Colin Cowherd Podcast - Nick Wright: Can OKC Become A Dynasty? Caitlin Clark’s “Supernova” Fame, Are The Chiefs “America’s Team”? - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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(01:17):
We get him about once every three or four weeks,
and I always love it. So I you know, on television,
I got about twelve minutes and I can't you know, extrapolate,
you know, I can't go into too much detail. But
I was thinking about this today when I was taking
the train home, which yeah, I do now take the
train home every day.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah I do. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Good for you, buddy, one of the people.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, man of the people. It's what everyone's always said
about you.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
So there's a knock on Sga And I've said this,
He's not a lot of fun to watch, but it's interesting.
I went back to like George Miken and if you
go back, take Lebron, Michael Jordan, and Kobe Out. They
are hyper athletic. They are among NBA players insane. And

(02:05):
what I'm going to mention to you are the leaders
of dynasties and the leaders of champions. George Miken, Havelchek Kouzi,
Moses Malone, du Mars, Isaiah Isaiah, Akeem Burn, McHale, Magic,
Kareem Duncan, Tony Parker, Steph Draymond Jokich, Murray Sga, Dirk
Luca separately, Katie Harden, Bill Walton, Rick Berry, wes Unseld

(02:29):
Gus Williams. You start going from the sixties on, it
is remarkable how often the hyper athletic player, the Sean Kemp,
the Drexler, the meek, doesn't win titles. We are fascinated
with them, but it's the foundational player. It's the player
that gives you twenty eight in place on both ends.

(02:52):
And so I think the league's history doesn't favor Ant.
It favors SGA, who is a I said, yes, today
SGA averages thirty three at night because he scores thirty
three at night. Aunt average is twenty five because he
scores thirty nine and.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Then nineteen and the yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
And when there's a consistency with SGA, F and Duncan
and Havelcheck and a Keem now again Lebron Kobe MJ
take him off the board.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
But most of our great dynasties and teams have been
about really great coaching and.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
At times kind of a boring efficient.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I mean, isn't Jason Tatum closer to SGA than Ant?
Is he not?

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah? No, Tatum might be. But I'm gonna push back
here because you I don't think intentionally, but you'd left
out Bill Russell who won eleven and while he wasn't flashy, yeah,
was either the best or the second best athlete of
his era. And that when I say best or second,
well he was second best because Wilt Chamberlain was there.

(04:02):
Now he only won two. You did not include doctor
j who only won one in the NBA but dominated
in the ABA. And then of course there is the
ten between Michael and Lebron that are like this, so
and it's there's ten right there. I think that Ant

(04:25):
is being so here's here's I think an odd take,
but I believe it to be true. I think to
the audience, Ant and SGA feel like they're the same.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Age, even though SGA is almost four years old, right
because it feels like they have both they have both
been on like fringe contender to wait, legitimate contender, to
wait real expectations the same amount of time.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
So the fact that Ant twenty three and s soon
will be twenty seven, we like people are shocked when
they know, like SGA older than Luca, Like that doesn't
feel right because Luca was a prominent star immediately. So
I think there is a little too much and maybe
Ant skepticism right now because he hasn't now in back

(05:23):
to back conference finals come through, but he's it was
a testament to him that they got to these conference finals.
And at twenty three, SGA wasn't anything close to an
MVP candidate.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know what he is, he's Lamar Jackson. The first
couple of years before Lamar, like Mahomes admitted in year three, Okay,
I'm good on the pre snap stuff. Now at one point,
you're just being an athlete. And then Mahomes goes, yeah,
middle of year three, if slowed down and I could
see stuff before it happened, but it in Mahomes is
cognitively really quick. And Russell Wilson admits, and Brady admits,

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and that Ant is sort of the great young athlete quarterback.
Now Jayden Daniels total outlier. It's like he's got it
down now. But it's like and it's the quarterback like, man,
wait until he's great.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Prec until I know what I'm doing, right, until I
actually know what I'm doing, And so no, and listen
and obviously also have some maturing to do, I think
on and off the court. But he's twenty three, and
I think Shae is, you know, kind of wise beyond
his youth, the way he talks, and I so here

(06:33):
is I I thought Shaye was very clearly league's MVP
this year. I until the Lakers traded for Luca. I
thought pretty clearly all year Oklahoma City was the best team.
I want the Lakers trade for Luca. I thought they
could beat them. But the moment the Lakers got knocked out,

(06:54):
I said, I thought Oklahoma City was gonna win it,
and in my opinion Game four against the temborl they
won the championship. Like I think that, I think this
NBA season, I'm still excited for it, but the deciding
event has happened. I think the thunder are going to
win the title. The SGA stuff that where people push

(07:15):
back is it feels like he'd some of the flopping
about and foul stuff is unnecessary and it's just something guys.
We have seen other MVPs Embeid and most notably Harden
do this stuff. Nobody ever likes that. Like, that's not

(07:36):
picking on SGA, that is uh, it's something people don't like.
And people come back to me with, well, Nick, you
love Luca. Luca does not flop. Luca winds Luca if
he gets a call, he's angry he didn't get it sooner.
If he doesn't get a call, he's furious, But he
is trying to finish through contact. Shay is being a

(07:57):
little cagier. He almost never wins, but what he doesn't
need to because he's getting the calls. But listen, he
is a great, great player, and they're gonna win eighty
four games this year, maybe lose less than twenty, and
he's going to average north of thirty throughout. It's an

(08:18):
all time great season.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
And I think the other thing, I don't know if
I told you this, I may have told Danny Parkins
this the advantage Oklahoma City has accumulating all these draft picks.
So I've always been a believer in baseball and NBA
just give away draft picks. It's the opposite in football,
because you're getting a twenty four year old and you
can get fifty to sixty percent that hit, and some

(08:41):
hit immediately, and they're grown men, and they're Jamar Chase
and to the second best receiver in the league within
a year.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
And it's a hard cap and you need cheap.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, and so you get guys that come in and
not only are good Quentin Nelson guard. Coltz was like, oh,
is he the second best guard at twenty four? Doesn't
work that way in baseball. Even Bryce Harper go to
the minors. So you know, when I look at these
draft picks, here's an advantage. I'd be very reticent, very
reluctant if I was okay se to move off this group.

(09:10):
Not only are they good, but what is happening with NIL?
Players like Zach Edy are like, you must stay another
year European players. Now Illinois is going to have five
European starters. The Spanish leagues that have most of the
talent are thinking of shuddering. American colleges now NIL are

(09:32):
buying the best European players. What does that mean? College
basketball has been fortified over the last two years. The
quality of Florida playing Houston. You're like, oh, there's seven
NBA guys on these teams. The Yukon team two years ago,
like they had two guys make the All NBA Top
two to three teams. Zach Edy like comes in, he's

(09:52):
really dominant. We went through a twenty year stretch of
college basketball where Doug McDermott won College Player of the
Year and is the night player on a good team's roster. Garza,
you know it was a Luca Garza. Tyler Hansborough. We
are now moving back because players are first of all,
not going to the G League as often staying in

(10:15):
college and other poaching European players. Those draft picks now
they're gonna be a much higher percentage of them that
hit and can play early.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
So here's the other thing where they do. So if
you dive into Oklahoma City's pick bounty, and it is
a ton of picks when you look at it, none
of them really project out to be top five picks,
but it's going to be a lot of Like they
got the ninth thing out, the fourteenth, they got the seventeenth,
all that stuff. Here's and they already did this once

(10:51):
with this guy I don't know anything about, but his
name's Topicch who stayed in Europe. They drafted him a
year or two ago and he should come over next year.
What they will be able to do is draft international
guys who say, hey, you can draft me, but I'm
not coming over for a couple years. And I think

(11:11):
they will be totally fine with that because they don't
have enough space on their roster right now. They don't
need guys to come in and play immediately. And the
point you're making is they can instead of drafting the
nineteen year old who people hope in four years is
going to be really good, they might take more of

(11:32):
the approach of we're gonna draft the senior who can
give us eight minutes a night in year one, and
that's useful. And listen, Presty's done a great job drafting.
Where I would caution everyone is of the last five
NBA champions, four of them. The moment they were winning

(11:54):
the championship, we were all pretty convinced they were going
to win a bunch and none of them have even
made around them. The Lakers when they won in the bubble,
it was like, well, Lebron is still the best player
in the world, Anthony Davis has gotten to a new
next level there, how are they they? I guess the
Lakers have gone Denver, Boston, but that right, so exactly

(12:18):
Milwaukee the next year. Holy shit, Yiannis put it all together.
They traded for Holiday. They're obviously gonna be dominant. They
have been back to round three. Golden State was different
because Golden State we looked at it as the end
of a run like they already had their championships. Certainly
Denver we were like, okay, it's the Yo Kajira. All year

(12:40):
people thought, well, Boston's the best team, and now I
can see it happening again with Okac, where people are
gonna be like, who's gonna stop them? Is what is
remarkable is that Okac has gotten back to this point
that last night or the game four, uh Shae j

(13:01):
Dub and Chet combined for ninety five points. Collin ninety
four was the high water mark for Katie, Russ and
Harden together and you know that team was there. I
think Katie was better than Shay I.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know those guys, those guys now in the rear
view mirror are really flawed, like Harden and Westbrook need the.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Ball, like Honger, Round doesn't.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Doesn't fit as well. No, these three guys better. Those
three guys are a higher talent. But if we like
that team when they were all twenty three or younger,
made the finals one game one of those finals against
Lebron's Heat, they were favorites going into the finals, big

(13:48):
favorites after game one, and that franchise has not been
in the finals again since it has not won another
finals game. Now, I think they're gonna win the championship.
I just you know, I would pump the breaks on
anyone saying this is you know that this is about
to be the Oklahoma City era. I just feel like

(14:09):
we feel in the moment right after an NBA team
wins a title, we're always like, well, they're just gonna
keep winning titles. That hasn't that's not what the last
decade has been.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, Holmgren could get hurt at some point, Jalen Williams
will want to get paid.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
You're not gonna keep.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Well, that's the problem is the getting paid. The problem
is is Oklahoma City, which has never paid the luxury tax,
they're about to have to pay Shay a million dollars
a game. Like that's what it's coming and so that.
But right now, in the moment, it's an all. They
won sixty eight games, and I don't think they're I
think the last adversity they they're gonna face for the

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Everything I buy in the TikTok store is amazing. That's
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but I was thinking. Years ago, I did a topic
where I said, this is when I would take calls.
I was only doing a radio show. I said, you
guys don't understand Madonna was in her prime. I said,
is much more well known than Derek Jeter in his prime.

(17:46):
It's not close. One's a global star. I got thirty calls.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
In a row.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
No way, Derek.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I'm like Derek.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
The brand of the Yankees is bigger than Derek Jeter.
Like Derek Jeter is not the if you play in
Kansas City, he'd just be an All Star. Sports fans
they struggle sometimes with like recognizing that nobody knows who
Jalen Hurts is out of America unless you're a sports fan.
Your sister who doesn't love sports, doesn't know who Jalen
Hurts is. Even after the Super Bowl, she's heard of

(18:16):
maybe the Tush push, but that's about it. And I
was thinking about this, how many NBA players and I
know Caitlin Clark is an athlete, but how she's like
beyond that now she kind of transcends sports. She's like,
it's it's racial, it's political, it's polarizing, it's it's a
lot of things. How many NBA players are more famous

(18:37):
than Caitlin Clark Lebron's Steph Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Is kay maybe Durrect That's what I put. I said, I.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Wrote down k d maybe in one year out of
women's basketball for a horrible team when she arrived. Outside
of Lebron and Steph, she is the most well known
basketball player currently playing in the United States.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Oh yes, And I don't think that's close. Like I
I think I might have said this to you last
year that I thought the most famous basketball player under
thirty was Kitlyn Clark, and it's, like you said, I
don't think it's particularly close. Like when the she is

(19:27):
demonstrably and inarguably more famous than all of this generation's
NBA stars, she just is like it it really Lebron
is I don't know, probably one of the twenty most
famous people in the world. At a secondary level, there
is Steph and at a far different level, there is Durant,

(19:51):
And the next basketball person, like active basketball person, is
Caitlyn Clark. Like the the it's I don't even I
don't think that's a hot take. I don't think that's controversial.
I think that's just obvious. And I think that it
is awesome for the sport, and I think that it

(20:14):
is awesome for sports fans, and it it is what
I think some people need to be Okay, like this
is this is apples and oranges, but not exactly and
this is not a fair comparison. But just the audience
is smart, they'll figure it out. I think it's probable

(20:37):
that Lonzo I'm sorry that LaMelo Ball is more famous
than Tyrese Hallibah. He is. No one with a brain
thinks he's better than tyre famous. Now you agree, So
I think sometimes like diehard WNBA or women's basketball fans

(20:57):
conflate the discussion about fame in popularity with a ranking
of players. Right now, Caitlin Clark is to me, I mean,
she was first team All WNBA last year. She has
a legitimate argument that she's a top five player in
the league, and before this injury, probably was going to
make a real case to win League MVP this year.

(21:19):
But if someone's like, hey, I watch I have WNBA
league pass. I watched the whole league, guy have for years.
I think she is currently the seventh best player in
the league, I'd listened to him like, okay, maybe like
you know, the Brandon Stewart, Asia Wilson, like whomever. But
that's not the discussion that now. It is also important

(21:41):
that your fame not lap your ability. Again, not to
like I'm just thinking because we're talking about wmen's sports.
An example of that to me would be like this
would make me feel old. But on a corner, Coche.
Remember so she was at a time the most famous
women's tennis player, and I think she was during a
lot of that time, not one of the twenty best.

(22:03):
She you know her, Yeah, she was more famous, far
more famous than she was successful. But it's quite often
that your fame lags your ability, as I think happens
to Nikola Yovich, you know, as an example, And it
is also often that your fame, you know, is a

(22:23):
few steps ahead of your ability. When it is a
super nova moment is when your fame when you are
the most famous and you're the best, like that happened
that that was Lebron with the NBA. Obviously Jordan Kobe,
you know, at least was close to the best and

(22:44):
not the best for a brief period. And it's what
I is going to happen, I believe with Caitlin Clark,
because I do think she will have a period where
she is clearly the best player in the league. And
again it could happen sooner than later. But it's it
is so great for the sport because it she is

(23:05):
someone that people show up to the party because of her.
And where I give the evolution of the WNBA and
women's basketball credit is I think people show up to
the party, whether it's for the women's NCAA tournament or
the WNBA and they're like, Oh, this party's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
There's a level of physicality in this sport that isn't necessarily.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Because they're not vertical, so they're banging into each other.
It's a very physical league, exactly right.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
And so I think that if you if you have
a good product and your biggest hurdle is getting people
to sample the product, she's a gonsend. There's there's no
denying it. And and again there's obviously there's a lot
of complicated components to it, but just because something has

(24:00):
complicated components doesn't mean every discussion about it has to
be complicated. And you know, you can just be like,
she is a super nova fame, a level of fame
with one of a kind talent, and it is game
changing for the.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Entire And also she had a rivalry with a star
college player in college, so we have a visceral connection,
which college basketball no longer gives you. It's what football
gives you all the time. Where you know JJ McCarthy,
You're like, oh, I mean you see all these Buckeyes
in Michigan Wolverines. When I think JJ McCarthy, I think Michigan.
I don't think pro football player. I want to go

(24:39):
to Baker Mayfield. I thought you had an interesting somebody
once in the last year asked Baker Mayfield about me
and blah blah blah, and he said, well, we're frenemies,
and I think Baker knows I like him and respect him,
and he's always been nice to me.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
He said nice things publicly.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
You had to take the other day that he's actually
he was over discussed when he was in Cleveland. He's
now under discussed, and it's it's funny because I think
Baker's better than Dak.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
He's better than Tua.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
He's better than Gino, He's better than Aaron, He's better
than Russell, He's better than cousins. I think he and
Darnold are very similar that they can be mistake prone,
but they can plan it and they're real players.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Forty touchdowns. Yes, no, but he's been really good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
No. Baker is a prime example. You see this a
lot in the NBA, where a guy comes in and
he just needs the mature aunt Edwards. In the NFL, generally,
maturity is not the issue. It's you either have it
or you don't. Baker was the rare lot of testosterone,
a lot of confidence, and I felt like, can somebody
turn the governor down just a little. He was Johnny Manziel,

(25:40):
but more likable and with actual talent. He could really
throw a football. But I think Baker is the rare
NFL player in quarterback. You're like one of the talents. Inarguable,
he's just got to turn the governor down. Cleveland was
not built for Baker. You go to a great GM,
a talented roster in Tampa, which is by the way,

(26:01):
below the radar. It's in the NFC South, which is
a low profile division. Baker now is absolutely under discussed.
He is a really good NFL quarterback. I don't think
that's disputable.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, I think it's hard to make a top ten
and not include him. And then when you add to
the fact that he makes around sixty percent of what
the other guys in that top ten make, his value
is massive. He for a guy who dealt with injuries
during in his time in Cleveland, He's incredibly durable. His

(26:38):
teammates love him, and he now has back to back
years of really high productivity, a playoff quarterback, win the
division again forty touchdowns last year. I and so, yeah,
I think that there was because he was talked about
so much when he wasn't yet that good. I think

(27:01):
people got I don't know if numbs the right word,
but they were just kind of got over him. And
now that he is I think really good people are
just like, Okay, yeah, that's Baker, like he's a people
I think boxed him in. He's a good story and
that is true, but he's more than that at this point.

(27:23):
At this point, like, do I this is you know,
a third rail for some Do I think he's better
than Brock Birdie? Would I rather have? Like? And so
you said, Dak Prescott, I think that's close. I think
that there is there are a lot of quarterbacks that

(27:43):
like I'll give you a great example. Now, this guy's
young and we'll see, but he makes a lot of money.
I think he's pretty clearly better than Jordan Love. And
I think that Jordan Love is discussed like he is.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Thing. So I was really not anti Jordan Love, but
I but I had said for two years there is
more footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. They're hiding him
for a reason. Then he came out and he was
kind of sensational, and I really bought into him. And
then it's as if the league defensive coordinators got all
this footage and they found holes. And at the end

(28:21):
of last year, you're like, oh, people have caught on
to him. This is and now it would be a
sophomore slump for anybody else, but he was like in
his fourth year in fifth years, and so I want
to see him. So now it's like an NBA playoff series,
like you get worked, then you change things and that
there's stages and coaching, you know, adaptations.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
To a playoff ser adjustment. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
So now I've seen Jordan shock the league. Now I've
seen people react and he struggles. Now I want to
see his next hand with Matt Lafleur. That's why they
drafted to me a g a receiver in the first round,
because they're like, listen, we he may need a little
more help than we think here. But I I so,
I'm not sure Baker's better. I think Jordan's got a
hell of a whip and he's a really good athlete.

(29:06):
But he's He's one of the last quarterbacks in this league.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Jordan Love.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'm not sure. I know who's bad, I know who's good.
I know who's pretty good. Jordan Love is the last.
I'm not really sure what he is in the league
to me, I.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
I'm gonna throw another guy that I'm not. I think
this guy's really good, but I'm gonna put the not sure,
and that's CJ. I think that I think CJ's certainly good.
That it is there are some I think it is
hard in the modern NFL to be really good if

(29:45):
you hate running, you don't, you know what I mean.
And and now, like I'm sure CJ, especially because he's
black quarterback, like was probably you know, felt pressure like
to prove to everyone like I'm I'm not you know
what I I mean, I'm not a running back with
that also play in the position. I'm a true prototypical
pocket passer. The problem with that is that position it's

(30:09):
not extinct, but it is the just the Matt Stafford,
Jared Goff, Joe Burrow style is it's just a hard
way to make a living. And it doesn't mean you
have to be you know one read and then take
off and run. But it's a nice pitch to have,
particularly come the playoffs. And I thought CJ in the

(30:32):
playoffs last year actually went to it a little more
and so that was a good sign. But I just
want to see a little more from him. But yeah,
I think in general, we usually know who these guys are,
and then there are guys who like this is the
thing that I would say about guys like Donald or Gino.

(30:53):
I don't think Darnald's a weird one for you because
you always saw this really good player. But I think
people that said like those guys were not good potentially
were correct, and then those guys, through hard work and
maturation and learning and getting older, got good like I,

(31:16):
you know what I and so like the I think
that a guy like Gino, I think Gino was probably
rightfully a you know, lower tier backup early and then
worked his ass off, got better, learned more, and became
this player. But yeah, I think most of the quarterbacks

(31:37):
we know, we know about who they are. The one
one I'll throw another one at you that to me
is the most confusing or most intriguing, and that's Herbert,
Because Herbert, it's there is no there is no question
how talented he is. But five years into your career,
you need more than just he's throws an amazing ball.

(32:01):
And there's not a lot of quarterbacks who five years
into their career who ended up being amazing who five
years into their career hadn't accomplished anything, and he's on that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
No, he his first two head coaches though, Dean Spanos
until Harbaugh never paid money for a coach, so his
first two coaches were a miss. So I do think
he's a rare. Circumstantially, I think he's a rare. I
think the people in the league that I know all
love him. He was also the justin Herbert criticism is fair.
He was mechanical on film. People thought he was mechanical.

(32:37):
Tom Telesco, who drafted him, said we thought he was mechanical.
Then I went and watched him in person and I
saw him play the best Iowa, best Wisconsin defense of
all time and went, oh, Okay, he's not that mechanical. Hey,
So we all make mistakes, but owning up to them
is the right thing to do. So you know degree
cool Rush deodorant right, Well, last year they changed the
formula and it did not go over well with their fans.

(32:59):
So Degree the whole thing is, it turns up the
sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort,
and good thing it does, because cool Rush fans really
turned up the effort to bring the original formula back
one guy even started an online petition and Degree listened.
They admitted they fed up. They're bringing back the original
cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly
how you remember it, cool, crisp and fresh. It's back

(33:19):
in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under four dollars.
There's a reason that's been the number one men's anti
perspert for the last decade. It's the same reason why
people were not happy when it changed. So if you've
never tried it, it might be a good time to
see what the fuss is about. Head to your local
Walmart Target and try the og degree cool Rush for yourself.

(33:46):
But he can be sort of a rhythm quarterback when
he gets out of rhythm. You know, I've said this
about certain players are like the pacers are a rhythm offense.
Haliburton leaves for four and a half half minutes, they
can't get the rhythm back, Like it's like, oh, it
just doesn't work. Like Herbert's a rhythm thrower. Like he
gets into a rhythm and if you bang him, or

(34:08):
he gets sacked or or a receiver drops it, he
can get out of rhythm. A lot of quarterbacks, aren't
They just they just pick it up, they go. So
I think the criticism of Herbert are fair. But he's six',
five a four to two biology major with a huge.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
ARM i, mean he's super, smart he's super. Athletic he
could run. More he did a little more under, hardball
like he in. College he ran the hell out of
the ball when they needed. To here would be kind
of a CONCERN i. Have that is really just a
kernel of a BELIEF i have about, sports which is

(34:44):
particularly for the most scrutinized. Positions so best player on
AN nba, team quarterback on a football. Team the randomness
of your first couple times in a big spot casts
the longest shadow imaginable over your. Career and So i'll

(35:09):
use a basketball, example then a couple football. Examples the
fact That kobe as a teenager basically was a, champion
and that, Listen kobe was unbelievable on the second two
championships With, Shaq but that first championship With, shaq he
was a role player and it was Peak shaquille. O'Neill

(35:31):
but before he can is old enough to, drink he's a.
Champion no one is ever going to be able to
be Like can he can you win a ring With Kobe,
bryant and that gave, him in my, opinion the freedom
to be, Like i'll take every fucking into game. Shot
no one can ever say anything bad about, me, Right
and so it had a real. IMPACT i do. THINK

(35:56):
i Think Tom brady is one of the greatest athletes
of all time and obviously has the greatest resume of
any quarterback. EVER i also wonder if they simply hadn't you,
KNOW i won't even do the the tuck rule. Game
if in.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
That First Super bowls.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Missus the field goal or he makes one bad read
or whatever it, is and they don't win, there then
does he have like the freedom to be him in
those moments moving? FORWARD i think THAT i THINK i
think there is a chance that we are talking About

(36:43):
Russell wilson the way we talk About Terry bradshaw if
he doesn't throw The Malcolm butler, pick BECAUSE i think
if they would have won That Super bowl and he
really believes Like i'm ordained By god to do, this
that it then led to itself and.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Go up, no, No and by losing That Super bowl and
throwing that, pick it eroded the chemistry in the locker,
room and it was never the same off one.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Play AND i think it eroded for. Him this feeling
of this is meant to be the flip side to
those To brady or To. Kobe example Is. Peyton So
peyton early in his career came up short in a
couple of big spots and then it just the weight

(37:29):
got bigger and, bigger and he got That moniker even
though he's a challenged any football Player i've ever. Seen
so the REASON i bring that up IS I i
worry that For, herbert he is going to walk into
his next playoff game with the weight of the world

(37:52):
on his. Shoulders he's gonna be Like i've been. HERE
i basically played two real and one de facto playoff.
Game to the facto was the week Eighteen Chargers. Raiders
remember that were like a. Tie you both go to
the playoffs and The raiders steal it at the end
we blew a four score lead to The. Jags AND

(38:13):
i threw four picks in my other playoff, game and
it just it is so it's so flee yes what
that you know what those can? Be and so that
is to me like a real and Something i'm excited
to see moving because you've seen how it's worn On

(38:36):
lamar and you see the freedom mahomes. Place, Yeah mom's,
like nobody can ever call me anything but, clutch and
he can play it.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Well lamar now is feeling the. Pressure you can See
lamar in playoff games as. TIGHT i think eventually the
failures of The chargers and The spanos family to get
the right coach got them to pay fifteen million dollars
a year For, harbass so he has his. Kingmaker AND
i also think it Takes this is something that people

(39:05):
don't really understand. THIS i think we tend, men at
least In, america tend to worship other men and we
just forget. That Michael jordan for years didn't do shit Without,
pippen and at the end it was pathetic In, washington
but it's six for six and he's the greatest. Ever
and he failed at baseball And michael Got Phil jackson

(39:25):
And Scottie pippen and everything. Changed he was just kind
of a ballhog who couldn't get Past, boston he couldn't
get Past. Detroit it didn't get along with a lot
of teammates early In chicago Or, Layton, washington and even
when he was with The.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Bulls he was. Hard in the Documentary Tom cruise a great.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Example So Tom cruise goes into high school play and
a year later he's in the, movies and not long
after that he's in a risky business and that really defines.
HIM i, mean ray banned, sales, exploded you, know from
the underwear, scene in risky. Business So tom had absolute.
Talent but if you go back and look At Tom,

(40:07):
cruise who is as, driven wilful and obsessed about movies as,
anybody it wasn't until his last five to six movies
where he finally came to terms With i'm just.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Going to run a lot and do action. Movies and
they all.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Hit and his last five to six movies have been massive.
Hits he Did rock Of, Ages Eyes Wide, Shut Vanilla,
sky who some people really, Like i've never seen. It
he had lots of. Missus Marlon brando had lots of.
Misses so think how long it took for finally finally

(40:41):
A Bradley cooper to find the right, director Or Tom
cruise to find the right. Vehicle he was always, talented
but Like, herbert he needs his, hardball and that's WHAT
i think we tend to forget is That Michael jordan
Had Doug collins and Stan, olbrick but No Scottie. Pippat
he couldn't win a playoff.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Series none of. Them so you just need so much.
Help and that's you, know when anybody will ever ask.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Me you know, about oh, gosh how do you Think
you've done it for thirty years and you have been doing?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
This AND i, Say i've had great. Help i've had
really good.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Bosses i've had a couple, stinkers but Overwhelmingly i've had
really good support and really good agents and really good.
BOSSES i would have been somewhat. Successful but the point
being is if you find a great stockbroker or, YOUTH
i Mean, obama he has, somewhere he's got a kingmaker behind,
him you, know somebody behind him believed in, him and
we just forget that in sports and That mahomes would

(41:41):
have been. Successful But Brett veach And Andy reid are
a big part part of.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
It oh, yeah, well well the, yeah and that it's
also one of the reasons THAT i find THE i
find it really fun but also frustrating at times when
we trying to parse individual credit for team sports success

(42:09):
is one of the most fun things about our. Business
and it's also why a guy you AND i see.
Similarly but is you know one of the more, polarizing
if you, will quarterbacks is so interesting in party because
there is it's so much of all, right is? It are?
We you? Know LIKE i argue With wild's about. It

(42:31):
wild's basically his take is THAT i believe when The niners,
Win shanahan, won and when they, lose party, loss like
is you know that The shanahan gets the credit and
doesn't get the? Blame and my my actual take is
THAT i think that there is there are a lot

(42:52):
of factors that have gone into why a quarterback who
everyone in the, league including The, niners thought was not that,
good has had statistically one of the three or four
greatest starts to a career in the history of the.
SPORT I i understand there are. MISSES i get. IT

(43:15):
i Know brady went one ninety. NINE i understand all.
That BUT i when people with purty people will, say
you would feel differently if he were the number one,
Pick and my answer is because if you were the
number that's, look because that's that's, yeah you wouldn't the.
Draft it's not, random like if you were the number one,

(43:36):
pick he wouldn't be under some he would have a sight,
well he would like there's real things.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Too Tony romo was undrafted When Bill parcells found. Him
so the first four to five years Of Tony romo's
roster was.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
GREAT i didn't pay m. Anything he was. Free the
minute they started Paying Tony, romo.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
The offensive line wasn't as, good And Tony romo couldn't
win big, games even Though Tony romo is a really
GOOD b PLUS a minus.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Quarterback But tony rome was. Free Kurt warner early in his,
career WHO i think is, great undervalued, historically you, know
came into the. League he was.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Free there's no question that Brock purty's lineup was. STACKED i,
mean it's it's.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Well that well and, listen we don't we've done the
party thing. Before what is so frustrating to me about
the pretty thing is and maybe this is why it's
an ARGUMENT i can't get over is AND i And
i'm gonna make this, point you, know till the end
of my, career as long as this is. Relevant four
years folks argued About Jimmy, garoppolo he is he just a?

(44:37):
Winner is he? Underrated you? Know is you? Know? Was
did he Make brady nervous because he was breathing down his?
Neck and then there were folks like. Me he was, like,
AH i actually think he's pretty, mediocre and they'd be like,
no that team was. Terrible and then he got. There

(44:58):
they went to AN nfc championship, game they went to
a Super, bowl AND i kept, saying, YEAH i really
think twenty five quarterbacks in the, league if you gave
them the defense The niners, had then that head, coach those,
weapons they would be incredibly. Successful and it's, like, well

(45:19):
that's a. Hypothetical we'll never. Know and then they literally
replaced him with the last pick of the draft had
the exact same level of, success and those same people
instead of being like, shit maybe you're, right they're like
that new, guy he's fucking awesome. Too i'm, like you
gotta be kidding. Me i'm, like they literally did. It

(45:40):
they didn't replace him with a first round. Pick they
replaced him with the last pick of the. Draft and
guess what they. Did they went to AN nfc championship,
game like they did With. Jimmy they then went to
A Super. Bowl like they did With, jimmy they lost
The Super bowl to literally the same team in very similar,
fashion And you're, like turns out they're both. Awesome and
Then i'm, like, hey by the oh, wait How's groppolo

(46:01):
look that he's. Gone they're, like, oh, well you, know.
INJURIES i. Guess i'm, like or maybe he's. Stuck LIKE
i Think party's obviously better Than, Groppolo but Like garppolo
was a is a below average quarterback who looked quite.
GOOD i Think party's an average quarterback who looks great
in the exact same. System and by the, Way Jimmie

(46:22):
garoppolo never Had christian. McCaffrey AND i just feel myself going,
Crazy you're and then they paid him fifty three million,
Dollars so what DO i?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Know so on, It i've always thought it's. INTERESTING i
didn't grow up with a lot of.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
TRADITION i went to.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
CHURCH i went To Sunday school probably two or three
times as a. Kid my family Was, protestant But i'm.
Agnostic i've said that.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
On the air a million.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
TIMES i have no idea what's out, There much LIKE
Covid i'm not an, epidemiologist nor DO i have any
expertise in. RELIGION i just don't. Know SO i did
not grow UP i had divorces for my. PARENTS i
did not grow up in a traditional family like many

(47:05):
of my. Listeners so THEREFORE i understand people who really
gravitate to. Tradition it is kind of remarkable though forty
percent Of america lives in the zip code they were born.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
In that's almost. Half that's that's pretty.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Crazy i'm now in a new, City, chicago LIKE i
just have moved my whole, life And i'm giving about two.
Weeks i'm totally. Comfortable SO i understand THAT i don't really.
Care i'm not A usc, graduate BUT i just think things.
Change AND usc moved into a much better, conference and
the only people that followed him to The big ten Were, Oregon,

(47:41):
washington AND, ucla their three biggest. Rivals so they lost
all the bad teams in The pac. Twelve they entered
a much better conference with the three toughest teams to,
beat and now we have a twelve team playoff where
they could play four other great teams at the end
of the. Year it is amazing what tradition. Does it
makes smart men beautiful women in, sports makes smart men.
Dumb it is remarkable to me that people are clinging

(48:04):
to this game and do not understand That Lincoln riley
is paid to get to the, playoff nothing.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
More he could BEAT ucla thirty eight years in a.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Row if he never got to the, playoff he would
last thirty eight, years he'd last three. More and That
i'm confounded by people that don't see WHAT usc is,
doing which is, basically we.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Want to get to the.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Playoff we don't want to Play, Michigan Ohio, State, Oregon,
Washington Penn state and then have A november game In South,
Bend indiana as a warm weather. Team i've told you this.
Before there's never been A dome. Dynasty marino was not a.
Dynasty Warm weather teams when the playoffs are outdoors In,
january are at a. Disadvantage that's why The, patriots The,

(48:51):
ravens The, eagles The, chiefs The, packers The Seahawks San
francisco have felt kind of like Dynasties dallas a, little
but it's colder And dallas in the winter than people.
Think SO usc is, like, hey, listen we don't want
five cold games against five? Powers are you now you're
not a huge college football. Fan you've told me, This
but is there ever anything like this that you're? Shocked

(49:15):
maybe it's the rock pretty, Situation you're, shocked people are
struggling with.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Change, no so, no, No BUT I i actually want
to stay on this BECAUSE i do have a question
for you on, it Because i've heard you talk about,
this and this would be. PUSHBACK i don't even know
if it's, pushback just my. Concern my concern would, be

(49:39):
you're right What Lincoln riley's job, Is but, this to
me is like the first cousin of what My we've
talked about this my when we talk about baseball changing
rules and THE nba potentially needing to change, rules and
about how the GM's job is to build a team

(50:03):
under the current. Rules the coach's job is to look
at the current rules and construct the best strategy. Possible
the commissioner's job is to make sure the product is
as entertaining as possible and to make sure it gets
the most eyeballs as. Possible and my question would, be
do you think holistically college football runs a risk the

(50:27):
more it just markets itself as a minor LEAGUE nfl
when is if people love football at the highest, level
THE nfl is the place to. Go but there are
a lot of people in this country way more so
with THE nfl and college football than there is with

(50:48):
college basketball in THE, nba where you ask them and they,
say college football is my. FAVORITE i watch THE. NFL
i love college, football and a lot of that is
is the, tradition the, rivalries the, pageantry the fucking cheerleaders
and The saturdays and all of. It do you not

(51:11):
worry at all that because there is no commissioner of
college football because everyone is just thinking what is best
for me right now that there isn't a risk for
the sport as a, whole that usc notre. Dame even
as a guy who doesn't, care LIKE i just not
THAT i don't care about college. Football it's like my

(51:32):
seventh favorite thing in. Sports i'm, like well that going
away would, Suck like that's like AND i don't like.
That to me is something THAT i think can't be,
missed which is whether it should, matter it. DOESN'T i
don't think it's best for college football to just be

(51:55):
THE nfl with younger.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
People it's not going to be it's going to become
co edge basketball with a different. Ball that the best
thing about it will be it's three and a half
week tournament at the, end is that that's what it'll.
Be it won't be a poor MAN'S. Nfl it'll be
a superman's college. Basketball it'll be a better version of

(52:19):
what college basketball is where the regular season's fun and
there's some, rivalries but it's about that sixteen team playoff
at the, end and it'll be four to five. Weeks
it'll be you, know jet fuel AND i Mean Texas
georgia last year gets a monster, number Not Texas. Oklahoma
and That Auburn alabama will always. Play and by the,

(52:41):
Way Ohio, State michigan will always Play. Michigan Michigan state will.
Play but there will be a handful of rivalries that
will possibly, subside and that that's just the cost of
doing of shifting the importance To. December december was always
The Holiday, bowl The Citrus. Bowl it was A i
always was bummed. OUT i ALWAYS i went To Larry

(53:02):
jones when he was like the guy At fox who
like paid for bulls and negotiated. Deals i'm, like let's
get more. Bulls he, goes they all lose, money And i'm,
like what a. BUMMER i wish we had like ten.
Bulls and in the, end The bulls felt bigger than they.
Were they're independent. Films they make the artists and the actors,
happy but most. Don't most are not reservoir, docs, Right

(53:25):
and so the bull, games you, know made sponsors, happy
but they didn't sell out and they didn't necessarily get a.
Rating and so basically it's going to be a hyper
version Of march. Madness eventually it needs to build up
the culture and build up you, know like we have
to get used To december being.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Amazing, No SO i so THAT'S i mean that so
that that's a really smart kind of way to look at,
it which is the Rich man's college. Basketball but and
again MAYBE i the WAY i like things doesn't mean
it's the right. Way BUT i have to tell, you

(54:04):
IF i were in charge of a sport very far
down the list of, sports That i'd be, like you know,
what we should emulate men's college basket where for four
months people are not all that. Interested and then it
is you do, like and this is this is something

(54:27):
that maybe the world's changing in that where it is
It's is it more valuable to have everyone's rapped attention
for three weeks and be you, know off the radar
for forty nine than to have a lot of people's
pretty and good attention for twelve weeks but to never

(54:49):
be the. ZEITGEIST i don't, Know like Maybe i've talked
to our Friend maverick about, this which is is a
belief that like we are moving to where it's all about,
events that's, Right he's LIKELY i talked with. Him in college,
football it'll be an, event, right an event like where
you can have people over and be like we Are

(55:12):
why he said this is why he thought THE nfl
was so successful is they could make so many games
feel like an event that the you, know The Jake,
Paul Mike, tyson that was an, event a, moment rather
than inventory of a bunch of. Stuff maybe that's where we're.
Headed maybe when everything is so, fragmented that's attention you

(55:36):
need stand. Alone here's the.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Thing IF i had to, say here's eight things that
are going to work going. Forward The World, cup The
olympics depending on, teams The World, Series March, madness THE,
nfl The College Football, playoff and if you get really
POPULAR ufc, fighters BIG ufc. Events those will all, work

(55:59):
and then what's going to struggle is The Major League,
baseball THE, mls THE nba and THE nhl regular. Season
fox has tried to inject the game In London Mets
phillies the field of, dreams like that's.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
The rickwood, field the field of. Dreams that's cool and
and again not to sound like a company, shill the
Way fox made our show The indy five hundred feel.
Huge america. Responded five million people watched it last year seven.
MILLION i watched. It they watched it, right people were

(56:38):
in and so that maybe that is the. Answer maybe
it is turning things into. Events that, ALSO i you,
KNOW i pitched this one hundred. Times i'll pitch it
to you. Here it also is another. Reason and if
anyone ever does, this Because i've been pitching it for a,
decade just make me some consultant on the. LEAGUE i

(56:58):
still believe there is a market for, boxing AND i
think that with all This sauty money or whatever it,
is if somebody you would need a few. Billionaires i've
been talking about this for ten. Years to go to
the top sixteen fighters in every weight, class and say

(57:23):
who is your promoter and YOUR, tv whats your who
is your contract? With why you know the reason that
there's seven belts in this and you can't, Fight we're
buying them all, out everyone, out and here's the. Deal
we are signing you to the. League our league has
very simple. Rules you fight four times a. Year you

(57:48):
have an official. Ranking the. Rank the ranking says if
you are the eighth ranked, fighter you fight the ninth
ranked fighter In you, know we have monthly pay per.
Views we have four weight, classes we have one belt
per weight, class and every single pay per view one
of the belts is going to be on the. Line

(58:10):
everyone's going to know every month there is a big
event and guess. What being the heavyweight champion of the
world is going to mean something again and everyone's going
to know who it is because it's one. Person because
as as much as successful AS ufc has, BEEN i

(58:31):
still believe that there is a barrier to entry FOR
ufc that does not exist for, boxing which is nobody
ever has been, like, YEAH i don't understand that. Sport with,
boxing it's very fucking. Simple it's, like, hey they're gonna

(58:51):
punch each other and someone might get knocked. Out AND
i LIKE. UFC i don't think it's that hard to,
understand but everyone has been, like, OH i don't get,
it like how is this? Scoring like? What and so
if somebody just Took Dana WHITE'S ufc model and made
it a boxing. Model and the other free advice here, is, hey,

(59:13):
guys people are worried about judge. CORRUPTION i don't know
how much judges, cost but you know how to make
sure there's not. Corruption instead of having, three have nine
and do the figure skating scoring, thing which is the
highest and the lowest scores don't even count and it's
the seven scorecards done. FIXED i think boxing could be
a big eventing in as. Well LIKE i think people

(59:36):
people are into it if they feel like it's on
the level and they know the. People you just have
to know the people. Involved but there's it's two, says.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah, Listen i've gone to more boxing THAN i HAVE,
ufc AND i say that having the last six years
gone to at least THREE ufc fights per. Year so
WHEN i was In, vegas.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
You lived In, vegas you used to go every.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Week and, Right SO i LOVE, ufc BUT i do
Think John jones And connor McGregor were, dynamite and when
you take them, out it's looking for there's some GUYS i,
like there's five or six Guys i'm really.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Into but it.

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DOES i, mean boxing has always been somewhat beholden like.
Basketball it's a star driven sport like TWO. A you,
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Sports do you let me ask you? One let me
ask you a football question that we is a dumb
kind of more of a dumb SPORTS tv, thing BUT
i actually want to know what you think of. It

(01:02:02):
have The chiefs Become america's team or will that always
be The?

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
No in, fact The cowboys were tied for third in total,
audience and that's Because fox puts them on games they
probably shouldn't, be but because the biggest draws right now
are The chiefs and The bills and The ravens and
The niners are also big in The. Packers BUT i

(01:02:28):
think after this year When dallas wins five to six,
games BECAUSE i think they have the worst probably head
coach in the, league arguably Good. COURT i think he
was an average. COORDINATOR i think he's MORE i think.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
YEAH i, mean certainly the most unproven and the oddest. Hyeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Yeah so my take Is dallas will be the fourth
most watch team in the league after this. Year, Now
fox may because Of fox promotion and marketing ability and production,
values we may be able to prop up The cowboys.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Juicy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
YEAH i, Mean fox just does. It fox gives, you
like if you Give fox, baseball it just is better
than other networks doing. Baseball fox is really good At
Eric shanks lived in a. Truck that's how YOUR. Ceo
everybody has a. Specialty bodenheimer was sales WHEN i was AT.
ESPN espn could monetize anything. Anything shanks grew up in a.

(01:03:20):
Truck so our production values are. Sensational they always have.
BEEN i MEAN i said this a couple of years.
Ago the five to six hour Live Super bowls from
opening moment the pregame show starts to the, end they're,
Majestic they're like as good As american television gets for.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Us live five.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Hours so SO i Think fox may prop The cowboys,
up but if you put them on another, network they.
Wouldn't they wouldn't resonate as. Much but they're Not they're
not a fun. Team dak is a boring, player a
second lower body body. Injury he's not hyper, athletic he
doesn't have a big. Arm they have a couple of interesting.
Receivers they're not to. Watch philadelphia is fun to, Watch

(01:04:02):
detroit's fun to, Watch, Buffalo Kansas. City there's some teams
in this league THAT I i mean like when the
receivers are. Healthy houston's fun to watch when the receivers are,
Healthy cincinnati's fun to. Watch but, NO i THINK i
Think Kansas city is Actually america's.

Speaker 6 (01:04:18):
Team.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
ABSOLUTELY i don't think there's any.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Question AND i would say AND i would, Say buffalo
to me feels like number.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Two oh.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
LISTEN i Think buffalo is probably the team people the
team neutral fans root for the, most BECAUSE i think
people they look At buffalo not as an, underdog but like,
man they gotta get over at some. Point And Josh
allen is so, likable and The chiefs have kind of
become like, villains you, know to a degree all, That but,

(01:04:51):
YEAH i just THINK i think the team that is
the biggest draw, on the most interesting is The. Chiefs
and that the REASON i even asked it is it
just speaks to the power of THE nfl that the
most popular or most interesting team in the biggest league
in the country can be From Kansas, City. Missouri you
know WHAT i? Mean like that it isn't think about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
This think about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
This here's the sixth biggest brands in THE, nfl arguably
Now Kansas, City, Buffalo, Baltimore Green.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Bay, yeah, Uh San, francisco probably Still. Dallas but still
it's Not it's none of The New. York it's not IN,
la even though The rams are. Good uh, yeah all,
Right CAN i tell you something else because you'll like.
IT i don't know if there's something, Else, no, Please
i'm Gonna i'm gonna show you. Something so, look so

(01:05:44):
look at this. HERE i don't even know if you'll
be able to put it. Up see if you can
see At.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Nick, Right nick, right poker. Trading, okay now back it
up for the. Camera go the other.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Side turn. Around there we. Go look at, that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
SO i the here's the craziest piece of. THIS i
had to buy this On eBay BECAUSE i signed all
these for this, company BUT i didn't get like they
they're it's trading. Cards so they all got sent out in,
sets and the set they sent me didn't have my own,
card SO i had to pay like forty. Bucks that's
the going rate for a Nick Right poker or leaf trading.

(01:06:25):
Card but the REASON i brought it up is, because
AND i know you'll be excited about. This for, me
today is the first day of The World series Of,
poker and a week from, TODAY i fly To vegas
to play in like four. Tournaments So i'm gonna be In.
Vegas how much do you take From, well it's a,

(01:06:47):
wire but it'll BE i, Mean i'll tell you the
Tournaments i'm. Playing So i'm playing in the ten thousand
Dollars Dealer's. Choice so that's a tournament that it's it's
one of the most. Prestigious it's gonna be a bunch
of pros and. Me The Dealer's choice Means. Colin there's
twenty two different. Variations there's old school five card, draw

(01:07:11):
there's seven guard stud there's games you never heard, of
Like badoogie. Badoo, see they're twenty two different games could be,
played and every seven, hands a different player at the
table gets to, Say, okay for the next seven, hands
we're playing, this and then you gotta play. It so
that is you have to be able to like you

(01:07:32):
have to a know the rules and how to play
every single one of the, games and b you have
to be able to pick up On oh, wait that
person made a grievous mistake on that, game So i'm
gonna everyone should call that game until that person's out
here because they're drawing dead at. It it's really like
a fascinating. Way So i'm gonna play. That i'm gonna

(01:07:54):
play the ten thousand dollars seven guard stud and Then
i'm gonna play a fifteen hundred dollars bad, tournament which
but doogie is you get four cards that to draw a,
game you need all four suits as low cards as.
Possible seems, silly it's. Awesome and Then i'm gonna play
what is the silliest tournament And world series of poker,
history which is the pot Limit Omaha Double Board Bomb Pop.

(01:08:17):
Tournament but that none of that those specifics are more
interesting to real poker. Players what is exciting for me
is literally as we speak right, now there is a
a twenty five thousand dollars ten team fantasy draft going
on with the WIN i think it's winner take all

(01:08:39):
where it's a world series of poker fantasy. Draft so
it's like football. Players so Like Phil, hellmuth every team
involved ten ten teams or people put up twenty five,
grand they sell pieces of it, whatever and then a
guy Like Phil, hellmuth every team has two hundred dollars in,
salaries and then they do an auction for the. Players

(01:09:04):
and however well you do in the, tournaments is you
know how many points you get for your. Team so
Like phil helm youth will probably go for like one
hundred bucks or whatever it. Is AND i think there's a,
chance probably just on a, lark but that somebody pays
one dollar to draft me to be on their. World
there is a poker fantasy team in CASE i bank

(01:09:25):
one of these. Tournaments So i've been While i've been
talking to, you when you've seen me glance down at my,
Phone i've been trying to check and see if somebody
did what is probably bad general managing but spend a
dollar to have my results of The World series count
for their fantasy. Team SO i know all of this
is very complicated and confusing for people aren't poker, Players

(01:09:47):
but for people who are poker, players this is maybe
the single coolest thing about being me is that because
of my, success whatever that is in my professional, Life
i've got to basically just parachute into part time professional
poker player and play with all of the best players
in the. World AND i love it so. Much and

(01:10:08):
The World series starts today And i'll be out there
in a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Week so is there a resentment in the industry because
you've been able to parachute.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
In, no because anybody. Can because that's the great thing about.
Poker every tournament's open. Entry you just got to fork
up the, money you know WHAT i.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Mean, so LIKE, i IF i asked you so AND
i want you you can have hubrius.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Confidence IF i said to.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
You truly, publicly how where do you rank in the
World IF i said to, you are you a top
thirty poker player in the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
World, no, no zero percent, chance zero percent, chance no, no,
no nowhere close to. That but this is what's so
interesting about. Poker you want some of them most profitable
poker players in the, world of WHICH i am not
even close to any of, that but are not top

(01:11:07):
one thousand. Players they are just good players who only
play with awful. Players poker's really weird like. That, like
so here is the part where these tournaments are a different,
story because anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Can it's the opposite of, golf where your score is
your score on the. Course it doesn't matter who you play.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
With. Correct, Correct it's the exact opposite WHERE i where
WHERE i am very lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
You play against great, Players, well, no you don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
TO i in these, TOURNAMENTS i play against great, players
and that's just fun to like test. Myself but as
far as like cash games or if like you're trying
to make, money what you want is to get invited
to the games with like the tech, billionaires the retired athletes'
influencers or whatever it, is, right and those GAMES i

(01:12:05):
can get into a lot of those. Games, now a
lot of those games That i've been invited, TO i
actually don't, have like the bank roll for him those
games people are bringing five, six seven hundred thousand dollars to.
Them but the actual best players in the world don't
get invited to those. Games they're, like why would we invite? You,
like why would we invite a great player to those?

(01:12:28):
Games SO i don't, know it's just it's just WHAT i.
LOVE i played poker SINCE i was nine years. Old
i'm forty and, now LIKE i through WHAT i. DO
i know all the best players in the. WORLD i
can pick their brain on, stuff AND i you, know
in a, Week i'm gonna go To vegas and see
HOW i do in some of these. Tournaments it's very.

(01:12:49):
EXCITING i, know it's, nerdy it's so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Exciting you never answered the question how much will you wire?
To how much?

Speaker 6 (01:12:56):
Money, oh like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Like Sixty OH i thought it was going to be
like a quarter million or. Something, No, No you've made
a lot of money planned.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Poker i've made a. Lot, YEAH i, Know i've made
a lot Of, well thank. YOU i shouldn't have said,
YEAH i, know but, no because IF i know the those,
Tournaments that's WHY i told. You the two big tournaments
are ten thousand dollars to enter, each so there's Twenty
there's two more twenty five hundred dollars, tournaments so there's twenty,
five and then the rest like cash game stuff. Whatever

(01:13:30):
but here's the other thing that's very interesting about this poker,
world about gambling. WORLD i IF, i by the, way
IF i wired a quarter of a million dollars to
the To, VEGAS I i. DON'T i don't know how
much MONEY i would have to make a year for.
That not to annoy my wife THAT i wired a

(01:13:52):
quarter of a million dollars, somewhere but it's a lot
more THAN i currently. Make and uh, so But i'll
tell you a quick story that you'll. Love SO I
SO i. WENT i was In vegas for something whatever it.
Was this was like two months. AGO i didn't even
THINK i was, going and THEN i, went and it.

(01:14:14):
WAS i was just there A sunday to A. Tuesday
and That sunday, NIGHT i walked by The aria Or
i'm is staying in the. Area BUT i walked by
the poker room AND i see a GUY i, know
and oh, oh and THAT ufc fighter WHO i don't,
Like Colby, covington the GUY i always talked About. Lebron

(01:14:36):
they're playing in a private game in the high limit
room IN. Aria AND i walked by and, say you,
know and say hello to the. GUY i know, there
but he's getting ready to leave since AND i was
just coming in and say hello and, uh and he's, like,
Oh i'm. Leaving he's, like do you want my? Seat
And i'm, like oh, No LIKE i was just saying.

(01:14:58):
HI i was, LIKE i DIDN'T i didn't even KNOW
i was coming To vegas until. Yesterday It's. SUNDAY i was,
LIKE i have no money, here so thank you the
guy whose. Game it was credit to this Guy and
i'd say his name BECAUSE i want to give him the,
compliment BUT i don't want to say his name BECAUSE
i don't know if he'd want this out. There he
just flicks me two twenty five thousand dollars chips cool

(01:15:22):
and it's like and is, like just text. Me he's,
Like i'm going to text, you give me your. Number
he was, like you're good for. IT i know we've never.
Met he JUST i WAS i knew his buddy who
was in the, game he maybe knew me from the,
show and was just, Like, eh this guy's probably not

(01:15:42):
gonna stiff me on fifty thousand dollars and just tossed
it to me SO i could play in the. Game
so there is a and now luckily that NIGHT i
played for a few, HOURS i won like two grand
the SO i just gave him, back you, know those
two chips and cast out whatever it. Was but there
is a real like almost you, know just, hey in

(01:16:07):
my notes app it says you owe me seventy, grand,
like you, know like there's a lot of amongst the
guys who play a lot like just, Hey i'll spot,
you you spot me, this that or the. Other BUT i,
never even in the, GAMES i never ever ever play
on credit like. THAT i did that WHEN i played
was in college and didn't have any, money and it's

(01:16:29):
the only Time i've ever really like gotten myself in
a really bad spot, gambling where so you play on,
credit you can gamble money you don't. Have but it's
just it was so funny just being out In. Vegas
the GUY i literally shook hands with for the first
time ever just tossed me to twenty five thousand others,
chips like, okay, well well you're up at the end
of the. Night i'm, like, oh you're very.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
You're very mathy. Like to, me playing poker feels like.
Punishment it's like the Movie. Papion it's my. PRISON i
would JUST i wouldn't know what to. DO i JUST
i can't sitting.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Down it so funny when they invite me to. Games
my Buddy Brent, hanks who sets up all THE tv
games For, poker go almost every time he invites, me he,
says he's, like In Tel, coward we've got a seat
for him. Too i'm, like he's not. PLAYING i was
like there AND i was, LIKE i was, Like i'm

(01:17:22):
just telling, you he's not. PLAYING i was, Like I'M
i Think colin could pick it. Up but it's it's
not it is not what interests, him it's what interests.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Me And i'm so everybody's got like it's very cool
when you can have a hobby and the hobby becomes
lucrative and it's you are you AND i have talked
about this privately. Before but it is a revenue stream
which he can't count on like most revenue, streams but
it will be a lifetime revenue stream for you because
you're good enough that, you on average will. Win and

(01:17:52):
poker is not a game of chance like roulette or
even sports. Betting there are so many factors that Mitigate.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Oh it's and it's very hard to be a profitable sports.
Better and the thing for me, though is, this IF
i can just be a break even poker, player all
make money in poker BECAUSE i now get to do
a lot of cool poker broadcasting, stuff you know WHAT i,
mean like calling, events like doing, things and so like

(01:18:23):
THE i can probably put myself in like this ten
like this ten thousand Dollars Dealer's choice. Tournament what you,
know in, poker they talk ABOUT ev the expected. VALUE
i am MINUS ev in that LIKE i am entering
of the one hundred tournaments of The World series Of
poker this. Summer this ten thousand Dollars Dealer's choice is

(01:18:45):
probably one of the six hardest, fields meaning more professionals
versus recreational players of any of. Them and so that
is from a financial, perspective that's one of the dumbest
TOURNAMENTS i can. Enter BUT i just want to play
against the best in the world and see How i'm,
sure like you know WHAT i, Mean LIKE i can

(01:19:06):
uh it to, me is worth it to take that?
Shot and IF i were to do, well it's just
lifetime like bragging rights in that. Tournament and my my
only hobby is there's no way to make money it's
expensive and IT'S i love getting on a plane and

(01:19:26):
going To.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
EUROPE i love. It it's my. Favorite the HAPPIEST i
am will Be thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Night well, yeah And thursday Night i'll be getting on
a flight to go see my son who's taking a
class over, there and we'll go To copenhagen In, london
And i'm in my, heaven just going you, know business,
class eat glass of, wine the whole thing picked.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Up it's my.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Favorite it's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Thing i've told my wife she doesn't like travel as
much AS i, do But i've always said, going you, know,
Mom british going To. Europe i've got you, know there's
just a lot of places In. ENGLAND i know where
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
If your son In london or In no he's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
In london And i'm gonna go meet him there and
Then we're gonna head off To. Copenhagen we. Go we
tried to go To we went To iceland a couple of.
Years every couple of, years we try to go somewhere.
International that to me is and by the, way there's.
It you just hemorrhage money.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Travel international travel if you want to do it right is,
uh it's no.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Jokes but it's WHERE i will agree with, you and
then it's. It i've never felt LIKE i wasted money
on a good meal or a good. Vacation, Never i've
never felt like that. SUCKED i should would have been.

(01:20:42):
Better like where, ELSE i don't know a better way
to spend the money rather than to like see different
parts of the, world you, know experience different cultures or
to eat great. Food The london is one of the
Places i've never.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Known my favorite city in the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
World, see so tell me before we, go BECAUSE i
know we got to. GO i live In New York.
City yeah. Right how Is london not Just New york
with way worse?

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Food, well because it doesn't smell like weed and urine
everywhere you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
WALK i MEAN i probably does a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
LITTLE i, THINK i, MEAN i think it is. WELL
i mean it's Like zurich And london are like it's
a moneyed.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Crowd it is incredible, hotels incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
SERVICE i like to. Walk i'm a, Walker so for,
me you, KNOW i bring tennis shoes AND i literally
every morning get, Up i'll go walk through the parks
for two hours and then the cab systems. Amazing you
have to train for like four. Years to be A
cabby you have to know every street In, london so
it's a four year. Process so it's like a tour.

(01:21:53):
Guide The cabby's are like a tour, guide so you,
know you give them ten pounds and you go drive
to drive THE i, JUST i just it works for.
Me I've i've told my wife. This there's something About.
London WHEN i, LAND i feel Like i'm. HOME i
don't even know what it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Is, well isn't? IT i, mean isn't what it? Is
your mom's from, There.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Yeah And i've been there enough that but it's it's
really it's, uh it just for whatever. Reason i'm sure
there's somebody that's listening that they go To hawaii every,
year they go To greece and it feels the. Same
it's just as much fun AS i can.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
HAVE i love.

Speaker 6 (01:22:26):
It.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Well, listen my takeaway from this is tough beat For
fox because four years from, Now coward is gonna be
Like chicago was. Fun what do you think about me
doing the herd From? London, like what's it gonna what's the? Difference?

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
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