Colin is joined by John Middlekauff,, host of “3 and Out”!
They begin by recapping Colin’s vacation to Europe and they discuss some of their favorite overseas trips (3:30)!
They pivot to Aaron Rodgers becoming “weird” late in his career (11:00) and that leading teams to pass on him, compare his relatively short “prime” to some other all-time great quarterbacks (14:30) and debate whether Matthew Stafford could surpass Rodgers on the list of all-time QBs if he plays 2-3 more good years of football (18:45)
They address the concerns coming out of Minnesota about quarterback JJ McCarthy and whether the Vikings could be in trouble at quarterback this season (28:00). They explain why they won’t be surprised if Daniel Jones beats out Anthony Richardson for the Colts starting job (32:00) and lay out their expectations for Sam Darnold in Seattle (35:00)
Colin predicts Shedeur Sanders will be starting for the Browns by week 8 (38:00) and they discuss why “rich” doesn’t fix everything in the NFL(43:00). Colin explains why Bill Belichick’s very young girlfriend isn’t something that bothers him (45:00).
Finally, they discuss what they like and dislike about the LIV golf tour (55:00), debate where Phil Mickelson ranks on the all-time list of golfers (59:15) and explain why Bryson DeChambeau has made one of the great pivots from “unlikeable” to “likeable” in sports! (1:04:00)
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I took ten days and I squeezed every damn inch
out of it. London for four, Copenhagen two, Watch Hill,
Rhode Island and golf for five, lobster rolls, a lot
of Tito's. That was a good ten day. Squeezed every
ounce of vacation. I could I feel pretty good?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
What was the best city? Well, what was the best uh?
And best meal?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
A best meal was Copenhagen, UH new and Dua and
you and Dua about six months old. Unbelievable, everything was.
I don't even know how to explain it. My son
and I just sat there and couldn't believe how good
it was beginning to end.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I think London's amazing, but I like the activity of it.
My mom's from there, and watch Hills where I spend
my summer. So UH got and now I got my
clubs in watch Hill in Chicago. So I'm starting to
take golf seriously for the first time in my life.
And I played like shit two days ago, but it
was still I hit just enough good shots to bring
me back.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You when you go to London, do you walk everywhere?
Or do you kind of everywhere?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
No? I lost four pounds on my vacation and went
out to eat every single night. We had one home
cooked meal on the grill, but nine nights I went
out to eat with my son or my wife or friends.
And that's usually a recipe to put on weight. But
you know, everything in Copenhagen is fish. That's a pork
(02:20):
and fish Mecca. So I strongly recommend. I don't know
how many days you have to be in Copenhaga. You know,
you ever been to a place that would be a
great place to live, Like Copenhagen would be amazing place
to live. It's not that flashy to visit it, it's
it's just easy and fun. But to live there, you
would bike everywhere. I told somebody on the staff today,
(02:43):
I would lose ten pounds. I'm one ninety one, ninety
one ninety two for the last, you know, twenty five years,
I would lose ten pounds and living in Copenhagen, I
would live off coffee, great coffee, coffee, seafood, and biking.
You bike everywhere. There's bike lanes everywhere, and it's just
like part of life. It's like a small Portland.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Did you feel the future NFL division over there? Like
it's going to really resonate with the people.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Everybody in Copenhagen is from Copenhagen. They do like America.
Mixed opinions on Trump, but they do like America. You know,
Americans are such I mean, the one thing you figure
out pretty quickly when you go to Europe. Americans go
to Europe, they pay a lot. They tip well. The
Swiss and the Americans and out of the Chinese have
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a lot of money. And you know European countries, you
know the the uber drivers and the hotel owners and
the fish market owners. They make a lot of money
off Americans. So every time I go over, I always asked, Hey,
what do you think about America? I'm not offended, And
you know it's you know, the people of every country
are amazing. Sometimes our politicians aren't. So I everywhere I go,
(03:50):
I feel like people are great, Food's amazing. If you have.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
You been to London before, I've been to Spain, I've
been to Italy, I've been the mister Damn, I never
went to London. I've never been. I've always wanted obviously,
Uh the UK in general, Ireland is an area I
love golf, would love to go. So those are things
that I need to check off the bucket list here.
But when I went to I mean Spain, you know,
Barcelona can be a little much. It's a lot, a
(04:17):
lot going on. Yeah, it's just it's a lot. Now
I was. I went when I was in my early twenties,
so it was fun, but I wouldn't need to go
back to that, but you know, you go to some
I actually went for studied abroad for like a month
when I was twenty one years old in San Sebasta.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's what my son just did in London, so I
went over and visited him. I hit a month class.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, it's just it's just an awesome exactly. I mean,
it's just it's an incredible time. It was pretty cheap
when I went. I can imagine I don't know what's
the EU Uh, what's the euro to a dollar ratio
right now? How's that ripping? Is that like one to one?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Not really, it's it's we get beat up a little
bit our dollars. Not particularly wrong. But you know, London's
not cheap. Copenhagen's more reasonable. I I I just love
going to Europe. And there's there's a period mid May
until the first week of June. The tourists aren't there yet,
so you can get every hotel. They don't jack the
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rates up. It's not too hot. I mean, I'm in Copenhagen.
It's sixty nine degrees. I'm with my son. We went
on a three and a half hour bike ride. Is unbelievable,
Like we just t shirts on. It was just unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
When you're back in Rhode Island in the summer, does
it get like like Philly or New York that humidity.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's funny you asked that. So yesterday was a little sticky.
So what happens in the summer in Rhode Island and
a lot of the Northeast is you'll get you start
with a perfect day, then the next day it's really
nice with a little humidity. Then the next day it's
really humid, then a lightning storm washes it out. It's
in great night, and then you go back to perfect,
(05:57):
really really good, really sticky thunderstorm. It's a three or
a four day cycle. So yesterday it was a little warm,
it was like seventy two degrees, but a little sticky.
But you know what I do, man, I I put
on a hat, a little SPF fifty, and I go
for a walk and get a good sweat. So I
don't I don't mind it. I'm not anti Like Southern
humidity is different than Northeast humidity. Like Rhode Island, you're
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you're by a beach, you're getting a cold, you know,
Atlantic breeze. It doesn't bother me much. I freaking love
Rhode Island. Maybe it's where we live, but I fly
out of the Providence Airport all the time. I love it.
It's if you told me I retired with a condo
in Chicago and on the beach for four or five
months in the summer in Rhode Island, go to Europe
(06:39):
for a couple of weeks. That's a good living.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Well, how much easier is the travel now for you
come of Rhode Island Chicago, so shorter flight than coming
all the way across.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The good it's the only you know, it's funny. It's
people know I've moved my operation to Chicago. Yeah, and
a big part of it was my wife and I
spending a lot of time in Rhode Island in the
summer because we bought an old home. We fixed it
up and we have really good friends there, and it's
close to an airport. And it's also you know, we
go to we try to go to London, or we
tried to go to Europe once or twice a year.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So it's just easy.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You forget how far La is from everything when you
live in La, like it's the center of your universe,
but I don't. My wife's not a big fan of Hawaii.
She's groat to go to the Caribbean. So when you're
in Los Angeles, you're a long way from Boston, New York, Europe, Miami, like,
you're a long way from stuff. I never thought about
it because when you're in La, there's no reason to
do it. You know, you go to Mexico, La Scottsdale.
(07:31):
You got your good weather. But you know, part of
the Chicago move was just access to other places in
the world and other places in the country. That's easier.
So yeah, and I don't mind taking the train. I
took the train home today. It's twenty nine minutes. It's quick,
it's fast. Head down podcast, it's great.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I think guys on a headline, you know, I remember
you telling me last year when you were talking about
your place. Your neighbor, a lady that goes by Taylor Swift,
she just moved. She sell that place.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
She I think.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I think I saw that she was selling that place,
but I could I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I never saw her. I saw Mahomes and Travis Kelsey
were there. I would see occasional celebrities. I never saw her.
You know how much time would she spend there that
eras to her maybe five days of summer. So I
just I just didn't see her ever. Speaking of social lives,
Aaron Rodgers got married. I saw he had a wedding
(08:25):
ring on and I was talking about this on FS
one today. In the last year, I've had a couple
of buddies who are gms in the league. And one
of the lines I've I've used in my business for
a long time is weird doesn't work. You can be
you can have an ego, you can even be a
(08:47):
little temperamental, you can make mistakes, but if you're weird,
eventually companies will move on from you. And I had
a general manager tell me I was out with him
about six months ago and he said, Aaron just got weird.
And he said, and there's a story that McVeigh passed
on him, Kevin O'Connell passed on him. He was the
(09:08):
Steeters third choice. And it's I was writing down a
list today of the quarterbacks I would take over Aaron
in the league, and there were sixteen of them, including
like bo Nicks. I'm not paying Bonnicks anything. He's more
coachable he's more athletic. He throws a fine ball. I
think Aaron's just gotten to a point where I think
Pittsburgh's about the only offer he had, and reportedly, according
(09:28):
to Schefter, he was their third choice.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, I mean, I do think it's pretty bizarre that
he signs this contract. He's supported in the wedding ring.
I mean, this is these quarterbacks. You know, who they're
married to is kind I mean they're pretty big stars, right,
They're like actors, NBA stars. Josh Allen gets married. We
all know it's not all these guys even married famous
people like Josh Allen or Tom Brady. They're married to
(09:53):
other famous people. Patrick Mahomes married to his high school sweetheart.
Peyton Manning is married to a girl I think he
dated in college. Who cares this whole thing of like
I got things going on in my personal life, which
I assumed it was negative stuff. Turns out maybe he
was just getting married and wanted to push this off.
It's just kind of the I've always been pro Aaron
Rodgers as a player because I thought he was incredible,
(10:14):
you know, I thought, in the peak of his powers,
he's one of the best athletes in terms of their
sport I've ever seen in my entire life, which is
weird because when you look at the totality of his career,
it almost feels underwhelming for how good he was. You know,
I think he let down in the playoffs. I mean
they lost a couple of years ago to at Home
to Jimmy Garoppolo and the forty nine ers offense. I
think they scored thirteen points. That can't happen. But I
(10:36):
think this whole because we knew he was going to
go to Pittsburgh, it was just when he was going
to sign. But that picture of him with the wedding
ring is just a little bizarre. I mean, there's really
no way around, right, And you've been on this forever.
Listen as someone that got I got married for the
first time at forty years old. Now there is a
and a lot of my friends and my brother got
married in their late twenties early thirties. Your life is
(10:58):
dramatically different, you know. I mean, obviously then you have kids,
it is a completely different lifestyle. And he's just kind
of been in this weird spot. Obviously, also as a player,
he's no longer the same. His mobility has got this
He's just not a dominant player anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
You can argue Tom Brady had a twenty year prime,
a twenty year prime now, even though he was really
good past forty I don't really consider it. Maybe forty
one and then the prime ended, but he was still
threw a great ball at forty.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I'd get I'd give him for that first that first
year and a half in Tampa, I think he was
pretty damn good.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
People forget this. Aaron's last year in green Bay, they
played in They played an average Lions team at home
and lost, and it was Aaron. I think it was
Aaron's last was his last game as a Packer.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And he got outplayed by golf in that gamelayed Aaron.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So that year, if you go back statistically, Aaron was
a B plus quarterback. He didn't play his first three
years in the league, right he sat in the bench.
His fourth year he started, he went six and ten.
I can argue Aaron had less than a ten year prime.
I mean, because he hasn't done anything in four years.
He didn't do anything the first four years, So I
(12:17):
mean Aaron's prime was about half of Brady's.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I'd give I'd give him two thousand and nine to
about twenty one twenty two. I mean he won the
MVP in twenty one, twenty and twenty one. Yeah, about
about ten eleven years, Max.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Think about that. Brady's at twenty and I so if
you really look at Peyton Manning's probably about fourteen usually,
you know, I mean Mahomes maybe one of those seventeen
to eighteen years Aaron just and I think a lot
of it was just Aaron. I don't think he was
as committed in the offseason. I think he wasn't you know.
(12:52):
I thought he was really good the year he went
six and ten, but I didn't think he was I
just thought he was talented. He wasn't a winning quarterback.
Think a lot of that is just I've always been
one of these people. I'm not impressed by people that
get jobs. I'm impressed by people that keep them. Like
I think there is a real skill to being Lebron
James or Tom Brady or Derek Jeter, and it's a
(13:14):
commitment on nutrition, what you eat, sleep, And I think
that's a skill. I think discipline's a skill. Maybe people don't.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe mental health professionals would argue that
disciplines is you know, it's it's not a skill.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Anyone who says that not is a moron. From the
Navy Seals to our athletes, to our CEOs, what are they?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And I just look at Aaron's prime. It's half of Brady.
And you can say what you want, but that last
year in Green Bay, he was a B quarterback and
he's gone downhill since. I mean, he's just a pocket
guy now. And he's not even like an elite pocket guy.
He's just a pocket guy.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Well, I think when you look at his contemporaries or
definitely his peers over his career, because he came in
a lot later than Peyton and definitely, you know, definitely
Peyton and Tom, he was way more physically gifted than
those guys. Those guys couldn't run Tom and Peyton couldn't
run at all. I would say Drew Brees definitely wasn't
a mobile quarterback, and he just had more skills. I mean,
(14:15):
I would say Peyton and Drew Brees are known as
best average arms, right. They hung their hat on accuracy.
Tom had the best arm of that trio. But those
guys worked like they could get cut next year. I
mean everyone you ever talked to that was around those guys.
They were discussed like they were Michael Jordan or Kobe
Bryan or Tiger Woods. Their addiction to their craft and
how much it meant to them. I do think Aaron
(14:38):
really benefited a lot. I mean, Tom Brady goes to
the Patriots, who sucked right him and Bill turned that
thing around. Peyton went to the Colts who had the
number one overall pick, and Drew Brees and Sean Payton
showed up to the Saints that were known as the Aince.
This guy went to the Green Bay Packers, who were
a model franchise for fifteen plus years before he got there.
(14:59):
And I always think that, like listen him and Davante. Sometimes,
you know, you kind of make up your own problems
in your head when life's going a little too good.
And it felt like those two guys, I mean, they
have to look back after the couple bumpy years of going,
we actually had it pretty good. You know, it can
be a little boring in this town, but we had
a lot of success here For a reason.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I'm looking up Aaron Drew Brees's career from the first
five years with the Chargers and then you know that
fifteen year run or whatever it was with the Saints.
If I go back to Drew Brees, a smaller athlete,
you can say his first great year was two thousand
and four with the Chargers. So let me count these
years one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
(15:42):
fifty sixteen. I would say Breese had either sixteen or
seventeen elite years. I mean, and I think Brady's twenty plus.
So and again this isn't bash Aaron. It's just when
you go and I've said this, I said this before
to you, if Stafford won another Super Bowl, Stafford was
(16:03):
better in college. He was better early, he was much
better later. If Stafford plays three more years and endor McVeigh,
they would be good. They have, I mean, they've got
their ship rolling. If he gets one more Super Bowl,
you're gonna look at Matt Stafford, and you're gonna look
at Aaron Rodgers, and you're gonna have to have a
real hard conversation because that means Stafford's playoff record is
(16:27):
gonna be significantly better than Aaron Rodgers, which is basically
five hundred People think I'm crazy when I say this,
Stafford has more to gain legacy than any player in
the league over the next three years.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I will say this about Rogers when it came to Stafford,
he was one of his biggest proponents over the years.
You know, when he was middling away in Detroit, He's like,
you guys don't realize and obviously the football people held
him in high regard. Kind of got screwed that he
got drafted to this franchise that. I mean, they're gonna
be kids right now in Detroit that have no clue
how big of a joke that franchise used to be.
(17:04):
I will say I think Rogers kind of morphed a
little more into like an NBA player, right, or like
receivers off then act than these quarterbacks. I mean, even
Tom for a long period of time just kind of
shut his mouth, kept his head down dealing with Bill.
I mean, Peyton, would he have ever gone to Denver
if they hadn't cut him in Indy and he had
no other neck injury, he just would have played it
out forever in Indianapolis. So yeah, I just think Aaron,
(17:27):
and part of it might be the the nature of
that franchise, you know, You've talked about this a lot
of people have over the years. There's no owner to
really get involved and kind of calm everyone down. Yes,
even just the basic of like hey, you want to
take my jet with your new wife or your buddies
to wherever you want, just the you know, the Eddie
de Barbelo, Jerry Jones, the robber craft like kind of
(17:49):
taking care of you. That there's no that guy doesn't
really exist. So I honestly think that those guys and
if I was a Packer fan, We'll see how the
Jordan Love stuff plays out. But it's like, God, why
did these guys make such a big stink? We could
have kept it rolling for a couple of years. We
have a really good coach. It's like, remember when he
was having at odds with Gudakins. It's like, what are
(18:09):
you actually mad about with him? Like what did he do?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
What are we talking about? And let's face it, his
ego was really really hurt with the Jordan Love draft.
Pick well, looking back, and there have been a lot
of articles, so was Tom and what did Tom do?
Went out and said I'm going to dominate and win
Super Bowls and you're gonna have to get rid of
that guy, not me. Aaron kind of took the different
tactic like screw you guys, get rid of me, and
obviously age. Let's face it, and the history of sports,
(18:35):
isn't Aaron's career parallel the most guys we've ever watched.
Once you get to your late thirties, you had an injury,
popped achilles, and you're just never quite the same. And
then usually you go to these weird franchises or in
his you know, this scenario kind of a desperate one.
I think they have a lot of guys from Cam
Hayward to TJ. Tamika that are like serious cats. This
(18:57):
has got to be like, wait, we had to wait
for you. It's not like you're the greatest things in
sliced bread here, buddy.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not this. I think
this year he'll win the in a nine games, He'll
have twenty three touchdowns, ten picks. He'll be fine. I
miss a game or two, it'll but it is interesting
when you look back, I think Aaron views himself has
picked on or marginalized by the media. And when you
just start looking at Peyton's career and Ben's career and
Breeze's career, and Brady's career, and Elway and Marino. You
(19:25):
just start looking at some of these careers. Aaron's prime
was just not as long, and some of that's he
sat behind far. But I thought he aged really quickly
and you can speculate why he did, but he did.
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so I want to throw this out. The JJ McCarthy
stuff's kind of fascinating to me because he was the
one guy in this quarterback class two years ago.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I didn't like.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I just didn't see it. I thought he was a
bit small. I thought he was athletic enough. I'm as
very very cautious when people says a winner, what the
f does that mean, doesn't mean anything. Danny Wirfel was
a winner. Every Florida coach, every Florida quarterback, he vo, Yeah,
under Spurrier was a winner. Johnny Manziel was a winner.
It doesn't mean anything. I always believe that if you
(22:20):
look at most NFL quarterbacks, they had, even Brock Purdy,
who I don't love. They had to carry their college offense,
Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning. You know
they're not playing with five star guys. That's why Ohio State,
you think, would have ten great NFL quarterbacks. C J.
Strouds their first really good one. USC's had very few
(22:40):
great NFL quarterbacks. Alabama hasn't, LSU hasn't. Burrow obviously is
but he was a transfer. But JJ McCarthy his last
two years he threw them ball over thirty times one time,
he never trailed. He had a great run game. And
so I look at him, and Ross Tucker came out
with a story, and I think Ross is a very
(23:00):
credible guy. I don't know him, but very credible guy.
He said, listen, there's concerns they wanted to resign Donald
and I heard the same thing. But because of my
relationship with Darnald. I wondered if people were telling me
that my source was telling me that because they knew
I loved Donald, but they had said they actually they
actually want Sam and I couldn't believe it. I'm like, no,
you got you drafted JJ McCarthy. He has to play.
(23:24):
If Ross Tucker says there's concerns, I believe that, do you?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah? I mean I think that going back to that
Detroit game when he was really skinny on the sideline,
you know, at the end of the season, after meeting
multiple injuries. And I also think it gets back to
the way in which he played. Was not a guy
that had to carry his offense in college. He handed
the ball off and they played defense. And they had
thirty NFL guys over a two year span, right, I mean,
(23:52):
look at Stetson. Bennett was on a team that you know,
any decent quarterback could have navigated. And I think the
concerning part is you have to massage this if you're
the team. So it's like, Okay, Darnold gets fifty five
plus million guaranteed from Seattle, It's like, you can't. They
were like, we're not going to give him that I
think they wanted to keep Daniel Jones. Remember they made
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a big deal to bring him in on the practice
squad last year. But then Chris Ballard starts sniffing around, Hey,
we'll give you fourteen fifteen million dollars. So then they're thinking, well,
how would this look if we match that or even
give him a little bit more shows It tells everyone
we don't believe, So they were kind of in a
weird spot. I think they would have loved, you know,
Daniel Jones. Market's only eight to ten, easier to justify
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once you start getting once they gave Daniel Jones that money, Like,
I don't know, like where you stand on this. I
think Daniel Jones is gonna be the start of Week one.
And that was before the kid heard his inj hit
his shoulder.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He was going to be Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I he's going to be the start.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I had an NFL GM Tolby he had never last year.
I texted him about Anthony Richardson. He goes, I've never
seen an NFL quarterback that bad on accuracy, on shit
out in the flat. I those were the exact words.
He goes. The layup stuff is brutal. He is badly
missing layups and so I thought Daniel Jones would beat
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him out in camp.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, to me, what it is is a couple of
years ago, Trey Lance. It was over the moment they
signed Sam Darnold as the two, and then Trey Lance
wasn't even on the team. Might be harder to trade
Anthony Richson because of the injury, But I think this
team's in a weird spot. They're all in on this roster.
It's excellent, and they loaded up because they had JJ
McCarthy's rookie contract. They bought a bunch of guys in
free agency. So their team, if you told me they
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just had Dak Prescott was their quarterback, I'd be like, well,
if he just doesn't turn it over in the postseason,
this team's going to be tough. You know, you put
Brock Berdie on there Super Bowl favorites, right, But this
guy's never started an NFL game and even the going
back to remember Harbaugh was suspended and the and Sharon
Moore didn't even passed the ball in the second half
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against Penn State. It was a special team that he
got to, you know, orchestrate and run as a quarterback.
He was not asked like most of these quarterbacks in
twenty twenty five. So I'm very concerned because a lot
of times also young quarterback like Kleb got drafted number
one overall it went shitty, But ultimately it's like, Okay,
you know, the Bears hadn't made the playoffs. The expectations
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for this team. They just won fourteen games. If they
won like nine games and missed the playoffs, it would
be catastrophic. It'd be a there's a lot of pressure
on a guy. I don't remember the last time a
guy that was drafted this high was like expected anything
less than the NFC Championship game. It gets to the
Trey Lance and Anthony Richardson. Obviously, Trey was on a
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team that was expected to compete for the Super Bowl.
So it's different than just going to a team typically
drafting in the top five. The cult same thing, like,
you draft this guy in the top five, he's expected
to be a playoff level quarterback. That's different than just
going to some crappy team like ultimately Jayden Daniels, who
was incredible. The pressure on them to start the wasn't
that high, right, if they would have won six to
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seven games. He exceeded everything. Same thing with CJ. Stroud
a couple of years ago, but they got to kind
of sneak up on everywhere. There's those sneaking up. Minnesota
is I would say, one of the marquee teams in
the league coming into the year. It's a tough spot
for a young player. That's like, what if Week two
were down ten and we're gonna need you to throw
at forty five times and then all of a sudden,
(27:22):
justin Jefferson's I get in the ball. We know how
those wide receivers are. I wouldn't blame them. I'd be like,
what's going on here? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
No, I think it's a real thing. And I and again,
I was a big Jayden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Drake may
bow Nicks. I think Pennix is a bigger tu the
one that never worked for me with JJ McCarthy. It's
also interesting is what if Sam Darnold pops. What if
Sam And my guess is Sam won't be as good
as he was in Minnesota. He didn't have you know,
(27:50):
he didn't have DK Metcalf and the receiving group won't
be as good as Minnesota, and you're not gonna have
Kevin O'Connell, so Sam's numbers are not going to be
the same. But I actually think Seattle's roster's okay, probably
a weaker division. What do you expect? I mean, I
think Donald will have a B season. He had an
A season with an ugly ending, bad final chapter, but
that was an A season. I mean week fifteen, we
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were talking MVP. I don't think we're talking that. I
think he's going to be a better, more athletic, younger
version of Geno Smith.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What do you think, well, Kubiak, remember early on in
the season last year, before injuries really came up, the
Saints looked awesome on offense. So it's like that offense works,
it's easy for quarterbacks. And Sam's already done it two
years ago when Kubiak, who's the offensive coordinator now in Seattle,
was the quarterback coach offensive coordinator with Kyle and San Francisco.
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Their defense A little teaser here. I think we're going
to play it next week. I had John Schneider on
the podcast today we recorded a podcast and I was
looking at their roster. They actually have a lot of young,
impactful guys on defense. They've drafted pretty well on defense
the last couple of years. And Mike McDonald if he
coached offense instead of defense, I think we would be
talking about him like a Kyle Like they went ten
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and seven last year. It's not like they won four
or five games, so why couldn't they go ten and
seven again? And he's just on a capable They're just
a well run franchise, right Schneider brings that Green Bay
McDonald from Baltimore, the Ravens, obviously, the Pete Carroll influence.
They're just a well run, stable operation. They're not gonna suck.
You know, he's not gonna look completely overwhelmed obviously in
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the biggest moments. It was a little concerning last year.
But they're not trying to probably try to win fourteen fifteen.
I mean, ideally they would love to, but they're gonna
be I'd be stunned if they're not over five hundred.
And it's not gonna go poorly. And there's no way
what he just did last year in Minnesota, it's i
JJ can't that. I mean through thirty five touchdowns. So
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my question is Kenny throw like twenty four to twenty five,
not turn the ball over, and they just have a
really well rounded team, like kind of like a Jimmy
Garoppolo San Francisco situation of like twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one.
That to me is the best case scenario. But that's
that's not easy to do, right. I Mean, you're in
a division that's really good. Their schedule this year at
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the NFC North, who they're playing is really hard for
all four teams. Obviously, the divisional games are going to
be knocked down dragouts. I mean, one thing they really
did early on with Sam is remember they were blowing
people out early, like the Texans, the Niers. They were
killing people, so they just they got to kind of
got off and running. They were like five and one
just kicking everyone's ass. It's a different level appresionly. The
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other thing is the health wise. I mean, this is
a guy that got injured in training camp and then
need another surgery. That's can he take NFL hits? What's
he gonna feel like on a weekend week out? Basis?
Can he is he going to be available for seventeen games?
I think there are just a lot of question marks
when it comes to just I think he's one of
the bigger stories in the NFL. Just what is this guy?
(30:49):
Is he any good? Is he good enough? Is? I
mean how good is he said?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Today? The two stories in the NFL at quarterback that
are fascinating are what is jj McCarthy and who will
win the Browns starting job? Because so tomorrow or the
time this airs, it's mandatory mini camp. This is not
voluntary ota, so veterans can show up. And my argument
(31:15):
is this owner Jimmy Haslam signed Johnny drafted Johnny Manzellen
Baker Mayfield, and signed to Sean Watson to an egregiously
bad contract. He's desperate for a star at quarterback. He
wants a star at quarterback. Well, Kenny Pickett's got no juice,
Dyllan Gabriel's five to eight, Joe Flacco's old shador is
the only potential star. And if you look at the
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first five weeks, it's five top ten offenses, then Aaron
Rodgers and Pittsburgh, and it's a lot of dynamic offenses
and dynamic quarterbacks Joe Burrell and Lamar Jackson and again
two and Mike McDaniel. There's a lot of powerful offenses.
If they're dull in the first six weeks because they
don't have a very good roster. They're probably a four
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to six win team. My take is Jimmy Haslm's going
to make a call and say it, I want Shadoor Sanders.
History tells me this owner we sa we've seen this.
We saw Jim the late great Jim Mersey get pissed
off because Carson Wentz had a bad game in Jacksonville
and they shipped him out of town after a twenty
seven and seven season, a twenty seven touchdown, seven pix season,
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Carson Wentz that was his last good year. I think
Shadeure the star power will matter in ninety percent of markets.
It doesn't Cleveland at quarterback it does. So my guess
is there's a lot of dull, small old Shadour by
week eight is starting. Do you think I'm out of
my mind?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Uh, well, you're on board, flat, I know you've been
making you know, tongue in cheek. Flacco is going to
start week one right are you? You were there? Okay,
if it gets to a point, the team's not going
to be very good. Uh you know, the defense can
only carry us so long in the NFL. It's an
offensive league now with the rules. If they force him
to start Shadoor Sanders and the coach doesn't want to
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play him, I do think Kevin Stefanski by the end
of the year will just quit. It'll be one of
those situations where Stefanski and Barry, who are very highly
thought of. And I was actually in the car today,
I was listening to show when you gave me a
little shoutout talking about how it was clear during the
draft right they draft, they overdrafted Gabriel to keep the
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owner off their back, and then the kid kept falling any.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Came raft that. I think it's true because I asked
GMS about Dylan Gabriel and they're like, he's not a
third round draft pick.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I thought I knew people that thought the guy was
undrafted because of the time, not that he's not. I
mean he's an excellent college player and I mean very productive.
But going in the third round I think was a
jarring move for a lot of teams. Wow, and I
truly believe they did it. And if the visuals of
the of the owner hovering over them, Buddy was there
in the fifth round, I do think it's you have
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to make plays in practice. I mean they do have
some start, you know, the Miles Garretts and these guys
that are playing every week in the NFL. It's not
like some of these other sports in baseball or basketball,
where you kind of go through the motions even if
your team is out of it. You still like practice
is hard. The games are hard. So if you make
a guy the starter, he'd better be showing something, especially
if he's running the scout team. I remember when Perty
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became the starter when Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance went down.
It was easy to justify to the team because the
Fred Warners and the boss were like, we love this
guy in practice. We've been seeing him. Goes back to
the Rogers and some of these guys that run the
scout team, they earn street cred with the team. And
I do think you throw a guy like that in
the coach and the GM wouldn't just be behind the
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scenes like what are we doing? The team could quit
on you, but the owner has proven that he doesn't
really care. I get asked a lot like how can
these owners be so successful in whatever line of work
they do? And then such bad owners? And I do
you know the thing with football that's different than just
running a trucking company or tepper and an investing firm.
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You can just buy your way out of stuff once
you get so so much capital and resources. In football,
like everyone the salary cap. Salary cap, you only have
a limited amount of draft picks, and once you invest
in a couple guys like they do, get a huge
piece of your puzzle. Right Like in Flying j if
you buy the wrong building whatever, ten million are I
(35:17):
right off off to the next thing in football, like
some of the like they got rid of Russell Wilson
in Denver, it really crippled their cap immediately, right, So
it's you can't just buy your way out of stuff,
regardless how much cash the owner actually has in it.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Well, Elon Musk is finding this out with government. Government's
not a business, right like they're Yeah, I mean the
bottom line between Medicare and Medicaid and veteran benefits and
social security and military spending ninety percent of our budget,
there's not a lot of tweaking. You got about ten
percent of the budget you can toy with. So Elon
Musk comes in and says, I'm gonna get rid of
two trillion, bro, If you can get rid of six
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hundred million, you've done it. With those, You've done a
remarkable job because so much of it's baked in. It's
the same way in the NFL. You gotta pay left tackle,
a quarterback, an edge rusher, at least one legitimate corner,
two weapons. You have to hit on draft picks like
if you don't have to know draft picks, if you
have a bad interior on line, you can't pay for it.
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That's why you know Chicago now is loading up on
Joe Tooney, Jonah Jackson, Drew Dallman. It's like they can't
do that in two years or three years with Caleb Williams,
You're just limited. There's a certain structure of our government
and a certain structure in the NFL. Rich doesn't solve everything.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, and once you when you miss on the quarterback
as they did, you're just screwed. Right, If I flip
flop Joe Burrow from the Bengals to the Browns and
give them Deshaun Watson, the Bengals are a two win
team and the Browns are in the playoffs all year. Right,
It can just be that simple. And I think a
guy like Jimmy Haslam clearly hasn't learned his lesson because
everyone thinks that he forced the door Sanders on them.
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Even I saw some visuals of David Tepper. These owners
are just it's like their pet project and they're sitting
there in the draft that they can't help themselves. And
it's why the best owners, honestly, they just you picked
the player. I know nothing about football. I just want
to enjoy it, make the money. I'm empowering you. And
that's the thing with the Browns, Like their GM is
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highly thought of around the league. I think most people
think Kevin Stevanski really sharp, impressive offensive mind. It's hard
to operate with an owner hovering over you and making
you do things. I also think it's a weird spot
for Shador, like his skill set doesn't have a huge arm.
I think there are a couple of divisions when you
have like look at most quarterbacks that thrive in the
NFC and AFC East and the AFC North. It gets
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freezing cold. The win pumps Chicago like Caleb Williams, Jay Cutler.
You're not gonna have a weak Andy Dalton's not gonna
have success there go back to New York Eli Manning,
big arm. You know, Tom Brady, it's cold, it's hard,
like that's.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Not to me.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
If he would have gone to a Dome team, I
think it would have been better. I do think it
could be difficult playing in those environments. But I'm with you.
Like do I like him as a prospect better than
Dylan Gabriel? Hell yeah, I do think though, when you
get these dynamics of like, well, the coach in the
GM want to do this, the owner wants to do this,
things just get weird in any walk of life, I mean,
in any profession. And I think that they're already the
(38:12):
push and pull Dion's timing in. We haven't even started.
This thing is gonna once Flacco Week three, they're zero
and three throws, three picks. No one's there's not a
fan in the world that's going to want to watch
Joe Flacco take another snap after about September.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So where do you land on this? I read a
story in The Athletic about Jordan Hudson. In her life,
I've never been bothered. She's you know, hot, girls are undefeated.
She's great looking girl. Jordan Hudson Belichick's an older guy.
I'm trying to think of it because I'm sixty. I'm
thinking if I was seventy and either I was divorced
or single, and I still was a seventy four. No,
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he's up there, but he's still viable in his business. Right,
I'm not going to be that viable in fifteen or
fourteen years. And I knew social media mattered, and I
was attracted to somebody like I get where. She's sort
of his social stockbroker, his social mus like he knows
in the NFL he didn't need it, so he kept
that relationship undercover. In college. He looks at it and thinks, oh,
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it's beneficial. I mean, he has his kids on his staff.
He's got Lombardi's kid on his staff, like Bill takes
care of who helps Bill like he he is very
loyal to certain people. Dante Scarneccia, he would have kept
him until the last day of his you know, another
eight years. Dante's Scarneki is like, I'm done. So my
take is the Jordan thing is they're both using each other.
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She's ascending with some money and some real estate and profile.
He has a social muse, and I'm sure there's a
you know there's something physically in it for Bill. I'm
not bothered by it. I mean, I'm just not bothered
by it. So let's start with that. Just as a guy,
a recently married guy, has your wife talked about it?
(39:57):
I think women are uncomfortable. I'm just not. I just
I get what it is.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, I think her and her friends make fun of
her more than him, you know, I mean, she's much
closer to their age than they are to him. I
saw the article today on the breakdown in the background
of Jordan Hudson. I refuse to click. I'm like, I
do not care. I do not I saw a clip
(40:23):
about how the way she grew up, didn't you grow
up in Maine or Rhode Island or somewhere, and like
her interactions with relationships, taking advantage like this is like
an in depth profile and like a draft prospect. What
are we talking about? You used to have the thing
undefeated with men or the two things the downfall our
money and women. And he's not the first and he
definitely won't be the last. A rich guy dating some
(40:46):
young girl. I do think it becomes a lot more.
And he's also when it comes to coaches like in
college and the pros that are have side girlfriends that
have are divorced and dating women way younger than them.
Like it doesn't. I don't, I truly do not care.
But from a you I mean, look at he used
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to work for Robert Craft whose wife died and he
was immediately with someone in her twenties and they had
a baby like that, So it's like, you know, obviously
NFL owners who are older aren't all just happily married
to other women that are their age, especially where Bill
came from. But I do think the college element to
North Carolina, which is I would say, blends like a
(41:29):
do you think a comparison to like a UCLA they
are a better athletic UCLA of academics and athletics. Yeah,
it's this isn't Ole miss right, this isn't Mississippi State,
this isn't Arizona State. This is this is a pretty
serious institution operation. I can imagine they've been a little
uncomfortable with that. But at the end of the day,
when the season comes and if he's ten and two
(41:51):
and they're good, no one's gonna care. And I think
this got away from a little bit. I don't know
maybe I'm out of time. I'm not that interested anymore.
At first interested the CBS interview, it was all a
little bizarre. I'm not pressing click on any Jordan Hudson breakdowns.
I truly do not care. I mean, I just know
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I'm okay with that.
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here in Chicago, not far from where I live, so
and there's big names on this Live Tour. Like I.
Initially my take on Live Tour was why am I
loyal to the PGA. They don't run the Masters, they
(43:35):
don't run the British Opened. There's the PGA, the USGAU,
there's Augusta. They run a lot of second tier tournaments.
And my take is I'm loyal to the NFL because
the NFL encompasses all teams, all owners. It is the
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foundational piece of the league, same with the NBA or
Major League Baseball. The PGA essentially was a charity to
get a tax break, and I was more loyal to
Augusta and the US Open at Pebble Beach, Tiger Woods,
Phil Brooks, Kepka. I was always loyal to the golfer,
not the golf course of the PGA. Now Augusta is different.
(44:17):
I'm loyal to Augusta, and I'm also loyal to every
US Open at Pebble Beach outside of that, I'm not
loyal to courses and I'm not loyal I was never
loyal to anything. So when Live Golf entered the Fray,
my take was, well, if they have the more interesting golfers,
I'll watch those golfers. And that's what's happened with me,
(44:39):
is that I've seen multiple PGA events where I don't
think they have a good enough field. And so, as
you watched this weekend, Phil Micholson obviously had the shot
of the weekend, but as you watched it this weekend,
what was your takeaway about the quality in the field
of the Live Tour.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Well, I think, I mean, they have two of the
best four or five players in the world. And you know,
I would say Bryson has transcended through just sport to
now culturally, I mean YouTube. He's a gigantic star on
YouTube as well. He's just a unique personality and he
is an absolute ass kicker. I mean he's now. Rory
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did not play well last week in Canada. Bryson is
currently the second favorite, right behind At Scotty at eight
to one to win the US Open. He's also the
defending US Open champion John Ram, who had not played
well for like a year and a half in the majors,
showed serious signs of life at the PGA against Scotty.
I mean for last night ole As it felt like
John Ram might win this, which would have been his
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third major. So they got two guys in John Rahm
and Bryson who are when they're on, are as good
as anyone not named Scotty Scheffer and honestly could go
toe to toe with Scotty. I would say the thing
with Phil, you know, they had a reign delay in
DC and he was one shut off the lead and
he threw out a tweet like I got a ten
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foot or to type for the lead, and it was like,
it's fun to that Phil. I mean, he's one of
you know, I would say Bryson has become kind of
the modern day Phil. He's just a unique personality that
transcended now. Phil also had Tiger. I would say there's
no one as big as Tiger with Bryson. You could
argue Bryson might even be as big as bigger than Scotty.
(46:23):
But Phil is just a special unique Everyone that falls
sports knows who Phil Mickelson. And the thing with golf,
you know, you just never know, the US Open is
a tournament that Phil has never been able to win. Right,
Rory just wins the Masters, completes the career Grand Slam.
All these tennis players, all the top guys, they they
win all the Grand Slam tournaments. You know, most of
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the top golfers of all time have one all four majors.
Phil could never win the US Open, even though he's
finished in the top I think he's finished second like
six times. It'd be cool just one last time, and
I think Phil mends his last one this at the Yeah,
which is you know, kind of sad, but also you know,
you get to a certain point in golf if you're
not making the cuts and you get out, you know,
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you don't want to get your ass.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
How do you view if we if you and I
said greatest golfers of all time, Bobby Jones, Jack Nicholas,
Tiger Woods, I love Rory and fit Arnold Palmer.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
I put Arnold Palmer.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
There's then there's guys like Tom Kite who finished second
a million times. Where do you put Michelson?
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, I would say his comp if we were doing
like NFL quarterbacks, would probably be Peyton Manning. Uh, he's
probably one of the most important people that ever played
the sport. He just happened to be at a time
when there was a guy named Tyger Woods like Peyton
had Tom Brady, and I think a lot like Peyton
financial success. I mean, well before liv came around Phil,
(47:51):
remember that that stat like for like ten straight years,
Tiger was the highest paid athlete and Phil was like
always two or three, right ahead of Kobe or Lebron.
So I mean Phil financially was crushed it. You know,
he didn't win till a little bit later, right, I
think he won the Masters when he was like thirty
three thirty four years old, and then the floodgates kind
of opened. He won a bunch of majors. He's definitely
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one of the more entertaining. I mean, it's just a
fan of golf, one of the more entertaining golfers, very relatable.
I mean, at any moment, Phil could pump the thing
out of bounds. I mean some of Phil's greatest moments
have been like shots over fans and over trees to
then tap in for birdie. It's not always just splitting
the middle of the fairway and then knocking it to
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five feet. I think he's I never watched Arnold Palmer,
but there was an entertainment aspect to Arnold Palmer. I
think Phil, when it comes to the individual sports, tennis
and golf, has got to be one of the greatest
entertainers of all time and per slash personality.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Do you ever read the book I thought it was
great by Alan Shipknock titled Phil The rip Roaring Biography
of Golf's most Colorful Superstar. Did you ever read that?
I never went god, I think you'd love it. I
cannot believe I haven't gotten this for you. You should
go to Amazon or Barnes and.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Noble all down downloaded.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Phil read?
Speaker 1 (49:09):
I read? I read the Billy Walters book. I mean
me and Phil have some commonalities with some more vices.
You know, we like betting on football. So I mean
I actually being in Arizona, I've met some guys that
played with Phil, and I mean they love them. I
mean some of his college teammates are still really close
to him, you know, I mean Phil's Phil's are pretty special.
(49:29):
If this, if we're talking like football or basketball, this
guy was a blue chip talent at like eighteen nineteen
years old. One is an amateur on the PGA tour.
I mean he's had one of the great careers.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I think he looks at the Alan Shipnook book as
a negative. I don't.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
I found it.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
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him for the audacity of Wall Street and the grotesque
nature of money is everything. And everybody Young's talked end
up idolizing wanted to be like him. And I think
Phil looks at the Allen Shipnook book as a negative.
(50:07):
I found it made him more relatable. Listen, between food
and gambling and just personality. Phil's a lot, you know
what he's like. He's like a more talented, more disciplined
John Daily that he you know, Daily just could not
control himself at all. Phil has moments where he loses.
He wasn't terribly disciplined, but he was so effing talented,
(50:30):
and he was smart. I mean, Phil's really bright. And
I don't think Daily is necessarily Daily just a little
bit of a mess, but a wildly relatable and entertaining mess.
But when I read the Shipbook book, I recommend it
for everybody. I came out of there it was. I
thought it made Phil likable, like I wasn't bothered, Like
(50:51):
it's not like Phil is trying to tell you I've
always had abs. I've never met football. Phil's never tried.
In fact, I think he sort of leaned in that
he's a little crazy, and I loved it.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah, I mean, I actually think you're right. I mean
Phil's qualities and I think part of the reason Michael
Jordan's still to this day is so popular. You know,
most people can't relate to just winning championship after championship,
but you know, Michael likes to drink, Michael X socialized,
Michael exe party, he likes to gamble. You know, I
think Phil has some of the similarities that it's like,
you know, Phil does a lot of relatable things. And
I think as a golfer, you know, Tiger could just
(51:26):
be so robotic. It was like this guy's just a
lot to win, where Phil, it's like, hey could win
by five or he could double boge double boge seventeen
and eighteen and end up losing in historic fashion. And
that's that's where I think Rory, you know, I think
kind of resonates of just like it can go great
it can go poorly, and you know Bryson. I'm telling
you Colin, I think Bryson US opened this week in
(51:48):
Oakmont is going to be a major, major factor.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah and I yeah. I think Bryson and Shambo did
a really good job to pivot. I thought he was unlikable,
you know, the thirteen eggs, the sixteen power or shakes
in the morning. It was like, bro, I don't need
a bitcoin, bro winning on the PGA Tour, just be normal.
I think he's become incredibly relatable. I think he's great
with fans, which I like. I always thought Tiger was
(52:12):
a bit too aloof with fans. I think Bryson has
really done as good a job as any athlete. And
again it's golf, so I don't know what his marketing
company is. I think he's done as good a job
as any athlete, going from unlikable to likable in a
two year stretch. Like I root for Bryson to Shambo now,
I rooted for Brooks Kepta two years ago. I still
love Brooks, but I think Bryson's the better player now.
(52:35):
Is that that's fair?
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Oh yeah, not even close. I mean I'd say Bryson's
I mean, as we sit here today, is currently that
with Roryton Schambells a little bit, currently the second best
player in the world. I do think you know, the
live you know, he was able to pivot, he went
all in on this YouTube really kind of change. I
also think golf it's become a little it's definitely become
(52:59):
more I would say more in vogue. More popular athletes
now play it. You know, football, basketball, people like it.
But for a long time, you're just very isolated. You're
by yourself. It's not a team game. If you are
a little quirky and weird, which I think you naturally
have to be to just practice NonStop. It's not like
tennis where you need another person to practice with. You
(53:19):
just play golf by yourself. You can just practice by
yourself twenty four to seven. That like, even if you're
a little weird, if you play football and basketball, you're
gonna be around other people and you'll just kind of
mold into just kind of them, right, and just parts
of their personality. We're in golf you can just kind
of stay isolated. And I think the live team element,
I think the YouTube element really kind of changed. And listen,
(53:41):
I think Bryson lightened up. You don't have to be
like Tiger was. I mean, let's face, kind of an asshole.
Kobe could be, Michael could be. When you're kicking everyone's
butt twenty four to seven, three sixty five, no one
really cares. You know, Bryson would go to show up
to the Masters and be like, this is a par
sixty seven and then seventy seven. It's like price, you
can't be saying. So I think he got humbled a
(54:01):
little bit, and I think he's just kind of embraced
maybe the perfect timing of like social media boom. He
just kind of knows how to play it and he's,
let's face it, you hit the ball three in forty
three and fifty yards. I mean, John Daly is still
cool and he's sixty years old. I mean part of
hitting the chicks dig the long ball. I mean, guys
dig the long ball. It's it's cool and he's and
he does that, but he's but he's a great player.
(54:24):
So I think he's got, out of anybody, the best
chance to beat Scotty this weekend at the US Open.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
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I took ten days and I squeezed every damn inch
out of it. London for four, Copenhagen two, Watch Hill,
Rhode Island and golf for five, lobster rolls, a lot
of Tito's. That was a good ten day. Squeezed every
ounce of vacation. I could I feel pretty good?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
What was the best city? Well, what was the best uh?
And best meal?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
A best meal was Copenhagen, UH new and Dua and
you and Dua about six months old. Unbelievable, everything was.
I don't even know how to explain it. My son
and I just sat there and couldn't believe how good
it was beginning to end.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I think London's amazing, but I like the activity of it.
My mom's from there, and watch Hills where I spend
my summer. So UH got and now I got my
clubs in watch Hill in Chicago. So I'm starting to
take golf seriously for the first time in my life.
And I played like shit two days ago, but it
was still I hit just enough good shots to bring
me back.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You when you go to London, do you walk everywhere?
Or do you kind of everywhere?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
No? I lost four pounds on my vacation and went
out to eat every single night. We had one home
cooked meal on the grill, but nine nights I went
out to eat with my son or my wife or friends.
And that's usually a recipe to put on weight. But
you know, everything in Copenhagen is fish. That's a pork
(02:20):
and fish Mecca. So I strongly recommend. I don't know
how many days you have to be in Copenhaga. You know,
you ever been to a place that would be a
great place to live, Like Copenhagen would be amazing place
to live. It's not that flashy to visit it, it's
it's just easy and fun. But to live there, you
would bike everywhere. I told somebody on the staff today,
(02:43):
I would lose ten pounds. I'm one ninety one, ninety
one ninety two for the last, you know, twenty five years,
I would lose ten pounds and living in Copenhagen, I
would live off coffee, great coffee, coffee, seafood, and biking.
You bike everywhere. There's bike lanes everywhere, and it's just
like part of life. It's like a small Portland.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Did you feel the future NFL division over there? Like
it's going to really resonate with the people.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Everybody in Copenhagen is from Copenhagen. They do like America.
Mixed opinions on Trump, but they do like America. You know,
Americans are such I mean, the one thing you figure
out pretty quickly when you go to Europe. Americans go
to Europe, they pay a lot. They tip well. The
Swiss and the Americans and out of the Chinese have
(03:28):
a lot of money. And you know European countries, you
know the the uber drivers and the hotel owners and
the fish market owners. They make a lot of money
off Americans. So every time I go over, I always asked, Hey,
what do you think about America? I'm not offended, And
you know it's you know, the people of every country
are amazing. Sometimes our politicians aren't. So I everywhere I go,
(03:50):
I feel like people are great, Food's amazing. If you have.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
You been to London before, I've been to Spain, I've
been to Italy, I've been the mister Damn, I never
went to London. I've never been. I've always wanted obviously,
Uh the UK in general, Ireland is an area I
love golf, would love to go. So those are things
that I need to check off the bucket list here.
But when I went to I mean Spain, you know,
Barcelona can be a little much. It's a lot, a
(04:17):
lot going on. Yeah, it's just it's a lot. Now
I was. I went when I was in my early twenties,
so it was fun, but I wouldn't need to go
back to that, but you know, you go to some
I actually went for studied abroad for like a month
when I was twenty one years old in San Sebasta.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's what my son just did in London, so I
went over and visited him. I hit a month class.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, it's just it's just an awesome exactly. I mean,
it's just it's an incredible time. It was pretty cheap
when I went. I can imagine I don't know what's
the EU Uh, what's the euro to a dollar ratio
right now? How's that ripping? Is that like one to one?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Not really, it's it's we get beat up a little
bit our dollars. Not particularly wrong. But you know, London's
not cheap. Copenhagen's more reasonable. I I I just love
going to Europe. And there's there's a period mid May
until the first week of June. The tourists aren't there yet,
so you can get every hotel. They don't jack the
(05:15):
rates up. It's not too hot. I mean, I'm in Copenhagen.
It's sixty nine degrees. I'm with my son. We went
on a three and a half hour bike ride. Is unbelievable,
Like we just t shirts on. It was just unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
When you're back in Rhode Island in the summer, does
it get like like Philly or New York that humidity.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's funny you asked that. So yesterday was a little sticky.
So what happens in the summer in Rhode Island and
a lot of the Northeast is you'll get you start
with a perfect day, then the next day it's really
nice with a little humidity. Then the next day it's
really humid, then a lightning storm washes it out. It's
in great night, and then you go back to perfect,
(05:57):
really really good, really sticky thunderstorm. It's a three or
a four day cycle. So yesterday it was a little warm,
it was like seventy two degrees, but a little sticky.
But you know what I do, man, I I put
on a hat, a little SPF fifty, and I go
for a walk and get a good sweat. So I
don't I don't mind it. I'm not anti Like Southern
humidity is different than Northeast humidity. Like Rhode Island, you're
(06:19):
you're by a beach, you're getting a cold, you know,
Atlantic breeze. It doesn't bother me much. I freaking love
Rhode Island. Maybe it's where we live, but I fly
out of the Providence Airport all the time. I love it.
It's if you told me I retired with a condo
in Chicago and on the beach for four or five
months in the summer in Rhode Island, go to Europe
(06:39):
for a couple of weeks. That's a good living.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Well, how much easier is the travel now for you
come of Rhode Island Chicago, so shorter flight than coming
all the way across.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The good it's the only you know, it's funny. It's
people know I've moved my operation to Chicago. Yeah, and
a big part of it was my wife and I
spending a lot of time in Rhode Island in the
summer because we bought an old home. We fixed it
up and we have really good friends there, and it's
close to an airport. And it's also you know, we
go to we try to go to London, or we
tried to go to Europe once or twice a year.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So it's just easy.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You forget how far La is from everything when you
live in La, like it's the center of your universe,
but I don't. My wife's not a big fan of Hawaii.
She's groat to go to the Caribbean. So when you're
in Los Angeles, you're a long way from Boston, New York, Europe, Miami, like,
you're a long way from stuff. I never thought about
it because when you're in La, there's no reason to
do it. You know, you go to Mexico, La Scottsdale.
(07:31):
You got your good weather. But you know, part of
the Chicago move was just access to other places in
the world and other places in the country. That's easier.
So yeah, and I don't mind taking the train. I
took the train home today. It's twenty nine minutes. It's quick,
it's fast. Head down podcast, it's great.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I think guys on a headline, you know, I remember
you telling me last year when you were talking about
your place. Your neighbor, a lady that goes by Taylor Swift,
she just moved. She sell that place.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
She I think.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I think I saw that she was selling that place,
but I could I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I never saw her. I saw Mahomes and Travis Kelsey
were there. I would see occasional celebrities. I never saw her.
You know how much time would she spend there that
eras to her maybe five days of summer. So I
just I just didn't see her ever. Speaking of social lives,
Aaron Rodgers got married. I saw he had a wedding
(08:25):
ring on and I was talking about this on FS
one today. In the last year, I've had a couple
of buddies who are gms in the league. And one
of the lines I've I've used in my business for
a long time is weird doesn't work. You can be
you can have an ego, you can even be a
(08:47):
little temperamental, you can make mistakes, but if you're weird,
eventually companies will move on from you. And I had
a general manager tell me I was out with him
about six months ago and he said, Aaron just got weird.
And he said, and there's a story that McVeigh passed
on him, Kevin O'Connell passed on him. He was the
(09:08):
Steeters third choice. And it's I was writing down a
list today of the quarterbacks I would take over Aaron
in the league, and there were sixteen of them, including
like bo Nicks. I'm not paying Bonnicks anything. He's more
coachable he's more athletic. He throws a fine ball. I
think Aaron's just gotten to a point where I think
Pittsburgh's about the only offer he had, and reportedly, according
(09:28):
to Schefter, he was their third choice.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, I mean, I do think it's pretty bizarre that
he signs this contract. He's supported in the wedding ring.
I mean, this is these quarterbacks. You know, who they're
married to is kind I mean they're pretty big stars, right,
They're like actors, NBA stars. Josh Allen gets married. We
all know it's not all these guys even married famous
people like Josh Allen or Tom Brady. They're married to
(09:53):
other famous people. Patrick Mahomes married to his high school sweetheart.
Peyton Manning is married to a girl I think he
dated in college. Who cares this whole thing of like
I got things going on in my personal life, which
I assumed it was negative stuff. Turns out maybe he
was just getting married and wanted to push this off.
It's just kind of the I've always been pro Aaron
Rodgers as a player because I thought he was incredible,
(10:14):
you know, I thought, in the peak of his powers,
he's one of the best athletes in terms of their
sport I've ever seen in my entire life, which is
weird because when you look at the totality of his career,
it almost feels underwhelming for how good he was. You know,
I think he let down in the playoffs. I mean
they lost a couple of years ago to at Home
to Jimmy Garoppolo and the forty nine ers offense. I
think they scored thirteen points. That can't happen. But I
(10:36):
think this whole because we knew he was going to
go to Pittsburgh, it was just when he was going
to sign. But that picture of him with the wedding
ring is just a little bizarre. I mean, there's really
no way around, right, And you've been on this forever.
Listen as someone that got I got married for the
first time at forty years old. Now there is a
and a lot of my friends and my brother got
married in their late twenties early thirties. Your life is
(10:58):
dramatically different, you know. I mean, obviously then you have kids,
it is a completely different lifestyle. And he's just kind
of been in this weird spot. Obviously, also as a player,
he's no longer the same. His mobility has got this
He's just not a dominant player anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
You can argue Tom Brady had a twenty year prime,
a twenty year prime now, even though he was really
good past forty I don't really consider it. Maybe forty
one and then the prime ended, but he was still
threw a great ball at forty.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I'd get I'd give him for that first that first
year and a half in Tampa, I think he was
pretty damn good.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
People forget this. Aaron's last year in green Bay, they
played in They played an average Lions team at home
and lost, and it was Aaron. I think it was
Aaron's last was his last game as a Packer.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And he got outplayed by golf in that gamelayed Aaron.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So that year, if you go back statistically, Aaron was
a B plus quarterback. He didn't play his first three
years in the league, right he sat in the bench.
His fourth year he started, he went six and ten.
I can argue Aaron had less than a ten year prime.
I mean, because he hasn't done anything in four years.
He didn't do anything the first four years, So I
(12:17):
mean Aaron's prime was about half of Brady's.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I'd give I'd give him two thousand and nine to
about twenty one twenty two. I mean he won the
MVP in twenty one, twenty and twenty one. Yeah, about
about ten eleven years, Max.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Think about that. Brady's at twenty and I so if
you really look at Peyton Manning's probably about fourteen usually,
you know, I mean Mahomes maybe one of those seventeen
to eighteen years Aaron just and I think a lot
of it was just Aaron. I don't think he was
as committed in the offseason. I think he wasn't you know.
(12:52):
I thought he was really good the year he went
six and ten, but I didn't think he was I
just thought he was talented. He wasn't a winning quarterback.
Think a lot of that is just I've always been
one of these people. I'm not impressed by people that
get jobs. I'm impressed by people that keep them. Like
I think there is a real skill to being Lebron
James or Tom Brady or Derek Jeter, and it's a
(13:14):
commitment on nutrition, what you eat, sleep, And I think
that's a skill. I think discipline's a skill. Maybe people don't.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe mental health professionals would argue that
disciplines is you know, it's it's not a skill.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Anyone who says that not is a moron. From the
Navy Seals to our athletes, to our CEOs, what are they?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And I just look at Aaron's prime. It's half of Brady.
And you can say what you want, but that last
year in Green Bay, he was a B quarterback and
he's gone downhill since. I mean, he's just a pocket
guy now. And he's not even like an elite pocket guy.
He's just a pocket guy.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Well, I think when you look at his contemporaries or
definitely his peers over his career, because he came in
a lot later than Peyton and definitely, you know, definitely
Peyton and Tom, he was way more physically gifted than
those guys. Those guys couldn't run Tom and Peyton couldn't
run at all. I would say Drew Brees definitely wasn't
a mobile quarterback, and he just had more skills. I mean,
(14:15):
I would say Peyton and Drew Brees are known as
best average arms, right. They hung their hat on accuracy.
Tom had the best arm of that trio. But those
guys worked like they could get cut next year. I
mean everyone you ever talked to that was around those guys.
They were discussed like they were Michael Jordan or Kobe
Bryan or Tiger Woods. Their addiction to their craft and
how much it meant to them. I do think Aaron
(14:38):
really benefited a lot. I mean, Tom Brady goes to
the Patriots, who sucked right him and Bill turned that
thing around. Peyton went to the Colts who had the
number one overall pick, and Drew Brees and Sean Payton
showed up to the Saints that were known as the Aince.
This guy went to the Green Bay Packers, who were
a model franchise for fifteen plus years before he got there.
(14:59):
And I always think that, like listen him and Davante. Sometimes,
you know, you kind of make up your own problems
in your head when life's going a little too good.
And it felt like those two guys, I mean, they
have to look back after the couple bumpy years of going,
we actually had it pretty good. You know, it can
be a little boring in this town, but we had
a lot of success here For a reason.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I'm looking up Aaron Drew Brees's career from the first
five years with the Chargers and then you know that
fifteen year run or whatever it was with the Saints.
If I go back to Drew Brees, a smaller athlete,
you can say his first great year was two thousand
and four with the Chargers. So let me count these
years one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
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fifty sixteen. I would say Breese had either sixteen or
seventeen elite years. I mean, and I think Brady's twenty plus.
So and again this isn't bash Aaron. It's just when
you go and I've said this, I said this before
to you, if Stafford won another Super Bowl, Stafford was
(16:03):
better in college. He was better early, he was much
better later. If Stafford plays three more years and endor McVeigh,
they would be good. They have, I mean, they've got
their ship rolling. If he gets one more Super Bowl,
you're gonna look at Matt Stafford, and you're gonna look
at Aaron Rodgers, and you're gonna have to have a
real hard conversation because that means Stafford's playoff record is
(16:27):
gonna be significantly better than Aaron Rodgers, which is basically
five hundred People think I'm crazy when I say this,
Stafford has more to gain legacy than any player in
the league over the next three years.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I will say this about Rogers when it came to Stafford,
he was one of his biggest proponents over the years.
You know, when he was middling away in Detroit, He's like,
you guys don't realize and obviously the football people held
him in high regard. Kind of got screwed that he
got drafted to this franchise that. I mean, they're gonna
be kids right now in Detroit that have no clue
how big of a joke that franchise used to be.
(17:04):
I will say I think Rogers kind of morphed a
little more into like an NBA player, right, or like
receivers off then act than these quarterbacks. I mean, even
Tom for a long period of time just kind of
shut his mouth, kept his head down dealing with Bill.
I mean, Peyton, would he have ever gone to Denver
if they hadn't cut him in Indy and he had
no other neck injury, he just would have played it
out forever in Indianapolis. So yeah, I just think Aaron,
(17:27):
and part of it might be the the nature of
that franchise, you know, You've talked about this a lot
of people have over the years. There's no owner to
really get involved and kind of calm everyone down. Yes,
even just the basic of like hey, you want to
take my jet with your new wife or your buddies
to wherever you want, just the you know, the Eddie
de Barbelo, Jerry Jones, the robber craft like kind of
(17:49):
taking care of you. That there's no that guy doesn't
really exist. So I honestly think that those guys and
if I was a Packer fan, We'll see how the
Jordan Love stuff plays out. But it's like, God, why
did these guys make such a big stink? We could
have kept it rolling for a couple of years. We
have a really good coach. It's like, remember when he
was having at odds with Gudakins. It's like, what are
(18:09):
you actually mad about with him? Like what did he do?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
What are we talking about? And let's face it, his
ego was really really hurt with the Jordan Love draft.
Pick well, looking back, and there have been a lot
of articles, so was Tom and what did Tom do?
Went out and said I'm going to dominate and win
Super Bowls and you're gonna have to get rid of
that guy, not me. Aaron kind of took the different
tactic like screw you guys, get rid of me, and
obviously age. Let's face it, and the history of sports,
(18:35):
isn't Aaron's career parallel the most guys we've ever watched.
Once you get to your late thirties, you had an injury,
popped achilles, and you're just never quite the same. And
then usually you go to these weird franchises or in
his you know, this scenario kind of a desperate one.
I think they have a lot of guys from Cam
Hayward to TJ. Tamika that are like serious cats. This
(18:57):
has got to be like, wait, we had to wait
for you. It's not like you're the greatest things in
sliced bread here, buddy.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not this. I think
this year he'll win the in a nine games, He'll
have twenty three touchdowns, ten picks. He'll be fine. I
miss a game or two, it'll but it is interesting
when you look back, I think Aaron views himself has
picked on or marginalized by the media. And when you
just start looking at Peyton's career and Ben's career and
Breeze's career, and Brady's career, and Elway and Marino. You
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just start looking at some of these careers. Aaron's prime
was just not as long, and some of that's he
sat behind far. But I thought he aged really quickly
and you can speculate why he did, but he did.
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so I want to throw this out. The JJ McCarthy
stuff's kind of fascinating to me because he was the
one guy in this quarterback class two years ago.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I didn't like.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I just didn't see it. I thought he was a
bit small. I thought he was athletic enough. I'm as
very very cautious when people says a winner, what the
f does that mean, doesn't mean anything. Danny Wirfel was
a winner. Every Florida coach, every Florida quarterback, he vo, Yeah,
under Spurrier was a winner. Johnny Manziel was a winner.
It doesn't mean anything. I always believe that if you
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look at most NFL quarterbacks, they had, even Brock Purdy,
who I don't love. They had to carry their college offense,
Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning. You know
they're not playing with five star guys. That's why Ohio State,
you think, would have ten great NFL quarterbacks. C J.
Strouds their first really good one. USC's had very few
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great NFL quarterbacks. Alabama hasn't, LSU hasn't. Burrow obviously is
but he was a transfer. But JJ McCarthy his last
two years he threw them ball over thirty times one time,
he never trailed. He had a great run game. And
so I look at him, and Ross Tucker came out
with a story, and I think Ross is a very
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credible guy. I don't know him, but very credible guy.
He said, listen, there's concerns they wanted to resign Donald
and I heard the same thing. But because of my
relationship with Darnald. I wondered if people were telling me
that my source was telling me that because they knew
I loved Donald, but they had said they actually they
actually want Sam and I couldn't believe it. I'm like, no,
you got you drafted JJ McCarthy. He has to play.
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If Ross Tucker says there's concerns, I believe that, do you?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah? I mean I think that going back to that
Detroit game when he was really skinny on the sideline,
you know, at the end of the season, after meeting
multiple injuries. And I also think it gets back to
the way in which he played. Was not a guy
that had to carry his offense in college. He handed
the ball off and they played defense. And they had
thirty NFL guys over a two year span, right, I mean,
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look at Stetson. Bennett was on a team that you know,
any decent quarterback could have navigated. And I think the
concerning part is you have to massage this if you're
the team. So it's like, Okay, Darnold gets fifty five
plus million guaranteed from Seattle, It's like, you can't. They
were like, we're not going to give him that I
think they wanted to keep Daniel Jones. Remember they made
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a big deal to bring him in on the practice
squad last year. But then Chris Ballard starts sniffing around, Hey,
we'll give you fourteen fifteen million dollars. So then they're thinking, well,
how would this look if we match that or even
give him a little bit more shows It tells everyone
we don't believe, So they were kind of in a
weird spot. I think they would have loved, you know,
Daniel Jones. Market's only eight to ten, easier to justify
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once you start getting once they gave Daniel Jones that money, Like,
I don't know, like where you stand on this. I
think Daniel Jones is gonna be the start of Week one.
And that was before the kid heard his inj hit
his shoulder.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He was going to be Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I he's going to be the start.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I had an NFL GM Tolby he had never last year.
I texted him about Anthony Richardson. He goes, I've never
seen an NFL quarterback that bad on accuracy, on shit
out in the flat. I those were the exact words.
He goes. The layup stuff is brutal. He is badly
missing layups and so I thought Daniel Jones would beat
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him out in camp.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, to me, what it is is a couple of
years ago, Trey Lance. It was over the moment they
signed Sam Darnold as the two, and then Trey Lance
wasn't even on the team. Might be harder to trade
Anthony Richson because of the injury, But I think this
team's in a weird spot. They're all in on this roster.
It's excellent, and they loaded up because they had JJ
McCarthy's rookie contract. They bought a bunch of guys in
free agency. So their team, if you told me they
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just had Dak Prescott was their quarterback, I'd be like, well,
if he just doesn't turn it over in the postseason,
this team's going to be tough. You know, you put
Brock Berdie on there Super Bowl favorites, right, But this
guy's never started an NFL game and even the going
back to remember Harbaugh was suspended and the and Sharon
Moore didn't even passed the ball in the second half
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against Penn State. It was a special team that he
got to, you know, orchestrate and run as a quarterback.
He was not asked like most of these quarterbacks in
twenty twenty five. So I'm very concerned because a lot
of times also young quarterback like Kleb got drafted number
one overall it went shitty, But ultimately it's like, Okay,
you know, the Bears hadn't made the playoffs. The expectations
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for this team. They just won fourteen games. If they
won like nine games and missed the playoffs, it would
be catastrophic. It'd be a there's a lot of pressure
on a guy. I don't remember the last time a
guy that was drafted this high was like expected anything
less than the NFC Championship game. It gets to the
Trey Lance and Anthony Richardson. Obviously, Trey was on a
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team that was expected to compete for the Super Bowl.
So it's different than just going to a team typically
drafting in the top five. The cult same thing, like,
you draft this guy in the top five, he's expected
to be a playoff level quarterback. That's different than just
going to some crappy team like ultimately Jayden Daniels, who
was incredible. The pressure on them to start the wasn't
that high, right, if they would have won six to
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seven games. He exceeded everything. Same thing with CJ. Stroud
a couple of years ago, but they got to kind
of sneak up on everywhere. There's those sneaking up. Minnesota
is I would say, one of the marquee teams in
the league coming into the year. It's a tough spot
for a young player. That's like, what if Week two
were down ten and we're gonna need you to throw
at forty five times and then all of a sudden,
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justin Jefferson's I get in the ball. We know how
those wide receivers are. I wouldn't blame them. I'd be like,
what's going on here? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
No, I think it's a real thing. And I and again,
I was a big Jayden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Drake may
bow Nicks. I think Pennix is a bigger tu the
one that never worked for me with JJ McCarthy. It's
also interesting is what if Sam Darnold pops. What if
Sam And my guess is Sam won't be as good
as he was in Minnesota. He didn't have you know,
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he didn't have DK Metcalf and the receiving group won't
be as good as Minnesota, and you're not gonna have
Kevin O'Connell, so Sam's numbers are not going to be
the same. But I actually think Seattle's roster's okay, probably
a weaker division. What do you expect? I mean, I
think Donald will have a B season. He had an
A season with an ugly ending, bad final chapter, but
that was an A season. I mean week fifteen, we
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were talking MVP. I don't think we're talking that. I
think he's going to be a better, more athletic, younger
version of Geno Smith.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What do you think, well, Kubiak, remember early on in
the season last year, before injuries really came up, the
Saints looked awesome on offense. So it's like that offense works,
it's easy for quarterbacks. And Sam's already done it two
years ago when Kubiak, who's the offensive coordinator now in Seattle,
was the quarterback coach offensive coordinator with Kyle and San Francisco.
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Their defense A little teaser here. I think we're going
to play it next week. I had John Schneider on
the podcast today we recorded a podcast and I was
looking at their roster. They actually have a lot of young,
impactful guys on defense. They've drafted pretty well on defense
the last couple of years. And Mike McDonald if he
coached offense instead of defense, I think we would be
talking about him like a Kyle Like they went ten
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and seven last year. It's not like they won four
or five games, so why couldn't they go ten and
seven again? And he's just on a capable They're just
a well run franchise, right Schneider brings that Green Bay
McDonald from Baltimore, the Ravens, obviously, the Pete Carroll influence.
They're just a well run, stable operation. They're not gonna suck.
You know, he's not gonna look completely overwhelmed obviously in
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the biggest moments. It was a little concerning last year.
But they're not trying to probably try to win fourteen fifteen.
I mean, ideally they would love to, but they're gonna
be I'd be stunned if they're not over five hundred.
And it's not gonna go poorly. And there's no way
what he just did last year in Minnesota, it's i
JJ can't that. I mean through thirty five touchdowns. So
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my question is Kenny throw like twenty four to twenty five,
not turn the ball over, and they just have a
really well rounded team, like kind of like a Jimmy
Garoppolo San Francisco situation of like twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one.
That to me is the best case scenario. But that's
that's not easy to do, right. I Mean, you're in
a division that's really good. Their schedule this year at
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the NFC North, who they're playing is really hard for
all four teams. Obviously, the divisional games are going to
be knocked down dragouts. I mean, one thing they really
did early on with Sam is remember they were blowing
people out early, like the Texans, the Niers. They were
killing people, so they just they got to kind of
got off and running. They were like five and one
just kicking everyone's ass. It's a different level appresionly. The
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other thing is the health wise. I mean, this is
a guy that got injured in training camp and then
need another surgery. That's can he take NFL hits? What's
he gonna feel like on a weekend week out? Basis?
Can he is he going to be available for seventeen games?
I think there are just a lot of question marks
when it comes to just I think he's one of
the bigger stories in the NFL. Just what is this guy?
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Is he any good? Is he good enough? Is? I
mean how good is he said?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Today? The two stories in the NFL at quarterback that
are fascinating are what is jj McCarthy and who will
win the Browns starting job? Because so tomorrow or the
time this airs, it's mandatory mini camp. This is not
voluntary ota, so veterans can show up. And my argument
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is this owner Jimmy Haslam signed Johnny drafted Johnny Manzellen
Baker Mayfield, and signed to Sean Watson to an egregiously
bad contract. He's desperate for a star at quarterback. He
wants a star at quarterback. Well, Kenny Pickett's got no juice,
Dyllan Gabriel's five to eight, Joe Flacco's old shador is
the only potential star. And if you look at the
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first five weeks, it's five top ten offenses, then Aaron
Rodgers and Pittsburgh, and it's a lot of dynamic offenses
and dynamic quarterbacks Joe Burrell and Lamar Jackson and again
two and Mike McDaniel. There's a lot of powerful offenses.
If they're dull in the first six weeks because they
don't have a very good roster. They're probably a four
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to six win team. My take is Jimmy Haslm's going
to make a call and say it, I want Shadoor Sanders.
History tells me this owner we sa we've seen this.
We saw Jim the late great Jim Mersey get pissed
off because Carson Wentz had a bad game in Jacksonville
and they shipped him out of town after a twenty
seven and seven season, a twenty seven touchdown, seven pix season,
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Carson Wentz that was his last good year. I think
Shadeure the star power will matter in ninety percent of markets.
It doesn't Cleveland at quarterback it does. So my guess
is there's a lot of dull, small old Shadour by
week eight is starting. Do you think I'm out of
my mind?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Uh, well, you're on board, flat, I know you've been
making you know, tongue in cheek. Flacco is going to
start week one right are you? You were there? Okay,
if it gets to a point, the team's not going
to be very good. Uh you know, the defense can
only carry us so long in the NFL. It's an
offensive league now with the rules. If they force him
to start Shadoor Sanders and the coach doesn't want to
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play him, I do think Kevin Stefanski by the end
of the year will just quit. It'll be one of
those situations where Stefanski and Barry, who are very highly
thought of. And I was actually in the car today,
I was listening to show when you gave me a
little shoutout talking about how it was clear during the
draft right they draft, they overdrafted Gabriel to keep the
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owner off their back, and then the kid kept falling any.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Came raft that. I think it's true because I asked
GMS about Dylan Gabriel and they're like, he's not a
third round draft pick.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I thought I knew people that thought the guy was
undrafted because of the time, not that he's not. I
mean he's an excellent college player and I mean very productive.
But going in the third round I think was a
jarring move for a lot of teams. Wow, and I
truly believe they did it. And if the visuals of
the of the owner hovering over them, Buddy was there
in the fifth round, I do think it's you have
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to make plays in practice. I mean they do have
some start, you know, the Miles Garretts and these guys
that are playing every week in the NFL. It's not
like some of these other sports in baseball or basketball,
where you kind of go through the motions even if
your team is out of it. You still like practice
is hard. The games are hard. So if you make
a guy the starter, he'd better be showing something, especially
if he's running the scout team. I remember when Perty
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became the starter when Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance went down.
It was easy to justify to the team because the
Fred Warners and the boss were like, we love this
guy in practice. We've been seeing him. Goes back to
the Rogers and some of these guys that run the
scout team, they earn street cred with the team. And
I do think you throw a guy like that in
the coach and the GM wouldn't just be behind the
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scenes like what are we doing? The team could quit
on you, but the owner has proven that he doesn't
really care. I get asked a lot like how can
these owners be so successful in whatever line of work
they do? And then such bad owners? And I do
you know the thing with football that's different than just
running a trucking company or tepper and an investing firm.
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You can just buy your way out of stuff once
you get so so much capital and resources. In football,
like everyone the salary cap. Salary cap, you only have
a limited amount of draft picks, and once you invest
in a couple guys like they do, get a huge
piece of your puzzle. Right Like in Flying j if
you buy the wrong building whatever, ten million are I
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right off off to the next thing in football, like
some of the like they got rid of Russell Wilson
in Denver, it really crippled their cap immediately, right, So
it's you can't just buy your way out of stuff,
regardless how much cash the owner actually has in it.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Well, Elon Musk is finding this out with government. Government's
not a business, right like they're Yeah, I mean the
bottom line between Medicare and Medicaid and veteran benefits and
social security and military spending ninety percent of our budget,
there's not a lot of tweaking. You got about ten
percent of the budget you can toy with. So Elon
Musk comes in and says, I'm gonna get rid of
two trillion, bro, If you can get rid of six
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hundred million, you've done it. With those, You've done a
remarkable job because so much of it's baked in. It's
the same way in the NFL. You gotta pay left tackle,
a quarterback, an edge rusher, at least one legitimate corner,
two weapons. You have to hit on draft picks like
if you don't have to know draft picks, if you
have a bad interior on line, you can't pay for it.
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That's why you know Chicago now is loading up on
Joe Tooney, Jonah Jackson, Drew Dallman. It's like they can't
do that in two years or three years with Caleb Williams,
You're just limited. There's a certain structure of our government
and a certain structure in the NFL. Rich doesn't solve everything.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, and once you when you miss on the quarterback
as they did, you're just screwed. Right, If I flip
flop Joe Burrow from the Bengals to the Browns and
give them Deshaun Watson, the Bengals are a two win
team and the Browns are in the playoffs all year. Right,
It can just be that simple. And I think a
guy like Jimmy Haslam clearly hasn't learned his lesson because
everyone thinks that he forced the door Sanders on them.
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Even I saw some visuals of David Tepper. These owners
are just it's like their pet project and they're sitting
there in the draft that they can't help themselves. And
it's why the best owners, honestly, they just you picked
the player. I know nothing about football. I just want
to enjoy it, make the money. I'm empowering you. And
that's the thing with the Browns, Like their GM is
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highly thought of around the league. I think most people
think Kevin Stevanski really sharp, impressive offensive mind. It's hard
to operate with an owner hovering over you and making
you do things. I also think it's a weird spot
for Shador, like his skill set doesn't have a huge arm.
I think there are a couple of divisions when you
have like look at most quarterbacks that thrive in the
NFC and AFC East and the AFC North. It gets
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freezing cold. The win pumps Chicago like Caleb Williams, Jay Cutler.
You're not gonna have a weak Andy Dalton's not gonna
have success there go back to New York Eli Manning,
big arm. You know, Tom Brady, it's cold, it's hard,
like that's.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Not to me.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
If he would have gone to a Dome team, I
think it would have been better. I do think it
could be difficult playing in those environments. But I'm with you.
Like do I like him as a prospect better than
Dylan Gabriel? Hell yeah, I do think though, when you
get these dynamics of like, well, the coach in the
GM want to do this, the owner wants to do this,
things just get weird in any walk of life, I mean,
in any profession. And I think that they're already the
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push and pull Dion's timing in. We haven't even started.
This thing is gonna once Flacco Week three, they're zero
and three throws, three picks. No one's there's not a
fan in the world that's going to want to watch
Joe Flacco take another snap after about September.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So where do you land on this? I read a
story in The Athletic about Jordan Hudson. In her life,
I've never been bothered. She's you know, hot, girls are undefeated.
She's great looking girl. Jordan Hudson Belichick's an older guy.
I'm trying to think of it because I'm sixty. I'm
thinking if I was seventy and either I was divorced
or single, and I still was a seventy four. No,
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he's up there, but he's still viable in his business. Right,
I'm not going to be that viable in fifteen or
fourteen years. And I knew social media mattered, and I
was attracted to somebody like I get where. She's sort
of his social stockbroker, his social mus like he knows
in the NFL he didn't need it, so he kept
that relationship undercover. In college. He looks at it and thinks, oh,
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it's beneficial. I mean, he has his kids on his staff.
He's got Lombardi's kid on his staff, like Bill takes
care of who helps Bill like he he is very
loyal to certain people. Dante Scarneccia, he would have kept
him until the last day of his you know, another
eight years. Dante's Scarneki is like, I'm done. So my
take is the Jordan thing is they're both using each other.
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She's ascending with some money and some real estate and profile.
He has a social muse, and I'm sure there's a
you know there's something physically in it for Bill. I'm
not bothered by it. I mean, I'm just not bothered
by it. So let's start with that. Just as a guy,
a recently married guy, has your wife talked about it?
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I think women are uncomfortable. I'm just not. I just
I get what it is.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, I think her and her friends make fun of
her more than him, you know, I mean, she's much
closer to their age than they are to him. I
saw the article today on the breakdown in the background
of Jordan Hudson. I refuse to click. I'm like, I
do not care. I do not I saw a clip
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about how the way she grew up, didn't you grow
up in Maine or Rhode Island or somewhere, and like
her interactions with relationships, taking advantage like this is like
an in depth profile and like a draft prospect. What
are we talking about? You used to have the thing
undefeated with men or the two things the downfall our
money and women. And he's not the first and he
definitely won't be the last. A rich guy dating some
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young girl. I do think it becomes a lot more.
And he's also when it comes to coaches like in
college and the pros that are have side girlfriends that
have are divorced and dating women way younger than them.
Like it doesn't. I don't, I truly do not care.
But from a you I mean, look at he used
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to work for Robert Craft whose wife died and he
was immediately with someone in her twenties and they had
a baby like that, So it's like, you know, obviously
NFL owners who are older aren't all just happily married
to other women that are their age, especially where Bill
came from. But I do think the college element to
North Carolina, which is I would say, blends like a
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do you think a comparison to like a UCLA they
are a better athletic UCLA of academics and athletics. Yeah,
it's this isn't Ole miss right, this isn't Mississippi State,
this isn't Arizona State. This is this is a pretty
serious institution operation. I can imagine they've been a little
uncomfortable with that. But at the end of the day,
when the season comes and if he's ten and two
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and they're good, no one's gonna care. And I think
this got away from a little bit. I don't know
maybe I'm out of time. I'm not that interested anymore.
At first interested the CBS interview, it was all a
little bizarre. I'm not pressing click on any Jordan Hudson breakdowns.
I truly do not care. I mean, I just know
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I'm okay with that.
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and there's big names on this Live Tour. Like I.
Initially my take on Live Tour was why am I
loyal to the PGA. They don't run the Masters, they
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don't run the British Opened. There's the PGA, the USGAU,
there's Augusta. They run a lot of second tier tournaments.
And my take is I'm loyal to the NFL because
the NFL encompasses all teams, all owners. It is the
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foundational piece of the league, same with the NBA or
Major League Baseball. The PGA essentially was a charity to
get a tax break, and I was more loyal to
Augusta and the US Open at Pebble Beach, Tiger Woods,
Phil Brooks, Kepka. I was always loyal to the golfer,
not the golf course of the PGA. Now Augusta is different.
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I'm loyal to Augusta, and I'm also loyal to every
US Open at Pebble Beach outside of that, I'm not
loyal to courses and I'm not loyal I was never
loyal to anything. So when Live Golf entered the Fray,
my take was, well, if they have the more interesting golfers,
I'll watch those golfers. And that's what's happened with me,
(44:39):
is that I've seen multiple PGA events where I don't
think they have a good enough field. And so, as
you watched this weekend, Phil Micholson obviously had the shot
of the weekend, but as you watched it this weekend,
what was your takeaway about the quality in the field
of the Live Tour.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Well, I think, I mean, they have two of the
best four or five players in the world. And you know,
I would say Bryson has transcended through just sport to
now culturally, I mean YouTube. He's a gigantic star on
YouTube as well. He's just a unique personality and he
is an absolute ass kicker. I mean he's now. Rory
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did not play well last week in Canada. Bryson is
currently the second favorite, right behind At Scotty at eight
to one to win the US Open. He's also the
defending US Open champion John Ram, who had not played
well for like a year and a half in the majors,
showed serious signs of life at the PGA against Scotty.
I mean for last night ole As it felt like
John Ram might win this, which would have been his
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third major. So they got two guys in John Rahm
and Bryson who are when they're on, are as good
as anyone not named Scotty Scheffer and honestly could go
toe to toe with Scotty. I would say the thing
with Phil, you know, they had a reign delay in
DC and he was one shut off the lead and
he threw out a tweet like I got a ten
(46:02):
foot or to type for the lead, and it was like,
it's fun to that Phil. I mean, he's one of
you know, I would say Bryson has become kind of
the modern day Phil. He's just a unique personality that
transcended now. Phil also had Tiger. I would say there's
no one as big as Tiger with Bryson. You could
argue Bryson might even be as big as bigger than Scotty.
(46:23):
But Phil is just a special unique Everyone that falls
sports knows who Phil Mickelson. And the thing with golf,
you know, you just never know, the US Open is
a tournament that Phil has never been able to win. Right,
Rory just wins the Masters, completes the career Grand Slam.
All these tennis players, all the top guys, they they
win all the Grand Slam tournaments. You know, most of
(46:45):
the top golfers of all time have one all four majors.
Phil could never win the US Open, even though he's
finished in the top I think he's finished second like
six times. It'd be cool just one last time, and
I think Phil mends his last one this at the Yeah,
which is you know, kind of sad, but also you know,
you get to a certain point in golf if you're
not making the cuts and you get out, you know,
(47:06):
you don't want to get your ass.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
How do you view if we if you and I
said greatest golfers of all time, Bobby Jones, Jack Nicholas,
Tiger Woods, I love Rory and fit Arnold Palmer.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
I put Arnold Palmer.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
There's then there's guys like Tom Kite who finished second
a million times. Where do you put Michelson?
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, I would say his comp if we were doing
like NFL quarterbacks, would probably be Peyton Manning. Uh, he's
probably one of the most important people that ever played
the sport. He just happened to be at a time
when there was a guy named Tyger Woods like Peyton
had Tom Brady, and I think a lot like Peyton
financial success. I mean, well before liv came around Phil,
(47:51):
remember that that stat like for like ten straight years,
Tiger was the highest paid athlete and Phil was like
always two or three, right ahead of Kobe or Lebron.
So I mean Phil financially was crushed it. You know,
he didn't win till a little bit later, right, I
think he won the Masters when he was like thirty
three thirty four years old, and then the floodgates kind
of opened. He won a bunch of majors. He's definitely
(48:13):
one of the more entertaining. I mean, it's just a
fan of golf, one of the more entertaining golfers, very relatable.
I mean, at any moment, Phil could pump the thing
out of bounds. I mean some of Phil's greatest moments
have been like shots over fans and over trees to
then tap in for birdie. It's not always just splitting
the middle of the fairway and then knocking it to
(48:34):
five feet. I think he's I never watched Arnold Palmer,
but there was an entertainment aspect to Arnold Palmer. I
think Phil, when it comes to the individual sports, tennis
and golf, has got to be one of the greatest
entertainers of all time and per slash personality.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Do you ever read the book I thought it was
great by Alan Shipknock titled Phil The rip Roaring Biography
of Golf's most Colorful Superstar. Did you ever read that?
I never went god, I think you'd love it. I
cannot believe I haven't gotten this for you. You should
go to Amazon or Barnes and.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Noble all down downloaded.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Phil read?
Speaker 1 (49:09):
I read? I read the Billy Walters book. I mean
me and Phil have some commonalities with some more vices.
You know, we like betting on football. So I mean
I actually being in Arizona, I've met some guys that
played with Phil, and I mean they love them. I
mean some of his college teammates are still really close
to him, you know, I mean Phil's Phil's are pretty special.
(49:29):
If this, if we're talking like football or basketball, this
guy was a blue chip talent at like eighteen nineteen
years old. One is an amateur on the PGA tour.
I mean he's had one of the great careers.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I think he looks at the Alan Shipnook book as
a negative. I don't.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
I found it.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Remember when they made Wall Street and Oliver Stone did
not want Gordon Gecko to be a hero. He built
him for the audacity of Wall Street and the grotesque
nature of money is everything. And everybody Young's talked end
up idolizing wanted to be like him. And I think
Phil looks at the Allen Shipnook book as a negative.
(50:07):
I found it made him more relatable. Listen, between food
and gambling and just personality. Phil's a lot, you know
what he's like. He's like a more talented, more disciplined
John Daily that he you know, Daily just could not
control himself at all. Phil has moments where he loses.
He wasn't terribly disciplined, but he was so effing talented,
(50:30):
and he was smart. I mean, Phil's really bright. And
I don't think Daily is necessarily Daily just a little
bit of a mess, but a wildly relatable and entertaining mess.
But when I read the Shipbook book, I recommend it
for everybody. I came out of there it was. I
thought it made Phil likable, like I wasn't bothered, Like
(50:51):
it's not like Phil is trying to tell you I've
always had abs. I've never met football. Phil's never tried.
In fact, I think he sort of leaned in that
he's a little crazy, and I loved it.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah, I mean, I actually think you're right. I mean
Phil's qualities and I think part of the reason Michael
Jordan's still to this day is so popular. You know,
most people can't relate to just winning championship after championship,
but you know, Michael likes to drink, Michael X socialized,
Michael exe party, he likes to gamble. You know, I
think Phil has some of the similarities that it's like,
you know, Phil does a lot of relatable things. And
I think as a golfer, you know, Tiger could just
(51:26):
be so robotic. It was like this guy's just a
lot to win, where Phil, it's like, hey could win
by five or he could double boge double boge seventeen
and eighteen and end up losing in historic fashion. And
that's that's where I think Rory, you know, I think
kind of resonates of just like it can go great
it can go poorly, and you know Bryson. I'm telling
you Colin, I think Bryson US opened this week in
(51:48):
Oakmont is going to be a major, major factor.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah and I yeah. I think Bryson and Shambo did
a really good job to pivot. I thought he was unlikable,
you know, the thirteen eggs, the sixteen power or shakes
in the morning. It was like, bro, I don't need
a bitcoin, bro winning on the PGA Tour, just be normal.
I think he's become incredibly relatable. I think he's great
with fans, which I like. I always thought Tiger was
(52:12):
a bit too aloof with fans. I think Bryson has
really done as good a job as any athlete. And
again it's golf, so I don't know what his marketing
company is. I think he's done as good a job
as any athlete, going from unlikable to likable in a
two year stretch. Like I root for Bryson to Shambo now,
I rooted for Brooks Kepta two years ago. I still
love Brooks, but I think Bryson's the better player now.
(52:35):
Is that that's fair?
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Oh yeah, not even close. I mean I'd say Bryson's
I mean, as we sit here today, is currently that
with Roryton Schambells a little bit, currently the second best
player in the world. I do think you know, the
live you know, he was able to pivot, he went
all in on this YouTube really kind of change. I
also think golf it's become a little it's definitely become
(52:59):
more I would say more in vogue. More popular athletes
now play it. You know, football, basketball, people like it.
But for a long time, you're just very isolated. You're
by yourself. It's not a team game. If you are
a little quirky and weird, which I think you naturally
have to be to just practice NonStop. It's not like
tennis where you need another person to practice with. You
(53:19):
just play golf by yourself. You can just practice by
yourself twenty four to seven. That like, even if you're
a little weird, if you play football and basketball, you're
gonna be around other people and you'll just kind of
mold into just kind of them, right, and just parts
of their personality. We're in golf you can just kind
of stay isolated. And I think the live team element,
I think the YouTube element really kind of changed. And listen,
(53:41):
I think Bryson lightened up. You don't have to be
like Tiger was. I mean, let's face, kind of an asshole.
Kobe could be, Michael could be. When you're kicking everyone's
butt twenty four to seven, three sixty five, no one
really cares. You know, Bryson would go to show up
to the Masters and be like, this is a par
sixty seven and then seventy seven. It's like price, you
can't be saying. So I think he got humbled a
(54:01):
little bit, and I think he's just kind of embraced
maybe the perfect timing of like social media boom. He
just kind of knows how to play it and he's,
let's face it, you hit the ball three in forty
three and fifty yards. I mean, John Daly is still
cool and he's sixty years old. I mean part of
hitting the chicks dig the long ball. I mean, guys
dig the long ball. It's it's cool and he's and
he does that, but he's but he's a great player.
(54:24):
So I think he's got, out of anybody, the best
chance to beat Scotty this weekend at the US Open.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
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