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Speaker 4 (01:34):
Now man tonight tonight. This is crucial for the New
York Knicks. Do the Knicks need to win tonight? The
answer is yes, We're gonna talk about last night's game
in SGA.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
But do the Knicks need to win tonight?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
But I'm seeing a lot of people Camino say, can
the Nicks shake what happened?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Game one?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
All right?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I hope so can they get over it? And you're
hoping that's not well, it's gonna be a mental thing.
Is I keep saying?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It's not just the loss, it's a it's how they lost, right,
I say, it's very Mola Ram Indiana Jones, Temple of Doom.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Hearts were ripped out. Golly, you're supposed to say.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Slam came, you know, in the in the sense of
the Pacers and Heliburton ripped the hearts out of the
Knicks fans and the next team. And you saw it
when Brunson was sitting there shocked, total shocked and bewildered
at the press conference, not knowing what just happens. So
it's how they lost. And you have to hope that
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it's not in their head, like subconsciously they're not having
imagery of Halliburton doing the chokes sign and and that
that ridiculous doink shot going in. Is that the most
popular doink? Well there's all time. The clown is some
of the best. The Chicago Bear play off floss where
it was like doink doink off the upright twice teen
(03:04):
Wolf had three doinks making foul shots, and of course
I think the most famous it's arguably a quadruple doink
when Kawhi Leonard hit his shot. But back to the
question at hand, the Knicks have to win. You just
hope it's not a mental thing. It's kind of like,
you know, not to steal your thunder here pun intended
(03:24):
rich thunder, but it's your example of when things go
wrong in the bedroom. Yeah, I mean, we're on Colin
right now. He's the king of analogies. Oh okay, so
give us your best collun stars attract stars. So here's
here's the thought. Have you ever been with a woman
for the first time and I don't know, maybe one
(03:45):
too many old fashions, maybe uh smoked a little bit,
maybe you were nervous.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
That's usually it.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And if you follow it up with I'm sorry, this
usually doesn't happen. And then when you get with that
girl a second time, that first unfortunate fail, oh no,
it's happening again. It might stick in your head. So
my point is, could the Knicks totally forget that dysfunction
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in game one and hope that it doesn't happen again?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Can they?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Fortunately, I've been there one time. You know, you're on
the radio saying yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
But just to really bring your analogy to home, it's
that mental thing you have to get past.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
It happened to me one time once once in my
long career of slaying it. And what happens is if
that thought enters your brain again, even just for a second,
it's all over you. Oh my god, it's happening again,
and you have to take a break and go to
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the bathroom and give yourself a pep talk. And that
began a series of events that lasted like the yips
kick in after that, and I had bedroom yips for
like four months. Rich, it was a nightmare, sorry to hear.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You're hoping, yeah, seriously, So you're hoping that the Knicks
honestly play such a big game that the nightmares and
thoughts of Haliburton making that ridiculous circus shot don't creep
into the back of their minds.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
That's really it. It's the way they lost.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
It's just one game, right, So it would have been
even better if they got blown out in that game.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
They wouldn't have to worry about. It's the fact that
they had that game and the Pacers just went on fire.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
That's the debate in itself. Did the Knicks blow it,
did they really choke? Or do you give all credit
to the Pacers, which Colin did well. As a fan, right,
you will forever second guess these moments and hate them.
I'll give you an analogy as a Mets fan in
the twenty fifteen World Series, they were winning Game one.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
As a Mets fan, you only have a few examples, right,
shut up, A few examples that really matter. So are
you gonna give us a sixty nine or eighty six.
Where are we going? We're going to Gary Carter's perm No.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
In twenty fifteen, when they lost to the Royals in
the World Series Game one.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
The Mets had in control. They were in control the
whole time, and then uncharacteristically, do you remember the Mets
former closer Familia, Yeah, of course he did a quick
pitch and if you remember home run extra innings Mets loose,
you always second guess, like what was he doing?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Like we had Game one, you know, and then when
this series doesn't turn out the way it's supposed to
do for you as a fan, you always go back to, like, oh,
we set the tone the wrong way with Game one.
The garden was hopping, you know, most of we said
it a week ago. This is the most important stuff
that's happened at Madison Square Garden in the twenty first century.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
What's happening there? Billy Joel who I love?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Or the circus with the Andrew Dice Clay And I
mean you got to ask yourself, Oh, when gun th
Gable Williams tame those lions, that was Ringling Brothers frozen
on ice, Like what's been at the Garden of significance.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
We're from the East Coast and there wasn't many reasons
to be excited about the garden growing up. The circus
was in town. That was a big deal.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
The Knicks haven't come this far in a long ass time,
so you just gotta hope it doesn't get in their head.
And they're professionals, yet they're young men and you never
know they're human. And the best example of that is
your boy, speaking of the Mets, Juan Soto. The dudes
in his head. Once you get in your head, no bueno.
And now's not the time. So they got to go
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out there, light it up, hopefully, put the fire rount.
Not let the Pacers do what they did again and
win this one. There's no what ifs, and they have
to they have to win this one. Let me ask
the Jay stew producer of The Gottleep Show. Doug will
be on standby thinking a few do you think that
if they win Game two tonight, all is sort of forgotten?
(07:52):
Do we forget everything that happened Game one? If the
Nick's just.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Even it up tonight, No, no, no, the Game one
will never be forgot. I think that's gonna go down
in sports history. I think it's statistically it's the biggest
choke job in the history of the NBA playoffs, Right,
did you see that that stat were like any team
up nine points with fifty seconds left was like fourteen
hundred and zero going into the nixt game the other night,
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and now it's fourteen hundred and one.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, but it was a pop storm of choke, right,
you can't deny that, and he missed a few key shots,
but you also have to acknowledge that it took five
threes from Nismith six of eight in the fourth, like
they had to light it up to even get there,
and then hit that ridiculous lucky shot.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
We said it on our show, Cavino and rich If
dude perfect said, you know what we're gonna try to do.
We're gonna try to do a trick shot where we
hit the back of the rent and we're gonna have
it bounce about eight feet out of the TV screen
and try to make this ridiculous recreate this Haliburton shot.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think it would take like over ten thousand shots,
maybe one hundred thousand, all right, maybe a few thousand
shots before they actually make it. So how many times
did the ball bounce off the rim like that and
then go over the backboard, It's like, you know, out
of play.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
So yeah, the Knicks definitely blew it. But the Pacers
definitely did everything they could to win it, and they
had some luck on their side. So therefore you're right, Jasu,
super memorable. We'll never forget it. But they have to
win this game, there's no question about it.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Don't you disagree though, that it can't be close tonight,
Like the Knicks have to win by like fifteen. If
it's close in the final couple of minutes, then this
is going to creep in that right, Vegas has five
and a half. I love the Knicks tonight minus five
and a half. I think this is if it can't.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Be less than that, they need to assertively, convincingly win.
Brunson puts up another thirty plus and the Knicks just
you know, try to mentally put game one behind them
and say, all right, now it's the best of five, Indiana,
you have home court.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Now stinks.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
But if it's one one and then just becomes the
best of five, that is a scenario I think New
York fans could stomach. Okay, so more reason to watch tonight,
super pumped about it, and it makes me think of
something the other stephen A said, not stephen A Cavino,
(10:19):
stephen A Smith. I guess what he said in a
good mood, probably said something like the fact of the
matter is, it's just blank.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, sometimes you get subdude stephen A, and he's real sub.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Dude, and then sometimes you get angry Stejnet right.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
True.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
In fact, he was saying that just because you come.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Up clutch a Lah Halliburton, who had a premature, premature celebration,
he really did, but then they end up winning, so
it all works out. Just because you come up clutch
doesn't make you a superstar.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
And the more I think think about it, the more
I actually agree with him. I just think it's part
of the ingredients of what actually make you a superstar.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It's a major ingredient when you say ajor ingredient, but
it doesn't make you a superstar.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Means you came through in a superstar sort of moment.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
But when you say clutch, you know, I think I
think of Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana.
And now all of a sudden, I started listing some
of the greatest athletes of all time. Yeah, you're gonna
get a big shot Bobby or David Freese in the
playoffs or someone that has there most. Kirk Gibson's a
superstar or did he just have a superstar heroic moment?
(11:37):
Superstar moment as Dan Patrick was say, he'd be in
the Hall of Very Good right, So.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Colvina, you could relate to Jim Layritz for like a
season and a half, he was the most clutch player
on Earth.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Jim Layritz. So many of those Yankees came in clutch.
A Scottie Brocious right, was a World Series MVP. But yeah,
Jim Layretz nineteen ninety six, Yankees are down against the Braves,
comes through, it's a superstar. Clutch moment doesn't make him
a superstar. So if a still moment doesn't make a superstar,
(12:10):
then what does You're a big Dodgers guy. I think
of a guy like Key k Hernandez. Yeah, great, good,
really good player.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah clutch though, I feel like he's one of those
guys that come playoff time, You're looking at Keik like
he may out do Mooki and Otani, like he's one
of those guys I'm a superstar, right just makes makes
him great in the clutch.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I would say clutch gen key. K Hernandez has the
clutch gene and Alex Rodriguez did not remember Alex Rodriguez
until that until the nine series was the reputation was
that he never came through in the clutch.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Same thing right now currently with an Aaron Judge right in,
Both Aaron Judge and a Rod you could easily say
are superstars, but they don't have that quality. So because
Stephen A said this fresh off of that heartbreaking win,
it just sounds and comes off like sour grapes. But
he does make a point again, just because you show
up in clutch moments doesn't make you a superstar. That's
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Steven A on Tyrese Halliburton on whether or not he's
a superstar. You know, so we ask you Fox Sports
Radio Nation, Pavino and Rich and for Colin on The Herd.
If a clutch moment doesn't make you a superstar, then
what does What are the other key ingredients that are
needed to make an actual superstar?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
To make you a superstar?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
If we could say, well, Halliburton isn't necessarily one, but uh,
you know Michael Jordan is, Wait, we are judged by
clutch moments, and I know Colin talks a lot about
Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert in the postseason has not been good,
but people continue to believe that he is of that elite.
It's going to click, Something's gonna happen. But Justin Herbert
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last year had one of his worst games in the postseason.
Now what if Herbert was one of those guys that
had a couple postseason opportunities, played lights out but his
team lost. I think you would think a little different
because we judge people on their clutch moments and the
same way greatness. You could say a big part of that,
of the ingredients is how they perform at a clutch spot.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I'll give you a dirty analogy.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
It'd be like saying, yeah, dude, she's got a great
ass and uh nice uh nice boobies. But uh, well
that's two ingredients to make a woman good looking. Right, Yeah,
but you're not that great. I mean you just describe
two key layers here. So what makes someone a superstar?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I think I would have to say consistency and sustainability
all uh big poppy, he did it for years, and
he did it over and over again. It wasn't just
a one time moment, one sort of Haliburton clutch moment,
one sort of David Tyree clutch moment, or a nick
(14:51):
full superstar performance. Right, It's years of over and over again,
sustainability and consistency and clutch moments. It's just one of
those key ingredients that makes someone a superstar. So then
I ask you if Halliburton, in steven A's opinion, isn't
a superstar yet just because he had a clutch moment,
(15:16):
what about SGA, who's fresh off of an MVP, these
young players man and again, he's been around for a minute,
seven seasons in consistency. Is it fair to say a
guy that just got voted MVP, I still feel like,
doesn't get the respect it is perhaps deserves.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It is part of being a superstar playing for a
major market team. Now your choice? Old, Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Is it championships because he's got the MVP? Now is
it performing on a high level on a big stage
like he is right now?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So what do you think about an SGA? Because that
whole team looks dominant right now?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Dominant OKC one eighteen, Timberwolves one oh three, SGA playing
big when it matters. Yet for some reason, if you
take the we call it the Mom test or the
Aunt Sharon Test, a lot of the names on the
Oklahoma City Thunder are not household names.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It's the truth.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Now to hammer this home, SGA, if I were to
ask you name the top selling jerseys since the NBA
All Star Break, top selling jersey since the NBA All
Star Break, who do you thinks on that list? Because
when do you think the league MVP? Yeah, a guy
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that puts up thirty plus like every game and a
guy that could very well win his first NBA title
and MVP in the same season, you would think he'd
be towards the top of that list, especially kids, young
kids by jerseys. Star Player SGA thirty eight points in
the win last night, and I imagine he's top ten.
(17:03):
But Lucas number one right now, that's a great guess.
Luca number one, that's not a great guess. It's just
you know, Star Player went to the Lakers mid season,
so I get that. And of course Stephen Lebron follow
two and three Superstars, Tatum won a championship last year.
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Jo Kich is probably there toward the end, Jo Kisch's
top ten Tatum Did you say Tatum?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I did say Tatum. Jalen Bronson, Oh yeah, Bronson Wemby.
But again, Brunson's got the power of the New York
Knicks behind him. You know, he's got the stats and
the heart to go with is So I think playing
for the Knicks also helps.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Anthony Edwards, John Morant and at number nine SGA. So
he's top ten, but maybe a championship will take him
to that next level.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And it seems like they're cruising so exactly again.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Fox Sports Radio Nation is Cavino and rich Infra Colin
on The Herd. We got Gottlieb on standby, but what
makes you a superstars? And your thoughts on the game
tonight and if if we hang out more. I'm not
sure what Doug's statuses, but we got the idea of
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it has to do with bald athletes. I'll just say
that we'll do that coming up right here, Covin on
rich In for Colin.
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All Right, we were just in for the Great Dan
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Speaker 3 (18:47):
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I do want to wrap up this discussion.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Rich.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I'm so pumped about the game tonight Pacers at Nickson
must win for the Knicks. We saw a big win
last night from OKC. Okay, see what makes you a superstar?
If Stephen A. Smith says, hey, just because he came
in clutch doesn't make you a superstar, then what does
He's right, He's right, one moment doesn't define your career.
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In that case, we'd say Robert or is a superstar
who came in clutch more than that guy. But it
takes more than that, and one more thing aside from
sustainability and consistency and superstar numbers. And I thought of
two things. It's meeting and exceeding the expectations. Right, that's
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part of being a superstar. You got to meet those expectations.
You got to exceed those expectations. And I think marketability
has a lot to do with it too, because you
could have a little bit of each quality. If you
don't have them all, you're not a superstar. No, it's
actually clutch is the one that you might not need
to be a superstar. A lot a ron Allah judge
(20:38):
people who haven't shown up clutched the way some of
these other players have. I wonder if you look at
all the quote superstars. We mentioned people that you have
put in that clutch superstar category. Are there numbers definitely
better in the postseason? Like is Derek Jutor's lifetime postseason
batting average better than his regular season? Is Michael Jordan
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averaging site higher in the playoffs than his regular season averages?
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Is a quarterback? Is it?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Quarterbacks? You know, TD to interception ratio better in the postseason.
I think those are things to factor in because what
happened to Hallenburton again in this clutch moment was not
only clutch and riding off his instincts in that moment,
but it was so there was so much luck involved,
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not to take away from his greatness, and he's a
great player. That bounce was the most ridiculous bounce, most
ridiculous doink?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Is it the best? Is it diverse? Is it the
best doink? Ever? It's uh top top five?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Kawhi like you said, teen wolf, Chicago Bears double doink.
I think Kauhi is still number one. Other doints, but
that is right up there. Chiefs got luck. A couple
of Chiefs got lucky on a couple of field goal
doinks last year. Yeah, no, that's true. You know why though,
and Jay Stu hit it, Jase dou producing shout out
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to our producer Danny g But the number again, eight
seven seven, four thirty four to thirty seven. Sure, the
Knicks have to win tonight. Then it's the best of five.
But that game was so heart wrenching and ripping and
impactful that we'll remember it always. That's a highlight that
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we're probably going to see for the rest of our lives.
The same way we remember the Reggie Miller moment is
the same way, especially young people are going to remember.
Younger people are going to remember this moment. It's a
memorable game.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
And the Knicks have to win, and I agree, win
big to sort of put that behind them and move
forward at least in this series.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Now there's two answers to the bar trivia question. What
Indiana Pacer did the choke symbol? Yeah, the rivalry also
when beating the Knicks. Now it's a two man show,
Reggie and Haliburn. So hey, tonight we'll all be watching,
of course, Knicks Pacers game two. I love the Knicks
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given five and a half, I think this is a,
as you said, a statement game. You gotta win convincingly tonight.
This can't be a oh thank god, we're going to
Game three Tide. This needs to be yo, we're asserting ourselves.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I do love the back and forth though, even here
on our channel of people like Jay Steus saying the
Nicks Blewett, but guys like Colin who were saying, no,
the Pacers just won it.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
That's a that's a fun debate in itself. So think
about it, and we're excited to see what happens tonight.
No another story. This is this is so up our alley.
I mean, listen, we're feeling it for Colin. Colin's got
great hair. He's the silver Fox, this guy. Now I
look at a guy like Colin Cowherd and say, what
a great head of hair. Not everyone's got a great
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head of hair. There's a study out of UCLA. The
study out of UCLA. They're saying breakthrough, breakthrough where Rogaine, Propecia,
all this stuff is gonna be a think of the
past and grown men are all going to be able
to have full heads of hair if they want.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
This coincigns with another viral story that two Pays are
on the rise, Two Pays are coming back Rich. So
you're back in style, Buddy Rich Davis back in style
because the quality of two pays have increased so much
that people are choosing them as an option. But according
to this, you no longer have to You don't have
to fly to Turkey to get in plants. You don't
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have to do the one stop shop Turkey rage of
you're paying six g's to go to an all inclusive
hair transplant.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You just take whatever this is. They it's a molecule story.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
What it does is they're saying they have technology now
where they could just like bring back all those dead
hair follicles. So the question that I wanted to pose
before we make way for Doug, who I think is
all set up he'll be taking over in a few
here filling in for the Herd. My thought is this
in the sports world. Yeah, it's the dumbest question, but
that's how I roll. Okay, what athlete or someone in
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the sports universe do you think you'd want to see
with hair that's gone bolt and you know.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Earlier this morning would look the weirdest.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Early this morning we were chatting about this, filling it
for Dan Patrick. I think if you could beat this answer,
you win the whole NBA on TNT desk. Imagine if
Ernie Kenny show up on and Charles Barkley shows up
with a Jerry Curler some type of the door like
Johnny Swede flat top fade. Right, yeah, if this is
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all possible and there's no weird side effect like shrinkage
or anything weird, Oh no, you're you're It says your
your hair, but you're junk on one. There's always a
given take with these things, right.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
If there was no side effect, who shows up in
the sports world looking the strangest because so many people
are just synonymous with the Baldo Ronald though, like Charles
Barkley or an sv how many middle aged white guys
that shave their head and have beards would be like,
you know what, grow my hair bag. I was just
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seeing some highlights obviously of last night OKC in Minnesota.
Imagine if Commissioner Adam Silver just showed up and he
didn't look like a skinny doctor evil and all of
a sudden, Adam Silver, We'll think about it, Adam big
Papa door. Imagine Adam Silver with like Trevor Lawrence hair.
I mean, it's possible. According to the studies from UCLA. Again,
that's the rumor, that's the story. Rich got this from
(26:22):
TikTok so who knows if it's I'm not buying it.
But if you go on the trends right between o
zempic and this hair product, you're gonna have a bunch
of skinny, skinny, frail guys in the future with beautiful,
glorious hair. So who in the sports world would stand
out the most to you? Let us know eight seven, seven,
(26:45):
forty four, thirty four to thirty seven are better. Yet,
since Doug is here and pass the we'll pass the baton.
We'll give him the contract. You can hit us up
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Speaker 6 (27:12):
I'm here. I'm all good guys.
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Hey, buddy, hey man, have a great Memorial Day weekend.
Any thoughts of what athlete would look ridiculous if they
had hair again?
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Well, I mean Erlacker obviously is the signature guy, right, No,
And when you land in Chicago, you're driving and you
see him there and you're like, wait, what is different
about Brian Urlacker? So yeah, I think I think the
I think the more interesting thing. It's funny you bring
that up is the guy who all of a sudden
goes away and comes back and just lost the wig
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or the weave or whatever. He comes back and he's like,
he just said ef Itt, like I'm bald.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I don't care, dude. I You're right. You know why,
because we do it just pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Like if you think back, we were used to Wade
Bogs with that receding hairline. All of a sudden he
shows up with a pompador and you're like, huh, I
guess all right, Wade Box says hair now, and you
kind of move forward. If it were the opposite, it
might it's a little more striking. Yeah, Doug, we worked
with a guy at ESPN that he apparently this guy
was was losing his hair and he would wear a
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hat all he started wearing a hat like the paperwork
had like, and he wouldn't take it off. And then
months later they finally takes off his hat. Glorious hair,
the hair and his buff up. Hey he did he
must have done something, but didn't want to give the
reveal quite yet. But hey, if this is a real
study out of UCLA, then for all the guys you
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know losing their hair, good good news for you.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Lebron is wishing this would have happened.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
The study.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
The study is there's a scientific breakthrough and they're waiting
for FDA approval, and if they get it, they're saying that,
you know, so many the results are way better than
a roguaine or you know, any of the other like monoxi,
synopsidial or any of those type of things. So hey,
there is hope for men withinning here.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Yeah, these are where we can't cure cancer or the
common cold. But he's losing their hair.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
We're all over.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
We're all over that we got. As a as a
guy who can be folliclely challenged, I respect it. I
respect the game, I respect the hard work. I just yeah,
and the had thing. The Turkey thing is, have you
seen those those tiktoks where there's like a guy who
goes to Turkey and he's on a plane and there's
like fifty.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Guys, fifty dudes with ben and dumped heads. It's real, man, Yeah,
that's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
People are going out there by the droves just to
get their hair done.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
What is it about Turkey?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Like they whatever?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
They they've perfected the art form right, but they also
have become the spot because they offer like an all
inclusive deal for like six is what I've been told.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Obviously, I don't need to go.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
I's that's what fucks about this conversation, conversation with guys
that great hair.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Look from what I've heard though, six and thank you Doug.
Six cheeses will get you an all inclusive trip out
there and they'll do the procedure and you come back.
You went on a little vacation and you come back
with a nice head of hair. Well, listen, Doug, we
will let you takeover. I'm sure a lot of NBA
with Doug. Doug, do you think NIXT tonight it's like
a convincing win is needed or no?
Speaker 6 (30:07):
I mean I I don't. If you look at the Celtics,
they had two of these in a row, that one
up nine with fifty one seconds to go. I just
I don't know how you get up off the floor
with that devastation. But yeah, I mean this is an
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absolute must win tonight. It's a what a crazy set
of circumstances. All right, well, guys, I appreciate you helping out.
You guys had a great Memorial weekend sports all right?
And coming up next? Coming up next in the Herd? Okay,
let's let's go back to last night. Why shake Gildas? Alexander?
Though the MVP kind of hard to root for, I'll
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iHeartRadio app Welcome in. So last night Oklahoma City took
a two game to n lead and stopping. You heard
this before, but Shake Guilden is Alexander dominant, not just
from the two but also from the one. From the
free throw line, what do you make thirteen out of
fifteen free throws? Anthony Edwards the ant man unavailable post game, Obviously,
(32:17):
considering all the hype and the desire to be kind
of the next dude has not yet looked like the
next dude in these last two games. But I think
I think here's the distinction that people need to make.
This is a real thing. So when you go on
social media, you'll get people who will say who are
you know? And and look, full disclosure, I have numerous
(32:41):
friends in the Oklahoma City Thunder organization, and honestly, I
think they do a great job, and I love watching
this team play. But there's there's no there just isn't
a world in which we somehow deny that shake Gildess.
Alexander is a free throw merchant of the highest, highest variety, right,
(33:05):
and he's a good one. And oh yeah, by the way,
he's also taking advantage of how the game is officiated
now as opposed to how it used to be officiated.
And here's what I and but here's the special distinction. Okay,
Like I will see on social media people say Michael
(33:25):
Jordan shot nine more free throws the game, and he
probably did. Remember when Michael Jordan played and they played
the Detroit Pistons and what was called the Jordan rules,
They would pummel him when he go to the basket.
They would intentionally foul him because up until his first
(33:46):
championship run, he didn't trust his teammates. He wouldn't pass
on that penetration. He try and win it on his own.
And and so yeah, he shot a lot of free thows.
Michael Jordan shot a lot ofthos. Michael Jordan got calls.
There's no question the difference in Jordan bird Magic, even
(34:09):
Kobe Okay was what they didn't do was like this
next step. It started with Harden with throwing the head back,
but Shay, will he falls down? I mean in game one,
how many times did he fall down? And it's interesting,
Like you love him, people are like, oh, he keeps
getting fouled. If you hate him, you're like, dude, he fouls.
(34:29):
He falls down more than Joel EMBII, who falls down
a lot. But now he's gotten caught. And he's great
at this, at locking in his arm inside somebody else's
arm who's guarding them so contact is made and then
throwing his hand up in his arm up and his
head back and getting a foul. Like he is a
(34:52):
Picasso at being a foul garnering artist. He's a puck Casso.
He does it better than anybody else. But it's really
hard to sit there and go, like, I love watching
this march to the free throw line, and I understand
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you could sit there again. Go Jordan and Byrd and
all these guys they used to go to the free
throw line. There were more of the spectacular variety plays
because they weren't going free throw line or pivot, pivot, pivot,
mid range pull up really close to he's this is
It's like talking on both sides of your mouth when
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you say he's an amazing, amazing player. James Harden's an
amazing player, an amazing player, and in many ways, James
Harden's a better player in his prime than Shay Gildas
Alexander is because Harden had some of the same foul
drawing abilities, only he was an elite passer and Chase
(35:57):
he's a good passers. Nothing's truly special bottom as a passer,
nothing's really special about its a three point shooter. He's
unbelievable mid range and six feet in. It seems like
he never misses, and then he has the ability to
draw fouls. He's the best of these free throw merchants.
But if you just throw out raw stats and you go, hey,
(36:20):
mj I mean again, the difference would be Michael Jordan
was driving into a lane where there were two guys,
and yeah, sometimes there were phantom calls, no question, But
what he wasn't doing was he wasn't locking up somebody
else's arm driving to the basket and then all of
a sudden releasing the arm and flailing back and falling
(36:40):
down at the second of releasing the basketball in order
to gain a foul. Like that's just he didn't do it.
So I get what the stats look like, but you can't.
You can't fool the hardcore basketball fan and as as likable,
(37:01):
hell as lovable as he is, right like, dude gets
up there, and I don't know what it is about
Oklahoma City guys, but when they win the MVP, they
always just say the right thing. Go back to Russell.
Russell Westbrook was the the you know, the basketball is
my only friend type deal. But but Kevin rant talked
about his mom being the real MVP, and Shay Gills
Alexander talked about his wife. It was beautiful, like, this
(37:23):
is not an indictment on him the person. It's not
really indictment on him the player. It's an indictment on
where we've gotten to. In an effort to make the
game more offense friendly, the offense gets to dictate contact
and all these other things. And now we've gotten to
the place where the offense will intentionally make not just contact,
(37:46):
but grab the defender in an effort to act like
they're being grabbed. And yeah, I don't know how much
you guys watched last night, but there was a point
in the game where, you know, one of the Timboles
players just pushed him, and then when they're drawing back
and forth in the lane, he's like, hey, stop flopping, bro,
(38:09):
stop flopping, you know. And look, the story to Oklahoma
City is they're playing more of a college style defense, right,
really really pressuring the basketball. That's the other thing. Right,
So we're not allowed to get anywhere near Shay Gildess Alexander,
we put our hands anywhere near him, he grabs them
and acts like, which you're allowed to do. We teach
(38:31):
our guys to do that. Hey, so it puts our
hand on you, it's your hand. But you go from
that to the other end where Oklahoma Ce's playing super
physical on the ball defensively, and then what's called a
loaded up defense, just feet and hands and bodies as
much in the paint. So you're playing one on five
or at least one on two more than one on one.
(38:52):
There's just no spacing there like it is against other teams.
It's a better coach defensive team that is daring you
to make get passes and skip passes into drives or
skip passes in the jump shots, and the Timbolves aren't
doing it.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
But the juxtaposition of how the game is officiated at
each end, and again a lot of it is style.
You know, Oklahoma City they do what Rick Patino's teams
have famously done, which is they foul on every play
with the idea that you can't call them all. It's
an unwatchable game if you call a foul on every possession.
(39:30):
So if you have greater depth than everybody else, you
get up in them. One, once you establish contact, they
don't usually call contact fouls. Two, you know if you
do get in a foul trouble, you got the numbers
to withstand a little foul trouble. And three there's the
you know, it's not just style, it's they're playing at
home and the place is getting crazy. But they're also
(39:51):
playing help boring to defense, so even if you go
by the guy that has his hands on you, they're
forced you to make that next pass. But it's it's
really interesting that you're watching Shay and how he plays,
and you know, I was at Game seven. I shared
(40:13):
this on my show. It's Doug Golibin for Collins the
Hurt Fox Sport Tradio, I Heart Radio app. I went
to Game seven between the Nuggets and the Thunder, and
I wasn't the crowd is incredible, right, It's like a
It really is like a college crowd. People ask what
was this so cool about playing at Oklhoma State when
you were there, It's that's what the crowd was like
every night. Unbelievable. But I'm standing in front of some
(40:36):
guy who behind me. Every time yo kids draws the
valley's like free throw march it. You're like, well, I
get it. Jokic does draw fowls and does throw his
hands into people and do all kind of the classic
ways to draw fowls. But you do know that Shay
is like if if there's different rankings or different chess pieces,
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if yokch is the king, then he's the queen. If
Yo Kich is the queen, then he's the king of
free throw merchant Tree. And I don't know if there's
a cottage industry a free throw merchant tree, or if
you need a bachelor's or master's degree, but he's got
a doctorate. But it makes it really, really hard. And
it's also one of those things where the difference between
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now and the Jordan era is HTTV four k and
how good the replays are where you're sitting there going like, yeah,
I don't think he was actually touched and yet he
fell down. You know, look, if the thunder win the title,
it probably doesn't matter. But this does feel like, do
(41:46):
you guys remember when Dwayne Wade and the Dallas Mavericks
beat the excuse me, Dwayne Wade and the Miami Heat
beat the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA Finals And it
was just a constant march to the free throw line
where it almost felt pre determined that the NBA wanted
to make Dwayne Wade a star. I don't think that's
what happened. I think again, it's just adjusting, adjusting the rules,
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and you're sitting there going, hey, the offensive player has
all the benefits of these rules so much so now
that Shay is actually creating the contact, grabbing the other player,
locking up his arm and then making it out is
that that arm is grabbing him. This is you know,
yesterday we talked about the tush push still being allowed.
(42:33):
You know, they've gotten away from guys just throwing back
their head, and now Shay has taken it to another
level where he kind of falls to the side and
it's constantly making faces and noises even when he's not
getting touched. I do wonder what adjustment they can make
in terms of stylistically or rules wise, or emphasis wise
and officiating in the future. It is that widely discussed,
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and I think it's because he's the best at it.
He's the MVP. It's obvious what he's doing. Hey, coming
up next, Lebron's agents talking about him moving. Is there
any chance he changes teams? We'll discuss next in the
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Now man tonight tonight. This is crucial for the New
York Knicks. Do the Knicks need to win tonight? The
answer is yes, We're gonna talk about last night's game
in SGA.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
But do the Knicks need to win tonight?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
But I'm seeing a lot of people Camino say, can
the Nicks shake what happened?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Game one?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
All right?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I hope so can they get over it? And you're
hoping that's not well, it's gonna be a mental thing.
Is I keep saying?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It's not just the loss, it's a it's how they lost, right,
I say, it's very Mola Ram Indiana Jones, Temple of Doom.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Hearts were ripped out. Golly, you're supposed to say.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Slam came, you know, in the in the sense of
the Pacers and Heliburton ripped the hearts out of the
Knicks fans and the next team. And you saw it
when Brunson was sitting there shocked, total shocked and bewildered
at the press conference, not knowing what just happens. So
it's how they lost. And you have to hope that
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it's not in their head, like subconsciously they're not having
imagery of Halliburton doing the chokes sign and and that
that ridiculous doink shot going in. Is that the most
popular doink? Well there's all time. The clown is some
of the best. The Chicago Bear play off floss where
it was like doink doink off the upright twice teen
(03:04):
Wolf had three doinks making foul shots, and of course
I think the most famous it's arguably a quadruple doink
when Kawhi Leonard hit his shot. But back to the
question at hand, the Knicks have to win. You just
hope it's not a mental thing. It's kind of like,
you know, not to steal your thunder here pun intended
(03:24):
rich thunder, but it's your example of when things go
wrong in the bedroom. Yeah, I mean, we're on Colin
right now. He's the king of analogies. Oh okay, so
give us your best collun stars attract stars. So here's
here's the thought. Have you ever been with a woman
for the first time and I don't know, maybe one
(03:45):
too many old fashions, maybe uh smoked a little bit,
maybe you were nervous.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
That's usually it.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And if you follow it up with I'm sorry, this
usually doesn't happen. And then when you get with that
girl a second time, that first unfortunate fail, oh no,
it's happening again. It might stick in your head. So
my point is, could the Knicks totally forget that dysfunction
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in game one and hope that it doesn't happen again?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Can they?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Fortunately, I've been there one time. You know, you're on
the radio saying yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
But just to really bring your analogy to home, it's
that mental thing you have to get past.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
It happened to me one time once once in my
long career of slaying it. And what happens is if
that thought enters your brain again, even just for a second,
it's all over you. Oh my god, it's happening again,
and you have to take a break and go to
(04:48):
the bathroom and give yourself a pep talk. And that
began a series of events that lasted like the yips
kick in after that, and I had bedroom yips for
like four months. Rich, it was a nightmare, sorry to hear.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You're hoping, yeah, seriously, So you're hoping that the Knicks
honestly play such a big game that the nightmares and
thoughts of Haliburton making that ridiculous circus shot don't creep
into the back of their minds.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
That's really it. It's the way they lost.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
It's just one game, right, So it would have been
even better if they got blown out in that game.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
They wouldn't have to worry about. It's the fact that
they had that game and the Pacers just went on fire.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
That's the debate in itself. Did the Knicks blow it,
did they really choke? Or do you give all credit
to the Pacers, which Colin did well. As a fan, right,
you will forever second guess these moments and hate them.
I'll give you an analogy as a Mets fan in
the twenty fifteen World Series, they were winning Game one.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
As a Mets fan, you only have a few examples, right,
shut up, A few examples that really matter. So are
you gonna give us a sixty nine or eighty six.
Where are we going? We're going to Gary Carter's perm No.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
In twenty fifteen, when they lost to the Royals in
the World Series Game one.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
The Mets had in control. They were in control the
whole time, and then uncharacteristically, do you remember the Mets
former closer Familia, Yeah, of course he did a quick
pitch and if you remember home run extra innings Mets loose,
you always second guess, like what was he doing?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Like we had Game one, you know, and then when
this series doesn't turn out the way it's supposed to
do for you as a fan, you always go back to, like, oh,
we set the tone the wrong way with Game one.
The garden was hopping, you know, most of we said
it a week ago. This is the most important stuff
that's happened at Madison Square Garden in the twenty first century.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
What's happening there? Billy Joel who I love?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Or the circus with the Andrew Dice Clay And I
mean you got to ask yourself, Oh, when gun th
Gable Williams tame those lions, that was Ringling Brothers frozen
on ice, Like what's been at the Garden of significance.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
We're from the East Coast and there wasn't many reasons
to be excited about the garden growing up. The circus
was in town. That was a big deal.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
The Knicks haven't come this far in a long ass time,
so you just gotta hope it doesn't get in their head.
And they're professionals, yet they're young men and you never
know they're human. And the best example of that is
your boy, speaking of the Mets, Juan Soto. The dudes
in his head. Once you get in your head, no bueno.
And now's not the time. So they got to go
(07:30):
out there, light it up, hopefully, put the fire rount.
Not let the Pacers do what they did again and
win this one. There's no what ifs, and they have
to they have to win this one. Let me ask
the Jay stew producer of The Gottleep Show. Doug will
be on standby thinking a few do you think that
if they win Game two tonight, all is sort of forgotten?
(07:52):
Do we forget everything that happened Game one? If the
Nick's just.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Even it up tonight, No, no, no, the Game one
will never be forgot. I think that's gonna go down
in sports history. I think it's statistically it's the biggest
choke job in the history of the NBA playoffs, Right,
did you see that that stat were like any team
up nine points with fifty seconds left was like fourteen
hundred and zero going into the nixt game the other night,
(08:19):
and now it's fourteen hundred and one.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, but it was a pop storm of choke, right,
you can't deny that, and he missed a few key shots,
but you also have to acknowledge that it took five
threes from Nismith six of eight in the fourth, like
they had to light it up to even get there,
and then hit that ridiculous lucky shot.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
We said it on our show, Cavino and rich If
dude perfect said, you know what we're gonna try to do.
We're gonna try to do a trick shot where we
hit the back of the rent and we're gonna have
it bounce about eight feet out of the TV screen
and try to make this ridiculous recreate this Haliburton shot.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think it would take like over ten thousand shots,
maybe one hundred thousand, all right, maybe a few thousand
shots before they actually make it. So how many times
did the ball bounce off the rim like that and
then go over the backboard, It's like, you know, out
of play.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
So yeah, the Knicks definitely blew it. But the Pacers
definitely did everything they could to win it, and they
had some luck on their side. So therefore you're right, Jasu,
super memorable. We'll never forget it. But they have to
win this game, there's no question about it.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Don't you disagree though, that it can't be close tonight,
Like the Knicks have to win by like fifteen. If
it's close in the final couple of minutes, then this
is going to creep in that right, Vegas has five
and a half. I love the Knicks tonight minus five
and a half. I think this is if it can't.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Be less than that, they need to assertively, convincingly win.
Brunson puts up another thirty plus and the Knicks just
you know, try to mentally put game one behind them
and say, all right, now it's the best of five, Indiana,
you have home court.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Now stinks.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
But if it's one one and then just becomes the
best of five, that is a scenario I think New
York fans could stomach. Okay, so more reason to watch tonight,
super pumped about it, and it makes me think of
something the other stephen A said, not stephen A Cavino,
(10:19):
stephen A Smith. I guess what he said in a
good mood, probably said something like the fact of the
matter is, it's just blank.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, sometimes you get subdude stephen A, and he's real sub.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Dude, and then sometimes you get angry Stejnet right.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
True.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
In fact, he was saying that just because you come.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Up clutch a Lah Halliburton, who had a premature, premature celebration,
he really did, but then they end up winning, so
it all works out. Just because you come up clutch
doesn't make you a superstar.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
And the more I think think about it, the more
I actually agree with him. I just think it's part
of the ingredients of what actually make you a superstar.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It's a major ingredient when you say ajor ingredient, but
it doesn't make you a superstar.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Means you came through in a superstar sort of moment.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
But when you say clutch, you know, I think I
think of Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana.
And now all of a sudden, I started listing some
of the greatest athletes of all time. Yeah, you're gonna
get a big shot Bobby or David Freese in the
playoffs or someone that has there most. Kirk Gibson's a
superstar or did he just have a superstar heroic moment?
(11:37):
Superstar moment as Dan Patrick was say, he'd be in
the Hall of Very Good right, So.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Colvina, you could relate to Jim Layritz for like a
season and a half, he was the most clutch player
on Earth.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Jim Layritz. So many of those Yankees came in clutch.
A Scottie Brocious right, was a World Series MVP. But yeah,
Jim Layretz nineteen ninety six, Yankees are down against the Braves,
comes through, it's a superstar. Clutch moment doesn't make him
a superstar. So if a still moment doesn't make a superstar,
(12:10):
then what does You're a big Dodgers guy. I think
of a guy like Key k Hernandez. Yeah, great, good,
really good player.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah clutch though, I feel like he's one of those
guys that come playoff time, You're looking at Keik like
he may out do Mooki and Otani, like he's one
of those guys I'm a superstar, right just makes makes
him great in the clutch.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I would say clutch gen key. K Hernandez has the
clutch gene and Alex Rodriguez did not remember Alex Rodriguez
until that until the nine series was the reputation was
that he never came through in the clutch.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Same thing right now currently with an Aaron Judge right in,
Both Aaron Judge and a Rod you could easily say
are superstars, but they don't have that quality. So because
Stephen A said this fresh off of that heartbreaking win,
it just sounds and comes off like sour grapes. But
he does make a point again, just because you show
up in clutch moments doesn't make you a superstar. That's
(13:07):
Steven A on Tyrese Halliburton on whether or not he's
a superstar. You know, so we ask you Fox Sports
Radio Nation, Pavino and Rich and for Colin on The Herd.
If a clutch moment doesn't make you a superstar, then
what does What are the other key ingredients that are
needed to make an actual superstar?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
To make you a superstar?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
If we could say, well, Halliburton isn't necessarily one, but uh,
you know Michael Jordan is, Wait, we are judged by
clutch moments, and I know Colin talks a lot about
Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert in the postseason has not been good,
but people continue to believe that he is of that elite.
It's going to click, Something's gonna happen. But Justin Herbert
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last year had one of his worst games in the postseason.
Now what if Herbert was one of those guys that
had a couple postseason opportunities, played lights out but his
team lost. I think you would think a little different
because we judge people on their clutch moments and the
same way greatness. You could say a big part of that,
of the ingredients is how they perform at a clutch spot.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I'll give you a dirty analogy.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
It'd be like saying, yeah, dude, she's got a great
ass and uh nice uh nice boobies. But uh, well
that's two ingredients to make a woman good looking. Right, Yeah,
but you're not that great. I mean you just describe
two key layers here. So what makes someone a superstar?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I think I would have to say consistency and sustainability
all uh big poppy, he did it for years, and
he did it over and over again. It wasn't just
a one time moment, one sort of Haliburton clutch moment,
one sort of David Tyree clutch moment, or a nick
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full superstar performance. Right, It's years of over and over again,
sustainability and consistency and clutch moments. It's just one of
those key ingredients that makes someone a superstar. So then
I ask you if Halliburton, in steven A's opinion, isn't
a superstar yet just because he had a clutch moment,
(15:16):
what about SGA, who's fresh off of an MVP, these
young players man and again, he's been around for a minute,
seven seasons in consistency. Is it fair to say a
guy that just got voted MVP, I still feel like,
doesn't get the respect it is perhaps deserves.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It is part of being a superstar playing for a
major market team. Now your choice? Old, Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Is it championships because he's got the MVP? Now is
it performing on a high level on a big stage
like he is right now?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So what do you think about an SGA? Because that
whole team looks dominant right now?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Dominant OKC one eighteen, Timberwolves one oh three, SGA playing
big when it matters. Yet for some reason, if you
take the we call it the Mom test or the
Aunt Sharon Test, a lot of the names on the
Oklahoma City Thunder are not household names.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It's the truth.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Now to hammer this home, SGA, if I were to
ask you name the top selling jerseys since the NBA
All Star Break, top selling jersey since the NBA All
Star Break, who do you thinks on that list? Because
when do you think the league MVP? Yeah, a guy
(16:42):
that puts up thirty plus like every game and a
guy that could very well win his first NBA title
and MVP in the same season, you would think he'd
be towards the top of that list, especially kids, young
kids by jerseys. Star Player SGA thirty eight points in
the win last night, and I imagine he's top ten.
(17:03):
But Lucas number one right now, that's a great guess.
Luca number one, that's not a great guess. It's just
you know, Star Player went to the Lakers mid season,
so I get that. And of course Stephen Lebron follow
two and three Superstars, Tatum won a championship last year.
(17:24):
Jo Kich is probably there toward the end, Jo Kisch's
top ten Tatum Did you say Tatum?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I did say Tatum. Jalen Bronson, Oh yeah, Bronson Wemby.
But again, Brunson's got the power of the New York
Knicks behind him. You know, he's got the stats and
the heart to go with is So I think playing
for the Knicks also helps.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Anthony Edwards, John Morant and at number nine SGA. So
he's top ten, but maybe a championship will take him
to that next level.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And it seems like they're cruising so exactly again.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Fox Sports Radio Nation is Cavino and rich Infra Colin
on The Herd. We got Gottlieb on standby, but what
makes you a superstars? And your thoughts on the game
tonight and if if we hang out more. I'm not
sure what Doug's statuses, but we got the idea of
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athletes who are bald. There's there's a ridiculous story and
it has to do with bald athletes. I'll just say
that we'll do that coming up right here, Covin on
rich In for Colin.
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Speaker 4 (18:35):
All Right, we were just in for the Great Dan
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Speaker 3 (18:47):
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Speaker 4 (18:49):
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I do want to wrap up this discussion.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Rich.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I'm so pumped about the game tonight Pacers at Nickson
must win for the Knicks. We saw a big win
last night from OKC. Okay, see what makes you a superstar?
If Stephen A. Smith says, hey, just because he came
in clutch doesn't make you a superstar, then what does
He's right, He's right, one moment doesn't define your career.
(19:57):
In that case, we'd say Robert or is a superstar
who came in clutch more than that guy. But it
takes more than that, and one more thing aside from
sustainability and consistency and superstar numbers. And I thought of
two things. It's meeting and exceeding the expectations. Right, that's
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part of being a superstar. You got to meet those expectations.
You got to exceed those expectations. And I think marketability
has a lot to do with it too, because you
could have a little bit of each quality. If you
don't have them all, you're not a superstar. No, it's
actually clutch is the one that you might not need
to be a superstar. A lot a ron Allah judge
(20:38):
people who haven't shown up clutched the way some of
these other players have. I wonder if you look at
all the quote superstars. We mentioned people that you have
put in that clutch superstar category. Are there numbers definitely
better in the postseason? Like is Derek Jutor's lifetime postseason
batting average better than his regular season? Is Michael Jordan
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averaging site higher in the playoffs than his regular season averages?
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Is a quarterback? Is it?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Quarterbacks? You know, TD to interception ratio better in the postseason.
I think those are things to factor in because what
happened to Hallenburton again in this clutch moment was not
only clutch and riding off his instincts in that moment,
but it was so there was so much luck involved,
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not to take away from his greatness, and he's a
great player. That bounce was the most ridiculous bounce, most
ridiculous doink?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Is it the best? Is it diverse? Is it the
best doink? Ever? It's uh top top five?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Kawhi like you said, teen wolf, Chicago Bears double doink.
I think Kauhi is still number one. Other doints, but
that is right up there. Chiefs got luck. A couple
of Chiefs got lucky on a couple of field goal
doinks last year. Yeah, no, that's true. You know why though,
and Jay Stu hit it, Jase dou producing shout out
(22:01):
to our producer Danny g But the number again, eight
seven seven, four thirty four to thirty seven. Sure, the
Knicks have to win tonight. Then it's the best of five.
But that game was so heart wrenching and ripping and
impactful that we'll remember it always. That's a highlight that
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we're probably going to see for the rest of our lives.
The same way we remember the Reggie Miller moment is
the same way, especially young people are going to remember.
Younger people are going to remember this moment. It's a
memorable game.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
And the Knicks have to win, and I agree, win
big to sort of put that behind them and move
forward at least in this series.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Now there's two answers to the bar trivia question. What
Indiana Pacer did the choke symbol? Yeah, the rivalry also
when beating the Knicks. Now it's a two man show,
Reggie and Haliburn. So hey, tonight we'll all be watching,
of course, Knicks Pacers game two. I love the Knicks
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given five and a half, I think this is a,
as you said, a statement game. You gotta win convincingly tonight.
This can't be a oh thank god, we're going to
Game three Tide. This needs to be yo, we're asserting ourselves.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I do love the back and forth though, even here
on our channel of people like Jay Steus saying the
Nicks Blewett, but guys like Colin who were saying, no,
the Pacers just won it.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
That's a that's a fun debate in itself. So think
about it, and we're excited to see what happens tonight.
No another story. This is this is so up our alley.
I mean, listen, we're feeling it for Colin. Colin's got
great hair. He's the silver Fox, this guy. Now I
look at a guy like Colin Cowherd and say, what
a great head of hair. Not everyone's got a great
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head of hair. There's a study out of UCLA. The
study out of UCLA. They're saying breakthrough, breakthrough where Rogaine, Propecia,
all this stuff is gonna be a think of the
past and grown men are all going to be able
to have full heads of hair if they want.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
This coincigns with another viral story that two Pays are
on the rise, Two Pays are coming back Rich. So
you're back in style, Buddy Rich Davis back in style
because the quality of two pays have increased so much
that people are choosing them as an option. But according
to this, you no longer have to You don't have
to fly to Turkey to get in plants. You don't
(24:24):
have to do the one stop shop Turkey rage of
you're paying six g's to go to an all inclusive
hair transplant.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You just take whatever this is. They it's a molecule story.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
What it does is they're saying they have technology now
where they could just like bring back all those dead
hair follicles. So the question that I wanted to pose
before we make way for Doug, who I think is
all set up he'll be taking over in a few
here filling in for the Herd. My thought is this
in the sports world. Yeah, it's the dumbest question, but
that's how I roll. Okay, what athlete or someone in
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the sports universe do you think you'd want to see
with hair that's gone bolt and you know.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Earlier this morning would look the weirdest.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Early this morning we were chatting about this, filling it
for Dan Patrick. I think if you could beat this answer,
you win the whole NBA on TNT desk. Imagine if
Ernie Kenny show up on and Charles Barkley shows up
with a Jerry Curler some type of the door like
Johnny Swede flat top fade. Right, yeah, if this is
(25:32):
all possible and there's no weird side effect like shrinkage
or anything weird, Oh no, you're you're It says your
your hair, but you're junk on one. There's always a
given take with these things, right.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
If there was no side effect, who shows up in
the sports world looking the strangest because so many people
are just synonymous with the Baldo Ronald though, like Charles
Barkley or an sv how many middle aged white guys
that shave their head and have beards would be like,
you know what, grow my hair bag. I was just
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seeing some highlights obviously of last night OKC in Minnesota.
Imagine if Commissioner Adam Silver just showed up and he
didn't look like a skinny doctor evil and all of
a sudden, Adam Silver, We'll think about it, Adam big
Papa door. Imagine Adam Silver with like Trevor Lawrence hair.
I mean, it's possible. According to the studies from UCLA. Again,
that's the rumor, that's the story. Rich got this from
(26:22):
TikTok so who knows if it's I'm not buying it.
But if you go on the trends right between o
zempic and this hair product, you're gonna have a bunch
of skinny, skinny, frail guys in the future with beautiful,
glorious hair. So who in the sports world would stand
out the most to you? Let us know eight seven, seven,
(26:45):
forty four, thirty four to thirty seven are better. Yet,
since Doug is here and pass the we'll pass the baton.
We'll give him the contract. You can hit us up
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Speaker 3 (27:11):
Y'all, Doug, you there, man.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
I'm here. I'm all good guys.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Hey, buddy, hey man, have a great Memorial Day weekend.
Any thoughts of what athlete would look ridiculous if they
had hair again?
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Well, I mean Erlacker obviously is the signature guy, right, No,
And when you land in Chicago, you're driving and you
see him there and you're like, wait, what is different
about Brian Urlacker? So yeah, I think I think the
I think the more interesting thing. It's funny you bring
that up is the guy who all of a sudden
goes away and comes back and just lost the wig
(27:41):
or the weave or whatever. He comes back and he's like,
he just said ef Itt, like I'm bald.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I don't care, dude. I You're right. You know why,
because we do it just pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Like if you think back, we were used to Wade
Bogs with that receding hairline. All of a sudden he
shows up with a pompador and you're like, huh, I
guess all right, Wade Box says hair now, and you
kind of move forward. If it were the opposite, it
might it's a little more striking. Yeah, Doug, we worked
with a guy at ESPN that he apparently this guy
was was losing his hair and he would wear a
(28:10):
hat all he started wearing a hat like the paperwork
had like, and he wouldn't take it off. And then
months later they finally takes off his hat. Glorious hair,
the hair and his buff up. Hey he did he
must have done something, but didn't want to give the
reveal quite yet. But hey, if this is a real
study out of UCLA, then for all the guys you
(28:30):
know losing their hair, good good news for you.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Lebron is wishing this would have happened.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
The study.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
The study is there's a scientific breakthrough and they're waiting
for FDA approval, and if they get it, they're saying that,
you know, so many the results are way better than
a roguaine or you know, any of the other like monoxi,
synopsidial or any of those type of things. So hey,
there is hope for men withinning here.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Yeah, these are where we can't cure cancer or the
common cold. But he's losing their hair.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
We're all over.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
We're all over that we got. As a as a
guy who can be folliclely challenged, I respect it. I
respect the game, I respect the hard work. I just yeah,
and the had thing. The Turkey thing is, have you
seen those those tiktoks where there's like a guy who
goes to Turkey and he's on a plane and there's
like fifty.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Guys, fifty dudes with ben and dumped heads. It's real, man, Yeah,
that's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
People are going out there by the droves just to
get their hair done.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
What is it about Turkey?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Like they whatever?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
They they've perfected the art form right, but they also
have become the spot because they offer like an all
inclusive deal for like six is what I've been told.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Obviously, I don't need to go.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
I's that's what fucks about this conversation, conversation with guys
that great hair.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Look from what I've heard though, six and thank you Doug.
Six cheeses will get you an all inclusive trip out
there and they'll do the procedure and you come back.
You went on a little vacation and you come back
with a nice head of hair. Well, listen, Doug, we
will let you takeover. I'm sure a lot of NBA
with Doug. Doug, do you think NIXT tonight it's like
a convincing win is needed or no?
Speaker 6 (30:07):
I mean I I don't. If you look at the Celtics,
they had two of these in a row, that one
up nine with fifty one seconds to go. I just
I don't know how you get up off the floor
with that devastation. But yeah, I mean this is an
(30:28):
absolute must win tonight. It's a what a crazy set
of circumstances. All right, well, guys, I appreciate you helping out.
You guys had a great Memorial weekend sports all right?
And coming up next? Coming up next in the Herd? Okay,
let's let's go back to last night. Why shake Gildas? Alexander?
Though the MVP kind of hard to root for, I'll
(30:50):
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Speaker 6 (31:53):
What 've Doug Gottleiben for Collin heard Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app Welcome in. So last night Oklahoma City took
a two game to n lead and stopping. You heard
this before, but Shake Guilden is Alexander dominant, not just
from the two but also from the one. From the
free throw line, what do you make thirteen out of
fifteen free throws? Anthony Edwards the ant man unavailable post game, Obviously,
(32:17):
considering all the hype and the desire to be kind
of the next dude has not yet looked like the
next dude in these last two games. But I think
I think here's the distinction that people need to make.
This is a real thing. So when you go on
social media, you'll get people who will say who are
you know? And and look, full disclosure, I have numerous
(32:41):
friends in the Oklahoma City Thunder organization, and honestly, I
think they do a great job, and I love watching
this team play. But there's there's no there just isn't
a world in which we somehow deny that shake Gildess.
Alexander is a free throw merchant of the highest, highest variety, right,
(33:05):
and he's a good one. And oh yeah, by the way,
he's also taking advantage of how the game is officiated
now as opposed to how it used to be officiated.
And here's what I and but here's the special distinction. Okay,
Like I will see on social media people say Michael
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Jordan shot nine more free throws the game, and he
probably did. Remember when Michael Jordan played and they played
the Detroit Pistons and what was called the Jordan rules,
They would pummel him when he go to the basket.
They would intentionally foul him because up until his first
(33:46):
championship run, he didn't trust his teammates. He wouldn't pass
on that penetration. He try and win it on his own.
And and so yeah, he shot a lot of free thows.
Michael Jordan shot a lot ofthos. Michael Jordan got calls.
There's no question the difference in Jordan bird Magic, even
(34:09):
Kobe Okay was what they didn't do was like this
next step. It started with Harden with throwing the head back,
but Shay, will he falls down? I mean in game one,
how many times did he fall down? And it's interesting,
Like you love him, people are like, oh, he keeps
getting fouled. If you hate him, you're like, dude, he fouls.
(34:29):
He falls down more than Joel EMBII, who falls down
a lot. But now he's gotten caught. And he's great
at this, at locking in his arm inside somebody else's
arm who's guarding them so contact is made and then
throwing his hand up in his arm up and his
head back and getting a foul. Like he is a
(34:52):
Picasso at being a foul garnering artist. He's a puck Casso.
He does it better than anybody else. But it's really
hard to sit there and go, like, I love watching
this march to the free throw line, and I understand
(35:12):
you could sit there again. Go Jordan and Byrd and
all these guys they used to go to the free
throw line. There were more of the spectacular variety plays
because they weren't going free throw line or pivot, pivot, pivot,
mid range pull up really close to he's this is
It's like talking on both sides of your mouth when
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you say he's an amazing, amazing player. James Harden's an
amazing player, an amazing player, and in many ways, James
Harden's a better player in his prime than Shay Gildas
Alexander is because Harden had some of the same foul
drawing abilities, only he was an elite passer and Chase
(35:57):
he's a good passers. Nothing's truly special bottom as a passer,
nothing's really special about its a three point shooter. He's
unbelievable mid range and six feet in. It seems like
he never misses, and then he has the ability to
draw fouls. He's the best of these free throw merchants.
But if you just throw out raw stats and you go, hey,
(36:20):
mj I mean again, the difference would be Michael Jordan
was driving into a lane where there were two guys,
and yeah, sometimes there were phantom calls, no question, But
what he wasn't doing was he wasn't locking up somebody
else's arm driving to the basket and then all of
a sudden releasing the arm and flailing back and falling
(36:40):
down at the second of releasing the basketball in order
to gain a foul. Like that's just he didn't do it.
So I get what the stats look like, but you can't.
You can't fool the hardcore basketball fan and as as likable,
(37:01):
hell as lovable as he is, right like, dude gets
up there, and I don't know what it is about
Oklahoma City guys, but when they win the MVP, they
always just say the right thing. Go back to Russell.
Russell Westbrook was the the you know, the basketball is
my only friend type deal. But but Kevin rant talked
about his mom being the real MVP, and Shay Gills
Alexander talked about his wife. It was beautiful, like, this
(37:23):
is not an indictment on him the person. It's not
really indictment on him the player. It's an indictment on
where we've gotten to. In an effort to make the
game more offense friendly, the offense gets to dictate contact
and all these other things. And now we've gotten to
the place where the offense will intentionally make not just contact,
(37:46):
but grab the defender in an effort to act like
they're being grabbed. And yeah, I don't know how much
you guys watched last night, but there was a point
in the game where, you know, one of the Timboles
players just pushed him, and then when they're drawing back
and forth in the lane, he's like, hey, stop flopping, bro,
(38:09):
stop flopping, you know. And look, the story to Oklahoma
City is they're playing more of a college style defense, right,
really really pressuring the basketball. That's the other thing. Right,
So we're not allowed to get anywhere near Shay Gildess Alexander,
we put our hands anywhere near him, he grabs them
and acts like, which you're allowed to do. We teach
(38:31):
our guys to do that. Hey, so it puts our
hand on you, it's your hand. But you go from
that to the other end where Oklahoma Ce's playing super
physical on the ball defensively, and then what's called a
loaded up defense, just feet and hands and bodies as
much in the paint. So you're playing one on five
or at least one on two more than one on one.
(38:52):
There's just no spacing there like it is against other teams.
It's a better coach defensive team that is daring you
to make get passes and skip passes into drives or
skip passes in the jump shots, and the Timbolves aren't
doing it.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
But the juxtaposition of how the game is officiated at
each end, and again a lot of it is style.
You know, Oklahoma City they do what Rick Patino's teams
have famously done, which is they foul on every play
with the idea that you can't call them all. It's
an unwatchable game if you call a foul on every possession.
(39:30):
So if you have greater depth than everybody else, you
get up in them. One, once you establish contact, they
don't usually call contact fouls. Two, you know if you
do get in a foul trouble, you got the numbers
to withstand a little foul trouble. And three there's the
you know, it's not just style, it's they're playing at
home and the place is getting crazy. But they're also
(39:51):
playing help boring to defense, so even if you go
by the guy that has his hands on you, they're
forced you to make that next pass. But it's it's
really interesting that you're watching Shay and how he plays,
and you know, I was at Game seven. I shared
(40:13):
this on my show. It's Doug Golibin for Collins the
Hurt Fox Sport Tradio, I Heart Radio app. I went
to Game seven between the Nuggets and the Thunder, and
I wasn't the crowd is incredible, right, It's like a
It really is like a college crowd. People ask what
was this so cool about playing at Oklhoma State when
you were there, It's that's what the crowd was like
every night. Unbelievable. But I'm standing in front of some
(40:36):
guy who behind me. Every time yo kids draws the
valley's like free throw march it. You're like, well, I
get it. Jokic does draw fowls and does throw his
hands into people and do all kind of the classic
ways to draw fowls. But you do know that Shay
is like if if there's different rankings or different chess pieces,
(41:00):
if yokch is the king, then he's the queen. If
Yo Kich is the queen, then he's the king of
free throw merchant Tree. And I don't know if there's
a cottage industry a free throw merchant tree, or if
you need a bachelor's or master's degree, but he's got
a doctorate. But it makes it really, really hard. And
it's also one of those things where the difference between
(41:22):
now and the Jordan era is HTTV four k and
how good the replays are where you're sitting there going like, yeah,
I don't think he was actually touched and yet he
fell down. You know, look, if the thunder win the title,
it probably doesn't matter. But this does feel like, do
(41:46):
you guys remember when Dwayne Wade and the Dallas Mavericks
beat the excuse me, Dwayne Wade and the Miami Heat
beat the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA Finals And it
was just a constant march to the free throw line
where it almost felt pre determined that the NBA wanted
to make Dwayne Wade a star. I don't think that's
what happened. I think again, it's just adjusting, adjusting the rules,
(42:09):
and you're sitting there going, hey, the offensive player has
all the benefits of these rules so much so now
that Shay is actually creating the contact, grabbing the other player,
locking up his arm and then making it out is
that that arm is grabbing him. This is you know,
yesterday we talked about the tush push still being allowed.
(42:33):
You know, they've gotten away from guys just throwing back
their head, and now Shay has taken it to another
level where he kind of falls to the side and
it's constantly making faces and noises even when he's not
getting touched. I do wonder what adjustment they can make
in terms of stylistically or rules wise, or emphasis wise
and officiating in the future. It is that widely discussed,
(42:54):
and I think it's because he's the best at it.
He's the MVP. It's obvious what he's doing. Hey, coming
up next, Lebron's agents talking about him moving. Is there
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