June 9, 2025 • 33 mins
Draymond Green reacts to Shai Gilgeous-Alexander dropping 34 points in Game 2 of the NBA Finals to help the Oklahoma City Thunder bounce back against Tyrese Haliburton's Indiana Pacers. Dray breaks down OKC's all-around team effort, with solid contributions from Alex Caruso, Chet Holmgren, and Jalen Williams, and questions why Haliburton took his foot off the gas after stealing Game 1. After, Dray reacts to San Antonio Spurs center Victor Wembanyama being photographed with a shaved head at a Shaolin temple, the Phoenix Suns hiring Jordan Ott as head coach, and Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James saying that youth basketball is being damaged by every player having trainers.
2:30 - NBA Finals court controversy
4:30 - Thunder even series at 1-1 reaction
14:30 - Alex Caruso more important than Chet?
30:00 - Wemby the monk, Suns hire Ott, LeBron on youth basketball
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to The Draymond
Green Show with Baron Davis. I'm all solo tonight. BD
will be back Wednesday live after Game three. Uh, just
(00:23):
jumping right in. Obviously it's NBA Finals, tun that is
the most important thing, although it's not feeling like the
most important thing. There's this whole debacle with the court
and liked it. So I'm gonna rewind a little bit.
Somewhere along the archives you can see me talking about
like the NBA course and how like it was so
(00:44):
dope when at the center of the court was the logo,
but the big Larry O'Brien trophy, like that was so dope,
it was fire. What happened to that? And like sure
enough we had went to like the side saying the
finals or trophy somewhere, and like what happened to that?
You know? And so we come into this year where
(01:05):
by all intensive purposes, everybody's kind of been writing off
this NBA Finals, you know, and in large part because
it's like a two new cast of characters. Okay, see
in Indiana. But when I said also newcast of characters,
it's not bron it's not Steph. You know, it's not
like Jason Tatum or you know guys who you've seen
(01:26):
in it over and over and over and again. It's
not that it's different. It's young. It's young gossip. So
I feel like a lot of people have been writing this.
This spinals off and so with that going on, the
last thing I would expect it is like no trophy
be on the court. Like I'm a fan of the
trophy being at center court, big as hell, and like,
(01:47):
there's no trophy on the court, and you know, I
saw everybody going crazy about the flag waving, flag is waving,
and then the trophy appears on the court. I saw
some funny memes on Instagram. One of them there they
gave us the here n word here trophy. I said,
(02:13):
oh my god, here, get out here, get out here.
Here you go, like the internet is undefeated. But you know,
I was really shocked by that, and so, you know,
and saying that getting back to the game game two,
we have a one to one NBA Finals, Okay, see
(02:36):
even that out winning the game one twenty three to
one oh seven, kind of getting back to their dominant
way as although it's crazy, man, I don't know what
to make of this series. You know, you watch this
series and it's crazy because okay, see that's two times
now where you see them building up that big leading
(02:57):
you think they're about to like and it just kind
of floats around twenty nineteen, seventeen, eleven, twenty two seventeen,
like it's kind of flowing. You ain't necessarily seeing them
put them away how they've put teams away. And to me,
that's interesting because you always know, like with Indiana, what
(03:18):
they've shown is that they're always in striking distance. You
get them a puncher chance, they taking the chance, and
so they've shown that and so this series is just
a little weird to me. I think when I watched
this series, when I'm taking away after a couple of games,
is like, who are the most important players in this suities?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Like who?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
When you watch this series, Who's like, oh man, this
guy has to play well in order for this team
it went Obviously Holly has to play well. No, Holly
had I think twelve points in the fourth quarter end
up finishing with seventeen. But I must tell you the
hot and I said it last time, Holly, that I
(04:00):
thought the helly that I thought would come out. It
wasn't that guy right, Like I think he came out
like like you gotta understand, See, this is where experience.
You always hear people talk about experience in these moments,
this is where the experience take over. Because I said,
after the last game, I was like, Yo, howly gonna
(04:21):
come out? He gonna come out firing him have two
bad games in a row, And to me, it didn't
feel like he came out forcing the issue and not
having the bad game. Like because when you when you're
the guy and you in this situation, it's so For instance,
they pulled out game one surprisingly shockingly, shouldn't have, couldn't have,
wouldn't have, whatever you may feel, they pulled out game one,
(04:45):
putting them in the driver's seat. And guess what the
reality is, they still in the driver's seat. They won
one going back home, but if that put them really
in the driver's sea, Like, there's no better feeling than
the NBA Finals or the any playoff series. You pull
into town and you win game one and you free
rolling for game two, there's no better feeling that having
(05:06):
a free roll, free swing. You gotta free swing in
game two. There's no better feeling But when I say
the experience come, then I saw Holly complain for a
foul call like try to flop early in the game,
and I said to my boys, I said, he should
understand they up one oh, you gotta run through everybody
(05:28):
chest up one off to get to wear like you
ain't getting a flop call. You ain't like when you
up one oh. In that situation, you gotta like, you
gotta do all that you can to take game two,
and you gotta show everybody that you mean business. Then
you have to and even when you show them that
you mean business, you still gotta go take game two
(05:50):
and no call, no whistles going your way. That's just
human nature. That is just not happening. And so when
I saw that early on, I was like, ah, I
literally said to my boys, he gotta he better understand what.
And so that's where I say they experience takes so
because when you the guy in that situation, you gotta
(06:10):
come out going for broke because you have to play incredible.
You got the guys that's across from you pissed off.
These guys even pissed off that they just felt like
they gave one away their first ever NBA Finals experience,
they feel like they gave the game away. Not only
are they pissed off that they feel like they gave
him away, but naturally they're down oh one, Like you
(06:32):
gotta come out pissed off. You cannot go down two,
and so you're up against that. And I just didn't
think he came out with the oppressiveness that it would
have required him to win, Like in order to go
take that game too, he gotta come out so aggressive
to where his guys on his sidelight, Hey, that's what
we own, Like it's almost like and they see it
(06:54):
and like all right, like, well, I can't leave him
out there, so I gotta do X, Y and Z.
And I just didn't think I saw that. Saying it's
the first time all playoffs, I'll say I ain't saw that.
We've seen them win game one after game went, after
game won, and game two they came out fire like,
So it's the first time I'll say that I can
(07:15):
recall them like not like coming out swinging, and so
I'll give them that, But I think that's just something
that you have to understand and experience can't change that,
you know, So you got okay, see with five players
with fifteen plus first time in the NBA Finals. Since
we won't talk about the NBA Finals. Who the fuck
cares about the NBA finals? You want to know when
(07:37):
that NBA Finals was, You're gonna look at yourself. We
want to talk about that NBA Finals And moving on,
you know, I told y'all I get these rundowns like
just to help me stay on topic, you know, on
there so I know what topics I want to hit.
Boom boom boom, And then I rolled and we got
Charles over here. But it's the first time since to
(08:01):
Fineos versus you know, whatever stole my whole or off
man anyway, just stole my whole, you know what. Moving on,
SG ain't had thirty four points, eight assist fort steels
(08:21):
in game two. Wow, you know they have five players.
I'm so thrown off right now, Like y'all don't understand
this is the guy I want. This is like the
fourth time he's done it where he like throw a
little job like And by the way, y'all should know,
this wasn't all my rundown. When I first looked through
my rundown and wasn't on there. Then you look back
(08:42):
and their parentzes. It's their first time since twenty nineteen
NBA Final about the Raptors, Like, that's a very soft
spot for me if anyone can guess why. And I'm
not over you never get over these things. But anyway,
Shaye past Ai for the most points in the first
(09:04):
career two career finals games. Ai has seventy one. Shay
has seventy two. The significance of that. Shout out to Ai,
Happy birthday to the OG. Happy fiftieth birthday. Ai turned
at fifty. It's crazy like Ai is our childhood and
(09:24):
he turned it fifty. Shout out to the Og, Bubba
Chuck Man, We love you Ai. Nothing can change that.
You are a god forever. We appreciate you much. Love
to Ai. Happy birthday, to the go to the legend,
nothing but love for Ai. I forgot where I was
going with my whole thing because that thing threw me
(09:46):
all the way off. But we're going to move on.
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back to OKAC having five players with over fifteen points,
(12:37):
it makes it interesting for me because when you look
at OKC, who are the most important players on that team?
And for me, I feel like I struggle with that,
Like I don't think there's any question that jadb is
the second most important player, the second best player, however
you want to script it, it's Jade. I don't think
(12:59):
any of us have any doubt on that. But I
think where it gets interesting for me is when I
watch these things, I try to think about these things
in terms of like if I was playing against them,
Like what are you prioritizing right, Because when you go
in these series, it's an NBA team, it's the best
NBA teams, and a lot of times in these series
(13:24):
you have to pick like I'm willing to let that
thing beat me because in the NBA, like it's hard
to stop everything, Like you got so much talent, you
got so many IQs and basketball smarts amongst these coaches
tasks that that's just how I think about it, like
what what would I be willing to look at and say,
(13:46):
all right, that's the thing that's going to be me. Well,
in turn, that requires you to put into context like
who's the most important people? You know, like who's the
And when I look at it, when I take a
start back and look at this, I always feel like
it's hard, Like who's the most important person? Right, Like
in theory you want to say it's check Like in
(14:09):
theory it looks like it's supposed to be chatted. But
like when I take a step back, I look at
this team, ain't chet was out this year a large
bulk of this year, and they were just fine. Even
hardstyle was out for quite a bit. In that team
roll like I think they had like j Dubb at
the five or Lou at the five and they still
continue to roll. Then they played Kenrick Williams at some
(14:31):
five like they just figured it out and continued the row.
And so it brings you to the point of who's
like the third most important player on the team, and
also who's the third most important player on the team
may not be the third most important player in this series,
And that's where it gets triggered when you start talking
about third most important players, third option, because like one
(14:52):
and two is usually always one to two, that's what
it is, and then the regular season and third it's
usually third like it's but when you get to the playoffs,
thar can be taken out of a series and five
or six can become more important than three. And I
feel like when I look at this OKC team, I
(15:13):
actually think the third most important player is Alex Caruso.
And I find it very interesting because hey, come off
the bench. I think that's always interesting in himself, like
he's coming off the bench, he's the third most important player.
Sometimes you run into that in the regular season lou Will,
(15:34):
for instance, right like you got a coach that's agreeing, like, yo,
we want you to get this six man award, like,
but then when he get into the playoffs, he usually
go out the window. And I think Caruso is so
important to what they do, and I feel like you
never gain plan for him. It's so because you don't
gain plan for him. He coming to these finals and
(15:55):
he go crazy, But the reality is he's a champion,
so he actually knows what the expected. If I'm a
betting man, and not even a betting man. But if
I am, if I'm a coach, if I'm an opposing coach,
I'm saying, man, I know this guy, but see, And
that's where I think playing makes the difference. It's like
because you understand a little more, and I'd be like,
(16:17):
Caruso's been in this moment, He's shown us over and
over again, he can deliver in this moment. I think
I'm gonna make the guy. I'm going to make him
so important to our game plan. I'm going to make
less of it importance in our game plan to the
guy who hasn't done it, can't do that the shade, Yeah,
he hasn't been there, but come on, which Jay duve
(16:38):
you try to if you want to. We once tried
to legend Lebron shoot threes in the game. We lost
by sixty. It's fine. It was just a throw something
out there and cast it out there. See where it
didn't work. So don't go for number two, But for
number three. I actually think Caruso is more important, especially
(16:58):
for this series, and so place that bet on the
guy that hasn't done it. And Chet hasn't done it.
I know Caruso can beat me. He's shown me he
can beat me on several different points back then when
he won a championship be showing a drinking beach. And
so I'm just not sure that that would be the
(17:19):
bet that I'd be making. And I think that's where
it gets interesting, Like I think Indiana Styve gonna have
to take a deep dive, but like importance, like who
hurts us more?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Because jay Dove had a pretty average, not great, but decent,
like decently productive game one and they should have won
a game, like they blew the game.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
But they should have won the game. But Chet was bad,
like Chet did not have a good game, and you
fast forward, jay Dove played better than I. Also Chet
played better than I. Also everybody played better than I.
But I'm just not sure that, especially in this series,
that if I'm not the opposed coach in Indiana, I'm
(18:10):
not making the bet that our game plan needs to
be focused on these three guys. What we can do
to take these three guys out of it, and what
can I do to take Alice Caruso completely out the game?
And how can I scheme against Alice Caruso to possibly
take him completely out the game because he's so important
(18:30):
to everything they do, Like defensively, he's so important to
everything they do. Offensively, he give you another guy that
can handle the ball, that's smart to make decisions, that's
going to shoot the right shots, and I take the
wrong shots. So if you can put him in a
situation where you can figure out how to make him uncomfortable,
how to make him how to make the coach second
guest planner, because he's clearly not all the way bought
(18:53):
in on him. He's we'd be starting them, like you
understand the importance of that. So how can I put
him in a position where he have to think me
and Mark diagno how you think, and he may go
the wrong way. I think that's what the indre the
Pacers has to be figuring out, Like this has to
be a matchup game for them, Like they got to
get so diabolical down to each matchup, each person on
(19:15):
the floor. How can we exploit any weakness that Okay
he has because obviously okayse he's the better team, but
they don't have the experience. And because they don't have
the experience, you have to exploit those things while they
don't have the experience and that's where this series gets
(19:36):
really interested for me, is can Rick Carlile and his
staff exploit Okay sees you exploiting their youth means a
multitude of things, but simply put put in them in
situations that they have not seen, that they can be
(19:56):
uncomfortable in, and that it's going to take a little
while to figure out because you already stole one game.
So all of a sudden you get to a certain
point in the NBA Finals where you still wink get another,
you put doubt anything you need to creep in for
you to win this series is what has to happen.
So it'll be interesting to see if they make some
(20:18):
of those adjustments to make them more uncomfortable, because ultimately,
right now, I think even with OKC losing Game one,
they were comfortable, like they felt like they should have won.
They came out, they played hard, they got it done,
and that's that. So what can you do to make
this group uncomfortable? As I think, what and obviously that's
(20:40):
everybody's like thought, right, but like them more so than other, Like,
how do you make them uncomfortable to where you can
play at their news? Because the only way you can
play at their youth is to make them uncomfortable and
then play at it. Right now, if you just lead
them comfortable as irrelevant, If you can make them uncomfortable
and then pull their youth streets, I think that's how
(21:01):
you ultimately gotta beat this scene. And I think that's
what Indiana has to do. But going back, you know
to Holle, like I said, Holly, gotta be gotta be
more aggressive and you gotta come out swinging because the
guy's gonna follow you. That's just what it boils down to.
So well, see, okay, See's bench was a was great.
(21:22):
You had Carusso twenty off the bench. You had Aaron
Wiggins with eighteen threes eighteen points five threes off the bench.
And now the show goes on the road and it
gets more interesting. You know why because role players play
better at home and now on the road, and all
the role players stepping up is what one for OKC today.
(21:44):
But I can see what Indiana's theory is. We're gonna
try to take everyone else out, make it tough on
everyone else, and make sure beat us one on one.
Problem in Shaye had thirty four and eight and everybody
else got off. So if that's going to be the thing.
You guys actually stop everybody else, and they did not
(22:05):
do that tonight. So you know, I think if I'm Indiana,
I think you gotta throw more zone. Okay, see packed
to paint a little more. Sometimes you gotta dare them
to shoot. But I think what just like with any
NBA team, like especially at this level, you gotta switch
(22:25):
it up, like sometimes you gotta be Darren in the shoot,
sometimes you gotta be flying at the close, and like
you just got to keep these guys off Damans once again,
playing at that youth, I think if you can do that,
that's ultimately what wins you the game. I saw something
that Mark Diagno said that after the game. He said,
Indiana's an acquired taste. We haven't played them a lot.
(22:47):
They play a distinct style on both ends. I just
thought the guys did a good job of just improving,
which is important going from game one and game two.
I see what he's getting at, Like they're a little
they're a little unconventional for sure. Uh, winning balls down
to it. You gotta go out there and beat me
and tonight, okay, so you just did that. So I
(23:08):
think this series is interesting. Okay, see, could very much
so go win the next two games. Indiana, as we know,
could very much so go on and win these next
two games. And I think it's going to be like ultimately,
Rick Kyle ale Hast to undoubtedly out coach Mark Dana
in order for the Spacers to win this series. I
(23:29):
think Rich Carlos is a great coach. I think he's
capable of I'll coaching someone, so we'll see if you
do it.
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Speaker 1 (24:02):
We're gonna move around this league a little bit before
we get out of here. What is your reaction to
wenby the Monk. I saw a meme that said, Wendy
went bald already is over for the league now. Much
respect to anybody who's following their religion, who's following their beliefs,
(24:23):
whatever it is that they believe. Much respect to anybody.
I didn't know he's a little surprised by the photo out,
but I guess in twenty twenty five. He can't be
surprised by any photo oup but yeah, when I saw
the first thing I thought was like, is he in
San Antonio? Like, I hope he's doing well. Obviously we
remember he left with a blood cut, so I've been
(24:44):
keeping my fingers crossing, sending up my prayers to the
Big Man, just for everybody to be healthy. So I
hope that means he's healthy. Moving forward to my gud
Spartan Dall Michigan stated alone, he went to grass School
at Michigan State. He's a Penn State undergrad. It's my
guy actually trained me for the NBA Drift. So a
(25:07):
little quick story for y'all. I signed with Ron Shade
coming out of college. Ron Shade is my age of Ron.
That's my brother. Still to this day, Ron is with
Octagon Sports now, but Ron is my brother, that's my guy.
And I signed with Ron coming out of college. And
I went to Chicago where Ron lived for like three
(25:29):
or four days, and I was training and it wasn't
that the trainer wasn't great, because I actually thought the
training was great. Like when I go to Chicago, I
still train with him like he's incredible. His name's Basil Besis,
incredible trainer. But I trained her for a few days
and I told him, like, Yo, I'm gonna go back
to Michigan State. And the reason I went back was
more so it wasn't about the trainer or anything. It
(25:51):
was about I felt like I had grinded and became
who I became at Michigan State. So literally my first
three summers in the NBA, every I went back to
Michigan State because I felt like that was the place
where I go and when I go there, I lock
in like no other I grind, I get to it
like and so that's where I felt comfortable, like going
through my pre drift ground that so I went back
(26:14):
there and who trained me for the drift, literally trained
me for my pre drift workout was Jordan I. Jordan
was a video guy video coordinator at Michigan State. UH
he had been in GA before then he left and
took the video job at Penn State, came back and
took it at Michigan State and trained me for the
(26:35):
NBA Draft. Jordan I becomes the head coach of the
Phoenix Sons. Shout out to j I. Jay I came
into the NBA with the Hawks, worked under Bud super
tight with Kenny, went to Brooklyn with Kenny, worked on
the staff with Darvar Ham the Lakers when it's Kenny's
(27:00):
top assistant, Kenny Atkinson at Cleveland, and yesterday or two
days ago was named head coach of the Phoenix Suns.
And man to watch somebody like come from a video
coordinator at Michigan State GA to like becoming a head
coach in the NBA. So special. Uh. So I'm happy
(27:24):
at hell for Jordan, mat Hbo, Brian Gregor, all Spartan's,
Paul Rivers Spartan, happy as hell for them. So congratulations Jordan.
Shout out to Jordan. I think Phoenia's got a great one.
Shout out to George's wife, Jordan. They are the best
known no since sixteen years old. And uh to see
(27:48):
him become a head coach in this league and just
grind his way up, it's absolutely incredible. And I know
Phoenix got a great one. When you're talking x's and
oh is one of the best of the business. Not
a guy who's fraidy to hear his own voice. Absolutely
incredible to see. So I'm happy as hell for Jordan.
I and like I said, shout out to him, Shout
(28:10):
out the Mats, Shout out to the Phoenix Suns. There
locking in a great coach that I think he'll be
there for the next twenty years if we want to
be Speaking of trainers, uh, Bron discuss is how the
next generation are relying more on basketball trainers instead of
just playing the game. I heard what Bron said. I
(28:32):
know he said, like yo, I just wouldn't to hoop,
and I agree with that, Like growing up, I actually
didn't know. I didn't learn how to do a proper
individual workouts. I got to college. It's growing up like
I'm going to hoop, Like where is the nearest run
dropped me off? I'll play all day Like that's what
we did. We hooped all day. So I think there's
(28:54):
a huge benefit to that because you just learned to
see the game, like you learn to see the game.
I talked to on Kimra the other night about my son
and just like watching him play and like how he
knew how to play it. He like some of the
stuff I know he pick up on naturally just because
he's always around basketball. He watched it and so you
imagine growing up like you did, like we did. You
(29:16):
playing basketball all day, the nuances and things you figure
out about the game. It's different when somebody just putting
you in a position to tell you to do this move,
Like how do you use your creativity? How do you
learn like, oh man, I can do this if somebody
just say do this? How do you know what you're about?
How do you know what your game is if you
never tap into it and just figure it out? And
(29:38):
so I understand, like I think you know there's a
time and place for a trainer, and I think you
know with where the game is gone, like you need
those resourcing or to be successful. I feel like basketball
used to be a poor man's game, like we all
played it. Poor kids played it. We were poor, we
had nothing, and it was our way out. Basketball is
not a poor kids game no more. Basketball is a
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rich kid game. Like the days of seeing Lebron James
from acting Ohio from a single mom, those days are
are our number, like they're not because if you don't
have the resources these days, like you can't make it,
Like it's become a rich kids game and basketball didn't
used to be that. And so I think all of
that goes into like what the trainers and stuff like.
(30:22):
But that's I also feel like that's why I you
don't see as great as basketball as you did before,
because there's no imaginations. Everybody's doing the same thing, playing
the same way. And I think a lot of that
is due sometimes too having trainers. Not that having a
trainer is a bad thing, but again, if you never
(30:42):
get to use your imagination, then you just become a
carbon copy of somebody else the trainer created. And so
I agree with Broun to a certain extent. I think,
you know, you do got to get out there and play,
and you got to get out there and just figure
it out. Because when you get out there on that court,
ain't nobody to put you in a position. You got
(31:03):
to put yourself in a position. Ain't nobody there to
place shoot. You got to get there. So I think
there needs to be a healthy balance, and I don't
think that balance is near being found. I did not
watch the Land Stevenson Michael Beasley one on one. This
is a fan questions by the way, I did not
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watch it. I didn't know what time it came on
number one, but I did see like the back and
forth before and after and saw some of the highlights
that look very entertaining. One thing is for certain. We
all know Michael Beasy is one of the best guys
to ever rippled basketball and like shoot the ball and
put the ball in the hoop. Michael Beasley is one
of the best has ever done. I don't think you
(31:44):
won't get many basketball players to distribute with that. And
so I heard it was super entertained. I think it
was dope. I saw some people say it should be
at All Star Game. I think Kingdom the Hill would
be fun, but it becomes a dunk contest. A lot
of people don't want to get embarrassed, So how many
people really do it? I don't know. We'll see before
(32:06):
we get out of here. Who wins Game three? You
got Indiana going home. I'm taking Indiana Game three. I'm
gonna take an Indiana Game three, Kyle, crowd gonna be lectured.
They haven't played well, so they gotta have a good
game coming at some point. They ain't just gonna keep
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playing bad, and I'm gonna think I think they saved
it for Game three, first one at home, So I'm
gonna take Indiana Game three. We shall see how it
turns out. But however it turned out, me and b
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That's a wrapper. This episode of The Draymond Green Show
with BD but he not here today jews the volume
The volume. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to The Draymond
Green Show with Baron Davis. I'm all solo tonight. BD
will be back Wednesday live after Game three. Uh, just
(00:23):
jumping right in. Obviously it's NBA Finals, tun that is
the most important thing, although it's not feeling like the
most important thing. There's this whole debacle with the court
and liked it. So I'm gonna rewind a little bit.
Somewhere along the archives you can see me talking about
like the NBA course and how like it was so
(00:44):
dope when at the center of the court was the logo,
but the big Larry O'Brien trophy, like that was so dope,
it was fire. What happened to that? And like sure
enough we had went to like the side saying the
finals or trophy somewhere, and like what happened to that?
You know? And so we come into this year where
(01:05):
by all intensive purposes, everybody's kind of been writing off
this NBA Finals, you know, and in large part because
it's like a two new cast of characters. Okay, see
in Indiana. But when I said also newcast of characters,
it's not bron it's not Steph. You know, it's not
like Jason Tatum or you know guys who you've seen
(01:26):
in it over and over and over and again. It's
not that it's different. It's young. It's young gossip. So
I feel like a lot of people have been writing this.
This spinals off and so with that going on, the
last thing I would expect it is like no trophy
be on the court. Like I'm a fan of the
trophy being at center court, big as hell, and like,
(01:47):
there's no trophy on the court, and you know, I
saw everybody going crazy about the flag waving, flag is waving,
and then the trophy appears on the court. I saw
some funny memes on Instagram. One of them there they
gave us the here n word here trophy. I said,
(02:13):
oh my god, here, get out here, get out here.
Here you go, like the internet is undefeated. But you know,
I was really shocked by that, and so, you know,
and saying that getting back to the game game two,
we have a one to one NBA Finals, Okay, see
(02:36):
even that out winning the game one twenty three to
one oh seven, kind of getting back to their dominant
way as although it's crazy, man, I don't know what
to make of this series. You know, you watch this
series and it's crazy because okay, see that's two times
now where you see them building up that big leading
(02:57):
you think they're about to like and it just kind
of floats around twenty nineteen, seventeen, eleven, twenty two seventeen,
like it's kind of flowing. You ain't necessarily seeing them
put them away how they've put teams away. And to me,
that's interesting because you always know, like with Indiana, what
(03:18):
they've shown is that they're always in striking distance. You
get them a puncher chance, they taking the chance, and
so they've shown that and so this series is just
a little weird to me. I think when I watched
this series, when I'm taking away after a couple of games,
is like, who are the most important players in this suities?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Like who?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
When you watch this series, Who's like, oh man, this
guy has to play well in order for this team
it went Obviously Holly has to play well. No, Holly
had I think twelve points in the fourth quarter end
up finishing with seventeen. But I must tell you the
hot and I said it last time, Holly, that I
(04:00):
thought the helly that I thought would come out. It
wasn't that guy right, Like I think he came out
like like you gotta understand, See, this is where experience.
You always hear people talk about experience in these moments,
this is where the experience take over. Because I said,
after the last game, I was like, Yo, howly gonna
(04:21):
come out? He gonna come out firing him have two
bad games in a row, And to me, it didn't
feel like he came out forcing the issue and not
having the bad game. Like because when you when you're
the guy and you in this situation, it's so For instance,
they pulled out game one surprisingly shockingly, shouldn't have, couldn't have,
wouldn't have, whatever you may feel, they pulled out game one,
(04:45):
putting them in the driver's seat. And guess what the
reality is, they still in the driver's seat. They won
one going back home, but if that put them really
in the driver's sea, Like, there's no better feeling than
the NBA Finals or the any playoff series. You pull
into town and you win game one and you free
rolling for game two, there's no better feeling that having
(05:06):
a free roll, free swing. You gotta free swing in
game two. There's no better feeling But when I say
the experience come, then I saw Holly complain for a
foul call like try to flop early in the game,
and I said to my boys, I said, he should
understand they up one oh, you gotta run through everybody
(05:28):
chest up one off to get to wear like you
ain't getting a flop call. You ain't like when you
up one oh. In that situation, you gotta like, you
gotta do all that you can to take game two,
and you gotta show everybody that you mean business. Then
you have to and even when you show them that
you mean business, you still gotta go take game two
(05:50):
and no call, no whistles going your way. That's just
human nature. That is just not happening. And so when
I saw that early on, I was like, ah, I
literally said to my boys, he gotta he better understand what.
And so that's where I say they experience takes so
because when you the guy in that situation, you gotta
(06:10):
come out going for broke because you have to play incredible.
You got the guys that's across from you pissed off.
These guys even pissed off that they just felt like
they gave one away their first ever NBA Finals experience,
they feel like they gave the game away. Not only
are they pissed off that they feel like they gave
him away, but naturally they're down oh one, Like you
(06:32):
gotta come out pissed off. You cannot go down two,
and so you're up against that. And I just didn't
think he came out with the oppressiveness that it would
have required him to win, Like in order to go
take that game too, he gotta come out so aggressive
to where his guys on his sidelight, Hey, that's what
we own, Like it's almost like and they see it
(06:54):
and like all right, like, well, I can't leave him
out there, so I gotta do X, Y and Z.
And I just didn't think I saw that. Saying it's
the first time all playoffs, I'll say I ain't saw that.
We've seen them win game one after game went, after
game won, and game two they came out fire like,
So it's the first time I'll say that I can
(07:15):
recall them like not like coming out swinging, and so
I'll give them that, But I think that's just something
that you have to understand and experience can't change that,
you know, So you got okay, see with five players
with fifteen plus first time in the NBA Finals. Since
we won't talk about the NBA Finals. Who the fuck
cares about the NBA finals? You want to know when
(07:37):
that NBA Finals was, You're gonna look at yourself. We
want to talk about that NBA Finals And moving on,
you know, I told y'all I get these rundowns like
just to help me stay on topic, you know, on
there so I know what topics I want to hit.
Boom boom boom, And then I rolled and we got
Charles over here. But it's the first time since to
(08:01):
Fineos versus you know, whatever stole my whole or off
man anyway, just stole my whole, you know what. Moving on,
SG ain't had thirty four points, eight assist fort steels
(08:21):
in game two. Wow, you know they have five players.
I'm so thrown off right now, Like y'all don't understand
this is the guy I want. This is like the
fourth time he's done it where he like throw a
little job like And by the way, y'all should know,
this wasn't all my rundown. When I first looked through
my rundown and wasn't on there. Then you look back
(08:42):
and their parentzes. It's their first time since twenty nineteen
NBA Final about the Raptors, Like, that's a very soft
spot for me if anyone can guess why. And I'm
not over you never get over these things. But anyway,
Shaye past Ai for the most points in the first
(09:04):
career two career finals games. Ai has seventy one. Shay
has seventy two. The significance of that. Shout out to Ai,
Happy birthday to the OG. Happy fiftieth birthday. Ai turned
at fifty. It's crazy like Ai is our childhood and
(09:24):
he turned it fifty. Shout out to the Og, Bubba
Chuck Man, We love you Ai. Nothing can change that.
You are a god forever. We appreciate you much. Love
to Ai. Happy birthday, to the go to the legend,
nothing but love for Ai. I forgot where I was
going with my whole thing because that thing threw me
(09:46):
all the way off. But we're going to move on.
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back to OKAC having five players with over fifteen points,
(12:37):
it makes it interesting for me because when you look
at OKC, who are the most important players on that team?
And for me, I feel like I struggle with that,
Like I don't think there's any question that jadb is
the second most important player, the second best player, however
you want to script it, it's Jade. I don't think
(12:59):
any of us have any doubt on that. But I
think where it gets interesting for me is when I
watch these things, I try to think about these things
in terms of like if I was playing against them,
Like what are you prioritizing right, Because when you go
in these series, it's an NBA team, it's the best
NBA teams, and a lot of times in these series
(13:24):
you have to pick like I'm willing to let that
thing beat me because in the NBA, like it's hard
to stop everything, Like you got so much talent, you
got so many IQs and basketball smarts amongst these coaches
tasks that that's just how I think about it, like
what what would I be willing to look at and say,
(13:46):
all right, that's the thing that's going to be me. Well,
in turn, that requires you to put into context like
who's the most important people? You know, like who's the
And when I look at it, when I take a
start back and look at this, I always feel like
it's hard, Like who's the most important person? Right, Like
in theory you want to say it's check Like in
(14:09):
theory it looks like it's supposed to be chatted. But
like when I take a step back, I look at
this team, ain't chet was out this year a large
bulk of this year, and they were just fine. Even
hardstyle was out for quite a bit. In that team
roll like I think they had like j Dubb at
the five or Lou at the five and they still
continue to roll. Then they played Kenrick Williams at some
(14:31):
five like they just figured it out and continued the row.
And so it brings you to the point of who's
like the third most important player on the team, and
also who's the third most important player on the team
may not be the third most important player in this series,
And that's where it gets triggered when you start talking
about third most important players, third option, because like one
(14:52):
and two is usually always one to two, that's what
it is, and then the regular season and third it's
usually third like it's but when you get to the playoffs,
thar can be taken out of a series and five
or six can become more important than three. And I
feel like when I look at this OKC team, I
(15:13):
actually think the third most important player is Alex Caruso.
And I find it very interesting because hey, come off
the bench. I think that's always interesting in himself, like
he's coming off the bench, he's the third most important player.
Sometimes you run into that in the regular season lou Will,
(15:34):
for instance, right like you got a coach that's agreeing, like, yo,
we want you to get this six man award, like,
but then when he get into the playoffs, he usually
go out the window. And I think Caruso is so
important to what they do, and I feel like you
never gain plan for him. It's so because you don't
gain plan for him. He coming to these finals and
(15:55):
he go crazy, But the reality is he's a champion,
so he actually knows what the expected. If I'm a
betting man, and not even a betting man. But if
I am, if I'm a coach, if I'm an opposing coach,
I'm saying, man, I know this guy, but see, And
that's where I think playing makes the difference. It's like
because you understand a little more, and I'd be like,
(16:17):
Caruso's been in this moment, He's shown us over and
over again, he can deliver in this moment. I think
I'm gonna make the guy. I'm going to make him
so important to our game plan. I'm going to make
less of it importance in our game plan to the
guy who hasn't done it, can't do that the shade, Yeah,
he hasn't been there, but come on, which Jay duve
(16:38):
you try to if you want to. We once tried
to legend Lebron shoot threes in the game. We lost
by sixty. It's fine. It was just a throw something
out there and cast it out there. See where it
didn't work. So don't go for number two, But for
number three. I actually think Caruso is more important, especially
(16:58):
for this series, and so place that bet on the
guy that hasn't done it. And Chet hasn't done it.
I know Caruso can beat me. He's shown me he
can beat me on several different points back then when
he won a championship be showing a drinking beach. And
so I'm just not sure that that would be the
(17:19):
bet that I'd be making. And I think that's where
it gets interesting, Like I think Indiana Styve gonna have
to take a deep dive, but like importance, like who
hurts us more?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Because jay Dove had a pretty average, not great, but decent,
like decently productive game one and they should have won
a game, like they blew the game.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
But they should have won the game. But Chet was bad,
like Chet did not have a good game, and you
fast forward, jay Dove played better than I. Also Chet
played better than I. Also everybody played better than I.
But I'm just not sure that, especially in this series,
that if I'm not the opposed coach in Indiana, I'm
(18:10):
not making the bet that our game plan needs to
be focused on these three guys. What we can do
to take these three guys out of it, and what
can I do to take Alice Caruso completely out the game?
And how can I scheme against Alice Caruso to possibly
take him completely out the game because he's so important
(18:30):
to everything they do, Like defensively, he's so important to
everything they do. Offensively, he give you another guy that
can handle the ball, that's smart to make decisions, that's
going to shoot the right shots, and I take the
wrong shots. So if you can put him in a
situation where you can figure out how to make him uncomfortable,
how to make him how to make the coach second
guest planner, because he's clearly not all the way bought
(18:53):
in on him. He's we'd be starting them, like you
understand the importance of that. So how can I put
him in a position where he have to think me
and Mark diagno how you think, and he may go
the wrong way. I think that's what the indre the
Pacers has to be figuring out, Like this has to
be a matchup game for them, Like they got to
get so diabolical down to each matchup, each person on
(19:15):
the floor. How can we exploit any weakness that Okay
he has because obviously okayse he's the better team, but
they don't have the experience. And because they don't have
the experience, you have to exploit those things while they
don't have the experience and that's where this series gets
(19:36):
really interested for me, is can Rick Carlile and his
staff exploit Okay sees you exploiting their youth means a
multitude of things, but simply put put in them in
situations that they have not seen, that they can be
(19:56):
uncomfortable in, and that it's going to take a little
while to figure out because you already stole one game.
So all of a sudden you get to a certain
point in the NBA Finals where you still wink get another,
you put doubt anything you need to creep in for
you to win this series is what has to happen.
So it'll be interesting to see if they make some
(20:18):
of those adjustments to make them more uncomfortable, because ultimately,
right now, I think even with OKC losing Game one,
they were comfortable, like they felt like they should have won.
They came out, they played hard, they got it done,
and that's that. So what can you do to make
this group uncomfortable? As I think, what and obviously that's
(20:40):
everybody's like thought, right, but like them more so than other, Like,
how do you make them uncomfortable to where you can
play at their news? Because the only way you can
play at their youth is to make them uncomfortable and
then play at it. Right now, if you just lead
them comfortable as irrelevant, If you can make them uncomfortable
and then pull their youth streets, I think that's how
(21:01):
you ultimately gotta beat this scene. And I think that's
what Indiana has to do. But going back, you know
to Holle, like I said, Holly, gotta be gotta be
more aggressive and you gotta come out swinging because the
guy's gonna follow you. That's just what it boils down to.
So well, see, okay, See's bench was a was great.
(21:22):
You had Carusso twenty off the bench. You had Aaron
Wiggins with eighteen threes eighteen points five threes off the bench.
And now the show goes on the road and it
gets more interesting. You know why because role players play
better at home and now on the road, and all
the role players stepping up is what one for OKC today.
(21:44):
But I can see what Indiana's theory is. We're gonna
try to take everyone else out, make it tough on
everyone else, and make sure beat us one on one.
Problem in Shaye had thirty four and eight and everybody
else got off. So if that's going to be the thing.
You guys actually stop everybody else, and they did not
(22:05):
do that tonight. So you know, I think if I'm Indiana,
I think you gotta throw more zone. Okay, see packed
to paint a little more. Sometimes you gotta dare them
to shoot. But I think what just like with any
NBA team, like especially at this level, you gotta switch
(22:25):
it up, like sometimes you gotta be Darren in the shoot,
sometimes you gotta be flying at the close, and like
you just got to keep these guys off Damans once again,
playing at that youth, I think if you can do that,
that's ultimately what wins you the game. I saw something
that Mark Diagno said that after the game. He said,
Indiana's an acquired taste. We haven't played them a lot.
(22:47):
They play a distinct style on both ends. I just
thought the guys did a good job of just improving,
which is important going from game one and game two.
I see what he's getting at, Like they're a little
they're a little unconventional for sure. Uh, winning balls down
to it. You gotta go out there and beat me
and tonight, okay, so you just did that. So I
(23:08):
think this series is interesting. Okay, see, could very much
so go win the next two games. Indiana, as we know,
could very much so go on and win these next
two games. And I think it's going to be like ultimately,
Rick Kyle ale Hast to undoubtedly out coach Mark Dana
in order for the Spacers to win this series. I
(23:29):
think Rich Carlos is a great coach. I think he's
capable of I'll coaching someone, so we'll see if you
do it.
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Speaker 1 (24:02):
We're gonna move around this league a little bit before
we get out of here. What is your reaction to
wenby the Monk. I saw a meme that said, Wendy
went bald already is over for the league now. Much
respect to anybody who's following their religion, who's following their beliefs,
(24:23):
whatever it is that they believe. Much respect to anybody.
I didn't know he's a little surprised by the photo out,
but I guess in twenty twenty five. He can't be
surprised by any photo oup but yeah, when I saw
the first thing I thought was like, is he in
San Antonio? Like, I hope he's doing well. Obviously we
remember he left with a blood cut, so I've been
(24:44):
keeping my fingers crossing, sending up my prayers to the
Big Man, just for everybody to be healthy. So I
hope that means he's healthy. Moving forward to my gud
Spartan Dall Michigan stated alone, he went to grass School
at Michigan State. He's a Penn State undergrad. It's my
guy actually trained me for the NBA Drift. So a
(25:07):
little quick story for y'all. I signed with Ron Shade
coming out of college. Ron Shade is my age of Ron.
That's my brother. Still to this day, Ron is with
Octagon Sports now, but Ron is my brother, that's my guy.
And I signed with Ron coming out of college. And
I went to Chicago where Ron lived for like three
(25:29):
or four days, and I was training and it wasn't
that the trainer wasn't great, because I actually thought the
training was great. Like when I go to Chicago, I
still train with him like he's incredible. His name's Basil Besis,
incredible trainer. But I trained her for a few days
and I told him, like, Yo, I'm gonna go back
to Michigan State. And the reason I went back was
more so it wasn't about the trainer or anything. It
(25:51):
was about I felt like I had grinded and became
who I became at Michigan State. So literally my first
three summers in the NBA, every I went back to
Michigan State because I felt like that was the place
where I go and when I go there, I lock
in like no other I grind, I get to it
like and so that's where I felt comfortable, like going
through my pre drift ground that so I went back
(26:14):
there and who trained me for the drift, literally trained
me for my pre drift workout was Jordan I. Jordan
was a video guy video coordinator at Michigan State. UH
he had been in GA before then he left and
took the video job at Penn State, came back and
took it at Michigan State and trained me for the
(26:35):
NBA Draft. Jordan I becomes the head coach of the
Phoenix Sons. Shout out to j I. Jay I came
into the NBA with the Hawks, worked under Bud super
tight with Kenny, went to Brooklyn with Kenny, worked on
the staff with Darvar Ham the Lakers when it's Kenny's
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top assistant, Kenny Atkinson at Cleveland, and yesterday or two
days ago was named head coach of the Phoenix Suns.
And man to watch somebody like come from a video
coordinator at Michigan State GA to like becoming a head
coach in the NBA. So special. Uh. So I'm happy
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at hell for Jordan, mat Hbo, Brian Gregor, all Spartan's,
Paul Rivers Spartan, happy as hell for them. So congratulations Jordan.
Shout out to Jordan. I think Phoenia's got a great one.
Shout out to George's wife, Jordan. They are the best
known no since sixteen years old. And uh to see
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him become a head coach in this league and just
grind his way up, it's absolutely incredible. And I know
Phoenix got a great one. When you're talking x's and
oh is one of the best of the business. Not
a guy who's fraidy to hear his own voice. Absolutely
incredible to see. So I'm happy as hell for Jordan.
I and like I said, shout out to him, Shout
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out the Mats, Shout out to the Phoenix Suns. There
locking in a great coach that I think he'll be
there for the next twenty years if we want to
be Speaking of trainers, uh, Bron discuss is how the
next generation are relying more on basketball trainers instead of
just playing the game. I heard what Bron said. I
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know he said, like yo, I just wouldn't to hoop,
and I agree with that, Like growing up, I actually
didn't know. I didn't learn how to do a proper
individual workouts. I got to college. It's growing up like
I'm going to hoop, Like where is the nearest run
dropped me off? I'll play all day Like that's what
we did. We hooped all day. So I think there's
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a huge benefit to that because you just learned to
see the game, like you learn to see the game.
I talked to on Kimra the other night about my son
and just like watching him play and like how he
knew how to play it. He like some of the
stuff I know he pick up on naturally just because
he's always around basketball. He watched it and so you
imagine growing up like you did, like we did. You
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playing basketball all day, the nuances and things you figure
out about the game. It's different when somebody just putting
you in a position to tell you to do this move,
Like how do you use your creativity? How do you
learn like, oh man, I can do this if somebody
just say do this? How do you know what you're about?
How do you know what your game is if you
never tap into it and just figure it out? And
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so I understand, like I think you know there's a
time and place for a trainer, and I think you
know with where the game is gone, like you need
those resourcing or to be successful. I feel like basketball
used to be a poor man's game, like we all
played it. Poor kids played it. We were poor, we
had nothing, and it was our way out. Basketball is
not a poor kids game no more. Basketball is a
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rich kid game. Like the days of seeing Lebron James
from acting Ohio from a single mom, those days are
are our number, like they're not because if you don't
have the resources these days, like you can't make it,
Like it's become a rich kids game and basketball didn't
used to be that. And so I think all of
that goes into like what the trainers and stuff like.
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But that's I also feel like that's why I you
don't see as great as basketball as you did before,
because there's no imaginations. Everybody's doing the same thing, playing
the same way. And I think a lot of that
is due sometimes too having trainers. Not that having a
trainer is a bad thing, but again, if you never
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get to use your imagination, then you just become a
carbon copy of somebody else the trainer created. And so
I agree with Broun to a certain extent. I think,
you know, you do got to get out there and play,
and you got to get out there and just figure
it out. Because when you get out there on that court,
ain't nobody to put you in a position. You got
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to put yourself in a position. Ain't nobody there to
place shoot. You got to get there. So I think
there needs to be a healthy balance, and I don't
think that balance is near being found. I did not
watch the Land Stevenson Michael Beasley one on one. This
is a fan questions by the way, I did not
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watch it. I didn't know what time it came on
number one, but I did see like the back and
forth before and after and saw some of the highlights
that look very entertaining. One thing is for certain. We
all know Michael Beasy is one of the best guys
to ever rippled basketball and like shoot the ball and
put the ball in the hoop. Michael Beasley is one
of the best has ever done. I don't think you
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won't get many basketball players to distribute with that. And
so I heard it was super entertained. I think it
was dope. I saw some people say it should be
at All Star Game. I think Kingdom the Hill would
be fun, but it becomes a dunk contest. A lot
of people don't want to get embarrassed, So how many
people really do it? I don't know. We'll see before
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we get out of here. Who wins Game three? You
got Indiana going home. I'm taking Indiana Game three. I'm
gonna take an Indiana Game three, Kyle, crowd gonna be lectured.
They haven't played well, so they gotta have a good
game coming at some point. They ain't just gonna keep
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playing bad, and I'm gonna think I think they saved
it for Game three, first one at home, So I'm
gonna take Indiana Game three. We shall see how it
turns out. But however it turned out, me and b
D will be right here live after Game three. Check
us out to them in Don't miss Out until Next time.
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