May 26, 2025 • 42 mins
Where Colin was Right, Where Colin was Wrong. Aaron Rodgers keeps dropping hints on where he wants to play. Former NFL quarterback Matt Hasselbeck stops by to talk about storylines in the NFL and what happens when older quarterbacks have leverage.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It's the Herd wherever you may be, however you may
be watching your listener. Thanks for making us a part
of your day. J mcmatt Hasselbeck is around the corner.
You've got a story on Caitlin Clark at the bottom
of the hour. Hope you had a great weekend. You
ran into Lebron James, you said, in a volleyball tournament.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Now a youth volleyball tournament. He attracted a big crowd. Hey,
quick question. Let me ask you, and I know you're
not a big social media guy. On weekends, You've got
a bubbly life out there in the Midwest. Do you
put something out about Caitlin Clark during one of her games?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Do you see like a just a tsunami of a reaction.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Everybody seems to have thoughts on Kaitlin Clark is she's
probably more polarizing than any NBA player right now.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I don't get the polarizing. She's good. Yeah, let's
enjoy her. I don't get, like I understand. I do
understand a little bit of the animosity with players. They
you know, it's like when Bryce Harper came in baseball,
nobody paid attention to us. Now you like the flashy
new player and her game is flashy, so I get
some animosity. But I always felt this. I remember when
Manny Ramirez left the Red Sox and he came back
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and people were like, yeah, I don't know if I
like him, and my take his You're the Red Sox.
You could never beat the Yankees. I don't care what
you think of Kurt Shilling or Manny Ramirez. You beat
the Yankees. You won rings with them. Like, if somebody
makes my life better, like, I don't care if it's
your ex wife, If you had fifteen great years, appreciate it.
Those that's a big chapter in your life that was good.
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So Kaitlin Clark's making everybody's life better. You can fly
Spirit Airlines or you can upgrade to private that alone
is a thank you card and gift. I mean to me,
I don't get the polarization. All right, we do it
every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong, and plenty.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Of votes where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, my inclination was when the push push got pushed through,
it was because of Jason Kelsey, the soon to be
Hall of Famer center for the Philadelphia Eagles, who stood
in front of the owners in a suit, got in
a stance and made a declaration that it was safe.
And the stories out today is Jason Kelsey indeed was
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the reason he changed about three to four votes that
it passed. Listen, the Health and Safety Committee of the
NFL wants to get rid of it, so it had
to be an influencer. It had to be somebody with
great conviction to sell it, an owner or a player
or a coach. And the reports are it was as
we speculated. Jason Kelsey was right. PFF came out last
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week ranked quarterbacks, all of them. Dak Prescott was seventeenth,
one spot ahead of two him, and that's exactly right.
I know y'all love him. He's a cowboy and he's rich,
and his intangibles from maturity to focus to leadership. I
agree they're a plus, but as a thrower of the football,
as an athlete, it's CC plus B minus. He is,
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especially after a second major surgery, in the middle of
the pack, and I appreciate pff nailing where Colin was wrong.
The Lakers need to deal Austin Reeves. I don't get
the fascination, but Dan Woike reporting the organization loves him
and the only af to pay him next year fourteen million,
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and they see him as an absolute steal. I see
him as a guy that got worked athletically against Minnesota's
wing players. I see him as a guy that should
be the fourth best player on a championship team. I
think he's a little less talented than Derek White, who
I feel the same way about. If he's your fourth
best player, you should be buying for championships.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
But I'm wrong, apparently where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Insiders now saying Jeremy Fowler reports that Aaron Rodgers many
believe has his eye on Minnesota and that is why
he has n't signed with Pittsburgh. It's not just necessarily
the personal reasons. I don't know it to be true,
but I have speculated he's too smart to think Pittsburgh's
a good fit. Burrow twice a year with better offensive
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teammates and a better offensive coach Lamar Jackson in a
better organization twice a year. Pittsburgh is a bunch of ls,
even with Aaron Rodgers, and I think he knows it
where Colin was right, Zach Eed he made the All
Rookie team. The former produce star, I didn't understand the
pushback on him. Mark Few came on our show and
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said he never faced an offensive college player that unstoppable.
Dan Hurley came on the Herd and said, the NBA
doesn't know what they're talking about. He's going to work
in this league and for Memphis. He made the All
Rookie team. He's a guy that just kept grinding. He
got better sophomore to junior, junior's senior year, and I
think you're gonna see continued improvement. He clearly has an
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excellent work ethic where Colin was raw. The Eagles signed
an extension in Nick Siriani. You know, I don't quite
get the vibe. I think there's a lot of circumstances
like Howie Roseman and Jalen Hurts, and Sae Kwon Barkley
in the old line that elevated him. But you know what,
the players like him. I don't have to get everybody.
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I mean at Philadelphia is a loud, high volume, high
intensity town, and there's an argument he fits the Eagles
more than any other team. So I can take it wrong.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
On that where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh, Jordan Hudson reportedly wearing a new ring and not
wanted Belichick's Super Bowl rings. It could be an engagement
ring since I'm the only American media member that does
appear to approve of this relationship, once again proving I
am not only America's honesty broker, but I'm a hopeless romantic.
I see it working. I think they like each other.
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Relationships can be complicated, but there is a report that
they have a future, that these two are a real thing.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
NBA Western Finals between Minnesota and OKC is a ratings
dud I said, I think the Knicks Pacers is going
to get great numbers and it has. This is not
a needle mover. Sga is not a dynamic player. He's
just a great score. It's a small market and Minnesota
is not a huge basketball brand. So it doesn't surprise
me that this is just not moving the needle. Like
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I think tonight could be the best game of the series.
If Minnesota wins it, I think that helps. If OKC wins,
I think the ratings are just going to be abysmal.
We've had this before. Duncan in the Spurs when they
were running the league. We're not a captivating team was great,
but he was a big fundamental. He wasn't dynamic, he
wasn't a big personality.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It happens where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Kenny Pickett, now viewed as the front runner for the
Cleveland Browns quarterback gime. I don't get it. Just I'm
gonna die on this hill. Shador Sanders is going to
win this job. Pickett's on his third team in four
years in his NFL career, fifteen touchdowns, fourteen picks. I
don't get it. You know, nice kid. I think he's
a backup. I think he loves football. But I said
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it when he came out. He's more of a second
mid third round pick. He didn't pop on TV. He
did have one great college play where he was going
to slide. He faked it, stood ran we all ran
on a thousand times, but I don't see it as
a franchise quarterback. Colin right, Colin wrong on a Monday.
And with that, Matt Hasselbeck, eighteen years in the NFL,
joins US Live. I'll ask you about the Tush push.
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You can tell from the committees the league wants to
get rid of it, and Jeffry Lurie has you know,
the Eagles are a respected franchise and Jason Kelcey obviously,
you know, he's just one of those guys, the grinder.
He's loved by the NFL community. Do you think not
passes for a year? If I said five years tush push,
do you think it's gonna last?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
No, I don't think it's going to last. And I
don't think they want to get rid of it.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I just think they.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Don't know what to do with it. You know, they
really don't. And it's it's I think you said it earlier.
It's a health and safety issue. That's how you move
the needle on these things. There's probably just no data
that shows that this is a play where people get injured.
You know what the NFL doesn't want. They don't want
wasted plays like the extra point when they moved it back,
and they don't want plays that the injury rate goes up,
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you lose star players.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
I thought, actually in the Super Bowl when Chris Jones
went down, I thought, oh, well, if he gets hurt
on this play, then this play has no has no future.
But I just don't think the data is there. And
you know, Jason Kelsey talking to the team, to the
you know, to the competition committee, that's not unusual. I remember,
you know, one time on the extra point they brought
in Adam Vane Terry to talk about that extra point situation.
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They brought in different long snappers that had gotten hurt
on extra point plays, and you know, they brought in
special teams people to talk about the kickoff and the
kickoff return. So it's not unusual. I just think that
some people present their case better than others, and I
would imagine Jason Kelsey was probably pretty persuasive.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So on the Aaron Rodgers thing, when you're I mean,
at some point players get older, like Kirk Cousins, and
you do have leverage because you have two hundred million
dollars in the bank and you don't want to play,
you don't want to play, and Aaron certainly earned it.
He's made a fortune. There's talk about personal stuff. My
take has always been smart people are often too smart
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to try to fool me that they're interested in something
that's not smart. Pittsburgh's a tone deaf offensive culture. Minnesota
is a really good offensive culture. If you were a
quarterback and you maybe have a year or two left
of all all the teams, New Orleans, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, what
would be your process on eliminating and including teams? What
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does matter to an older quarterback?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Well, who likes me back? That's a really important thing. Like, Yeah,
I've been seeing the reports that Aaron Rodgers would prefer Minnesota,
who would not like everyone would great play caller, great
head coach, great skill around you, amazing defense on the
other side of the ball. Yeah, I get it, but
they seem to be already settled on JJ McCarthy as
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their quarterback. So I don't think listen the quarterback free
agency situation when you're at the end of your career,
it's very similar to musical chairs. There's only a certain
amount of chairs. When the music stops. The music stops.
And so I've been saying this for a long time.
I believe I said it on your show, Aaron Rodgers
is gonna be with the Pittsburgh Steelers. All this other
talk about all these other teams, it's not happening. I
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do not see it happening. There's no rush for a
veteran quarterback. I think I said it on your show.
There's no way he's signing before May twenty s. Absolutely
no way you signed before phase phase three. There's no
reason to, especially if you're a guy has experienced his
a rod So I mean, to me, I think that
June ninth time, when they have that mandatory mini camp,
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is like, all right, if it's not you, then we
got to move on as the Steelers. But to me, listen,
is it the best situation out there? No, but it's
it needs to be mutual acceptance. And the music's about
to stop soon here, and he's gonna have to sit
down or get out.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
So I forget how you feel about brock Purty. I
like him, but I do feel much like a Dak
Prescott or Atua. He needs an offensive coach. He's got
to have some weaponry. His contract, now that it's all
been laid out, is not as punitive as initially thought.
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But my take is older teams get hurt more often
and it takes longer to recover. So if you tell
me Trent William spraindon e in week two, I'd be like,
this isn't going to be good. Whereas a you know,
a guy like An Allan, a Lamar, a Burrow, it's
more able to overcome that stuff. When you looked at
the brock pretty numbers, knowing this is a pretty old
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team at running back, at linebacker, at left tackle, at
tight end, are you good with it?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Well, a couple of things. As a quarterback who played
on the old CBA, I see all of these quarterback
numbers and I'm like, what you know? I feel like
I was born at the wrong time, Like that's the
first thing. But you like Brockberty. I love Brockberty. I
put myself in the category of Kyle Shanahan John Lynch.
I think he's an absolute baller. I think he's one
of the most underrated quarterbacks in the in the entire game.
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I think he does things that quarterbacks don't get credit for,
things that don't show up on your passer rating. I
think he's a really good player. I also think that
this is kind of a team friendly deal. He didn't
handcuff them to the level that I believe that he
could have, So I think I think this is a
dangerous team. I think this is a team last year
that had a terrible season. I think they could be
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a playoff team next year. I hear what you're saying
about age and losing some other good players, but I
think this is still a team that I believe in and.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
For a good part.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Yeah, he's a quarterback that needs a great coach and
a great system. Great what quarterback doesn't want that? So
put me on, put me down as a team that
believes in this quarterback. I like the signing and I
think this is a good team to watch this year.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Okay, I want to ask you about I said, it's
a head coach quarterback league. Very few players, even a TJ. Watt,
are not worth a point. That's just the way the
league is. You get the right coach and you get
the right quarterback, you're gonna win sixty five to seventy
five percent of your games. You're gonna win your division.
That's why the AFC is so much easier to protect
than the NFC. Because you have more great quarterbacks. So
I said, there are four people of all the additions
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in the NFL that I think change outcomes, And my
take was they were so bad quarterback at Tennessee. I
think cam Ward will change outcomes. I think Vrabel takes
over for a coach that was probably a coordinator elevated
to a spot that was a little much that early.
I think Geno Smith is one of those guys nobody
wants to admit. You give him time to throw in
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a run game. He's pretty good. And I do think
Ben Johnson this would be my most controversial based on
Cayleb Williams and your belief in him. Would you push
back on any of these specifically? Uh?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I mean, I kind of agree with cam Ward. He
gives you something. I just don't know if anybody's gonna care.
It's kind of amazing to me. The lack of attention
some teams get Tennessee, Jacksonville. Some of those teams I
feel like they deserve more. Mike Vrabel I liked that
a lot. I don't think I would pin it just
on Gino though. I think for me, I think what's
special about that's it? And I like Gino. I really
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like Geno a lot. I really think that Pete Carroll,
Chip Kelly, you know this weird Tom Brady involvement. I
think that's probably the top edition for me. And you know,
we got Ashton Gent, we got most dirt. Like I
think that really is going to be a team effort there.
I don't know that I would put Geno as the
face of it, even though I think I agree with you.
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Ben Johnson's interesting to me. I think he's going to
be hired much like much like Sean McVay was. He
was hired. Sean McVay was hired to see if he
could fix golf and Gurley, you know the La Rams.
I think there were Saint Louis to LA you know,
Todd Gurley, Jared Goff. Who's the right coach for those
two guys. Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he
can turn Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential,
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who realizes his potential. Last year, he just looked like
a guy that was kind of massaging the ball in
the pocket and then tried to, like, you know, be
an athlete and outrun people. It would look like a
college quarterback trying to play in the NFL. I think
Ben Johnson's going to be the guy that either can
or can't get Caleb to to realize that potential. And
Ben Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is I think
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a one year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove
that he is or isn't who he kind of thought
he was before he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Finally, you see the position of quarterback differently than us
because you played it, your experience, you can coach it.
If you look at Burrow, Andrew Luck, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes,
almost all the great quarterbacks, they're not slow builds. In
September of the first year, Burrow was throwing for three
hundred and twenty five yards with an atrocious O line
and a coach we didn't know. So generally, if you
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have it, we see it pretty quickly, especially for first
round quarterbacks. Jayden Daniels was like twenty eight of thirty
one in back to back weeks or thereabouts. How long
because I think the weapons and the old line are
pretty good. Now, how long will you give Caleb before
you say warning, I'm not It can't just be wins
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because you can win games in this league and not
play well. What will you look for with Caleb based
on what you've seen and how long will you give
him to be come a hit.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
I would have patience with him. I think he's got
enough talent and enough upside to have patience with him.
I don't think it's a quick I don't think you
know right away. I mean Troy Aikman started out really
poorly his rookie year, Like they didn't do well Peyton Manning,
you know, I think he might have led the league
in interceptions. Eli Manning get bench for Kurt Warner, Like
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there's all these stories of young quarterbacks. He doesn't start
out well. Quarterback is such a team game. You need
the people around you to play well. When you go
to the team that has the first pick in the draft,
they're usually not a great team. Now, in Caleb situation,
I believe they've built it really well around him, especially
this year, and they blamed everybody else in the building
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besides him, and so now I just think the spotlight's
going to be on him. I would have patience, But
at the same time, I don't know if Chicago Willy.
I think they open up against Brian Flores's defense. That's
a beast of a defense with all their all out pressure,
their simulated pressure. I wouldn't wish that for any young quarterback.
But at the end of the year, I think a
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decision will be made on him one way or the other.
And it's just fair to say, if you watch the film,
he's off to a very very slow start.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Matt Hasselback on a Monday, Happy Memorial Day to you
and your family.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Appreciate it, Bud, you too, see you can.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
All right, Matt Hasselback. Oha was good on the show today,
Jay Mac you were smirking, so you were looking at
something with great intensity as I was talking there. What's
going on?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Well, you know, like there's this huge discussion around Aaron
Rodgers happening with the Steelers, and it's weird. The Steelers
fan base seems a little torn, like do we want
him or do we not? And I just wonder, you know,
you never know when your stuff's going to cut through.
I got to give you a shout out for your
USC Notre Dame. That seemed kooky when you floated it
was it last year and now it's coming true. But
your idea of hey, you know what let's not add Rogers.
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Let's go Mason Rudolph and Will Howard and see how
that works. I wonder if Steelers fans here in the
coming week just gonna say, I don't want the Rogers drama,
the nonsense.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
There's just always something.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well, the baseball team's terrible, the hockey team's not making
the playoffs. They don't have NBA University of Pittsburgh's math.
So the Steelers are like, there's football season and waiting
for football season in Pittsburgh. And so I think it's
hard when and you go into these psych I can
remember there being years that Willie Stargell and the Pirates
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were winning the World Series and the Steelers were great.
I mean it goes in cycles. Right now, Pittsburgh, they've
only been great when they've had a great quarterback. And
they're right now. Remember what we said last year the
Cowboys had the worst running back room in the league.
We were right. We said it's it's Dak needs help.
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The Steelers have the worst quarterback room. I wouldn't be
surprised if you know the Kirk Cousins thing. I guess,
but that just feels like you're just plugging a hole.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Here.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
It's a little whack a mole offensively. I think your
play is go with the young guys, keep the culture strong.
You're not gonna win a bunch of games, and then
go big game hunting next year, and you may have
to part with a TJ. Watt to go from like
the eighth spot to the second spot and get the
kid out of Penn State.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
By the way, remember how Belichick was not really wanted
by any teams.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
They were like, hey, he's too old to rigid once.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I wonder if we're really close to that point with
Aaron Rodgers and we're just like, it's the Steelers are
nothing like sorry, the Vikings don't want to, the Niners
don't want like are.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
We there yet?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Where it's just like no, thanks on Aaron Rodgers. That
ship is saled.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
We will never know until Aaron speaks it into truth
because Aaron, you know, he wants to be mysterious. So
my take is if he wanted to sign, he would.
Hasselbeck says, it's May twenty seventh, son, I don't. My
take's always been if he goes to Pittsburgh, I think
they win one more game than they are now. I mean,
I think that's what he's become, an old pocket quarterback
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who looked cold in outdoor, windy cold games. He looked
old and cold is what he looked like. All right.
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Speaker 4 (21:14):
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Speaker 1 (21:25):
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Speaker 4 (21:37):
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Speaker 3 (21:44):
News boy, Colin, you seized it.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Earlier in the hour, we got some bummer news about
Caitlin Clarks is going to be out at.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Least two weeks. According to the Indie NA Fever.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
They announced their star player has a left quad strain.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Kind of unclear when she.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Strained it in the game Saturday, but two weeks I
means she's gonna miss some pivotal games the league is
gonna be I'm sure the league office right now is
just devastated because there's two huge national TV games that
she's likely to miss.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
She's averaging nineteen nine and six.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
The Fever are only two and two column but both
losses are by a combined three points. I don't care
what anybody says. They're a title contender in this league.
And she's expected to miss two games against Washington, nobody
really cares about that.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But there's a game against Chicago and Angel rees on CBS.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I believe it's in two weeks that she's expected to
miss and if hopefully she's back for a game against
New York another national TV game on.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, so we have no video of when she actually
got hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
No, because she played to the end of the game
and I don't know if maybe it was reac it was.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Just like injured during the game. She played through it.
But two weeks out.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
That listen, man, that's a bummer. There's no way to
slice it.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I have such a conspiracy for theory on this, but
I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Tell no float it come up. What he's saving about?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But come on, because of because of all the combustibility
of the Angel Reese Caitlin Clark rivalry and the league
trying to bring the temperature down, they know they can't
do this just for the Chicago game, so they said,
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let's cool it down. Let's have her. Let's have Indiana
League saying let's let's bring the temperature down a little bit,
have her miss a couple of games pre Chicago. Of
course this is not true, because you couldn't go to
a team and say please, don't play your superstar boy.
But I I my first thought that that the tinfoil
had I quickly pulled it off. I do not believe
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this is true, but I get I do get to
at least acknowledge that it entered the brainosphere, like for
one second, and then I quickly grabbed a tinfoil and
I threw it all So people think you're we don't
have a fun video of it, and she missed. She's
gonna be there's three games when she plays the whole
gamer's no video.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Probably more looping, but it's weird.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
People call you a silver fox, but it's not really
silver hat that you're wearing. They just need to look closer.
But that's not a terrible theory. And you're right, the
temperature is elevated.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I was telling Martin here, they're coming after angel rees
like the internet is just out on her. It feels
a little aggressive at this point, but we'll save that
for another day. Next up, Colin A, it's a Monday,
we got to talk about Aaron Rodgers again. He seems
delusional right now thinking that he's gonna wait out the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Here's why.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Vikings owner Mark Wilf won on a radio show talking
about second year quarterback JJ McCarthy's leadership.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Take a listener.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
He has a gravitational pull as a leader, he really does.
I think the way the players support him, I think it's.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Of course, the talents is there.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Coach O'Connell is glowing in his praises of how he's
handled everything today, and from an off the field perspective,
we couldn't be happier. So all things pointing the right direction,
and we're going to be supporting jjada having to be
the success we want him to be.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna pushback on that. What does that even mean?
That sounds amazing. Well, he's got gravitational pull. He's never
played an NFL game, he doesn't have any poll. You
gonna win games, by the way, you gotta win games
in this league. People are telling me, oh, this this
Spencer Rattler for New Orleans. He's owing six. He's never
won a game. I don't care how much everybody likes
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in the room. I don't care about your leadership qualities.
Gonna win games in this league, nobody cares. This is
not baseball, where it's stats driven, or basketball, where it's
sort of like aesthetic driven. If you got style, if
you got a game, people love you. NFL is about
Double U. Really, I don't believe he's it. He's gravitational poll.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Wait, so you're becoming quarterback wins guy? Is that your
summer thing. You're gonna be like, hey, win, Well, I
guess Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You're out on him.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Can't win playoff games?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
No, I didn't say that. He wins seventy seven percent
of his games. You don't have to win. If Dan
Marina had pull his whole career talent plus double US
and winning the if you win the division. A lot
of guys get paid on quarterbacks that win division. Coaches
get paid when they win divisions. You don't have to
win rings to get paid in this sleep.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I gotta give Will props for gravitational pull.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
That's a Star Wars reference, obviously, the Death Star, and
I'm a huge Star Wars guy. I'm watching and or
right now, Colin, Hey, that's another show you got to
get into. And or I know you're in the Star
Wars Spear moment. You like that stuff, right?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
No, don't.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
By the way, were you ad mission impossible this weekend
or no, I'm saying I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I'm gonna see it when I get back from bak.
I'm busy.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Okay, you're busy.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I'm busy.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Find a final story. This is in your wheelhouse. I'll
stand down once again now.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Bill Belichick's girlfriend Jordan Hudson was seen at an airport
in North Carolina with reportedly a ring on her left
ring finger.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
This comes on the heels.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
What looks like a nice getaway on the water over
the weekend. Oh dear, Jordan posted old Bay with my
old Bay.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
On her ig. I am gonna just zip it a
lot of time out in my pocket. Take it away,
big boy.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Oh my god, old Bay with my old Bay that.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I did not call for this just for the reson.
This is producers damn this one because they know you
love it. I'm out on this story. Calin. It's dangerous,
and I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I don't think it's that dangerous. I think it's okay
for people to be attracted to one another for various reasons.
Not everybody it looks like, you know, a supermodel. You
can be attracted to people for a lot of reasons.
A woman could be attracted to a man who's got
his act together and is respectful and is thoughtful as
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a good listener, and a woman could a man could
be attracted to somebody visually attracted and sense of humor.
The age thing is what attracts people is nobody can
decipher it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Wait, so the aide thing, it's not I mean, I mean,
I do see a lot of seventy three year old
women with twenty four year old guys.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
That happens a lot very often.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Right, So I'm just gonna, you know, look up all
those on the internet.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I think there's zero in the last like thousand years.
But you know, I digress. There's nothing to see here.
It's summer love, as they say.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Right, Yeah, I just I'm not going to get into
the game of trying to say why she's attracted to Belichick.
Bill's not a Battlican guy, he's very successful. Whatever, that's
not my space, Like, whatever, why does Anne think I'm attractable?
That one's obvious, but for most people it's not as obvious.
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So it's a holiday. Let's let's wrap our arms around
young love.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
By the way, I know you like to think you're
a man of the people, but I'm actually out and
about with the regular people. And this is the second
most popular question I get in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
What do you make of this Belichick twenty four year
old things?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Oh, I know, people they're into it, they're.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Obsessed with and you know, it's all guys asking I
wonder why that is coming.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well, I think it's I think it's gonna last forever.
It's gonna be like meet the Press of relationships. It's
gonna be it's gonna last forever. Gun smoke. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, it's it's you know, it's sports is a crazy
I you know, the funny thing about sports. And I've
said this for years. This has always been like my
default line. I'm not a moralist. I'm not a moral
There are so many moralists on the radio that do
talk radio, and you can go find those people. I'm
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not a moralist. People do what they do. There's open relationships,
there are power dynamics that are odd in relationships. You
do you what you're attracted do is none of my
business and so if it works, go for it now.
There aren't a lot of seventy four year old women
attracted to twenty six year old men. That is true,
(30:03):
but again, the genders are different, you know, we do
different things, we see the world differently. It's The Herd.
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Speaker 1 (30:39):
So I saw a clip this morning. Rich Paul was
on Rich Eisen Show talking about there's a lot of
rumors that Lebron's moving all the cards for the Lakers.
He pulled the JJ Reddick card, and he knew about
the Luca move. Although you know a d some have
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speculated thinks Lebron knew about the Luca move. Before the
Luca move, there's the Westbrook trade, which Rich Paul has
said Lebron had no idea about that. But here's Rich
Paul on Lebron's current influence with the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
Clearly, he don't run the team because there's things that
transpired that he didn't even.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Know about, so like the Luca Traders. But you're saying, yeah,
so how is he?
Speaker 6 (31:27):
How is he?
Speaker 7 (31:28):
How is he running the team? There's one thing to
have power and influence. And there are guys who earn
the right for some decisions to be you know, rampast
you or or so for some teams to to say, hey.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
What do you think about this?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Or yeah that's earn.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, I think that's true. I have a very strong
belief owner should own GM, soir GM co you should coach,
players should play. Now, there are occasional players who have
a good sense of personnel, but athletes, an athlete's prism
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is selfish. To be an athlete, you have to be selfish.
You give up stuff, right, and the athlete's prism is
what's good for me and what's good today. And a
general manager obviously has to have a more comprehensive view.
That's why, even as smart as as Lebron is in
terms of basketball, every team Lebron leaves is a shipwreck. Why,
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because you build the team for the moment and the
minute he leaves, you don't have any depth, you don't
have draft picks. So it's all about winning now in
his prime. I'm for that. I remember in Miami, I
think there was a basketball player I forget it was
a Yukon player or something. There was some guard that
Lebron liked, that had a really good Final four or
a really good tournament, and Lebron reportedly liked him, and
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he didn't do anything in the NBA. This is like
the minute owners start medling Jerry Jones, it goes sideways.
The minute gms start putting pressure on their coach or
their quarterback, it goes sideways. One of the reasons Green
Bay has worked for all these years in the NFL
is that Murphy runs the operations. Gooden coach running personnel.
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Their coach is an offensive guy runs the team, and
you get into problems when passive aggressive Brett or passive
aggressive Erran want to be like a little bit of
coach and personnel got That's when the problems happened. Early
Far didn't Early Errand anytime Green Bay has struggled, it
has been a quarterback that wants to usurp certain power dynamics,
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and I just don't think it works. You know, you
can go and be you know, conciliatory. Hey, listen, what
do you think? Listen the way we really care about
your opinion. But I think I don't give you an example.
Belichick's brilliant coach the minute Belichick took over personnel. The
last seven drafts in New England were awful. I've said this.
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I had a phone call was driving home two days ago.
I had a phone call with a GM in the NFL,
and I said, the San Francisco forty nine Ers draft
has Kyle Shanahan's fingerprints all over it, and this GM agreed.
I said, I loved their first pick, and then it
looked like a bunch of picks that could help Kyle Shanahan. Now.
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That was not a John Lynch draft. That Kyle has
too much power. I felt Denver this year was Sean Payton.
I didn't love Denver's draft. I thought there were a
couple of reaches that felt like this will help Sean now,
and I love Sean. I think the best draft was Seattle.
Why because McDonald has no power, Therefore it was a
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John Snyder draft. The coach doesn't have any power yet
and it was a strict by the way, what other
coach doesn't have power? Todd Bowles Tampa look at their
last couple of drafts really strong. So I it's not
one of these shut up and dribble things like I
think you should Lebron in his prime or Brading his prime?
(35:18):
What do you make of this guy? But I think
it's better to ask Lebron in his prime? What do
you think of this current teammate? Not how do you
project this kid from Kansas who's an off guard? How
does he know he's watching the NBA? But I do
think you can go to a Lebron or a Mahomes
and say, hey man, how is this guy in the room?
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Do you trust him on routes? Is he a worker?
Do the guy is like him? I think that's when
you go to a star. How does this guy plan
in the room? Tell me if you know. And that's
why most great coaches in every sport will have like
a council, like a player's council. Players have player only meetings.
That's the value of the star. Give me the temperature
of the room, keep it private who's not working. But
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I think asking a pro athlete to project hell, that's
hard enough for general managers to project who's going to
be in the pros. You don't have any idea now,
Rich Paul did say and Lebron in his prime, you know,
when his ceiling was unlimited, it's it's different. But right
now Lebron is a lease, not a buye. He's a lead.
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He's not even a lease to own. He's just a lease.
It is very hard to plan your future around a
player that doesn't know his future. So there's there's I
think you Lebron's is squeezing every last ounce out of
his career. But at this point I'm not I'm not
terribly interested in like his plans going forward. You want
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to make sure when he bolts, when he jettisen's the
team and that could be, you know, after this year.
He's more in the plan with his son's mode. He's
more in the business mode, which I'm here for. He's
earned it, but I'm not asking him for big opinions
on personnel. Earlier today, I said, I think it was
Bleacher report came out and they listed a player on
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every team that is the most dangerous new addition. It
could be free agency, it could be the draft. I
think it's a coach quarterback league. I think there's four
people that will change losses to wins. Cam Ward quarterback
for the Titans, Mike vrabel Gino Smith quarterback play was
so bad last year. And by the way, if you
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notice what I'm saying here, all of these people, whether
it's cam Ward, Mike frabel Gino, Smith, Ben Johnson, what
do they have in common. They are replacing somebody, either
coach or quarterback who is bottom of the league. So
competency to slightly above competency will change outcomes in these
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four players or coaches. Cam Ward, Mike rabel Gino, Smith,
Ben Johnson. Bett Hasselbeck joined us earlier. I think you've
got to put a pretty quick timetable on Caleb Williams.
I think generally, if a quarterback has a smart offensive coach,
Tua got Mike McDaniel, Goff got Sean McVeigh. You saw
it in three weeks. But Hasselbeck's taking a bit more
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of a practical approach.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he can turn
Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential. Who
realizes his potential. Last year he just looked like a
guy that was kind of massaging the ball in the
pocket and then tried to, like, you know, be an
athlete and outrun people. It would look like a college
quarterback trying to play in the NFL. I think Ben
Johnson's going to be the guy that either can or
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can't get Caleb to to realize that potential. And Ben
Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is I think a
one year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove that
he is or isn't who he kind of thought he
was before he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So we do this where we Jmac, you and I
make predictions. They're called future bets, and we usually try
to be optimistic. We take teams that we think will
be noticeably better than they're over under. Last year I
took Washington. Denver got it right, year before Rams got
it right, year before Vikings got it right. I've said
I think New England is my better than people think team.
(39:15):
Let's just turn it for a second. If I asked you, okay,
give me one team in the league that has fairly
lofty projections at least nine wins, because this happens every
year there's a tire fire. I mean last year it
was the Jets, like everybody projected them eight wins, nine wins.
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If I said, let's let's let's flip the telescope, give
me the team with lofty expectations, you don't buy. This.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Pains me to do this because I got some buddies
who listened to the show religiously. But I do believe
the Detroit Lions pulled back big time this year.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Colin A.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
The schedule is much tougher, be the brain drain from
both coordinators. And see they have now been and you know,
two straight seasons, like one of the premier teams in
the NFC.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
They're not going to sneak up on anybody this year.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Everybody's going to be hunting them because they're the team that,
oh my gosh, they should be going to the super
Bowl nearly took down the Niners two years ago. I
think the Lions, who didn't really change much personnel on
the offensive side the defense, still need some work. I
think the Lions pullback wouldn't be shocked if they missed
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Colin, I think it's gonna be a tough.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Go Well, it's interesting because you would look at their
own line in their run game and you'd push back
on that. But it is interesting to note that Philadelphia
was that team two years ago with a stacked roster,
had great success, lost both coordinators, missed on the coordinator hires,
and was awful Thanksgiving on. So the point being is,
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do you really believe the best, most viable, dynamic candidate
for Ben Johnson was the guy behind him? I don't.
I don't know if Aaron Glenn is going to work
as a head coach. I've got my doubts. But do
you really think the best candidate in the country was
the guy behind him? I don't.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
We just don't remember Campbell loves to go on fourth down,
and when you've got Ben Johnson with the joystick there,
he's dialing up great stuff. I don't know if the
new guy is going to be able to deliver on
fourth and two the way that Ben Johnson had for
basically the last two years.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah. I mean, I think we all know coach and
quarterback drives this league, but there are multiple examples of
coaches either flourishing or struggling competent coaches with bad coordinators
or bad misses. So yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean,
just if you don't think coaching matters obviously in football,
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look at the Chargers defense with Brandon Staley. Look at
six months later, nine months later with Jesse Minter. It's
the same players dead last to first look at the
offensive line and the Bronco offense. Hacket to Sean Payton
with a rookie quarterback, like it mattered. Coordinators matter a lot,
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It's the Herd wherever you may be, however you may
be watching your listener. Thanks for making us a part
of your day. J mcmatt Hasselbeck is around the corner.
You've got a story on Caitlin Clark at the bottom
of the hour. Hope you had a great weekend. You
ran into Lebron James, you said, in a volleyball tournament.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Now a youth volleyball tournament. He attracted a big crowd. Hey,
quick question. Let me ask you, and I know you're
not a big social media guy. On weekends, You've got
a bubbly life out there in the Midwest. Do you
put something out about Caitlin Clark during one of her games?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Do you see like a just a tsunami of a reaction.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Everybody seems to have thoughts on Kaitlin Clark is she's
probably more polarizing than any NBA player right now.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I don't get the polarizing. She's good. Yeah, let's
enjoy her. I don't get, like I understand. I do
understand a little bit of the animosity with players. They
you know, it's like when Bryce Harper came in baseball,
nobody paid attention to us. Now you like the flashy
new player and her game is flashy, so I get
some animosity. But I always felt this. I remember when
Manny Ramirez left the Red Sox and he came back
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and people were like, yeah, I don't know if I
like him, and my take his You're the Red Sox.
You could never beat the Yankees. I don't care what
you think of Kurt Shilling or Manny Ramirez. You beat
the Yankees. You won rings with them. Like, if somebody
makes my life better, like, I don't care if it's
your ex wife, If you had fifteen great years, appreciate it.
Those that's a big chapter in your life that was good.
(01:57):
So Kaitlin Clark's making everybody's life better. You can fly
Spirit Airlines or you can upgrade to private that alone
is a thank you card and gift. I mean to me,
I don't get the polarization. All right, we do it
every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong, and plenty.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Of votes where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, my inclination was when the push push got pushed through,
it was because of Jason Kelsey, the soon to be
Hall of Famer center for the Philadelphia Eagles, who stood
in front of the owners in a suit, got in
a stance and made a declaration that it was safe.
And the stories out today is Jason Kelsey indeed was
(02:38):
the reason he changed about three to four votes that
it passed. Listen, the Health and Safety Committee of the
NFL wants to get rid of it, so it had
to be an influencer. It had to be somebody with
great conviction to sell it, an owner or a player
or a coach. And the reports are it was as
we speculated. Jason Kelsey was right. PFF came out last
(03:02):
week ranked quarterbacks, all of them. Dak Prescott was seventeenth,
one spot ahead of two him, and that's exactly right.
I know y'all love him. He's a cowboy and he's rich,
and his intangibles from maturity to focus to leadership. I
agree they're a plus, but as a thrower of the football,
as an athlete, it's CC plus B minus. He is,
(03:26):
especially after a second major surgery, in the middle of
the pack, and I appreciate pff nailing where Colin was wrong.
The Lakers need to deal Austin Reeves. I don't get
the fascination, but Dan Woike reporting the organization loves him
and the only af to pay him next year fourteen million,
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and they see him as an absolute steal. I see
him as a guy that got worked athletically against Minnesota's
wing players. I see him as a guy that should
be the fourth best player on a championship team. I
think he's a little less talented than Derek White, who
I feel the same way about. If he's your fourth
best player, you should be buying for championships.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
But I'm wrong, apparently where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Insiders now saying Jeremy Fowler reports that Aaron Rodgers many
believe has his eye on Minnesota and that is why
he has n't signed with Pittsburgh. It's not just necessarily
the personal reasons. I don't know it to be true,
but I have speculated he's too smart to think Pittsburgh's
a good fit. Burrow twice a year with better offensive
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teammates and a better offensive coach Lamar Jackson in a
better organization twice a year. Pittsburgh is a bunch of ls,
even with Aaron Rodgers, and I think he knows it
where Colin was right, Zach Eed he made the All
Rookie team. The former produce star, I didn't understand the
pushback on him. Mark Few came on our show and
(04:57):
said he never faced an offensive college player that unstoppable.
Dan Hurley came on the Herd and said, the NBA
doesn't know what they're talking about. He's going to work
in this league and for Memphis. He made the All
Rookie team. He's a guy that just kept grinding. He
got better sophomore to junior, junior's senior year, and I
think you're gonna see continued improvement. He clearly has an
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excellent work ethic where Colin was raw. The Eagles signed
an extension in Nick Siriani. You know, I don't quite
get the vibe. I think there's a lot of circumstances
like Howie Roseman and Jalen Hurts, and Sae Kwon Barkley
in the old line that elevated him. But you know what,
the players like him. I don't have to get everybody.
(05:39):
I mean at Philadelphia is a loud, high volume, high
intensity town, and there's an argument he fits the Eagles
more than any other team. So I can take it wrong.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
On that where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh, Jordan Hudson reportedly wearing a new ring and not
wanted Belichick's Super Bowl rings. It could be an engagement
ring since I'm the only American media member that does
appear to approve of this relationship, once again proving I
am not only America's honesty broker, but I'm a hopeless romantic.
I see it working. I think they like each other.
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Relationships can be complicated, but there is a report that
they have a future, that these two are a real thing.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
NBA Western Finals between Minnesota and OKC is a ratings
dud I said, I think the Knicks Pacers is going
to get great numbers and it has. This is not
a needle mover. Sga is not a dynamic player. He's
just a great score. It's a small market and Minnesota
is not a huge basketball brand. So it doesn't surprise
me that this is just not moving the needle. Like
(06:45):
I think tonight could be the best game of the series.
If Minnesota wins it, I think that helps. If OKC wins,
I think the ratings are just going to be abysmal.
We've had this before. Duncan in the Spurs when they
were running the league. We're not a captivating team was great,
but he was a big fundamental. He wasn't dynamic, he
wasn't a big personality.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It happens where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Kenny Pickett, now viewed as the front runner for the
Cleveland Browns quarterback gime. I don't get it. Just I'm
gonna die on this hill. Shador Sanders is going to
win this job. Pickett's on his third team in four
years in his NFL career, fifteen touchdowns, fourteen picks. I
don't get it. You know, nice kid. I think he's
a backup. I think he loves football. But I said
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it when he came out. He's more of a second
mid third round pick. He didn't pop on TV. He
did have one great college play where he was going
to slide. He faked it, stood ran we all ran
on a thousand times, but I don't see it as
a franchise quarterback. Colin right, Colin wrong on a Monday.
And with that, Matt Hasselbeck, eighteen years in the NFL,
joins US Live. I'll ask you about the Tush push.
(07:55):
You can tell from the committees the league wants to
get rid of it, and Jeffry Lurie has you know,
the Eagles are a respected franchise and Jason Kelcey obviously,
you know, he's just one of those guys, the grinder.
He's loved by the NFL community. Do you think not
passes for a year? If I said five years tush push,
do you think it's gonna last?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
No, I don't think it's going to last. And I
don't think they want to get rid of it.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I just think they.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Don't know what to do with it. You know, they
really don't. And it's it's I think you said it earlier.
It's a health and safety issue. That's how you move
the needle on these things. There's probably just no data
that shows that this is a play where people get injured.
You know what the NFL doesn't want. They don't want
wasted plays like the extra point when they moved it back,
and they don't want plays that the injury rate goes up,
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you lose star players.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
I thought, actually in the Super Bowl when Chris Jones
went down, I thought, oh, well, if he gets hurt
on this play, then this play has no has no future.
But I just don't think the data is there. And
you know, Jason Kelsey talking to the team, to the
you know, to the competition committee, that's not unusual. I remember,
you know, one time on the extra point they brought
in Adam Vane Terry to talk about that extra point situation.
(09:06):
They brought in different long snappers that had gotten hurt
on extra point plays, and you know, they brought in
special teams people to talk about the kickoff and the
kickoff return. So it's not unusual. I just think that
some people present their case better than others, and I
would imagine Jason Kelsey was probably pretty persuasive.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So on the Aaron Rodgers thing, when you're I mean,
at some point players get older, like Kirk Cousins, and
you do have leverage because you have two hundred million
dollars in the bank and you don't want to play,
you don't want to play, and Aaron certainly earned it.
He's made a fortune. There's talk about personal stuff. My
take has always been smart people are often too smart
(09:45):
to try to fool me that they're interested in something
that's not smart. Pittsburgh's a tone deaf offensive culture. Minnesota
is a really good offensive culture. If you were a
quarterback and you maybe have a year or two left
of all all the teams, New Orleans, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, what
would be your process on eliminating and including teams? What
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does matter to an older quarterback?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Well, who likes me back? That's a really important thing. Like, Yeah,
I've been seeing the reports that Aaron Rodgers would prefer Minnesota,
who would not like everyone would great play caller, great
head coach, great skill around you, amazing defense on the
other side of the ball. Yeah, I get it, but
they seem to be already settled on JJ McCarthy as
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their quarterback. So I don't think listen the quarterback free
agency situation when you're at the end of your career,
it's very similar to musical chairs. There's only a certain
amount of chairs. When the music stops. The music stops.
And so I've been saying this for a long time.
I believe I said it on your show, Aaron Rodgers
is gonna be with the Pittsburgh Steelers. All this other
talk about all these other teams, it's not happening. I
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do not see it happening. There's no rush for a
veteran quarterback. I think I said it on your show.
There's no way he's signing before May twenty s. Absolutely
no way you signed before phase phase three. There's no
reason to, especially if you're a guy has experienced his
a rod So I mean, to me, I think that
June ninth time, when they have that mandatory mini camp,
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is like, all right, if it's not you, then we
got to move on as the Steelers. But to me, listen,
is it the best situation out there? No, but it's
it needs to be mutual acceptance. And the music's about
to stop soon here, and he's gonna have to sit
down or get out.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
So I forget how you feel about brock Purty. I
like him, but I do feel much like a Dak
Prescott or Atua. He needs an offensive coach. He's got
to have some weaponry. His contract, now that it's all
been laid out, is not as punitive as initially thought.
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But my take is older teams get hurt more often
and it takes longer to recover. So if you tell
me Trent William spraindon e in week two, I'd be like,
this isn't going to be good. Whereas a you know,
a guy like An Allan, a Lamar, a Burrow, it's
more able to overcome that stuff. When you looked at
the brock pretty numbers, knowing this is a pretty old
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team at running back, at linebacker, at left tackle, at
tight end, are you good with it?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Well, a couple of things. As a quarterback who played
on the old CBA, I see all of these quarterback
numbers and I'm like, what you know? I feel like
I was born at the wrong time, Like that's the
first thing. But you like Brockberty. I love Brockberty. I
put myself in the category of Kyle Shanahan John Lynch.
I think he's an absolute baller. I think he's one
of the most underrated quarterbacks in the in the entire game.
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I think he does things that quarterbacks don't get credit for,
things that don't show up on your passer rating. I
think he's a really good player. I also think that
this is kind of a team friendly deal. He didn't
handcuff them to the level that I believe that he
could have, So I think I think this is a
dangerous team. I think this is a team last year
that had a terrible season. I think they could be
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a playoff team next year. I hear what you're saying
about age and losing some other good players, but I
think this is still a team that I believe in and.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
For a good part.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Yeah, he's a quarterback that needs a great coach and
a great system. Great what quarterback doesn't want that? So
put me on, put me down as a team that
believes in this quarterback. I like the signing and I
think this is a good team to watch this year.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Okay, I want to ask you about I said, it's
a head coach quarterback league. Very few players, even a TJ. Watt,
are not worth a point. That's just the way the
league is. You get the right coach and you get
the right quarterback, you're gonna win sixty five to seventy
five percent of your games. You're gonna win your division.
That's why the AFC is so much easier to protect
than the NFC. Because you have more great quarterbacks. So
I said, there are four people of all the additions
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in the NFL that I think change outcomes, And my
take was they were so bad quarterback at Tennessee. I
think cam Ward will change outcomes. I think Vrabel takes
over for a coach that was probably a coordinator elevated
to a spot that was a little much that early.
I think Geno Smith is one of those guys nobody
wants to admit. You give him time to throw in
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a run game. He's pretty good. And I do think
Ben Johnson this would be my most controversial based on
Cayleb Williams and your belief in him. Would you push
back on any of these specifically? Uh?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I mean, I kind of agree with cam Ward. He
gives you something. I just don't know if anybody's gonna care.
It's kind of amazing to me. The lack of attention
some teams get Tennessee, Jacksonville. Some of those teams I
feel like they deserve more. Mike Vrabel I liked that
a lot. I don't think I would pin it just
on Gino though. I think for me, I think what's
special about that's it? And I like Gino. I really
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like Geno a lot. I really think that Pete Carroll,
Chip Kelly, you know this weird Tom Brady involvement. I
think that's probably the top edition for me. And you know,
we got Ashton Gent, we got most dirt. Like I
think that really is going to be a team effort there.
I don't know that I would put Geno as the
face of it, even though I think I agree with you.
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Ben Johnson's interesting to me. I think he's going to
be hired much like much like Sean McVay was. He
was hired. Sean McVay was hired to see if he
could fix golf and Gurley, you know the La Rams.
I think there were Saint Louis to LA you know,
Todd Gurley, Jared Goff. Who's the right coach for those
two guys. Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he
can turn Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential,
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who realizes his potential. Last year, he just looked like
a guy that was kind of massaging the ball in
the pocket and then tried to, like, you know, be
an athlete and outrun people. It would look like a
college quarterback trying to play in the NFL. I think
Ben Johnson's going to be the guy that either can
or can't get Caleb to to realize that potential. And
Ben Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is I think
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a one year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove
that he is or isn't who he kind of thought
he was before he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Finally, you see the position of quarterback differently than us
because you played it, your experience, you can coach it.
If you look at Burrow, Andrew Luck, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes,
almost all the great quarterbacks, they're not slow builds. In
September of the first year, Burrow was throwing for three
hundred and twenty five yards with an atrocious O line
and a coach we didn't know. So generally, if you
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have it, we see it pretty quickly, especially for first
round quarterbacks. Jayden Daniels was like twenty eight of thirty
one in back to back weeks or thereabouts. How long
because I think the weapons and the old line are
pretty good. Now, how long will you give Caleb before
you say warning, I'm not It can't just be wins
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because you can win games in this league and not
play well. What will you look for with Caleb based
on what you've seen and how long will you give
him to be come a hit.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
I would have patience with him. I think he's got
enough talent and enough upside to have patience with him.
I don't think it's a quick I don't think you
know right away. I mean Troy Aikman started out really
poorly his rookie year, Like they didn't do well Peyton Manning,
you know, I think he might have led the league
in interceptions. Eli Manning get bench for Kurt Warner, Like
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there's all these stories of young quarterbacks. He doesn't start
out well. Quarterback is such a team game. You need
the people around you to play well. When you go
to the team that has the first pick in the draft,
they're usually not a great team. Now, in Caleb situation,
I believe they've built it really well around him, especially
this year, and they blamed everybody else in the building
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besides him, and so now I just think the spotlight's
going to be on him. I would have patience, But
at the same time, I don't know if Chicago Willy.
I think they open up against Brian Flores's defense. That's
a beast of a defense with all their all out pressure,
their simulated pressure. I wouldn't wish that for any young quarterback.
But at the end of the year, I think a
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decision will be made on him one way or the other.
And it's just fair to say, if you watch the film,
he's off to a very very slow start.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Matt Hasselback on a Monday, Happy Memorial Day to you
and your family.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Appreciate it, Bud, you too, see you can.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
All right, Matt Hasselback. Oha was good on the show today,
Jay Mac you were smirking, so you were looking at
something with great intensity as I was talking there. What's
going on?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Well, you know, like there's this huge discussion around Aaron
Rodgers happening with the Steelers, and it's weird. The Steelers
fan base seems a little torn, like do we want
him or do we not? And I just wonder, you know,
you never know when your stuff's going to cut through.
I got to give you a shout out for your
USC Notre Dame. That seemed kooky when you floated it
was it last year and now it's coming true. But
your idea of hey, you know what let's not add Rogers.
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Let's go Mason Rudolph and Will Howard and see how
that works. I wonder if Steelers fans here in the
coming week just gonna say, I don't want the Rogers drama,
the nonsense.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
There's just always something.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well, the baseball team's terrible, the hockey team's not making
the playoffs. They don't have NBA University of Pittsburgh's math.
So the Steelers are like, there's football season and waiting
for football season in Pittsburgh. And so I think it's
hard when and you go into these psych I can
remember there being years that Willie Stargell and the Pirates
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were winning the World Series and the Steelers were great.
I mean it goes in cycles. Right now, Pittsburgh, they've
only been great when they've had a great quarterback. And
they're right now. Remember what we said last year the
Cowboys had the worst running back room in the league.
We were right. We said it's it's Dak needs help.
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The Steelers have the worst quarterback room. I wouldn't be
surprised if you know the Kirk Cousins thing. I guess,
but that just feels like you're just plugging a hole.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Here.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
It's a little whack a mole offensively. I think your
play is go with the young guys, keep the culture strong.
You're not gonna win a bunch of games, and then
go big game hunting next year, and you may have
to part with a TJ. Watt to go from like
the eighth spot to the second spot and get the
kid out of Penn State.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
By the way, remember how Belichick was not really wanted
by any teams.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
They were like, hey, he's too old to rigid once.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I wonder if we're really close to that point with
Aaron Rodgers and we're just like, it's the Steelers are
nothing like sorry, the Vikings don't want to, the Niners
don't want like are.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
We there yet?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Where it's just like no, thanks on Aaron Rodgers. That
ship is saled.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
We will never know until Aaron speaks it into truth
because Aaron, you know, he wants to be mysterious. So
my take is if he wanted to sign, he would.
Hasselbeck says, it's May twenty seventh, son, I don't. My
take's always been if he goes to Pittsburgh, I think
they win one more game than they are now. I mean,
I think that's what he's become, an old pocket quarterback
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who looked cold in outdoor, windy cold games. He looked
old and cold is what he looked like. All right.
Live in Chicago, It's The Herd.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
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Speaker 1 (21:25):
Tonight, OKAC can be a little shaky on the road
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j Mack with the.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
News, No news, this is the herdline.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
News boy, Colin, you seized it.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Earlier in the hour, we got some bummer news about
Caitlin Clarks is going to be out at.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Least two weeks. According to the Indie NA Fever.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
They announced their star player has a left quad strain.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Kind of unclear when she.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Strained it in the game Saturday, but two weeks I
means she's gonna miss some pivotal games the league is
gonna be I'm sure the league office right now is
just devastated because there's two huge national TV games that
she's likely to miss.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
She's averaging nineteen nine and six.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
The Fever are only two and two column but both
losses are by a combined three points. I don't care
what anybody says. They're a title contender in this league.
And she's expected to miss two games against Washington, nobody
really cares about that.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But there's a game against Chicago and Angel rees on CBS.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I believe it's in two weeks that she's expected to
miss and if hopefully she's back for a game against
New York another national TV game on.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, so we have no video of when she actually
got hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
No, because she played to the end of the game
and I don't know if maybe it was reac it was.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Just like injured during the game. She played through it.
But two weeks out.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
That listen, man, that's a bummer. There's no way to
slice it.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I have such a conspiracy for theory on this, but
I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Tell no float it come up. What he's saving about?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But come on, because of because of all the combustibility
of the Angel Reese Caitlin Clark rivalry and the league
trying to bring the temperature down, they know they can't
do this just for the Chicago game, so they said,
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let's cool it down. Let's have her. Let's have Indiana
League saying let's let's bring the temperature down a little bit,
have her miss a couple of games pre Chicago. Of
course this is not true, because you couldn't go to
a team and say please, don't play your superstar boy.
But I I my first thought that that the tinfoil
had I quickly pulled it off. I do not believe
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this is true, but I get I do get to
at least acknowledge that it entered the brainosphere, like for
one second, and then I quickly grabbed a tinfoil and
I threw it all So people think you're we don't
have a fun video of it, and she missed. She's
gonna be there's three games when she plays the whole
gamer's no video.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Probably more looping, but it's weird.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
People call you a silver fox, but it's not really
silver hat that you're wearing. They just need to look closer.
But that's not a terrible theory. And you're right, the
temperature is elevated.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I was telling Martin here, they're coming after angel rees
like the internet is just out on her. It feels
a little aggressive at this point, but we'll save that
for another day. Next up, Colin A, it's a Monday,
we got to talk about Aaron Rodgers again. He seems
delusional right now thinking that he's gonna wait out the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Here's why.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Vikings owner Mark Wilf won on a radio show talking
about second year quarterback JJ McCarthy's leadership.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Take a listener.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
He has a gravitational pull as a leader, he really does.
I think the way the players support him, I think it's.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Of course, the talents is there.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Coach O'Connell is glowing in his praises of how he's
handled everything today, and from an off the field perspective,
we couldn't be happier. So all things pointing the right direction,
and we're going to be supporting jjada having to be
the success we want him to be.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna pushback on that. What does that even mean?
That sounds amazing. Well, he's got gravitational pull. He's never
played an NFL game, he doesn't have any poll. You
gonna win games, by the way, you gotta win games
in this league. People are telling me, oh, this this
Spencer Rattler for New Orleans. He's owing six. He's never
won a game. I don't care how much everybody likes
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in the room. I don't care about your leadership qualities.
Gonna win games in this league, nobody cares. This is
not baseball, where it's stats driven, or basketball, where it's
sort of like aesthetic driven. If you got style, if
you got a game, people love you. NFL is about
Double U. Really, I don't believe he's it. He's gravitational poll.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Wait, so you're becoming quarterback wins guy? Is that your
summer thing. You're gonna be like, hey, win, Well, I
guess Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You're out on him.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Can't win playoff games?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
No, I didn't say that. He wins seventy seven percent
of his games. You don't have to win. If Dan
Marina had pull his whole career talent plus double US
and winning the if you win the division. A lot
of guys get paid on quarterbacks that win division. Coaches
get paid when they win divisions. You don't have to
win rings to get paid in this sleep.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I gotta give Will props for gravitational pull.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
That's a Star Wars reference, obviously, the Death Star, and
I'm a huge Star Wars guy. I'm watching and or
right now, Colin, Hey, that's another show you got to
get into. And or I know you're in the Star
Wars Spear moment. You like that stuff, right?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
No, don't.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
By the way, were you ad mission impossible this weekend
or no, I'm saying I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I'm gonna see it when I get back from bak.
I'm busy.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Okay, you're busy.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I'm busy.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Find a final story. This is in your wheelhouse. I'll
stand down once again now.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Bill Belichick's girlfriend Jordan Hudson was seen at an airport
in North Carolina with reportedly a ring on her left
ring finger.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
This comes on the heels.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
What looks like a nice getaway on the water over
the weekend. Oh dear, Jordan posted old Bay with my
old Bay.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
On her ig. I am gonna just zip it a
lot of time out in my pocket. Take it away,
big boy.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Oh my god, old Bay with my old Bay that.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I did not call for this just for the reson.
This is producers damn this one because they know you
love it. I'm out on this story. Calin. It's dangerous,
and I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I don't think it's that dangerous. I think it's okay
for people to be attracted to one another for various reasons.
Not everybody it looks like, you know, a supermodel. You
can be attracted to people for a lot of reasons.
A woman could be attracted to a man who's got
his act together and is respectful and is thoughtful as
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a good listener, and a woman could a man could
be attracted to somebody visually attracted and sense of humor.
The age thing is what attracts people is nobody can
decipher it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Wait, so the aide thing, it's not I mean, I mean,
I do see a lot of seventy three year old
women with twenty four year old guys.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
That happens a lot very often.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Right, So I'm just gonna, you know, look up all
those on the internet.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I think there's zero in the last like thousand years.
But you know, I digress. There's nothing to see here.
It's summer love, as they say.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Right, Yeah, I just I'm not going to get into
the game of trying to say why she's attracted to Belichick.
Bill's not a Battlican guy, he's very successful. Whatever, that's
not my space, Like, whatever, why does Anne think I'm attractable?
That one's obvious, but for most people it's not as obvious.
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So it's a holiday. Let's let's wrap our arms around
young love.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
By the way, I know you like to think you're
a man of the people, but I'm actually out and
about with the regular people. And this is the second
most popular question I get in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
What do you make of this Belichick twenty four year
old things?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Oh, I know, people they're into it, they're.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Obsessed with and you know, it's all guys asking I
wonder why that is coming.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well, I think it's I think it's gonna last forever.
It's gonna be like meet the Press of relationships. It's
gonna be it's gonna last forever. Gun smoke. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, it's it's you know, it's sports is a crazy
I you know, the funny thing about sports. And I've
said this for years. This has always been like my
default line. I'm not a moralist. I'm not a moral
There are so many moralists on the radio that do
talk radio, and you can go find those people. I'm
(29:40):
not a moralist. People do what they do. There's open relationships,
there are power dynamics that are odd in relationships. You
do you what you're attracted do is none of my
business and so if it works, go for it now.
There aren't a lot of seventy four year old women
attracted to twenty six year old men. That is true,
(30:03):
but again, the genders are different, you know, we do
different things, we see the world differently. It's The Herd.
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Speaker 1 (30:39):
So I saw a clip this morning. Rich Paul was
on Rich Eisen Show talking about there's a lot of
rumors that Lebron's moving all the cards for the Lakers.
He pulled the JJ Reddick card, and he knew about
the Luca move. Although you know a d some have
(31:01):
speculated thinks Lebron knew about the Luca move. Before the
Luca move, there's the Westbrook trade, which Rich Paul has
said Lebron had no idea about that. But here's Rich
Paul on Lebron's current influence with the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
Clearly, he don't run the team because there's things that
transpired that he didn't even.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Know about, so like the Luca Traders. But you're saying, yeah,
so how is he?
Speaker 6 (31:27):
How is he?
Speaker 7 (31:28):
How is he running the team? There's one thing to
have power and influence. And there are guys who earn
the right for some decisions to be you know, rampast
you or or so for some teams to to say, hey.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
What do you think about this?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Or yeah that's earn.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, I think that's true. I have a very strong
belief owner should own GM, soir GM co you should coach,
players should play. Now, there are occasional players who have
a good sense of personnel, but athletes, an athlete's prism
(32:12):
is selfish. To be an athlete, you have to be selfish.
You give up stuff, right, and the athlete's prism is
what's good for me and what's good today. And a
general manager obviously has to have a more comprehensive view.
That's why, even as smart as as Lebron is in
terms of basketball, every team Lebron leaves is a shipwreck. Why,
(32:35):
because you build the team for the moment and the
minute he leaves, you don't have any depth, you don't
have draft picks. So it's all about winning now in
his prime. I'm for that. I remember in Miami, I
think there was a basketball player I forget it was
a Yukon player or something. There was some guard that
Lebron liked, that had a really good Final four or
a really good tournament, and Lebron reportedly liked him, and
(32:59):
he didn't do anything in the NBA. This is like
the minute owners start medling Jerry Jones, it goes sideways.
The minute gms start putting pressure on their coach or
their quarterback, it goes sideways. One of the reasons Green
Bay has worked for all these years in the NFL
is that Murphy runs the operations. Gooden coach running personnel.
(33:23):
Their coach is an offensive guy runs the team, and
you get into problems when passive aggressive Brett or passive
aggressive Erran want to be like a little bit of
coach and personnel got That's when the problems happened. Early
Far didn't Early Errand anytime Green Bay has struggled, it
has been a quarterback that wants to usurp certain power dynamics,
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and I just don't think it works. You know, you
can go and be you know, conciliatory. Hey, listen, what
do you think? Listen the way we really care about
your opinion. But I think I don't give you an example.
Belichick's brilliant coach the minute Belichick took over personnel. The
last seven drafts in New England were awful. I've said this.
(34:10):
I had a phone call was driving home two days ago.
I had a phone call with a GM in the NFL,
and I said, the San Francisco forty nine Ers draft
has Kyle Shanahan's fingerprints all over it, and this GM agreed.
I said, I loved their first pick, and then it
looked like a bunch of picks that could help Kyle Shanahan. Now.
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That was not a John Lynch draft. That Kyle has
too much power. I felt Denver this year was Sean Payton.
I didn't love Denver's draft. I thought there were a
couple of reaches that felt like this will help Sean now,
and I love Sean. I think the best draft was Seattle.
Why because McDonald has no power, Therefore it was a
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John Snyder draft. The coach doesn't have any power yet
and it was a strict by the way, what other
coach doesn't have power? Todd Bowles Tampa look at their
last couple of drafts really strong. So I it's not
one of these shut up and dribble things like I
think you should Lebron in his prime or Brading his prime?
(35:18):
What do you make of this guy? But I think
it's better to ask Lebron in his prime? What do
you think of this current teammate? Not how do you
project this kid from Kansas who's an off guard? How
does he know he's watching the NBA? But I do
think you can go to a Lebron or a Mahomes
and say, hey man, how is this guy in the room?
(35:38):
Do you trust him on routes? Is he a worker?
Do the guy is like him? I think that's when
you go to a star. How does this guy plan
in the room? Tell me if you know. And that's
why most great coaches in every sport will have like
a council, like a player's council. Players have player only meetings.
That's the value of the star. Give me the temperature
of the room, keep it private who's not working. But
(36:03):
I think asking a pro athlete to project hell, that's
hard enough for general managers to project who's going to
be in the pros. You don't have any idea now,
Rich Paul did say and Lebron in his prime, you know,
when his ceiling was unlimited, it's it's different. But right
now Lebron is a lease, not a buye. He's a lead.
(36:25):
He's not even a lease to own. He's just a lease.
It is very hard to plan your future around a
player that doesn't know his future. So there's there's I
think you Lebron's is squeezing every last ounce out of
his career. But at this point I'm not I'm not
terribly interested in like his plans going forward. You want
(36:48):
to make sure when he bolts, when he jettisen's the
team and that could be, you know, after this year.
He's more in the plan with his son's mode. He's
more in the business mode, which I'm here for. He's
earned it, but I'm not asking him for big opinions
on personnel. Earlier today, I said, I think it was
Bleacher report came out and they listed a player on
(37:09):
every team that is the most dangerous new addition. It
could be free agency, it could be the draft. I
think it's a coach quarterback league. I think there's four
people that will change losses to wins. Cam Ward quarterback
for the Titans, Mike vrabel Gino Smith quarterback play was
so bad last year. And by the way, if you
(37:31):
notice what I'm saying here, all of these people, whether
it's cam Ward, Mike frabel Gino, Smith, Ben Johnson, what
do they have in common. They are replacing somebody, either
coach or quarterback who is bottom of the league. So
competency to slightly above competency will change outcomes in these
(37:51):
four players or coaches. Cam Ward, Mike rabel Gino, Smith,
Ben Johnson. Bett Hasselbeck joined us earlier. I think you've
got to put a pretty quick timetable on Caleb Williams.
I think generally, if a quarterback has a smart offensive coach,
Tua got Mike McDaniel, Goff got Sean McVeigh. You saw
it in three weeks. But Hasselbeck's taking a bit more
(38:12):
of a practical approach.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he can turn
Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential. Who
realizes his potential. Last year he just looked like a
guy that was kind of massaging the ball in the
pocket and then tried to, like, you know, be an
athlete and outrun people. It would look like a college
quarterback trying to play in the NFL. I think Ben
Johnson's going to be the guy that either can or
(38:37):
can't get Caleb to to realize that potential. And Ben
Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is I think a
one year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove that
he is or isn't who he kind of thought he
was before he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So we do this where we Jmac, you and I
make predictions. They're called future bets, and we usually try
to be optimistic. We take teams that we think will
be noticeably better than they're over under. Last year I
took Washington. Denver got it right, year before Rams got
it right, year before Vikings got it right. I've said
I think New England is my better than people think team.
(39:15):
Let's just turn it for a second. If I asked you, okay,
give me one team in the league that has fairly
lofty projections at least nine wins, because this happens every
year there's a tire fire. I mean last year it
was the Jets, like everybody projected them eight wins, nine wins.
(39:36):
If I said, let's let's let's flip the telescope, give
me the team with lofty expectations, you don't buy. This.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Pains me to do this because I got some buddies
who listened to the show religiously. But I do believe
the Detroit Lions pulled back big time this year.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Colin A.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
The schedule is much tougher, be the brain drain from
both coordinators. And see they have now been and you know,
two straight seasons, like one of the premier teams in
the NFC.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
They're not going to sneak up on anybody this year.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Everybody's going to be hunting them because they're the team that,
oh my gosh, they should be going to the super
Bowl nearly took down the Niners two years ago. I
think the Lions, who didn't really change much personnel on
the offensive side the defense, still need some work. I
think the Lions pullback wouldn't be shocked if they missed
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Colin, I think it's gonna be a tough.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Go Well, it's interesting because you would look at their
own line in their run game and you'd push back
on that. But it is interesting to note that Philadelphia
was that team two years ago with a stacked roster,
had great success, lost both coordinators, missed on the coordinator hires,
and was awful Thanksgiving on. So the point being is,
(40:50):
do you really believe the best, most viable, dynamic candidate
for Ben Johnson was the guy behind him? I don't.
I don't know if Aaron Glenn is going to work
as a head coach. I've got my doubts. But do
you really think the best candidate in the country was
the guy behind him? I don't.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
We just don't remember Campbell loves to go on fourth down,
and when you've got Ben Johnson with the joystick there,
he's dialing up great stuff. I don't know if the
new guy is going to be able to deliver on
fourth and two the way that Ben Johnson had for
basically the last two years.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah. I mean, I think we all know coach and
quarterback drives this league, but there are multiple examples of
coaches either flourishing or struggling competent coaches with bad coordinators
or bad misses. So yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean,
just if you don't think coaching matters obviously in football,
(41:44):
look at the Chargers defense with Brandon Staley. Look at
six months later, nine months later with Jesse Minter. It's
the same players dead last to first look at the
offensive line and the Bronco offense. Hacket to Sean Payton
with a rookie quarterback, like it mattered. Coordinators matter a lot,
(42:07):
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