaq wanted.
(16:43):
It Tim duncan couldn't hit free throws he had man
who And Tony. Parker there are exceptions when a guy
is a liability Like yannis at the end of the
game at the free throw, line But tatum's not and
everybody's looking around For, tatum and when he, wilts it
affects the entire. Team you're now entering The No Bull
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so there's the story this morning reported by The Pittsburgh
Post Gazette Jerry. Doulock Mike tomlin was the, one and
this is a tolerant. Guy he's dealt with drama day.
One he's the one that Wanted George pickens out of
there and blessed The cowboy fans. Heart they think they
got just to steal, Here but ask, yourself How'd Chase
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claypool do when The steelers bailed on? Him or what
was the Receiver, Bryant Mark Davis, bryant what happened? To
what happened To Lavian bell And Deontay, Johnson Antonio? Brown what?
Happened so, Listen tomlin's patient and he's, like, yeah let's
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get him out of. Here by the, way When Kyle
shanahan bails on a, quarterback you should. Listen When Warren
buffett sells a, stock you should. Listen When Mike tomlin
orders a code. Red you may want to pay attention
because he's like the most patient pro player guy in the.
LEAGUE a lot of guys won't even they won't even
put guys Like George pickens was not on the board
(18:08):
for certain teams no, interest like not. Interested The Atlanta
falcons took an edge Rusher James. Pearce he was not
on a dozen. Boards some teams just don't want the.
Headache pitchsburgh drafts. Him tomlin deals with. Him he's patient
and he, said, nah And Mike tomlin is two. Things
great motivator and he knows when the bailon. People And Jerry, jones,
(18:31):
well this is perfect for him because he's a. Saver
this is what he did With Jason, garrett and he
didn't have to Save Jimmy johnson Or Bill, parcells so
that relationship eroded very. Quickly But Jason, Garrett mike, McCarthy Brian,
Schottenheimer Chan, gaily they got jobs they wouldn't otherwise. Get
so it's almost like they're indebted To Jerry. Jones, Finally
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mike McCarthy was the one that went To jerry last
year and said, Like i'm, done And jerry was nobody'd
ever done that To. Jerry McCarthy's, LIKE i got A Super,
BOWL i got my thirty five forty five, MILLION i
don't need this. Circus so and then then then What
jerry'll do AND i don't doubt That George pickens is
gonna have big, games big, moments great, moments and he
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may have a really nice season and everybody's gonna fall for.
It and Then jerry's gonna DO i told you, So
i'm saved, him and then he'll overpay. Him if you
want to use this kid for a, year play. Him
helps the, offense Helps Dak. Prescott i'm not opposed to
taking guys on short term that elevate your. Offense i'm
not opposed to, that but be very careful because we
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know this to be. TRUE i saw a story this
morning trading For pickens as a bold move The cowboys
have needed for. Years, no it's Another jerry move that
we're accustomed, to which he likes to. Save he likes
he likes to find something on the draft, that you,
know the scrap heap and, go, Hey Dak, prescott who
found him in the fourth. Round that's What. Jerry. HEY
(19:59):
i Gave Jason garrett a Shot Tony romo undrafted that
was More Bill parcells Than. Jerry but That's jerry's. Psychology
he likes that to, save to prove he found. Something
he's a former wild, catter he'd find the, oil he
finds the, gem and you, know we all know what.
That that's, fine but you should probably keep really good coaches,
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around and you probably If pickens does have some great,
moments And i'm sure he, Will he's a tremendous, talent
fall in like with. Him don't fall in Love. Quince
When Mike tomlin is, like, yeah let's get him out
of the. Building mike did, That not THE, gm not the,
owner not the. Quarterback That's. Mike mike's like, Enough, Okay
(20:47):
just pay attention When shanahan says no to a, Quarterback
Warren buffett sells a, stock Or tomlin moves off a.
Guy go look at what they have produced Post Mike,
tomlin and the answer is not. Much.
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Speaker 1 (22:01):
Rich all, Right Rick buker is joining us here in.
Studio you've been covering this, league both of. Us we've
been covering it or watching it for thirty plus. Years
usually the world champions at home play with a certain.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Confidence and if you, will.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah they looked Like Oklahoma city In game one AND i.
DO i said this. Before great teams all have something in.
Common even though this is a collaborative, unit you do
kind of turn to the, guy Even Pippin hall Of
Famer Michael it', Cheers michael de Burd it's. Yours kobe
And shack were different because they both were. Ones but
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it does. Matter when two of the last three shots
By tatum were, fallaways it's almost like he has to
be convinced to be, aggressive, Right.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, well he doesn't have a go to. Spot he
doesn't have a go to. Shot and in looking at
look after they won the championship last year and the
way he played for the better part of the regular,
SEASON i THOUGHT i was seeing a different. GUY i
thought he had taken a step up in. Confidence prior to,
that it Was Jalen brown who wanted the ball and
was willing to go get, it AND i saw more
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From jason like he was willing to get. It but
THEN i did a little deeper dive and he was
willing to shoot the three more and be aggressive in shooting.
That and he hit some clutch shots from three over
the course of the. Season so it gave you the
appearance that he'd become more of that go to, guy
but it was at the cost of his mid range
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game and finishing at the. Rim he took fewer shots
at the rim this season than he ever has in his,
career and his mid range went down as. Well what
compensated for, that he took nearly half of his shots
from three point. Range so now we're looking at your
go to, guy who if his three point shot is not,
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falling which it has not in this, series what's he
going To and on the other side of the, equation
you have The New York, knicks who have the most
clutch player who is comfortable playing at all three. Levels
Jason tatum has morphed where maybe at the beginning of
his career you could say he was a three you,
know three level. Scorer he's not, now, Okay So i'm
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going to throw this at.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You is? That and this is WHERE i defended. HIM i,
said The Danny ainge And Brad stevens essentially are the.
Franchise they have built this passing. Shooting you, know it's
a very offensive minded. Franchise and Because tatum is such
a collaborative, guy he'll beat guys off the. Dribble pull back, Three,
(24:33):
Yeah michael And kobe would have fought. THIS i would have,
said AND i love the Zen. Master Phil jackson knew
there were Moments we're not running the. Triangle michael's taking
it over this. Organization it's almost like the gms have
too much. Power it's so analytically driven That. Tatum you
can watch Him, Rick he'll beat guys off the, dribble
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pull back and take a worse.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Shot he saw it In game. ONE i, Mean Joe mazzula, said,
hey you, know took sixty, threes but they were good.
Looks so Essentially i'm good with us taking sixty. Threes
and the thought is you shouldn't be good with that
because you, lost and there are other ways to play the.
Game and maybe the best, thing not That i'm wishing
(25:19):
that The Boston celtics lose or not, repeat but perhaps
the best thing for the game would be if they
get knocked out with their. Philosophy because it's a copycat. League,
yes people believe that if you TAKE i, MEAN i
can literally tell, you and plenty of gms and coaches hate,
it but they've been told, analytically they've been shown the
formula to take a certain number. Threes you have a
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better chance of winning versus teams that are following that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Formula, okay but are they Considering Adam silver telling the
officiating crews let it be muddied.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Up, well that's the huge difference, here and that's what
we're seeing y road.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Teams by the. Way my, theory why are road teams
and underdogs doing? Well because if we have two, teams
one with a better, record with a home court, advantage
a pretty offensive, team and the league goes you can
wrestle with, them well it's the finesse team is like
whoa and the wrestling team is, like, well this is
who we. Are so you're finding these teams Like New
york And Golden, state by the, way Without, steph they
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love grabbing and. Pushing tonight's, GAME i Think minnesota will.
Win but my, taket we're seeing all these underdogs win
the leagues allowing officiating that plays to the less aesthetically pleasing,
team the, grinders the, rooms and that's what The knicks.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Are, well, essentially it makes it a lower scoring game
and it becomes a possession by possession. Game and you're,
Right AND i don't know that we've ever seen the.
Physicality it's crazy that we've seen in this. PLAYOFFS i love,
it so DO i, right because it forces the other
thing it forces you to, do by and, large is
if you're going to create, shots you have to run,
offense real, hands, yes real. Offense you can't just come
(26:58):
down and chuck shots or expect you're gonna get to the.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Rim.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Okay so, now oh J max threw this one out.
There he, said if you get beaten five games or,
four AND i don't think they, will but you get
beat by The. Knicks Brian winhorse today, said, listen if
they just keep their first round pick and fill the
roster with a pick they can't even Bring Al horford,
back they'll be over five hundred. Million he, said they're
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gonna make moves, here AND i do. Think here's my
take is that we Thought denver was gonna win multiple
and then they get rid of A Bruce brown called
all of a, sudden you look up and you're, Like Jeff,
Green we're just we're just a good. Team what would
change that For? Boston? Yannis so you Go jannis And
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tatum and now you have a true dog in the number.
One and so my take is if they, lose you,
know should you just do It denver and Go you,
know we'll lose a couple of, pieces but we'll be very.
Good you kind of have a passive star on, this
and and and SO i my take is you have
to make a move if you get shelled by the
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next do you.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
NOT i would expect that they. WOULD i thought that they.
Would they would carry the freight and you would pay the.
Price if you win the championship and you have a
chance of the three, peat you're almost obligated to try
to bring everybody. Back Al, HORFORD i can give or take.
That that essentially the if you're keeping the rest of that.
Core and by the way of a big factor here
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that we're not going to get into to. Now but
But kristaps porzingis only being partially available is a big
factor in this because he's the one guy who has
a mid range. Game that's WHERE i would push back
back on you With yannis being the, Solution, yes he's
going to bring more dog and, aggression but he's not
your go to. Closer, again what you're what you're seeing
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is the teams that are winning against this. Physicality it's
basically we're gonna run you off the three point, line
and we're gonna meet you at the, rim and we're
allowed to body you when you're going to the. Rim
so you're not going to score at the same. Level
so what do you have for a mid range? Game
the teams that are being successful all have mid range.
Scorers and that's the one thing That boston is missing
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With chris STAPs perzingi's not being. Available that's where he was,
key and that's where he's most.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Valuable SO i think when we think of The, warriors
because of The Splash brothers and Because Steve kerr is
the coach And Steph, curry we think. Offense they're actually
the league's best defense Since Jimmy butler. Arrived and the
advantage of not playing With steph is they can Even
it's almost like. Hockey you don't need anybody to protect Your.
Gretzky curry may be. Gone they can double down on
(29:37):
physicality and who are you going to go? After Right
Like butler loves physicality in a Weird, Now i'm not
SAYING i do think The warriors can win a game
and push it to a six or seven Without? Steph
do YOU i.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Think it's possible BECAUSE i think that their BASKETBALL iq
and their system trumps all the other advantages that Ment soda.
Has minnesota is more, athletic they're, deeper they're more, versatile,
bigger all of. That but BASKETBALL iq and your system
can negate all of, that as we saw In game,
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one right because you Had Buddy healed and any number
of guys fitting. In, NOW i do believe That minnesota
is going to Be they're going to Respect Buddy, healed
and they're going to Respect Draymond green And Gary payton
in a way that they didn't in that first. Game
AND i think if you saw it down the, stretch
once you tighten up on, them they're not the same
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three point.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Shooters.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Right, so and by the, way The warriors are an
example of what you're talking about With. Boston they were
the first team to run into we want a championship
and then but we did it on lesser, contracts and
now we pay everybody and and now we're now we
can't add the pieces that we would. Think you have
(30:55):
to start handing them. Off that's What denver, did y,
Right they had. To they had to get. Frugal and
on top of, That Adam silver looked at it and,
SAID i don't want anybody or. Not Adam, silver the
owners without as much, money said you can't let these
guys just pay the luxury tax because they can afford.
To that's not fair because they're gonna just keep adding
(31:17):
play it, right, right and they're gonna go get the
the free agents that get the buyouts right and join
and so So adam was, Like, okay here's the. Compromise
we're gonna take away all of your, ability like we're
gonna we're gonna tax you even, more and then we're
gonna take away the. Exceptions we're gonna take away if
you make a, trade it's got to be one for,
One like we're gonna make it so difficult for you
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to do anything with your roster above and beyond what
you have that that is going to even the playing.
Field and that's essentially what you gyms are now. Facing.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, NO i, MEAN i we were theorizing. Earlier why
are there are so many upsets because there's not a great,
team and Then boston's the best. Team they're a good.
Team BUT i, MEAN i watch in AND i Watched
indiana And, cleveland And i'm, like If garland's not. Playing
indiana is a better basketball. Team, yeah they're just a
better basketball.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Team and what's and what are those teams have in
common and the ones that are the up and comers
is that they haven't paid their stars. Yet, yes by and,
large you're not Paying Andrew. Nemhart yet you're not parents
paying Aaron Ne, smith, right and and, so And Oklahoma
city is in the same in the same. Boat they
really haven't had to pay anybody. Yet and the rest
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of The Western conference there's a difference between one or
two games between right between the second seed and the seventh.
Seed so that parody is already.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
There, okay so uh this WAS i talked about this.
YESTERDAY i think The lakers and The, clippers but let's Talk.
LAKERS i think they're a bit. DELUDED i think The
marquee looks. Big the movie's. Not this is a player
that won't get in. Shape Austin reeves is undrafted and
got overwhelmed athletically Against. Minnesota lebron's, older and it's. Key
you can't ask him to play seventy five games and
(33:01):
be brilliant in the. Postseason they don't have a Big
the coach, likes And i'm not sure the coach is
quite ready to be next level. Yet, great that's the.
Movie The marquis SOUND Jj Reddick Lebron luca it sounds.
Great i'm not saying It's, ishtar but it's it's Not The. Godfather,
okay so The marque's way better than the. Movie you
(33:22):
could fix that, though If lebron took the least he's
allowed to. Take and with that my radio, Audience rick
is shaking his, head what do? You what do? You
why do you do?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
That so so he's gonna shake.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Chands there's a couple of.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Things number, one you're not gonna be. Able you need
to turn the. Page you need. To it's not we're
not remaking the. Movie we we have a different leading
star and we need and we. Did we need to
get him a different, plot, yes because in a different supporting.
Cast we know he Needs.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Biggs because, yes there's only one way to build Around luca. Size,
yes you can't do it any other, way.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
But you also have to make it his.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Team, okay, Fine and as.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Long As Lebron james is IN, la regardless of how
much he's, Making Lebron james is that when when you
walk into the locker, room where you're gonna look Is luca's,
locker and There's lebron's, locker which you're still looking.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
At lebron should trade? Him, NO i.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
DON'T i wouldn't say that BECAUSE i don't think that
they can get anything significant for. Him i'm just saying
that you're not going to be able to build your
next title contending team Until lebron is. Gone And i'm
not ushering him into. Retirement i'm not suggesting that he should,
retire but he can take whatever he. Wants first of,
all he's making he's making fifty two million next. Year,
(34:48):
okay if you they're, There if, you if he signed
the minimum and you let all of the cap holds
and the unrestricted free agents, go like The Jackson hayes
and The Alex lambs and all, THAT i think you
would have ten million dollars worth of cap. Room what's
that going to do for? YOU i don't know that
it's going to do. Enough and that's not even counting
(35:08):
the fact that you have to re sign presumably re
Signed Dorian Finney.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Smith you can Trade Austin, reeves can't?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
YOU i? Know but what are you Gonna what are
you going to get For Austin?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Reed how about that big guy In Brooklyn Nick Nick.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Claxton, Okay like is that gonna change?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
You, well it gives you big BECAUSE i don't, know.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
But it's like it's one piece that you need and
they need like three or four.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Pieces, WELL i don't think they're a championship. Team i'm
saying If lebron did, that it would GET i can't
look AT i can't look At San, Antonio Oklahoma city And,
houston all the picks and all the young. Talent, yeah
this is the worst they'll ever be. Fair and you
want me to put The lakers in that? CLASS i, Can't, no, no,
NO i, agreed.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Agreed but if we're gonna, get if we're gonna, get
let's say essentially we're gonna Give Luca donc's a team
that we last. Saw i'm Having dallas that he took
to the to the, finals, Right which is that that's
that's the? Blueprint?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Right you didn't have Just Nick. Claxton you Had Derek
lively And daniel Gaff, right so you had a big
on the floor at all. Times you HAD. Pj, washington
who far better defender Than Lebron james is right, now
maybe not quite the score or, playmaker but you didn't
need that because you Had Luka. Doncic SO i just
(36:29):
looked and then you know they picked Up Derek jones
off off the scrap. People oh and by the, way
you Had Kyrie, irving who played a monstrous role in
the playoffs last. Year that's probably. OVERLOOKED i don't have
that quality of a number two and Know Lebron james
isn't capable of being What Kyrie irving was last year
at this stage of his. Career so, again like it's
(36:51):
it's for. Me the heart of it, is until you
can start looking at this as we're building Around Luka,
doncic you're still you're compensating the fact that you Have Lebron,
james your former, superstar still sitting there right next to.
Him AM I, LIKE i mean does that MAKE.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I just THINK la is in the business of selling us,
movies and what The clippers and The lakers to a
larger degree are selling us is a really average movie
with a great.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Poster when was the last time that The lakers legitimately
were a title?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Contender take out THE covid.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Year i'll give you THE covid. Year it's still five, years, right, Right,
yeah so we've in our, minds we've always had. Them
oh they're just a piece. Away they're right, there they
could go and, YEAH i know they went to The
Western conference finals got swept By. Denver but let's let's ask.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
This so let's just get down to The yannis, piece,
okay because we all felt with The knicks they need another,
piece and maybe they, do but it may not be
as big a piece as everybody because Maybe brunson is
a one and he's not a top five or six,
one but Between bridges and og and you're, like, well
(38:10):
we don't need it because are two and our three
And Josh. Hart so my takeaway is new information creates new.
OPINION i thought they got to make a Big yannis,
move And i'm, like, Well yannis would be great Because
brunson And hart are great free throw shooters, late so
you wouldn't have to Have jannis necessarily. Close jannis would
(38:31):
give you leads And hart And brunson ball in their
hands get. Fouled SO i Think jannis would make. Them
and to, Me Jannis, brunt if you could, keep but
you'd have to give up so much to get. HIM
i guess this is the. Question if The knicks knock
Off boston and they get to The Eastern Conference, finals
and they Beat, boston they can get to the. Finals
(38:52):
i'm sitting there, thinking maybe they just need another McHale
bridges level. Guy or doesn't it not change how we
think about The knicks needing? Blank, yeah this series is
changing HOW i. Think if THE nba is gonna allow
tuggle war during the, Playoffs i'm not sure they need a.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Lot, NO i agree with. THAT i think it's wide.
OPEN i think That Indiana pacers and The New York
knicks both are capable of getting to the. Final they
just keep changing.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Big so you keep Heart BRUNSON O. G, McHale and
then you just every year or two try to get
a big that. Fits.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yes here's the thing, though that and it's not as
sexy As johannis going To New. York but AND i
agree with you one thousand, percent WHAT i want to
pair him with is a dynamic point guard who can
be who is my. Closer that's WHAT i. Want and
so you have That Oklahoma, city you have that in
(39:46):
where else AM i. THINKING i looked At orlando With
Paalo bankaro as a point. FORWARD i think that. Works
houston not quite. There DETROIT i think is a great
pairing With Kate, unningham and those teams have young pieces
and draft. Capital If I'm, milwaukee WHAT i you, know
(40:09):
Getting Karl Anthony. TOWNS i would rather have a number
of picks and a couple of, young dynamic players That
i'm starting over with than going to try to get
an established star and build Around Karl Anthony. TOWNS i
already saw that movie In minnesota and it didn't get that.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Far Rick, buker good stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
DELIVERED i think we got a lot done. Today we.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Did we were very efficient spring. Cleaning we got everything
backed up and ready to.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Go, yeah there'll be more next.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Week live An li its to. Hurt
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