June 16, 2025 • 42 mins
Where Colin was right and where he was wrong
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go our two and a Monday, calling right
wrong in a couple of minutes. You know, I love
whenever NBA fans are NFL fans go Letter of the
law on that SGA Scott Foster play and my takeaway
as always, Oh your letter of the law guy?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Did you drive exact speed limit on the way to work?
Otherwise it's a ticket. Did you come to a full
and complete stop at every stoplight this weekend?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
That it's a ticket.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
People are outraged in America when law enforcement sets up
those red light cameras. Were they mail you tickets? People
are outraged by that. Why it's letter to the law,
your letter of the law guy. That's not the way
life is for all you guys out there, lonely guys,
and there's a lot of you. You may buy your
dinner open her car door. You may be gracious and
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well mannered. She could have decided four minutes into the date.
You ain't it. It's all how it lands. It's all flexible.
Everybody's a little morally flexible. So I don't rush to
the internet to get clicks and pretend we live in
a letter of the law society. It could be politics,
it could be sports. You don't drive the speed limit,
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you don't make a complete stop, so stop going to
the rule book. So we saw it a the US Open,
where you're hitting the ball basically out of a water tunnel.
There's water everywhere. It's like it's interpretation. Life is gray.
It's not black and white. Black and white gets clear.
Life is grey. Parenting is gray. It's gray. I mean,
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I remember when my kids before they were born. You
can't drink wine or have raw seafood while you're pregnant,
explain Japan.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It seems to me that's the diet right, Like, I'm like,
are you serious? Are you were absolutely sure about that?
It's not basically encouraged, But there are cultures where like
raw fish is the absolute delicacy or like the primary
thing people consume. So this whole thing about this is
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the way to parent, and this is the way to officiate,
and this is the way to do business.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I don't buy any of it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I don't buy I don't want perfect abs at sixty
eight years old.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'm going to have ice cream, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And by the way, I'm borderline lactose intolerance, so I'll
get sick. I'm still occasionally gonna have Greek yogurt and
ice cream because I feel like it. So don't give
me letter of the law. Stop with that nouns. That's
the Russell and mj letter of the law. That doesn't count.
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Magic Johnson's career was a series of traveling. None of
them called it's you know, this is entertainment. You're gonna
let him go. In the NFL, I've been saying this
on pass interference, there is so much pushing, grabbing, and
shoving up the sidemon. You could call pass interference every call.
The reason the officials don't flow of the game. That's
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why the NBA lets the players play in the playoffs.
They have a larger audience. Flow of the game, keep
the game moving. You could call you could call a
foul every possession in the NBA, you could call holding
in football every play flow of the game. Their television products,
NBA Finals, Let MJ let Durant, let Lebron, let s.
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Just let them play their pro athletes. They've trained for
this moment. This is not the Olympics. It's not every
four years. We don't have a gun onitors or a
clock on it. That's not what this is. We got
a game in two days, so I'm not bothered by it.
Here we go, Colin right, Colin wrong. On a Monday,
where Colin was right, Caitlin Clark returned and the NBA
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was mesmerizing. It is not anti Beyonce to say Taylor
Swift's tour change the economy. It is not ANTIWNBA to
say when Caitlin Clark plays, this is an incredibly easy
product to consume. They lost fifty five percent in which
he didn't play. She came back. You could not turn
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the TV off. It's not anti anything, it's pro Caitlin Clark.
Where Colin was wrong, I thought I thought the thunder
were in trouble, and they were for much of the
game against Indiana, But in that fourth quarter they answered
the bell with one of the great three minute defensive
stands I have ever seen. Indiana held the one point
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in the final three minutes. It was one of the
most impressive defensive performances for a brief stand that I've
ever seen.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okse won that game.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Regardless of what you think about this non call, where
Colin was right, Shador Sanders, according to Jeremy Fowler ESPN,
made an impression. I don't know how great he's going
to be. I do think he's a franchise quarterback. We
can argue about that, but his go to is his accuracy,
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and in camp he was insanely accurate. People can say, well,
he was playing against backups. Well, soar half the quarterbacks
in the NFL during camp they didn't complete seventy seven percent.
Every backup quarterback in the NFL is playing against backups
in camp? Why did everybody else complete sixty percent? He
completed seventy seven percent Where Colin was right. I did
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not like the New York Knicks firing TIBs. Now they're
down to Mike Brown and Taylor Jenkins, who are fine,
But I always believe it was a personnel issue. That's
why we kept talking about all year to the Knicks
need Giannis or k d Runson and Kat are below
average defenders. Mihale Bridges is inconsistent offensively. Bottom line is
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the New York Knicks. By firing TIBs, I think it's
inarguable will now end up for the worst head coach.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Where Colin was wronged, Okay, J Mack was right.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Team USA throttled Trinidad Tobago five.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It wasn't very pretty, but they did it. You know,
I guess the sky is not falling. I didn't think
it was a very pretty performance, but it's not a
bad outcome considering there's a little bit of noise out
around the United States men's national team.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So I'll take a wrong on that. Where Colin was right.
I always thought.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
John Morant was one mildly entertaining, but I never thought
he was a build around enfranchise guy. Spindilee doesn't shoot
well early in his career, some maturity issues, and I
just I think over the last three years he's hurt
more and shooting more poorly. So I can like him
and think he's a two or a three, but boy,
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when you're talking about a number one in the NBA,
I got to have you play seventy five games I
got to have you there very night, and a lot
of these smaller guards who don't shoot well therefore have
to score at the.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Rim get banged up. Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I've said this for the last couple of years. Joe
Burrow is doing what I wish Andrew Luck would have
done in his career in Indy. He's calling the organization out.
They are playing around with excellent pass rusher Trey Hendrickson,
and Joe Burrow has no problem repeatedly saying yes, it's
a problem.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Is Trey not being here his deal not done?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Is that a distraction?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Of course?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Of course last year we had two, This year we
have one, So we do have less. You'd love to
have none.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
But you know, it's a life in the NFL for
all support and tray and would love for him to
be back. All right, And with that we go live
to Matt Hasselback, who spent nineteen eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I thought I was nineteen? Did am I jipping you in?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Just eighteen? Only eighteen? I'll take nineteen, but only eighteen,
thank you though.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So what Burrow was doing, I like. My only criticism
of Andrew Luck, who I loved was Andrew, You're being
overly optimistic. This is not a good roster. Quit always
taking the blame. Part of leadership is uncomfortable conversations, sometimes
with management, sometimes with teammateser coaches. I have no problem
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with what Burrow's doing, do you?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
He talked about distraction. The distraction for me was looking
at his new hair. Do he looks like Andathy Skywalker?
Which is actually a compliment. I wish I could look
that good, but his hair looked amazing. No, you know,
I think there's a couple of layers to this call.
And I mean the Colts were are, you know, widely
thought of as a first class organization. No expense is spared.
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I mean going back to the days of you know,
obviously Jim or Say, but like Peyton Manning and you know,
like any expense to help this team win. That's just
the reputation of the Colts. That's where Andrew Luck went.
He followed that that's not the reputation of the Cincinnati Bengals. Listen,
I love Cincinnati. I love the Bengals. My family's from Ohio, Cincinnati, Ohio.
But the Bengals just have this reputation of being a
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team that doesn't spend money. I mean, even when I
was coming out in the draft, a lot of scouts
were coming to, you know, work us out, but the
Bengals would send coaches because they didn't have scouts. They
didn't have enough scouts in their scouting department. You know,
they would leave you with media guides. Every other team
there was in color. The Bengals were the last team
in the NFL theirs was in black and white. So
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it's just like this. They do have a little bit
of a reputation that they're going to fight. They're going
to fight in free agency and the they're going to
fight in this situation because they're not paying their best players. Now,
I know they've done it on the offensive side of
the ball. They've done a great job of paying their
quarterback and now two wide receivers. But you know that
is something that they're going to have to deal with.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, So I just said this about shador. I don't
know if he's going to be a great franchise quarterback.
But when I hear this, well, he is playing against backups,
and my take is so or fifty other guys in
camp and they're not completing close to eighty percent. There
is something about him setting a college accuracy record and
then going to camp and doing it again. And man,
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I've said this before, one of the first things I
look for is your best college trait does it translate?
So when t Bow was a great athlete in college
then went to the NFL and couldn't outrun defensive ends,
I'm like, that's trouble because he's not great in the pocket.
Johnny Manziel, Oh, he's running around in college, he couldn't
out run a linebacker in the NF. Well, that's a problem.
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But if your go to is accuracy and you complete
nearly eighty percent in camp, I know it's not the
end of the world, but isn't it fair to say
nobody else in this league is completing that percentage?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah? I think you're onto something there. Listen, the future
is a whole bunch of right now is and that's
all you can do is right now for shudor right
now in college. He did a great job so far
in camp. I've been very impressed. I've been very impressed.
And I'm not somebody that gets, you know, all worked
up over what someone looks like in you know, helmet
and T shirt, but Shador has been very impressive. It's
a really complicated and intriguing quarterback room. Obviously, you've got
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too many guys there right now, never mind the Deshaun
Watson situation, but four guys in that room, when you're
only going to keep two maybe three, someone's got to go,
and all four guys could actually, you know, I think
you could make the argument that all four guys could
give them the best chance as a starter. It's a
really intriguing thing. I don't think Shador necessarily will start early,
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but I wouldn't count him out to a make the
team and then be start at some point during the season.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So, Matt, I've been on this forever. In your career.
You probably played eight nine high school games. You didn't
have seven on seven camps. You weren't throwing year round.
You're probably playing basketball, you doing baseball. That's what we
did so over the last I would say twelve years.
It's a cottage industry, the quarterback position, and therefore as
a sportscaster, I am tougher on quarterbacks now. I used
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to believe you got to give guys three years. I
don't believe that by Thanksgiving of year two I'm gonna
make a decision. You've got ten thousand snaps. You probably
had eight hundred going to the NFL. You know these
guys now have ten thousand with all the summer camps
seven on seven. In personal coaching, I've watched enough Anthony Richardson,
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I don't think it works. And Daniel Jones, there's something there.
I want you to talk about this. If you're Shane Steichen,
what did did you see in New York?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Because I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I didn't love Daniel Jones, but I do think you
have to make calls pretty quickly on this stuff. And
I don't think Anthony Richardson, I know he didn't play
much in college map, but I don't think it works.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I don't think it's close.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Well listen, I mean I saw a report recently they
were talking about like the thirteen new head coach and
new starting quarterback situations, and I would have argued back then,
there's fourteen Indianapolis being that one that people aren't talking about.
And now Anthony Richardson isn't able to throw, he's got
a complication from an AC joint. To me, Daniel Jones
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is going to be the starting quarterback in Indianapolis, no
question about it. I think that this is a chance
for him to reinvent his career. He can have a
Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield, you know, like one of those reinvents.
He's a pretty good runner. And listen Shane Stike and
he's gonna you the you know, think about what he
did with Jalen Hurts and Philly. Daniel Jones is an
underrated runner. He rushed for like seven hundred yards the
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year the Giants went to the playoffs, that playoff season
that they had. I think this is a great opportunity
for Daniel Jones. You know, you remember, like you reminded
a lot of people of the Manning family, obviously Peyton Manning.
With the Indianapolis Colts, you know, that kind of vibe
is what they're used to, that kind of you know,
like I don't know what the right word for it is,
but just like a consistency. I think the upside is
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there with Anthony Richardson, There's no doubt about that, but
there's there's some things that I think give some people
some pause. I don't know if he'll be able to
come back with that organization from from tapping out when
he was out of breath after a scramble. That was
a that was a big misfire to a lot of
people there. So it's an open competition. And one guy's
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healthy right now and the other guy's not.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I want to touch on something before we go today.
So there's something called a sophomore slump. So it wasn't
that Jaden Daniels was good last year. He was historically
like a unicorn like he made He was better than
Patrick Mahomes on most analytics.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And again Andrew.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Luck was great as a rookie, but he threw picks.
Peyton Manning Eli they were very good early, but they
got confused, they threw picks. Jaden Daniels was Joe Burrow
two minutes left, fourth quarter, third fourth downs, and they
call it a sophomore slop. So it's very hard in
a regular season for defensive coordinators to look at all
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your film.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
They have to take previous games.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Do you believe now that everybody, every DC has an
off season they can watch all of Jaden Daniels. Do
you think we'll get the kind of perpetual pullback or
are we looking at somebody that literally is like Burrow
strangely calm, strangely accurate historically, so in the fourth, third down,
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fourth down.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, to me, he was historically awesome. And you know
you mentioned Peyton and Eli. I actually don't think those
two guys started out all that well. They finished super
super strong. But Jaden Daniels to me, was absolutely undeniably
incredible last year. What he and Cliff Kingsbury did was
just I mean it was it was almost hilarious. It
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was almost like, all right, like when's Cinderella going to
turn into a pumpkin here? Like it never really happened.
The only thing I would caution him, I would just like,
he's such a good runner, don't take the hits. I
think he like maybe broke some ribs or like strain
some rib cartilage at some point during the season and
that affected him just a little bit. So like maybe
maybe he just avoid the hits just a little bit
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because you're that valuable. But I think for me, the
only thing that could really get him into that sophomore
slump is if Washington screws up the Terry McLaurin contract situation.
If they don't screw that up, if they get him back,
I think that team is rolling, but look for that
contract to be a thing.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
All right, Matt hassell Beck of a Monday buddy, We
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Thanks see you, Colin.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
All right, yeah, I go back to the Suur Sanders.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
There's there's basically we got thirty two NFL teams, and
most teams know who their starting quarterback is, and then
most teams carry a couple other quarterbacks in the OTAs
in mini camp.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well that means.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
There's if there's thirty two starting quarterbacks in the NFL,
Indy's very rare where they don't have their guy yet,
but it'll be Daniel Jones. But in Cleveland's rare where
they have like four guys. We think it's Flac, Oh,
maybe it's Pickett, whatever, But there's all. There's far more
backups in the NFL than starters. Every team right now
has at least two backups and one starter perceive starter.
So if you got sixty four backups and they're probably
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sixty eight or seventy some number, and Shdor Sanders is
by far and away the most accurate, which is what
he was in college, then then his college skill set
is transitioning and pivoting very nicely to the pros. And
that's one of the first things I look at. If
you had a big arm in college, well let's look
at it. I want to watch it in call. Like
Josh Allen when he was at Wyoming, he wasn't very accurate,
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but there are a couple plays on YouTube from his
college days at Wyoming. You're like, is that the biggest
arm you've ever seen? But he was against Wyoming in
lesser competition. Then he came into the NFL and you're like, yeah, yeah,
he jumps over NFL linebackers too, and he's got the
strongest arm in the NFL. Matt Stafford at Georgia they
used to say, Oh my god, this kid's arm is unbelievable.
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It could be a Major League Baseball pitcher. You got
to the NFL and you're like, yeah, he's got one
of the strongest arms in the NFL. It doesn't always
work that way, but with chadur it's like, why are
all the other backups completing seventy eight percent? That seems
to me like uniquely accomplished. So it's gotta be something.
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As I always say, nothing's everything, everything's something.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
If you're completing.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Almost eighty percent, even in OTAs. That seems high to me.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
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Speaker 1 (19:02):
Rachel Nichols will be joining us at the top of
the hour. Mark de Rosa from the Major League Baseball Network.
People in Boston are freaking out, but they let I mean,
they let Monkey Betts go Rafael Devers now and in
the end now he was. Betts was a shocker because
he was, for me, the classic five tool player, run power, average, glove,
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like you could move him. He came to the infield.
That one's shocking.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
This one.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
The manager and Devs had issues in the spring. He
didn't want to change positions. I don't want to blame him.
But people are outraged in Boston. But my take is, ohay,
sports fans have power. They have to use it collectively, collectively,
and if you keep going to Fenway and you're just
giving up players, it's like, well, okay, don't forget these owners.
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These billionaires have multiple teams. A lot of this stuff
is a line item, and you know, so use your voice,
not only your voice on social media. Don't go to
and white park J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Turn on the news. This is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
All right, gon, let's start with your fourth favorite quarterback
in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers or fifth maybe. Yeah, he's
up there for sure. He made a quick appearance as
Dealers Minnie camp before the team took a break. I'm
sure Aaron will be celebrating his recent Nuptuwels on this break.
But Ben Roethlisberger has chimed in now on Aaron Rodgers
signing and he believes it'll be a one and done
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for the four time MVP.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I don't think he's got much more after this year.
I think this might be it for him. Could personally,
I have no reason. You could ask, well, how do
I don't know. He's coming one year last year off
his achilles. He's probably like I felt pretty good this year,
He's going to be better, like in the sense of
body feeling better. Doesn't mean he will play better. You
never know that. There's a lot of other factors on that.
But he's going to feel better, but doesn't mean that
he's going to have two or three years left.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I think it's just I think what happens is, you
know how so sometimes you don't appreciate something until it's gone.
And when he was in Green Bay, he always had
offensive coaches, he always had offensive lines, and he didn't
have to love Mike McCarthy, but Mike McCarthy in his
history generates nice passing offenses. Go look at the number.
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Dak had his best years with Mike McCarthy. And so
he leaves there and he goes to Sala and Tomlin,
two defensive coaches and defensive cultures, and so you know
what I mean, Like I think Brady was in New
England with a defensive guy, but he appreciated it. I mean,
I don't know Tom well enough, but he would tell
me privately, you know, Belichick's the best defensive coach in
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the history.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Of the league.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I had the offense with Josh McDaniels. But I think
Aaron when he was in Green Bay, did he truly
appreciate the fact that he never had a bad old
line ever in Green Bay? There is outside of Dante
Scarneckia in New England. With Brady, if I said to you,
fifteen year run, no bad offense.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Lines, it was Green Bay and New England.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I think Brady appreciated his more than Aaron maybe appreciated
his because since he's left, Jet's bad online and the
Steelers haven't gotten online right in like eight years.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
It's interesting. So we're watching the end of superstars in
the NBA. Lebron and Curry. Nobody wants to believe they're
still playing at an immensely high level. Everybody's all about them,
we talk about them all the time. And then there's
Aaron Rodgers. And I mean, I don't know about you,
but anybody I talked to football fans, they can't wait
for him to be done. Just retire, it's over. You're
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not very good anymore. You're just more of like an
irritant than anything. At this stage. He's nothing like Curry
and Lebron culturally, Like I believe Aaron Rodgers maybe this
is harsh, is almost damaging his legacy, if you will,
the end. This has been like Colin He hasn't been
good in like three or four years at this point.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Right, Well, generally Michael Jordan and the Wizards disappears into
the ether. Yeah, Like we don't really talk about that
because we all know Jeter Yankees, Kobe Lakers ninety nine
percent Lway Broncos it doesn't end like that, you know,
you bounce around. I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I don't think he'll hurt his legacy. I think.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I think what hurts his legacy more is if you
go back and look at his Green Bay tenure, his
prime wasn't very long relative to Peyton Manning or Drew
Brees or Tom Brady's prime. His prime is closer to
twelve years than fifteen eighteen nineteen. And I think he'll
be able to look at that and reasonably say some
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of that was on Aaron is that he didn't have Now,
he didn't play for three years, but in the end,
he didn't feel quite as committed, fair enough, he didn't
feel quite as committed as the obsessed Breeze obsessed Brady.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
He didn't if Breeze never fell off like this. Even Brett,
forb had the down year with the Jets. I mean
they were good for half to see it was an
amazing Minnesota, but then had in a great, exactly great
second to last year a minute. So I think the
last year was a bit of a train wreck. Aaron
h fast, Yeah, listen, even Peyton Manning. Do you remember
when they won the Super Bowl against the Panthers. I
believe Peyton got benched that season. I'm almost certain with Brackoswiler,
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he had a bad season and then through for like
a buck fifty in the Super Bowl but won the
Super Bowl member in Denver. Yeah, yeah, I mean, like
Aaron's not doing any winning at all.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
I'm out on it. Let's get to a story everybody
cares about. That is Kevin Durant Collins. Listen, two weeks
ago you were out I host that. I said, I'm
just telling you there's not gonna be a big market.
Nobody is giving up prime assets for a guy who's
about to be thirty seven. And oh, by the way,
you're gonna have to pay him a two year, one hundred.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Million dollar condor.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Nobody's doing this, but his agent has been pushing all
these narratives Miami, San Antonio, Houston. Well, guess what the
reporters are saying today, Colin. The market isn't what Phoenix
thought it would be, and things are not looking They're
not getting the offers they wanted, and it's not gonna
be a prize. If Kevin Durant ends up in like
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Toronto to a non contendent.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well, Kevin Durant wants the heat Spurs and Rockets, no
state tax warm Weather. I don't think he's I mean,
anybody those guys would want him. The Rockets is easily
the best fit, older guy, younger roster they've already got
if they can keep Shen Goon.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
By the way, they're not giving up Hiengoon for Kevin Durant.
No shots, no way, I'm giving up ten more years
of Shangun for two of Jabe.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That's all the tables I give you.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Jalen Green, I don't know that they want that. They
already got Devin Booker.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
What are we doing?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Can we play Green and Booker together? So then if
it comes they give us all your young guys and
picks and it's like, we're not doing that. I'm just
telling you, I don't see it going well for k D.
I mean, I'm hearing this Clippers stuff you know they
would love to get.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I saw that. I saw that.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
So you want to pair Kawhi Harden and Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I almost it's weird.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I always had such respect for the Clippers front office.
It's almost like they're going for brands instead of basketball,
like Harden Kawhi New Arena. They're good for brands. They're
always fighting the Lakers for relevancy. But I don't do
they need another old body for the Clippers that you're
not sure if they're going to have gas at the
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end of the year.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I don't love that, but I read it too.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Hey, what about like a Portland, your old stomping grounds,
Like he doesn't want to go, Well, he doesn't want
to go, he does no say in the matter. Portland said, fine,
we'll just rent him to get off a bad contract.
I don't know, man, I'm just telling you. I don't
think any of the contenders won. And final story is
a big win. In baseball, Colin Shoe Aotani is pitching
tonight against the Padres. He's twenty one months removed from
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a second repair of his UCL. He's expected to only
throw one or two innings tonight. Before you go bet
on the game, people just know he ain't pitching long, okay,
So don't go betting on his strikeout total. He's pitching
one or two innings. Here's Dave Roberts on Showy o'tonny.
It's a good thing.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
I think that we've kind of the live situation simulated
or whatever. It's sort of run its course. So he's
ready to, you know, make his debut on the Mountain Show.
He's getting antsy, so which is a good thing for us.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I hope everybody appreciates.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And I understand a big part of sports is tradition,
and I know I'm not seen as a traditionalist. I
would give up the USC Notre Dame tomorrow if it
meant USC could make the playoff. So I'm not your
classic traditionalist. I don't collect stuff. I just hope everybody
realizes that's the best baseball player in the history of
this sport. You are watching something because Babe Ruth and
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no athlete from you know that era can compete today.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
They're just nutrition, they're just not as good.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But this guy is pitching simultaneously and hitting at an
elite level.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He was an ace at an All Star game on
the Mountain. This is just insane.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
He did like fifty steals last year or some ridiculous numbers. No,
it's yes, I mean Colin, here's the and Zach Our,
producer brought up a great point like, what are you
gonna what are you either to do? Put Showhy in
triple A to start to get some starts. You're you're
not doing that, But like I said, it's just not happening,
like I've seen people do it. Well, we're rushing him
or what do you want to triple a? Know what
you do it for? Otanis so like there really isn't
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a path just t I mean, I was thinking middle innings,
but then you've got to pull him out of the
lineup to go to the bullpen and warm up. Nothing
really makes sense. So this seems like a good option
and they're stealing some shine away from that team in
the Bay Area who just made a big splash last night.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
We were talking about Caitlin Clark earlier. If I said
to you, take every athlete and consider everything that if
I told you, wow, they were they just did a
wow play. I mean, I think Caitlyn Clark and O
Tawny who's the third. Like if somebody said you're not
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gonna believe what Blank did. Okay, if somebody said you're
not gonna believe what Kaitlin Clark did, that would be
number one to me today.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You're not gonna.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Believe what O Tawni did. That would be one A
who's three? Because I've seen so much Lebron and Steph,
I don't think they qualify. You know what, I would say, Rory.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Mcelnoy, come again.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Rory McElroy, the golfer, we see him took that decade.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I know, but but I'm saying, if you fill in
the blank, you're not gonna believe what blank did. I
think Caitlyn and o'tanni are won, and maybe there isn't
a three like obviously Steph Curry is. You're not gonna
believe what Curry did. I've seen every shot Curry can make.
But I always feel like with Otani he may do
a Reggie Jackson Jackson Aaron Judge.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
You're not gonna see him hit a ball out of
the stadium like he does crazy stuff. He's amazing, he's
up there.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
But I think that for the Summer League will probably
do something.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I think you're right, that is a good call.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Cooper Fla in the summer League, you're not gonna believe
what Cooper flag did. Remember Zion in the Summer League
or Zion early I was watching their games. I mean
he was putting up Wilt numbers for about a month,
and like the first thing I would do, you'd go
to YouTube what did Zion do in their game? But
it doesn't mean you're the best player. But there are
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these transcendent players. They have these flash moments that are
just more fascinating, and I can go with TV. Oh oh,
Tawny is it's I think I've told you this if
I told you this story. So years ago, Jose Conseego's
in baseball and he's controversial and there's talk about steroids
and whatever. And I am flying into San Diego. It's
(30:43):
the summer. I think I lived in Vegas. I think
I forget and I was in San Diego's airport and
I come down the escalator to the luggage area and
there's a small bar they like to drink in San
Diego by the baggage area, and literally there's thirty people
huddled around the bar and I'm I'm like what, and
I'm coming. I'm walking by it and I look at
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Conseco's back and he was one of those players, the
Jose Canseco for a while and I don't remember this.
There was like, oh, he's I remember going to a
Mariners game and literally paying at the time I shouldn't
have four seats eight, three and four for my my
buddy Dean Braun because jose Canseeco was in town. I mean,
that's kind of the pull he had, and I think
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Otani's got that in.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Caitlyn Clark J mcklanews, Well, that's the news and thanks
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Speaker 1 (33:07):
I remember this term cash and Country cash and country.
I am team Christian poolisic, even though it can agitate
Fox announcers and Team USA that if you look at
a Jokich, what matters to jokis cash, go play in
the world's best league and then country play in the Olympics.
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But when the Foebo World Cup, a basketball version of
the soccer Gold Cup, took place, Jokis was nowhere to
be found. Instead, it was Cam Johnson and Josh Hart
and good players, but not superstars, no Lebron, no staff,
no Jokic. It was young players and emerging players. That's
what it should be in soccer. Similarly, and you do
(33:55):
the opposite of Jokic, you go, you go America to Europe.
Cash first, second country, country being World Cup. But these
sort of second tier or second level tournaments FEBA Basketball
World Cup or the Gold Cup. I mean we're missing.
I could argue seven of our eight Bess players we
(34:17):
won five nothing, And Polisica is just simply saying, guys.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You got to incentivize me here.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
And Stu Holden came on last week and was very
forthright about this.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You get paid.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Playing this, but you don't really get paid doing this.
And maybe that's what needs to happen now.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
These guys are paid millions of dollars in Europe to
play for some of the biggest clubs. If US Soccer,
if the Gold Cup, If Conka cav increased the prize
pool for the Gold Cup and said, hey, you know
for just appearing, you guys get ten million dollars for
participating in the Gold Cup, I would have a pretty
strong feeling that just about every single player would be
(34:59):
on a plane right now, flying and playing in that
first game in a Gold Cup on Sunday in San Jose.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
And I don't think that's selfish. I don't think it's
fair because I will defend Lebron or Steph or Jason Tatum,
Cash and Country everybody when they get more successful in life.
You could be an attorney, you could be an executive.
You're gonna have to say no occasionally because you're gonna
get a lot of options because it's hard to find great,
(35:26):
it's hard to employ great, and so you got to
say no. And I mean, if it's not this, it
would have been smaller tournaments for US. I mean, you
know how many friendlies we play? Is poolitic supposed to
be there for every friendly. He by the way he goes,
I'd play against Swiss and Turkey, who are, by the way,
top twenty five, you know, teams Trinidad Tobagos. I think
a hundredth we're missing our seven best guys. And it
(35:48):
was three nothing like that and five nothing at the
end and we didn't I didn't think we played that well.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna defend the star.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I think. I think our best American soccer star are
now able to star in Europe.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And it's just like in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
It used to be the international players thirty years ago,
like Tony Ku coach were a notch below Scottie Pippen,
a notch below Barkley. They were a notch below Michael
Jordan or a Shawn Camp. You'd have a Tony ku
Coach and he was, you know, thirty years ago or
whatever it was international player. I mean, they were good,
but they weren't taken over the league. Well, I mean,
(36:26):
and that was our soccer players. They could play internationally,
but you know, they weren't changing, they weren't changing outcomes.
Well now polistic now is Ac Malon's best or second
Mets player.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
So it's a whole different ballgame.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
So he's like, yeah, the world changes, I'm gonna pivot
to cash and country, and I'm going to defend the
NBA guys, and I'm going to defend the soccer guys.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Now now, now again.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Landon Donovan and I don't think he's wrong here, says, Okay,
that's fine, but the new manager has to take a stand.
Speaker 10 (36:58):
You had to address it. He I think was ready
to move on. He wanted to move on, guys. But
then your best player and one of the leaders on
your team does an interview publicly and says I wanted
to go, but the coach wouldn't let me, and the
coach didn't want me there. He had to stand up
for himself. One to send a message to Christian, two
to send a message to the team and the pool,
(37:19):
but also for himself.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
You cannot be the coach that gets walked on by
your star player.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
So for his future, everybody's paying attention.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
People are going to possibly hire him though.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
He can't just let his best player walk all over
him like that. He had to respond.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I totally agree, And for years I've said this, I've
always felt the one sport that international soccer is most
closely resembling his basketball. It's a sport of artists. It's
a very creative sport. The stars become incredibly rich and
culturally significant. Messi and Pele and Ronaldo and Mbope and
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Lebron and Steph not all great players. But I don't
feel like baseball feels like the NBA or soccer. But
I always felt there's an artist read of basketball, the
great players of all time, and there's also a cultural
significance to soccer and basketball. I mean, look at all
the money basketball players make on apparel and shoes.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Football guys don't.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Baseball guys can make some shoe or glove money, but
not like basketball. So I do think my comp to
basketball and soccer, I think it's somewhat legitimate, and I'm
I'm And I also think that an international star in
soccer or basketball, you know you don't have twenty two
starters like football or in baseball where a third of
the team's down in the bullpen. You know you have
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one great player can change outcomes in soccer and basketball,
and that's why they're so highly compensated. And I'm going
to support them. So Matt Hasselback a couple of minutes
here before the top of the hour in Rachel Nichols,
Matt Hasselbeck stopped by earlier, and I get I'm getting
a lot of pushback on Shdeor Sanders, And the pushback is, hey, calm,
he's playing against backups. Yes, yeah, he's also throwing the backups.
(39:02):
But there's one thing completing sixty percent of your throw
is throwing the backups, and another thing completing next to
eighty percent throwing the backups. He is the most accurate
quarterback of every OTA in mini camp, just like in
college he was the most accurate quarterback. You would think
(39:23):
Ohio State would have the most accurate quarterback because they
had all the great receivers and they have the great
run game and the great coaching. No, it was Colorado's
with a bad old lineman, no run game. And so
I think the kid's significant. He's doing exactly what he
did in college. I don't know if it means he's
any good in the NFL level, but I do think
he's a franchise quarterback. And I offered that the hassle back,
(39:43):
I said, it's not It'd be one thing if he
was completing sixty two percent and everybody else Joe Flacco
was completing fifty nine percent.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
He's like, he's almost an eighty percent.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Here's Matt so.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Far in camp. I've been very impressed. I've been very impressed.
And I'm not somebody that gets, you know, all worked
up over what someone looks like in you know, helmet
and T shirt. But Shuder has been very impressive. It's
a really complicated and intriguing quarterback room. Four guys in
that room, when you're only going to keep two maybe three,
someone's got to go, and all four guys could actually,
(40:17):
you know, I think you could make the argument that
all four guys could give them the best chance as
a starter. It's a really intriguing thing.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, I'll tell you this the most interesting starter for
the Cleveland Browns. And you may not think that matters,
but with this owner, it matters. The most interesting quarterback.
You know we talked about earlier. If I said, you're
not going to believe what Blank did, oh Tanie Caitlin Clark,
if I said to you a certain quarterback started for
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the Cleveland Browns on the one o'clock window Week two,
and it was the highest rted game in the one
o'clock window. It's not Dylan Gabriel. Nothing against Dylan and
his family. It's not Dylan Gabriel or Kenny Pickett or
Joe Flackell at Shador Sanders. And when you're not a
good team and you have a reasonably impulsive owner who
many suggest was the one that leaned on the front
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office and Kevin Stefanski to draft him, he's.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Going to get a shot.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
These people say it's Kenny Pickett's job to lose. Kenny
Pickett is a nice guy. He's Kenny Pickett. Nobody's turning
on a TV. Nobody's I mean, there's a little bit
of Baker Mayfield. Although I think Baker was a better prospect.
Baker's got a better arm Baker, no question. I didn't
love Baker some of his maturity stuff, but Baker was
a he can still spin it. I don't think Sedur'
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is that good of a prospect, but they have a
similarity in that I couldn't wait to watch Baker Mayfield play.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I wanted to see if.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
It worked out, and then pretty quickly you learned, yeah,
he's a starter in this league. He's a starter, maybe
not top ten, but he's a starter. I think Shadur's
a slightly lesser version of that hour three in a
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go our two and a Monday, calling right
wrong in a couple of minutes. You know, I love
whenever NBA fans are NFL fans go Letter of the
law on that SGA Scott Foster play and my takeaway
as always, Oh your letter of the law guy?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Did you drive exact speed limit on the way to work?
Otherwise it's a ticket. Did you come to a full
and complete stop at every stoplight this weekend?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
That it's a ticket.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
People are outraged in America when law enforcement sets up
those red light cameras. Were they mail you tickets? People
are outraged by that. Why it's letter to the law,
your letter of the law guy. That's not the way
life is for all you guys out there, lonely guys,
and there's a lot of you. You may buy your
dinner open her car door. You may be gracious and
(01:19):
well mannered. She could have decided four minutes into the date.
You ain't it. It's all how it lands. It's all flexible.
Everybody's a little morally flexible. So I don't rush to
the internet to get clicks and pretend we live in
a letter of the law society. It could be politics,
it could be sports. You don't drive the speed limit,
(01:42):
you don't make a complete stop, so stop going to
the rule book. So we saw it a the US Open,
where you're hitting the ball basically out of a water tunnel.
There's water everywhere. It's like it's interpretation. Life is gray.
It's not black and white. Black and white gets clear.
Life is grey. Parenting is gray. It's gray. I mean,
(02:06):
I remember when my kids before they were born. You
can't drink wine or have raw seafood while you're pregnant,
explain Japan.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It seems to me that's the diet right, Like, I'm like,
are you serious? Are you were absolutely sure about that?
It's not basically encouraged, But there are cultures where like
raw fish is the absolute delicacy or like the primary
thing people consume. So this whole thing about this is
(02:41):
the way to parent, and this is the way to officiate,
and this is the way to do business.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I don't buy any of it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I don't buy I don't want perfect abs at sixty
eight years old.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'm going to have ice cream, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And by the way, I'm borderline lactose intolerance, so I'll
get sick. I'm still occasionally gonna have Greek yogurt and
ice cream because I feel like it. So don't give
me letter of the law. Stop with that nouns. That's
the Russell and mj letter of the law. That doesn't count.
(03:15):
Magic Johnson's career was a series of traveling. None of
them called it's you know, this is entertainment. You're gonna
let him go. In the NFL, I've been saying this
on pass interference, there is so much pushing, grabbing, and
shoving up the sidemon. You could call pass interference every call.
The reason the officials don't flow of the game. That's
(03:38):
why the NBA lets the players play in the playoffs.
They have a larger audience. Flow of the game, keep
the game moving. You could call you could call a
foul every possession in the NBA, you could call holding
in football every play flow of the game. Their television products,
NBA Finals, Let MJ let Durant, let Lebron, let s.
(04:00):
Just let them play their pro athletes. They've trained for
this moment. This is not the Olympics. It's not every
four years. We don't have a gun onitors or a
clock on it. That's not what this is. We got
a game in two days, so I'm not bothered by it.
Here we go, Colin right, Colin wrong. On a Monday,
where Colin was right, Caitlin Clark returned and the NBA
(04:22):
was mesmerizing. It is not anti Beyonce to say Taylor
Swift's tour change the economy. It is not ANTIWNBA to
say when Caitlin Clark plays, this is an incredibly easy
product to consume. They lost fifty five percent in which
he didn't play. She came back. You could not turn
(04:43):
the TV off. It's not anti anything, it's pro Caitlin Clark.
Where Colin was wrong, I thought I thought the thunder
were in trouble, and they were for much of the
game against Indiana, But in that fourth quarter they answered
the bell with one of the great three minute defensive
stands I have ever seen. Indiana held the one point
(05:06):
in the final three minutes. It was one of the
most impressive defensive performances for a brief stand that I've
ever seen.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okse won that game.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Regardless of what you think about this non call, where
Colin was right, Shador Sanders, according to Jeremy Fowler ESPN,
made an impression. I don't know how great he's going
to be. I do think he's a franchise quarterback. We
can argue about that, but his go to is his accuracy,
(05:36):
and in camp he was insanely accurate. People can say, well,
he was playing against backups. Well, soar half the quarterbacks
in the NFL during camp they didn't complete seventy seven percent.
Every backup quarterback in the NFL is playing against backups
in camp? Why did everybody else complete sixty percent? He
completed seventy seven percent Where Colin was right. I did
(06:00):
not like the New York Knicks firing TIBs. Now they're
down to Mike Brown and Taylor Jenkins, who are fine,
But I always believe it was a personnel issue. That's
why we kept talking about all year to the Knicks
need Giannis or k d Runson and Kat are below
average defenders. Mihale Bridges is inconsistent offensively. Bottom line is
(06:23):
the New York Knicks. By firing TIBs, I think it's
inarguable will now end up for the worst head coach.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Where Colin was wronged, Okay, J Mack was right.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Team USA throttled Trinidad Tobago five.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It wasn't very pretty, but they did it. You know,
I guess the sky is not falling. I didn't think
it was a very pretty performance, but it's not a
bad outcome considering there's a little bit of noise out
around the United States men's national team.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So I'll take a wrong on that. Where Colin was right.
I always thought.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
John Morant was one mildly entertaining, but I never thought
he was a build around enfranchise guy. Spindilee doesn't shoot
well early in his career, some maturity issues, and I
just I think over the last three years he's hurt
more and shooting more poorly. So I can like him
and think he's a two or a three, but boy,
(07:19):
when you're talking about a number one in the NBA,
I got to have you play seventy five games I
got to have you there very night, and a lot
of these smaller guards who don't shoot well therefore have
to score at the.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Rim get banged up. Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I've said this for the last couple of years. Joe
Burrow is doing what I wish Andrew Luck would have
done in his career in Indy. He's calling the organization out.
They are playing around with excellent pass rusher Trey Hendrickson,
and Joe Burrow has no problem repeatedly saying yes, it's
a problem.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Is Trey not being here his deal not done?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Is that a distraction?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Of course?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Of course last year we had two, This year we
have one, So we do have less. You'd love to
have none.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
But you know, it's a life in the NFL for
all support and tray and would love for him to
be back. All right, And with that we go live
to Matt Hasselback, who spent nineteen eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I thought I was nineteen? Did am I jipping you in?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Just eighteen? Only eighteen? I'll take nineteen, but only eighteen,
thank you though.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So what Burrow was doing, I like. My only criticism
of Andrew Luck, who I loved was Andrew, You're being
overly optimistic. This is not a good roster. Quit always
taking the blame. Part of leadership is uncomfortable conversations, sometimes
with management, sometimes with teammateser coaches. I have no problem
(08:46):
with what Burrow's doing, do you?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
He talked about distraction. The distraction for me was looking
at his new hair. Do he looks like Andathy Skywalker?
Which is actually a compliment. I wish I could look
that good, but his hair looked amazing. No, you know,
I think there's a couple of layers to this call.
And I mean the Colts were are, you know, widely
thought of as a first class organization. No expense is spared.
(09:11):
I mean going back to the days of you know,
obviously Jim or Say, but like Peyton Manning and you know,
like any expense to help this team win. That's just
the reputation of the Colts. That's where Andrew Luck went.
He followed that that's not the reputation of the Cincinnati Bengals. Listen,
I love Cincinnati. I love the Bengals. My family's from Ohio, Cincinnati, Ohio.
But the Bengals just have this reputation of being a
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team that doesn't spend money. I mean, even when I
was coming out in the draft, a lot of scouts
were coming to, you know, work us out, but the
Bengals would send coaches because they didn't have scouts. They
didn't have enough scouts in their scouting department. You know,
they would leave you with media guides. Every other team
there was in color. The Bengals were the last team
in the NFL theirs was in black and white. So
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it's just like this. They do have a little bit
of a reputation that they're going to fight. They're going
to fight in free agency and the they're going to
fight in this situation because they're not paying their best players. Now,
I know they've done it on the offensive side of
the ball. They've done a great job of paying their
quarterback and now two wide receivers. But you know that
is something that they're going to have to deal with.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, So I just said this about shador. I don't
know if he's going to be a great franchise quarterback.
But when I hear this, well, he is playing against backups,
and my take is so or fifty other guys in
camp and they're not completing close to eighty percent. There
is something about him setting a college accuracy record and
then going to camp and doing it again. And man,
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I've said this before, one of the first things I
look for is your best college trait does it translate?
So when t Bow was a great athlete in college
then went to the NFL and couldn't outrun defensive ends,
I'm like, that's trouble because he's not great in the pocket.
Johnny Manziel, Oh, he's running around in college, he couldn't
out run a linebacker in the NF. Well, that's a problem.
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But if your go to is accuracy and you complete
nearly eighty percent in camp, I know it's not the
end of the world, but isn't it fair to say
nobody else in this league is completing that percentage?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah? I think you're onto something there. Listen, the future
is a whole bunch of right now is and that's
all you can do is right now for shudor right
now in college. He did a great job so far
in camp. I've been very impressed. I've been very impressed.
And I'm not somebody that gets, you know, all worked
up over what someone looks like in you know, helmet
and T shirt, but Shador has been very impressive. It's
a really complicated and intriguing quarterback room. Obviously, you've got
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too many guys there right now, never mind the Deshaun
Watson situation, but four guys in that room, when you're
only going to keep two maybe three, someone's got to go,
and all four guys could actually, you know, I think
you could make the argument that all four guys could
give them the best chance as a starter. It's a
really intriguing thing. I don't think Shador necessarily will start early,
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but I wouldn't count him out to a make the
team and then be start at some point during the season.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So, Matt, I've been on this forever. In your career.
You probably played eight nine high school games. You didn't
have seven on seven camps. You weren't throwing year round.
You're probably playing basketball, you doing baseball. That's what we
did so over the last I would say twelve years.
It's a cottage industry, the quarterback position, and therefore as
a sportscaster, I am tougher on quarterbacks now. I used
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to believe you got to give guys three years. I
don't believe that by Thanksgiving of year two I'm gonna
make a decision. You've got ten thousand snaps. You probably
had eight hundred going to the NFL. You know these
guys now have ten thousand with all the summer camps
seven on seven. In personal coaching, I've watched enough Anthony Richardson,
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I don't think it works. And Daniel Jones, there's something there.
I want you to talk about this. If you're Shane Steichen,
what did did you see in New York?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Because I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I didn't love Daniel Jones, but I do think you
have to make calls pretty quickly on this stuff. And
I don't think Anthony Richardson, I know he didn't play
much in college map, but I don't think it works.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I don't think it's close.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Well listen, I mean I saw a report recently they
were talking about like the thirteen new head coach and
new starting quarterback situations, and I would have argued back then,
there's fourteen Indianapolis being that one that people aren't talking about.
And now Anthony Richardson isn't able to throw, he's got
a complication from an AC joint. To me, Daniel Jones
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is going to be the starting quarterback in Indianapolis, no
question about it. I think that this is a chance
for him to reinvent his career. He can have a
Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield, you know, like one of those reinvents.
He's a pretty good runner. And listen Shane Stike and
he's gonna you the you know, think about what he
did with Jalen Hurts and Philly. Daniel Jones is an
underrated runner. He rushed for like seven hundred yards the
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year the Giants went to the playoffs, that playoff season
that they had. I think this is a great opportunity
for Daniel Jones. You know, you remember, like you reminded
a lot of people of the Manning family, obviously Peyton Manning.
With the Indianapolis Colts, you know, that kind of vibe
is what they're used to, that kind of you know,
like I don't know what the right word for it is,
but just like a consistency. I think the upside is
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there with Anthony Richardson, There's no doubt about that, but
there's there's some things that I think give some people
some pause. I don't know if he'll be able to
come back with that organization from from tapping out when
he was out of breath after a scramble. That was
a that was a big misfire to a lot of
people there. So it's an open competition. And one guy's
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healthy right now and the other guy's not.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I want to touch on something before we go today.
So there's something called a sophomore slump. So it wasn't
that Jaden Daniels was good last year. He was historically
like a unicorn like he made He was better than
Patrick Mahomes on most analytics.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And again Andrew.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Luck was great as a rookie, but he threw picks.
Peyton Manning Eli they were very good early, but they
got confused, they threw picks. Jaden Daniels was Joe Burrow
two minutes left, fourth quarter, third fourth downs, and they
call it a sophomore slop. So it's very hard in
a regular season for defensive coordinators to look at all
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your film.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
They have to take previous games.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Do you believe now that everybody, every DC has an
off season they can watch all of Jaden Daniels. Do
you think we'll get the kind of perpetual pullback or
are we looking at somebody that literally is like Burrow
strangely calm, strangely accurate historically, so in the fourth, third down,
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fourth down.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, to me, he was historically awesome. And you know
you mentioned Peyton and Eli. I actually don't think those
two guys started out all that well. They finished super
super strong. But Jaden Daniels to me, was absolutely undeniably
incredible last year. What he and Cliff Kingsbury did was
just I mean it was it was almost hilarious. It
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was almost like, all right, like when's Cinderella going to
turn into a pumpkin here? Like it never really happened.
The only thing I would caution him, I would just like,
he's such a good runner, don't take the hits. I
think he like maybe broke some ribs or like strain
some rib cartilage at some point during the season and
that affected him just a little bit. So like maybe
maybe he just avoid the hits just a little bit
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because you're that valuable. But I think for me, the
only thing that could really get him into that sophomore
slump is if Washington screws up the Terry McLaurin contract situation.
If they don't screw that up, if they get him back,
I think that team is rolling, but look for that
contract to be a thing.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
All right, Matt hassell Beck of a Monday buddy, We
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Thanks see you, Colin.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
All right, yeah, I go back to the Suur Sanders.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
There's there's basically we got thirty two NFL teams, and
most teams know who their starting quarterback is, and then
most teams carry a couple other quarterbacks in the OTAs
in mini camp.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well that means.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
There's if there's thirty two starting quarterbacks in the NFL,
Indy's very rare where they don't have their guy yet,
but it'll be Daniel Jones. But in Cleveland's rare where
they have like four guys. We think it's Flac, Oh,
maybe it's Pickett, whatever, But there's all. There's far more
backups in the NFL than starters. Every team right now
has at least two backups and one starter perceive starter.
So if you got sixty four backups and they're probably
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sixty eight or seventy some number, and Shdor Sanders is
by far and away the most accurate, which is what
he was in college, then then his college skill set
is transitioning and pivoting very nicely to the pros. And
that's one of the first things I look at. If
you had a big arm in college, well let's look
at it. I want to watch it in call. Like
Josh Allen when he was at Wyoming, he wasn't very accurate,
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but there are a couple plays on YouTube from his
college days at Wyoming. You're like, is that the biggest
arm you've ever seen? But he was against Wyoming in
lesser competition. Then he came into the NFL and you're like, yeah, yeah,
he jumps over NFL linebackers too, and he's got the
strongest arm in the NFL. Matt Stafford at Georgia they
used to say, Oh my god, this kid's arm is unbelievable.
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It could be a Major League Baseball pitcher. You got
to the NFL and you're like, yeah, he's got one
of the strongest arms in the NFL. It doesn't always
work that way, but with chadur it's like, why are
all the other backups completing seventy eight percent? That seems
to me like uniquely accomplished. So it's gotta be something.
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As I always say, nothing's everything, everything's something.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
If you're completing.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Almost eighty percent, even in OTAs. That seems high to me.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
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Speaker 1 (19:02):
Rachel Nichols will be joining us at the top of
the hour. Mark de Rosa from the Major League Baseball Network.
People in Boston are freaking out, but they let I mean,
they let Monkey Betts go Rafael Devers now and in
the end now he was. Betts was a shocker because
he was, for me, the classic five tool player, run power, average, glove,
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like you could move him. He came to the infield.
That one's shocking.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
This one.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
The manager and Devs had issues in the spring. He
didn't want to change positions. I don't want to blame him.
But people are outraged in Boston. But my take is, ohay,
sports fans have power. They have to use it collectively, collectively,
and if you keep going to Fenway and you're just
giving up players, it's like, well, okay, don't forget these owners.
(19:49):
These billionaires have multiple teams. A lot of this stuff
is a line item, and you know, so use your voice,
not only your voice on social media. Don't go to
and white park J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Turn on the news. This is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
All right, gon, let's start with your fourth favorite quarterback
in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers or fifth maybe. Yeah, he's
up there for sure. He made a quick appearance as
Dealers Minnie camp before the team took a break. I'm
sure Aaron will be celebrating his recent Nuptuwels on this break.
But Ben Roethlisberger has chimed in now on Aaron Rodgers
signing and he believes it'll be a one and done
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for the four time MVP.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I don't think he's got much more after this year.
I think this might be it for him. Could personally,
I have no reason. You could ask, well, how do
I don't know. He's coming one year last year off
his achilles. He's probably like I felt pretty good this year,
He's going to be better, like in the sense of
body feeling better. Doesn't mean he will play better. You
never know that. There's a lot of other factors on that.
But he's going to feel better, but doesn't mean that
he's going to have two or three years left.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I think it's just I think what happens is, you
know how so sometimes you don't appreciate something until it's gone.
And when he was in Green Bay, he always had
offensive coaches, he always had offensive lines, and he didn't
have to love Mike McCarthy, but Mike McCarthy in his
history generates nice passing offenses. Go look at the number.
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Dak had his best years with Mike McCarthy. And so
he leaves there and he goes to Sala and Tomlin,
two defensive coaches and defensive cultures, and so you know
what I mean, Like I think Brady was in New
England with a defensive guy, but he appreciated it. I mean,
I don't know Tom well enough, but he would tell
me privately, you know, Belichick's the best defensive coach in
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the history.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Of the league.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I had the offense with Josh McDaniels. But I think
Aaron when he was in Green Bay, did he truly
appreciate the fact that he never had a bad old
line ever in Green Bay? There is outside of Dante
Scarneckia in New England. With Brady, if I said to you,
fifteen year run, no bad offense.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Lines, it was Green Bay and New England.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I think Brady appreciated his more than Aaron maybe appreciated
his because since he's left, Jet's bad online and the
Steelers haven't gotten online right in like eight years.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
It's interesting. So we're watching the end of superstars in
the NBA. Lebron and Curry. Nobody wants to believe they're
still playing at an immensely high level. Everybody's all about them,
we talk about them all the time. And then there's
Aaron Rodgers. And I mean, I don't know about you,
but anybody I talked to football fans, they can't wait
for him to be done. Just retire, it's over. You're
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not very good anymore. You're just more of like an
irritant than anything. At this stage. He's nothing like Curry
and Lebron culturally, Like I believe Aaron Rodgers maybe this
is harsh, is almost damaging his legacy, if you will,
the end. This has been like Colin He hasn't been
good in like three or four years at this point.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Right, Well, generally Michael Jordan and the Wizards disappears into
the ether. Yeah, Like we don't really talk about that
because we all know Jeter Yankees, Kobe Lakers ninety nine
percent Lway Broncos it doesn't end like that, you know,
you bounce around. I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I don't think he'll hurt his legacy. I think.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I think what hurts his legacy more is if you
go back and look at his Green Bay tenure, his
prime wasn't very long relative to Peyton Manning or Drew
Brees or Tom Brady's prime. His prime is closer to
twelve years than fifteen eighteen nineteen. And I think he'll
be able to look at that and reasonably say some
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of that was on Aaron is that he didn't have Now,
he didn't play for three years, but in the end,
he didn't feel quite as committed, fair enough, he didn't
feel quite as committed as the obsessed Breeze obsessed Brady.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
He didn't if Breeze never fell off like this. Even Brett,
forb had the down year with the Jets. I mean
they were good for half to see it was an
amazing Minnesota, but then had in a great, exactly great
second to last year a minute. So I think the
last year was a bit of a train wreck. Aaron
h fast, Yeah, listen, even Peyton Manning. Do you remember
when they won the Super Bowl against the Panthers. I
believe Peyton got benched that season. I'm almost certain with Brackoswiler,
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he had a bad season and then through for like
a buck fifty in the Super Bowl but won the
Super Bowl member in Denver. Yeah, yeah, I mean, like
Aaron's not doing any winning at all.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
I'm out on it. Let's get to a story everybody
cares about. That is Kevin Durant Collins. Listen, two weeks
ago you were out I host that. I said, I'm
just telling you there's not gonna be a big market.
Nobody is giving up prime assets for a guy who's
about to be thirty seven. And oh, by the way,
you're gonna have to pay him a two year, one hundred.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Million dollar condor.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Nobody's doing this, but his agent has been pushing all
these narratives Miami, San Antonio, Houston. Well, guess what the
reporters are saying today, Colin. The market isn't what Phoenix
thought it would be, and things are not looking They're
not getting the offers they wanted, and it's not gonna
be a prize. If Kevin Durant ends up in like
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Toronto to a non contendent.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well, Kevin Durant wants the heat Spurs and Rockets, no
state tax warm Weather. I don't think he's I mean,
anybody those guys would want him. The Rockets is easily
the best fit, older guy, younger roster they've already got
if they can keep Shen Goon.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
By the way, they're not giving up Hiengoon for Kevin Durant.
No shots, no way, I'm giving up ten more years
of Shangun for two of Jabe.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That's all the tables I give you.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Jalen Green, I don't know that they want that. They
already got Devin Booker.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
What are we doing?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Can we play Green and Booker together? So then if
it comes they give us all your young guys and
picks and it's like, we're not doing that. I'm just
telling you, I don't see it going well for k D.
I mean, I'm hearing this Clippers stuff you know they
would love to get.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I saw that. I saw that.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
So you want to pair Kawhi Harden and Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I almost it's weird.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I always had such respect for the Clippers front office.
It's almost like they're going for brands instead of basketball,
like Harden Kawhi New Arena. They're good for brands. They're
always fighting the Lakers for relevancy. But I don't do
they need another old body for the Clippers that you're
not sure if they're going to have gas at the
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end of the year.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I don't love that, but I read it too.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Hey, what about like a Portland, your old stomping grounds,
Like he doesn't want to go, Well, he doesn't want
to go, he does no say in the matter. Portland said, fine,
we'll just rent him to get off a bad contract.
I don't know, man, I'm just telling you. I don't
think any of the contenders won. And final story is
a big win. In baseball, Colin Shoe Aotani is pitching
tonight against the Padres. He's twenty one months removed from
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a second repair of his UCL. He's expected to only
throw one or two innings tonight. Before you go bet
on the game, people just know he ain't pitching long, okay,
So don't go betting on his strikeout total. He's pitching
one or two innings. Here's Dave Roberts on Showy o'tonny.
It's a good thing.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
I think that we've kind of the live situation simulated
or whatever. It's sort of run its course. So he's
ready to, you know, make his debut on the Mountain Show.
He's getting antsy, so which is a good thing for us.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I hope everybody appreciates.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And I understand a big part of sports is tradition,
and I know I'm not seen as a traditionalist. I
would give up the USC Notre Dame tomorrow if it
meant USC could make the playoff. So I'm not your
classic traditionalist. I don't collect stuff. I just hope everybody
realizes that's the best baseball player in the history of
this sport. You are watching something because Babe Ruth and
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no athlete from you know that era can compete today.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
They're just nutrition, they're just not as good.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But this guy is pitching simultaneously and hitting at an
elite level.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He was an ace at an All Star game on
the Mountain. This is just insane.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
He did like fifty steals last year or some ridiculous numbers. No,
it's yes, I mean Colin, here's the and Zach Our,
producer brought up a great point like, what are you
gonna what are you either to do? Put Showhy in
triple A to start to get some starts. You're you're
not doing that, But like I said, it's just not happening,
like I've seen people do it. Well, we're rushing him
or what do you want to triple a? Know what
you do it for? Otanis so like there really isn't
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a path just t I mean, I was thinking middle innings,
but then you've got to pull him out of the
lineup to go to the bullpen and warm up. Nothing
really makes sense. So this seems like a good option
and they're stealing some shine away from that team in
the Bay Area who just made a big splash last night.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
We were talking about Caitlin Clark earlier. If I said
to you, take every athlete and consider everything that if
I told you, wow, they were they just did a
wow play. I mean, I think Caitlyn Clark and O
Tawny who's the third. Like if somebody said you're not
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gonna believe what Blank did. Okay, if somebody said you're
not gonna believe what Kaitlin Clark did, that would be
number one to me today.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You're not gonna.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Believe what O Tawni did. That would be one A
who's three? Because I've seen so much Lebron and Steph,
I don't think they qualify. You know what, I would say, Rory.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Mcelnoy, come again.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Rory McElroy, the golfer, we see him took that decade.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I know, but but I'm saying, if you fill in
the blank, you're not gonna believe what blank did. I
think Caitlyn and o'tanni are won, and maybe there isn't
a three like obviously Steph Curry is. You're not gonna
believe what Curry did. I've seen every shot Curry can make.
But I always feel like with Otani he may do
a Reggie Jackson Jackson Aaron Judge.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
You're not gonna see him hit a ball out of
the stadium like he does crazy stuff. He's amazing, he's
up there.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
But I think that for the Summer League will probably
do something.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I think you're right, that is a good call.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Cooper Fla in the summer League, you're not gonna believe
what Cooper flag did. Remember Zion in the Summer League
or Zion early I was watching their games. I mean
he was putting up Wilt numbers for about a month,
and like the first thing I would do, you'd go
to YouTube what did Zion do in their game? But
it doesn't mean you're the best player. But there are
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these transcendent players. They have these flash moments that are
just more fascinating, and I can go with TV. Oh oh,
Tawny is it's I think I've told you this if
I told you this story. So years ago, Jose Conseego's
in baseball and he's controversial and there's talk about steroids
and whatever. And I am flying into San Diego. It's
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the summer. I think I lived in Vegas. I think
I forget and I was in San Diego's airport and
I come down the escalator to the luggage area and
there's a small bar they like to drink in San
Diego by the baggage area, and literally there's thirty people
huddled around the bar and I'm I'm like what, and
I'm coming. I'm walking by it and I look at
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Conseco's back and he was one of those players, the
Jose Canseco for a while and I don't remember this.
There was like, oh, he's I remember going to a
Mariners game and literally paying at the time I shouldn't
have four seats eight, three and four for my my
buddy Dean Braun because jose Canseeco was in town. I mean,
that's kind of the pull he had, and I think
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Otani's got that in.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Caitlyn Clark J mcklanews, Well, that's the news and thanks
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Speaker 1 (33:07):
I remember this term cash and Country cash and country.
I am team Christian poolisic, even though it can agitate
Fox announcers and Team USA that if you look at
a Jokich, what matters to jokis cash, go play in
the world's best league and then country play in the Olympics.
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But when the Foebo World Cup, a basketball version of
the soccer Gold Cup, took place, Jokis was nowhere to
be found. Instead, it was Cam Johnson and Josh Hart
and good players, but not superstars, no Lebron, no staff,
no Jokic. It was young players and emerging players. That's
what it should be in soccer. Similarly, and you do
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the opposite of Jokic, you go, you go America to Europe.
Cash first, second country, country being World Cup. But these
sort of second tier or second level tournaments FEBA Basketball
World Cup or the Gold Cup. I mean we're missing.
I could argue seven of our eight Bess players we
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won five nothing, And Polisica is just simply saying, guys.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You got to incentivize me here.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
And Stu Holden came on last week and was very
forthright about this.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You get paid.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Playing this, but you don't really get paid doing this.
And maybe that's what needs to happen now.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
These guys are paid millions of dollars in Europe to
play for some of the biggest clubs. If US Soccer,
if the Gold Cup, If Conka cav increased the prize
pool for the Gold Cup and said, hey, you know
for just appearing, you guys get ten million dollars for
participating in the Gold Cup, I would have a pretty
strong feeling that just about every single player would be
(34:59):
on a plane right now, flying and playing in that
first game in a Gold Cup on Sunday in San Jose.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
And I don't think that's selfish. I don't think it's
fair because I will defend Lebron or Steph or Jason Tatum,
Cash and Country everybody when they get more successful in life.
You could be an attorney, you could be an executive.
You're gonna have to say no occasionally because you're gonna
get a lot of options because it's hard to find great,
(35:26):
it's hard to employ great, and so you got to
say no. And I mean, if it's not this, it
would have been smaller tournaments for US. I mean, you
know how many friendlies we play? Is poolitic supposed to
be there for every friendly. He by the way he goes,
I'd play against Swiss and Turkey, who are, by the way,
top twenty five, you know, teams Trinidad Tobagos. I think
a hundredth we're missing our seven best guys. And it
(35:48):
was three nothing like that and five nothing at the
end and we didn't I didn't think we played that well.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna defend the star.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I think. I think our best American soccer star are
now able to star in Europe.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And it's just like in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
It used to be the international players thirty years ago,
like Tony Ku coach were a notch below Scottie Pippen,
a notch below Barkley. They were a notch below Michael
Jordan or a Shawn Camp. You'd have a Tony ku
Coach and he was, you know, thirty years ago or
whatever it was international player. I mean, they were good,
but they weren't taken over the league. Well, I mean,
(36:26):
and that was our soccer players. They could play internationally,
but you know, they weren't changing, they weren't changing outcomes.
Well now polistic now is Ac Malon's best or second
Mets player.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
So it's a whole different ballgame.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
So he's like, yeah, the world changes, I'm gonna pivot
to cash and country, and I'm going to defend the
NBA guys, and I'm going to defend the soccer guys.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Now now, now again.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Landon Donovan and I don't think he's wrong here, says, Okay,
that's fine, but the new manager has to take a stand.
Speaker 10 (36:58):
You had to address it. He I think was ready
to move on. He wanted to move on, guys. But
then your best player and one of the leaders on
your team does an interview publicly and says I wanted
to go, but the coach wouldn't let me, and the
coach didn't want me there. He had to stand up
for himself. One to send a message to Christian, two
to send a message to the team and the pool,
(37:19):
but also for himself.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
You cannot be the coach that gets walked on by
your star player.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
So for his future, everybody's paying attention.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
People are going to possibly hire him though.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
He can't just let his best player walk all over
him like that. He had to respond.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I totally agree, And for years I've said this, I've
always felt the one sport that international soccer is most
closely resembling his basketball. It's a sport of artists. It's
a very creative sport. The stars become incredibly rich and
culturally significant. Messi and Pele and Ronaldo and Mbope and
(37:57):
Lebron and Steph not all great players. But I don't
feel like baseball feels like the NBA or soccer. But
I always felt there's an artist read of basketball, the
great players of all time, and there's also a cultural
significance to soccer and basketball. I mean, look at all
the money basketball players make on apparel and shoes.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Football guys don't.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Baseball guys can make some shoe or glove money, but
not like basketball. So I do think my comp to
basketball and soccer, I think it's somewhat legitimate, and I'm
I'm And I also think that an international star in
soccer or basketball, you know you don't have twenty two
starters like football or in baseball where a third of
the team's down in the bullpen. You know you have
(38:39):
one great player can change outcomes in soccer and basketball,
and that's why they're so highly compensated. And I'm going
to support them. So Matt Hasselback a couple of minutes
here before the top of the hour in Rachel Nichols,
Matt Hasselbeck stopped by earlier, and I get I'm getting
a lot of pushback on Shdeor Sanders, And the pushback is, hey, calm,
he's playing against backups. Yes, yeah, he's also throwing the backups.
(39:02):
But there's one thing completing sixty percent of your throw
is throwing the backups, and another thing completing next to
eighty percent throwing the backups. He is the most accurate
quarterback of every OTA in mini camp, just like in
college he was the most accurate quarterback. You would think
(39:23):
Ohio State would have the most accurate quarterback because they
had all the great receivers and they have the great
run game and the great coaching. No, it was Colorado's
with a bad old lineman, no run game. And so
I think the kid's significant. He's doing exactly what he
did in college. I don't know if it means he's
any good in the NFL level, but I do think
he's a franchise quarterback. And I offered that the hassle back,
(39:43):
I said, it's not It'd be one thing if he
was completing sixty two percent and everybody else Joe Flacco
was completing fifty nine percent.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
He's like, he's almost an eighty percent.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Here's Matt so.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Far in camp. I've been very impressed. I've been very impressed.
And I'm not somebody that gets, you know, all worked
up over what someone looks like in you know, helmet
and T shirt. But Shuder has been very impressive. It's
a really complicated and intriguing quarterback room. Four guys in
that room, when you're only going to keep two maybe three,
someone's got to go, and all four guys could actually,
(40:17):
you know, I think you could make the argument that
all four guys could give them the best chance as
a starter. It's a really intriguing thing.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, I'll tell you this the most interesting starter for
the Cleveland Browns. And you may not think that matters,
but with this owner, it matters. The most interesting quarterback.
You know we talked about earlier. If I said, you're
not going to believe what Blank did, oh Tanie Caitlin Clark,
if I said to you a certain quarterback started for
(40:46):
the Cleveland Browns on the one o'clock window Week two,
and it was the highest rted game in the one
o'clock window. It's not Dylan Gabriel. Nothing against Dylan and
his family. It's not Dylan Gabriel or Kenny Pickett or
Joe Flackell at Shador Sanders. And when you're not a
good team and you have a reasonably impulsive owner who
many suggest was the one that leaned on the front
(41:08):
office and Kevin Stefanski to draft him, he's.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Going to get a shot.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
These people say it's Kenny Pickett's job to lose. Kenny
Pickett is a nice guy. He's Kenny Pickett. Nobody's turning
on a TV. Nobody's I mean, there's a little bit
of Baker Mayfield. Although I think Baker was a better prospect.
Baker's got a better arm Baker, no question. I didn't
love Baker some of his maturity stuff, but Baker was
a he can still spin it. I don't think Sedur'
(41:35):
is that good of a prospect, but they have a
similarity in that I couldn't wait to watch Baker Mayfield play.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I wanted to see if.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
It worked out, and then pretty quickly you learned, yeah,
he's a starter in this league. He's a starter, maybe
not top ten, but he's a starter. I think Shadur's
a slightly lesser version of that hour three in a
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