May 30, 2025 • 32 mins
Jason talks to NFL and Cowboys reporter David Helman about the what to expect from the Cowboys this coming season, Jalen Hurts, and more
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Special guest joining us here in the studio, David Hellman
covers the NFL for Fox. Has a podcast as well,
Uh the NFL on Fox podcast. Also just got engaged
and he's got a wedding coming up.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Very exciting. Sorry to put you on blast there man,
big time.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
No, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
As an old married guy, get excited hearing these stories.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
We love the pub. Shout out Carmen, my wonderful fiance. Yeah,
it's an exciting time. Happy to be here with y'all.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, and what's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I don't know nothing in cowboys world, nothing ever going on, Always.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Something going on in cal.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
We got a clip we want to play for you,
Brian Schottenheimer. I don't want to blast the guy, but
he was with the Jets and he was terrible.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
He's your new gad coach and the Cowboys. Here's what
he had to say about Dak. Prescott is veteran quarterback.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
I think Dak is in the developmental phase. And that
sounds crazy for you guys played that much. But like
there's things that we're tweaking with Dak, the bones of
it is still very similar. You know, there's going to
be changes. That's part of football. That's whether there's a
coaching change or not. I think it's a little bit
where if you have to have your system, then I think,
to me, just my opinion, not disagreeing with Zoom, to me,
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your system should be flexible enough to where you adjust
some things, but you keep some things in place because
it's our job as coaches to we spend more time
on it than the players do.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Uh huh. I'll let you take it away.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Can I be honest?
Speaker 6 (01:45):
I don't see the story. Oh, I don't see the
story here. This is very typical. It's late May and
we've got a long way to go to training camp,
and I think that's what's happening here. Because the full
context of that quote is that Brian Schottenheimer was asked
about their new backup Joe Milton, big cannon armed guy.
He was with the Patriots beat the Bills at the
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end of last year. He was asked about him being
a developmental quarterback, a guy who needs a lot of work,
and Brian Schottenheimer was like, yeah, Dak is a developmental
quarterback to all quarterbacks. All football players are supposed to
be continually improving and developing, are they not.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
It's coach speak.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
And he happens to coach the Dallas Cowboys, and I
think that's probably why we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, the quote came out the same week that
Pro Football Focus ranked Dak as the seventeenth best quarterback
in the league.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I mean, he had been fringe top ten for a while.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Yeah, he was an.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
MVP candidate two years ago. And again, I know, these
rankings is what we do in the off season. We
rank every position, but seventeen feels I mean, he's below
Jordan Love.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I don't know. I mean CJ.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Stroud, I saw Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence, Kyler Murray. I mean,
I try my best not to get angry about that stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Because because I do it too. I do it for
Fox Sports.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
People get mad at me from my opinions about this
stuff all the time. I'm not gonna get mad and
blast anybody, but you just said it, j Mac.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
I mean, Dak was an MVP candidate two years ago.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
He was an All Pro, which the definition of all
Pro means you're one of the best two quarterbacks in
the league. In twenty twenty three, he was one of
the best handful of quarterbacks playing the game. If you
want to ding him because he got hurt, and I
think it's fair to say he's got a history of
getting hurt at this point, it's been three seasons now
that he's had a significant injury that held him out
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for a substantial period of time. If that bothers you
and you want to drop him, totally fine with me.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Seventeen pretty harsh, Yeah, Like if we're being honest, like
Gino Smith, Okay, well, like I'm sorry, what.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Are there are?
Speaker 6 (03:44):
At least I would guess there are six quarterbacks on
that list that haven't accomplished anywhere near as much as
Dak prescottins it just it is again, he is the
quarterback of the Dallas Dallas and that goes with the dinner.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
As Jason Garrett used to say, So.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Let me ask.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
He's got CD Lamb and Pickens now, and we know
Pickens had a bit of a checkered run in Pittsburgh,
flashes of greatness and then you know, dogging it on
some routes and blocking, but he is playing for a contract.
I just wonder schedule early is favorable. Is there a
world where this Pickens things works opposite Lamb?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Oh, I would be shocked if it doesn't work. Oh,
I would be shocked if it doesn't work. And I'm
not saying that the Cowboys are Super Bowl contenders or
that any of that crazy stuff is going to happen.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
That's not my point.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
It's going to work from a standpoint of this offense
being fun and exciting in my opinion, and that's what
makes it worth it in my opinion, is that the
Cowboys were boring last year and their offense, even with
Ceedee Lamb, hasn't been as fun as you would expect
for what they pay everybody. This has potential to work.
George Pickens is a good player. He's had thousand yard seasons,
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He's had big moments without good quarterback play. Dak Prescott
is easily without even thinking about it, without himming or hauling.
He is the best quarterback George Pickens has ever played with.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Dak.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Prescott has played beautiful football with CD. He's done it
with Amari Cooper. He got Randall Cobb a crazy contract
way back when he got Randall Cobb a twenty million
dollar contract well into his career because he played so
well with the Cowboys in twenty nineteen. Dak can get
the ball to his receivers. Pickens compliments CD really well.
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As on top of that, he is an ex receiver
and outside threat who can go down get balls outside
the numbers. That's not not to say cde let Lamb
can't do that, but that's not CD's games.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
CD is a slot Officionado.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
They pair really well. They have a great quarterback. The
Cowboys offensive line should be better this year. I don't
know what the record is, but I think the Cowboys
offense is going to be fun because of this trade.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
So it could let me push back.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So I think Dak's gonna see a lot of too
high safety because probably it's running game like, so they
move off Paulard, I get that.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Then they move off doubtell. But this is the running
back group.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Javonte Williams, who I had in fantasy last year.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
He was a bust.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I mean that guy's and then Miles Sanders is the
backup Douce Vaughan.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Jayden Blue out of Texas.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
And yeah he's a burner, but that's not gonna scare anybody.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
It's the running back room gives me pause. And it's
gonna be interesting to see. The Cowboys are making a bet.
They drafted Tyler Booker. You came on the NFL on
Fox podcast and talked about that with me. They drafted
a guard. Their bet is that the offensive line can
be good enough to mitigate that their running back rooms
not that great. I'm not trying to sell anybody on
Miles Sanders, but he wasn't eleven hundred yard back in
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Philly running behind the best offensive line at football. So
if he's got guys up front, he can be a
useful player. Between between those three options, Sanders, Williams and
Jayden Blue.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I think it can be fine.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
It's it's definitely not worth getting excited about, but I
think it can be fine.
Speaker 8 (06:51):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
It could be fine.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
All right, all right, let's talk to the division. I
want you to rank the quarterbacks. In the NFC least.
I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to call it that, and
I'm setting this up for a next question, but go ahead,
let's hear it.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
You're just you're setting me up to get clipped out
on the internet.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Real, No, I'm not not at all here.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
All right, here's here's okay, we'll put we'll put No,
this is this just be honest, keep you.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I will.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
I will do Jalen Hurts the respect of ranking him
number one after guiding a team to the Super Bowl Championship,
especially with Dak Prescott coming off another injury. I think
Dak is a better pure quarterback than Jalen Hurts, but
I will give Jalen Hurts the respect of putting him
on top of that right now, then I go Dak,
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and look, we all know, we all know.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Look I went to LSU. We all know. Jaden Daniels's
the beast. He was amazing last year.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
I would just like to point out we were doing
this same thing about c J Stroud last year. Good point,
we were doing the same thing about CJ. It's not
to say Jaden's not the man. I just it's one year.
You don't know how this stuff is going to age.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
We don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
You know, linear progress does not always go in a
straight line. It's it's not a dog Jaden Daniels. I'd
just like to see a little bit more. We've got
a decade of results with Dak, We've got six years
of results and a Super Bowl championship with Jalen. So
I just need to see a little bit more. I'm
not trying to talk down on my guy, Jaden again.
I got an LSU tattoo on my arm, so stop,
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but I just I'd like to see more and then
and then whatever the giants got going on.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
So social team get on that clib you know, to
put the.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Commander's fans in my mentions for the next week.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
So I bring it up because Jalen hurts.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I don't feel like he's getting the respect he deserves it.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It feels like the guy just won the Super Bowl,
he won the MVP, he was killing it from the pocket.
He's he's got the most unstoppable play in the NFL
right now, and he's still not getting respect. I don't
get it. Why is he not considered a top five quarterback?
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Let's talk about Okay, how is how is Jalen Hurts
not getting respect? Because from where I'm looking at it,
he was just named the MVP of the Super Bowl.
He is a I don't know his contract off the
top of my head, but he is a well paid quarterback.
He's a fifty million dollar plus quarterback. He got his extension,
he won the Super Bowl, he was named Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
There are plenty of.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
People that think he is a top five quarterback and
at the worst most people rank him somewhere between like
eight and ten.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Is that not respect?
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Well, how good do you need to say Jalen Hurts
is do I need to put him above like Josh
Allen or Lamar Jackson Because I won't.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I won't do that.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I think there needs to be some ball washing of
a guy who is just amazing all season.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And let me add I would push.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Back, an amazing all season is not true.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
You're not amazing all season if the fans are rioting
after the way you play against Carolina and aj Brown
is talking to the media about the passing game struggling.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
He's a good player.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
He is a very good player, occasionally a great player.
To say that he was amazing all season, I think
we're rewriting history a little bit based on what happened
in that Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Okay, and there was I believe his Saints game. He
was the turnover prone.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
I remember betting the offense was a disaster through the
first five weeks of the season.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
How much of that is they have a different offensive
coordinator every year.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yeah, they have a different offensive coordinator.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I think they had to pivot and really say, hey,
let's get the ball to the best running back in
the game right now. Let's rewire this thing and make
sure Saquon Barkley is the engine that's driving this offense.
And I swear that's not to take credit away from
Jalen Hurts. He's made plenty of amazing plays this season.
But Saquon Barkley was the engine of that car that
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carried them to the Super Bowl. Saquon was the difference
maker for that offense.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I think difference makers fine. I think two years, two
or three years ago, when they got there, they didn't
have Saquon Barkley. Hurts was amazing right there.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It was phenomenal in that.
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Speaker 4 (10:53):
That's interesting.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
They they still had a dynamite running game that year.
Like I said, Jill Sanders was a twelve hundred yard
players like Barkley, but.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
He unlocks some new elements to the offense because you
had to you had to get it. Bring his safety
in the box and that makes it tough. Are you
gonna how you're gonna handle aj Brown deep? And then
DeVonta Smith and a good tight end play and then
Hurt scrambling. I think he had fourteen touchdowns.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
I'm glad we're I'm glad we're doing this because this
is something that I think about a lot.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Again, this is this is my job too. I think
about this stuff all the time. The whole point we
do this, the whole point of the league is to
win a super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
And we now know that. We ask this about everybody.
Can you win a super Bowl with this guy? Can
he get you over the hump in the playoffs? We
know that the answer with Jalen Hurts is yes. That's
all that matters to me. And like I said, I
will give him that respect. He is a quarterback that
is good enough to win you a Super Bowl, and
that's really all anybody should care about. I personally would
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not put him in my top five. Oh I wouldn't,
but I have him in the top ten. He's somewhere
in that range. He's a really good player. But I
get kind of annoyed when we're talking about a Super
Bowl MVP is being disrespected. A Super Bowl MVP on
a major contract that is going to be a starter
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in this league for a long time. I think Jalen
Hurts is getting plenty of respect.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So I guess the narrative on the internet is will
they have a stacked roster similar to the Brock Party? Dislike, Well,
he's got you McCaffrey, and he's got this loaded team.
And I think some of it has to do Dave
with the fact that they weren't first round picks. Like
Joe Burrow does not get dinged for having the best
wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Duo in the league. Patrick Mahomes has.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
An elite quarterback, sorry, an elite coach, and a top
five tight end all time, right, they don't get dinged
for that.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Lamar Lamar gets.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Dereck Henry first round plot Armor is definitely a thing.
First round picks get plot armor.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
What does that mean?
Speaker 6 (12:46):
People will work to find reasons why it's not your
fault if you were drafted in a certain range, and
guys who don't have that pedigree, I think have to
fight a little bit harder. And Jalen Hurts that has
been true, and he's had plenty of critics, plenty of
people criticize his ability as a passer, his consistency, his accuracy.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
But again, he won a super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
Yeah, that's that's all that should matter, and that that's
the point, and that's I think we lose the plot
where it's like.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Who gives a damn?
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Who says he's if he's if he's three, five, eight,
ten or twelve, he can win you a super Bowl,
which is the entire point of this game.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
That leads me to a good question.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
So you know, he went to a spot and they
had to configure the offense around him, which is smart.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
That's what they did with Lamar Jackson and West of one.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
The other thing is all of these teams should be
doing that.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
You should be trying to load your offense, you should
be trying to make it easier on your quarterback. The
point is not to hamstring your quarterback so he can
be more impressive.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
That's not what we should be doing.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
But I wonder, and we'll never know the answer. It's
all subjective.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
What if the Kansas City Chiefs had drafted Dak Prescott
and he had Andy Reid an offensive genius? Like is
Deck Prescott a super Bowl champion?
Speaker 4 (14:01):
He might be.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
I think landing spot has everything so so much to
do with it, And I mean, it's a fascinating conversation.
It's it's more than you can do in one TV segment,
because how much credit do you.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Give to the player?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Like could would Mahomes be this guy if he had
landed in Scarinville, Jacksonville, Cleveland, wherever, whatever you want to say,
The results probably would have been really really good.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
But would they be maybe already a Hall.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Of fameer good? I don't know. And it's an interesting thing.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean, we look at Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
He came out, this guy was supposed to be the
second Andrew Luck and what does he have?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
One playoff victory and a lot of disappointment.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
I mentioned first round pick plot armor. I still think
Trevor Lawrence is a really good place. I did I'm
not giving up on the guy, but we can't say
that he is better than some of these guys like
Jalen and like Dak that have accomplished more in the
NFL than he has. Even if I'm not ready to
give up on the idea that he could be really good.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I think I lost track of how many head coaches
he's had. It's three, maybe.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Three, now it's I mean it was it was Urban
when he got there, and Doug for a couple of years,
Doug Peterson for a couple of years, and now Lee's
doing that.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
So three guys four years in.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
The league, Andy Reid shits for a year and as
I mean again, I'm not digging Mahomes, I'm just saying, boy,
that must be nice.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
HU.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
I think this is this is the crux of why
people get so passionate about this on social media, is
they want to make sure everybody's taken to it into account. Like,
my guys had three coordinator changes in four years. My
guys had this at receiver. My guy the offensive line
hasn't give him a chance over the last five years.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
He doesn't have Andy Reed.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
So I understand why people get as passionate about this
as they do, but especially in the case of Jalen Hurts,
like you have you have accomplished the ultimate goal and
you are in position to do it at least once,
if not a few more times while Jalen Hurts is
still in his prime. If I was an Eagles fan,
I just I wouldn't care what anybody thought about my quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Let me go to the Detroit Lions real quick way
off the board, Like Jared Goff had a stack deck
in Detroit last year. A number one seed, don't feel
the vantage, great offensive line and they get just destroyed
by Jayden Daniels golf, like four interceptions, a terrible game.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
How big of a step back do they take this year?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Losing both coordinators and now they're not chasing anybody, they're
the targets, schedules not great.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I have them pulling back a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
The NFC.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
It's it's a tough world to live in, man, because
if you're a Lions fan, and I still think Kylie
of the Lions, But if you're a Lions fan, you're like,
the offensive line has been so key to our success.
It's mostly intact. We got golf we got the skill players.
We're getting Aiden Hutchinson back. I saw that he was
cleared for contact recently. Yeah, you're I mean the reason
the Lions fell apart the way they did is they
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had you know, they had volunteers playing on defense by
the end of the year. So if you're a Lions fan,
you're sitting there saying like it's all there for us,
like we can do this again.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
But we've seen what coordinator changes can do.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
I mean Philly, Philly, the team, the team that barely
lost to Super Bowl fell apart a year later after
their offensive and defensive play callers left. Aaron Glenn is
with your Jets now, and obviously Ben Johnson is down
in Chicago. Doesn't mean the Lions can't still be successful,
But don't try to tell me it doesn't matter either.
So how Dan Campbell navigates this is so interesting. I
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think I trust him. But I think I trust Dan
Campbell to identify the right guys to do this and
the right voices for the room and on, and he'll
pivot if he needs to. Because Ben Johnson didn't start
out as his play caller, he promoted him into that job.
So I trust Dan Campbell to have it figured out.
But you can't just handwave that stuff away like it
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doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So when the Giants stink in, Brian Dable gets fired,
where do you think he's coaching?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
So I had to set it up.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
You know what's funny.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
I'm I'm a little let me finish before you left.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I go for I'm a little bullish on the Giants,
like I think they're wait. Their roster is better than.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
I think people give it credit for, and I think
Brian Dable is a good coach. But then the schedule
came out and I looked at it and I was like, no,
I think they're screwed. Like I want, I want to
believe in the Giants, but that schedule is so tough.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
I don't have it in front of me.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
I just know it's something nuts, like six games against
playoff teams in the first eight weeks.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah, they go, oh, it's it is it's it's.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
It's a it's a grinder, man. It's so. I think
the Giants are not terrible.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
They'll be frisky.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Well, they could be frisky if they ever got a
chance to play somebody who wasn't a Super Bowl. So
I'm kind of with you, Like, I think the Giants
are a pretty good team. But I'm not going to
be surprised if Brian Dable has a couple of months
to think about where he wants to be. You know,
see like it's happened before, like that happened to Dan Quinn,
where like you get you get fired in like October
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and you or it happened to Robert Sala last year.
You have like you just have two or three months
to kind of think about what you want to do.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
I'm not gonna be surprised if that's Brian Dable.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Sorry Giants fans.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
As a Jets guy, I had to end that with
I said, I think they I like the roster, I
just really don't like the schedule. You're the one nobody
else likes them. Great stuff, David Helmet. Check out obviously
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Speaker 10 (20:30):
Of MotorCity for the Detroit Grand Prix.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
The IndyCar season continue Sunday at twelve thirty Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
All right, let's waste your time, Alix story with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
This is the herd Line News, right, Jay Mac, you've
been teasing this. Reports say that the Eagles have agreed
in principle to trade defensive end Rice Huff to the
San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
In exchange for a mid round pick.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Now, you're familiar with this guy because he was on
your jets from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three.
He actually had a career year in twenty twenty three,
career high ten sacks, and after that season that's when
he signed a three year, fifty one million dollar deal
with the Eagles.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
But he kind of had a.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
Down season, kind of kind of he only had but
two what does it say, two sacks and two and
a half sacks in twelve games exactly in the Super Bowl. Yeah,
only played thirteen snaps in the postseason, didn't play in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (21:31):
It's just you hope that maybe it was just.
Speaker 9 (21:35):
A down year and now he would be he's going
to be reunited with Sala in San Francisco. It's a
need that San Francisco needs. A ranked twenty third in
sacks last year.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
So a couple things.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So Number one, he was a situational guy with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Not in every down player.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, but situationally you're fresh, you could go in like yeah, boom,
and he dominated with the Jets. Then he goes to
the Eagles. They quickly found out, ooh, this guy's not
an every down guy, and.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Then he gets hurt.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
The forty nine ers pass rusher was in nimick last year,
so they drafted Mikail Williams out of Georgia, who's awesome.
Huff is going to be a situational guy. He should thrive.
I absolutely love this pick up. I'm just telling you guys,
now buy Niner stock. I think the super Bowl is
well within reach. You can doubt perty if you want.
That's fine. As long as Kittle and Trump Williams are healthy.
I think they are one or two in the NFC.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
I think it helps them so much that they had
such a bad season last year. Again, we talked about
this before the first like the two seasons before that,
they were the favorites, and it was like, this is
our super Bowl window. If they don't do it now,
they're not going to do it now. Nobody has any
expectations and they have one of the easiest schedules this
season going.
Speaker 10 (22:46):
To sneak up.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
This is this year that I think they can sneak up.
All right, let's move to the NBA. We had some
crazy performances as playoffs, but two really big standouts, both
Sga and Jalen Brunson, have entered into an exclusive but
they joined Lebron James and Michael Jordan as the only
players have more than thirty points at five assists in
at least ten games in a postseason run. So, if
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you're in the conversation with the Goats and go to
the own two other players in.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
This club, I star a pretty good company.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
What I'm not sure what to make I'm not sure
what to make of this. So Alex is it, hey man?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
We could cherry pick some stats and put you in
a discussion with Lebron.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Or is Jylen Brunson just been that freaking good?
Speaker 9 (23:33):
He's been that good? Why are you down on Brunston?
I thought you hi on Brunson.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I'm high on Brunson, but the three of those guys
play amazing defense, and Brunson's d has been a little
bit exposed.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Listen, I will tune you all out.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
If he could somehow get us a winning game six Saturday,
he's gonna.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Need to do more than thirty and five. That's for sure.
You're going into hostile territory game. You know they're gonna
load up on Bruns and say they don't have anybody
else who can beat us.
Speaker 10 (24:00):
Can't you do it?
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I think so, I think, but I jumped on the bandwagon.
Speaker 10 (24:05):
I got blinded and jumped on the bandwagon.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Alex.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Sometimes we go heart overhead and that hurts, and I
do that with the Jets way too much.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I hear the laughter from the Peanut gallery. Year.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I'm gonna take Nicks, but I'm not betting the game. No,
I don't have zero money. Really well, I bet Game
four and they lost that in India.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I was like, it's a rough conference following.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
You can't take it.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Hasn't it been a rough NBA playoffs for you? No?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
No, The Ndia class were good initially, okay, because I
had the Pacers.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Beating the Cats. That was a big, big win. Okay,
But I just I don't like the boiling as thunder.
I don't like them, so.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I've been betting against them and it's been hurting the wallet.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
So I'm done. I'm done.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
That's again, that's hard overhead.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
Yes, I hope they win because I love a game
seven no matter what.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Sports at the garden too. And oh, by the way,
we could use that next week in audience.
Speaker 9 (24:58):
Yeah, let's do it all right, let's go back to
the NFL. Patrick Mahomes took Rareshi Rice out in a
bit of a friendly fire early last season, and the
wide receiver room struggled because of it. Rice is back
healthy and running around in OTA's and his quarterbacks likes
the way he looks because.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
He's out there playing. He's making plays on the football field.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
He's explosive, he looks fast, and I mean, you saw
the start of last season.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I think he can be one of the best receivers
in the league.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
Yeah. I mean, he only played four games last season
he got hurt. But his rookie season he did well.
Sixteen games, played, eight starts, nine hundred and thirty eight
receiving yards, and seven touchdowns, did well in the Super Bowl.
But again it's he had a big, flashy name, how
big of an.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Impact with you.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
It's like me asking you how the Chiefs are going
to do?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Is just I feel like I want them to play
that audio again? Did he say running around or running
from the police? Oh, just kidding.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
That was a joke where she Rice has had some
off field issues.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I could say that stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's fact duel. He has an off field issue. I
think he's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Listen, she Rice is a really good receiver.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, and I will admit in twenty twenty three at
the end of the season. Yeah, he did look like
he could be a number one receiver. He did so
if he clicks. Yeah, Kelsey, has that turned back the
clock gear? Hollywood Brown shows up. Yeah, they're gonna make
They're gonna win ten eleven, and I'm gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
All Right, I was wrong.
Speaker 10 (26:20):
You're gonna be wrong, Alex.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I'm calling.
Speaker 9 (26:23):
I've been saying this since your first take on this
is like a month or two ago on the show. Okay, Chlsea,
I've been Okay, let's wrap things up. In New York,
Russell Wilson said he decided to sign with the Giants
for several reasons, but a big one was the opportunity
to play with second year wide receiver The Neighbors. Rus
paid Neighbors some very high praise on a recent podcast
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check out, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
The news, neighbors Man.
Speaker 11 (26:50):
The dude is a superstar.
Speaker 12 (26:52):
You know.
Speaker 11 (26:52):
I saw him watching the film and just before I
try to make decisions, try to get a clear understanding
who the players are this and then obviously you see
the highlights and everything house. But when you watch every
single catch and every single rep and every play, you
get to see the kind of player he is. Man,
He's dynamic, he touches that football.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
He gone, Yeah, he's a special player.
Speaker 9 (27:10):
But the whole like Russ deciding to play in New York,
I'm curious how big that that market was for him because.
Speaker 10 (27:20):
Steelers didn't want him back.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
He had a decent he did did start with them,
but he wasn't good when it counted down, lose like
four game losing streak at the end.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
There.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
I just it's gonna be an interesting quarterback room with Russ.
Speaker 9 (27:33):
Jameis Winston, Jackson Dart, Tommy DeVito.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I'll tell you how the media loves Jackson Dark. Yeah,
Russ is gonna have to overcome that h Jackson Dark
and he's.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
Only on a one year, ten point five million deal.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
So the positive for Russ is he throws a great
ball down the sideline. Yeah, him and Pickens were working
last year. Neighbors is to go up and get a guy,
you know, So I think that could work well for
those two. But again, as David Hellman.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Pointed out, the schedule, it's just lethal rut.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
It would it's gonna take like moving heaven and Earth
for the Giants to get to the playoffs next year.
I don't see that happening.
Speaker 10 (28:07):
No, So not with this quarterback.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Ground yeah either.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
All right, Alex Scurry with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
All Right, we'll close out with little Tyrese Haliburton thing here.
I like Haliburton a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
You guys know.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
I picked him and the Pacers to beat the Cavs
last year.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I saw some things from Halliburton in the with that
in season tournament whatever it's called. I was like, this
guy's nice. I like his game, and last night he
had an egg. He had seven shot attempts and all
these people in my mentions, all my text chains. J Mack,
you guys killed Anthony Edwards. You gotta go after Halliburton.
I'm like, let's slow down.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Halliburn's not a scoring machine.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Although one of the crazier stats when Halliburton scores over
twenty points, the Pacers are thirty one and four.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
He is cooked in the series.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And look at these single digit numbers eight, six and two,
A minus twenty three in the garden last night. So
Halliburton talked about needing to step up last night after
the loss.
Speaker 13 (29:11):
We got to be better as a group. I think
our pace has to be better and that starts with me.
I got to be better there as a group. We've
shown that we can have some success. You know this
this playoffs and it was a rough showing for us tonight.
So you know, we'll watch the film see where we
can get better and be great for game six.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
So listen, he's a pro, he's great. He'll bounce back.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
The Halliburton story, you know, you guys can go read
about him on Wikipedia.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Another underdog where he was I think Wisconsin and like
none of the big schools wanted him, and he went
to Iowa State absolutely torched folks, goes to the NBA
and has been just exceptional. Ian Begley came on earlier
and talked about how the Nick slowed him down last night.
Speaker 12 (29:50):
I think you have to give Michale Bridges credit, right,
because you know, he's been kind of a lightning rod
for the NICK fan out there following this team all year,
blaming Bridges for a while, not being satisfied with his play.
But I think game five he pressured Haliburton, He picked
him up a further down the court than they had
been earlier in the series, got into his body, tried
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to deny the ball when he was off the ball.
It did well, did really well, pressuring him and really
preventing him from doing much of what he did in
Game four. Now, look game six, you know haliburtn is
gonna take more than seven shots. You know he's gonna
be much more active there, so he's going to adjust
how to the Knicks adjust. But at least for one night,
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for Game five, you know, Bridges led the Chargers there
and helped slow Haliburton down.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, and listen, you guys know, I like to hype
up my Men's rec League action. When j Max on
the court, he's picking up full court.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
You can laugh all you want, but I totally agree
we're seeing Listen, Minnesota got that treatment from OKC. Go
look at the thunder guys. They were picking up Jamal
Murray full court to the point that Jokic had to
bring the ball up the court. You think the seven
two hundred and sixty pounds center wants to do that
every time it wears you down.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
It's just basic strategy.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I don't know why Tips took forever to do it,
but they were jamming Haliburton full court, and it's just
like be a nuisance being nat And watch by the
way the Pacers they do this to Jalen Brunson. A
lot of is TJ McConnell. For those of you who
follow me on Instagram, there's a great TJ McConnell video
I popped where he talks about, Hey man, I.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Want to be in the NBA. What do I have
to do?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I gotta move my feet, I gotta pick up full court.
I've got to make defense my calling card. Hey, Landry Shammitt,
Saturday night, can you give me seven minutes of just
being a nuisance for Tyrese Haliburton. Hey, Delan Wright, Yeah,
you've got long arms, you're a long defender. Can you
give me six minutes of that? So Bridges is fresh in.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
The fourth quarter and we bring it back to New
York and we celebrate in the garden. Can we do that? Alex?
I'm getting too fired up.
Speaker 9 (31:52):
But it's like, I just what I was hoping for
when I saw you when we got here at like
what six six thirty early morning, and it's it's too hilary.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
For this excitement.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
I'm like, this is what I was expecting, this is
what I wanted to see, and it's good. They should
like there there's a chance the Knicks have the right attitude.
I said it when we heard from Carl Anthony Towns
after the game, I said, why not us taking one
game at a time?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
So why not Knicks, Pacers, Yankees here against the Dodgers?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Oh? Sports? How good are how good?
Speaker 9 (32:23):
Do we have?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
A sports? Unbelievable? We'll see you next week.
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Speaker 4 (00:41):
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it's an exciting time. Happy to be here with y'all.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, and what's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I don't know nothing in cowboys world, nothing ever going on, Always.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Something going on in cal.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
We got a clip we want to play for you,
Brian Schottenheimer. I don't want to blast the guy, but
he was with the Jets and he was terrible.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
He's your new gad coach and the Cowboys. Here's what
he had to say about Dak. Prescott is veteran quarterback.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
I think Dak is in the developmental phase. And that
sounds crazy for you guys played that much. But like
there's things that we're tweaking with Dak, the bones of
it is still very similar. You know, there's going to
be changes. That's part of football. That's whether there's a
coaching change or not. I think it's a little bit
where if you have to have your system, then I think,
to me, just my opinion, not disagreeing with Zoom, to me,
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your system should be flexible enough to where you adjust
some things, but you keep some things in place because
it's our job as coaches to we spend more time
on it than the players do.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Uh huh. I'll let you take it away.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Can I be honest?
Speaker 6 (01:45):
I don't see the story. Oh, I don't see the
story here. This is very typical. It's late May and
we've got a long way to go to training camp,
and I think that's what's happening here. Because the full
context of that quote is that Brian Schottenheimer was asked
about their new backup Joe Milton, big cannon armed guy.
He was with the Patriots beat the Bills at the
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end of last year. He was asked about him being
a developmental quarterback, a guy who needs a lot of work,
and Brian Schottenheimer was like, yeah, Dak is a developmental
quarterback to all quarterbacks. All football players are supposed to
be continually improving and developing, are they not.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
It's coach speak.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
And he happens to coach the Dallas Cowboys, and I
think that's probably why we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, the quote came out the same week that
Pro Football Focus ranked Dak as the seventeenth best quarterback
in the league.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I mean, he had been fringe top ten for a while.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Yeah, he was an.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
MVP candidate two years ago. And again, I know, these
rankings is what we do in the off season. We
rank every position, but seventeen feels I mean, he's below
Jordan Love.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I don't know. I mean CJ.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Stroud, I saw Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence, Kyler Murray. I mean,
I try my best not to get angry about that stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Because because I do it too. I do it for
Fox Sports.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
People get mad at me from my opinions about this
stuff all the time. I'm not gonna get mad and
blast anybody, but you just said it, j Mac.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
I mean, Dak was an MVP candidate two years ago.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
He was an All Pro, which the definition of all
Pro means you're one of the best two quarterbacks in
the league. In twenty twenty three, he was one of
the best handful of quarterbacks playing the game. If you
want to ding him because he got hurt, and I
think it's fair to say he's got a history of
getting hurt at this point, it's been three seasons now
that he's had a significant injury that held him out
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for a substantial period of time. If that bothers you
and you want to drop him, totally fine with me.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Seventeen pretty harsh, Yeah, Like if we're being honest, like
Gino Smith, Okay, well, like I'm sorry, what.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Are there are?
Speaker 6 (03:44):
At least I would guess there are six quarterbacks on
that list that haven't accomplished anywhere near as much as
Dak prescottins it just it is again, he is the
quarterback of the Dallas Dallas and that goes with the dinner.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
As Jason Garrett used to say, So.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Let me ask.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
He's got CD Lamb and Pickens now, and we know
Pickens had a bit of a checkered run in Pittsburgh,
flashes of greatness and then you know, dogging it on
some routes and blocking, but he is playing for a contract.
I just wonder schedule early is favorable. Is there a
world where this Pickens things works opposite Lamb?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Oh, I would be shocked if it doesn't work. Oh,
I would be shocked if it doesn't work. And I'm
not saying that the Cowboys are Super Bowl contenders or
that any of that crazy stuff is going to happen.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
That's not my point.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
It's going to work from a standpoint of this offense
being fun and exciting in my opinion, and that's what
makes it worth it in my opinion, is that the
Cowboys were boring last year and their offense, even with
Ceedee Lamb, hasn't been as fun as you would expect
for what they pay everybody. This has potential to work.
George Pickens is a good player. He's had thousand yard seasons,
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He's had big moments without good quarterback play. Dak Prescott
is easily without even thinking about it, without himming or hauling.
He is the best quarterback George Pickens has ever played with.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Dak.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Prescott has played beautiful football with CD. He's done it
with Amari Cooper. He got Randall Cobb a crazy contract
way back when he got Randall Cobb a twenty million
dollar contract well into his career because he played so
well with the Cowboys in twenty nineteen. Dak can get
the ball to his receivers. Pickens compliments CD really well.
(05:20):
As on top of that, he is an ex receiver
and outside threat who can go down get balls outside
the numbers. That's not not to say cde let Lamb
can't do that, but that's not CD's games.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
CD is a slot Officionado.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
They pair really well. They have a great quarterback. The
Cowboys offensive line should be better this year. I don't
know what the record is, but I think the Cowboys
offense is going to be fun because of this trade.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
So it could let me push back.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So I think Dak's gonna see a lot of too
high safety because probably it's running game like, so they
move off Paulard, I get that.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Then they move off doubtell. But this is the running
back group.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Javonte Williams, who I had in fantasy last year.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
He was a bust.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I mean that guy's and then Miles Sanders is the
backup Douce Vaughan.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Jayden Blue out of Texas.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
And yeah he's a burner, but that's not gonna scare anybody.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
It's the running back room gives me pause. And it's
gonna be interesting to see. The Cowboys are making a bet.
They drafted Tyler Booker. You came on the NFL on
Fox podcast and talked about that with me. They drafted
a guard. Their bet is that the offensive line can
be good enough to mitigate that their running back rooms
not that great. I'm not trying to sell anybody on
Miles Sanders, but he wasn't eleven hundred yard back in
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Philly running behind the best offensive line at football. So
if he's got guys up front, he can be a
useful player. Between between those three options, Sanders, Williams and
Jayden Blue.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I think it can be fine.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
It's it's definitely not worth getting excited about, but I
think it can be fine.
Speaker 8 (06:51):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
It could be fine.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
All right, all right, let's talk to the division. I
want you to rank the quarterbacks. In the NFC least.
I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to call it that, and
I'm setting this up for a next question, but go ahead,
let's hear it.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
You're just you're setting me up to get clipped out
on the internet.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Real, No, I'm not not at all here.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
All right, here's here's okay, we'll put we'll put No,
this is this just be honest, keep you.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I will.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
I will do Jalen Hurts the respect of ranking him
number one after guiding a team to the Super Bowl Championship,
especially with Dak Prescott coming off another injury. I think
Dak is a better pure quarterback than Jalen Hurts, but
I will give Jalen Hurts the respect of putting him
on top of that right now, then I go Dak,
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and look, we all know, we all know.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Look I went to LSU. We all know. Jaden Daniels's
the beast. He was amazing last year.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
I would just like to point out we were doing
this same thing about c J Stroud last year. Good point,
we were doing the same thing about CJ. It's not
to say Jaden's not the man. I just it's one year.
You don't know how this stuff is going to age.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
We don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
You know, linear progress does not always go in a
straight line. It's it's not a dog Jaden Daniels. I'd
just like to see a little bit more. We've got
a decade of results with Dak, We've got six years
of results and a Super Bowl championship with Jalen. So
I just need to see a little bit more. I'm
not trying to talk down on my guy, Jaden again.
I got an LSU tattoo on my arm, so stop,
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but I just I'd like to see more and then
and then whatever the giants got going on.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
So social team get on that clib you know, to
put the.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Commander's fans in my mentions for the next week.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
So I bring it up because Jalen hurts.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I don't feel like he's getting the respect he deserves it.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It feels like the guy just won the Super Bowl,
he won the MVP, he was killing it from the pocket.
He's he's got the most unstoppable play in the NFL
right now, and he's still not getting respect. I don't
get it. Why is he not considered a top five quarterback?
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Let's talk about Okay, how is how is Jalen Hurts
not getting respect? Because from where I'm looking at it,
he was just named the MVP of the Super Bowl.
He is a I don't know his contract off the
top of my head, but he is a well paid quarterback.
He's a fifty million dollar plus quarterback. He got his extension,
he won the Super Bowl, he was named Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
There are plenty of.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
People that think he is a top five quarterback and
at the worst most people rank him somewhere between like
eight and ten.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Is that not respect?
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Well, how good do you need to say Jalen Hurts
is do I need to put him above like Josh
Allen or Lamar Jackson Because I won't.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I won't do that.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I think there needs to be some ball washing of
a guy who is just amazing all season.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And let me add I would push.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Back, an amazing all season is not true.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
You're not amazing all season if the fans are rioting
after the way you play against Carolina and aj Brown
is talking to the media about the passing game struggling.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
He's a good player.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
He is a very good player, occasionally a great player.
To say that he was amazing all season, I think
we're rewriting history a little bit based on what happened
in that Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Okay, and there was I believe his Saints game. He
was the turnover prone.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
I remember betting the offense was a disaster through the
first five weeks of the season.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
How much of that is they have a different offensive
coordinator every year.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yeah, they have a different offensive coordinator.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I think they had to pivot and really say, hey,
let's get the ball to the best running back in
the game right now. Let's rewire this thing and make
sure Saquon Barkley is the engine that's driving this offense.
And I swear that's not to take credit away from
Jalen Hurts. He's made plenty of amazing plays this season.
But Saquon Barkley was the engine of that car that
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carried them to the Super Bowl. Saquon was the difference
maker for that offense.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I think difference makers fine. I think two years, two
or three years ago, when they got there, they didn't
have Saquon Barkley. Hurts was amazing right there.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It was phenomenal in that.
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Speaker 4 (10:53):
That's interesting.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
They they still had a dynamite running game that year.
Like I said, Jill Sanders was a twelve hundred yard
players like Barkley, but.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
He unlocks some new elements to the offense because you
had to you had to get it. Bring his safety
in the box and that makes it tough. Are you
gonna how you're gonna handle aj Brown deep? And then
DeVonta Smith and a good tight end play and then
Hurt scrambling. I think he had fourteen touchdowns.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
I'm glad we're I'm glad we're doing this because this
is something that I think about a lot.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Again, this is this is my job too. I think
about this stuff all the time. The whole point we
do this, the whole point of the league is to
win a super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
And we now know that. We ask this about everybody.
Can you win a super Bowl with this guy? Can
he get you over the hump in the playoffs? We
know that the answer with Jalen Hurts is yes. That's
all that matters to me. And like I said, I
will give him that respect. He is a quarterback that
is good enough to win you a Super Bowl, and
that's really all anybody should care about. I personally would
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not put him in my top five. Oh I wouldn't,
but I have him in the top ten. He's somewhere
in that range. He's a really good player. But I
get kind of annoyed when we're talking about a Super
Bowl MVP is being disrespected. A Super Bowl MVP on
a major contract that is going to be a starter
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in this league for a long time. I think Jalen
Hurts is getting plenty of respect.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So I guess the narrative on the internet is will
they have a stacked roster similar to the Brock Party? Dislike, Well,
he's got you McCaffrey, and he's got this loaded team.
And I think some of it has to do Dave
with the fact that they weren't first round picks. Like
Joe Burrow does not get dinged for having the best
wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Duo in the league. Patrick Mahomes has.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
An elite quarterback, sorry, an elite coach, and a top
five tight end all time, right, they don't get dinged
for that.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Lamar Lamar gets.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Dereck Henry first round plot Armor is definitely a thing.
First round picks get plot armor.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
What does that mean?
Speaker 6 (12:46):
People will work to find reasons why it's not your
fault if you were drafted in a certain range, and
guys who don't have that pedigree, I think have to
fight a little bit harder. And Jalen Hurts that has
been true, and he's had plenty of critics, plenty of
people criticize his ability as a passer, his consistency, his accuracy.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
But again, he won a super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
Yeah, that's that's all that should matter, and that that's
the point, and that's I think we lose the plot
where it's like.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Who gives a damn?
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Who says he's if he's if he's three, five, eight,
ten or twelve, he can win you a super Bowl,
which is the entire point of this game.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
That leads me to a good question.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
So you know, he went to a spot and they
had to configure the offense around him, which is smart.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
That's what they did with Lamar Jackson and West of one.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
The other thing is all of these teams should be
doing that.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
You should be trying to load your offense, you should
be trying to make it easier on your quarterback. The
point is not to hamstring your quarterback so he can
be more impressive.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
That's not what we should be doing.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
But I wonder, and we'll never know the answer. It's
all subjective.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
What if the Kansas City Chiefs had drafted Dak Prescott
and he had Andy Reid an offensive genius? Like is
Deck Prescott a super Bowl champion?
Speaker 4 (14:01):
He might be.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
I think landing spot has everything so so much to
do with it, And I mean, it's a fascinating conversation.
It's it's more than you can do in one TV segment,
because how much credit do you.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Give to the player?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Like could would Mahomes be this guy if he had
landed in Scarinville, Jacksonville, Cleveland, wherever, whatever you want to say,
The results probably would have been really really good.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
But would they be maybe already a Hall.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Of fameer good? I don't know. And it's an interesting thing.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean, we look at Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
He came out, this guy was supposed to be the
second Andrew Luck and what does he have?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
One playoff victory and a lot of disappointment.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
I mentioned first round pick plot armor. I still think
Trevor Lawrence is a really good place. I did I'm
not giving up on the guy, but we can't say
that he is better than some of these guys like
Jalen and like Dak that have accomplished more in the
NFL than he has. Even if I'm not ready to
give up on the idea that he could be really good.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I think I lost track of how many head coaches
he's had. It's three, maybe.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Three, now it's I mean it was it was Urban
when he got there, and Doug for a couple of years,
Doug Peterson for a couple of years, and now Lee's
doing that.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
So three guys four years in.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
The league, Andy Reid shits for a year and as
I mean again, I'm not digging Mahomes, I'm just saying, boy,
that must be nice.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
HU.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
I think this is this is the crux of why
people get so passionate about this on social media, is
they want to make sure everybody's taken to it into account. Like,
my guys had three coordinator changes in four years. My
guys had this at receiver. My guy the offensive line
hasn't give him a chance over the last five years.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
He doesn't have Andy Reed.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
So I understand why people get as passionate about this
as they do, but especially in the case of Jalen Hurts,
like you have you have accomplished the ultimate goal and
you are in position to do it at least once,
if not a few more times while Jalen Hurts is
still in his prime. If I was an Eagles fan,
I just I wouldn't care what anybody thought about my quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Let me go to the Detroit Lions real quick way
off the board, Like Jared Goff had a stack deck
in Detroit last year. A number one seed, don't feel
the vantage, great offensive line and they get just destroyed
by Jayden Daniels golf, like four interceptions, a terrible game.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
How big of a step back do they take this year?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Losing both coordinators and now they're not chasing anybody, they're
the targets, schedules not great.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I have them pulling back a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
The NFC.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
It's it's a tough world to live in, man, because
if you're a Lions fan, and I still think Kylie
of the Lions, But if you're a Lions fan, you're like,
the offensive line has been so key to our success.
It's mostly intact. We got golf we got the skill players.
We're getting Aiden Hutchinson back. I saw that he was
cleared for contact recently. Yeah, you're I mean the reason
the Lions fell apart the way they did is they
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had you know, they had volunteers playing on defense by
the end of the year. So if you're a Lions fan,
you're sitting there saying like it's all there for us,
like we can do this again.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
But we've seen what coordinator changes can do.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
I mean Philly, Philly, the team, the team that barely
lost to Super Bowl fell apart a year later after
their offensive and defensive play callers left. Aaron Glenn is
with your Jets now, and obviously Ben Johnson is down
in Chicago. Doesn't mean the Lions can't still be successful,
But don't try to tell me it doesn't matter either.
So how Dan Campbell navigates this is so interesting. I
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think I trust him. But I think I trust Dan
Campbell to identify the right guys to do this and
the right voices for the room and on, and he'll
pivot if he needs to. Because Ben Johnson didn't start
out as his play caller, he promoted him into that job.
So I trust Dan Campbell to have it figured out.
But you can't just handwave that stuff away like it
(17:39):
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So when the Giants stink in, Brian Dable gets fired,
where do you think he's coaching?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
So I had to set it up.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
You know what's funny.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
I'm I'm a little let me finish before you left.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I go for I'm a little bullish on the Giants,
like I think they're wait. Their roster is better than.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
I think people give it credit for, and I think
Brian Dable is a good coach. But then the schedule
came out and I looked at it and I was like, no,
I think they're screwed. Like I want, I want to
believe in the Giants, but that schedule is so tough.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
I don't have it in front of me.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
I just know it's something nuts, like six games against
playoff teams in the first eight weeks.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah, they go, oh, it's it is it's it's.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
It's a it's a grinder, man. It's so. I think
the Giants are not terrible.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
They'll be frisky.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Well, they could be frisky if they ever got a
chance to play somebody who wasn't a Super Bowl. So
I'm kind of with you, Like, I think the Giants
are a pretty good team. But I'm not going to
be surprised if Brian Dable has a couple of months
to think about where he wants to be. You know,
see like it's happened before, like that happened to Dan Quinn,
where like you get you get fired in like October
(18:49):
and you or it happened to Robert Sala last year.
You have like you just have two or three months
to kind of think about what you want to do.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
I'm not gonna be surprised if that's Brian Dable.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Sorry Giants fans.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
As a Jets guy, I had to end that with
I said, I think they I like the roster, I
just really don't like the schedule. You're the one nobody
else likes them. Great stuff, David Helmet. Check out obviously
the NFL on Fox podcast, Good Stuff Man, Enjoy the weekend.
Coming up next, Alex Curry, juicy NFL trade that just
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Speaker 4 (20:38):
All right, let's waste your time, Alix story with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
This is the herd Line News, right, Jay Mac, you've
been teasing this. Reports say that the Eagles have agreed
in principle to trade defensive end Rice Huff to the
San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
In exchange for a mid round pick.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Now, you're familiar with this guy because he was on
your jets from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three.
He actually had a career year in twenty twenty three,
career high ten sacks, and after that season that's when
he signed a three year, fifty one million dollar deal
with the Eagles.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
But he kind of had a.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
Down season, kind of kind of he only had but
two what does it say, two sacks and two and
a half sacks in twelve games exactly in the Super Bowl. Yeah,
only played thirteen snaps in the postseason, didn't play in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (21:31):
It's just you hope that maybe it was just.
Speaker 9 (21:35):
A down year and now he would be he's going
to be reunited with Sala in San Francisco. It's a
need that San Francisco needs. A ranked twenty third in
sacks last year.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
So a couple things.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So Number one, he was a situational guy with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Not in every down player.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, but situationally you're fresh, you could go in like yeah, boom,
and he dominated with the Jets. Then he goes to
the Eagles. They quickly found out, ooh, this guy's not
an every down guy, and.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Then he gets hurt.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
The forty nine ers pass rusher was in nimick last year,
so they drafted Mikail Williams out of Georgia, who's awesome.
Huff is going to be a situational guy. He should thrive.
I absolutely love this pick up. I'm just telling you guys,
now buy Niner stock. I think the super Bowl is
well within reach. You can doubt perty if you want.
That's fine. As long as Kittle and Trump Williams are healthy.
I think they are one or two in the NFC.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
I think it helps them so much that they had
such a bad season last year. Again, we talked about
this before the first like the two seasons before that,
they were the favorites, and it was like, this is
our super Bowl window. If they don't do it now,
they're not going to do it now. Nobody has any
expectations and they have one of the easiest schedules this
season going.
Speaker 10 (22:46):
To sneak up.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
This is this year that I think they can sneak up.
All right, let's move to the NBA. We had some
crazy performances as playoffs, but two really big standouts, both
Sga and Jalen Brunson, have entered into an exclusive but
they joined Lebron James and Michael Jordan as the only
players have more than thirty points at five assists in
at least ten games in a postseason run. So, if
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you're in the conversation with the Goats and go to
the own two other players in.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
This club, I star a pretty good company.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
What I'm not sure what to make I'm not sure
what to make of this. So Alex is it, hey man?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
We could cherry pick some stats and put you in
a discussion with Lebron.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Or is Jylen Brunson just been that freaking good?
Speaker 9 (23:33):
He's been that good? Why are you down on Brunston?
I thought you hi on Brunson.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I'm high on Brunson, but the three of those guys
play amazing defense, and Brunson's d has been a little
bit exposed.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Listen, I will tune you all out.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
If he could somehow get us a winning game six Saturday,
he's gonna.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Need to do more than thirty and five. That's for sure.
You're going into hostile territory game. You know they're gonna
load up on Bruns and say they don't have anybody
else who can beat us.
Speaker 10 (24:00):
Can't you do it?
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I think so, I think, but I jumped on the bandwagon.
Speaker 10 (24:05):
I got blinded and jumped on the bandwagon.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Alex.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Sometimes we go heart overhead and that hurts, and I
do that with the Jets way too much.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I hear the laughter from the Peanut gallery. Year.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I'm gonna take Nicks, but I'm not betting the game. No,
I don't have zero money. Really well, I bet Game
four and they lost that in India.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I was like, it's a rough conference following.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
You can't take it.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Hasn't it been a rough NBA playoffs for you? No?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
No, The Ndia class were good initially, okay, because I
had the Pacers.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Beating the Cats. That was a big, big win. Okay,
But I just I don't like the boiling as thunder.
I don't like them, so.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I've been betting against them and it's been hurting the wallet.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
So I'm done. I'm done.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
That's again, that's hard overhead.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
Yes, I hope they win because I love a game
seven no matter what.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Sports at the garden too. And oh, by the way,
we could use that next week in audience.
Speaker 9 (24:58):
Yeah, let's do it all right, let's go back to
the NFL. Patrick Mahomes took Rareshi Rice out in a
bit of a friendly fire early last season, and the
wide receiver room struggled because of it. Rice is back
healthy and running around in OTA's and his quarterbacks likes
the way he looks because.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
He's out there playing. He's making plays on the football field.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
He's explosive, he looks fast, and I mean, you saw
the start of last season.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I think he can be one of the best receivers
in the league.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
Yeah. I mean, he only played four games last season
he got hurt. But his rookie season he did well.
Sixteen games, played, eight starts, nine hundred and thirty eight
receiving yards, and seven touchdowns, did well in the Super Bowl.
But again it's he had a big, flashy name, how
big of an.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Impact with you.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
It's like me asking you how the Chiefs are going
to do?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Is just I feel like I want them to play
that audio again? Did he say running around or running
from the police? Oh, just kidding.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
That was a joke where she Rice has had some
off field issues.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I could say that stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's fact duel. He has an off field issue. I
think he's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Listen, she Rice is a really good receiver.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, and I will admit in twenty twenty three at
the end of the season. Yeah, he did look like
he could be a number one receiver. He did so
if he clicks. Yeah, Kelsey, has that turned back the
clock gear? Hollywood Brown shows up. Yeah, they're gonna make
They're gonna win ten eleven, and I'm gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
All Right, I was wrong.
Speaker 10 (26:20):
You're gonna be wrong, Alex.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I'm calling.
Speaker 9 (26:23):
I've been saying this since your first take on this
is like a month or two ago on the show. Okay, Chlsea,
I've been Okay, let's wrap things up. In New York,
Russell Wilson said he decided to sign with the Giants
for several reasons, but a big one was the opportunity
to play with second year wide receiver The Neighbors. Rus
paid Neighbors some very high praise on a recent podcast
(26:44):
check out, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
The news, neighbors Man.
Speaker 11 (26:50):
The dude is a superstar.
Speaker 12 (26:52):
You know.
Speaker 11 (26:52):
I saw him watching the film and just before I
try to make decisions, try to get a clear understanding
who the players are this and then obviously you see
the highlights and everything house. But when you watch every
single catch and every single rep and every play, you
get to see the kind of player he is. Man,
He's dynamic, he touches that football.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
He gone, Yeah, he's a special player.
Speaker 9 (27:10):
But the whole like Russ deciding to play in New York,
I'm curious how big that that market was for him because.
Speaker 10 (27:20):
Steelers didn't want him back.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
He had a decent he did did start with them,
but he wasn't good when it counted down, lose like
four game losing streak at the end.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
There.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
I just it's gonna be an interesting quarterback room with Russ.
Speaker 9 (27:33):
Jameis Winston, Jackson Dart, Tommy DeVito.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I'll tell you how the media loves Jackson Dark. Yeah,
Russ is gonna have to overcome that h Jackson Dark
and he's.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
Only on a one year, ten point five million deal.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
So the positive for Russ is he throws a great
ball down the sideline. Yeah, him and Pickens were working
last year. Neighbors is to go up and get a guy,
you know, So I think that could work well for
those two. But again, as David Hellman.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Pointed out, the schedule, it's just lethal rut.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
It would it's gonna take like moving heaven and Earth
for the Giants to get to the playoffs next year.
I don't see that happening.
Speaker 10 (28:07):
No, So not with this quarterback.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Ground yeah either.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
All right, Alex Scurry with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
All Right, we'll close out with little Tyrese Haliburton thing here.
I like Haliburton a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
You guys know.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
I picked him and the Pacers to beat the Cavs
last year.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I saw some things from Halliburton in the with that
in season tournament whatever it's called. I was like, this
guy's nice. I like his game, and last night he
had an egg. He had seven shot attempts and all
these people in my mentions, all my text chains. J Mack,
you guys killed Anthony Edwards. You gotta go after Halliburton.
I'm like, let's slow down.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Halliburn's not a scoring machine.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Although one of the crazier stats when Halliburton scores over
twenty points, the Pacers are thirty one and four.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
He is cooked in the series.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And look at these single digit numbers eight, six and two,
A minus twenty three in the garden last night. So
Halliburton talked about needing to step up last night after
the loss.
Speaker 13 (29:11):
We got to be better as a group. I think
our pace has to be better and that starts with me.
I got to be better there as a group. We've
shown that we can have some success. You know this
this playoffs and it was a rough showing for us tonight.
So you know, we'll watch the film see where we
can get better and be great for game six.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
So listen, he's a pro, he's great. He'll bounce back.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
The Halliburton story, you know, you guys can go read
about him on Wikipedia.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Another underdog where he was I think Wisconsin and like
none of the big schools wanted him, and he went
to Iowa State absolutely torched folks, goes to the NBA
and has been just exceptional. Ian Begley came on earlier
and talked about how the Nick slowed him down last night.
Speaker 12 (29:50):
I think you have to give Michale Bridges credit, right,
because you know, he's been kind of a lightning rod
for the NICK fan out there following this team all year,
blaming Bridges for a while, not being satisfied with his play.
But I think game five he pressured Haliburton, He picked
him up a further down the court than they had
been earlier in the series, got into his body, tried
(30:12):
to deny the ball when he was off the ball.
It did well, did really well, pressuring him and really
preventing him from doing much of what he did in
Game four. Now, look game six, you know haliburtn is
gonna take more than seven shots. You know he's gonna
be much more active there, so he's going to adjust
how to the Knicks adjust. But at least for one night,
(30:32):
for Game five, you know, Bridges led the Chargers there
and helped slow Haliburton down.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, and listen, you guys know, I like to hype
up my Men's rec League action. When j Max on
the court, he's picking up full court.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
You can laugh all you want, but I totally agree
we're seeing Listen, Minnesota got that treatment from OKC. Go
look at the thunder guys. They were picking up Jamal
Murray full court to the point that Jokic had to
bring the ball up the court. You think the seven
two hundred and sixty pounds center wants to do that
every time it wears you down.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
It's just basic strategy.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I don't know why Tips took forever to do it,
but they were jamming Haliburton full court, and it's just
like be a nuisance being nat And watch by the
way the Pacers they do this to Jalen Brunson. A
lot of is TJ McConnell. For those of you who
follow me on Instagram, there's a great TJ McConnell video
I popped where he talks about, Hey man, I.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Want to be in the NBA. What do I have
to do?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I gotta move my feet, I gotta pick up full court.
I've got to make defense my calling card. Hey, Landry Shammitt,
Saturday night, can you give me seven minutes of just
being a nuisance for Tyrese Haliburton. Hey, Delan Wright, Yeah,
you've got long arms, you're a long defender. Can you
give me six minutes of that? So Bridges is fresh in.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
The fourth quarter and we bring it back to New
York and we celebrate in the garden. Can we do that? Alex?
I'm getting too fired up.
Speaker 9 (31:52):
But it's like, I just what I was hoping for
when I saw you when we got here at like
what six six thirty early morning, and it's it's too hilary.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
For this excitement.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
I'm like, this is what I was expecting, this is
what I wanted to see, and it's good. They should
like there there's a chance the Knicks have the right attitude.
I said it when we heard from Carl Anthony Towns
after the game, I said, why not us taking one
game at a time?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
So why not Knicks, Pacers, Yankees here against the Dodgers?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Oh? Sports? How good are how good?
Speaker 9 (32:23):
Do we have?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
A sports? Unbelievable? We'll see you next week.
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