May 27, 2025 • 27 mins
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The effect Caitlin Clark's injury is having on the WNBA
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
By the way, Caitlin Clark's injury has sent WNBA ticket
prices for her games tumbling. The Indiana Fever Chicago Sky game,
which right now maybe is the best rivalry in the league,
tickets are down seventy one percent. So the animosity for
her Rick Bucher's joining us, what do you make I mean,
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I read some numbers yesterday on the air on Memorial Day.
It is unbelievable. Like she's worth almost half the merchandise
of the league. What do you make of it? It's
a combination of things.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
One, I think WNBA was an untapped market certainly, and
the value of live programming when it comes to TV
and everything else has just shot through the roof, particularly
when it comes to sports. So I think she stepped
in at the right at the right time to take
advantage of all of that. I think of Tiger Woods.
Tiger Woods, I think over his first five six years,
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he raised the value of purses like one hundred and
forty percent for golfers, So he certainly brought a lot
of money into the sport. Magic and Bird transformed the NBA.
I don't have numbers on that, but obviously when you
go from tape delay to actual live programming, that's going
to have an influence. But I think really is it's
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really a matter of right place, right time, along with
the nexus of women's sports coming to the forefront in
terms of the general interest in sports and women's sports.
So I think she just she tapped into a lot
of things that are happening at this time.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So I said this, we were talking about this before
you came on. And by the way, Alan iverson Jay Mackett,
another guy can throw in. But I counted fifteen players
all time that played differently that were dynamics, starting with
the first one I saw was Doctor j and then
there's niek and then there's David Thompson and Michael and
Magic and Burdon, Shaq and Kobe and Derrick Rose and Drexler,
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and there's about fifteen guys that literally Charles Barkley, that
literally played different like that, they were more vertical, they
were more dynamic. Zion could have been if not for
injuries and weight. But the majority of great NBA players
are closer scores to Kawhi Leonard than SGA and Tim
Duncan and man ud Jenobili. And so when I hear
the criticism of FGA, I'm like, he's not here to
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entertain us. He's just a tremendous all time player. What
do you make of the free throw merchant label?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I think it's silly and it is inspired by franchised
fans who don't like the way or don't like the
fact that that SGA is getting over on their team
and their favorite superstar. The reality is is that his
ability to draw fouls is a function of all of
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the other talent and.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Skills that he's developed.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
He's a three level scorer, and he's got the ability
to get a step on guys going either direction, and
he can score in a multitude of ways.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
He hasn't always.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Had that, And by the way, being able to draw
fouls is a skill as well, in terms of being
able to change pace, direction, speed and score in a
multitude of ways, So I have no problem with it.
Every great player we've seen has been able to do it.
And one of the biggest reasons that he has it
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and the distinction between those players that you mentioned that
are all dynamic players and the ones that were dynamic
players and were champions. And this is the thing that
I think people don't really appreciate when it comes to basketball.
We think of it.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
As a vertical sport.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
The greatest players, the champions, the most efficient players also
have a ground game. They have great footwork and fundamentals
and can score without having to leap over somebody. And
that's what we're seeing with Anthony Edwards right now is
that he doesn't have that, and conversely SGA does, Jalen
Brunson does, and until Anthony Edwards develops that, he's not
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going to be on their level, no matter how dynamic
his game might be otherwise.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Well, you know, it's interesting rick in politics today, because
you have to win primaries. It basically doesn't play the
moderates in common sense, either you're far left or far right,
and that will get you in the running right. So
like if you're a moderate slightly left or slightly right,
you're at a huge disadvantage. You're better to be far
right or far left. And analytics can do that to
sports in that it changes your game. Like Aunt Edwards,
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I look at his game and I think, I want
more touches, I want more dunks, I want more transition.
I wonder if analytics is changing his game for the worst.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Well, I don't know if it's analytics or falling in
love with the idea of being Steph Curry and being
able to shoot like Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
From two point range.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
But there's no doubt that that's the worst thing that's
happened to Anthony Edwards game was the being on the
Olympic team and deciding that he was going to spend
the summer trying to be more like Steph Curry because
during the season he fifty percent of his shots came
from three point range. If I'm the defense, taking threes
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is the best thing that can happen because it's not
going to open up things for anybody else. If he's
hitting them, Yeah, that's a problem, but he's very streaky
when it comes to that, and when he gets into
the paint, he's much more dangerous when he has his
mid range game. All of the threes that he took
this season were at the expense of the mid range game,
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mid range.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That he used to take.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
He was developing a mid range game that's almost non
existent now.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think one of the most telling stats that I.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Saw today was the fact that SGA averages six five
point eight six field goal attempts from the ten to
sixteen point range, the foot range. The mid range ant
averages one per game. And you can tell that when
he gets the ball on the perimeter and he can't
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see a path to the rim, he gets hesitant because
as opposed to SGA just wants to get you on
your hip. He gets you on your hip, and he's
going to get to the free throw line, and then
he's going to.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Make a decision.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Can I get there? If I can't get there, is
Isaiah Hartenstein open for a lob? Or I can just
pull up and hit this mid range and I'm comfortable
doing that, and he shoots it. SGA shoots that mid
range at fifty five percent. That eliminates the need at
that high a percentage mid range. That eliminates your need
to be able to shoot threes or trade two for
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threes because now you've got to shoot the three at
a high percentage. Aunt shoots that same shot at closer
to forty percent and so that to me is the
big hole in Ant's game. And until he gets that,
or develops that, or focuses on that, he's going to
be limited and defenses are going to be able to
corral him.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The way that OKC has. One of the hardest things
for certainly fans and media but even execs to remember
is that you should fall in like with your stars,
not fall in love. Almost all players have holes and
flaws and whoever has the ball on your team. Too
many people I think fell in love with Harden. Harden
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didn't play defense, he was too ball centric, didn't play
well with others. Jalen Brunson, I don't think is as
naturally gifts it as Harden, but he doesn't defend. It
doesn't work on the floor with Kat a lot of
the time, and you know he needs the ball a lot.
So when I look at the Knicks, I know the
Knicks haven't been relevant forever. Like I get falling in love,
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but I look at him and I think he's not
ideal with his current roster. Move Cat find a catch
and shoot while maintaining some size like KD. Doesn't that
make some sense.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I would prefer KD over Cat just because I can.
He's more reliable as a scorer and he can catch
and shoot or operate off of one dribble. But what
I really need is to take one of the hats
off of Jalen Brunson, because he's not only mister Klutch.
He's not only their go to score, but he's also
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their playmaker. For the most part, you can't really play
through Cat or anybody else on that team. What I need,
and these names aren't nearly as sexy as KD, but
Demanta Sabonis and what he does for the Sacramento Kings
as a triple double threat.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
They've played through.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Him these past three a couple of years, and he's
demonstrated that he can be a playmaker or a Franz Wagner.
It's the Lebron James Luka Doncicch type that is not
dominating the ball as a scorer. I can use Jalen
for that, but I can't use him for both. And
there is the element. Look, I think that Jalen tries
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to play defense. I think that he can play defense
in certain situations. But there's just a limit when you're
six feet one hundred and ninety pounds or so to
expect you to win every matchup offensively and then be
able to defend your position. In today's uber athletic NBA
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is a lot to ask.
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Speaker 1 (09:49):
Finally, you know, I always notice on TikTok one of
the things you see just a bevy of is this
fitness world we live in, where eat this and do this.
And I always think to myself, people are what they are.
You can change for an hour, but by February people
who signed up for the gym are back to not
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going to the gym. So I hear that Luca, his
conditioning is really changing, and I think he likes his beer,
he likes his off seat.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Right, what do you make of the Luca?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I just in the end, I think he is what
he is.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Right, Colin, if we wanted to, we could have had
this conversation in twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I've seen this iteration.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I've seen the reports, I've seen the video clips, I've
seen him working out, it's like, oh, he's slimmed down.
I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
He's not alone.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
There's a lot of other players I've seen who was like, oh,
he's in shape or he's lost weight. The challenge is
is over the course of the season, when you are
traveling and you've got weird hours and you're fatigued from games.
That's when the STEPH curve separate themselves. Where they get
in and they get their treatment, and then they get
in the weight room and they're setting that standard for
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themselves and for their entire team, and that is where
things have to change if they're going to change. For Luca,
He's still at a young enough age where I don't
want to say that it can't happen, because I've seen
other players realize, you know what, injury wise and everything else,
if I don't take care of better care of my body,
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I'm going to get into trouble. But that said, it can't.
It's not the off season is the easiest time to
take care of yourself. It's in the grind that you've
got to be disciplined.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, no question, You're on a flight from you know,
eleven forty five to two in the morning. You will revived.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
You can't sleep, and they've got food. Let me tell you,
I've been on those team flights. There's food outside the
locker room. There's food. There's there's food when you get
on the plane, and then they ask you what.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You'd like to have as a full meal.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
So the opportunity to put on weight is absolutely there
throughout the season.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Rick good Senior, as alas my man, you got it,
all right, j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
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Speaker 4 (12:16):
All right, Colin, let's start with the Green Bay Packers.
Haven't done much with them lately. They've kind of been quiet,
you know, maybe second, third or fourth in the division
this year. But Jordan Love has a new weapon on
the outside, a young fellow named Matthew Golden out of Texas.
He's a Burner, and his quarterback says, Golden looks like
a stud, looks like a very polished receiver. I'm excited
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to just see how far he could take it. My
question is, I don't know how Golden cracks the rotation
or what they do. They've got one of the best
receiving groups in the league. No Alpha, no superstar, but
a lot of good players, Christian Watson, Jade Reid, Romeo Dobbs.
What are your expectations for Golden.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And the Dobbs is inconsistent. Watson has heard a lot.
There's no problem having an extra receiver. My take would
be that the Green Bay Packers will go through camp
early stages of the season, will move one of those receivers,
you know, get a fifth round pick, or or get
a functional interior offensive lineman. But when I saw that
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draft pick, you know, that draft pick felt like to
me as they're disappointed with one of the receivers in
their room. It could be Watson because of his injuries.
But my take was they have a lot of good
tight ends, a lot of good receivers, and they drafted
another one. Sometimes teams tell you what they're thinking about
their personnel during draft and free agency, and I thought
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they told you they're going to move off one of
their young receivers and somebody. They've got four guys that
have moments.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It could be Dobbs.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
He had the incident when he was Ben Slash last
season for like Bet getting upset with his touches. Wix
is another guy who's pretty good, big body guy, but that.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Is interesting a trade chip.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Let's move off one of the other guys creates a
new room for Golden. I don't hate that. Golden looks
like a lot of Jaden Reid, who emerges a potential stud.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, he didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Late in a big game.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I think it might have been a one game late
in the season. I was like, where's Jade Reid?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So they got weapons.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I like the Packers, I just I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Know what to make of them. Call it next up.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Jannis has an idea. Okay, he is endorsing this USA
Versus the World All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Now, it's been floated before.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
But Jannis is now all of a sudden active on
social media ahead of potentially his trade summer. He is
floating a USA versus the World All Star Game, and Colin,
I'm not gonna lie. This looks pretty awesome. The problem is,
how do you get these guys to buy in when
Curry and Lebron are old eighties old, and then a
lot of the Europeans like they need the rest because
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they're carrying their teams. Janis, Jokic, Lucas.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
It's a bit of a tough sell.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I don't know how you make this interesting, but splitting
it into two certainly I mean a talent and it's just.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh I would, I would absolutely, in one second take
this over the current NBA All Start Game, not even
without question. You know, like we care about stuff in
this country when we're threatened or we lose, that's when
we really truly care. Watching one forty eight four doesn't
do it for me. I love the idea and this
I think it's smart.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
So I guess the counter would be like, what's the win?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Is the win?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
You get to pump up the USA or.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
The win the win is, you know, whenever the All
Star Game is February, whenever it is, people are talking
for two to three days about the NBA. There's some
social currency to it. That's the win something.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Final story Colin is Aaron Judge. Oh my gosh, this
guy's on a tear. He is hitting three ninety eight
right now, chasing four hundred. He's first or second in
almost every major batting category, trying to break Babe Roots
record for total basis which has stood since Is that
right nineteen twenty one? Oh my gosh, look at these
numbers for Judge first and average obp ops total bases,
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extra base hits, second in home runs after a Tani
went yard last night. Aaron Judge is absolutely cooking with
the Yankees, and I'd love a Yankees Dodgers rematch in
the World Series.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You get Judge vs.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Otani, which the.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Cubs may have something to say with that. Oo oh,
keep your on the Cubs. Just just keep your on
the cub Why don't you talk.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
About white Sox and then while you're at it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
No, let's not, let's not do that. Give me a flake.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
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Speaker 1 (17:02):
That's always what's interesting about Aaron Rodgers, who still hasn't
made a decision. Aaron didn't win enough big games and
there's reasons for it. I mean, even with Brady Manning
and Big Ben in the AFC. There was a thought
that Aaron would own the NFC. He didn't. He didn't
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even own the NFC, which had weaker quarterbacks, and so
my tickets. There's a reason he's not really a foxhole guy,
can be passive aggressive. I've been told this by he
wasn't as committed as other players like you know, Brady
and Manning. He wasn't obsessed. He had a life, and
so it's Oh, I've always said, it's very hard for me,
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what do you do with Marino and Aaron Rodgers? Because
the four or five things that matter when you judge
all time quarterbacks, super Bowl appearances and wins, division titles, productivity, MVP,
playoff record, and Aaron and Reno just don't match up. Now,
Aaron's closer than Dan Marino is. But Dan Marino had
Don Shula and got to won Super Bowl and couldn't
win Why. A little bit of a playboy, maybe not
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as obsessed with work ethic middle older later in his career,
didn't have his legs, a little bit stubborn, relied too
much on talent and not other factors. He had the coach,
it's a coach quarterback league. My entire life. He had
a running game, he had decent protection. So it's nothing
against Marino, but it's on Marino, it's not in anybody else.
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They had good ownership. So when you talk about all
these great plays, say what you want about Aikman. When
he had the opportunity to win titles, he did too
with Jimmy and one with Barry Switzer. He was a leader.
He maybe he didn't have the talent, but he won
when Bradshaw had the great defenses in Chuck Knowle, he
goes four and oh in super Bowls, and so you
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don't have to win all of them. Elway got blown
out multiple times. Mahomes has been blown out, but he
gets to them. Elway is getting to them over Josh
Allen and Lamar Jackson, and so like, I think Josh
Allen and Lamar are all time greats. But if they
truly are, they'll make a Super Bowl. They'll get the
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one or two. And so I've always been a huge
fan of Lamar Jackson, but if he doesn't get to
a super Bowl, then it's hard to put him in
that class. Right. He's just a winning regular season player.
And you know, a great example is golf is that
as great as Tiger Woods was, Phil Mickelson still won
six majors and forty five PGA events because he's an
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all time great, So I mean, as good as it
all was, and Fetter was, Djokovic is still winning those tournaments.
Three all time greats simultaneously. You could argue, although Feeder's
a little older in their prime, they still won those
all those majors because they're three all time greats, as
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McEnroe was, as Borg was, and they were simultaneously. I
think they were simultaneously in their prime. So that that's
the thing with Aaron. It's like Aaron Brady Manning and
Big Ben were on the other ledger. You got to
get to Super Bowls and he got the one, and
you could say, well, who do you have as coach?
He had offensive coaches? Well what did he have? Support?
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They always had good offensive lines. I mean, now Green
Bay doesn't get the free agents that other organizations do,
but I would argue in the last twenty five years
they've drafted better than any organization in the league. I
really believe that they draft and develop, especially O line,
They draft and develop as well as anybody in the league.
So it's I've always said I don't know what to do, because,
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as Aaron has been talking in the last couple of weeks,
he said, I don't want to play in Louisiana. I'm
not going to be a Saint, so where he plays matters.
He said he'd play for ten million dollars, so salary
doesn't matter. He's telling you it's not about the money,
it's about where I play. And at a recent event
he talked about, you know, he talked about maybe I
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could go to Green Bay. So I'm not even sure
right now if he wants to be a starter, But
I've if you retire today, where to put him. Jim Kelly,
by the way, who also played in another league. I mean,
think how good you can say what you want about
Jim Kelly. He got the four Super Bowls and a
lot of his career was in another league. So Jim
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Kelly has to be considered an all time Greade to me, Now,
he didn't win him. He was going up against the
Dynasty and the Dallas Cowboys, but the fact is Jim
got to four of them. So I think when you
talk about all time greats, if Aaron retired today, I've
never quite known like like, I've never quite known what
to do. Nick. Here was Aaron over the weekend asked
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about the possibility as retiring as a Packer.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
I've thought about that, and I don't understand what the
uh what the reason for that is. You know, at
the same time, I grew up a Niner fan and
most of my my favorite players retired as a Niner.
So I understand the thing about it. But if I
didn't do it, would that make a difference in how
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I'm viewed in the Packers' eyes. There's a lot of
love for me and how I feel about the team.
If I do, if I don't, I don't think you
should make a difference. I'm not sure yet. If they
approached me about it, I probably would.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
So Nick Wright and I were talking about this earlier.
If Aaron retired today, Nick says he's top ten, And
I struggle with it because the stuff that matters is
Super Bowl appearances and wins division titles. I mean, if
you can't win Super Bowls, you've got to dominate your division.
Big Ben dominates his division, Brady dominates his division. Got
to dominate your division. I want productivity. I'll give you
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some MVPs I do not care about passer rating at
all in your playoff record, and playoff records are they're hard.
Both Farv and Aaron Rodgers were around five hundred. I
get it. I think Farv has a couple more wins
than the playoffs, but it's hard you're playing the best teams.
But I also would say that green Bay has a
bit of a weather advantage. I mean for dome teams
and warm weather teams going to Green Bay. Like you
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can remember Michael Vick winning there, like it was so shocking.
You are not shocked when a cold weather team goes
down to a dome and wins. That's much easier. So
I don't know. I mean again, I'm not saying Aaron's
not a top twelve to fifteen quarterback of all time,
but when he's talking about retiring, he's a Hall of Famer.
He's first ballot. Some like far More. I always preferred
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Aaron as a quarterback. I thought he was more of
a thinking person's quarterback. I don't know what to do
with him all time, and I don't know what to
do with Dan Marino. NBA style matters, NFL winning matters,
especially in January and February and Marino didn't win a
lot there, And I think a lot of it's on Dan.
It's not on Shula, it's not on the organization. And
Aaron didn't win a lot, didn't dominate the NFC. I
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think some of it's on Aaron. I never thought he
was a fox old guy. People can push back, that's fine,
but that's kind of where we stand now. Here's Nick
earlier on Aaron Rodgers, sort of the all time debate
if he retired today since the merger.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I think there are to me, six guys I would
clearly have ahead of Aaron, and then five or six
guys he's right there with them. And the Marino part
is tricky because you're right, he's got none of the winning.
But the flip side to that is literally every person
that covered the league in the eighties or played, they
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all swear a blood oath that he's one of the
greatest players anyone's ever seen. And so I and I
feel like there is some of that same almost mythological
aspect to Aaron, which is guys who played with him
and against him talk about his talent in such an
amazing way.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, and maybe it's just as simple as this. Athletes
quarterbacks consider Aaron all time top ten, but I think
you have to consider this. If he is top ten,
what happens If Josh Allen wins a Super Bowl, He's
absolutely gonna push him out. What happens if Lamar wins
a Super Bowl with a seventy six percent winning percentage
in a division with Joe Burrow the Steelers, that could
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push him out. So if Aaron is top ten, it's
probably nine to ten ish, And there's no question Mahomes
is already in there. I'm not that far from I mean,
Alan May ended up being Marino, where you don't get
the Super Bowls, but you get everything else. And maybe
Josh Allen is our current Dan Marino. But in terms
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of an athlete playing quarterback, I think Josh Allen's the
most talented quarterback I've ever seen, second hal Way, third
Mahomes just talent. The other thing is, I'll throw this
out there, Jay Mac, this is one we've talked about.
If Stafford wins another Super Bowl, you think it's crazy.
He was a better high school quarterback than Aaron, a
better college quarterback, a better first four year in the
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league quarterback, and a much better quarterback late. I think
Stafford has signed that team friendly deal because I think
Stafford is aware that with another super Bowl he moves
into eight. I mean, you can say what you want
about Stafford. Look at Stafford's playoff record. He just had
the dysfunction of Detroit in the prime of his career.
But if Stafford wins another Super Bowl, I'm sorry, he
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is really close to top ten all time, really close,
because he's been a good regular season quarterback where Eli.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Wasn't settled down there, big guy. A lot of ifs
with Josh Allen and if Lamara and Stafford. Let's just
deal with the numbers. Because you mentioned Elway earlier. And
when I hear Elway and I say Rogers for sure,
I go down a rabbit hole. Colin, I know you're
not gonna want to hear this. Elway versus Rogers is
super interesting. I'll just start with this. Every statistical category
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almost Aaron Rodgers destroys him, and I love Elway. Elway
has a better culture of winning super Bowls obviously, and comebacks.
John Away was the master of comebacks. Rogers does not
have a surprisingly low number of comebacks. That's right, But
if you just look at it from pure quarterbacking, Aaron
Rodgers is top five and that's undeniable.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
From the just remember Aaron's career is in a passing league.
Elway it was a much more defense could do anything
they wanted back then go look, go look at what
defense could do then to a wide receiver and a quarterback,
and I was.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Like, I was a huge fan of Elwick, was distraught
when he couldn't win until he got Durell Davis.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
But Rogers not top ten.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
That's one of your hotter takes.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Of twenty twenty five. I'm not saying he couldn't be eleven.
I'm not saying it's not five to five than ten.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
By the way, Caitlin Clark's injury has sent WNBA ticket
prices for her games tumbling. The Indiana Fever Chicago Sky game,
which right now maybe is the best rivalry in the league,
tickets are down seventy one percent. So the animosity for
her Rick Bucher's joining us, what do you make I mean,
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I read some numbers yesterday on the air on Memorial Day.
It is unbelievable. Like she's worth almost half the merchandise
of the league. What do you make of it? It's
a combination of things.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
One, I think WNBA was an untapped market certainly, and
the value of live programming when it comes to TV
and everything else has just shot through the roof, particularly
when it comes to sports. So I think she stepped
in at the right at the right time to take
advantage of all of that. I think of Tiger Woods.
Tiger Woods, I think over his first five six years,
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he raised the value of purses like one hundred and
forty percent for golfers, So he certainly brought a lot
of money into the sport. Magic and Bird transformed the NBA.
I don't have numbers on that, but obviously when you
go from tape delay to actual live programming, that's going
to have an influence. But I think really is it's
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really a matter of right place, right time, along with
the nexus of women's sports coming to the forefront in
terms of the general interest in sports and women's sports.
So I think she just she tapped into a lot
of things that are happening at this time.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So I said this, we were talking about this before
you came on. And by the way, Alan iverson Jay Mackett,
another guy can throw in. But I counted fifteen players
all time that played differently that were dynamics, starting with
the first one I saw was Doctor j and then
there's niek and then there's David Thompson and Michael and
Magic and Burdon, Shaq and Kobe and Derrick Rose and Drexler,
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and there's about fifteen guys that literally Charles Barkley, that
literally played different like that, they were more vertical, they
were more dynamic. Zion could have been if not for
injuries and weight. But the majority of great NBA players
are closer scores to Kawhi Leonard than SGA and Tim
Duncan and man ud Jenobili. And so when I hear
the criticism of FGA, I'm like, he's not here to
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entertain us. He's just a tremendous all time player. What
do you make of the free throw merchant label?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I think it's silly and it is inspired by franchised
fans who don't like the way or don't like the
fact that that SGA is getting over on their team
and their favorite superstar. The reality is is that his
ability to draw fouls is a function of all of
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the other talent and.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Skills that he's developed.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
He's a three level scorer, and he's got the ability
to get a step on guys going either direction, and
he can score in a multitude of ways.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
He hasn't always.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Had that, And by the way, being able to draw
fouls is a skill as well, in terms of being
able to change pace, direction, speed and score in a
multitude of ways, So I have no problem with it.
Every great player we've seen has been able to do it.
And one of the biggest reasons that he has it
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and the distinction between those players that you mentioned that
are all dynamic players and the ones that were dynamic
players and were champions. And this is the thing that
I think people don't really appreciate when it comes to basketball.
We think of it.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
As a vertical sport.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
The greatest players, the champions, the most efficient players also
have a ground game. They have great footwork and fundamentals
and can score without having to leap over somebody. And
that's what we're seeing with Anthony Edwards right now is
that he doesn't have that, and conversely SGA does, Jalen
Brunson does, and until Anthony Edwards develops that, he's not
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going to be on their level, no matter how dynamic
his game might be otherwise.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Well, you know, it's interesting rick in politics today, because
you have to win primaries. It basically doesn't play the
moderates in common sense, either you're far left or far right,
and that will get you in the running right. So
like if you're a moderate slightly left or slightly right,
you're at a huge disadvantage. You're better to be far
right or far left. And analytics can do that to
sports in that it changes your game. Like Aunt Edwards,
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I look at his game and I think, I want
more touches, I want more dunks, I want more transition.
I wonder if analytics is changing his game for the worst.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Well, I don't know if it's analytics or falling in
love with the idea of being Steph Curry and being
able to shoot like Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
From two point range.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
But there's no doubt that that's the worst thing that's
happened to Anthony Edwards game was the being on the
Olympic team and deciding that he was going to spend
the summer trying to be more like Steph Curry because
during the season he fifty percent of his shots came
from three point range. If I'm the defense, taking threes
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is the best thing that can happen because it's not
going to open up things for anybody else. If he's
hitting them, Yeah, that's a problem, but he's very streaky
when it comes to that, and when he gets into
the paint, he's much more dangerous when he has his
mid range game. All of the threes that he took
this season were at the expense of the mid range game,
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mid range.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That he used to take.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
He was developing a mid range game that's almost non
existent now.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think one of the most telling stats that I.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Saw today was the fact that SGA averages six five
point eight six field goal attempts from the ten to
sixteen point range, the foot range. The mid range ant
averages one per game. And you can tell that when
he gets the ball on the perimeter and he can't
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see a path to the rim, he gets hesitant because
as opposed to SGA just wants to get you on
your hip. He gets you on your hip, and he's
going to get to the free throw line, and then
he's going to.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Make a decision.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Can I get there? If I can't get there, is
Isaiah Hartenstein open for a lob? Or I can just
pull up and hit this mid range and I'm comfortable
doing that, and he shoots it. SGA shoots that mid
range at fifty five percent. That eliminates the need at
that high a percentage mid range. That eliminates your need
to be able to shoot threes or trade two for
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threes because now you've got to shoot the three at
a high percentage. Aunt shoots that same shot at closer
to forty percent and so that to me is the
big hole in Ant's game. And until he gets that,
or develops that, or focuses on that, he's going to
be limited and defenses are going to be able to
corral him.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The way that OKC has. One of the hardest things
for certainly fans and media but even execs to remember
is that you should fall in like with your stars,
not fall in love. Almost all players have holes and
flaws and whoever has the ball on your team. Too
many people I think fell in love with Harden. Harden
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didn't play defense, he was too ball centric, didn't play
well with others. Jalen Brunson, I don't think is as
naturally gifts it as Harden, but he doesn't defend. It
doesn't work on the floor with Kat a lot of
the time, and you know he needs the ball a lot.
So when I look at the Knicks, I know the
Knicks haven't been relevant forever. Like I get falling in love,
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but I look at him and I think he's not
ideal with his current roster. Move Cat find a catch
and shoot while maintaining some size like KD. Doesn't that
make some sense.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I would prefer KD over Cat just because I can.
He's more reliable as a scorer and he can catch
and shoot or operate off of one dribble. But what
I really need is to take one of the hats
off of Jalen Brunson, because he's not only mister Klutch.
He's not only their go to score, but he's also
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their playmaker. For the most part, you can't really play
through Cat or anybody else on that team. What I need,
and these names aren't nearly as sexy as KD, but
Demanta Sabonis and what he does for the Sacramento Kings
as a triple double threat.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
They've played through.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Him these past three a couple of years, and he's
demonstrated that he can be a playmaker or a Franz Wagner.
It's the Lebron James Luka Doncicch type that is not
dominating the ball as a scorer. I can use Jalen
for that, but I can't use him for both. And
there is the element. Look, I think that Jalen tries
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to play defense. I think that he can play defense
in certain situations. But there's just a limit when you're
six feet one hundred and ninety pounds or so to
expect you to win every matchup offensively and then be
able to defend your position. In today's uber athletic NBA
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is a lot to ask.
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Speaker 1 (09:49):
Finally, you know, I always notice on TikTok one of
the things you see just a bevy of is this
fitness world we live in, where eat this and do this.
And I always think to myself, people are what they are.
You can change for an hour, but by February people
who signed up for the gym are back to not
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going to the gym. So I hear that Luca, his
conditioning is really changing, and I think he likes his beer,
he likes his off seat.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Right, what do you make of the Luca?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I just in the end, I think he is what
he is.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Right, Colin, if we wanted to, we could have had
this conversation in twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I've seen this iteration.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I've seen the reports, I've seen the video clips, I've
seen him working out, it's like, oh, he's slimmed down.
I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
He's not alone.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
There's a lot of other players I've seen who was like, oh,
he's in shape or he's lost weight. The challenge is
is over the course of the season, when you are
traveling and you've got weird hours and you're fatigued from games.
That's when the STEPH curve separate themselves. Where they get
in and they get their treatment, and then they get
in the weight room and they're setting that standard for
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themselves and for their entire team, and that is where
things have to change if they're going to change. For Luca,
He's still at a young enough age where I don't
want to say that it can't happen, because I've seen
other players realize, you know what, injury wise and everything else,
if I don't take care of better care of my body,
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I'm going to get into trouble. But that said, it can't.
It's not the off season is the easiest time to
take care of yourself. It's in the grind that you've
got to be disciplined.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, no question, You're on a flight from you know,
eleven forty five to two in the morning. You will revived.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
You can't sleep, and they've got food. Let me tell you,
I've been on those team flights. There's food outside the
locker room. There's food. There's there's food when you get
on the plane, and then they ask you what.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You'd like to have as a full meal.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
So the opportunity to put on weight is absolutely there
throughout the season.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Rick good Senior, as alas my man, you got it,
all right, j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
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Speaker 4 (12:16):
All right, Colin, let's start with the Green Bay Packers.
Haven't done much with them lately. They've kind of been quiet,
you know, maybe second, third or fourth in the division
this year. But Jordan Love has a new weapon on
the outside, a young fellow named Matthew Golden out of Texas.
He's a Burner, and his quarterback says, Golden looks like
a stud, looks like a very polished receiver. I'm excited
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to just see how far he could take it. My
question is, I don't know how Golden cracks the rotation
or what they do. They've got one of the best
receiving groups in the league. No Alpha, no superstar, but
a lot of good players, Christian Watson, Jade Reid, Romeo Dobbs.
What are your expectations for Golden.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And the Dobbs is inconsistent. Watson has heard a lot.
There's no problem having an extra receiver. My take would
be that the Green Bay Packers will go through camp
early stages of the season, will move one of those receivers,
you know, get a fifth round pick, or or get
a functional interior offensive lineman. But when I saw that
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draft pick, you know, that draft pick felt like to
me as they're disappointed with one of the receivers in
their room. It could be Watson because of his injuries.
But my take was they have a lot of good
tight ends, a lot of good receivers, and they drafted
another one. Sometimes teams tell you what they're thinking about
their personnel during draft and free agency, and I thought
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they told you they're going to move off one of
their young receivers and somebody. They've got four guys that
have moments.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It could be Dobbs.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
He had the incident when he was Ben Slash last
season for like Bet getting upset with his touches. Wix
is another guy who's pretty good, big body guy, but that.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Is interesting a trade chip.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Let's move off one of the other guys creates a
new room for Golden. I don't hate that. Golden looks
like a lot of Jaden Reid, who emerges a potential stud.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, he didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Late in a big game.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I think it might have been a one game late
in the season. I was like, where's Jade Reid?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So they got weapons.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I like the Packers, I just I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Know what to make of them. Call it next up.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Jannis has an idea. Okay, he is endorsing this USA
Versus the World All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Now, it's been floated before.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
But Jannis is now all of a sudden active on
social media ahead of potentially his trade summer. He is
floating a USA versus the World All Star Game, and Colin,
I'm not gonna lie. This looks pretty awesome. The problem is,
how do you get these guys to buy in when
Curry and Lebron are old eighties old, and then a
lot of the Europeans like they need the rest because
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they're carrying their teams. Janis, Jokic, Lucas.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
It's a bit of a tough sell.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I don't know how you make this interesting, but splitting
it into two certainly I mean a talent and it's just.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh I would, I would absolutely, in one second take
this over the current NBA All Start Game, not even
without question. You know, like we care about stuff in
this country when we're threatened or we lose, that's when
we really truly care. Watching one forty eight four doesn't
do it for me. I love the idea and this
I think it's smart.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
So I guess the counter would be like, what's the win?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Is the win?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
You get to pump up the USA or.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
The win the win is, you know, whenever the All
Star Game is February, whenever it is, people are talking
for two to three days about the NBA. There's some
social currency to it. That's the win something.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Final story Colin is Aaron Judge. Oh my gosh, this
guy's on a tear. He is hitting three ninety eight
right now, chasing four hundred. He's first or second in
almost every major batting category, trying to break Babe Roots
record for total basis which has stood since Is that
right nineteen twenty one? Oh my gosh, look at these
numbers for Judge first and average obp ops total bases,
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extra base hits, second in home runs after a Tani
went yard last night. Aaron Judge is absolutely cooking with
the Yankees, and I'd love a Yankees Dodgers rematch in
the World Series.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You get Judge vs.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Otani, which the.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Cubs may have something to say with that. Oo oh,
keep your on the Cubs. Just just keep your on
the cub Why don't you talk.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
About white Sox and then while you're at it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
No, let's not, let's not do that. Give me a flake.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
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Speaker 1 (17:02):
That's always what's interesting about Aaron Rodgers, who still hasn't
made a decision. Aaron didn't win enough big games and
there's reasons for it. I mean, even with Brady Manning
and Big Ben in the AFC. There was a thought
that Aaron would own the NFC. He didn't. He didn't
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even own the NFC, which had weaker quarterbacks, and so
my tickets. There's a reason he's not really a foxhole guy,
can be passive aggressive. I've been told this by he
wasn't as committed as other players like you know, Brady
and Manning. He wasn't obsessed. He had a life, and
so it's Oh, I've always said, it's very hard for me,
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what do you do with Marino and Aaron Rodgers? Because
the four or five things that matter when you judge
all time quarterbacks, super Bowl appearances and wins, division titles, productivity, MVP,
playoff record, and Aaron and Reno just don't match up. Now,
Aaron's closer than Dan Marino is. But Dan Marino had
Don Shula and got to won Super Bowl and couldn't
win Why. A little bit of a playboy, maybe not
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as obsessed with work ethic middle older later in his career,
didn't have his legs, a little bit stubborn, relied too
much on talent and not other factors. He had the coach,
it's a coach quarterback league. My entire life. He had
a running game, he had decent protection. So it's nothing
against Marino, but it's on Marino, it's not in anybody else.
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They had good ownership. So when you talk about all
these great plays, say what you want about Aikman. When
he had the opportunity to win titles, he did too
with Jimmy and one with Barry Switzer. He was a leader.
He maybe he didn't have the talent, but he won
when Bradshaw had the great defenses in Chuck Knowle, he
goes four and oh in super Bowls, and so you
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don't have to win all of them. Elway got blown
out multiple times. Mahomes has been blown out, but he
gets to them. Elway is getting to them over Josh
Allen and Lamar Jackson, and so like, I think Josh
Allen and Lamar are all time greats. But if they
truly are, they'll make a Super Bowl. They'll get the
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one or two. And so I've always been a huge
fan of Lamar Jackson, but if he doesn't get to
a super Bowl, then it's hard to put him in
that class. Right. He's just a winning regular season player.
And you know, a great example is golf is that
as great as Tiger Woods was, Phil Mickelson still won
six majors and forty five PGA events because he's an
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all time great, So I mean, as good as it
all was, and Fetter was, Djokovic is still winning those tournaments.
Three all time greats simultaneously. You could argue, although Feeder's
a little older in their prime, they still won those
all those majors because they're three all time greats, as
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McEnroe was, as Borg was, and they were simultaneously. I
think they were simultaneously in their prime. So that that's
the thing with Aaron. It's like Aaron Brady Manning and
Big Ben were on the other ledger. You got to
get to Super Bowls and he got the one, and
you could say, well, who do you have as coach?
He had offensive coaches? Well what did he have? Support?
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They always had good offensive lines. I mean, now Green
Bay doesn't get the free agents that other organizations do,
but I would argue in the last twenty five years
they've drafted better than any organization in the league. I
really believe that they draft and develop, especially O line,
They draft and develop as well as anybody in the league.
So it's I've always said I don't know what to do, because,
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as Aaron has been talking in the last couple of weeks,
he said, I don't want to play in Louisiana. I'm
not going to be a Saint, so where he plays matters.
He said he'd play for ten million dollars, so salary
doesn't matter. He's telling you it's not about the money,
it's about where I play. And at a recent event
he talked about, you know, he talked about maybe I
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could go to Green Bay. So I'm not even sure
right now if he wants to be a starter, But
I've if you retire today, where to put him. Jim Kelly,
by the way, who also played in another league. I mean,
think how good you can say what you want about
Jim Kelly. He got the four Super Bowls and a
lot of his career was in another league. So Jim
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Kelly has to be considered an all time Greade to me, Now,
he didn't win him. He was going up against the
Dynasty and the Dallas Cowboys, but the fact is Jim
got to four of them. So I think when you
talk about all time greats, if Aaron retired today, I've
never quite known like like, I've never quite known what
to do. Nick. Here was Aaron over the weekend asked
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about the possibility as retiring as a Packer.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
I've thought about that, and I don't understand what the
uh what the reason for that is. You know, at
the same time, I grew up a Niner fan and
most of my my favorite players retired as a Niner.
So I understand the thing about it. But if I
didn't do it, would that make a difference in how
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I'm viewed in the Packers' eyes. There's a lot of
love for me and how I feel about the team.
If I do, if I don't, I don't think you
should make a difference. I'm not sure yet. If they
approached me about it, I probably would.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
So Nick Wright and I were talking about this earlier.
If Aaron retired today, Nick says he's top ten, And
I struggle with it because the stuff that matters is
Super Bowl appearances and wins division titles. I mean, if
you can't win Super Bowls, you've got to dominate your division.
Big Ben dominates his division, Brady dominates his division. Got
to dominate your division. I want productivity. I'll give you
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some MVPs I do not care about passer rating at
all in your playoff record, and playoff records are they're hard.
Both Farv and Aaron Rodgers were around five hundred. I
get it. I think Farv has a couple more wins
than the playoffs, but it's hard you're playing the best teams.
But I also would say that green Bay has a
bit of a weather advantage. I mean for dome teams
and warm weather teams going to Green Bay. Like you
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can remember Michael Vick winning there, like it was so shocking.
You are not shocked when a cold weather team goes
down to a dome and wins. That's much easier. So
I don't know. I mean again, I'm not saying Aaron's
not a top twelve to fifteen quarterback of all time,
but when he's talking about retiring, he's a Hall of Famer.
He's first ballot. Some like far More. I always preferred
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Aaron as a quarterback. I thought he was more of
a thinking person's quarterback. I don't know what to do
with him all time, and I don't know what to
do with Dan Marino. NBA style matters, NFL winning matters,
especially in January and February and Marino didn't win a
lot there, And I think a lot of it's on Dan.
It's not on Shula, it's not on the organization. And
Aaron didn't win a lot, didn't dominate the NFC. I
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think some of it's on Aaron. I never thought he
was a fox old guy. People can push back, that's fine,
but that's kind of where we stand now. Here's Nick
earlier on Aaron Rodgers, sort of the all time debate
if he retired today since the merger.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I think there are to me, six guys I would
clearly have ahead of Aaron, and then five or six
guys he's right there with them. And the Marino part
is tricky because you're right, he's got none of the winning.
But the flip side to that is literally every person
that covered the league in the eighties or played, they
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all swear a blood oath that he's one of the
greatest players anyone's ever seen. And so I and I
feel like there is some of that same almost mythological
aspect to Aaron, which is guys who played with him
and against him talk about his talent in such an
amazing way.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, and maybe it's just as simple as this. Athletes
quarterbacks consider Aaron all time top ten, but I think
you have to consider this. If he is top ten,
what happens If Josh Allen wins a Super Bowl, He's
absolutely gonna push him out. What happens if Lamar wins
a Super Bowl with a seventy six percent winning percentage
in a division with Joe Burrow the Steelers, that could
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push him out. So if Aaron is top ten, it's
probably nine to ten ish, And there's no question Mahomes
is already in there. I'm not that far from I mean,
Alan May ended up being Marino, where you don't get
the Super Bowls, but you get everything else. And maybe
Josh Allen is our current Dan Marino. But in terms
(25:24):
of an athlete playing quarterback, I think Josh Allen's the
most talented quarterback I've ever seen, second hal Way, third
Mahomes just talent. The other thing is, I'll throw this
out there, Jay Mac, this is one we've talked about.
If Stafford wins another Super Bowl, you think it's crazy.
He was a better high school quarterback than Aaron, a
better college quarterback, a better first four year in the
(25:45):
league quarterback, and a much better quarterback late. I think
Stafford has signed that team friendly deal because I think
Stafford is aware that with another super Bowl he moves
into eight. I mean, you can say what you want
about Stafford. Look at Stafford's playoff record. He just had
the dysfunction of Detroit in the prime of his career.
But if Stafford wins another Super Bowl, I'm sorry, he
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is really close to top ten all time, really close,
because he's been a good regular season quarterback where Eli.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Wasn't settled down there, big guy. A lot of ifs
with Josh Allen and if Lamara and Stafford. Let's just
deal with the numbers. Because you mentioned Elway earlier. And
when I hear Elway and I say Rogers for sure,
I go down a rabbit hole. Colin, I know you're
not gonna want to hear this. Elway versus Rogers is
super interesting. I'll just start with this. Every statistical category
(26:35):
almost Aaron Rodgers destroys him, and I love Elway. Elway
has a better culture of winning super Bowls obviously, and comebacks.
John Away was the master of comebacks. Rogers does not
have a surprisingly low number of comebacks. That's right, But
if you just look at it from pure quarterbacking, Aaron
Rodgers is top five and that's undeniable.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
From the just remember Aaron's career is in a passing league.
Elway it was a much more defense could do anything
they wanted back then go look, go look at what
defense could do then to a wide receiver and a quarterback,
and I was.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Like, I was a huge fan of Elwick, was distraught
when he couldn't win until he got Durell Davis.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
But Rogers not top ten.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
That's one of your hotter takes.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Of twenty twenty five. I'm not saying he couldn't be eleven.
I'm not saying it's not five to five than ten.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
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