May 27, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin explains why people need to stop criticizing USC for not committing to their rivalry game with Notre Dame and why modern college football is similar to AI and it's time for people to adapt
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's hour two and it's a Tuesday.
Nick Wright, five minutes live in Chicago. It's The Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. So Jmac,
I've been on something I think for about I don't know,
three weeks or a month. People tell me I'm getting
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pushed back, you know, I don't know if I am,
but my take is take.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I thought it was maybe a supplement of Sunday.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
No, it's it's I'm not a big tradition guy. I
didn't go to church as a kid, and a lot
of people did, so I've never been a big romantic
about sports. So I saw something interesting this morning, and
with that, I would like to introduce America to a
pillar of decency, a standard of honesty and truth telling.
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That is unrivaled in America, right the La Times, who
now becomes the second media juggernaut in America, me being
the other that thinks the Notre Dame USC rivalry isn't
the beginning in the end of college football. It's just
another cool game. The La Times, in one of their graphs,
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said this morning us he is choosing to take the cold,
calculated route when it comes to this quandary whether to
play Notre Dame or not. I understand why why should
the Trojans be expected to carry the water for the
soul of college football at the cost of their own
playoff odds, while the rest of the sports leaders, USC's
own included made clear how much tradition really actually means
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to them. Yeah, the pac twelve folded. You can pay
high school players. Stop with this almost hackneyed sentimentality. The
world changes. Everything else is changing. You can deny AI
is going to change the world, but as you do it,
just auto corrected a text And I know your grandma
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would prefer a letter so at Graham's, but they're going
to get an emoji in FaceTime. That's the world we
live in. Yeah, I know. Once USC played in a
conference that had games against cal and Arizona and Arizona
State and Stanford, which often is awful and sometimes it's interesting,
and Washington State and Oregon State, and the only power
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consistently was Oregon, but now Oregon joined them, and now
they play Penn State and Michigan and Ohio State. In fact,
the three teams from the West that joined them, Ucla, Oregon,
and Washington are their biggest toughest rivals, two of them
cold weather games. So yeah, USC has said we'll play
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the game, but on our terms early where it's sunny,
and I don't blame them. Lincoln Riley is paid to
get to the playoffs, not cling to tradition. And I
said this yesterday. A November roadie in South Bend, Indiana
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is not attractive when the following week after going to
South Bend flying back to LA with nineteen year olds
flying back to Philadelphia, flying back home, you still have
a tournament a playoff to be in potentially. So it's
a different bomb game and college football has always had.
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I've looked at the demographics four years. It has an
older fan base, and older people in America generally cling
to tradition. I get at the number one question I'm asked.
I was asked on the train this morning. The number
one question I get asked, what do you make in
college sports? And my take is it's changing Sow's everything.
AI is going to change medicine, it's changing law. He
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was an attorney. It's changing everything. So it can change
college football. I think it's changing the NIL is changing
college basketball for the better. You just have to understand
now is the college football is now seventy five percent
of professional model, and it's not going backwards. Once you
introduce big money into anything, it doesn't go backwards. It
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doesn't retreat. And so if USC plays Notre Dame, great,
but USC doesn't need Notre Dame. Notre Dame refusing to
go in a true conference needs USC. So the pendulum
at this time in negotiations has swung to USC. I
know it's not valiant, as the La Times also pointed out,
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it doesn't show great courage or it's not a valiant move,
but it makes sense. Lincoln's paid to get to the playoff,
not to cling the games that frankly, the biggest rating
for college football last year, I think it was Texas
and Georgia. It wasn't Texas and Oklahoma. Here's Lincoln Riley
on the changes that are happening to his sport.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
There are some changes that we've all just got accept
because it's just part of it right now. Obviously that
continues to move and we'll see out evolves. But I
think any door that closes, well, there's also a new,
really exciting door that's getting opened, and we've got to
I think we can still love what was in the past,
but let's don't miss that there's some pretty cool things
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happening right in front of our face right now that
we're kind.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Of all in the forefront of If you're telling me,
USC is playing Penn State tomorrow, I'm watching, and Michigan
and Ohio State and Oregon and Georgia and Texas, I'm watching.
I don't think it's worth sacrificing another cold weather Roady
in November to appeal to traditionalists. You're not paid for courage,
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You're paid for winning. That's the bottom line with that,
Nick right, joining us live from New York Post. First
things first, Okay, so there's a lot of pushback on SGA,
and I made this argument an hour ago. Is that
style matters in basketball?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
You know?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Baseball is about stats. NBA, to some degree, winning matters,
but it's about style and people forever defended really flawed
players in Westbrook and Derreck Rose and John Wall and
Stevie Francis. They were dynamic and fun. And because Jokic,
or especially Sga is not a lot of fun to watch,
we hammer on him. But he is so consistently brilliant
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at what he does using his lateth, three pointers, two points,
mid range free throws that it's like, guys and your thing,
Nick is when he scores forty and thirty, it connects
to wins. He's not a selfish player. It means they
went Kobe could score forty in the Lakers world worst team.
Are you in this sort of this kind of tunnel
of criticism, I have not heard enough to make no.
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I just see a pro, A refined pro. That's what
I see.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Well, first of all, you break my heart. You go
to Chicago, ride the train, don't have time to listen
to my takes anymore. You get no idea Where I
stand on Sga. It's unbelievable. It was well established, but
so let me listen. I think both can be true Colin,
and I think he was the rightful MVP. I don't
have a vote, but if I did, I would have
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given it to him. He won the MVP by a
decent margin over a player a lot of people believe
is one of the fifteen greatest players ever, still in
his prime. He almost won the MVP last year. He
is getting the idea that SGA is not appreciated. I
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don't think is accurate. That can be true. While this
can also be true. The falling on the ground like
you were shot is unappealing, and I think that there
is a It is consistent throughout recent NBA history that
the guys who we feel like not just sell contact
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but invent fake contact to get a call. We recoil
from that a bit. I think SGA is a brilliant player.
I think SGA is clearly the going to not only
win his first championship this year, but win a finals
MVP this year. Last night, forty nine and ten that
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type of performance to, in my opinion, get over the
last hurdle the thunder really have to winning a championship
was an all time night. I can believe all of that,
while also believing he would be a slightly more popular
player if he didn't three times a game fall over
without anyone touching him, and another two or three times
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a game do the harden hook a guy's arm and
create the contact that way it can be. And this
last point I'll make on it. You don't get everything
in life. And if one of the things you said
that SGA gets that other guys don't is some of
these calls. So one of the things he sacrifices to
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get that might be universal approval rating such as life
like people make their choices. He is a brilliant, brilliant player,
and that team's gonna win the championship.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I want to talk aunt for a second. I believe artists,
most artists at their core, want to be heard and seen.
You could be a painter, you could be a basketball player,
you could be a talk show host. That we're all
selfish to some degree. But now we live in this
world of collaboration and sharing and all getting along. And
it's my knock on Jason, them stop being collaborative. Take
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the game over and aunt last night's like, well, I
didn't get a lot of shots. I don't want to
hear that you can't have one shot in the first quarter,
like be selfish. Michael was selfish, magic convert at times.
Michaale watched me perform. Michael Scotty, I'll take the shots
this idea. Like Tatum and Aunt are both more collaborative
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and great teammates. It hurts the team. I want you
to be selfish at times. Is that a bad take?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Well, no, I don't think it's a bad take. Last
night's game is odd, though, because they scored one hundred
and twenty six points. They scored forty in the fourth quarter.
Their problem was not their offense. Their problem was they
couldn't get a stop. And Okc's Big three. The stat
of the day for you, Colin, is this The big
three in Oklahoma City last night scored more points combined
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in a playoff game than Katie, Russ and Harden ever did.
They scored an like that. That's why Minnesota loss. Now,
so I understand what Ant is saying, but the obvious
retort is, Okay, that's fine. You can't take two shots
in the first half of a must win game. He
just can't. And it's not as if it happened because
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he had seventeen assists, like he was doing a good
job making the right read but we have seen at
various times where he can get somewhat taken out of
the game by a defensive scheme in a way that
a guy who's a potential one day MVP, you wish
he wouldn't with the obvious defensive ant at all times.
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Is he's twenty three, Like this is the next step
in his learning process. It is a bummer that it
would appear in back to back years. They you know,
outplayed their seed. They had a pretty big upsets along
the way to the conference finals and then conference vinyls
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Aunt was not quite at his best, but he is
still ahead of schedule for what he individually and his
team have accomplished at this point in his career.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, I said earlier, go back to the eighties, Michael
played the Pistons, a great defensive team and he had
bad halves. Like it's part of the maturation stage. So
you know, we got into a discussion yesterday, is that
I understand a New York star. I mean, if Aaron
Judge played with the Royals, he would be great. We
wouldn't talk about him. If Otani was with the Angel Lobby, I.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Mean, I'm not going to allow you to do that.
In the future face of baseball, Bobby Baseball in Kansas City.
But go ahead, sorry, as you were.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I mean, O Tawni with the Dodgers is different, you know,
ten miles up the road from Otani with the Angels.
And so I understand Brunson is the best quarterback in
New York. But we got into this thing yesterday where
you can't now have Brunson on the court with Kat.
It's it's a defensive problem and he's very ball centric.
So you have to find the right players, like a
KD that can catch and shoot. And if you're asking
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me tomorrow who I would start my franchise with Brunson
or Halliburton. Halliburton can play with anybody. He's effective when
he's not storing. He's a better defensive player. He can
also shoot. But I could put him with any I
always felt this about like Klay Thompson. He would have
fit on every team KD like that when when when
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Lebron's with your team, he is the ecosystem. Brunson's not Lebron.
But as I watch Brunson, I think it's been a
really good tell that Cat's not going to be the future,
and that KD fits better, and that Halliburton has a
brighter future because he made he works with every player.
Everybody works with Halliburton. Brunson is player and style specific.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Okay, so that's I There's there's a lot there. So
I understand your point about that Halliburton can fit, you know,
play better with others, so to speak. I still don't
think he's a better player than Jalen Brunson. And it's close,
but I still think Jalen Brunson's ceiling and upside is higher.
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And I when you listen, you're right that Halliburton is
a better defender, but that I mean Halliburton's not exactly
locking anyone down like that. Brunson is a minus defender,
maybe a minus minus defender, and Halliburton is just a
slightly minus defender. He's not doing a lot of the
defensive work for Indiana. And to listen, Halliburton is a
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better distributor, but Brunson is a far better score. I
don't put the Halliburton. I'm sorry the Brunson cat struggles
at times when they're on the court together, primarily on
Jalen Brunson. I put it more on Cat, and I
think Kat needs to be more assertive with the ball
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at times. I also think it is smart if Tom
Thibodeau would stagger them a bit more than he does.
And when Kat is out there without Brunson, he has
to look at it as these are my shots, this
is my offense, and that doesn't necessarily just mean shooting threes,
even though he's a great three point shooter. My biggest
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disagreement with you is this, like, if you're the New
York Knicks, you cannot trade Karl Anthony Towns for Kevin Durant.
Kevin Durant. I understand your point that do I think
like in a vacuum, that style of player would fit
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better with Jalen Brunson, a guy who's just catching shoot
and has already been in an offense where he is
the epicenter, where he's not the epicenter. All that. I
get that, But just because KD is going to be
thirty eight and is not injury wise reliable, I wouldn't
do it. I also think people have written the Knicks
obituary too early. I think the Knicks are going to
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win tonight, and I still think they are going to
win this series. And I think that if that happens,
we might look at it like the Pacers obviously underrated
by a lot of us throughout the year, back to
back conference finalists, but we might maybe got a little
ahead of ourselves anointing them as the future of the
Eastern Conference.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Okay, I said this yesterday there was There's been a
couple of sound bites where Aaron Rodgers said, I'm not
going to play in Louisiana. I'm not going to be
a saint, so where he plays matters, clearly. He's also
been quoted saying or a source close to him saying,
I think he said it, I'd play for ten million dollars,
So money's not driving force. Yeah, so location matters, money doesn't.
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And then he recently said he was a kind of
a Q and A that I go back to Green Bay.
Well that means you don't even see yourself necessarily, you'd
go back to family and not even be a starter.
So all of it feels like to me, he's an
inch from retirement. That said, I don't count passer rating
touas Garoppolos is higher than Josh Allen, Manning and Brady
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take passer rating out. It's nonsense. It doesn't mean anything.
Russell Wilson's is a mile higher than Kurt Warner and
Brady and Manning and Big Ben and Josh Allen. It
doesn't matter now. Now Maholmes is great. It can matter,
but it's not a defining trait. And I said, if
Aaron retired today, he is my Dan Marino? What do
I do? Basketball style, baseball stats, football is winning? Aaron's
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got one iconic playoff moment. I don't know. If I
don't know if Marino has any What do I do
for a one appearance in the Super Bowl? Five hundred
playoff guy? The MVPs matter some Where do we classify
Aaron all time in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
I don't. I think we'll agree on this. Outside of
the top five, inside the top ten?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
I I Oh, you don't think he's top ten all time?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
No, No, I think he's out of it. I think
FARV is like nine to ten.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Okay, so then can we this kind off the top
of my head? But like, let's just go tell me.
Here are the guys I would clearly have ahead of Aaron, Okay,
Brady Mahomes, Montana.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
L Way.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
I would have Marino ahead of Aaron Peyton's one obvious one.
I'm sorry, did I not say Peyton? Yes, Peyton, Yes,
I knew there was an obvious when I'm leaving. So
there are my six I have ahead of it.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Okay, go ahead, Terry Bradshaw, I mean, how many times
do you have to win the Super Bowl? How about
Aikman's got three super Bowls? I mean that more than
Rider season?
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Hold on, I love well, So this is a true.
I love Troy. Troy is not better player than Aaron
Rodgers and Troy had I mean Troy was, Troy was
an excellent quarterback on an all time team. I don't
I personally can't put Troy ahead of Aaron. I also
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though the Terry to me is on that same tier. Like,
let me ask you this because this is and I'm
not a you know, Aaron's last five years I think
Had you know, left a lot of us wanting a
lot on and off the field. But do you think
Aaron rot like Aaron versus Drew Brees, I feel like
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you have to put Aaron ahead of him. I think
they both have.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Tell me, I think it's inches, but I would put
Aerin ahead of Breeze by an inch. But I don't
put Breeze as a top ten guy because I think
I think Maholmes has knocked several players out of it.
I was always an Aaron guy over a far of guy.
I think he's a smarter player and he's more on schedule.
But I think what happened to Aaron is once Brady.
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I've told you this before. When Brady and Manning started
compiling trophies, Aaron got overly protective of his passer rating
and became agree with this, became a much more a
safer player in big games. He started playing to protect
his passer rating, and that, to me is started the
downward trend in big games. If he had a pick,
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if he had two, he just wouldn't make certain throws.
And I think that's seven days.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Yeah, I think that's totally fair. I think that's right,
And I will give you credit that you when you
and I first got to know each other, you were
making a similar point, and I thought you were crazy.
And I've come around more to your side of things.
I still think that Bradshaw, Staubach, Farv Rogers are all
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to me in that you know of them. Again, I'm
not gonna do Unitis and baw and those I don't
know how to do those. If we just basically go
with bart Starr, like since the merger, I think there
are to me six guys I would clearly have ahead
of Aaron, and then five or six guys He's right
there with them. And the Marino part is tricky because
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you're right, he's got none of the winning. But the
flip side to that is literally early every person that
covered the league in the eighties or played, they all
swear a blood oath that he's one of the greatest
players anyone's ever seen. And so I and I feel
like there is some of that same almost mythological aspect
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to Aaron, which is guys who played with him and
against him talk about his talent in such an amazing way.
I also would ask this before we move on. I
would he firmly be looked at as top ten, even
if it's tenth. If he had simply retired after his
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last year in Green Bay? Is it everything that's happened
the last couple of years has that hurt him? I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
You say no, okay no, Because I watched Michael Jordan
play for the Wizards. I went to one of those games,
maybe two, and it doesn't matter. And I think, I
mean unitis ended up. I swear on the West Coast.
I don't think it matters. I think we take I mean,
I've said this before. Marlon Brand had like six legendary
movies and eight bombs. Tom Cruise was in Vanilla Sky
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and Rock of Ages. We look at your greatest work,
we don't we. I mean Tom Cruise couldn't figure out
he was just an action star until six years ago
when he finally figured out this is what people like. No,
I love Tom Cruise, but I mean he when he
finally came to terms with the more I run, the
more people love me. The more stuff I do stunts,
the more they love me. And he was always a
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good actor, but it was like he it takes time
to define what you are as an artist, and when
he did, he was great. And I think I look
at Aaron and Marino and I'm like, what are the
moments I did not have?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
That birds fair? That Bard's fair. Also last point on this,
I'm glad good for you that you were able to
watch those Jordan games with the Wizards, because the NBA
has burned the film of it so nobody else can
watch him. That was one of that was like wille
hundred point game. You had to be there in the
stadium that moment if you want to see anything about it.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
By the way, one more and the Kaitlin Clark stuff
is amazing. I was talking to Danny Parkins about this,
and there's all sorts of things that get people are
getting worked up over. But here is the one thing
beyond that. Merchandise sales went up five hundred percent. The
valuation of the team, an awful team that had the
number one pick, went from ninety million to three hundred
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and forty million. I think her only comp is Tiger Woods.
I don't even think Michael and Lebron match this. This
is a sport we didn't watch, and now I find myself.
I was hanging out with family this weekend and a
bunch of the college kids were there and they're like, Oh,
if Kaylan Clark's on, that's what the frat's watching over everything,
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I don't even know. I mean, I think we're under
selling her impact. What say you?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Oh, well, listen, I mean I guess it. You know,
depending on who you're talking to, if it's under sold,
I think you're right that it is Tiger Woods is
the best comp in that it took a sport that
was incredibly popular a small segment of the population, and
one person made it seemingly mainstream. And this is where
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I would encourage people who are big time pre Caitlin
Clark WNBA fans or women's basketball fans to embrace this
rather than pushback against it. Do you know who the
biggest beneficiaries of Tiger Woods were other golfers, Ronniels and
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Sergio Garcia and Phil Mickelson and David Duval and all
and these folks who became bigger celebrities and wealthier and
more popular because there were more people coming to the party.
I think, you know, one of the biggest winners from
Caitlan Clark is going to be Asia Wilson, who is
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still the best player in the sport. I think Paige
Becker's who it could be a real rivalry with Caitlin
Clark over the next decade. She's a winner from this.
I think there's I know some people have tried to
force and understandably so, Caitlin versus Angel. The problem is,
like right now, Angel is a very good defensive player,
and good rebounder. She is not a great player yet,
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and so Caitlin's real rivalry is going to be with
the other great players. But it's gonna be so good
for everyone associated with the sport. And so it's gonna
be great for the defending champion, New York Liberty, and
so there are there are a lot of complicated things
surrounding the WNBA. This one is not one of them.
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Having a super nova celebrity the awesome at your sport
and bringing more people to the party is good for
everyone in the sport.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, no, it's interesting. I remember Marcomira was one of
the first golfers that really befriended, befriended Tiger and he's like, guys,
this is really good. And it took Markomira, a veteran
smart guy, to say like, hey, guys, stop the pushback.
I'm waiting for the WNBA star in a league to
come out and just say, guys, ladies, what are we
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doing here? And it may take that because I think
you remember. I can remember being a sportscaster and get
complaints all the time. All you guys talk is Tiger
and I'm like, have you watched him? Do you see
what's happening. He's like incredible. So I do think what
could really be helpful for Caitlin is getting some peer
and like an Asian Wilson level player, let's get five
or six in the league to just say, guys, we
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gotta be we're crazy here. We're all flying private now.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Well, and I think listen, because Caitlin came out with
some kind of off the court social commentary, I think
after last year that I think, really in a positive way,
struck a chord with some of the veterans in the league.
And I know Asia Wilson did come out and say
how much that mattered. I think it's tricky when it
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is yes, it is a rising tide aspect, but then
it is also a but you're not yet better than me,
and you're young and so like there. I understand the
competitive rivalries pieces of it, but it is great for
the sport and it's great for sports fans, like as
I learned just from being an indie this past week.
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The more cool events we have that are well produced,
that are championship level that millions of people are into,
the better it is for everyone. It's just more fun,
and so I think it's all positive.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Nick Riot. First things first, Continia Boddy, see you com Yeah,
it's you know, it's I've heard this pushback. Well, Caitlin's
not the best WNBA player. Well, Steph's not the best
NBA player and never has been. But he's the most
interesting and affected the most change. You don't have to be,
you know, the best actor to be the most popular, right,
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Like Tom Cruise is the most popular actor in America.
Is he the best actor? Well, he's really good. I
don't you know, I'm not an artist. I don't know
how he's judged. He's never won an Oscar, He's won
a lot of Golden Globes, So I don't think kaylor there.
I mean, this is just the way it works. Like
Connor McGregor, Tiger was the best golfer and the most
popular and Connor McGregor. I think John Jones is a
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better all time fighter, but Connor was the most popular
and most polarizing and maybe was the second or third
best fighter. But I don't think that diminishes what Caitlin
Clark's doing, not being the best player, she's the best
guard and in a recent anonymous poll, more gms in
that space, that league the WNBA would start their franchise
with her in Chicago.
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Speaker 1 (28:45):
Both J Mack and Nick Wright like the New York
Knickerbuckers Tonight on the road. I do not see it
that way. The line is only two, which surprised me, jmck.
I thought it would be like three and a.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Half to four here in the last couple hours. So
a lot of people think that Pacers bounce back. I've
got some numbers.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I'm writing it.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I just wrote it up for Fox Sports dot Com.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I like the next tonight.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
All right, Jmak with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
This is the Herd Line news, Colin.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
We're gonna start with the NFL and the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
We know they're favored obviously in.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
The AFC East, but you and a lot of people
seem to like the New England Patriots. Our staff put
together an interesting tidbit. Check out all these new additions. Obviously,
besides the head coaching, the offensive coordinator. I did not realize.
I know they spent like drunken sailors in free agency.
But look at how many potential starters they added Colin.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I mean, we know Dix is.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Gonna start coming off the injury should be good. Matt
Collins is going to be a valuable addition for them.
They steal Morgan Moses from the Jets. They got a
new center, Bradbury, I believe from Minnesota. This team may
have like eight or nine new starters, so there could be.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
A little lag time in them jelling early.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
But I do believe they will come on strong and
be a contender for a wild card five.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, I don't think they're a great team. I think
there's about six teams every year to seven that can
play for the championship. But but but, like I mean,
last year is a great example. Denver made the playoffs.
We didn't. We didn't see them as a team that
was a viable conference championship contender. That's not going to
be New England. But coaching stability, elevation of a young quarterback,
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and line play will be noticeably better. They'll be they'll
be at least competent offensively, and they were not last year.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
You know the worst part about this is as a
Jets fan for my entire life. There was a window
when Brady left. Yeah he's gone, baby, here we come.
It's Jets time. And the Jets had a window. They
had Sala, they had Rogers. That thing closed so damn quickly.
What do they say when God closes a door, he
opens a window. I mean, it didn't happen. For the Jets,
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they opened up like it didn't happen. And Colin, I
hate to say it, but Aaron Glendy, there's people don't
want to say there's pressure on him. But if the
Patriots suddenly built up to nine or.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Ten, well they will. They will a young quarterback on.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
A rookie deal, and Rabel it's well, we're screwed again.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well if you look, I mean, and this always happens.
That's why it matters if you're a well run business,
because dynasties are formed. There's all time great performers, coaches
and businesses. You may have sixteen to twenty months to
take advantage of a situation. A Peyton Manning gets hurt,
Brady leaves town, and the Jets are not well run,
(31:37):
so they're not They're not like I owe, there are
opportunities like Minnesota right now, May Yo Kitch gets hurt,
Oh maybe SGA gets hurt, and they're they're good enough
and well run and well coached enough. With Connorley the
GM and Chris Finch and Aunt. You could look at
Minnesota saying they're probably never going to be champs, but
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they're built if there was a key injury that they
would be ready and catapulted to championship level. If you're
well built, you still may never win a title, but
you're in the running if you get a break like
like you know, prime example is Phil Mickelson was always
capable of winning a major. Tiger was there, but if
Tiger gets hurt, Tiger misses a major, Tiger gets injured,
(32:21):
you're there ready to win that major. And I think
that that's the Jets problem is they're just not built
well enough to take advantage of a fifteen to eighteen
month window.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Great great example there.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Remember how the Raptors had Lowry and de rozen in
the backwood forever and they just couldn't get by Lebron.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
He was just sleeping them every year.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Well, guess what happens the one year Kawhi Leonard becomes
available we're going all in.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Kevin Durant goes down, play gets hurt, and they get
the luckiest title in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Sorry, Toronto had to get that, but.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
They were built for it. They were always well run
and well coached, and they had good roster construction. They
got a break and they took advantage of it.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Listen, everybody needs a break, no doubt about that. Colin
Next is your main man. Austin Reeves. We can't call
him Ar fifteen, that's a dumb nickname. However, Austin Reeves.
We've been doing a lot of stuff on him lately
because you seem to think they need to move off
of him. Well, Austin Reeves's agent tweeted, next year is
going to be a show.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
People really have no idea what's to come.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Keep putting him in trade rumors for second string centers.
I tried to tell you last week, Cowhard, that junk
ain't happening. They're not moving off Reeves. Lebron loves him,
Luca loves him, but he's a homegrown guy. He's a massive,
great skill set. He had a rough series against Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Oh my gosh. You know they're not moving off of Colin.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
That's time and then just own what your reality is
going to be. Is that Lucas not malite defender. Austin isn't.
You don't have a rim protector and Lebron's good defensively
in moments, You're.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Gonna get a rim protector.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Kelry.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, here's the numbers on Reeves.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
We got to you know Staton that the staff wants
to sandbag me here thirty one percent for three. Did
not have a great series. That's undeniable. They were third
in the West. The Lakers will be back. Listen my
hottest take. They got me in trouble last night on
social media. There was only two teams here to take down. Okay,
see the Celtics Tatum goes down and the others the Lakers.
The Lakers were built for this team. Luca owns OKC
(34:16):
both are gone and the thunder now have our runway
to the championship, which I'll save some of that stuff
for Friday. Final story is OKC and Shay Gilders. Alexander
aka the.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Free throw Merchant.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Colin fans in Minnesota have been chanting free throw merchant
when he's at the line.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Here's what SGA had to say about the chance.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
In terms of the label. I don't care. I never cared.
I said this before, Lank. I've shot more Fritos in
the season than I did this season. I think because
we're on the top of everyone's radar, it's a little
bit more noticeable and now people care about it. But
I kind of see it as a compliment, so.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I need to just clear something up.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
It's not about how many times he goes to the line, Colin.
It's a style of plaything, right, people watch. He is
a flopper. He makes Lebron look like a non flopper. Okay,
every time he goes into the lane, he's hooking.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
People to bring him in and that, oh my god,
like he got shot. Okay, Colin.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
It's a thing, and it's people say, well, what about Brunson.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
It's not even close.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Brunson doesn't flop like SGA because of SGA's frame.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
He's like a long what is he six five sixty six?
Speaker 5 (35:31):
He's long and wiry, and he's always acting like he's
just like doing dance moves. I'm just telling you it's annoying,
and Colin, you're probably gonna get here later in the week.
This is a boring team. Okay, see, is not really fun.
Watch their brand, watch the quotes.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
They've kind of just suck the fun out of the series.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Anthony Edwards, your guy face of the league, he hasn't.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
It's not fun this series.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Well, and I've said this before, you could take out
four NBA players all time, Magic Bird, Michael, and Steph,
and you could argue that the NBA is not as
popular as the media makes it believe, like there's only
been four to now. Shaq and Kobe as a tandem
(36:19):
were great, but the NBA has only had four or
five players, and even Doctor j didn't get a big
TV rating. Many of the Celtics teams did not. Jason
Tatum doesn't, Michael did, Magic Bird did, Steph Curry, Shaq,
Shaq and Kobe, Tim Duncan, Akeem Olaja one great players
didn't move the needle. So my take is, yes, Yokichen Denver,
(36:42):
I love watching them play, don't move the needle. Spurs
and Duncan didn't move the needle. The Celtics, by the way,
you think because of the brand, they're collaborative. Tatum's not
really the oral alpha guy. They don't move the needle.
So wh people, here's what I know. The NBA got
seven the six billion dollars. They got what they wanted.
(37:03):
It's up to the networks to make it work. Hockey
nobody's watching it. So the baseball regular season problematic. NBA
is fine.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
So this is a great discussion. And you keep saying
move the needle. The antiquated version in the eighties and
nineties was TV ratings. Now there are more metrics calling,
there's merch and NBA players they've merched than any baseball, hockey,
NFL player on the planet.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Try and if I don't.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Know if you determine the needle as social media, but
like LaMelo Ball, who I don't think has ever won
a playoff game, has more followers on Instagram than any
NFL player, any hockey player.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Like, no, they move the needle.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Culturally, Yeah, no, no, no, this you and I agree
on this. I've said it before. The NBA got their money.
They culturally matter, they matter with apperil its style and culture.
It's hockey, has has an hockey is Canada's, It's Europe's basketball.
We feel like it's ours and our stars. Also in
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my lifetime and more than ever. One thing that really
moves the needle in this country star power. It can
be movies, it can be music, it can be basketball,
NBA as Owa's had five or six guys that are
you could go into any household in America. Basketball, casual sports, casuals.
They've heard of Stephan Lebron like and that hockey doesn't
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have that and baseball doesn't usually have that.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
And the other thing is like the stars, the Hollywood,
the celebrity row at Madison Square Garden, like that stuff pumps.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
It up and makes it culturally relevant.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
I do you know, I don't think that Okac has
a lot of swag.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
If you will, like SGA seems like a great guy.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
They're a boring watch. I admit fun.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Put them on Opening Night? Did they put them on Christmas?
Did they put the pacers on Christmas?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Like?
Speaker 6 (38:52):
No, the NBA.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
No, there's no wattage there, there's no cultural relevance.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
A great example when Jannis was winning a title and
there were playoffs games, they put the Bucks on it
one in the afternoon often on NBA TV like just
and Giannis is an all time great.
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Bucker Last Hour. So it's the SEC media days. And
we were talking earlier about Lincoln Riley just strategically in
USC saying there's a lot of changes happening, and I've
defended USC saying his job is to make the playoffs,
not to appeal to college football traditionalists, where the sentimal
sentimentality can be a little over the top. I mean,
(40:47):
the Pac twelve doesn't even exist anymore. And one of
the reasons is because the only three teams that followed
USC to the Big Ten were the three biggest rivals,
the three toughest teams for USC to beat, which is
or Bregan, especially in Eugene, Washington, especially at Husky Stadium,
and crossdown rival UCLA, indepenn State, Ohio State, Michigan. And
(41:10):
that doesn't even count the playoff. And so like USC
is like I'm not sure I want to play Notre Dame.
And if we do, got to be early in the season.
We'll do it. You know, maybe a two year contract,
not twelve. Notre name obviously wants it. So USC has
you can see this has softened and lightened up their schedule,
Missouri State, Georgia, Southern. They've done that. That is based
(41:34):
on joining the Big Ten. And what they want to
do is in these years in which you have these
brutal cold weather games. We saw what cold weather did
to USC last year in their initial season. Hey, they struggled.
You know, it's a warm weather program. And I've said this,
there's never been an NFL Dome dynasty. It is different
when you play in nine degrees like Kansas City, Green Bay,
(41:57):
New England, Baltimore, Philadelphia. You're used to it. And so
here's Sark talking about the world's changed and the days
of just running through your conference and being undefeated are over.
Sark basically saying basic, Okay, the screen, Okay, the screen
right now, Okay, here we go. Sark says, when it
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comes to college football changes, I don't think we'll ever
see an undefeated national champ again. If we do build
a statue, hopefully we're getting to the point where the
best teams make the playoff. That's why I said last
year it was great that Ohio State could lose early
to Oregon and late to Michigan and still be invited
(42:39):
to the playoff, because it was in my entire life
when you lost. For the record, Notre Dame lost an
early game at home, and we wondered, aloud, are they
out of the playoff? Why?
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Why?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
That's why they want USC. That's why they just signed
a deal with Clemson. Notre Dames, these big, big traditional games,
they need top twenty programs. USC's got plenty of them.
They're full of top twenty programs up and down the
schedule going forward.
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Here we go. It's hour two and it's a Tuesday.
Nick Wright, five minutes live in Chicago. It's The Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. So Jmac,
I've been on something I think for about I don't know,
three weeks or a month. People tell me I'm getting
(00:46):
pushed back, you know, I don't know if I am,
but my take is take.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I thought it was maybe a supplement of Sunday.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
No, it's it's I'm not a big tradition guy. I
didn't go to church as a kid, and a lot
of people did, so I've never been a big romantic
about sports. So I saw something interesting this morning, and
with that, I would like to introduce America to a
pillar of decency, a standard of honesty and truth telling.
(01:17):
That is unrivaled in America, right the La Times, who
now becomes the second media juggernaut in America, me being
the other that thinks the Notre Dame USC rivalry isn't
the beginning in the end of college football. It's just
another cool game. The La Times, in one of their graphs,
(01:42):
said this morning us he is choosing to take the cold,
calculated route when it comes to this quandary whether to
play Notre Dame or not. I understand why why should
the Trojans be expected to carry the water for the
soul of college football at the cost of their own
playoff odds, while the rest of the sports leaders, USC's
own included made clear how much tradition really actually means
(02:03):
to them. Yeah, the pac twelve folded. You can pay
high school players. Stop with this almost hackneyed sentimentality. The
world changes. Everything else is changing. You can deny AI
is going to change the world, but as you do it,
just auto corrected a text And I know your grandma
(02:26):
would prefer a letter so at Graham's, but they're going
to get an emoji in FaceTime. That's the world we
live in. Yeah, I know. Once USC played in a
conference that had games against cal and Arizona and Arizona
State and Stanford, which often is awful and sometimes it's interesting,
and Washington State and Oregon State, and the only power
(02:47):
consistently was Oregon, but now Oregon joined them, and now
they play Penn State and Michigan and Ohio State. In fact,
the three teams from the West that joined them, Ucla, Oregon,
and Washington are their biggest toughest rivals, two of them
cold weather games. So yeah, USC has said we'll play
(03:09):
the game, but on our terms early where it's sunny,
and I don't blame them. Lincoln Riley is paid to
get to the playoffs, not cling to tradition. And I
said this yesterday. A November roadie in South Bend, Indiana
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is not attractive when the following week after going to
South Bend flying back to LA with nineteen year olds
flying back to Philadelphia, flying back home, you still have
a tournament a playoff to be in potentially. So it's
a different bomb game and college football has always had.
(03:50):
I've looked at the demographics four years. It has an
older fan base, and older people in America generally cling
to tradition. I get at the number one question I'm asked.
I was asked on the train this morning. The number
one question I get asked, what do you make in
college sports? And my take is it's changing Sow's everything.
AI is going to change medicine, it's changing law. He
(04:13):
was an attorney. It's changing everything. So it can change
college football. I think it's changing the NIL is changing
college basketball for the better. You just have to understand
now is the college football is now seventy five percent
of professional model, and it's not going backwards. Once you
introduce big money into anything, it doesn't go backwards. It
(04:35):
doesn't retreat. And so if USC plays Notre Dame, great,
but USC doesn't need Notre Dame. Notre Dame refusing to
go in a true conference needs USC. So the pendulum
at this time in negotiations has swung to USC. I
know it's not valiant, as the La Times also pointed out,
(04:55):
it doesn't show great courage or it's not a valiant move,
but it makes sense. Lincoln's paid to get to the playoff,
not to cling the games that frankly, the biggest rating
for college football last year, I think it was Texas
and Georgia. It wasn't Texas and Oklahoma. Here's Lincoln Riley
on the changes that are happening to his sport.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
There are some changes that we've all just got accept
because it's just part of it right now. Obviously that
continues to move and we'll see out evolves. But I
think any door that closes, well, there's also a new,
really exciting door that's getting opened, and we've got to
I think we can still love what was in the past,
but let's don't miss that there's some pretty cool things
(05:41):
happening right in front of our face right now that
we're kind.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Of all in the forefront of If you're telling me,
USC is playing Penn State tomorrow, I'm watching, and Michigan
and Ohio State and Oregon and Georgia and Texas, I'm watching.
I don't think it's worth sacrificing another cold weather Roady
in November to appeal to traditionalists. You're not paid for courage,
(06:08):
You're paid for winning. That's the bottom line with that,
Nick right, joining us live from New York Post. First
things first, Okay, so there's a lot of pushback on SGA,
and I made this argument an hour ago. Is that
style matters in basketball?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
You know?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Baseball is about stats. NBA, to some degree, winning matters,
but it's about style and people forever defended really flawed
players in Westbrook and Derreck Rose and John Wall and
Stevie Francis. They were dynamic and fun. And because Jokic,
or especially Sga is not a lot of fun to watch,
we hammer on him. But he is so consistently brilliant
(06:48):
at what he does using his lateth, three pointers, two points,
mid range free throws that it's like, guys and your thing,
Nick is when he scores forty and thirty, it connects
to wins. He's not a selfish player. It means they
went Kobe could score forty in the Lakers world worst team.
Are you in this sort of this kind of tunnel
of criticism, I have not heard enough to make no.
(07:10):
I just see a pro, A refined pro. That's what
I see.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Well, first of all, you break my heart. You go
to Chicago, ride the train, don't have time to listen
to my takes anymore. You get no idea Where I
stand on Sga. It's unbelievable. It was well established, but
so let me listen. I think both can be true Colin,
and I think he was the rightful MVP. I don't
have a vote, but if I did, I would have
(07:36):
given it to him. He won the MVP by a
decent margin over a player a lot of people believe
is one of the fifteen greatest players ever, still in
his prime. He almost won the MVP last year. He
is getting the idea that SGA is not appreciated. I
(07:57):
don't think is accurate. That can be true. While this
can also be true. The falling on the ground like
you were shot is unappealing, and I think that there
is a It is consistent throughout recent NBA history that
the guys who we feel like not just sell contact
(08:21):
but invent fake contact to get a call. We recoil
from that a bit. I think SGA is a brilliant player.
I think SGA is clearly the going to not only
win his first championship this year, but win a finals
MVP this year. Last night, forty nine and ten that
(08:44):
type of performance to, in my opinion, get over the
last hurdle the thunder really have to winning a championship
was an all time night. I can believe all of that,
while also believing he would be a slightly more popular
player if he didn't three times a game fall over
without anyone touching him, and another two or three times
(09:07):
a game do the harden hook a guy's arm and
create the contact that way it can be. And this
last point I'll make on it. You don't get everything
in life. And if one of the things you said
that SGA gets that other guys don't is some of
these calls. So one of the things he sacrifices to
(09:28):
get that might be universal approval rating such as life
like people make their choices. He is a brilliant, brilliant player,
and that team's gonna win the championship.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I want to talk aunt for a second. I believe artists,
most artists at their core, want to be heard and seen.
You could be a painter, you could be a basketball player,
you could be a talk show host. That we're all
selfish to some degree. But now we live in this
world of collaboration and sharing and all getting along. And
it's my knock on Jason, them stop being collaborative. Take
(10:02):
the game over and aunt last night's like, well, I
didn't get a lot of shots. I don't want to
hear that you can't have one shot in the first quarter,
like be selfish. Michael was selfish, magic convert at times.
Michaale watched me perform. Michael Scotty, I'll take the shots
this idea. Like Tatum and Aunt are both more collaborative
(10:25):
and great teammates. It hurts the team. I want you
to be selfish at times. Is that a bad take?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Well, no, I don't think it's a bad take. Last
night's game is odd, though, because they scored one hundred
and twenty six points. They scored forty in the fourth quarter.
Their problem was not their offense. Their problem was they
couldn't get a stop. And Okc's Big three. The stat
of the day for you, Colin, is this The big
three in Oklahoma City last night scored more points combined
(10:55):
in a playoff game than Katie, Russ and Harden ever did.
They scored an like that. That's why Minnesota loss. Now,
so I understand what Ant is saying, but the obvious
retort is, Okay, that's fine. You can't take two shots
in the first half of a must win game. He
just can't. And it's not as if it happened because
(11:17):
he had seventeen assists, like he was doing a good
job making the right read but we have seen at
various times where he can get somewhat taken out of
the game by a defensive scheme in a way that
a guy who's a potential one day MVP, you wish
he wouldn't with the obvious defensive ant at all times.
(11:40):
Is he's twenty three, Like this is the next step
in his learning process. It is a bummer that it
would appear in back to back years. They you know,
outplayed their seed. They had a pretty big upsets along
the way to the conference finals and then conference vinyls
(12:01):
Aunt was not quite at his best, but he is
still ahead of schedule for what he individually and his
team have accomplished at this point in his career.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, I said earlier, go back to the eighties, Michael
played the Pistons, a great defensive team and he had
bad halves. Like it's part of the maturation stage. So
you know, we got into a discussion yesterday, is that
I understand a New York star. I mean, if Aaron
Judge played with the Royals, he would be great. We
wouldn't talk about him. If Otani was with the Angel Lobby, I.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Mean, I'm not going to allow you to do that.
In the future face of baseball, Bobby Baseball in Kansas City.
But go ahead, sorry, as you were.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I mean, O Tawni with the Dodgers is different, you know,
ten miles up the road from Otani with the Angels.
And so I understand Brunson is the best quarterback in
New York. But we got into this thing yesterday where
you can't now have Brunson on the court with Kat.
It's it's a defensive problem and he's very ball centric.
So you have to find the right players, like a
KD that can catch and shoot. And if you're asking
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me tomorrow who I would start my franchise with Brunson
or Halliburton. Halliburton can play with anybody. He's effective when
he's not storing. He's a better defensive player. He can
also shoot. But I could put him with any I
always felt this about like Klay Thompson. He would have
fit on every team KD like that when when when
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Lebron's with your team, he is the ecosystem. Brunson's not Lebron.
But as I watch Brunson, I think it's been a
really good tell that Cat's not going to be the future,
and that KD fits better, and that Halliburton has a
brighter future because he made he works with every player.
Everybody works with Halliburton. Brunson is player and style specific.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Okay, so that's I There's there's a lot there. So
I understand your point about that Halliburton can fit, you know,
play better with others, so to speak. I still don't
think he's a better player than Jalen Brunson. And it's close,
but I still think Jalen Brunson's ceiling and upside is higher.
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And I when you listen, you're right that Halliburton is
a better defender, but that I mean Halliburton's not exactly
locking anyone down like that. Brunson is a minus defender,
maybe a minus minus defender, and Halliburton is just a
slightly minus defender. He's not doing a lot of the
defensive work for Indiana. And to listen, Halliburton is a
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better distributor, but Brunson is a far better score. I
don't put the Halliburton. I'm sorry the Brunson cat struggles
at times when they're on the court together, primarily on
Jalen Brunson. I put it more on Cat, and I
think Kat needs to be more assertive with the ball
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at times. I also think it is smart if Tom
Thibodeau would stagger them a bit more than he does.
And when Kat is out there without Brunson, he has
to look at it as these are my shots, this
is my offense, and that doesn't necessarily just mean shooting threes,
even though he's a great three point shooter. My biggest
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disagreement with you is this, like, if you're the New
York Knicks, you cannot trade Karl Anthony Towns for Kevin Durant.
Kevin Durant. I understand your point that do I think
like in a vacuum, that style of player would fit
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better with Jalen Brunson, a guy who's just catching shoot
and has already been in an offense where he is
the epicenter, where he's not the epicenter. All that. I
get that, But just because KD is going to be
thirty eight and is not injury wise reliable, I wouldn't
do it. I also think people have written the Knicks
obituary too early. I think the Knicks are going to
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win tonight, and I still think they are going to
win this series. And I think that if that happens,
we might look at it like the Pacers obviously underrated
by a lot of us throughout the year, back to
back conference finalists, but we might maybe got a little
ahead of ourselves anointing them as the future of the
Eastern Conference.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Okay, I said this yesterday there was There's been a
couple of sound bites where Aaron Rodgers said, I'm not
going to play in Louisiana. I'm not going to be
a saint, so where he plays matters, clearly. He's also
been quoted saying or a source close to him saying,
I think he said it, I'd play for ten million dollars,
So money's not driving force. Yeah, so location matters, money doesn't.
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And then he recently said he was a kind of
a Q and A that I go back to Green Bay.
Well that means you don't even see yourself necessarily, you'd
go back to family and not even be a starter.
So all of it feels like to me, he's an
inch from retirement. That said, I don't count passer rating
touas Garoppolos is higher than Josh Allen, Manning and Brady
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take passer rating out. It's nonsense. It doesn't mean anything.
Russell Wilson's is a mile higher than Kurt Warner and
Brady and Manning and Big Ben and Josh Allen. It
doesn't matter now. Now Maholmes is great. It can matter,
but it's not a defining trait. And I said, if
Aaron retired today, he is my Dan Marino? What do
I do? Basketball style, baseball stats, football is winning? Aaron's
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got one iconic playoff moment. I don't know. If I
don't know if Marino has any What do I do
for a one appearance in the Super Bowl? Five hundred
playoff guy? The MVPs matter some Where do we classify
Aaron all time in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
I don't. I think we'll agree on this. Outside of
the top five, inside the top ten?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
I I Oh, you don't think he's top ten all time?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
No, No, I think he's out of it. I think
FARV is like nine to ten.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Okay, so then can we this kind off the top
of my head? But like, let's just go tell me.
Here are the guys I would clearly have ahead of Aaron, Okay,
Brady Mahomes, Montana.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
L Way.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
I would have Marino ahead of Aaron Peyton's one obvious one.
I'm sorry, did I not say Peyton? Yes, Peyton, Yes,
I knew there was an obvious when I'm leaving. So
there are my six I have ahead of it.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Okay, go ahead, Terry Bradshaw, I mean, how many times
do you have to win the Super Bowl? How about
Aikman's got three super Bowls? I mean that more than
Rider season?
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Hold on, I love well, So this is a true.
I love Troy. Troy is not better player than Aaron
Rodgers and Troy had I mean Troy was, Troy was
an excellent quarterback on an all time team. I don't
I personally can't put Troy ahead of Aaron. I also
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though the Terry to me is on that same tier. Like,
let me ask you this because this is and I'm
not a you know, Aaron's last five years I think
Had you know, left a lot of us wanting a
lot on and off the field. But do you think
Aaron rot like Aaron versus Drew Brees, I feel like
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you have to put Aaron ahead of him. I think
they both have.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Tell me, I think it's inches, but I would put
Aerin ahead of Breeze by an inch. But I don't
put Breeze as a top ten guy because I think
I think Maholmes has knocked several players out of it.
I was always an Aaron guy over a far of guy.
I think he's a smarter player and he's more on schedule.
But I think what happened to Aaron is once Brady.
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I've told you this before. When Brady and Manning started
compiling trophies, Aaron got overly protective of his passer rating
and became agree with this, became a much more a
safer player in big games. He started playing to protect
his passer rating, and that, to me is started the
downward trend in big games. If he had a pick,
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if he had two, he just wouldn't make certain throws.
And I think that's seven days.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Yeah, I think that's totally fair. I think that's right,
And I will give you credit that you when you
and I first got to know each other, you were
making a similar point, and I thought you were crazy.
And I've come around more to your side of things.
I still think that Bradshaw, Staubach, Farv Rogers are all
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to me in that you know of them. Again, I'm
not gonna do Unitis and baw and those I don't
know how to do those. If we just basically go
with bart Starr, like since the merger, I think there
are to me six guys I would clearly have ahead
of Aaron, and then five or six guys He's right
there with them. And the Marino part is tricky because
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you're right, he's got none of the winning. But the
flip side to that is literally early every person that
covered the league in the eighties or played, they all
swear a blood oath that he's one of the greatest
players anyone's ever seen. And so I and I feel
like there is some of that same almost mythological aspect
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to Aaron, which is guys who played with him and
against him talk about his talent in such an amazing way.
I also would ask this before we move on. I
would he firmly be looked at as top ten, even
if it's tenth. If he had simply retired after his
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last year in Green Bay? Is it everything that's happened
the last couple of years has that hurt him? I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
You say no, okay no, Because I watched Michael Jordan
play for the Wizards. I went to one of those games,
maybe two, and it doesn't matter. And I think, I
mean unitis ended up. I swear on the West Coast.
I don't think it matters. I think we take I mean,
I've said this before. Marlon Brand had like six legendary
movies and eight bombs. Tom Cruise was in Vanilla Sky
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and Rock of Ages. We look at your greatest work,
we don't we. I mean Tom Cruise couldn't figure out
he was just an action star until six years ago
when he finally figured out this is what people like. No,
I love Tom Cruise, but I mean he when he
finally came to terms with the more I run, the
more people love me. The more stuff I do stunts,
the more they love me. And he was always a
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good actor, but it was like he it takes time
to define what you are as an artist, and when
he did, he was great. And I think I look
at Aaron and Marino and I'm like, what are the
moments I did not have?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
That birds fair? That Bard's fair. Also last point on this,
I'm glad good for you that you were able to
watch those Jordan games with the Wizards, because the NBA
has burned the film of it so nobody else can
watch him. That was one of that was like wille
hundred point game. You had to be there in the
stadium that moment if you want to see anything about it.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
By the way, one more and the Kaitlin Clark stuff
is amazing. I was talking to Danny Parkins about this,
and there's all sorts of things that get people are
getting worked up over. But here is the one thing
beyond that. Merchandise sales went up five hundred percent. The
valuation of the team, an awful team that had the
number one pick, went from ninety million to three hundred
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and forty million. I think her only comp is Tiger Woods.
I don't even think Michael and Lebron match this. This
is a sport we didn't watch, and now I find myself.
I was hanging out with family this weekend and a
bunch of the college kids were there and they're like, Oh,
if Kaylan Clark's on, that's what the frat's watching over everything,
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I don't even know. I mean, I think we're under
selling her impact. What say you?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Oh, well, listen, I mean I guess it. You know,
depending on who you're talking to, if it's under sold,
I think you're right that it is Tiger Woods is
the best comp in that it took a sport that
was incredibly popular a small segment of the population, and
one person made it seemingly mainstream. And this is where
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I would encourage people who are big time pre Caitlin
Clark WNBA fans or women's basketball fans to embrace this
rather than pushback against it. Do you know who the
biggest beneficiaries of Tiger Woods were other golfers, Ronniels and
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Sergio Garcia and Phil Mickelson and David Duval and all
and these folks who became bigger celebrities and wealthier and
more popular because there were more people coming to the party.
I think, you know, one of the biggest winners from
Caitlan Clark is going to be Asia Wilson, who is
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still the best player in the sport. I think Paige
Becker's who it could be a real rivalry with Caitlin
Clark over the next decade. She's a winner from this.
I think there's I know some people have tried to
force and understandably so, Caitlin versus Angel. The problem is,
like right now, Angel is a very good defensive player,
and good rebounder. She is not a great player yet,
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and so Caitlin's real rivalry is going to be with
the other great players. But it's gonna be so good
for everyone associated with the sport. And so it's gonna
be great for the defending champion, New York Liberty, and
so there are there are a lot of complicated things
surrounding the WNBA. This one is not one of them.
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Having a super nova celebrity the awesome at your sport
and bringing more people to the party is good for
everyone in the sport.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, no, it's interesting. I remember Marcomira was one of
the first golfers that really befriended, befriended Tiger and he's like, guys,
this is really good. And it took Markomira, a veteran
smart guy, to say like, hey, guys, stop the pushback.
I'm waiting for the WNBA star in a league to
come out and just say, guys, ladies, what are we
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doing here? And it may take that because I think
you remember. I can remember being a sportscaster and get
complaints all the time. All you guys talk is Tiger
and I'm like, have you watched him? Do you see
what's happening. He's like incredible. So I do think what
could really be helpful for Caitlin is getting some peer
and like an Asian Wilson level player, let's get five
or six in the league to just say, guys, we
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gotta be we're crazy here. We're all flying private now.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Well, and I think listen, because Caitlin came out with
some kind of off the court social commentary, I think
after last year that I think, really in a positive way,
struck a chord with some of the veterans in the league.
And I know Asia Wilson did come out and say
how much that mattered. I think it's tricky when it
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is yes, it is a rising tide aspect, but then
it is also a but you're not yet better than me,
and you're young and so like there. I understand the
competitive rivalries pieces of it, but it is great for
the sport and it's great for sports fans, like as
I learned just from being an indie this past week.
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The more cool events we have that are well produced,
that are championship level that millions of people are into,
the better it is for everyone. It's just more fun,
and so I think it's all positive.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Nick Riot. First things first, Continia Boddy, see you com Yeah,
it's you know, it's I've heard this pushback. Well, Caitlin's
not the best WNBA player. Well, Steph's not the best
NBA player and never has been. But he's the most
interesting and affected the most change. You don't have to be,
you know, the best actor to be the most popular, right,
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Like Tom Cruise is the most popular actor in America.
Is he the best actor? Well, he's really good. I
don't you know, I'm not an artist. I don't know
how he's judged. He's never won an Oscar, He's won
a lot of Golden Globes, So I don't think kaylor there.
I mean, this is just the way it works. Like
Connor McGregor, Tiger was the best golfer and the most
popular and Connor McGregor. I think John Jones is a
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better all time fighter, but Connor was the most popular
and most polarizing and maybe was the second or third
best fighter. But I don't think that diminishes what Caitlin
Clark's doing, not being the best player, she's the best
guard and in a recent anonymous poll, more gms in
that space, that league the WNBA would start their franchise
with her in Chicago.
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Speaker 1 (28:45):
Both J Mack and Nick Wright like the New York
Knickerbuckers Tonight on the road. I do not see it
that way. The line is only two, which surprised me, jmck.
I thought it would be like three and a.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Half to four here in the last couple hours. So
a lot of people think that Pacers bounce back. I've
got some numbers.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I'm writing it.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I just wrote it up for Fox Sports dot Com.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I like the next tonight.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
All right, Jmak with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
This is the Herd Line news, Colin.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
We're gonna start with the NFL and the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
We know they're favored obviously in.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
The AFC East, but you and a lot of people
seem to like the New England Patriots. Our staff put
together an interesting tidbit. Check out all these new additions. Obviously,
besides the head coaching, the offensive coordinator. I did not realize.
I know they spent like drunken sailors in free agency.
But look at how many potential starters they added Colin.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I mean, we know Dix is.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Gonna start coming off the injury should be good. Matt
Collins is going to be a valuable addition for them.
They steal Morgan Moses from the Jets. They got a
new center, Bradbury, I believe from Minnesota. This team may
have like eight or nine new starters, so there could be.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
A little lag time in them jelling early.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
But I do believe they will come on strong and
be a contender for a wild card five.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, I don't think they're a great team. I think
there's about six teams every year to seven that can
play for the championship. But but but, like I mean,
last year is a great example. Denver made the playoffs.
We didn't. We didn't see them as a team that
was a viable conference championship contender. That's not going to
be New England. But coaching stability, elevation of a young quarterback,
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and line play will be noticeably better. They'll be they'll
be at least competent offensively, and they were not last year.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
You know the worst part about this is as a
Jets fan for my entire life. There was a window
when Brady left. Yeah he's gone, baby, here we come.
It's Jets time. And the Jets had a window. They
had Sala, they had Rogers. That thing closed so damn quickly.
What do they say when God closes a door, he
opens a window. I mean, it didn't happen. For the Jets,
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they opened up like it didn't happen. And Colin, I
hate to say it, but Aaron Glendy, there's people don't
want to say there's pressure on him. But if the
Patriots suddenly built up to nine or.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Ten, well they will. They will a young quarterback on.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
A rookie deal, and Rabel it's well, we're screwed again.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well if you look, I mean, and this always happens.
That's why it matters if you're a well run business,
because dynasties are formed. There's all time great performers, coaches
and businesses. You may have sixteen to twenty months to
take advantage of a situation. A Peyton Manning gets hurt,
Brady leaves town, and the Jets are not well run,
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so they're not They're not like I owe, there are
opportunities like Minnesota right now, May Yo Kitch gets hurt,
Oh maybe SGA gets hurt, and they're they're good enough
and well run and well coached enough. With Connorley the
GM and Chris Finch and Aunt. You could look at
Minnesota saying they're probably never going to be champs, but
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they're built if there was a key injury that they
would be ready and catapulted to championship level. If you're
well built, you still may never win a title, but
you're in the running if you get a break like
like you know, prime example is Phil Mickelson was always
capable of winning a major. Tiger was there, but if
Tiger gets hurt, Tiger misses a major, Tiger gets injured,
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you're there ready to win that major. And I think
that that's the Jets problem is they're just not built
well enough to take advantage of a fifteen to eighteen
month window.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Great great example there.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Remember how the Raptors had Lowry and de rozen in
the backwood forever and they just couldn't get by Lebron.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
He was just sleeping them every year.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Well, guess what happens the one year Kawhi Leonard becomes
available we're going all in.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Kevin Durant goes down, play gets hurt, and they get
the luckiest title in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Sorry, Toronto had to get that, but.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
They were built for it. They were always well run
and well coached, and they had good roster construction. They
got a break and they took advantage of it.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Listen, everybody needs a break, no doubt about that. Colin
Next is your main man. Austin Reeves. We can't call
him Ar fifteen, that's a dumb nickname. However, Austin Reeves.
We've been doing a lot of stuff on him lately
because you seem to think they need to move off
of him. Well, Austin Reeves's agent tweeted, next year is
going to be a show.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
People really have no idea what's to come.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Keep putting him in trade rumors for second string centers.
I tried to tell you last week, Cowhard, that junk
ain't happening. They're not moving off Reeves. Lebron loves him,
Luca loves him, but he's a homegrown guy. He's a massive,
great skill set. He had a rough series against Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Oh my gosh. You know they're not moving off of Colin.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
That's time and then just own what your reality is
going to be. Is that Lucas not malite defender. Austin isn't.
You don't have a rim protector and Lebron's good defensively
in moments, You're.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Gonna get a rim protector.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Kelry.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, here's the numbers on Reeves.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
We got to you know Staton that the staff wants
to sandbag me here thirty one percent for three. Did
not have a great series. That's undeniable. They were third
in the West. The Lakers will be back. Listen my
hottest take. They got me in trouble last night on
social media. There was only two teams here to take down. Okay,
see the Celtics Tatum goes down and the others the Lakers.
The Lakers were built for this team. Luca owns OKC
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both are gone and the thunder now have our runway
to the championship, which I'll save some of that stuff
for Friday. Final story is OKC and Shay Gilders. Alexander
aka the.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Free throw Merchant.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Colin fans in Minnesota have been chanting free throw merchant
when he's at the line.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Here's what SGA had to say about the chance.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
In terms of the label. I don't care. I never cared.
I said this before, Lank. I've shot more Fritos in
the season than I did this season. I think because
we're on the top of everyone's radar, it's a little
bit more noticeable and now people care about it. But
I kind of see it as a compliment, so.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I need to just clear something up.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
It's not about how many times he goes to the line, Colin.
It's a style of plaything, right, people watch. He is
a flopper. He makes Lebron look like a non flopper. Okay,
every time he goes into the lane, he's hooking.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
People to bring him in and that, oh my god,
like he got shot. Okay, Colin.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
It's a thing, and it's people say, well, what about Brunson.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
It's not even close.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Brunson doesn't flop like SGA because of SGA's frame.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
He's like a long what is he six five sixty six?
Speaker 5 (35:31):
He's long and wiry, and he's always acting like he's
just like doing dance moves. I'm just telling you it's annoying,
and Colin, you're probably gonna get here later in the week.
This is a boring team. Okay, see, is not really fun.
Watch their brand, watch the quotes.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
They've kind of just suck the fun out of the series.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Anthony Edwards, your guy face of the league, he hasn't.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
It's not fun this series.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Well, and I've said this before, you could take out
four NBA players all time, Magic Bird, Michael, and Steph,
and you could argue that the NBA is not as
popular as the media makes it believe, like there's only
been four to now. Shaq and Kobe as a tandem
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were great, but the NBA has only had four or
five players, and even Doctor j didn't get a big
TV rating. Many of the Celtics teams did not. Jason
Tatum doesn't, Michael did, Magic Bird did, Steph Curry, Shaq,
Shaq and Kobe, Tim Duncan, Akeem Olaja one great players
didn't move the needle. So my take is, yes, Yokichen Denver,
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I love watching them play, don't move the needle. Spurs
and Duncan didn't move the needle. The Celtics, by the way,
you think because of the brand, they're collaborative. Tatum's not
really the oral alpha guy. They don't move the needle.
So wh people, here's what I know. The NBA got
seven the six billion dollars. They got what they wanted.
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It's up to the networks to make it work. Hockey
nobody's watching it. So the baseball regular season problematic. NBA
is fine.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
So this is a great discussion. And you keep saying
move the needle. The antiquated version in the eighties and
nineties was TV ratings. Now there are more metrics calling,
there's merch and NBA players they've merched than any baseball, hockey,
NFL player on the planet.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Try and if I don't.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Know if you determine the needle as social media, but
like LaMelo Ball, who I don't think has ever won
a playoff game, has more followers on Instagram than any
NFL player, any hockey player.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Like, no, they move the needle.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Culturally, Yeah, no, no, no, this you and I agree
on this. I've said it before. The NBA got their money.
They culturally matter, they matter with apperil its style and culture.
It's hockey, has has an hockey is Canada's, It's Europe's basketball.
We feel like it's ours and our stars. Also in
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my lifetime and more than ever. One thing that really
moves the needle in this country star power. It can
be movies, it can be music, it can be basketball,
NBA as Owa's had five or six guys that are
you could go into any household in America. Basketball, casual sports, casuals.
They've heard of Stephan Lebron like and that hockey doesn't
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have that and baseball doesn't usually have that.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
And the other thing is like the stars, the Hollywood,
the celebrity row at Madison Square Garden, like that stuff pumps.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
It up and makes it culturally relevant.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
I do you know, I don't think that Okac has
a lot of swag.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
If you will, like SGA seems like a great guy.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
They're a boring watch. I admit fun.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Put them on Opening Night? Did they put them on Christmas?
Did they put the pacers on Christmas?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Like?
Speaker 6 (38:52):
No, the NBA.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
No, there's no wattage there, there's no cultural relevance.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
A great example when Jannis was winning a title and
there were playoffs games, they put the Bucks on it
one in the afternoon often on NBA TV like just
and Giannis is an all time great.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Oh well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
The Herd Line News.
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Rick Bucker Final Hour, It's The Herd.
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Speaker 1 (40:26):
Bucker Last Hour. So it's the SEC media days. And
we were talking earlier about Lincoln Riley just strategically in
USC saying there's a lot of changes happening, and I've
defended USC saying his job is to make the playoffs,
not to appeal to college football traditionalists, where the sentimal
sentimentality can be a little over the top. I mean,
(40:47):
the Pac twelve doesn't even exist anymore. And one of
the reasons is because the only three teams that followed
USC to the Big Ten were the three biggest rivals,
the three toughest teams for USC to beat, which is
or Bregan, especially in Eugene, Washington, especially at Husky Stadium,
and crossdown rival UCLA, indepenn State, Ohio State, Michigan. And
(41:10):
that doesn't even count the playoff. And so like USC
is like I'm not sure I want to play Notre Dame.
And if we do, got to be early in the season.
We'll do it. You know, maybe a two year contract,
not twelve. Notre name obviously wants it. So USC has
you can see this has softened and lightened up their schedule,
Missouri State, Georgia, Southern. They've done that. That is based
(41:34):
on joining the Big Ten. And what they want to
do is in these years in which you have these
brutal cold weather games. We saw what cold weather did
to USC last year in their initial season. Hey, they struggled.
You know, it's a warm weather program. And I've said this,
there's never been an NFL Dome dynasty. It is different
when you play in nine degrees like Kansas City, Green Bay,
(41:57):
New England, Baltimore, Philadelphia. You're used to it. And so
here's Sark talking about the world's changed and the days
of just running through your conference and being undefeated are over.
Sark basically saying basic, Okay, the screen, Okay, the screen
right now, Okay, here we go. Sark says, when it
(42:19):
comes to college football changes, I don't think we'll ever
see an undefeated national champ again. If we do build
a statue, hopefully we're getting to the point where the
best teams make the playoff. That's why I said last
year it was great that Ohio State could lose early
to Oregon and late to Michigan and still be invited
(42:39):
to the playoff, because it was in my entire life
when you lost. For the record, Notre Dame lost an
early game at home, and we wondered, aloud, are they
out of the playoff? Why?
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Why?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
That's why they want USC. That's why they just signed
a deal with Clemson. Notre Dames, these big, big traditional games,
they need top twenty programs. USC's got plenty of them.
They're full of top twenty programs up and down the
schedule going forward.
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