Hour 2 - Colin Right / Colin Wrong

Where Colin was Right / Where Colin was Wrong, one all-time great that people have suddenly lost faith in, and more. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Here we go, it's hour two, it is a Monday.
We are live in Chicago. It's the Herd.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I am back, Jason off my bicycle from Copenhagen.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Few nights.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
So good to have you back.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's great to be back.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hey.

Speaker 5 (00:39):
By the way, you want to tell the audience, I
was texting you while you're in Europe.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
All lots of important stuff happening around here.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
There is It's tomorrow mandatory mini camps in the NFL,
so you've got to keep.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Your eye on.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Cleveland is very fascinating, That's all I'm gonna say.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Everybody makes bets. You can sit on the fin on this.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
My bet is Shador is going to start at some
point in the NFL season. There are people all over
the internet former NFL scouts. He's going to be a bust.
He can't play.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
Oh, here's got to be a middle ground column like, yeah,
he may start, but Kevin Sefski doesn't love him. It's
this thing he's going to be a bust, Like, come on,
we don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
That's a bit much, all right, Matt Hasselbeck's around the
corner first though, on a Monday. I haven't been here
for a while. Colin right, Colin wrong, where Colin was right? Well,
this Tyrese halliburtons the most overratted player is nonsense. First
of all, I think he has one of the highest
IQs and eqes I have seen from a modern point guard.

(01:39):
Thirteen or fifteen times this year, under two minutes when
he could tire or take the lead, he hit the shot.
That's insane, That is all time. That's better than Steph Curry.
So I never bought into this. I'm not surprised they
stole the game in Oklahoma City. I don't think they're
as good as Oka see. I don't think they'll win
the series. But this idea, this guy even sniffed overrated.

(02:00):
I'll make the argument he is the most underrated player
the last two years in the NBA. And tip of
the Captain j Mack, who spotted it over two years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Where Colin was wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
I thought Aaron Rodgers was too smart to sign with
the Steelers because I don't think it's a good fit.
I think it's a defensive first organization with an offensive
coordinator he's not familiar with. They lost their left tackle,
they've struggled in pass protect they've got no nause Harris,
and it's a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson
four times a year minimum.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
So I listen. I thought he had better offers.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
I thought he would land a better offer, and I
thought this was a this was a spot that won't
end well.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
But I'm wrong where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Ross Tucker, somebody whose opinion I trust is reporting the
Vikings do have concerns with JJ McCarty McCarthy quote. No
matter what they say about JJ, they wanted Sam Darnold back,
and they weren't going to get Darnold, so they wanted
Daniel Jones back. As much as their quote sold on
JJ McCarthy, they've got some doubts. So remember he missed

(03:10):
valuable time not only playing but practicing last year because
of his surgeries. And I've said it before he reminds
me of an Alabama quarterback. His last two years at Michigan,
he played with a great run game, he didn't have
to throw much with poor protection. He had the best
coach in every game he played, and he had the
lead for ninety percent of it, and an unbelievable ground

(03:33):
game in defense, I just don't know if he's built
to come from behind throw forty three times in game,
which you have to invariably do, especially in the NFC.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Norm where Colin was raw.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I'm surprised the Knicks fired Tom Thibodeau. Yeah, he's not
the most creative guy offensively, but that's why you build
a staff. He built the culture. They defend. They're tough,
they're smart, they're physical. The issues the Knicks had to
me are personnel issues. Brunson's not a great defender, so

(04:08):
they can struggle having he and Kat on the floor
at the same time.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's not really a Tims issue.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I think the NBA is about steps and the process,
and they need to make another tweak. I'd move off
KD and bring in I'd move into KD and Offcat,
but I don't think firing him was the answer.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
As much as I love the NBA, I said this
finals would be a ratings whiff, and it has been
a clunker. Listen, it's a series for diehards only. The
market size isn't great. Halliburton is not really a known
entity in America, even though he's a fascinating player OKC style. Aesthetically,
he's not appealing inn SGA Again, he's great, he's productive,

(04:49):
he's efficient, He's not necessarily dynamic or fascinating. So the
ratings are bad for this final, even though it's a
diehard final. You can't be a basketball casual and be
into this. But I do think Indiana's going to win
more games in this series than.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
It goes, at least six. Where Colin was wrong, I.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Thought Aunt Edwards of Minnesota was about ready to grab
the mantle as face of the league, but he really struggled.
Two things are true. You can really get him off
his game if you force him, trap him, double him,
and force him to make quick basketball decisions. He is
still fundamentally too young. He's not a refined player. He

(05:30):
had way too many turnovers, almost as many turnovers as
assists against ok SEE. He shot twenty eight percent from three,
and they just forced a really young, still developing star
to make fast, quick decisions in the half court and
he's not quite there yet.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
So I'm wrong where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I've been saying the NIL is going to save college basketball,
and Real Madrid and Barcelona reportedly are considering shutting down
their youth academy in Europe, and that's where most of
the good players are in Europe that are seventeen, eighteen,
nineteen years old. Why because American college basketball programs NIL

(06:10):
money is greater than europe can affoord And so you're
seeing Auburn brought back their star guard. Why they paid
him more than he can make in the NBA. Cooper
Flag made eight million a year at Duke, and now
Illinois is going to have five European starters. American basketball
programs may shut down some of the great academies in

(06:32):
Europe because they're buying the best European players. Not to mention,
like the Auburn guard, many of the good college players
are staying in college for another year. So college football
didn't need saving college basketball, did I predicted it? The
NIL is going to deliver Where Colin was raw, I

(06:52):
thought the Dodgers roster was all time stuff, but in
their last twenty two games they're under five hundred. Their
pitching staff inies, they're decimated for the third to four
straight year. Do they have to clean house on the
pitching coaching staff? Like?

Speaker 2 (07:07):
What is happening with the staff? Uh?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
They're only one game ahead of the Padres and the
Giants over the twenty two game skid, fifth worst team
Era Glass, Snow and Snelle among fourteen Dodger pitchers still.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
On the ion l where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Finally, Oh, for years I have told been lectured by
American soccer fans the United States men's national team will
flourish they only get an elite coach. Well, they hired
Mauricio vote Jadino. He is brilliant, and they've lost three

(07:48):
straight and the Gold Cups around the corner. Now, Turkey's
pretty good. It's okay to lose the Turkey two to one.
But I keep hearing my entire life from every young
American soccer fan it's the coach that's the problem. And
I keep saying, maybe we've overvalued our players, their grit,

(08:11):
their focus, their toughness, our academy system. Maybe it's that
and not always the coach, So they bring it a
brilliant coach who was lauded for his success in Europe.
We've lost three straight and kind of, you know, kind
of limping into the Gold Cup?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Were we not? Colin right? Collin wrong?

Speaker 1 (08:31):
On a Monday? All right, Matt Hasselbeck, I don't know
if Matt plays soccer.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Were you a soccer guy? Matt hassel were you a
soccer guy?

Speaker 6 (08:41):
At everyone in America starts in soccer? What do you
I mean everybody? You find me someone who did not
start in soccer? I think that's just what everybody does. Guys, girls,
everybody first born. All right, Well, Aaron Rodgers, you called it.
You never had any doubts you didn't want to hear.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
I think I called it on June ninth. Actually did
I say June ninth?

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I mean you did, by the way, I don't look
so you were right. I don't love it as a fit.
I thought Minnesota would be better. What do you make
of the fit.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
For who?

Speaker 4 (09:16):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:17):
For him?

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Like he probably likes Minnesota. They've had an incredible offseason.
They did a great job in free agency. They were
a fourteen win season, fourteen win team last year. But
Minnesota's taken the longer view of this. I think, you
know they I think their original plan was Sam Darnold.
They kicked the tires on Aaron Rodgers. They consider Daniel Jones,

(09:41):
and they said, you.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Know what, we've got a maybe like at least a
three year window here.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
We've got a bunch of guys we've added to our
team who are in like their thirties, thirty one, thirty two,
like that range, twenty nine, like, let's let's take a
let's take an approach at this.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
We believe in our coach.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
He saw what he did with Sam Darnold, who was
a backup the previous Here, we really believe in JJ McCarthy.
And I think that they basically said no to some
good quarterbacks to say yes yes to this guy because.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Of what they've seen in the building.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
He had a great red shirt season, As Kevin O'Connell said, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
The you know, the thing with Aaron and I and
I had talked to some gms about this is that
there's a story now that he was willing to give
the Rams a massive discount and they passed that. Adam
Schefter said, Aaron was the third choice for the Steelers.
I know Aaron and Adam aren't close, but be that
as it may, I trust Adam Schefter. You you have

(10:37):
stories about Minnesota, said net We're gonna go with JJ McCarthy,
Ross Tucker, somebody who's got strong opinions and well connected.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Like they got questions about JJ.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
And I talked to a couple of general managers over
the last year about Aaron and they said, you.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Know, quirky is for kickers. We don't love our quarterbacks
to be quirky or our coaches.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Jerry Glanville was quirky as a coach, and I feel
like Aaron's aging like a quirky quarterback would where the
teams that he really was interested in, According to reporters
I trust, weren't that interested in him. Do you think
that's just age or some of his quirkiness.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
Yeah, listen to answer your first question, it is a
good fit. I do believe Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers
is a really good fit. And I told you before
the veteran quarterback market is like musical chairs. There's not
a lot of chairs the music stops. You know, all
you need is one chair. But there were maybe two chairs,
and then at the end there was probably one chair.

(11:36):
This is the only team that he could go to.
Mike Tomlin is well respected by veteran NFL quarterbacks, who
he was as a defensive coach, who who he is
as a leader. The other part of this, I think
is Arthur Smith. I think Arthur Smith is a little
bit misunderstood as a coach. I played on teams with
Arthur Smith. As a coach, he has beloved, He is
well respected. He was on the defensive side of the

(11:59):
ball as a coach when I started in Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
He was there, then he was on the offensive side.
You got to kind of connect the dots on resume
as well.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Arthur Smith was on staff and replace Matt Lafleur in
Tennessee when he got his first start as an offensive coordinator,
first opportunity. So like the thing for a veteran quarterback,
you don't want to go in and like learn some
foreign language. He's not going to have to do that
with Arthur Smith. Arthur Smith, although people think of him
as like, run the damn ball all the time, I'm

(12:29):
not adaptable.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
I believe he's very adaptable.

Speaker 6 (12:32):
At the same time, I think Aaron Rodgers needs to
be adaptable to be a run first quarterback, like that
was the plan in New York with the Jets.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
It never really happened. So I think that this is
a good fit.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
Aaron Rodgers has the weapons, the quirkiness, as you say, uh,
there's a there's it's okay in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is the
kind of organization that can handle it. I think they're
going to thrive from it. I think there's this is
a good fit for a lot of reasons and kind
of look out. I think, look out for this team,
look out for this offense.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Okay, So when I was over bicycling in Copenhagen, you know,
live in the life, are you.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Wearing a helmet? I just need to know No, I
was not.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
By the way, I may have got a Heineken in
my hand. I was fascinated by Shador Sanders. But I
was really fascinated with was the dexterity of the reporting.
There was he looks great, Jylan Gabriel is lost, Schadur,
and there was just you can tell people are taking
sides and people, you know, listen, boxing matches have three
different judges, three different people can see three different fights.

(13:35):
So but that's that's that's OTA's now veterans show up,
it's mandatory mini camp. That's a whole different ballgame, and
veterans are intimidating. Veterans are demanding. Veterans are a better
comp as the what you're playing against. You give me
a thought on what what will I need to see
at a Shadour Sanders Because I'm on the camp that

(13:57):
he was underdrafted and that he can play, I could
completely wrong. What will you look for from the reporting
from the video? What matters at that mini camp with
veterans now sitting next to you in the locker room, Well.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
It matters more.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
I mean earning the respect to the vets in the
room is important. But for me to answer your question,
what matters more is how a quarterback plays when he
is live? You know, so usually quarterbacks, you know, they
wear a different color jersey, like a red jersey or
something like that. You sit in the pocket, you're cool,
you're comfortable, you're calm. How do you play when that
jersey is off and you're where you're basically live for

(14:34):
the defense to take a shot?

Speaker 4 (14:35):
That to me is a better sense of like when
you grade somebody.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
It's not like what I'm doing in quarterback individuals topping
around bags, throwing to receivers or running backs or tight
ends on air with no defense, no consequences.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
You know. To me, I don't know when you get
that now.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
Because we've kind of lowered the number of preseason games
that we play, there aren't as many reps to go
around with all quarterbacks in the room. So I think
you're gonna maybe a I don't know when.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
You're gonna get it. You know, like some people are
trying to manufacture that.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
With joint practices and that kind of thing. But a
lot of this is going to be conjecture and kind
of what you think a guy is going to be
like when the lights turn on. That's when you go
back to the college tape for toughness, grit, some of
that stuff, certainly stuff that he showed when he was
at Colorado.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
So it doesn't bother me that Lamar Jackson missed Ota
is because Lamar and John Harbaugh are linked. They know
each other, he knows the personnel, he knows A Flowers,
Derrick Henry, and I think he's probably got a little
chip on his shoulder about his current pay structure. I
also think he wins seventy six percent of his start,
so I've never questioned his work ethic. I think Lamar
is completely committed, But there are those that will push

(15:45):
back and go, well, you were tough on Aaron Rodgers
and like, well, the Jets were different. It was a
new team. His best player, Garrett Wilson was a kid
like I kind of feel like with Lamar in Baltimore.
It doesn't bother me, should it?

Speaker 6 (15:57):
Well, it bothers me that he's leaving seven hundred and
fifty thousand dollars in a roster bonus on the table.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
I'm just like, Ah, that hurts. I heard for you, man.
I don't know, like, figure it out, go lift some
weights in Baltimore. Good to be that bad? I mean, shoot,
what are they doing that you don't want to be there?
Is Miami that fun? I don't know, but no, listen.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
Much like Aaron Rodgers didn't think he need to be
there till till June ninth, I kind of grew up
in that same thing. It was great for me as
the backup quarterback of the Green Bay Packers to develop
the younger roster that Brett farv never showed up in
the offseason. It actually, I believe kind of strengthened the team,
strengthen the backup roles.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
You've seen backup quarterbacks like.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Tyler Huntley like actually coming and play pretty well when
called upon at times for Baltimore. So, you know, for me,
it's a little bit of this, like if I'm Jim
Harbaugh and the Ravens, I'm like, you know what, kind
of like Brett Favre back in the day with Mike
holmbrid Lamar, You're not here, You're not gonna get hurt,
You're gonna show up ready to go. You're going to
be the MVP candidate that you are every year. I'm

(16:59):
not necessarily worried worried about it. Hey, quarterback room, let's
see if you can develop and be a leader.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Would I like him there? Sure, I'd like him there.

Speaker 6 (17:08):
But ultimately I think you can look at a glass
half full on something like this.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
And.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
Lamar is Lamar. He's kind of one of one. A
lot of people say, like, oh, this guy's like Lamar.
There's nobody else like Lamar. He's he's special.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
You know, I think it's interesting the one player drafted
and it wasn't a particularly strong draft in any position.
Cam Ward fascinates me. I like his journey. He was
a no star quarterback. I like that he transferred every
time I've seen him at the podium, totally focused, all ball,
all the time again at OTAs, every report is God.

(17:47):
And by the way, he was accurate in college. He
could do a little hero ball. But tell me take
me through. So you come in and you're twenty two,
twenty three years old, and Tennessee has not been great
at quarterback and here come all the veterans into camp tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
And was it harder for you when you were twenty.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Eight, thirty two, thirty three, thirty four and here comes
the kid to take over the culture?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Is that a weird vibe?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
As Cam warrick Because they need him to be a
twelve year veteran. They need him to run the show,
and I think he's capable of it. It's that always
been maybe in Green Bay, when the youngest guy in
the locker room is asked to be the leader. Is
that a weird feeling or the players, the veteran players
look at it and go.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
It's quarterback, the kids, smartest talented. I'm watching him let's
go all in.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
Yeah, what veteran players respect is excellence. I remember Bill
Cower speaking at my rookie symposium and he nailed it,
and it was really about like, how how much can
we count on you to do your job?

Speaker 4 (18:48):
How hard are you going to work? And listen callin.
At the end of my career, I was forty years old.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
I was backing up a young quarterback, the first overall picked,
also named Andrew Luck. He was the hardest worker in
the building. He was the first guy there, he was
the last guy to leave. And like, those aren't just
cliche things. That was like actually legitimately true, to the
point that our quarterback coach was like, Hey, once you
sleep in a little bit tomorrow, Hey, why don't you
get out of here and go home.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Let's set a time.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
We're gonna let that that loss from yesterday or that
win from yesterday.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
We're gonna let that go and move on.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
That's those are the reports that matter just as much
to me about about Camp. He's he's been a diligent,
diligent worker. He's setting the tone by when he gets
to work, how he works when he's there.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
He's not about the flash and all the other stuff.

Speaker 6 (19:32):
He's about the business of football, about the business of
being the quarterback and the leader. That's the stuff that
I don't care if you're young, old, everybody respects in
the locker room. And it's early, but he's off to
a great start. It's he's filling I think he's filling
a void in some ways. You know, that city and
that town is a distracting town. They call it nash

(19:54):
Vegas for a reason. It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
So if you get somebody that comes in.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
There and it's all about football, that's very, very important
in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, my daughter just moved there, and every time I
say how are you doing, I get a picture of
a music festival she's at.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
So I'm not sure she's working anymore, but.

Speaker 6 (20:13):
In a bachelorette party or thirty on the streets, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
No, it's a.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Great city, as always, buddy, great scene in Matt Hasselback.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Thanks man, see it.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, Now, Nashville is one of the if you are
I told my daughter this, if you're twenty three years
old and out of college, go to Nashville and figure
it out.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
That is a good time.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
When you got thirty places you can step into on
a Tuesday night that have live music.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
You may be singing by the end of the night,
but it is a fun town.

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Speaker 2 (22:09):
J Mack with the news.

Speaker 7 (22:11):
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Speaker 5 (22:21):
Kevin Durant rumorvil it is going overtime right now. The
latest report, according to an Arizona radio host who people
say is plugged in, claims that Durant is telling people, Hey, man,
I could be headed.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
To San Antonio now.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
I have looked at the Spurs salary situation and it's
tough finding the numbers to that's Kevin Durant, but Colin
Devin Vassel, Harrison Barn You're definitely not giving up the number.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
The number two you're not.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
You're not giving up Wemby or Castle. You're not giving up.
But but Miceelle six six, three and D guy, they
need to get younger with B and KD. They want
to get younger.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
If you get Basell, Harrison, Barnes two picks.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
I think vassal Vessel.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
Whatever you have, if you say is that you know
what he is a poor man's devid book. So you're
duplicating effort and you still have Bradley Gil. None of
this makes that smelling. And this is the Kevin Durant thing.
It deserves a longer discussion. I don't know what he's worth,
Gonna be thirty seven years old, gonna want to get
paid again.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Are you giving up anything for this guy?

Speaker 5 (23:27):
I'm not giving up a top ten pick for Kevin
Durant A.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Way I am. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
I think Kevin Durant's gonna age well because his game, well,
his game has never been hyper athletics. He's not worn
down because he's ball centric. He's like Klay Thompson, but
better and taller. Get me the ball late in the
clock and I can dial up with three. Because this
is a guy, I think his game ages incredibly well.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Take Lebron out. He ages better than everybody.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
But you look at play and you go like a
player like Westbrook who's hyper athletic. As his athletic ability dims,
the game doesn't feel the same. But I think Durant
has three more really good twenty five points a game,
twenty four point a game. He's a catch and shoot guy.
At the end of the clock. He can still beat
guys off the dribble. His length, he's not getting shorter.

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He's a tough matchup.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
I like him, So my problem with KD.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
He's been on two super teams recently Brooklyn with Hardin
and Kyrie and now in Phoenix with Devin Booker and
Bradley Beal. They got swept in the playoffs two of
his last three trips. How good are we with Kevin
Durant as our alcohol?

Speaker 1 (24:39):
He's a piece, He's not the foundation. He is a
good on any night or any possession. He can be
your best player. But I'm not building around him.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
So they're getting him. Who would you give up?

Speaker 5 (24:53):
Future resources? Wemby Daron fox Castle and KD. Are they
tough five in the West? Yes?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Absolutely missed the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
Colin and Phoenix missed the playoffs, he didn't have wemby
Stefan Castle.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Castle is going to be an All Star. He had
got to be a six time All Star.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
He had it all NBA.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Devin Booker's a scored.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I don't think Devin Booker has proven pre pre Chris
Paul and after Chris Paul, Devon gets your points.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
He doesn't get your wins. That's not who he is.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Oh wow, I you're high on, Kadie. This is gonna
be fun. What are we doing next NFL?

Speaker 5 (25:32):
So with the Aaron Rodgers signing, we have a lot
more juice with that primetime matchup. In Week eight, we
get Jordan Love and the Packers against the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Love spoke to what it'll.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
Be like facing his former teammate in their Sunday night showdown.

Speaker 10 (25:47):
I was excited for a rod I don't think I
was too surprised. I feel like there's a lot of
rumors going on through a whole offseason by him going
to the Steelers, So you know, I was the side
of him that he was obviously coming back and be playing.
You know, there's also rumors that he might be done,
so just knowing he's going to be keep playing.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know, that's pretty awesome.

Speaker 10 (26:06):
I'm excited for you know, I can't wait to be
on different size meeting up and I know we'll talk
pregame things like that, and hopefully we've gone a Shane Jersey.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
After So, as I was cycling around Dusseldorf, I ran
into a Packer fan and he brought up. He asked me,
he said, how do you think? What do you think
of Jordan Love? And I said, you know the problem
with Jordan Love. I was a fan of him, but
when you get a great athlete, they become truth seruh.
Like when you watch Andrew Loucke walk into the league

(26:36):
and when eleven games with a horrible roster, you're like, well,
that's what great. Is the emergence of Jaden Daniels with
a weaker than Green Bay roster and he's leading them
to the conference championship and he's unbelievable in the fourth
down and he's unbelievable. Makes me look at Jordan Love
and go, dude, you were under the floor for three years.

(26:59):
Last year your second year starting, and I'm not sure
what Jordan Love is that Jadeen Daniels is this barometer
of truth where you and I both I'm higher on
Jordan Love than you are. But my take is I
watched Jade and Daniels come out of college football, and

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by week five he was as accurate as any quarterback
two minute drill, including Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
And it's really so.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I told a backer man, I don't know, but I
know the guy in Washington did right out of college
who did not get three.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Years with Matt Lafleur. Like I don't know what Jordan
Love is. I don't.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
That's a good point, although in my head I'm playing
back Colin. You guys don't realize Colin. He actually said
all this to a random cyclist in Dusseldorf. You're always
on and that that's a pretty good take because I'm
kind of with you. I don't know what to do
with Jordan Love. Did he underperform? Is that who it
really is.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'm not a huge I'm not a huge Rock Pretty fan,
but he walked in the league after a lot of
college starts, and Brock Purtty was instantly capable of running
Kyle Shanahan's offense. Now again, I don't think he's what
you do, but.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
He didn't need to sit for three years. Okay, short,
we got to remember this. SHORTA Love got three years
of elite.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Coaching from Matt Lafleur, and I'm still going, I'm not
sure what he is like. That's my Justin Field's concern. Like, dude,
i've seen you now with two teams. I still don't
know what you are. You're probably not great, so I
don't The poor guy in Dusseldorf just wanted a five minutes,
five second conversation and I broke down the NFC North.

(28:40):
But the point was, if I'm a Dusseldorf, if you
can ask me about Jordan Love and I don't have
an answer.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
What he is.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
If we're hurting for NFL topics, I mean, I would
like you to rank the quarterbacks in the NFC, because
the way.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
You broke down Jordan Love, you have to have brock
Purty ahead of him, right, you have to. Well, I
know here's what. I know exactly what pretty is, and
I actually know what he's not. My concern with Jordan
Love is I know what he is at his best,
but last year at the end, I saw some of
his worst. And so now I go into the season,
if there was a quarterback that was a question.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Mark in the league.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
It'd be JJ McCarthy, who I haven't seen, and Jordan Love,
who I have, And I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
What either is.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
Is it a tell that the Packers took a wide
receiver in the first round. Does that say anything about
Love or is that about the wide receiver room?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I think teams draft this is what Ben Johnson and
the Bears did in Ryan Poles. The Bears told you, listen,
we don't know if Caleb's the guy, but we're gonna
get him an offensive coach. We're gonna pay for Drew
Dolman and Joe Tooney, and we're gonna go get lovelin
the tight end from Michigan with Cole Comett.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
We're gonna find out.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
By Thanksgiving if Caleb Williams can play, We're gonna find out.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
That's the way to do it, And so I think
the Packers are saying, is okay Christian Watson can't stay healthy,
Romeo Dobbs maybe a bit inconsistent and immature. I love that,
by the way, that kid from Texas Green Bay got
can pla. So I do think teams tell you as
you said, tell they tell you what concerns them in
the draft, not only because of talent but urgency. And

(30:11):
I think the Bears and the Packers told you we
got to find out if our guy can play.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Next up is Brian Schottenheimer Colin in Dallas.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yes, this video is real. He's trying to change the culture.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
He took the team paintballing early in this offseason, and
the latest team building activity involved taking the quarterbacks to
a Greek dance class. I've never done one of those,
so I don't really know what's going on here.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yeah, what are they going plates?

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Is that a thing?

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Sorry, guys, I didn't even see my big fat Greek wedding.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Oh it's great, tremendous movie.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
Brian Schottenheimer, Bro, Maybe we need some team building activities
like this, Collin.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I'm taking the guys out tomorrow for dinner. Oh are you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, I already know where. We're going, going to a
pretty fancy place. You go ahead, you go over to
Slurpies down at the beach. I'm taking these guys. It's
a big time steakhoutl.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
J.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Mack with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by. The Herd Line News. It's funny.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
So sometimes the public and we're all, you know, we
all emote, we all get emotional. Here's what's fascinating with
Bill Belichick in North Carolina. I'm not going to spoil it.
This betting trend. There's a timeline when everybody bailed on Belichick,

(31:52):
and I'll get to that in a second.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
This is interesting.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
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Speaker 5 (32:00):
The Marlins battling O'Neill, Prus and the Pirates, followed by
the Mariners taking on the Diamondbacks. And I'll start at
six thirty East tern right here, and it has one.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
You know, I was talking during Right and Wrong about
the Dodgers pitchers for the like third to fourth year
in a row.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Nobody can stay healthy. The Dodgers payroll.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
One hundred and two million is what the Dodgers spend
annually on pitchers. That is more than six teams spend
on their entire roster. So there's a huge disparity, a
huge gap, which isn't necessarily great for the sport. But
you know, if the Yankees Dodgers are good, it's braves
are good, Cubs are good. You know, it's not bad
for baseball because outside of the NFL, everybody needs market cities,

(32:42):
stars and certain teams to win. But now I was
thinking about this as I was reading a story this
morning about the Dodgers. If I own a major League
Baseball team, I would spend my money on position players,
even if I was not a playoff team. I'm losing
six to five, I'm losing seven to six. It's fun
to watch.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
The Dodgers have.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Been spending so much money on pitching. Last year in
the World Series, in game was it five? Game four?
They had to go to a bullpen game. So I
don't know what it is. It's something systemic in the organization.
They can't keep pitchers healthy, and it would drive me
nuts if I was an owner. I mean, if your

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pitchers are healthy, they still only pitch every fourth or
fifth day, unless you may have a closer that pitches
twice a week or a setup guy that pitches an
inning twice a week. Your starters are pitching once every
five days. That's if they're healthy. I mean, the Dodgers
are spending one hundred million and the guys never play.
That would drive me crazy. And now again they're paying

(33:43):
all they're in a different ballgame. They pay Otani, Freddie Freeman,
Mookie Betts, Max Months, They got stars everywhere.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
But I do think about that sometimes.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Is if I was somebody running a major League baseball team,
at least if I'm viable with position players, I'm paying
the fans back. You're going to a game, You're getting
four it bats. The Dodgers, it's like half their payroll.
It's just not available. It's incre and it's been this
is it's been like this for four years. They should

(34:13):
have more than one COVID World Series title and thanks
to an Air and Judge Air a second World Series title.
It feels like they've they've actually underachieved for the payroll
is what it feels like. And a lot of it
is nobody's ever healthy. Their arms are never healthy. So
I saw this story. This is fascinating. So Bill Belichick
is dating Jordan Hudson. By the way, The Athletic has

(34:35):
a fascinating piece on Jordan Hudson. Everybody complains they don't care,
but I'm monitored downloads and interest and ratings on this show.
Is the Belichick stuff is interesting. So according to the athletics,
Matt Baker, the Belichick North Carolina over bets. The over

(35:00):
under on wins is seven and a half. I would
take the over because the ACC is just awful. I mean,
cross your fingers that Clemson's good. But Clemson doesn't want
to do the nil stuff, which gives North Carolina an
opportunity to go heavy INIL and catch up in short time.
But if Clemson's no good next year, the conference is awful.
There's not a second dependably good program. I mean, SEC

(35:22):
and Big Ten have four or five teams that you
know are going to.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Be top end teams. So listen to this.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Before the Jordan Hudson Bill Belichick CBS interview, remember that
was the interview where she interrupted the CBS reporter and said,
don't ask about us. Before that interview, seventy nine percent
of bets on Carolina were over seven and a half wins.

(35:49):
Since that interview, eighty nine percent of bets are under
seven and a half wins.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
So what it.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Tells you is guys and men overwhelmingly do the sports
betting in America. Said she's controlling Belichick. He's now a puppet.
She's running the show. Remember North Carolina told you in
a press release after that interview, Jordan Hudson has nothing
to do with Carolina football. She's his social stockbroker, his

(36:17):
social news and every guy that I know personally that
is successful, there's a strong woman in his life. She's
making the decision, she's running the house half the time.
She's got huge say in the business. So I think
the age thing drives people crazy, but I think Belichick

(36:39):
there's a brilliance to it. Belichick is saying, listen, I
don't care about snap Graham and insta chat. I don't
care about this crap. It's not my thing. She's great
at it. And he also sees that she's hyper aggressive.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I mean she is. She's got some testosterone here.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
She goes after people, and she doesn't have any problem
leading pushing back to the media. She has a distrust
of the media like Bill does. That's probably very attractive
to him as a business guy. Bill's looking at it
thinking she's a go getter. She's like, she's got real estate,
she's got the social stuff. She was a pageant star
in Maine. It's probably very attractive. Like at this point

(37:18):
in his life, Bill wants to do football. He didn't
want to deal with the social media stuff, but Belichick saying, listen,
I don't want to deal with the social media stuff,
but as a college coach, I need the social media stuff.
So who am I going to trust her? So but
it's interesting to bets guys who do the overwhelming amount
of betting. That CBS interview came out and they saw

(37:40):
her as too strong, too forceful, and everybody now bets
the under give me the schedule again.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
I'm betting the over now.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I do think whether it's Brian Kelly at LSU or
Lincoln Riley at USC, or Mario Christobal or Dion Sanders,
nil can buy you talent. It cannot buy you chemistry.
It cannot buy you chemistry. And I think now Clemson's
gone too far the other way way.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
They won't do it at all.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
I think you do need to bring six or seven
guys in that third corner, that second you know that
right tackle. I think the NIL I don't think you
can foundationally build around it, but I do think it
adds value. Because more players are transferring out of your program,
you got to replace them. I mean, that's just the
merry go round of college sports. The NIL but you
look at this schedule, you're gonna tell me Belichick can't

(38:30):
beat Charlotte, Richmond, col Wake Forest. Boy, there's a lot
of academic powers here. He's going to lose to Clemson
and maybe they'd lose at at Syracuse. That's about it.
Pot I look at that. First of all, the ACC
is an excellent academic institution. This would win, you know,

(38:54):
greatest academic football schedule. But I don't outside of Clemson
and Syracuse. You tell me what the l's are, j Max,
I don't see it. This a week schedule.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
That's the problem.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
You got to if they're not going to clear their
win total, you got to find four losses at least.
Now interesting scheduling. Note, the Clemson game is bookended by
as of now bye weeks, so it's basically buy into
Clemson by after. Yeah, they're hardame the Cal I thought
would be difficult, but I talked to them now people.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
They lost some of their best players.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
They they lost their backfield. Cal lost their quarterback and
their entire backfield. So they're the opposite of Penn State
that's got NFL guys behind center.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
They lost all their guys.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
One thing that's annoying about college football.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
So the NFL, you can find a line on every
game all season, week twelve, Give me the lines, you
got them.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
You can't do that in college football. They don't have
all the lines.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
So even if NC loses to TCU and the opener,
they're still in great shape because they're going to be favored.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
My guess is in a lot of these games.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
Came unless they look awful and they lose forty nine
to seven or something.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
To teach.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
So they have twelve game scheduled, you have to find
four losses. So let's say Clemson's a loss. Let's even
say you CF is a loss. Okay, Clemson US are
three and two. Cal's got no firepower. They lose to Syracuse,
so I can say UCF, Clemson and Syracuse. But boy,
there's a they're just gonna have better players. And again

(40:18):
my concern is Belichick's two sondraw the staff, Lombardi's son.
They may work. I'm not saying sons can't be good coaches.
That's not what I'm saying, but it does feel it's
a little bit of a family reunion on the staff,
which it's not. How Saban built his dynasty Ryan Day,
By the way, his son is getting scholarship offers. I
read it this morning, Kent State, Marshall Akron, Cincinnati. You

(40:39):
know where he's not being offered Ohio State, So that
I worry about. But I can't find four losses on
that skin. And I bought my Lindy's College Football magazine
and read it for three hours yesterday. There are not
a lot of good teams on that list. Your hardcore.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
I'll also ask Colin, like, when you hear all these
betters are going against Belichick after the Jordan Hudson's stories
come out, don't you think that's dumb money. I mean
not to be disrespectful to all these guys, but it's like,
what are we doing