May 13, 2025 • 33 mins
Colin talks to 5-time National Champion and former Duke head coach Mike Krzyzewski joins the show to tell Colin what type of prospect Cooper Flagg is and how to navigate today's era college athletics featuring NIL
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, there's no basketball coach ever. I'm reading the accolades
the most wins by any head basketball coach in men's
basketball history. That's pretty good. That seems like that'd be
near the top of my resume. Five natties, forty two
years at Duke, the gold Standard program, twenty four to zero.
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Is an Olympic coach and now a public speaker with
grand kids in the area. What a life for Mike Krzyzewski,
who's now joining US live. You know you told me
years ago, you said, Colin, I start recruiting guys six
to seven years before you you see me sign them.
So let's talk Cooper Flag. Basketball is a very unique
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sport where you can see it ten eleven, twelve thirteen,
You can see special. Do you remember the first time
you saw Cooper Flag?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You know, I do not because I'm three years retired,
so shire must have seen him when he was fourteen.
But I did see him when he was at Mont D. Yeah, like, yeah,
they have Actually they have four from his high school team.
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They have four kids are going to be first round
draft picks. And I knew he was special, but because
they had so much talent, I didn't realize how special
he is. And this kid plays every play hard, and yes,
every play, every play ye.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
People have compared him, I think almost favorably to Jason Tatum.
When I watch him, he feels a little more aggressive
than Jason, and he's an aggressive attacking player. Do you
think that comp is fair and realistic?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I don't. I think they're two different players. They're both
six eight. Actually, I think Cooper grew about an inch here.
You know, he's still only eighteen years old, so he's
still growing. He might end up being sixten. But I
think offensively, you know, Jason really has developed into a
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great shooter. We're waiting to find out about his injury,
but he's really developed differently than I think Cooper will develop.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Cooper is.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Just unique, you know, like he he's he's so strong,
his legs are so strong andletically he's gifted, but attitude,
and when you add his athletic ability and his competitive attitude,
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you have a very special guy. And he can really
score the ball. I think he's a good shooter, uh
trying to become a really good shooter it whereas Jason,
Jason is that shooter.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I read Ian O'Connor's book about you, which I thought
was fascinating on so many levels, and it's so funny
John Wooden in you. You know, you're obviously the all
time greats. But John Wooden, it took a long time
for him to win at UCLA, And as Ian O'Connor
pointed out, there was a meeting or two about Mike
Krzyzewski in about your fourth year and people are like,
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we don't know if this kid from Army is gonna work.
You endured for a lot of reasons. You're smart, you're collaborative,
you are a grind. There's a lot of reasons. But
when I look at college basketball today, do you like
the place we're in? Tom Izzo's a survivor, but a
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lot of the big ones have left. Sometimes college football
I think is too impatient. Do you think college basketball
is good to coaches because the NBA, I could argue,
is not a great place to coach. Is college basketball today?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Actually, I think the NBA is a better price to coach.
I think college basketball now is pretty much like the NBA,
except there's no transparency. In other words, you're at one school,
I'm at another. I don't know what you're doing for
a player. You don't know what I'm doing for a player.
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And it's really professional right now or college basketball. But
the product is outstanding and kids are staying longer because
of an IL, You're getting older teams, the influx of international,
young international pro players to college. You can win quicker
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in college now. And there's by John Shire has done
a great job here at Duke, replacing me, and I've
told them, I said, I think you've done a better
job than I would have done in the last three
years with all the changes, because I would have always
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been saying stuff, well, it used to be this way,
it used to be that way, and for you you're
just starting out, it wasn't used to be it is
and right now. I just think people should put their
arms around college sports, especially college basketball, in my opinion,
and run it like a business. Because it is a
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business and the product is great. Though, you know, there's
so much talent out there.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know, there's an argument people have made. I don't
know if I concur with it, but it's an interesting
argument that JJ Reddick is smart, he's very tightly wound.
That in the NBA, in big games, he kind of
he's a teeth clencher a little bit. He's very very intense.
And in the NBA as a coach, he was very
intense and people say, boy, it's not about that, It's
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it's more Steve Kerr, you got to be part psychologist,
part schematic guy. That maybe JJ is is just too intense.
When you watched I mean and listen, that's a good
quality to have. What do you make of I mean,
you were intense. I watched you write officials for several years.
Is what do you make of those discussions about JJ
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that maybe he's wound a little tight.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Now you know, he he wants to win, and his
preparation to win is outstanding. You know, there's a learning
curve and every profession I thought he had a great,
great uh season and uh, his players, he won over
his players. His players know how hard he works and Yeah,
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he was a terrific player. He uh, you know, I
think he's he's learned a lot from this year. You know,
he'll critique himself and have you know, he as a
veteran staff where those guys will take a look at
what they did and uh, how they were doing it
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and make adjustments going into into next year. But he
had a great Uh, he had a great first year.
And they played a team in the first round that
was deeper and more athletic. Yes, and and the the
n B a uh has gotten more physical, which I
think is good. But it's really physical in the playoffs
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and that lent itself to uh given the Timberwolves a
little bit more of an advantage. And they're a good team.
You know, they they're a really good team.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You Steve Kerr, Mark few Beheim, you guys all have
done a very good job coaching professional players, uh as
college coaches. Obviously Kerr played at Arizona, but he's a
pro coach and is there coaching. Is coaching at Duke
because you have so many pro players is a little NBA.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Ish, Yeah, it is?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
It is. It is.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Do you think did you ever take anything from the
pros and bring it back to Duke to help you.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Oh yeah, you know, I coached the US team for
eleven years, in three Olympics and two World Championships, and
I brought back a lot you know, uh, you know, uh,
sports science. You know, how guys prepared language, not cussing
in that but different although probably picked up a few
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words there too.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Now, just how they their defensive coverages, you know, but
they're one of the main things is how hard they
prepared and uh and the excellent shape they kept themselves in.
And I brought that back where we really increased our
sports medicine science and and uh. But it also helped
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me uh X and O wise. You know, I had
Jim Beheim was with me eleven years, but I had
Monti Williams and Thibodeau, you know, these guys who are uh,
you know, terrific pro coaches and and I learned a
lot from them, But I learned from the players because
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they're really you know, these are great players. Kobe Bryant,
Lebron James, all these guys. Uh, they they really understand
the game. People don't realize how smart they are and
how much preparation that they give. So those were eleven
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amazing years for me, and I was very lucky to
have that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
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Speaker 1 (10:25):
You know, Christian Latner was so dominant when he played,
and he was part of that Kentucky win you just
years and years ago. Maybe it was Jay Billis was
sharing a story about the first time you had seen
lebron and he took two steps at half court and
dunked it, and you turned to Billis, what in the
world am I watching? Go back to your college career.
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I'm going to test your memory. Was there a moment
when you obviously coached your team hard, but you allowed
players to go off script the Grant Hill players. Was
there ever a moment in college you went by and
you turned to an assistant and you're like, this player
is better than I thought he would be. This like
you were actually as a coach, you turned an assistant
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and said, I never imagined he would be this good.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
This player.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, Now, a number of times I can remember when
we had Bobby Hurley, and Bobby was a good at
point guard that's ever played in college, and one practice
he's playing defense, and I looked to Tommy Amaker, who's
one of my assistants then and I said, I've never
seen anybody play that hard. And then at times with
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grand Hill, you know, if Grant Hill had not been
injured five years since his pro career, he would have
ended up being one of the top ten players of
all time. But he was very humble. And there are
times at timeouts, I would say, you know, for every
four minutes, I'd say, okay, every time you touch the
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book all you I don't want you to pass it.
I just want you to do whatever you want with it.
He said, what do you mean? I said, no, just
do something where someone says, you know, how did coach
k teach you how to do that? I'm not lying.
I mean this is true. And because there are players,
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there's certain players that you have to be careful not
to overcoach. You have to give them the room to
become what their talent can can show. And uh uh
you know, Zion was was that uh uh you know, really,
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even though he's an outstanding athlete, but he wasn't that
like those two guys Zion and Grant uh Battier was
like that. He was very humble too, and uh, let's say,
come on, man, you know, let it out, you know,
let it out, like we are talking about JJ earlier,
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JJ did Colin. He did some stuff that I could
not imagine. You know, in hostel arenas. You know, guys
were pulling on his shirt. He was trying to run
him into the ground. And he enjoyed putting up forty
on the road or thirty eight or thirty six. He's
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so damn cocky and good. No, he really was.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I love.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
My plays worked better with.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Nick Saban says, yeah, it alose plays better when I
get a great pass rush from a five star guy.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Finally, there's a lot of reasons I like NIL. One
of the reasons I like it is because I like
kids having a little money and before they have a
lot of money, because a lot of athletes don't have it.
So I like a guy having a couple hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
And maybe blown.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
It on a close and before he gets twenty million.
And I do think it's instructive that before you get
you know, it used to be no money college, you
make a fortune. And I think that's tough on anybody,
regardless of your background is have you found there are
some things with NIL that that I think it's keeping
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more kids in college.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I like college basketball over G League. I like that.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
But are there things about NIL beyond just a kid
making money that you think are instructive or you like
about it?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, it is what it is, and so we should
put our arms around it and figure out how to
make it the very very best. I will say that
one of the things you just mentioned, it's not right
with all all these kids where you make a lot
of money now and then you're going to make a
lot of money later. Most of the kids, remember there's
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there's not as many are going to make it into
the NBA are going to be making more money in
college than they will after college. And that's the thing
I mean, their kids make. There are a lot of
kids making seven figures now, not all if you've counted
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all those kids up around the country making half a
million to three or four million, depending on the school.
And there are a lot of kids and they're you know,
what's the lottery got fourteen guys. The first round has
thirty picks, and so they're going to be guys who
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there are kids now, there are kids that have not
been invited to the combine who were making seven figures
last year in college, you know, so you're going to
have to deal with that. However, if they're smart, they
have a right to make that money, just so they
use it wisely and they're able to transition to the
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next phase of their playing career. You know, the guys
who are lottery picks that they don't that's the normal thing.
That's the normal thing. But it's all changed, Colin. It's changed,
and it doesn't mean that it's bad. It just means
that we have to get better control over it and
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make sure make sure that these kids are well taken
care of. You know, right now, if you're a college
coach at a high level program, you know you're you're
dealing more with agents than you are with coaches, and
that's why you have general managers and it's run like
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a professional team, except there are no contracts, which that
might change depending on where the how this SOLW is going.
It's just in a state of flux right now. But
God blessed, the kids should make as much as they can.
They should transfer just like any other student whenever they want.
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But that's going to run out and hopefully when it
runs out in college, they're able to go to a
level of playing basketball that is really good for him.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Coach k forty two years ambassad now in the speaking circuit.
Love to hear some of his stories. Nobody's ever won
more basketball games and men's basketball, and that is saying something.
There's been unbelievable coaches. You can turn the TV on
every night. It can be Rick Carlisle or Chris Finch.
There are great coaches everywhere. My buddy Tom Izzo basketball
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has got great coaches everywhere, and you're at the very
top of that, coach, And I appreciate you stopping by.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, now, I've always enjoy being on and thanks for
not forgetting me. Yeah, it's that was you know, I
don't even know why I said that. I shouldn't have
said that.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I liked it.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
He listened.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
He erased that you're you're, you're capable of anything. Erased.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
That just go right into the ether. Nobody heard but
you and me. That's it. That's the only people that
heard it. All right, all right, good seeing Thanks for
having me out. You're at the great Mike Krzyzewski. Yeah,
it's uh, I.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Mean like I think what it took Mike a couple
of years to embrace one and done. But I think
with N I L, you can complain about stuff like
Rick Carla or Rick Patino said. You can complain about
stuff or you can embrace it and try to figure
it out. It's like anything. I mean, I almost look
at NI L. Is a new tax code, all right,
got a new tax code. An accountants job is to
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figure out how to use it best for his clients.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I mean, in the end, you can you know, I
don't like what it is.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
It.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
By the way, every year, uh, the wild wild West
will get a little less wild, and everybody will get
their arms around it and we're gonna be okay. Nick Wright,
coach K good guest today as I get ready to
get on a plane with a few others and head
to a beautiful city. Some of us are staying behind,
others are taking the big swing.
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Speaker 4 (20:24):
All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
J Mack just got some video in some pictures, some
still photos of the rookie quarterback Symposium camp Thing.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Radio audience. I apologize.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It shows the difference in size between Joe Flacco, Shador Sanders,
Kenny Pickett, and Dylan Gabriel, who I do not see
as an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
You're such a hiatist, don't you think Dylan Gabriel has
been dealing with this his entire career, high school, college,
now it's the NFL.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
It's just another day for him.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I just want it.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
What do they say, big tree fall hard when the
big guy goes down, Dylan Gabriel's taking him down. I
prettic Key starts more games next season than Shador does.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
In Cleveland, we have a close up of he and
Flacco having the discussion.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Okay, let's see what that looks like.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
That was it was. You know, it's awkward.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
It's so utterly disrespectful.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
No, I think, I just I do think size.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I think we have because the occasional Russell Wilson or
Kyler Murray, we look and think size doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, Drew's my size six to one. But I think
we look at that and we go, oh oh.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I grew up with fran Tarkenton, who was smaller but very,
very mobile and I think it matters. I want my
guy to be Justin Herbert or Dan Fouts or Philip
Rivers like the Chargers. I want six three, six y
four big guys. We showed the picture earlier of of
Justin Herbert, bow Nix and Dylan Gabriel. Justin Herbert. Ideally,
I want a bigger athlete. I'm not sorry to me,
six one and a half is kind of the is
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kind of what I'm looking for.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
So yeah, I mean it hasn't helped Kenny Picket it
at all. Huh well, again, there's some but I mean
Justin Herbert is ideal. I mean, look at the look
at this he's look at his chest and his shoulders
and his legs. Have you seen him in person? Yes,
he's enormous, He's massive. He's an't abnormality.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
No, No, he's just an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
There's not a lot of guys that are his size.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Man his size, Striping Man Mayfield, Tom Brady, Peyton, Manning,
Big Ben Cam Newton.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Yeah, four guys in the last twenty seven years.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Listen, you say, well, Jalen hurts his six to one.
He's also unique. He squats six hundred and sixty pounds
and he's a unique athlete his mobility and movement.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
So J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
No turns. This is the herdline news right.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Big game tonight Cavspacers Game five. It sounds like Donovan
Mitchell is going to be a game time decision due
to that ankle injury. Came out at halftime for Game four,
tried to shoot, was.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Like, oh, this ain't working.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
He's headed back to the locker room, did not play
in the second half. Darius Garlet, and he's not worried
about tonight. He says, the franchise has been there before,
down three.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
To one, This franchise been down through one before.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
This group can do it. We got the talent, we
got the skill set. The camaraderie is always there. It's
got to just go out there and play without physically
that we play with and play out Brandon basketball.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
No, Lebron James ain't walking through that door. Sorry, Darius Carland,
that's not happening.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
I with no Mitchell, they're done.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I don't think there's any chance the wad Mitchell. Maybe
they win this game in fource Game six, they're done.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I think Celtics are done.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Do you have an early lean in Pacers Knicks.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I think a lot of people like the Pacers.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
One person here respected the Pacers early in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I did you deserve credit?
Speaker 8 (23:46):
You liked him?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's it's I think there's a lot of people that
think they're a matchup problem for the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Next up is to the NFL. Derek Carr retired over
the weekend. It was weird.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
He retired like a was it Saturday morning. I didn't
see the news for hour. It was just a strange timing.
And now the Saints quarterback room looks like this Colin
Spencer Rattler, Jake the Snake Han and rookie Tyler Shook.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
That is uninspiring, to say the least.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Yeah, Rattner and Hater want to combined oho in seven
last season, and Shook as a twenty five.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Year old from Louisville who played seven years of college football,
never distinguished himself. I don't think this is hard. I
trade Chris o'lave, I trade Al.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
I think they're going to be in the running for
the number one pick next year without que. I mean,
I know people want to say arts babies, who's going
to be.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Let's just be honest. Who's going to be bad next year?
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Cleveland, Cleveland, the Jets, and the Giants have the lowest
win totals. I think the Saints will be right with
their so we're even worse. I trust Justin Fields with
the Giants Jokers. Giants have Jackson Dart, so they're out
of the quarterback. Don't draft a quarterback, warners round. They're
into the Jackson Dart for two to three.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Years time out.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
If they win five games, there's a chance day Boll
and Shane are cooked. They're gone, right, So then Jackson
Dart doesn't have anybody championing him in the front office,
and the new guy's gonna want their own quarterback because
they're drafted top five.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
So I don't know about that.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I think the Saints have probably one of the weaker
rosters in the NFC, and I would look to trade
anybody good bought him out, and then hope arch Manning
comes out. I think he's gonna come out. By the way,
all these people were like, oh, arch Manning's gonna stay.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
You can count in the last.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Twenty five ish years the superstars who were gonna be
won and then stayed.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
It's Peyton Manning and Andrew Locke. That's it. Everyone else
who's good comes out. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Saints.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
I think you can get Arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Final story colin college football, Oh yeah, Week one Fox
has announced Texas.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Ohio State kicks off. The season.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Doesn't get much better than that. You get the best
player in the country in Smith, You've got the most
promising quarterback in the country in Arch Manning. And of
course it's a rematch from the College Football Playoff, which
was a great game went down into the fourth quarter.
This is gonna be musty TV. Obviously. I have not
seen a line yet, but I would lean Texas Texas
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just because they got a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, I would Texas tribably be a two and a
half point favorite something around there. I mean, I think
the two best players in college.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Football are both Buckeyes Downs.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I think Caleb Downs has a chance to go after
Arch Manning. He'll be the first non quarterback taken. Caleb
Downs will be the first down quarterback taken. And then
I think Smith. The wide receivers are sophomore, He's he
may be better than him, but he's I don't think
he's elegible.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
He's not draft l Ow.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It says Ohio State minus six. Oh I would take
Texas plug six. That seems Why is that arch Manning
and your minus six?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. I mean that sounds crazy.
In fact, I don't even know who I mean starter
is next year.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, and also Texas has said they're going to spend
forty million nil.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
They got arch Manning, you don't think that, and they
got revenge on their minds after losing that playoff.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
No, no, that's the bad line. I don't care if
the game's in Columbus.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Yeah, give me Texas there straight up on the money
line every which way.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
We're gonna lay in the lumber for September.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Who gave us that line? Was that one of those uh?
Hold on, hold on?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Actually okay, so now it's actually it's minus three Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I still think I would take the points.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I like, I get arch Manning, revenge, and Texas is
going to spend more than Ohio State did nil.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Ohio State lost a ton of guys to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well, they have the two best players.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Well, they lost two running backs, elite wide receiver, their
quarterbacks going.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
They got a lot to them.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
You know, I know they got they got a ton
of guys, but gimme Texas in that matchup.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I think I lean with you. I want I don't
know Ohio State's quarterback situation here, right, Will Howard? You
know he's gone.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
He's in the NFL now competing guy, I know for backup.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
The Pittsburgh Steelers. Are you done?
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah, okay?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
In the NFL schedule release, is that tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So there's a lot of people speculating that Aaron Rodgers
will announce after the schedules out or right before he'll
announce he's a Steeler. I'm not going to try to
guess what Aaron's going to do. I could see Aaron
just a screw with people. You know, he's very contrarian,
just do something off script and and and I could
see him doing that, like doing it next week.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
I don't think that, listen.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
I know the Steelers are a blue what everybody look,
I don't think they're going to get any primetime games.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Do you with an uncertain quarterback situation?
Speaker 4 (28:44):
No, no, no, I mean in the inner Division. You'd
take Burrow and.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
You can't have Mason Rudolph on Sunday night football. That's
just it's not it doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I mean, I would say these days, Aaron Rodgers on
Monday night Sunday Night football is worth maybe one game
if they go in a little you know, I mean
you can flex it, flex it in.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
But by the way, before we go, I.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Think the Celtics, the Tatum injury, Porzingis, Horford, Drew Holliday
looks old. I not that Boston isn't well run and
won't figure it out, but it feels a little different today,
right like their future is not quite as cemented as
it was.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Well, they're gonna have to move off some guys.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
I don't think they can get Janis right, I don't
see a path to that, but they can tweak around
the edges. And you seem to love Jalen Brown to
NBA Finals MVP. Drew Holliday's had a bit of a
tough go here in the playoffs. You know, Porzingis is
looking like this illness has got him down. I don't
know Peyton Pritchard, what happened to Peyton Pritchard last night?
Great questions, did he get five threes? They just stood
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around in the second half, They didn't move.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
You think he gets fired Missoula by the way, No, I.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Mean he grew a lot first year to second year,
so I don't think they. I think, you know, coaches grow.
JJ Reddick will be better next year than this year.
And he had a very painful exit. Joe Missoula is
going to have a very painful exit. Is a big
favorite who just did not pull enough levers in big spots.
Nick Wright earlier on the Celtics future after the Tatum injury.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
If Tatum is out for next season, was last night
the last.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Game of Tatum and Brown together?
Speaker 9 (30:27):
Maybe I wouldn't bet that, but maybe it certainly ends
this iteration of Boston, which people were speculating was going to,
you know, potentially make some major moves even.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
If they won the championship.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, I mean the way they've done it, the NBA's
eliminated tanking. I mean, you can do it, but it
doesn't help your odds clearly. And the other thing is
it's eliminated dynasty. So you got to break it up.
And I thought Denver was going to be the next
Spurs with Jokic. They had to move off key rotational players,
and it's never been the same. Now they've moved off
their coach, and they you know, Denver's got you know,
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a lot of big contracts for a lot of years,
and now Boston. I mean, let's be honest, Tatum's deal,
Jalen Brown's deal, and one of their other deals is
is it Derek White. They're just starting and those are
long term deals. So if those three are the future,
that's fine. I like all of those players, but they're
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gonna have to make some moves here and those windows
we thought Denver, I mean, we thought Denver, this thing
was gonna last a long time.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Oklahoma City. It may just fly past them tonight.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Let's slow down with that.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Regarding the Celtics demise, can you name the last defending
NBA champ to get past the second round of the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
The following year after winning the title Golden State?
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Yeah, you got to go back to twenty eighteen, Colin Like,
it's tough to repeat. Man, these games. Were you one
hundred games in the season, yeah, eighty two plus the playoffs.
I've been saying this. You got to get rid of
seven game first round series. You're wearing these guys out.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Hey, you're asking you're allowing this kind of level of physicality,
and you want seven games in the first round. You're
beating your stars and your older players up. They're falling apart.
So I think you should go I mean, I would
be three games in the first round. Jordan played five
game first round. I'd go five to five, five.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
And then seven.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
I'm sure the owners will push back. We need the
game day revenue, all that stuff. But next time you
get Adam Silver, we need to ask him that. Can
you why not go back to, you know, five games
in the first round.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
If you're gonna allow physicality at the level which is
being permitted seven games. Is just that Celtic Nick game
last night. The intensity and physicality of that thing. Tatum
earlier in the game hit the floor and it's like wow,
it was like a football collision.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
By the way, Denver is starting to age. Yes, did
you see the line tonight? It was ten?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
I like, okay, see I do I do too.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
I mean, you get guys are getting older quick man.
These games are rugged.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Jason Ryan, I'll see you guys tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
All right, now, I'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
All right, somewhere UH be safe. Some NBA action again
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, there's no basketball coach ever. I'm reading the accolades
the most wins by any head basketball coach in men's
basketball history. That's pretty good. That seems like that'd be
near the top of my resume. Five natties, forty two
years at Duke, the gold Standard program, twenty four to zero.
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Is an Olympic coach and now a public speaker with
grand kids in the area. What a life for Mike Krzyzewski,
who's now joining US live. You know you told me
years ago, you said, Colin, I start recruiting guys six
to seven years before you you see me sign them.
So let's talk Cooper Flag. Basketball is a very unique
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sport where you can see it ten eleven, twelve thirteen,
You can see special. Do you remember the first time
you saw Cooper Flag?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You know, I do not because I'm three years retired,
so shire must have seen him when he was fourteen.
But I did see him when he was at Mont D. Yeah, like, yeah,
they have Actually they have four from his high school team.
(01:36):
They have four kids are going to be first round
draft picks. And I knew he was special, but because
they had so much talent, I didn't realize how special
he is. And this kid plays every play hard, and yes,
every play, every play ye.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
People have compared him, I think almost favorably to Jason Tatum.
When I watch him, he feels a little more aggressive
than Jason, and he's an aggressive attacking player. Do you
think that comp is fair and realistic?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I don't. I think they're two different players. They're both
six eight. Actually, I think Cooper grew about an inch here.
You know, he's still only eighteen years old, so he's
still growing. He might end up being sixten. But I
think offensively, you know, Jason really has developed into a
(02:35):
great shooter. We're waiting to find out about his injury,
but he's really developed differently than I think Cooper will develop.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Cooper is.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Just unique, you know, like he he's he's so strong,
his legs are so strong andletically he's gifted, but attitude,
and when you add his athletic ability and his competitive attitude,
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you have a very special guy. And he can really
score the ball. I think he's a good shooter, uh
trying to become a really good shooter it whereas Jason,
Jason is that shooter.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I read Ian O'Connor's book about you, which I thought
was fascinating on so many levels, and it's so funny
John Wooden in you. You know, you're obviously the all
time greats. But John Wooden, it took a long time
for him to win at UCLA, And as Ian O'Connor
pointed out, there was a meeting or two about Mike
Krzyzewski in about your fourth year and people are like,
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we don't know if this kid from Army is gonna work.
You endured for a lot of reasons. You're smart, you're collaborative,
you are a grind. There's a lot of reasons. But
when I look at college basketball today, do you like
the place we're in? Tom Izzo's a survivor, but a
(04:10):
lot of the big ones have left. Sometimes college football
I think is too impatient. Do you think college basketball
is good to coaches because the NBA, I could argue,
is not a great place to coach. Is college basketball today?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Actually, I think the NBA is a better price to coach.
I think college basketball now is pretty much like the NBA,
except there's no transparency. In other words, you're at one school,
I'm at another. I don't know what you're doing for
a player. You don't know what I'm doing for a player.
(04:48):
And it's really professional right now or college basketball. But
the product is outstanding and kids are staying longer because
of an IL, You're getting older teams, the influx of international,
young international pro players to college. You can win quicker
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in college now. And there's by John Shire has done
a great job here at Duke, replacing me, and I've
told them, I said, I think you've done a better
job than I would have done in the last three
years with all the changes, because I would have always
(05:33):
been saying stuff, well, it used to be this way,
it used to be that way, and for you you're
just starting out, it wasn't used to be it is
and right now. I just think people should put their
arms around college sports, especially college basketball, in my opinion,
and run it like a business. Because it is a
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business and the product is great. Though, you know, there's
so much talent out there.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know, there's an argument people have made. I don't
know if I concur with it, but it's an interesting
argument that JJ Reddick is smart, he's very tightly wound.
That in the NBA, in big games, he kind of
he's a teeth clencher a little bit. He's very very intense.
And in the NBA as a coach, he was very
intense and people say, boy, it's not about that, It's
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it's more Steve Kerr, you got to be part psychologist,
part schematic guy. That maybe JJ is is just too intense.
When you watched I mean and listen, that's a good
quality to have. What do you make of I mean,
you were intense. I watched you write officials for several years.
Is what do you make of those discussions about JJ
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that maybe he's wound a little tight.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Now you know, he he wants to win, and his
preparation to win is outstanding. You know, there's a learning
curve and every profession I thought he had a great,
great uh season and uh, his players, he won over
his players. His players know how hard he works and Yeah,
(07:14):
he was a terrific player. He uh, you know, I
think he's he's learned a lot from this year. You know,
he'll critique himself and have you know, he as a
veteran staff where those guys will take a look at
what they did and uh, how they were doing it
(07:35):
and make adjustments going into into next year. But he
had a great Uh, he had a great first year.
And they played a team in the first round that
was deeper and more athletic. Yes, and and the the
n B a uh has gotten more physical, which I
think is good. But it's really physical in the playoffs
(07:57):
and that lent itself to uh given the Timberwolves a
little bit more of an advantage. And they're a good team.
You know, they they're a really good team.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You Steve Kerr, Mark few Beheim, you guys all have
done a very good job coaching professional players, uh as
college coaches. Obviously Kerr played at Arizona, but he's a
pro coach and is there coaching. Is coaching at Duke
because you have so many pro players is a little NBA.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Ish, Yeah, it is?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
It is. It is.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Do you think did you ever take anything from the
pros and bring it back to Duke to help you.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Oh yeah, you know, I coached the US team for
eleven years, in three Olympics and two World Championships, and
I brought back a lot you know, uh, you know, uh,
sports science. You know, how guys prepared language, not cussing
in that but different although probably picked up a few
(09:04):
words there too.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Now, just how they their defensive coverages, you know, but
they're one of the main things is how hard they
prepared and uh and the excellent shape they kept themselves in.
And I brought that back where we really increased our
sports medicine science and and uh. But it also helped
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me uh X and O wise. You know, I had
Jim Beheim was with me eleven years, but I had
Monti Williams and Thibodeau, you know, these guys who are uh,
you know, terrific pro coaches and and I learned a
lot from them, But I learned from the players because
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they're really you know, these are great players. Kobe Bryant,
Lebron James, all these guys. Uh, they they really understand
the game. People don't realize how smart they are and
how much preparation that they give. So those were eleven
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amazing years for me, and I was very lucky to
have that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
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Speaker 1 (10:25):
You know, Christian Latner was so dominant when he played,
and he was part of that Kentucky win you just
years and years ago. Maybe it was Jay Billis was
sharing a story about the first time you had seen
lebron and he took two steps at half court and
dunked it, and you turned to Billis, what in the
world am I watching? Go back to your college career.
(10:47):
I'm going to test your memory. Was there a moment
when you obviously coached your team hard, but you allowed
players to go off script the Grant Hill players. Was
there ever a moment in college you went by and
you turned to an assistant and you're like, this player
is better than I thought he would be. This like
you were actually as a coach, you turned an assistant
(11:09):
and said, I never imagined he would be this good.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
This player.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, Now, a number of times I can remember when
we had Bobby Hurley, and Bobby was a good at
point guard that's ever played in college, and one practice
he's playing defense, and I looked to Tommy Amaker, who's
one of my assistants then and I said, I've never
seen anybody play that hard. And then at times with
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grand Hill, you know, if Grant Hill had not been
injured five years since his pro career, he would have
ended up being one of the top ten players of
all time. But he was very humble. And there are
times at timeouts, I would say, you know, for every
four minutes, I'd say, okay, every time you touch the
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book all you I don't want you to pass it.
I just want you to do whatever you want with it.
He said, what do you mean? I said, no, just
do something where someone says, you know, how did coach
k teach you how to do that? I'm not lying.
I mean this is true. And because there are players,
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there's certain players that you have to be careful not
to overcoach. You have to give them the room to
become what their talent can can show. And uh uh
you know, Zion was was that uh uh you know, really,
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even though he's an outstanding athlete, but he wasn't that
like those two guys Zion and Grant uh Battier was
like that. He was very humble too, and uh, let's say,
come on, man, you know, let it out, you know,
let it out, like we are talking about JJ earlier,
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JJ did Colin. He did some stuff that I could
not imagine. You know, in hostel arenas. You know, guys
were pulling on his shirt. He was trying to run
him into the ground. And he enjoyed putting up forty
on the road or thirty eight or thirty six. He's
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so damn cocky and good. No, he really was.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I love.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
My plays worked better with.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Nick Saban says, yeah, it alose plays better when I
get a great pass rush from a five star guy.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Finally, there's a lot of reasons I like NIL. One
of the reasons I like it is because I like
kids having a little money and before they have a
lot of money, because a lot of athletes don't have it.
So I like a guy having a couple hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
And maybe blown.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
It on a close and before he gets twenty million.
And I do think it's instructive that before you get
you know, it used to be no money college, you
make a fortune. And I think that's tough on anybody,
regardless of your background is have you found there are
some things with NIL that that I think it's keeping
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more kids in college.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I like college basketball over G League. I like that.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
But are there things about NIL beyond just a kid
making money that you think are instructive or you like
about it?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, it is what it is, and so we should
put our arms around it and figure out how to
make it the very very best. I will say that
one of the things you just mentioned, it's not right
with all all these kids where you make a lot
of money now and then you're going to make a
lot of money later. Most of the kids, remember there's
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there's not as many are going to make it into
the NBA are going to be making more money in
college than they will after college. And that's the thing
I mean, their kids make. There are a lot of
kids making seven figures now, not all if you've counted
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all those kids up around the country making half a
million to three or four million, depending on the school.
And there are a lot of kids and they're you know,
what's the lottery got fourteen guys. The first round has
thirty picks, and so they're going to be guys who
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there are kids now, there are kids that have not
been invited to the combine who were making seven figures
last year in college, you know, so you're going to
have to deal with that. However, if they're smart, they
have a right to make that money, just so they
use it wisely and they're able to transition to the
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next phase of their playing career. You know, the guys
who are lottery picks that they don't that's the normal thing.
That's the normal thing. But it's all changed, Colin. It's changed,
and it doesn't mean that it's bad. It just means
that we have to get better control over it and
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make sure make sure that these kids are well taken
care of. You know, right now, if you're a college
coach at a high level program, you know you're you're
dealing more with agents than you are with coaches, and
that's why you have general managers and it's run like
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a professional team, except there are no contracts, which that
might change depending on where the how this SOLW is going.
It's just in a state of flux right now. But
God blessed, the kids should make as much as they can.
They should transfer just like any other student whenever they want.
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But that's going to run out and hopefully when it
runs out in college, they're able to go to a
level of playing basketball that is really good for him.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Coach k forty two years ambassad now in the speaking circuit.
Love to hear some of his stories. Nobody's ever won
more basketball games and men's basketball, and that is saying something.
There's been unbelievable coaches. You can turn the TV on
every night. It can be Rick Carlisle or Chris Finch.
There are great coaches everywhere. My buddy Tom Izzo basketball
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has got great coaches everywhere, and you're at the very
top of that, coach, And I appreciate you stopping by.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, now, I've always enjoy being on and thanks for
not forgetting me. Yeah, it's that was you know, I
don't even know why I said that. I shouldn't have
said that.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I liked it.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
He listened.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
He erased that you're you're, you're capable of anything. Erased.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
That just go right into the ether. Nobody heard but
you and me. That's it. That's the only people that
heard it. All right, all right, good seeing Thanks for
having me out. You're at the great Mike Krzyzewski. Yeah,
it's uh, I.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Mean like I think what it took Mike a couple
of years to embrace one and done. But I think
with N I L, you can complain about stuff like
Rick Carla or Rick Patino said. You can complain about
stuff or you can embrace it and try to figure
it out. It's like anything. I mean, I almost look
at NI L. Is a new tax code, all right,
got a new tax code. An accountants job is to
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figure out how to use it best for his clients.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I mean, in the end, you can you know, I
don't like what it is.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
It.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
By the way, every year, uh, the wild wild West
will get a little less wild, and everybody will get
their arms around it and we're gonna be okay. Nick Wright,
coach K good guest today as I get ready to
get on a plane with a few others and head
to a beautiful city. Some of us are staying behind,
others are taking the big swing.
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Speaker 4 (20:24):
All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
J Mack just got some video in some pictures, some
still photos of the rookie quarterback Symposium camp Thing.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Radio audience. I apologize.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It shows the difference in size between Joe Flacco, Shador Sanders,
Kenny Pickett, and Dylan Gabriel, who I do not see
as an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
You're such a hiatist, don't you think Dylan Gabriel has
been dealing with this his entire career, high school, college,
now it's the NFL.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
It's just another day for him.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I just want it.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
What do they say, big tree fall hard when the
big guy goes down, Dylan Gabriel's taking him down. I
prettic Key starts more games next season than Shador does.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
In Cleveland, we have a close up of he and
Flacco having the discussion.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Okay, let's see what that looks like.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
That was it was. You know, it's awkward.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
It's so utterly disrespectful.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
No, I think, I just I do think size.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I think we have because the occasional Russell Wilson or
Kyler Murray, we look and think size doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, Drew's my size six to one. But I think
we look at that and we go, oh oh.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I grew up with fran Tarkenton, who was smaller but very,
very mobile and I think it matters. I want my
guy to be Justin Herbert or Dan Fouts or Philip
Rivers like the Chargers. I want six three, six y
four big guys. We showed the picture earlier of of
Justin Herbert, bow Nix and Dylan Gabriel. Justin Herbert. Ideally,
I want a bigger athlete. I'm not sorry to me,
six one and a half is kind of the is
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kind of what I'm looking for.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
So yeah, I mean it hasn't helped Kenny Picket it
at all. Huh well, again, there's some but I mean
Justin Herbert is ideal. I mean, look at the look
at this he's look at his chest and his shoulders
and his legs. Have you seen him in person? Yes,
he's enormous, He's massive. He's an't abnormality.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
No, No, he's just an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
There's not a lot of guys that are his size.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Man his size, Striping Man Mayfield, Tom Brady, Peyton, Manning,
Big Ben Cam Newton.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Yeah, four guys in the last twenty seven years.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Listen, you say, well, Jalen hurts his six to one.
He's also unique. He squats six hundred and sixty pounds
and he's a unique athlete his mobility and movement.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
So J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
No turns. This is the herdline news right.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Big game tonight Cavspacers Game five. It sounds like Donovan
Mitchell is going to be a game time decision due
to that ankle injury. Came out at halftime for Game four,
tried to shoot, was.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Like, oh, this ain't working.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
He's headed back to the locker room, did not play
in the second half. Darius Garlet, and he's not worried
about tonight. He says, the franchise has been there before,
down three.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
To one, This franchise been down through one before.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
This group can do it. We got the talent, we
got the skill set. The camaraderie is always there. It's
got to just go out there and play without physically
that we play with and play out Brandon basketball.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
No, Lebron James ain't walking through that door. Sorry, Darius Carland,
that's not happening.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
I with no Mitchell, they're done.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I don't think there's any chance the wad Mitchell. Maybe
they win this game in fource Game six, they're done.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I think Celtics are done.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Do you have an early lean in Pacers Knicks.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I think a lot of people like the Pacers.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
One person here respected the Pacers early in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I did you deserve credit?
Speaker 8 (23:46):
You liked him?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's it's I think there's a lot of people that
think they're a matchup problem for the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Next up is to the NFL. Derek Carr retired over
the weekend. It was weird.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
He retired like a was it Saturday morning. I didn't
see the news for hour. It was just a strange timing.
And now the Saints quarterback room looks like this Colin
Spencer Rattler, Jake the Snake Han and rookie Tyler Shook.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
That is uninspiring, to say the least.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Yeah, Rattner and Hater want to combined oho in seven
last season, and Shook as a twenty five.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Year old from Louisville who played seven years of college football,
never distinguished himself. I don't think this is hard. I
trade Chris o'lave, I trade Al.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
I think they're going to be in the running for
the number one pick next year without que. I mean,
I know people want to say arts babies, who's going
to be.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Let's just be honest. Who's going to be bad next year?
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Cleveland, Cleveland, the Jets, and the Giants have the lowest
win totals. I think the Saints will be right with
their so we're even worse. I trust Justin Fields with
the Giants Jokers. Giants have Jackson Dart, so they're out
of the quarterback. Don't draft a quarterback, warners round. They're
into the Jackson Dart for two to three.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Years time out.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
If they win five games, there's a chance day Boll
and Shane are cooked. They're gone, right, So then Jackson
Dart doesn't have anybody championing him in the front office,
and the new guy's gonna want their own quarterback because
they're drafted top five.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
So I don't know about that.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I think the Saints have probably one of the weaker
rosters in the NFC, and I would look to trade
anybody good bought him out, and then hope arch Manning
comes out. I think he's gonna come out. By the way,
all these people were like, oh, arch Manning's gonna stay.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
You can count in the last.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Twenty five ish years the superstars who were gonna be
won and then stayed.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
It's Peyton Manning and Andrew Locke. That's it. Everyone else
who's good comes out. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Saints.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
I think you can get Arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Final story colin college football, Oh yeah, Week one Fox
has announced Texas.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Ohio State kicks off. The season.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Doesn't get much better than that. You get the best
player in the country in Smith, You've got the most
promising quarterback in the country in Arch Manning. And of
course it's a rematch from the College Football Playoff, which
was a great game went down into the fourth quarter.
This is gonna be musty TV. Obviously. I have not
seen a line yet, but I would lean Texas Texas
(26:17):
just because they got a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, I would Texas tribably be a two and a
half point favorite something around there. I mean, I think
the two best players in college.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Football are both Buckeyes Downs.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I think Caleb Downs has a chance to go after
Arch Manning. He'll be the first non quarterback taken. Caleb
Downs will be the first down quarterback taken. And then
I think Smith. The wide receivers are sophomore, He's he
may be better than him, but he's I don't think
he's elegible.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
He's not draft l Ow.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It says Ohio State minus six. Oh I would take
Texas plug six. That seems Why is that arch Manning
and your minus six?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. I mean that sounds crazy.
In fact, I don't even know who I mean starter
is next year.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, and also Texas has said they're going to spend
forty million nil.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
They got arch Manning, you don't think that, and they
got revenge on their minds after losing that playoff.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
No, no, that's the bad line. I don't care if
the game's in Columbus.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Yeah, give me Texas there straight up on the money
line every which way.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
We're gonna lay in the lumber for September.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Who gave us that line? Was that one of those uh?
Hold on, hold on?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Actually okay, so now it's actually it's minus three Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I still think I would take the points.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I like, I get arch Manning, revenge, and Texas is
going to spend more than Ohio State did nil.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Ohio State lost a ton of guys to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well, they have the two best players.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Well, they lost two running backs, elite wide receiver, their
quarterbacks going.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
They got a lot to them.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
You know, I know they got they got a ton
of guys, but gimme Texas in that matchup.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I think I lean with you. I want I don't
know Ohio State's quarterback situation here, right, Will Howard? You
know he's gone.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
He's in the NFL now competing guy, I know for backup.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
The Pittsburgh Steelers. Are you done?
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah, okay?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
In the NFL schedule release, is that tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So there's a lot of people speculating that Aaron Rodgers
will announce after the schedules out or right before he'll
announce he's a Steeler. I'm not going to try to
guess what Aaron's going to do. I could see Aaron
just a screw with people. You know, he's very contrarian,
just do something off script and and and I could
see him doing that, like doing it next week.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
I don't think that, listen.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
I know the Steelers are a blue what everybody look,
I don't think they're going to get any primetime games.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Do you with an uncertain quarterback situation?
Speaker 4 (28:44):
No, no, no, I mean in the inner Division. You'd
take Burrow and.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
You can't have Mason Rudolph on Sunday night football. That's
just it's not it doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I mean, I would say these days, Aaron Rodgers on
Monday night Sunday Night football is worth maybe one game
if they go in a little you know, I mean
you can flex it, flex it in.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
But by the way, before we go, I.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Think the Celtics, the Tatum injury, Porzingis, Horford, Drew Holliday
looks old. I not that Boston isn't well run and
won't figure it out, but it feels a little different today,
right like their future is not quite as cemented as
it was.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Well, they're gonna have to move off some guys.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
I don't think they can get Janis right, I don't
see a path to that, but they can tweak around
the edges. And you seem to love Jalen Brown to
NBA Finals MVP. Drew Holliday's had a bit of a
tough go here in the playoffs. You know, Porzingis is
looking like this illness has got him down. I don't
know Peyton Pritchard, what happened to Peyton Pritchard last night?
Great questions, did he get five threes? They just stood
(29:55):
around in the second half, They didn't move.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
You think he gets fired Missoula by the way, No, I.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Mean he grew a lot first year to second year,
so I don't think they. I think, you know, coaches grow.
JJ Reddick will be better next year than this year.
And he had a very painful exit. Joe Missoula is
going to have a very painful exit. Is a big
favorite who just did not pull enough levers in big spots.
Nick Wright earlier on the Celtics future after the Tatum injury.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
If Tatum is out for next season, was last night
the last.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Game of Tatum and Brown together?
Speaker 9 (30:27):
Maybe I wouldn't bet that, but maybe it certainly ends
this iteration of Boston, which people were speculating was going to,
you know, potentially make some major moves even.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
If they won the championship.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, I mean the way they've done it, the NBA's
eliminated tanking. I mean, you can do it, but it
doesn't help your odds clearly. And the other thing is
it's eliminated dynasty. So you got to break it up.
And I thought Denver was going to be the next
Spurs with Jokic. They had to move off key rotational players,
and it's never been the same. Now they've moved off
their coach, and they you know, Denver's got you know,
(31:06):
a lot of big contracts for a lot of years,
and now Boston. I mean, let's be honest, Tatum's deal,
Jalen Brown's deal, and one of their other deals is
is it Derek White. They're just starting and those are
long term deals. So if those three are the future,
that's fine. I like all of those players, but they're
(31:26):
gonna have to make some moves here and those windows
we thought Denver, I mean, we thought Denver, this thing
was gonna last a long time.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Oklahoma City. It may just fly past them tonight.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Let's slow down with that.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Regarding the Celtics demise, can you name the last defending
NBA champ to get past the second round of the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
The following year after winning the title Golden State?
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Yeah, you got to go back to twenty eighteen, Colin Like,
it's tough to repeat. Man, these games. Were you one
hundred games in the season, yeah, eighty two plus the playoffs.
I've been saying this. You got to get rid of
seven game first round series. You're wearing these guys out.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Hey, you're asking you're allowing this kind of level of physicality,
and you want seven games in the first round. You're
beating your stars and your older players up. They're falling apart.
So I think you should go I mean, I would
be three games in the first round. Jordan played five
game first round. I'd go five to five, five.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
And then seven.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
I'm sure the owners will push back. We need the
game day revenue, all that stuff. But next time you
get Adam Silver, we need to ask him that. Can
you why not go back to, you know, five games
in the first round.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
If you're gonna allow physicality at the level which is
being permitted seven games. Is just that Celtic Nick game
last night. The intensity and physicality of that thing. Tatum
earlier in the game hit the floor and it's like wow,
it was like a football collision.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
By the way, Denver is starting to age. Yes, did
you see the line tonight? It was ten?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
I like, okay, see I do I do too.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
I mean, you get guys are getting older quick man.
These games are rugged.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Jason Ryan, I'll see you guys tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
All right, now, I'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
All right, somewhere UH be safe. Some NBA action again
Tonight in La, it's the hurt
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