Hoops Tonight - Series Preview: Knicks-Pacers Eastern Conference Finals Preview + Prediction

Jason breaks down the Eastern Conference Finals between the New York Knicks and the Indiana Pacers. He discusses the matchups between Tyrese Haliburton, Jalen Brunson, Karl-Anthony Towns, Pascal Siakam, Myles Turner, and more. Finally he makes his pick in the series for who will advance to the NBA Finals. 

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All right, welcome to Hoops tonight. You're at the volume
heavy sun to every hopeful. If you guys are having
a great weekend as promised, We're getting to our Eastern
Conference Finals preview today, So I mean the New York
Knicks and the Indiana Pacers what should be a very
entertaining series. Two very different teams than we expected to
see at this point in time, but two teams that
are playing great basketball led by two elite guards. It's

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gonna be super fascinating. We're going to get into it,
like we usually do, from a bunch of different angles.
We'll talk about the season series, we'll talk about the
gambling odds on DraftKings, we'll talk about the pacers with
the ball, the Knicks with the ball. We'll talk a
little bit about the respective bench units, and then we
will get to our prediction. You guys know the job
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talk some basketball. So season series the Knicks one two
to one. Two of the games took place in the
first couple weeks of the season. That's the only game
where like everyone actually played was in October, so not
too much to take away there, But the metrics that
came out of those three games. The Knicks log Day
one to twenty six offensive rating in the three games.
The Pacers log Day one to fifteen offensive rating in

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the three games. The Knicks also dominated the glass. They
grabbed fifty three point six percent of available rebounds and
they grabbed over thirty percent of their own misses in
this matchup in the regular season. Our odds, again, they
are provided by our partner DraftKings. The Knicks are currently
a minus one forty favorite to win the series. I
think that's a good betting opportunity. On the Indiana side,

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I view this as very much a coin flip series,
and I think the Pacers are a slightly better team,
But I think the Knicks have home court advantage and
that that obviously matters, so that to me makes it
a coin flip and in a coin flip to get
Indy at plus one twenty is obviously the better price
for me. Let's start with the Pacers on the ball,

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so matchups. McHale Bridges regard Tyres Haliburton. He did a
good job there in the regular season. Tyre's average seventeen
to nine in the three games on forty four percent
from the field twenty six percent from three But again
it's worth mentioning, like we did in the Friday Night Show,
Tyres is just playing at a substantially higher level now
than he did when these games took place. But Michale

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does have the tools for it. He has a good motor,
he navigates screens well, he's got the length to pressure
from behind, he can peel switch, and I think we
will see some switching, especially in Halliburton Siakam actions, in
this series. I'd also consider if I was Tom Thibodeaux
and McHale Bridges trying to deny Tyres Haliburton the ball.
The Cavs did a lot of this in their second
round series and actually had some success playing Halliburton into

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some passive stretches just by denying him the ball. Like
ball goes in the basket instead of letting him inbound
just stand in front of Tyres Haliburton and maybe he'll
just kind of let someone else take it and just
kind of it just kind of plays him into passivity.
So that's something that I would potentially consider if I
was Tom Thibodham. They have Jalen Brunson guard Andrew Nemhard,
which I think is fascinating. Right. What you would think

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is you put him on a guy like aaron Ne Smith.
But I think this is the right call to move
Brunson over to Nemhard. Nie Smith is playing super well
as of late, and he brings a ton of athletic
force to the position, so it actually makes sense to
have Josh Hart, a better athlete, try to match Aaron
Nesmith's athletic force. Now, as far as Brunson on Nemhard,

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there will still be some issues there. Indiana will find
ways to attack Brunson there. Nemhard can run action on
the ball that will force Brunson to either pursue through
screens or to switch on to Biggs. Nemhard will also
run inverted action as the screener. He'll screen for Halliburton
or he'll screen for Siakam and in those situations, I
expect Brunson to hedge and recover. And so in those gaps,

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like Nemhard screens for let's say yakam and Brunson doesn't
want to switch on a Siakam, he'll throw the hedge
Nemhart slips out of it, there's an opening there for
Nemhart to catch and try to look to attack. And
so that's a big way that I think we'll see
Nemhard look to attack Brunson. I emphasize differences in the
Friday Night Show. If you guys remember between what the

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Celtics Knicks matchup looked like and what the Pacers Knicks
matchup looked like. This is one of those ways, like
Brunson defended really well in that Celtics series, but it
was different. There's a lot of like one on one
defense against Brunson, or excuse me, against Jalen Brown and
against Jason Tatum. They weren't really posting him so much
as they were isoing him, and they were kind of
like settling for tough, contested jump shots over the top

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of Brunson. This is going to be more of a
test of speed. It's gonna be a situation where he's
gonna need to fly around out of those hedges to
get back into rotation as Nemhart looks to attack. Obviously,
Brunson defended well against Boston, but this is a different matchup.
How well Brunson defends will play a big role. Josh

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Hard on Aaron E. Smith. Aaron Smith's just a better
player than he was last year. He's shooting fifty two
percent on unguarded catch and shoot threes in the playoffs,
so you can't leave them open. He's shooting forty six
percent on guarded catch and shoot jump shots in the playoffs,
so if you get there in time, it might not
even matter. And he's shooting fifty four percent on twos

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when he drives closeouts, including seven for twelve on mid
range jump shots. He's putting the ball on the floor
against the closeout, snatch back, dribble pull up in the
mid range, spin over his right shoulder pull up in
the mid range. Like he's got some really high level
shot making that he's bringing to the table. At this point.
He's averaging fifteen points per game in the playoffs. He

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had a twenty three point game against the Cavs there's
real volume scoring there. He's also the best offensive rebounder
on the team. He gets one point six offensive rebounds
in this postseason per game. That's more than Miles Turner,
more than anybody else on the team. He relentlessly slashes
and crashes and all that kind of stuff because he's
a ball pressure guy who wants to pick up Brunson
full court anyway, So he's gonna end up around the

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basket anywhere on anyway trying to deny him, catches trying
to pick him up. So all that crashing and slashing
just kind of fits into what his role is on
the defensive end anyway. So I think between the volume
scoring and the offensive rebounding and all that athletic force,
it makes sense to have Josh Hart be the guy
who's taken those hits. Especially with Brunson having to pick

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up a lot of like we just talked about a
lot of that full court pressure, you don't want to
have him also take wear and tear trying to deal
with Aaron E. Smith just being a pain in the
ass athlete. If you don't believe that's an issue, as
Donovan Mitchell, who just had to do in the last
round and at one point got slammed into the ground
off of a dunk on an offensive rebound when he
tried to match up with Aeron Smith crashing down the

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lane on a free throw. Oj Annobi on Pascal Siaka,
Siakam attacked Og one on one and attempted a shot
just twice this season, a couple of pretty tough contested
pull up that he made and then a more open
up off of a move where he got good separation.
So he's two for two. But again, I don't think
we'll see a ton of that outside of late clock situations,

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and the Pacers are not using Siakam a ton on
the ball in these playoffs regardless. He's logged seventy five
shot attempts in spot up situations in transition and slipping
out of ball screens, but only forty four shot attempts
in post ups ISOs in ball screens as the handler,
So like it's not as exaggerated as it is with

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Og on offense, because Og similarly has been way more
aggressive off ball than he's been on ball. But even
with Siakam was a better on ball player, He's doing
most of his work, like two thirds of his work
off the ball. The transition sequences and spot ups are
self explanatory. He's knocking down catch and shoot threes, driving
clothes outs, just pushing the ball in transition with his athleticism.
But the stuff like popping out of pick and roll

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or posts up in ISO situations, that stuff is interesting.
Siakam got a lot of pick and pop looks in
the first two rounds in large part because the bucks
and calves re guarding him with bigs. There was some switching,
but there were a lot of sequences where he was
open on pick and pops. This series, if Mikale Bridges
is on Tyree s Halliburton and Ojn Andobi's on Siakam,

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they're switching that ball screen. So he's not going to
get as many picking pop threes as he did in
that second round series. He might still get some in
some specific screening actions. I just don't expect it to
be as big of a factor as it was in
earlier rounds. So it will come down to Siakam attacking
one on one in ISO and post up situations, most

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likely not against Brunson, because again, as we look in
the at any of the previous matchups between these teams,
they just had you to recover with him and try
to keep him off Siakam at all costs. But throughout
this season and last year in the second round, the
favorite matchup for Siakam against the Knicks has been Josh Hart.

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If you guys remember this. Last year in the postseason,
Siakam just horched him over and over and over again,
especially after ogn Andobi went down towards the tail end
of the series. They were just straight up double teaming
those post ups on Josh Hart. It was a problem.
Even this year in the regular season, the player Siakam
looked to attack most and switches with oj Andnobe available.

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With McHale Bridges on the team, he wanted to go
after Josh Hart. That's his favorite matchup there. As for
Ojan Andobi's job specifically in this matchup with Siakam, outside
of the few times that will see him guard Siakam
one on one, it's just helping recover situations, right, A
lot of situations where he's going to be digging down,
diving at the basketball, but also getting out to Siakam

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did a great job of that in the Celtics series.
He's arguably the Knicks best defender. I expect him to
be great again in this series. Karl Anthony Towns and
Miles Turner. This matchup is interesting on both ends of
the floor because when Miles Turner is on offense, he's
obviously not as good offensively as Cat, but Cat's not
as good defensively as he is, So it's like I'm
that into the floor. They're both like lesser versions of themselves.

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But then when the Knicks are on offense, Kat's obviously
substantially better, but Miles is substantially better, so it's a
different challenge there. But again, when the Pacers have the ball,
this is where I have the most concern for the
Knicks defense in this matchup. Miles Turner is doing a
ton of damage as an off ball scorer in these playoffs,
shooting forty five from three on four attempts per game.
He'll take them spotting up, he'll take them popping, He'll

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roll to the elbows and shoot a little short jump shots.
He's doing a ton of work there. So Kat's job
in those help and recover situations will be to whether
it's in a drop coverage or it's helping off of
an action somewhere else on the floor to just make
sure he towes that line between being in there to
help but also making sure he gets out to contest
Miles Turner. The Pacers are very good at relentlessly hunting

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those kinds of reads, and so Kat is going to
be the primary entry point that the Pacers look to attack. Now,
before we go to the Knicks on offense, I want
to highlight Tyre's Halliburton for a minute. He's obviously the
engine that makes this offense go right with his kick ahead, passes,
the pace he plays within the half court, the relentless
advantage hunting all that stuff. But there will be, in

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all likelihood a few close games in this series, and
in those moments, Halliburton's going to be competing with the
player in Brunson, who has been far and away the
best clutch player in the NBA. In this postseason. Brunson
has scored forty three clutch points in these playoffs. No
other player in the NBA scored more than twenty six. Now,

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to be clear, Halliburton has had a great clutch postseason.
Two twenty points on fifteen shots, two game winners each
that ended, one that ended a series, and one that
stole Game two on the road in Cleveland, and the
Pacers are actually yet to lose a clutch game in
this postseason thanks to two last minute seven point comebacks,
both captured by Halliburton game winners. But the point is

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we're gonna see these slow down showdowns, switch hunting matchup,
attacking isolation contests between Brunson and Haliburton, and which direction
those games go could potentially swing the series. It's just
something to keep an eye on, all right. The key
for the Knicks defense before we move on defensive communication
and effort in rotation between the relentless transition pushes that

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Indiana's famous for and accounting for Turner spacing off of
Kat and Siakam drawing double teams on guys like Josh
Hart and the Post or whoever else it might be,
or if it's brunts and hedging and recovering and and
Nemhard getting clean catches, whatever it is, the Knicks will
likely spend most of the series in man down situations,

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meaning someone for Indiana will be open and the Knicks
will have to rotate to that guy. Oj McHale and
Josh Hart are all fantastic rotators when they are locked in,
but as many Knicks fans will tell you, they can
also have bad nights. So that's something to keep an
eye on. If they have one too many of those
bad nights, it could cost them the series. All right,
let's move to New York. On offense, I expect Aaron E.

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Smith to start on Jalen Brunson. We have a pretty
solid say now of Nemhar doing a good job on Brunson,
but Brunson just being a bit too strong for nem
hard and very capable of shooting over the top. So
and also just based on what happened last in their
final regular season matchup in February this year, Carlisle started
with Knie Smith on Brunson, so I think we'll see

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a Nie Smith on there. Brunson has had success against
Nie Smith, but it just looks harder. He's bigger and stronger,
can't bump him as easily. It's harder for him to
shoot over the top. I think that makes the most sense.
Ball pressure is going to be the key here. The
Pacers will likely attempt to pick up Jalen Brunson full
court all series, and Brunson's good at handling pressure, but

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there's a wear and tear factor. It could lead to
fatigue for Brunson as games progress or as the series progresses,
So the Knicks could look to mitigate this by having
someone else bring the ball at the floor right, Have
Josh Hart bring it up, have Michael Bridges bring it up.
But the Pacers will pressure that guy too. They ball
pressure everyone full court. So it's just on the Knicks

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to avoid getting sped up, to avoid losing control of
the game, and those like defense to transition sequences because
they turn the ball over take bad shots against ball pressure.
That is going to be a big swing factor in
this series. As for Nie Smith and Nemhard, the job
is just stay attached and make them work. In the
regular season, in pick and roll, the Pacers used at

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the level coverages with both Turner and Bryan, meaning meeting
Brunson before he can come around and turn the corner.
That actually made Brunson more of a scorer, and his
scoring totals were lower in this matchup. In the regular
season the average about twenty points per game efficiently, but
only about twenty points per game. They made him get
rid of the ball more. But there's two edges to that.

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Sword Kat lit up the Pacers this year in that
pacer in that coverage. If you're bringing two on the
ball to attend to Brunson, there are going to be
advantages beneath on the pop or if they rotate to
the pop on the weak side, like that's where the
Knicks did a lot of damage to Indiana this year. Again,
the job though, dealing with Brunson in those ball screens,

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it's a bracket. So whether it's Miles Turner or it's
Thomas Bryant, they got to be active up at the
level of the screen and then Nemhard and Knee Smith
just have to chase over the top, stay attached right
in ISO situations. And again we know Brunson will ISO
those guys straight up dozens of times in this series.
Slide your feet, take contact in the chest, attack his

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base before he goes up, get a good contest, live
with the results. Hope he wears down. But to be clear,
Jalen Brunson is just playing at an incredibly high level
right now and there's only so much you can do.
Andrew nev Hart will start on Michal Bridges. Mchaal struggled
in this matchup in the regular season just twelve points
per game, shot twenty percent from three, but he shot

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poorly in general to start the season, and two of
those games happened during that stretch. McHale's role on the
Knicks is interesting. When Brunson's on the floor, he'll run
some second side action, but he mostly looks to attack
off the catch and in transition. He has not shot
the ball very well in this postseason, but he has
hit some very important threes. When Brunson is off the floor,
They've been leaning into him as like a ball handler

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and spread pick and roll at the top of the
key with Mitchell Robinson, and he's been getting some looks
in the midrange to drop. He shot well there forty
four percent on fifty two attempts on twos inside of
seventeen feet in the playoffs. He's won games for the
Knicks in this playoff run. Hitting those shots for Nemhard
just about getting contests, rear view contests and pick and roll. Obviously,

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Turner and Briant got to be active with their hands
up in their drop coverages, but also in general and
in spot up situations. Nemhard just has to get a
hand up. There's been a consistent trend this year. This
actually extends to Og and Josh Hart so to stand by.
We'll get to that in a minute. But with McHale
bridges in the regular season and in the playoffs, where
his shooting has gone down substantially from unguarded to guard it,

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we've seen what happens. He elevates comically high and kicks
his legs. Every time he gets rushed on a three.
He just responds by making it like a really tough shot, right,
And he's hit some of those, but he makes them
tougher and his percentages go down. So all you gotta
do if your nem haard is just focus on making
sure that you get a quality contest in those situations.

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Skim on og Nanobi. As mentioned earlier, ojn Andobi has
just been a more exaggerated off ball version of what
Siakam is. There's some on ball stuff. He'll run a
handful of ball screens, ISOs and post ups. You'll see
about four of them per game in the postseason. He's
efficient on him. He gets just over a point per possession,
but it's super low volume. But Og is super aggressive

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off the ball. He's taking one hundred and eighteen shots
in this postseason. In transition and spot up situations, he's
shooting forty eight percent on unguarded catch and shoot jump shots.
He is the quintessential off ball scoring forward, as we've
talked about so much this season. So siakam a lot
of help and recover decity. How well can he account
for helping in the paint on other actions while also

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making sure that he gets contests in containment on closeouts
against oj Anoby once again, get the contest in this postseason,
oj Anobe drops from forty eight percent to twenty four
percent on catch and shoot jump shots when you just
can test him per s energy. Tyre's Halliburton on Josh
Hart in theory, this is the perfect heedge and recover option. Right,

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Josh Hart's not a movement shooter, but there are two
potential options here. And remember when I say like when
I say like movement shooting to beat hedging, all that
means is Halliburn's throwing a hedge. There is a slipping
Josh Hart who's wide open. Now he's got to shoot,
slipping out of that screen with the ball coming from

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his side as he's running to his side. It's just
a difficult type of shots, very different than a pick
and pop where he can just linger around the top
of the key while the center is sinking way down
into the paint. And it's more the pass is coming
more for the front, and he's got all day to
look at it. Right, there are two potential problems. Josh
Hart happens to be shooting extremely well on open threes

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in the playoffs. He's twelve for twenty to be exact,
that's sixty percent. He has been specifically torching teams by
popping and pick and roll, and he has torched the
Pacers this year twenty two points per game, despite shooting
just seventeen percent from three in those three games. How
offensive rebounding, he gets two point three offensive rebounds per
game against the Pacers two point one in the playoffs

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last year. That two point three numbers from the regular
season this year. Driving closeouts as well, that patent did
transition push rae'l just get his shoulder into your body
and finish at the rim. But this matchup is different.
As we mentioned in popping against Porzingis Haliburton has been
very good in this playoff runt at hedging and recovering
hands up where like as he throws the hedge over

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a year, he gets out with his hands up to
force you to throw the pass over the top of
his hands. It gives him longer time to recover and
then he just needs to get a hand up. And similarly,
Josh Hart has dropped in this postseason from sixty percent
to thirty one percent on catch and shoot jump shots
when he's just contested. I'm less worried about the shooting
with Josh Hart and the Haliburton matchup than just the

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athletic Force. And we talked about this earlier with Aaron Nesmith.
If he would have ended up being guarded by Brunson,
he could have done a ton of damage with that
sort of thing. Josh Hart could do a lot of
damage to Tyrese Haliburton in this series on the glass,
attacking downhill, off of closeouts and in transition. So let's
keep an eye on that. Miles Turner on Kat as
aforementioned the funner version of this matchup, where Turner's a

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better defender and Kat's a better offensive player. Kat porched
the Pacers this year thirty points and twelve assists per game,
fifty seven percent from the field, forty seven percent from
three to eighty nine percent from the foul line. He
did a lot of damage as a shooter, picking and
popping trailing threes in transition just spacing the floor on
the weak side. But he did also do a lot

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of damage just going one on one at Miles Turner
and Thomas Bryant. He had one of his best dunks
this year driving out of the left orner against Thomas Bryant.
He's able to draw multiple fouls on Miles Turner by
either beating him cleanly off the dribble or by like
faking and dislodging him and then getting like stepping through
to draw some contact. As a group, the Pacers will
need to be much better. Turner's got to be better

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on an island, and they've got to rotate better to
make sure that he doesn't get the types of quality
threes that he was getting in all of the Knicks
actions during the regular season. In many ways, Cat is
the key to the series on both ends of the floor.
He was the guy who killed the Pacers defense all season.
He was also the guy who will be their breaking
point when the Pacers are trying to score. He could

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be the thing that drives success and failure on either end,
so how well he performs will be a big swing
factor in this series. Keys for the Pacers ball pressure
to wear and tear the knicks down in hopes of
having that fatigue benefit them later in the series. Sharp
close outs again Josh Hart, Ojan and Obi and mckel
bridges all plummet as shooting when they're contested and then

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rotating to towns to prevent him from getting those clean
three point shot looks. The benches between these two teams
are very different. All five Nick starters play over thirty
five minutes per game in the postseason. McHale and Og
average over forty minutes per game. There is not a
single pacer who has averaged over thirty five minutes per
game in this postseason. They have a lot of weapons. TJ.

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McConnell's one of the best backup guards in basketball. Relentless
downhill attack, beats people off the dribble cleanly more than
you'll then you'll see most backup guards in the league,
with a lot of short range scoring, excellent passing per
thirty six minutes in this postseason run nineteen point seven
rebounds in tennisis on fifty five percent true shooting. Ben
Mathern has actually been their most their highest scoring rate

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player per thirty six minutes, He's scoring twenty three points
per game on fifty eight percent true shooting. That's higher
than anyone else on the Pacers right now. It's a
lot of downhill athleticism, a lot of drawing fouls, getting
into the pain using his physical tools. Obie toppens a
great fit in the system as an athletic transition player
and as a cutter, provides some of that weak side

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scoring forward work that we always talk about. Ben Sheppard
will get some three and D minutes, Thomas Bryant will
play center with Miles Turners off. They're super deep for
the Knicks. The only two guys who really play a
substantial role for them off the bench Areduce McBride, who's
not shooting super well inside the arc, but is shooting
forty percent from three in the playoffs. I think he's
a good player. And then Mitchell Robinson, who as a
bench big and as a two guy who will play

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like two big looks alongside Kat just a dominant defender
and rebounder on both ends of the flour. Obviously, no
question here that overall depth favors Indiana, in that bench
scoring favors Indiana. My prediction, as I mentioned earlier, I
view this series as roughly a coin flip. I think

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the Pacers are slightly better, but I think the Knicks
have home court advantage and that matters. Although it's worth
mentioning at least before we move on, the Pacers and
the Knicks have both been excellent on the road in
these playoffs. The Knicks are five and one on the
road and the Pacers are four and one. What actually
solidified my pick was Game one of the Bucks series
in Game one of the Cavs series, two games that

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the Pacers took double digit leads in the first quarter.
The first one you could explain away by just saying
it's the Bucks. They were a mediocre team whatever, right,
The Calves are not even without Darius Garland. They're not bad.
They won sixty four games this year. They just looked
completely caught off guard by Indiana's offense. Cut to shreds

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to start that game, leaving constant easy openings. The Pacers
were relentless attacking them. They got punched in the face
in that way. It reminded me of the Warriors in
their heyday. They played just such a different style that
most teams. There's an adjustment period, a period where you
could drop a game or two before you even really

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find your bearings and kind of figure out how you're
supposed to guard this team. So I think the Pacers
a high risk to steal Game one. Would that be
in the case, I think they'd win Game three and
four at home and then close the series off in six.
I think they catch the Knicks off guard, punch him
in the mouth, and then the Knicks are constantly trying

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to make up ground throughout the series, but then they
lose home court and then wear and tear plays a
role towards the tail end of the series because of
the Pacers depth. I think that's how the Pacers end
up getting this thing done in six games. But this
is gonna be incredible, and I absolutely think the Knicks
can win. Predictions don't mean I think the other team sucks.
It just means I think it's less likely. As always,

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there's a way for the Knicks to win this series.
Here's what I think it would look like. It starts
with McHale Bridges doing a great job on Tyre's Halliburton,
playing him into some of those passive stretches that we
talked about from the Cavs series. It extends to mkale
Og and Josh shooting better on spot up threes than
Indie's role players, and it ends with close games where

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Jalen Brunson out plays Tyre's Haliburton down the stretch and
swings the series towards New York. It absolutely can happen.
I just think the Pacers are a slightly better team
that are slightly more likely to get the job done.
All right, guys, As always, I appreciate you guys for
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We will be going with Colin after the game. We

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will have our live show about an hour after I
finish after the game finishes, so I can finish recording
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we end up going live, and then we'll have our
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