May 21, 2025 • 31 mins
Colin talks to Author Jeff Pearlman on the Brett Favre Netflix documentary, Aaron Rodgers' future, and the new-look Luka Doncic Lakers
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
He's a best selling author multiple times, Jeff proman New
York Times best selling offer. He's got the digital series
Press Fox Chronicles on YouTube. I thought it was interesting
today because there's a there's an untold documentary on Netflix
on Brett Farv, and he wrote a book years ago, Gunslinger,
The Remarkable, Improbable, Iconic Life of Brett Favre, which which
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I thought I'd said this at the time. When I
read it, I thought, I thought Brett Farv wasn't very
nice to Aaron Rodgers, wasn't very helpful. It made me
like Aaron Rodgers, regardless of what I think today. But
it's fascinating book. So I'm watching the documentary on him,
which is, you know, hero worship for thirteen minutes, then
they go after him. Jeff Pearlman now joining us live
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knows Brett Farv knows to Packers knows Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So I you know.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So what we were talking during the break.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I've always had this theory, and I call it the Green.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Bay quarterback theory.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Is that Farv's a Southerner, Aaron Rodgers is a hipster
out west, and they morphed into the same guy. Is
that at the end they got needy, a bit precious,
a little rigid, weird, and yet they're different personalities. But
you have no owner. It's the smallest market. You can't
go to the grocery store. You have to hide in
a golf course. And it does affect you. You become
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literally bigger than life, as good as Matt Stafford is,
Stan Kronky.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Runs the show, and Soda is McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
When when Farv started to unravel, Jeff Pearlman, were you
surprised by it or did you see things that made
you wonder?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I actually think you make a really good point, which
is it's this god complex thing that happens when you're
small market quarterback. Like you said, you can't go anywhere.
People will treat you like a god, literally like a god.
You are the king of the landscape. And at some
point it's just unsustainable. Either you get old, you get hurt,
you go somewhere else. Suddenly you're not treated that way.
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So you're Brett Favre. Suddenly you're in New York Jet,
you're living in suburban New Jersey, you're part of this franchise.
You don't know, you're by yourself, living in a hotel
every day, and before you know it, you're sending Penis
pictures to an employee of the team. Like I just
think he got so used to being a certain way, deified, glorified.
All of a sudden he's in a new situation and
he doesn't have the maturity or the personal development to
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handle it.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
I just think that's the very short story of it all.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, so let's let's let's go to Aaron. Aaron I
thought I've always thought bright. I think he's well read.
I think he's interesting, he's a little iconic classic. I mean,
he's a different cat. He clearly pushes back in authority.
It could be the government, it could be vaccines, it
could be the media. He pushes back in authority. That's
okay him for that, go back for the people that
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haven't read the book and your books are fascinating. The
Walter Payton book I think had been lost in because
you've done so much.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That's a fantastic book.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And he's the best running back I've ever seen, probably
by far so during the air and far of stuff.
When I read your book, I had sympathy for Aaron.
I don't think Brett was nice to him. Are you
surprised what he's sort of morphed into? Which is kind
of to a fault. I do my own homework.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Guy, right, So it's interesting. I think I'm sure you've
dealt with these people too. Every now and then in
sports you come across someone who believes from the beginning
that he is the here's here, the smartest people in
the room. I am the smartest person in this room.
Nobody is as intelligent as me. And I feel like
Rogers has had that from a very young age. When
he arrived in Green Bay, he really far was terrible
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to him, like terrible. I mean, there are moments suggest
like treating him like absolute crap. There was a humiliating
time for aon Rodgers. It might sound kind of quaint
and hindsight is he takes his helmet one day, he
puts it on a memorabilia table in the locker room.
Everyone's signing Aaron Rodgers' helmet before practice. He's scurrying around,
can't find his helmet. Someone says, that's yours. It's filled
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with signatures. He has to go to practice as a
rookie bringing this signature filled helmet, and he's mortified.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
And he's humiliated.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
But I just think over time, especially being in a
small Midwestern town surrounded by the Midwestern quaintness of Green Bay,
I think Aaron Rodgers really started to believe I'm the
smartest guy in the room.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I know everything. I am very intelligent.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
I know more than the coaches, I know more than
my teenmates, I know more than this fan base. And again,
if you can contain that in Green Bay, Wisconsin, it's
one thing you're treated as a guy, but once you
go national, once you go to a different franchise, it
doesn't really play out that well because people just see
you as kind of a duche.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So I got to ask you, you know the Bus family, Well,
you wrote the book on the Lakers Dynasty of the eighties,
a fascinating book which got made into an HBO series,
and it's really it's one of those that you can't
put down. It's I always knew Kobe was difficult. Then
I read the book and I'm like, wow, did Phil
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Nutt go after him?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
It was just crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
But you know the Bus family, and I've said this
to a friend about a month ago, I said, Luca's
got a little shack. I'm not sure how commited he
is in the off season. I you know, I'm there
are games he shows up.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Where I think his mind is elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
But he's good for the brand, he's good for merch
He's insanely talented. Knowing how the Bus family eventually made
a decision to move off shack, do you think the
kids have some of those same frustrations with Luca, knowing
that they literally had to call a meeting about his
cardiovascular health after the year.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
So it'd be impossible for me to put myself in
Genie Bus's head.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Obviously, I think.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Numb one.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
They obviously had to make that trade, like you had
to make that trade. You're getting a young superstar in
his prime. The problem is, like you touched upon Luca.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
I don't even understand it. You make all this money
and you're one thing you need to be into shape.
That's it.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
That's the biggest qualification of this job is you need
to be in shape. And the thing about Shaq that's
interesting is when Shaker's with the Lakers, until Kobe really
gained some power and really really started calling out Shack
behind the scenes for his lack of fitness. I don't
think the family was particularly bothered by it because he
Number one, he sold jerseys. Number two, he was charismatic.
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Number three, he produced, and I think Luca technically is
the same thing. He does produce. He does sell jerseys,
He is pretty charismatic. I think it's going to get
a really tricky once Lucas shows up a training camp
thirty pounds overweight, once other teammates start calling him out,
once you start hearing the whispers, because in this town
in Los Angeles, whispers traveled very quickly. And if the
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Lakers start struggling and you have this star who's supposed
to be great and he's on the injury list yet again,
and he looks gey yet again, I just think, I
don't know what their reaction is going to be emotionally
or mentally. I just know they're going to be trapped
yet again. All these Laker fans who think we've escaped.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
We're awesome. We have Luca. It's a little bit of
fool's goal. Potentially.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
You're a New Yorker. Where did you grow up in
New York?
Speaker 6 (07:19):
I grew up in a tiny town called Mayhopak, New York.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Okay. Is that outside of the city, about.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
An hour north right outside of New York to the
hour north of the city.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So I when I worked at the other place, I
always claimed it wasn't a Yankee town or a Giants town.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
It's a Knicks town.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Is that everybody loved the Knicks baseball and football opinions.
And so when I watch Madison Square Garden and I've
said this on the air, I'm sorry, that's the best
basketball city in the country.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
It looks different, it feels donald.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So you tell you've been the Madison Square Garden plenty
of times. Kind of a spiritual revelation for all New Yorkers.
What are you going through? Is a true New Yorker
right now?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Well, the funny thing is, first of all, I just
want to say I grew up I was the one
kid in my school who was a New Jersey Nets fan.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
So I was a big Hey, give it coming a break, man.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
I was a big Pearl Washington, Buck Williams, you know,
Michael corn fan, but the Knicks owned. You are one
hundred percent correct the Knicks, or the universal love of
New York and the Rangers to a slightly listed degree.
And when it's pumping, when the Garden is pumping, when
the team is playing well, there is nowhere like it.
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Madison Square Garden, who's always maintained its electricity, the air
of excitement, the buzz, when you had Patrick Ewing going,
when you had you know, you know, Latrell Spreewell going.
There's something about it that feels visceral and fierce. It's
just something different. You don't get it going a Laker
game or a Clipper game. You just it's something different,
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and it's an advantage the Knicks half that you're not
going to get if you're the Pacers or potentially in
the finals, if you go to Oaklhodma City.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
It's just something really.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Raw, and it's kind of like this when you meet
a New Yorker and they're like, yo, you got to
go to this place and get a slice, and that
guy sucks and blah blah blah, that's Madison Square Garden.
It takes everything about New York and puts it in
one building.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
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Speaker 1 (09:22):
I don't know if you prepared for this, but I've
been joking that if I don't get invited to the
Belichick Belichick Jordan Hudson wedding, I'll be bitter because I'm
the only American media member supporting the relationship. And I
had this discussion last night. I said, Okay, if she
was thirty six, would you be okay with it? If
he was sixty four, would you be okay? I said
In the end, I'm not judging people's relationships as long
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as both people are here for it. Do I think
there's a little bit of her as a wilful young
woman seeing opportunities?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Do I think Bill understanding she's his social stockbroker on
the internet and she's a beautiful young lady. They're both
getting something out of it. I it doesn't bother me,
but I feel like I'm on a total island. Jeff Pearlman,
what do you make of Jordan huns and Bill Belichick?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
All Right, so, I have a twenty two year old daughter,
and if she came home one day and said, Dad,
I wanted you to meet my new boyfriend he's sixty
five years old or sixty seven years old.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
I think I'd be a little troubled by this one.
I don't they.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Can do what they want, They're can sending adults. I
think it's a little weird. I think her role is
definitely weird. I'm sure North Carolina is secretly freaking out
and thinking we didn't really I don't think we knew
what we signed up for with this one. I think
that's the big issue here, is like the sense of
control that she seems to have over his affairs. If
it was my daughter's boyfriend, I'd be freaked out. I
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would not be happy as a spectator. People can do
what they want.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay, yeah, no, I've said that before too. I wouldn't
personally like it, but I do feel like, in a
weird way, they both are using each other for what
it appears they want, and I don't like to be
the moralist.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's not who I am.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
All Right, before we go, you have been writing a
book for a year, and you do six seven, eight
hundred interviews. It's I don't know how you do it.
It goes on sale in October on Tupac's Core. Only
God can judge me the many lives of Tupac Shakur,
Give me one revelation in the book, because you obviously
had some sense of his music, of his iconic history,
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give me one revelation in the book that it was
a jaw dropping moment for you.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Oh, I would say the biggest one is Tupac Shakur.
Everyone knows his ashes were sent off the Pacific in
a ceremony in Maui, but Tupac's mother, Fenny Shakur, actually
saved it and he's buried. I'm not going to say where,
but he is actually buried beneath the gravesite in a
field in the most out of nowhere you would never
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think place ever with a tombstone and a headstone. And
so Tupac shakor whoe everythings was this cremated was actually
actually has a burial site that I actually went to
and stood at.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
So that was kind of my So.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
So is it in California?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
It is not in California. It is in the South.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Wow, you just you just started something not everybody's gonna
go crazy.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, I'm a Northwest kid. Jimmy Hendrix is buried up there. Okay,
all right, Jeff Pearlman. The book comes out in October
on Tupac. Only God can judge me. The Many Lives.
Good scene again, Jeff, and good luck on the book.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
All right, thank you so much. Take care.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, the far the Green Bay situation with Farv and Rogers,
it is just different. I mean, Matt Stafford think about this,
Think how great Matt Stafford is. And Stan Kronkey and
Sean McVay basically said, hey, here's the number, right, like,
here's the number. I mean, Holmes has done team friendly deals.
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Josh Allen is certainly just part of the Bills fabric.
I always feel like if you're far or you're Rogers,
you're a packer, but you're sort of living in a silo.
You know, you're not beholden to an owner, you're not
protected by anonymity in a vast North American city where
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you can hide. I remember years ago talking to a
basketball player. He's a really nice guy, Damon stottamar And
he played in Portland for years. He was in one
of the great high school basketball players in the history
of the Pacific Northwest. And he played in Portland, and
he said, you know, I actually loved playing in Toronto.
And I'm like, really, it's like, you know, three or
four thousand miles away. He goes, I could hide. He goes,
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I can't hide in Portland. And so I think Green
Bay is that times ten. I think it does change
you when you are not just romanticized or appreciated, you
are worshiped.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Jam Mack with the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
Let's start with cam Ward and the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 8 (14:10):
Colin, I know you're.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Fired up about this team.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I was excited in the off season. Then the schedule
came out. It's not great.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Brian Callahan for now is splitting the first team reps
between cam Ward and Will levis your guy with the
bathroom selfies. Here's Callahan on his quarterback battle.
Speaker 9 (14:29):
They both handled it really well. I've been pleased with
with their demeanor and their approach. Will's done a really
nice job of getting better at things he needed to
get better at. I felt really pretty good about his
off season work and how he's come back. Bless you.
Cam has done a really nice job of integrating himself,
and a lot of that is just knowing knowing the
play call, being able to spit it out in the huddle,
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having the tempo, getting familiar with the with the receivers
and what the words mean and how to call it,
how you snapcount sounds.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
All that stuff has been really well done on his part.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
I think we both would agree cam Ward is going
to be the guy. But I'm just curious, put yourself
in Will Levis's shoes, how do.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You handle this?
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Like, hey man, we just drafted this guy number one.
You've been the guy for two years, but like you
had your chance?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, No, I mean it's I think the organization. I
mean again it was Will Levis had an offensive coach,
a very good offensive line coach.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
He had a weapon or two.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I think Will Levis.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Became what a lot of people that watched him in
the SEC He became what a lot of people predicted
he would become, which is his judgment was dicey. He
threw really bad picks. He often didn't see the field
particularly well.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
He looks the part.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You know, he's strong, he's athletic, he's got a big arm,
he's cut, but he became I mean his college tape
of Will Levis, he became Will Levis sec, which was
weird plays, bad judgment, not seeing clear defenders in the
path of a throw. And I was not a huge fan,
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I said, I if I recall, I did not really
see him as a first round quarterback.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I just thought I saw him.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I saw him make way too many really bad throws.
And if you're doing that in college, you're probably gonna
do that more in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
That being said, right, we talked about Geno Smith earlier.
I mean, there's a world where Will Levis is Geno
Smith in five years. He could easily turn this around.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
The guy's got some talent.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
He's got a big arm.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't give me that look. Remember
Mark Sanchez talk to him. He's got some stories about
early Geno Smith. That guy was not locked in at all.
He was a train wreck with the Jets. He's now
turned it around. Baker Mayfield, some of these guys second
third stop Sam Darnold, and you know, I think what
second round in the draft. So I'm not crushing Will
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Levitt here. He's got a shot, just not in Tennessee.
Next up, let's go to another quarterback situation.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
The Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
Shadour and Dylan Gabriel are battling for their roles on.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
The depth start.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Sedur says there's no bad blood between the two, adding
I like how we handle situations, especially just the negative
media that's coming his way. Shador also says that he
and Gabriel are for sure learning from each other during
the offseason program. And just to remind you, Kenny Thickett
is currently the leader in the clubhouse. Joe flackol kind
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of a veteran guy there.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I don't buy Kenny Pickets the leader in the clubhouse.
I don't buy it.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Who's starting week one?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Joe Flacco starts Shador sanders within a month to five
week Go look at Cleveland's schedule. If our guys put
it up, they're gonna have there's I already told you
if you look at their schedule, let's give them. Let's
give them. I don't think that's gonna happen. Let's give
them the win over Cincinnati at home. Although I don't
see it.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
You think they're winning that opener against Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
The line's going to be three and a half. It's
not that big of a shock somebody. By the way,
the last eight years just been a shocking Week one,
you know, and the Bengals Lion Scotti, so they lose
to Baltimore, Green Bay Detroit. I think at that point
Jimmy Haslam, the owner, wants him to start Week five
at home against Minnesota home game, Shador. This is my theory.
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The coaching staff will win the argument. They'll start Flaco.
Flaco will beat Minnesota, lose to Pittsburgh, and then Shadur
is going to get the start around that Miami New
England by space.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
I Brian Floores defense. I think that would be dangerous
for Shadur. He ain't starting against the jetson Week ten.
Gonna get slaughtered on the road. Ravens, I don't see it.
I'm not sure Colin. Anyways, we got to get to
the best story of the day. Okay, So you and
I both love this Lebron stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well, guess what.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
David Fulk, who hardcore sports fans known with the agent
from Michael Jordan, one of the most famous NBA agents
of all time. He recently was on a panel and
he was asked, Hey, man. Obviously you have Michael Jordan.
One is Lebron your number two of all time? David
Fuck Michael Jordan's agent said, Hey, I really like Lebron,
But I think if Jordan had cheery picked what teams
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he wanted to be on and two other superstars, he
would have won fifteen championships.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
All right, Well, so you're saying if Michael would have
been mobile, So here's the problem. If Michael would have
been mobile, does he get Phil Jackson.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
As he gets gott E pivot?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
You know?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Lost?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
There's two things about Michael Jordan and he certainly I
think the three players that have an argument is the
best ever are Michael, Lebron and Kareem put him in
any order you want. Those are the three two things
that are lost about Michael Jordan. It's as if they disappeared.
Number one is after winning the title as a freshman,
the next two years of college basketball, he didn't win
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in college because he didn't have James Worthy. The other
thing that's lost is go find me all his playoff
series wins without Pippin yep, good luck and again when
he lost James Worthy in college, no titles, when he
lost when he didn't have Pippin in the.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
NBA nothing, no title.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Yeah, So Coline one hundred percent agree with you this
whole Lebron Jordan debate. It's fun. Man. The Michael Jordan's
snowflake fans out there are so sensitive. Anything you say
just gets destroyed. People come after you crazily. Colin, I
just want to continue to point out to everybody wherever
Lebron has gone, Cleveland, La, Miami, he wins, and you'll say, well, Jay,
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he gets great teammates.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
You can look it up.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
Lebron did it all, leading the team in rebounds, leading
the team in points, leading an assist.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
All Jordan did was score.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
He was a great defender.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
But Scotty Pippen is the guy who was leading the
team in steels and blocks, doing the real dirty work.
And again I'm not denigrating Jordan. I think he's a
clear number to Lebron's.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
But like, come on, I would slow down that mobility
necessarily is always the answer. I've talked about this in
my life. I've bounced around to six seven different cities.
But the downside is my kids weren't raised in one
cul de sac and have lifelong friends on that that's
the downside to it. The downside to mobility is that
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sometimes you have to deal with multiple owners, and we
know that sports by and large has as many bad
owners as good owners. So I mean the Lakers owners,
actually the Bus family are some of the poorest owners.
Dan Snyder was not Dan Gilbert. I didn't think it
was one of the great owners. Mickey Errison and Miami was.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
So.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yes, Lebron has won titles on multiple teams because of mobility,
but Michael also had the advantage he played in a
city where you know, people like to play. Chicago. Jerry
Krause say what you Want was a very good GM.
Scottie Pippens arguably the best Robin ever. Phil Jackson's the
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greatest coach ever. So Jerry Krause kept reinventing and refortifying
this Tony Kuk coach. The Bulls went and got Tony
Cook coach. At the time, he was the best European
player in the league.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Yeah, they had a stack team. Remember when they when
Jordan came back from baseball and they lost to the
Orlando Magic. Michael Jordan was like, go get me. You
know this guy, I need guys and like he he
got to kind of hand pick his free agents. I
just want to remind people it's not like Lebron started
the super teams. Remember he took the cab to the
Finals when he was twenty two. Collins the Celtics, and
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they were the ones who said, gimme Ray Allen, give
me Kevin Garnett, joinforce it.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
With Peers to become a super team.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Lebron created them to then go form his own super team.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Because he always said this, If you gave me Lebron
and Michael and there was ten seconds left in the
game in one shot, I take Michael. He was a
better he was a better offensive play. His mid range
is better than anything I've ever seen. If you gave
me a series, just one series, I'd probably take Michael.
If you gave me an entire playoff run, because Lebron
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elevates every teammate he's ever had. I think I take Lebron.
If you give me a season, I would take Lebron.
I Lebron, you're talking of possession. If you're talking of possession,
it is Michael all day long. I mean, I don't
trust Lebron. It's a free throw line. Still Lebron's jumper.
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He loses confidence in that until the last couple of years.
If you're talking a possession, it ain't close.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
But the problem is you're saying, like last couple of years,
Lebron's still playing. Michael Jordan quit the NBA twice he left,
he bailed.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
But you can't still at the top of.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
The textualize nutrition's better, training is better. The whole world's different.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
People ate steak and potatoes, played cards and drank wine.
In the eighties, that's the reality people's life expectancy. It
was the Western classic diet where steak was considered a
help food and a baked potato and a glass of
wine was considered healthy eating. So I'm never gonna blame
I'm Michael for that. I think it comes down to
I always said Lebron's a much more athletic version of
(24:11):
Magic and Michael is a stronger, better defender than Kobe.
That's their comps. They're just different guys in different eras.
Jmck with the news, Well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News. Yeah, if you're
telling me, in the history of basketball, there's two players
(24:32):
I would take if I have fifteen seconds left, Kareem
on the skyhook and Michael on the midrange. Yeah, that
those two, I may take Larry Bird third. That's not
Lebron's strength. Lebron's strength is over time. He elevates everybody.
He is in such incredible shape and so strong he
wears you down over time. But if you're talking, get
(24:53):
me a bucket now, there's probably eight guys, twelve guys
I put, including Kevin Durant in front of Lebron James
Kids to hurt.
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Speaker 1 (26:23):
So the tush push it's official, narrowly squeaked by and
it will remain for another year. I'm surprised they've changed
the kickoffs. The horse collar tackling Cam Chancellor jumping over
to block field goals. If there's a sense in the
NFL there's a little unnecessary danger, usually they ban it.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It should be noted that the Rules Committee and the
Health committees like they both encourage the league to ban
the tush push. There are two biggest committees, the Rules
Committee and the Health and Safety Committee both said nod
get rid of it, and the owners listen to Jason
(27:09):
Kelsey his spirited conviction for it.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
That's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
He didn't speak, and I you know, Jason's a very
respected guy in the league, and the Kelsey's are you know,
they are the NFL right now, right along with the
great quarterbacks in the league. I think that probably pushed
a couple of you know, no votes to approval votes.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
That's my guess.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Here's Chris Sims earlier on the owners not banning the play.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
They all took the side of like, man, it seems
a little odd to take the play that the best
team in football has been known for the last three years.
We're gonna take that away from him because we can't
stop it. The play itself. If you want to even
talk about the danger of it or the beauty of
it is the wedge created by the biggest offensive line
we've seen in football since the Cowboys of the nineties.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
For everybody else. For two reasons, Jalen Hurts squat six
hundred pounds. I don't think any other quarterback does. I guess,
but I don't think they do. And so he is
so small compact and strong. He is just a hard guy.
Like Josh Allen or Justin Herbert or bigger quarterbacks you
can go up high on them. Hurts a small compact
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and incredibly forceful with his six hundred pound squatting resume,
So that's part of I work. Secondly, it's the biggest
offensive line in the league. I mean, the only other
team that has an offensive line that's the equivalent or
close is the Detroit Lions. And Goff's a tall, gangly
guy that I assure you does not squat six hundred pounds.
So it just works for them. And Dion Dawkins from
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our show recently, he stands mostly with a toush push.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
It's very hard thing to do, but it's so weird
because we play a game of inches, right, Like what's
the best player to get inch? Thesh It's hard to
take it out or it's hard to change it because
it's so.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Necessary in the game.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's how many third and ones?
The NFL is largely about moving the chains, move the sticks,
keeps your defense off the field. You know, you own
the clock. I mean, it's it's just get first downs.
And Philadelphia does that at an accelerated rate. They've done
this play more than everybody else. So yeah, again, the
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reason I didn't think it would pass, and without Jason Kelsey,
I'm not sure if it does, is anything that looks
a little dangerous or there's any data that shows it's dangerous. Now,
there's no data that shows the tush push is getting
guys hurt. But I don't think there was any data
showing that Cam Chancellor jumping over line the block kicks.
I don't think that was that was ruled as sort
(29:52):
of unfair. Well, you know, Cam Chancer.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Can do it.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Maybe everybody else doesn't have a Cam Chancellor. It looks
a little little risky. Where was the data? So you know,
I listen, when you get into politic it could be
the Senate, it could be Congress. If you get a
spirited debate or a spirited speaker with great conviction, and
they're trying to sell you something. That's why a million
(30:17):
people on the internet are selling you how to have
great abs or how to get rich. Is if you know,
if you there are just people out there, you get
them in front of a mic, you get them in
front of people. It's performative and they can sell their
belief system. It could be Tony Robbins, it could be
Jason Kelcey on the Toush push, and I think it
probably swayed a handful of voters, So I'm fine with it.
(30:38):
I'm surprised j Mack, where you weigh Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
I'm pro Toush push. I'm looking at the votes of
how this broke down, and it's interesting because you know,
the Eagles coach came out and was like, yes, Shane
Steichen is a head coach because of the Toosh push,
and Shane Steikeen is not backing the Toush push. I
don't know if you noticed that. So I think it
was twenty they were off by two votes. My guess
is this will be the last year of the toist bush.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
If I had the guess, I mean they've been they've
been talking about the kickoff for years. They finally changed that.
This is a rule of This is a league of change. Yes,
it's it's I mean they change the catch rule during
An Eagle's Patriots Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
It is a league of change. Always been fluid. We'll
see tomorrow
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
He's a best selling author multiple times, Jeff proman New
York Times best selling offer. He's got the digital series
Press Fox Chronicles on YouTube. I thought it was interesting
today because there's a there's an untold documentary on Netflix
on Brett Farv, and he wrote a book years ago, Gunslinger,
The Remarkable, Improbable, Iconic Life of Brett Favre, which which
(00:48):
I thought I'd said this at the time. When I
read it, I thought, I thought Brett Farv wasn't very
nice to Aaron Rodgers, wasn't very helpful. It made me
like Aaron Rodgers, regardless of what I think today. But
it's fascinating book. So I'm watching the documentary on him,
which is, you know, hero worship for thirteen minutes, then
they go after him. Jeff Pearlman now joining us live
(01:09):
knows Brett Farv knows to Packers knows Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So I you know.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So what we were talking during the break.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I've always had this theory, and I call it the Green.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Bay quarterback theory.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Is that Farv's a Southerner, Aaron Rodgers is a hipster
out west, and they morphed into the same guy. Is
that at the end they got needy, a bit precious,
a little rigid, weird, and yet they're different personalities. But
you have no owner. It's the smallest market. You can't
go to the grocery store. You have to hide in
a golf course. And it does affect you. You become
(01:40):
literally bigger than life, as good as Matt Stafford is,
Stan Kronky.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Runs the show, and Soda is McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
When when Farv started to unravel, Jeff Pearlman, were you
surprised by it or did you see things that made
you wonder?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I actually think you make a really good point, which
is it's this god complex thing that happens when you're
small market quarterback. Like you said, you can't go anywhere.
People will treat you like a god, literally like a god.
You are the king of the landscape. And at some
point it's just unsustainable. Either you get old, you get hurt,
you go somewhere else. Suddenly you're not treated that way.
(02:17):
So you're Brett Favre. Suddenly you're in New York Jet,
you're living in suburban New Jersey, you're part of this franchise.
You don't know, you're by yourself, living in a hotel
every day, and before you know it, you're sending Penis
pictures to an employee of the team. Like I just
think he got so used to being a certain way, deified, glorified.
All of a sudden he's in a new situation and
he doesn't have the maturity or the personal development to
(02:38):
handle it.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
I just think that's the very short story of it all.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, so let's let's let's go to Aaron. Aaron I
thought I've always thought bright. I think he's well read.
I think he's interesting, he's a little iconic classic. I mean,
he's a different cat. He clearly pushes back in authority.
It could be the government, it could be vaccines, it
could be the media. He pushes back in authority. That's
okay him for that, go back for the people that
(03:03):
haven't read the book and your books are fascinating. The
Walter Payton book I think had been lost in because
you've done so much.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That's a fantastic book.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And he's the best running back I've ever seen, probably
by far so during the air and far of stuff.
When I read your book, I had sympathy for Aaron.
I don't think Brett was nice to him. Are you
surprised what he's sort of morphed into? Which is kind
of to a fault. I do my own homework.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Guy, right, So it's interesting. I think I'm sure you've
dealt with these people too. Every now and then in
sports you come across someone who believes from the beginning
that he is the here's here, the smartest people in
the room. I am the smartest person in this room.
Nobody is as intelligent as me. And I feel like
Rogers has had that from a very young age. When
he arrived in Green Bay, he really far was terrible
(03:53):
to him, like terrible. I mean, there are moments suggest
like treating him like absolute crap. There was a humiliating
time for aon Rodgers. It might sound kind of quaint
and hindsight is he takes his helmet one day, he
puts it on a memorabilia table in the locker room.
Everyone's signing Aaron Rodgers' helmet before practice. He's scurrying around,
can't find his helmet. Someone says, that's yours. It's filled
(04:13):
with signatures. He has to go to practice as a
rookie bringing this signature filled helmet, and he's mortified.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
And he's humiliated.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
But I just think over time, especially being in a
small Midwestern town surrounded by the Midwestern quaintness of Green Bay,
I think Aaron Rodgers really started to believe I'm the
smartest guy in the room.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I know everything. I am very intelligent.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
I know more than the coaches, I know more than
my teenmates, I know more than this fan base. And again,
if you can contain that in Green Bay, Wisconsin, it's
one thing you're treated as a guy, but once you
go national, once you go to a different franchise, it
doesn't really play out that well because people just see
you as kind of a duche.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So I got to ask you, you know the Bus family, Well,
you wrote the book on the Lakers Dynasty of the eighties,
a fascinating book which got made into an HBO series,
and it's really it's one of those that you can't
put down. It's I always knew Kobe was difficult. Then
I read the book and I'm like, wow, did Phil
(05:12):
Nutt go after him?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
It was just crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
But you know the Bus family, and I've said this
to a friend about a month ago, I said, Luca's
got a little shack. I'm not sure how commited he
is in the off season. I you know, I'm there
are games he shows up.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Where I think his mind is elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
But he's good for the brand, he's good for merch
He's insanely talented. Knowing how the Bus family eventually made
a decision to move off shack, do you think the
kids have some of those same frustrations with Luca, knowing
that they literally had to call a meeting about his
cardiovascular health after the year.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
So it'd be impossible for me to put myself in
Genie Bus's head.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Obviously, I think.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Numb one.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
They obviously had to make that trade, like you had
to make that trade. You're getting a young superstar in
his prime. The problem is, like you touched upon Luca.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
I don't even understand it. You make all this money
and you're one thing you need to be into shape.
That's it.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
That's the biggest qualification of this job is you need
to be in shape. And the thing about Shaq that's
interesting is when Shaker's with the Lakers, until Kobe really
gained some power and really really started calling out Shack
behind the scenes for his lack of fitness. I don't
think the family was particularly bothered by it because he
Number one, he sold jerseys. Number two, he was charismatic.
(06:32):
Number three, he produced, and I think Luca technically is
the same thing. He does produce. He does sell jerseys,
He is pretty charismatic. I think it's going to get
a really tricky once Lucas shows up a training camp
thirty pounds overweight, once other teammates start calling him out,
once you start hearing the whispers, because in this town
in Los Angeles, whispers traveled very quickly. And if the
(06:54):
Lakers start struggling and you have this star who's supposed
to be great and he's on the injury list yet again,
and he looks gey yet again, I just think, I
don't know what their reaction is going to be emotionally
or mentally. I just know they're going to be trapped
yet again. All these Laker fans who think we've escaped.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
We're awesome. We have Luca. It's a little bit of
fool's goal. Potentially.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
You're a New Yorker. Where did you grow up in
New York?
Speaker 6 (07:19):
I grew up in a tiny town called Mayhopak, New York.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Okay. Is that outside of the city, about.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
An hour north right outside of New York to the
hour north of the city.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So I when I worked at the other place, I
always claimed it wasn't a Yankee town or a Giants town.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
It's a Knicks town.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Is that everybody loved the Knicks baseball and football opinions.
And so when I watch Madison Square Garden and I've
said this on the air, I'm sorry, that's the best
basketball city in the country.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
It looks different, it feels donald.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So you tell you've been the Madison Square Garden plenty
of times. Kind of a spiritual revelation for all New Yorkers.
What are you going through? Is a true New Yorker
right now?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Well, the funny thing is, first of all, I just
want to say I grew up I was the one
kid in my school who was a New Jersey Nets fan.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
So I was a big Hey, give it coming a break, man.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
I was a big Pearl Washington, Buck Williams, you know,
Michael corn fan, but the Knicks owned. You are one
hundred percent correct the Knicks, or the universal love of
New York and the Rangers to a slightly listed degree.
And when it's pumping, when the Garden is pumping, when
the team is playing well, there is nowhere like it.
(08:32):
Madison Square Garden, who's always maintained its electricity, the air
of excitement, the buzz, when you had Patrick Ewing going,
when you had you know, you know, Latrell Spreewell going.
There's something about it that feels visceral and fierce. It's
just something different. You don't get it going a Laker
game or a Clipper game. You just it's something different,
(08:54):
and it's an advantage the Knicks half that you're not
going to get if you're the Pacers or potentially in
the finals, if you go to Oaklhodma City.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
It's just something really.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Raw, and it's kind of like this when you meet
a New Yorker and they're like, yo, you got to
go to this place and get a slice, and that
guy sucks and blah blah blah, that's Madison Square Garden.
It takes everything about New York and puts it in
one building.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
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Speaker 1 (09:22):
I don't know if you prepared for this, but I've
been joking that if I don't get invited to the
Belichick Belichick Jordan Hudson wedding, I'll be bitter because I'm
the only American media member supporting the relationship. And I
had this discussion last night. I said, Okay, if she
was thirty six, would you be okay with it? If
he was sixty four, would you be okay? I said
In the end, I'm not judging people's relationships as long
(09:43):
as both people are here for it. Do I think
there's a little bit of her as a wilful young
woman seeing opportunities?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Do I think Bill understanding she's his social stockbroker on
the internet and she's a beautiful young lady. They're both
getting something out of it. I it doesn't bother me,
but I feel like I'm on a total island. Jeff Pearlman,
what do you make of Jordan huns and Bill Belichick?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
All Right, so, I have a twenty two year old daughter,
and if she came home one day and said, Dad,
I wanted you to meet my new boyfriend he's sixty
five years old or sixty seven years old.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
I think I'd be a little troubled by this one.
I don't they.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Can do what they want, They're can sending adults. I
think it's a little weird. I think her role is
definitely weird. I'm sure North Carolina is secretly freaking out
and thinking we didn't really I don't think we knew
what we signed up for with this one. I think
that's the big issue here, is like the sense of
control that she seems to have over his affairs. If
it was my daughter's boyfriend, I'd be freaked out. I
(10:47):
would not be happy as a spectator. People can do
what they want.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay, yeah, no, I've said that before too. I wouldn't
personally like it, but I do feel like, in a
weird way, they both are using each other for what
it appears they want, and I don't like to be
the moralist.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's not who I am.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
All Right, before we go, you have been writing a
book for a year, and you do six seven, eight
hundred interviews. It's I don't know how you do it.
It goes on sale in October on Tupac's Core. Only
God can judge me the many lives of Tupac Shakur,
Give me one revelation in the book, because you obviously
had some sense of his music, of his iconic history,
(11:29):
give me one revelation in the book that it was
a jaw dropping moment for you.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Oh, I would say the biggest one is Tupac Shakur.
Everyone knows his ashes were sent off the Pacific in
a ceremony in Maui, but Tupac's mother, Fenny Shakur, actually
saved it and he's buried. I'm not going to say where,
but he is actually buried beneath the gravesite in a
field in the most out of nowhere you would never
(11:55):
think place ever with a tombstone and a headstone. And
so Tupac shakor whoe everythings was this cremated was actually
actually has a burial site that I actually went to
and stood at.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
So that was kind of my So.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
So is it in California?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
It is not in California. It is in the South.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Wow, you just you just started something not everybody's gonna
go crazy.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, I'm a Northwest kid. Jimmy Hendrix is buried up there. Okay,
all right, Jeff Pearlman. The book comes out in October
on Tupac. Only God can judge me. The Many Lives.
Good scene again, Jeff, and good luck on the book.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
All right, thank you so much. Take care.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, the far the Green Bay situation with Farv and Rogers,
it is just different. I mean, Matt Stafford think about this,
Think how great Matt Stafford is. And Stan Kronkey and
Sean McVay basically said, hey, here's the number, right, like,
here's the number. I mean, Holmes has done team friendly deals.
(13:02):
Josh Allen is certainly just part of the Bills fabric.
I always feel like if you're far or you're Rogers,
you're a packer, but you're sort of living in a silo.
You know, you're not beholden to an owner, you're not
protected by anonymity in a vast North American city where
(13:23):
you can hide. I remember years ago talking to a
basketball player. He's a really nice guy, Damon stottamar And
he played in Portland for years. He was in one
of the great high school basketball players in the history
of the Pacific Northwest. And he played in Portland, and
he said, you know, I actually loved playing in Toronto.
And I'm like, really, it's like, you know, three or
four thousand miles away. He goes, I could hide. He goes,
(13:45):
I can't hide in Portland. And so I think Green
Bay is that times ten. I think it does change
you when you are not just romanticized or appreciated, you
are worshiped.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Jam Mack with the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
Let's start with cam Ward and the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 8 (14:10):
Colin, I know you're.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Fired up about this team.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I was excited in the off season. Then the schedule
came out. It's not great.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Brian Callahan for now is splitting the first team reps
between cam Ward and Will levis your guy with the
bathroom selfies. Here's Callahan on his quarterback battle.
Speaker 9 (14:29):
They both handled it really well. I've been pleased with
with their demeanor and their approach. Will's done a really
nice job of getting better at things he needed to
get better at. I felt really pretty good about his
off season work and how he's come back. Bless you.
Cam has done a really nice job of integrating himself,
and a lot of that is just knowing knowing the
play call, being able to spit it out in the huddle,
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having the tempo, getting familiar with the with the receivers
and what the words mean and how to call it,
how you snapcount sounds.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
All that stuff has been really well done on his part.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
I think we both would agree cam Ward is going
to be the guy. But I'm just curious, put yourself
in Will Levis's shoes, how do.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You handle this?
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Like, hey man, we just drafted this guy number one.
You've been the guy for two years, but like you
had your chance?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, No, I mean it's I think the organization. I
mean again it was Will Levis had an offensive coach,
a very good offensive line coach.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
He had a weapon or two.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I think Will Levis.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Became what a lot of people that watched him in
the SEC He became what a lot of people predicted
he would become, which is his judgment was dicey. He
threw really bad picks. He often didn't see the field
particularly well.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
He looks the part.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You know, he's strong, he's athletic, he's got a big arm,
he's cut, but he became I mean his college tape
of Will Levis, he became Will Levis sec, which was
weird plays, bad judgment, not seeing clear defenders in the
path of a throw. And I was not a huge fan,
(16:07):
I said, I if I recall, I did not really
see him as a first round quarterback.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I just thought I saw him.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I saw him make way too many really bad throws.
And if you're doing that in college, you're probably gonna
do that more in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
That being said, right, we talked about Geno Smith earlier.
I mean, there's a world where Will Levis is Geno
Smith in five years. He could easily turn this around.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
The guy's got some talent.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
He's got a big arm.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't give me that look. Remember
Mark Sanchez talk to him. He's got some stories about
early Geno Smith. That guy was not locked in at all.
He was a train wreck with the Jets. He's now
turned it around. Baker Mayfield, some of these guys second
third stop Sam Darnold, and you know, I think what
second round in the draft. So I'm not crushing Will
(16:51):
Levitt here. He's got a shot, just not in Tennessee.
Next up, let's go to another quarterback situation.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
The Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
Shadour and Dylan Gabriel are battling for their roles on.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
The depth start.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Sedur says there's no bad blood between the two, adding
I like how we handle situations, especially just the negative
media that's coming his way. Shador also says that he
and Gabriel are for sure learning from each other during
the offseason program. And just to remind you, Kenny Thickett
is currently the leader in the clubhouse. Joe flackol kind
(17:23):
of a veteran guy there.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I don't buy Kenny Pickets the leader in the clubhouse.
I don't buy it.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Who's starting week one?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Joe Flacco starts Shador sanders within a month to five
week Go look at Cleveland's schedule. If our guys put
it up, they're gonna have there's I already told you
if you look at their schedule, let's give them. Let's
give them. I don't think that's gonna happen. Let's give
them the win over Cincinnati at home. Although I don't
see it.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
You think they're winning that opener against Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
The line's going to be three and a half. It's
not that big of a shock somebody. By the way,
the last eight years just been a shocking Week one,
you know, and the Bengals Lion Scotti, so they lose
to Baltimore, Green Bay Detroit. I think at that point
Jimmy Haslam, the owner, wants him to start Week five
at home against Minnesota home game, Shador. This is my theory.
(18:15):
The coaching staff will win the argument. They'll start Flaco.
Flaco will beat Minnesota, lose to Pittsburgh, and then Shadur
is going to get the start around that Miami New
England by space.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
I Brian Floores defense. I think that would be dangerous
for Shadur. He ain't starting against the jetson Week ten.
Gonna get slaughtered on the road. Ravens, I don't see it.
I'm not sure Colin. Anyways, we got to get to
the best story of the day. Okay, So you and
I both love this Lebron stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well, guess what.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
David Fulk, who hardcore sports fans known with the agent
from Michael Jordan, one of the most famous NBA agents
of all time. He recently was on a panel and
he was asked, Hey, man. Obviously you have Michael Jordan.
One is Lebron your number two of all time? David
Fuck Michael Jordan's agent said, Hey, I really like Lebron,
But I think if Jordan had cheery picked what teams
(19:13):
he wanted to be on and two other superstars, he
would have won fifteen championships.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
All right, Well, so you're saying if Michael would have
been mobile, So here's the problem. If Michael would have
been mobile, does he get Phil Jackson.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
As he gets gott E pivot?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
You know?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Lost?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
There's two things about Michael Jordan and he certainly I
think the three players that have an argument is the
best ever are Michael, Lebron and Kareem put him in
any order you want. Those are the three two things
that are lost about Michael Jordan. It's as if they disappeared.
Number one is after winning the title as a freshman,
the next two years of college basketball, he didn't win
(19:58):
in college because he didn't have James Worthy. The other
thing that's lost is go find me all his playoff
series wins without Pippin yep, good luck and again when
he lost James Worthy in college, no titles, when he
lost when he didn't have Pippin in the.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
NBA nothing, no title.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Yeah, So Coline one hundred percent agree with you this
whole Lebron Jordan debate. It's fun. Man. The Michael Jordan's
snowflake fans out there are so sensitive. Anything you say
just gets destroyed. People come after you crazily. Colin, I
just want to continue to point out to everybody wherever
Lebron has gone, Cleveland, La, Miami, he wins, and you'll say, well, Jay,
(20:40):
he gets great teammates.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
You can look it up.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
Lebron did it all, leading the team in rebounds, leading
the team in points, leading an assist.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
All Jordan did was score.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
He was a great defender.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
But Scotty Pippen is the guy who was leading the
team in steels and blocks, doing the real dirty work.
And again I'm not denigrating Jordan. I think he's a
clear number to Lebron's.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
But like, come on, I would slow down that mobility
necessarily is always the answer. I've talked about this in
my life. I've bounced around to six seven different cities.
But the downside is my kids weren't raised in one
cul de sac and have lifelong friends on that that's
the downside to it. The downside to mobility is that
(21:25):
sometimes you have to deal with multiple owners, and we
know that sports by and large has as many bad
owners as good owners. So I mean the Lakers owners,
actually the Bus family are some of the poorest owners.
Dan Snyder was not Dan Gilbert. I didn't think it
was one of the great owners. Mickey Errison and Miami was.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
So.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yes, Lebron has won titles on multiple teams because of mobility,
but Michael also had the advantage he played in a
city where you know, people like to play. Chicago. Jerry
Krause say what you Want was a very good GM.
Scottie Pippens arguably the best Robin ever. Phil Jackson's the
(22:05):
greatest coach ever. So Jerry Krause kept reinventing and refortifying
this Tony Kuk coach. The Bulls went and got Tony
Cook coach. At the time, he was the best European
player in the league.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Yeah, they had a stack team. Remember when they when
Jordan came back from baseball and they lost to the
Orlando Magic. Michael Jordan was like, go get me. You
know this guy, I need guys and like he he
got to kind of hand pick his free agents. I
just want to remind people it's not like Lebron started
the super teams. Remember he took the cab to the
Finals when he was twenty two. Collins the Celtics, and
(22:36):
they were the ones who said, gimme Ray Allen, give
me Kevin Garnett, joinforce it.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
With Peers to become a super team.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Lebron created them to then go form his own super team.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Because he always said this, If you gave me Lebron
and Michael and there was ten seconds left in the
game in one shot, I take Michael. He was a
better he was a better offensive play. His mid range
is better than anything I've ever seen. If you gave
me a series, just one series, I'd probably take Michael.
If you gave me an entire playoff run, because Lebron
(23:10):
elevates every teammate he's ever had. I think I take Lebron.
If you give me a season, I would take Lebron.
I Lebron, you're talking of possession. If you're talking of possession,
it is Michael all day long. I mean, I don't
trust Lebron. It's a free throw line. Still Lebron's jumper.
(23:30):
He loses confidence in that until the last couple of years.
If you're talking a possession, it ain't close.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
But the problem is you're saying, like last couple of years,
Lebron's still playing. Michael Jordan quit the NBA twice he left,
he bailed.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
But you can't still at the top of.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
The textualize nutrition's better, training is better. The whole world's different.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
People ate steak and potatoes, played cards and drank wine.
In the eighties, that's the reality people's life expectancy. It
was the Western classic diet where steak was considered a
help food and a baked potato and a glass of
wine was considered healthy eating. So I'm never gonna blame
I'm Michael for that. I think it comes down to
I always said Lebron's a much more athletic version of
(24:11):
Magic and Michael is a stronger, better defender than Kobe.
That's their comps. They're just different guys in different eras.
Jmck with the news, Well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News. Yeah, if you're
telling me, in the history of basketball, there's two players
(24:32):
I would take if I have fifteen seconds left, Kareem
on the skyhook and Michael on the midrange. Yeah, that
those two, I may take Larry Bird third. That's not
Lebron's strength. Lebron's strength is over time. He elevates everybody.
He is in such incredible shape and so strong he
wears you down over time. But if you're talking, get
(24:53):
me a bucket now, there's probably eight guys, twelve guys
I put, including Kevin Durant in front of Lebron James
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Speaker 1 (26:23):
So the tush push it's official, narrowly squeaked by and
it will remain for another year. I'm surprised they've changed
the kickoffs. The horse collar tackling Cam Chancellor jumping over
to block field goals. If there's a sense in the
NFL there's a little unnecessary danger, usually they ban it.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It should be noted that the Rules Committee and the
Health committees like they both encourage the league to ban
the tush push. There are two biggest committees, the Rules
Committee and the Health and Safety Committee both said nod
get rid of it, and the owners listen to Jason
(27:09):
Kelsey his spirited conviction for it.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
That's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
He didn't speak, and I you know, Jason's a very
respected guy in the league, and the Kelsey's are you know,
they are the NFL right now, right along with the
great quarterbacks in the league. I think that probably pushed
a couple of you know, no votes to approval votes.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
That's my guess.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Here's Chris Sims earlier on the owners not banning the play.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
They all took the side of like, man, it seems
a little odd to take the play that the best
team in football has been known for the last three years.
We're gonna take that away from him because we can't
stop it. The play itself. If you want to even
talk about the danger of it or the beauty of
it is the wedge created by the biggest offensive line
we've seen in football since the Cowboys of the nineties.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
For everybody else. For two reasons, Jalen Hurts squat six
hundred pounds. I don't think any other quarterback does. I guess,
but I don't think they do. And so he is
so small compact and strong. He is just a hard guy.
Like Josh Allen or Justin Herbert or bigger quarterbacks you
can go up high on them. Hurts a small compact
(28:22):
and incredibly forceful with his six hundred pound squatting resume,
So that's part of I work. Secondly, it's the biggest
offensive line in the league. I mean, the only other
team that has an offensive line that's the equivalent or
close is the Detroit Lions. And Goff's a tall, gangly
guy that I assure you does not squat six hundred pounds.
So it just works for them. And Dion Dawkins from
(28:44):
our show recently, he stands mostly with a toush push.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
It's very hard thing to do, but it's so weird
because we play a game of inches, right, Like what's
the best player to get inch? Thesh It's hard to
take it out or it's hard to change it because
it's so.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Necessary in the game.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's how many third and ones?
The NFL is largely about moving the chains, move the sticks,
keeps your defense off the field. You know, you own
the clock. I mean, it's it's just get first downs.
And Philadelphia does that at an accelerated rate. They've done
this play more than everybody else. So yeah, again, the
(29:32):
reason I didn't think it would pass, and without Jason Kelsey,
I'm not sure if it does, is anything that looks
a little dangerous or there's any data that shows it's dangerous. Now,
there's no data that shows the tush push is getting
guys hurt. But I don't think there was any data
showing that Cam Chancellor jumping over line the block kicks.
I don't think that was that was ruled as sort
(29:52):
of unfair. Well, you know, Cam Chancer.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Can do it.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Maybe everybody else doesn't have a Cam Chancellor. It looks
a little little risky. Where was the data? So you know,
I listen, when you get into politic it could be
the Senate, it could be Congress. If you get a
spirited debate or a spirited speaker with great conviction, and
they're trying to sell you something. That's why a million
(30:17):
people on the internet are selling you how to have
great abs or how to get rich. Is if you know,
if you there are just people out there, you get
them in front of a mic, you get them in
front of people. It's performative and they can sell their
belief system. It could be Tony Robbins, it could be
Jason Kelcey on the Toush push, and I think it
probably swayed a handful of voters, So I'm fine with it.
(30:38):
I'm surprised j Mack, where you weigh Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
I'm pro Toush push. I'm looking at the votes of
how this broke down, and it's interesting because you know,
the Eagles coach came out and was like, yes, Shane
Steichen is a head coach because of the Toosh push,
and Shane Steikeen is not backing the Toush push. I
don't know if you noticed that. So I think it
was twenty they were off by two votes. My guess
is this will be the last year of the toist bush.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
If I had the guess, I mean they've been they've
been talking about the kickoff for years. They finally changed that.
This is a rule of This is a league of change. Yes,
it's it's I mean they change the catch rule during
An Eagle's Patriots Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
It is a league of change. Always been fluid. We'll
see tomorrow
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