June 17, 2025 • 41 mins
Following Shohei Ohtani’s return to the pitching mound, Colin unveils his “Mount Just-More” listing all-time great athletes who are clearly above their contemporaries
Caitlin Clark is already on her way to becoming one of the most recognizable athletes in the world
Guest: Nick Wright
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Welcome in.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It is our two. It is great to have you in.
This is the Herd. Nick Wright in five minutes. So
Jmac Show Heo Toni. We talked about this yesterday, yes
about Howie. What was the thing we talked about yesterday?
We said, if I said to you, you're not gonna
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believe what Blank did in sports. The two people I
would put in there are Caitlin Clark and show Heo
Toni Katel. Clark had thirty eight seconds this weekend at
the WNBA. It was the greatest, most exhilarating thirty eight
seconds in WNBA history. She was shooting thirty three footers,
bang bang bang, demanding the ball. It was it didn't
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look real, okay. So Oh Tawi pitch last night against
the Podres. By the way, he is now pitching and
hitting the Podres sent out their ace because he's pitching.
He came up to face the race, no practice wings.
He threw over one hundred miles an hour, and Dave
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Roberts is to a point now where he is the
Dodgers manager, but he acknowledges it's hard not to just
be a fan of show.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Hey, o Tani, I thought the stuff was really good,
much better as far as the fastball velocity than I
think anyone anticipated hit one hundred. You know, I was
thinking ninety five to ninety seven. But I think that
just a competitor adrenaline came out in him to see
him come into the dugout from the pen and all
that stuff. I was kind of fan boying for like
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half an inning.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So even in high school baseball, kids become what they
call pos pitchers only like like we know in baseball
that how taxing just pitching is. I mean, you'll often
hear this in the postseason. I don't know if we
could throw Verlander on short rest, you know what, rech
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rest Otani gets four and a half minutes in the
dugout until he's hitting. I mean, it's insane that he
is an ace in twenty twenty five with how specialized
pitching is. This is Dereck Henry of the Ravens being
the leading tackler for Baltimore linebacker or Patrick Mahomes being
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the top edge rusher in the conference.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean, just insane.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
He is the best player in Bade the gap between
Otawi and the second Bay best base player, and that
second best player maybe Mookie Betts. And even he gets
engulfed by the gravitas and the talent of O Tawny.
And you know a lot of times you hear about
the Mount Rushmore would there are a handful of athletes
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I would call them they make the mount just more.
They're just more than even the second best person in
their sport. Michael Phelps would be on my mount just more.
Ten more Olympic medals than anybody else, fourteen more gold
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medals than anybody else. When I was a kid growing up,
it was like Mark Spitz, I mean, it's an afterthought.
And by the way, if you're saying, well, how come
there are so many faces? That's why it's called Mount
just Moore. We even have just more faces. Number two
would be Usain Bolt, three straight Olympics, one hundred and
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two hundred meter champion three consecutive Olympics. As an old man,
he was the world's fastest guy in two events. I
would say Wayne Gretzky at one point eight straight MVPs,
Wayne Gretzky would be on the mount, Just Moore. That's
like when he's twenty three years old. Also, he still
holds fifty five NHL records. Now think about how fast
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Hawky is, how international it is, and how good the
athletes are. He still shares or holds fifty five career
NHL records. Serena Williams in the open era twenty three
more major women's singles title than anybody else. And by
the way, a dominant doubles player singles doubles dominant Tiger
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Wood's highest career earnings, lowest career average, and literally change courses.
I think it's fair to say he changed equipment and
changed courses. And I think then you have to go
on my mount, Just Moore. It's got to be el Tawi.
In a specialized world of sports, we're in high school.
If a guy is a great pitcher, that's just what
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he's gonna do. First player, And oh, by the way,
he's not only a great hitter, He's not only an ace,
he'll steal your fifty four bases. I mean, it's just
insane what Otani does last night. He's pitching, goes to
the dugout comes out, Padre is throwing their ace.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He don't even warm off. He just goes pitching. Boom,
gloves off. I'm gonna go hit.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
There's just nothing like it. I mean even even Dave Roberts.
I'm gonna fanboy a little bit. And with that, Nick
Wright is joining us live. First things first, Oh kind
of felt like that was that was oh to Nick Wright?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That was a Nick Wright segment?
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Well, yeah, I mean I wouldn't have had six people
on a Mount Rushmore to start with.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
You could have just you could have just taken.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Your middle four can I can I do my bi annual.
It's not anti Michael Phelps, but it's anti swim metal
inflation rant if I may, how many ever, how come
it's the craziest thing. The greatest Olympian ever was a swimmer,
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and now the greatest Olympian ever is a swimmer. You
know why because they don't tell you, say bolt, hey, buddy,
you can win five gold.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Medals in the hundred run. It backwards run it.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Forwards hopskit Like, it's such a farce, this idea that
because like Simone, Biles has a limited amount of medals
she can win, Bolt has a limited number of medals.
The swimmers, it's the same distance, four different strokes. So
that's so I'd clip him and on Otani. Here's my
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only question for you, Colin, because he hasn't pitched in.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
A couple of years.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Until we see him return to be a regular dominant pitcher,
hasn't his place forget a top mount just more in
history right now, this moment, He's not the best player
in baseball Aaron Judges, right, because Judge has been demonstrably
a better hitter this year, Like, I mean, he just
has been.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
If we want to hold the postseason stuff, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Like the whole idea of Otani is you're getting a
pitching and a hitting or a plus and a minus,
whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
I need him to start pitching again.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
I know he threw the inning last night, but before
he gets elevated there or I mean you're you're ready,
I mean I know you already you coined better than Babe,
which was great, but you know this year, I don't
know that he's been better than Betts because he's just
playing the one position.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
So is that is that not fair?
Speaker 7 (07:47):
Well?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I mean it's like, I mean, the way I look
at it was, he was an ace in an All
Star game. I don't need twenty years of being a
dominant pitcher. If if one year, if one year Mahomes
made the Pro Bowl as a corner cover, I'd be like,
I don't need a second that that that's fair?
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Well, then listen, you might need to adge out. Maybe
you can.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
If you're leaving it at six, maybe you can remove
get ready to remove Phelps for my guy Travis Hunter,
because my guy Trevor.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Lawrence about to help him be an All Pro.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Receiver and you just want to see moments of brilliance
playing both ways.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
So maybe Travis can take that next spot.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, hopefully could play a game before we anoint him
to that position.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Okay, So well, Otani pitched one inning last night, and
you've got him.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
As the best player in baseball again.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Again because he's previously been an ace at an All Star.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
It's fair, that's fair. I suppose that's fair.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So J Mack and I again as an elder statesman,
at this network. I do believe that basketball is better
today than ever, but we have to acknowledge that that
the Michael Jordan's Bulls were also the best defensive team,
and Katie instead Spools were the best defensive team, and
Belichick beat the fastest show on turf. And what we
have is a history Sabans dynasty. If you put a
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great offense to the great defense together, the defense almost
always wins. In Indiana, Hot Knife through Butter Milwaukee, Cleveland Knicks,
they look disjointed, they look off. Now, some of it's Halliburton,
but I'm watching an Oklahoma City defense. This has got
a leg in a boomfield.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
They are.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
They can press you at half court, press you on
the perimeter, rim protection.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think we have to give them credit.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
This does look almost collegiate in effort and switchability.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
That one hundred percent correct. And I came on with
you a few weeks ago, and listen, I haven't gotten
much right about these NBA playoffs, but my belief in
Oklahoma City is maybe the one thing that I have
gotten right. Once the Lakers got eliminated, and what I
said to you a couple of weeks ago is they
are unlike any team in the last twenty years in
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their ability to go on these twelve to two or
fourteen to two runs that are based purely on steals.
That it is not they hit a bunch of threes,
it is not the offense gets hot. It's that they
can have these game changing runs based on their defense
and their ability to throw waves of good defenders at you.
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I also think the Legion of Boom comp is apropos
because they also do something those guys did, which was
we are going to play with such a level of
physicality from the opening whistle of the game that we
are going to put the refs in an impossible position
where you are either going to grind the game to
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a holt in the opening four minutes, or we are
going to set the precedent that Dort and Crusoe when
he comes in, and Jalen Williams and Cason Wallace, all
these guys, we are just going to bring back hand check,
a bring back body bumping, and we're going to rough
you up somewhat like what the Leaves of Booms Secondary
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did with kind of illegal contact, to where even if
we get called it a.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Few times a game, it's worth it. So listen.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Defensively, they're great. Shae is having from a scoring perspective,
a really special not just postseason, not just season, but
couple of seasons.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Likes.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
The list of guards to average more points in a
season than Shae the last couple of years.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
You can count on one hand.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And then you add Jalen Williams, who became just I
think the sixth guy ever to be the second best
player on a team and drop forty in a finals game.
It's a you know, Scotty Fippen his whole career in
Chicago Colin never scored more than thirty two.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
In a finals game.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Kobe scored forty in a finals game one, and it
was in nine when Shack was gone. D Wade never
scored forty as a second option in the finals. It's
really special what Jalen Williams did yesterday, and it opens
makes their ceiling even higher.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
So yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Am wildly impressed by their defense and Jalen Williams, who
was fairly the object of a lot of scrutiny after
last year's Round two loss to Dallas when he didn't
play well, and then midway through Round two this year
when it looked like they might lose to Denver. He
was going to be object of scrutiny again. He had
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a four for nineteen of five for eighteen some rough games.
Since game seven of Round two, he's been excellent and
these last three games he's been brilliant, and now they're
gonna win the championship.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I got a lot of things I could ask you
about right here, and I'm looking at him in summer
interesting some night.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Throw it to the interesting ones. Let's just you know what,
Let's just do the interesting ones.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So I was never a jamorant guy. And the maturity stuff,
I wasn't too critical of him, because you know, in football,
in baseball you have to go through the minor leagues.
You com in a little more mature. In football, you
can't even get to the NFL. A lot of these
kids are eighteen nineteen. At eighteen nineteen, I was pulling
fire alarms in high school, like we're all idiots, right.
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But I will say this, I've always had this theory
that if you're a small player, you gotta be able
to shoot. I didn't buy John Wall, Derreck Rose Jahn,
Morant Stevie Francis. I bought Nash and Curry because without
the hand check, if you can't shoot, you got to
score at the rim, and you're going up against Redwoods,
you're gonna get hurt. And my take on Jahn Morant
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maturity aside, he can't shoot and he's always hurt. And
in the end, I love what Orlando did in the
trade because I think now they look at Indiana and
think we can do that. But I also like what
Memphis is saying is this isn't gonna work. Look at
the maturity and depth of OKAC. Look at these young
teams coming. Is that Jah Morant's a bit of a
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cautionary tale. Is that if you look at the Pacers
in the and OKAC right now, it's college guys two
and three years at college. Jalen Williams, it's maturity. There's
there's no G leaguers, there's a couple of one Undun's
that Jaw Morant. It's a prime example of it. Does
college basketball matters? Maturity matters? That know, in the NBA
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sometimes we kind of fall in love with highlights and
John Morant's the best in the league at that. But
your take kind of on the Jaw Morant in Memphis
kind of saying he can't.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
I think there's a lot here.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I think the only part you didn't mention is Orlando
looking at the Orlando making this trade is a low
key diss to the Pacers, because what Orlando's basically saying is, hell,
anybody can win the East.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Look what's happening, Like why not us?
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Like Polo takes the leap, We just need some shooting.
And I do like Bain spit and I, you know,
in a weird way. I don't think Desmond Vane is
on the magic if Jason Tatum doesn't tear his achilles,
because I think that's what made the Eastern Conference feel
like everything is available. So there's one take on the Grizzlies.
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I totally agree, And I think the Grizzlies are fearful
because Jaw is so wildly popular there and they're like, well,
you know, you don't want to trade.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Him when his stock is low.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
And my only response that would be is unless there's
real reason to believe it might go lower, because John
now has and you hit on it everyone when they
talk about Jaw. I shouldn't say everyone. A lot of
people when they talk about Jaw act as if well,
if he matures off the court, and maybe he has,
I don't really see a lot of evidence of him.
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Maybe he has, then he's back to being a superstar,
while leaving out the fact that he is not improved
as a player over the last couple of years, and
he has become incredible an incredibly high injury concern. So
they're afraid to trade him now because his stock is low. Well,
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he's one more missed thirty game stretch away from the
stock being even lower. So I proposed this kind of
jokingly a few months ago, but I'll.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Throw it out there again.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I think it works salary wise, It certainly works creativity wise,
which is the three kind of immature kind of material
Southeastern point guards all trade for each other. LaMelo, trey Jah,
we send John Charlotte where there's less trouble to get in.
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We send LaMelo to Atlanta, and we send trade a Memphis,
and we're like, hey, all these guys are talented, all
these guys are high draft picks. All these teams have
kind of reached their ceiling, or in Charlotte never had
a ceiling. What if we shake the snow Globe there,
so I would like to see that. What Memphis probably
should do is maybe start over. I have one extra
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bonus take on this, which is actually a Lakers take,
which is, if I am Rob Polenka, the first thing
I'm doing in the morning is finding that leather jacket.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
The second thing I'm doing is saying.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
You know what, if Desmond Baine is worth four first
round picks, then is my path to getting the center
we need? Actually a three team trade involving Alex Caruso,
because if Baine's worth four first round picks, Caruso's worth
about that? And is there a team that would trade
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picks for Cruso and a team that has a center
that would rather have picks than Crusoe? Because if Mikale
Bridge is worth five and Bain is worth four, Reeves
is at least worth three and a half. So I
wonder if that ends up being the lubrication to the
Lakers getting the center they need for Luca.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, I Austin Reeves has limitations to me. J Mack
loves him, but you know, he loves the undrafted guys
more than anybody I've ever met.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
I like him.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I like him, but here's the he became superfluous once
you got Luca because he's not got the ball in
his hands as much and so, and you don't have
a bunch of other assets with which to get Like,
here is a real question.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
I would have Vira the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
If the draft is going on and matl watched, the
center from Duke is available at the eighth pick, the
ninth pick. Would somebody want Austin Reeves for that pick?
Would we trade him straight up to get that center
in pair him with Luca?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
I think there's real conversation there.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Okay, one of two choices.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Do you want to talk KD Caitlin Clark or Shad
Door Sanders?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
You pick it?
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Well, three choices, Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
And then if we have time, KD Caitlin Clark?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Is this Colin? You got a question to go?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I was just going to Florida.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Here's the question I have because you and I keep
kind of upping the ante on where we think her
star is going, and I've decided that it can't be
uptigh enough.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
So here's the question I have.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
As crazy as this sounds, once Steph and Lebron retire,
will there be an active American athlete that's not a
quarterback that's more famous than her. No, I think she
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will be more famous than every baseball player. She might
already be every hockey in this country, every hockey player,
all of the US men's national team, and every football
player that isn't really Patrick Mahomes look and maybe Lamar
Josh Like, there's only a few. And I think she's
already more famous than every NBA player, but Katie Stephan
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Lebron and I don't see any of those guys catching her.
I think she is a super nova of fame and talent.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, I said this, And it's not anti Beyonce to
say that Taylor Swift's tour change the economy. It is
not anti Angel Reese of the WNBA to acknowledge she's
the Tiger twenty years ago on the tour like the
ratings disappear. It's nothing against the WNBA. She literally is
changing the entire league economy, and I know that her league.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
But listen, I've got to protect us both here. It
might be accidentally anti Beyonce to compare her to Angel Reese. However,
beyond Beyonce might not be Taylor Swift, but she's not
like like let's let's be let's be careful with that,
with that, but I understand you don't have to listen.
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You don't have to blow out one's candle make the
other ones. That's right, grow brighter. But we are, we
are swimming in different pools when we're talking about Angel who,
by the way, shout out Angel who got a triple
double and played really well the other night. And if
she can at any point, you know, just be a
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more competent around the rim, she will be a multi
time multi year All Star because she's good to defend
her in good rebounder.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
They're inverting that.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
And Caitlin Clark, fresh off an injury, playing a team
that some people were like, are they gonna go undefeated
and dropping thirty two eight nine in a forty minute
basketball game and blowing them out like the Fever could
win the championship this year.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
They're not the favorites.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Minnesota's better and the Fever are better, but they just
crushed the Fever.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I'm sorry, crush the liberty. I said it wrong.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
In Minnesota and New York are better than them, but
they're right there and she is only getting better. It's
really spectacular wise.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, Angel is actually a really good player, and that
wasn't the comp with Beyonce. But what I'm saying is,
as you said with Candles, is the WNBA. I just
don't want to be marginalized. It's like, I'm not criticizing
the WNBA. She is the moment. She's not part of it.
She's the moment, and that's okay, and it the entire.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Comp is the right comp and it removes a lot
of the I think. I think there is understandably a
real protectionist nature amongst the WNBA, because you know, for
a long time it had fought for survival. Obviously because
it's a women's league versus a men's league. There's also
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a lot of race and gender and sexuality stuff tied
up in the WNBA and its fan base that I
think is actually really productive for American sports. But it
also creates an understandably almost protective fan base like hold
on a minute, like we And so because of that,
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there has been understandable or not a pushback to this
super nova celebrity falling and parachuting into the sport. And
so like the WNBA demographics and who watches, who goes
to the games are almost diametrically opposed to the PGA.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Tour thirty years ago. And then Tiger came in and there.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Was still a similar protectionism, but for very different reasons.
But the reality is this person is going to change
the face of your sport, the economics of your sport,
and the accessibility of your sport to shows like this,
and that ultimately helps everyone. And it really helps everyone
if the players themselves don't read their mentions as much,
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because I understand with popularity comes toxicity and a lot
of people that weren't previously invited to the party, or
maybe don't want to be at the party.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
They just want to crash it.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
But those people only live in your phone, they don't
live in real life usually, And so ultimately it's great
for the league.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
And she had a hell of a return from an injury.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And this all started with Mount justmore. I mean, just
think this group segment started with the escob Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
It just shows you kids, no matter how poorly something starts,
it can finish brilliantly.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
I mean it really does. See it, buddy, see it, buddy?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Nick?
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
The yeah, I mean, I just it's not a I
also think that baseball had this for years. Baseball is
getting a lot of attention now, the sports ratings attendance
is up, and judges o tawny, and there's just a
lot of great things about baseball right now. But if
somebody feels ignored, they tend to have a chip on
their shoulder if you suddenly start paying attention to them.
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And baseball had this with Bryce Harper is they didn't
really have a domestic player we loved and galvanized the fans.
And then Bryce Harper showed up with the hair and
the flare and he got crap in his own dugout
because hey man, you've been anuring it's forever this hot shot,
and baseball got really tribal and parochial and protective. And
I think that's the w NBA. They've always felt like, hey,
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we're getting better here, and none of you media people
ever pay attention to us. And then somebody parachutes in
and it's like, nah, we don't want we don't want
your attention. Yeah you do baseball, Yeah you do. Isn't
it a lot more fun being baseball now? And all
we talk about is more baseball, more fun to watch,
more dynamic, more interesting, and more shows talk about it,
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and isn't the WNBA better now that it makes all
these talk shows all the time, and so but I
understand it. We all want attention, we all want validation,
and baseball went to a stretch where it was like
slow and anytime I talk about baseball or anybody that
it was negative or it was ignored. And the WNBA
didn't make a profit, it didn't have like their tiger.
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But when you get it, you know you can be
you can be a little protective, but you got to
get over yourself because Caitlin is a really good for
that league.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
It's the hurt.
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Speaker 3 (25:59):
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Speaker 1 (26:05):
I'll tell you that they are fired up in Charger Land.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
This is the Herd, all right, mister coward.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
We must revisit Game five in the NBA Finals. Last night,
Pacers lost back to back games for the first time
since March, and Tyrese Haliburton seemed to have tweaked to
calf here driving to the bucket you can see him
grimace as his right calf kind of tightens up. It's
a scary moment because Colin the last time there was
a significant calf injury in the finals, it was Kevin Durant. Nevertheless,
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here is Haliburton talking about the injury.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
He's NBA final. It's the finals.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Man.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
I've worked my whole life to be here, and I
want to be out there to compete, you know how
my teammates anyway, I can you know, I was not
great tonight by any means, but uh, you know, it's
not really a thought of mine to not play here.
You know, if I fucking you know, walk, then I
want to play.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
What's the line on game six and Indie?
Speaker 8 (27:13):
I'm sorry, I'm not doing my job. I'm so depressed
that the Pacers are done. I did not look it up.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Out guess probably six.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Ish, because is a Pacers team that kind of didn't
show up last other than TJ McConnell, who played well.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Colling, yeah, Turner didn't, Halliburton didn't say all Come was
pretty good.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
Nemhard had his worst game by a mile.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, I mean that's what great defenses do. They turn
the inside out. And I mean, I thought Pascal Siakam
played well. I thought McConnell was great. Yeah, I mean
it was. It was a tough outing.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
It's weird.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
As bad as the Pacers played. They were within two
with about nine minutes a lot, which I did not
expect because they.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Were down fifteen, close to twenty at some point there.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
In the in the second without Haliburton.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Yeah yeah, and Haliburton did nothing. So there's a world
where the Pacers win.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
But selfishly, I am officially rooting Thunder in game six.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
My men's league team needs a guy who's covering the finals.
We need him this weekend, and he's out if there's
a game.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Seven, So off en priorities.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
Selfish, Yes, yes, go go OKC. Next story, Colin, Let's
go to Caitlin Park and that amazing game she had Saturday, Colin.
They just announced the NBA the WNBA ratings for the game.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Two point two million.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Viewers on ABC, making it the third most watched w
NBA game ever ever on the network, not this season,
not this decade, ever on ABC, and we know ratings
were down significantly without Clark. It just goes to show, Hey,
you put an undefeated team against the best, most exciting
player in the league, and this is what you get.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Well.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Also, there were protests all over America this weekend, so
there were tens of millions of people all over the country.
So I mean, it was just it was also went
up against the US Open, which wasn't very stirring, but nonetheless,
so I don't know, I just I'm I'm I'm no
longer surprised. What really struck me is how aggressive Caitlin
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Clark was. Like she was demanding the ball and I
don't I don't see her as I mean, she's a
flashy player. When you shoot from that distance, it's flashy,
but she was like hyper aggressive, and let I mean,
it was really something to behold.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
By the way, Fever played today seven o'clock eastern, four
Pacific against the Connecticut. The Connecticut team Indiana is an
eighteen point favorite. Colin eighteen in WNBA game. I'm not
laying the lumber there, but Kitlin Clark pretty much could
pick her number tonight and just go off against Connecticut
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and what I'll be checking it out. It's on NBA
TV four pm Pacific. Final story.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Colin, Let's go to the Kansas City Chiefs. Man, do
you remember the Super Bowl? They got their butts kicked?
Speaker 8 (30:03):
Well, Rashi Rice, who missed the Super Bowl, he had
this season ending knee injury in Week four. He is
healthy and back in action and says, not only will
the offense be explosive this year, but it's.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Gonna be a quote unquote show.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
You see Raceive Rice here doing some ladder work, looks
like you working out at the gym. I don't know
that I buy this offense totally bouncing back just because
Rashi Rice is there.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
I mean, Travis.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
Kelsey sold Isaiah finzecho not what he was a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
It's not that I'm anti Chiefs, but I think the Raiders,
the Broncos, and the Chargers will all be significantly better.
Harbor Jim Harbaugh year two. Everywhere he's gone in his career,
Year two feels like, oh, that's a horrorball team.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Year one is built a culture.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
By year two, the roster, the two running backs, Joe
Alt Now in year two, it's like, oh, that's a
horrorball team. If you just if you showed me the
draft the last two year, it's never been receiver built.
It's tackles it's pass rush, it's run game. So I
just think the division is much better undeniable.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
I will add for the Chiefs fans who are upset
that we keep calling for their demise, let's just remind
people Tom Brady went a decade between Super Bowl wins. Okay,
there's no guarantees, just because you have Andy Reid and
Patrick Mahomes and you look at the schedule. We've talked
about it at nauseum. It is not easy with the
travel opening the season outside of this continent, a lot
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of primetime games.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Colly got to go to Buffalo again.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
I said, miss the playoffs. I'm sticking by it. I
know it's June. You think that's hot take happy hour,
but you look at that left tackle situation.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
I don't think it's improved getting a.
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Backup from San Francisco to protect Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I just don't listen.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
There's there's always there's always one team in the league
that surprises us.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So we know that. So look up their schedule again.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So we know the Chargers will be good in the
first we know the Eagles will be good, and then
they play the Ravens and the Lions in Washington and
Buffalo and Denver. So there's a lot of tough games.
If let's just say the surprise team in the league,
and I mean you look at the second half, they're
facing Houston, they're facing dead Let's just say the surprise
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team in the league is Tennessee and I think both no,
just look at their schedule, Look at how that schedule ends.
You think the beginning of it is tough with the
Lions and the Eagles and the Ravens and the Chargers
and the Bills in Washington. I would argue the beginning's tough,
the middle is tough. And if Tennessee and I think
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both you and I think that'll be the most improved
team in the league, they will end the season with Houston, Chargers, Tennessee,
and Denver. That schedule has no break. I mean the beginning,
middle and end has land mines everywhere.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
With that Kansasity schedule.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
And would they go eleven to zero one score games
last year might have been twelve.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
That's not happening.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Bottom line.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
Even if you regress to six and five, which is
still winning, and again six and five is good in
one score games, you're now looking at like an eight
or nine win team.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, I know you and I agree on this is
that that is a sneaky.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Tough schedule.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
If just Tennessee is and we've done a pretty good
job on the show predicting what's the team that's gonna
be much better than next year, I think it's Tennessee.
I think we both agree. If they're good. Tell me
the break in this schedule.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
Well, they Giants, New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
That's it. That is it.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And maybe Dallas at home. Had no other breaks on
that schedule. Because the Raider games will be competitive because
their rivalry games Pete Carroll, Gino Smith, those games will
be competitive games.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
I'm just gonna put this out there. That Jacksonville offense.
I've been reading doing some offseason homework. The Jacksonville offense.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
Just look out.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
They got two really good receivers, healthy Trevor Lawrence, and
a sharp offensive coach. Just file it away, folks. The
Jacksonville offense is going to be top five in the.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
League this year.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Jamack with the news.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd Weekdays and Noone Eastern nn AM Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app Saturday.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
It's a Baseball Night in America with two of the
league's biggest bats on deck, as Eat Alonso and the
Mets take on Cal Schwarber in the Phillies or the
Royals Battle of the Padres.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Shit the local listings for the.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
Game in your area, Saturday, seven Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
So I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
There was a story about, you know, somebody asked Deck
Prescott about his legacy, and you know, there's certain quarterbacks
where you say their name Brady Goat, Lamar Jackson, electric,
Josh Allen, powerful, Drew Brees, accuracy, John Elway, legendary, Mahomes, gifted,
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and Dak doesn't really have a trait that's memorable or wow.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I think he's a great leader.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I think of him more as the Walter Payton Trophy
that the Lombardi Trophy.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
And that's fine.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I mean, he's two and five all time in the playoffs,
hasn't been very good, zero to three in the divisional round,
kind of a limited But I was thinking about this
as he was talking about his legacy, and let's play
the bite of Dak talking about what will his legacy be.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
I want to win a championship.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
The legacy of the things.
Speaker 10 (35:27):
Whatever comes after I've finished playing, we'll take care of itself.
I want to win a championship, be damned if it's
just for my legacy or for it's for this team's
for my personal being, uh, for my sanity. Yeah, the
legacy will take care of itself. I have to stay
with my feeta now.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I do think when Dak entered the league, Dallas was
a great place for a quarterback to land. They had
the dominating number one O line and the best running
back they drafted him, and Jason Garrett was a mature,
consistent coach, and the division.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Was kind of a mess.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Philadelphia wasn't this good, the Giants weren't great, and Washington
was still owned by Dan Snyder.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
So the division and I thought Dak benefited greatly.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
We wouldn't have been talking about Dak, a fourth round
quarterback out of Mississippi State had he gone to Houston
or Jacksonville or you know, other organizations, we just wouldn't
have He has benefited greatly early in his career, but
I think now he's actually the only thing holding Dallas together.
I think the coaching staff's arguably going to be the
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worst in the league. They've gotten increasingly weird and poor
at drafting. You cross your fingers on Javonte Williams, the
number two running back being the bell cow because they
have a bad running back room. The offensive line is
in rebuild, and fields kind of makeshift. And again they
don't have any money in free agency. They're top heavy,
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and they're not drafting particularly well. I'm trying to think
of a quarterback that entered because we know where you
land matters. I'm trying to think of a quarterback who
entered the league and it felt like a pretty darn
shrewd well run organization. They won super Bowls, they crushed drafting,
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offensive line. Zeke was a gamble, but a huge hit.
They're coaching was not considered elite or awful, and.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Now look at him. I mean, what are they great at? Nothing?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Draft and development, free agency. Dak is holding it together
and I think a lot of that is Now do
I think he has benefited? Yeah, if you want to
play blind resume on Dak. I mean, just to show
you how often we have talked about Dak, he has
made tens of millions of dollars in advertise that he
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would not have made at other places. But if you
do blind resume on Dak Prescott, I could put up
quarterbacks who have had significantly more fruitful careers.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
But we never talk about him.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But right now, Dak went from benefiting greatly from the
Cowboys to holding a mess of a franchise together and
he deserves credit for that. And they they're also they've
been talking about like a prime example of where the
Cowboys are at is they had to go make a
move for George Pickens because they didn't have a second
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skill player that they could trust after Ceedee Lamb. And
Pickens is great, but he comes with all sorts of baggage.
I mean, Mike Tomlin's one of the more patient coaches
in the NFL. He moved off George picktts. He was
the one that initiated the trade. Mike Tomlin. According to reports,
we can't have him. So that's where we are with
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Dak Prescott and his legacy.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Jim Harbaugh's coming up next hour, and I love Jim Harbor.
Speaker 8 (39:07):
What do you think he's going to say when you
tell him that we think the Chiefs are going to
miss the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Not just me, you agree, right, No, I have the.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Chiefs as a wild card team.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I thought when I watched the Chargers last year, I
felt like I watched when I watched Michigan the first year,
or the Niners the first year when he took over,
or Stanford. He changed the culture, but it was a
limited roster. I don't look at the Chargers now as
having a limitation. They're good enough everywhere to win a
Super Bowl. I didn't feel that last year. They Quentin Johnson,
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you didn't know if he was a bust that you
really couldn't trust them. If they trailed in a game,
you felt like the wheels could come off. It was
like Lad McConkie, and cross your fingers if the rest
of the guys are healthy or productive. And I'm not
saying you need a great receiving quarter to win a
Super Bowl. Mahomes won two without one, but I kind
of felt like, outside of rookie Lad mcconkeye, you were
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drawing straws at wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I don't feel that way this year.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
The other thing with Herbert, you don't worry about a
warm weather West Coast team going into a Buffalo at
Cincinnati in January, the way you do with TUA and Miami.
If t in Miami have to go into cold weather
territory in January, it's over no chance. But I don't
think I don't have any of those concerns with Herbert.
I think he'd go anywhere and win in January, even
though he wasn't yet.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
I think between Najie Harris, the offensive line, and Hampton,
I think it's a real run game, and I think
from the very beginning Harbaugh has been honest about it.
I don't want just I don't want Justin Herbert throwing
forty five times a game. That's even Andrew Luck in college.
They weren't an aerial circus at Stanford.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
They ran the ball.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
They were double tight end full back in the program
that Harbaugh's never been built around perimeter receivers or a
fast paced offense. It's culture, physicality, run games, controlling the clock.
So he is around the corner. It is a two
s day NBA Finals looks like it's kind of over. Okay,
c favored next game by five.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Welcome in.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It is our two. It is great to have you in.
This is the Herd. Nick Wright in five minutes. So
Jmac Show Heo Toni. We talked about this yesterday, yes
about Howie. What was the thing we talked about yesterday?
We said, if I said to you, you're not gonna
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believe what Blank did in sports. The two people I
would put in there are Caitlin Clark and show Heo
Toni Katel. Clark had thirty eight seconds this weekend at
the WNBA. It was the greatest, most exhilarating thirty eight
seconds in WNBA history. She was shooting thirty three footers,
bang bang bang, demanding the ball. It was it didn't
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look real, okay. So Oh Tawi pitch last night against
the Podres. By the way, he is now pitching and
hitting the Podres sent out their ace because he's pitching.
He came up to face the race, no practice wings.
He threw over one hundred miles an hour, and Dave
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Roberts is to a point now where he is the
Dodgers manager, but he acknowledges it's hard not to just
be a fan of show.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Hey, o Tani, I thought the stuff was really good,
much better as far as the fastball velocity than I
think anyone anticipated hit one hundred. You know, I was
thinking ninety five to ninety seven. But I think that
just a competitor adrenaline came out in him to see
him come into the dugout from the pen and all
that stuff. I was kind of fan boying for like
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half an inning.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So even in high school baseball, kids become what they
call pos pitchers only like like we know in baseball
that how taxing just pitching is. I mean, you'll often
hear this in the postseason. I don't know if we
could throw Verlander on short rest, you know what, rech
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rest Otani gets four and a half minutes in the
dugout until he's hitting. I mean, it's insane that he
is an ace in twenty twenty five with how specialized
pitching is. This is Dereck Henry of the Ravens being
the leading tackler for Baltimore linebacker or Patrick Mahomes being
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the top edge rusher in the conference.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean, just insane.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
He is the best player in Bade the gap between
Otawi and the second Bay best base player, and that
second best player maybe Mookie Betts. And even he gets
engulfed by the gravitas and the talent of O Tawny.
And you know a lot of times you hear about
the Mount Rushmore would there are a handful of athletes
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I would call them they make the mount just more.
They're just more than even the second best person in
their sport. Michael Phelps would be on my mount just more.
Ten more Olympic medals than anybody else, fourteen more gold
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medals than anybody else. When I was a kid growing up,
it was like Mark Spitz, I mean, it's an afterthought.
And by the way, if you're saying, well, how come
there are so many faces? That's why it's called Mount
just Moore. We even have just more faces. Number two
would be Usain Bolt, three straight Olympics, one hundred and
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two hundred meter champion three consecutive Olympics. As an old man,
he was the world's fastest guy in two events. I
would say Wayne Gretzky at one point eight straight MVPs,
Wayne Gretzky would be on the mount, Just Moore. That's
like when he's twenty three years old. Also, he still
holds fifty five NHL records. Now think about how fast
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Hawky is, how international it is, and how good the
athletes are. He still shares or holds fifty five career
NHL records. Serena Williams in the open era twenty three
more major women's singles title than anybody else. And by
the way, a dominant doubles player singles doubles dominant Tiger
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Wood's highest career earnings, lowest career average, and literally change courses.
I think it's fair to say he changed equipment and
changed courses. And I think then you have to go
on my mount, Just Moore. It's got to be el Tawi.
In a specialized world of sports, we're in high school.
If a guy is a great pitcher, that's just what
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he's gonna do. First player, And oh, by the way,
he's not only a great hitter, He's not only an ace,
he'll steal your fifty four bases. I mean, it's just
insane what Otani does last night. He's pitching, goes to
the dugout comes out, Padre is throwing their ace.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He don't even warm off. He just goes pitching. Boom,
gloves off. I'm gonna go hit.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
There's just nothing like it. I mean even even Dave Roberts.
I'm gonna fanboy a little bit. And with that, Nick
Wright is joining us live. First things first, Oh kind
of felt like that was that was oh to Nick Wright?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That was a Nick Wright segment?
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Well, yeah, I mean I wouldn't have had six people
on a Mount Rushmore to start with.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
You could have just you could have just taken.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Your middle four can I can I do my bi annual.
It's not anti Michael Phelps, but it's anti swim metal
inflation rant if I may, how many ever, how come
it's the craziest thing. The greatest Olympian ever was a swimmer,
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and now the greatest Olympian ever is a swimmer. You
know why because they don't tell you, say bolt, hey, buddy,
you can win five gold.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Medals in the hundred run. It backwards run it.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Forwards hopskit Like, it's such a farce, this idea that
because like Simone, Biles has a limited amount of medals
she can win, Bolt has a limited number of medals.
The swimmers, it's the same distance, four different strokes. So
that's so I'd clip him and on Otani. Here's my
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only question for you, Colin, because he hasn't pitched in.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
A couple of years.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Until we see him return to be a regular dominant pitcher,
hasn't his place forget a top mount just more in
history right now, this moment, He's not the best player
in baseball Aaron Judges, right, because Judge has been demonstrably
a better hitter this year, Like, I mean, he just
has been.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
If we want to hold the postseason stuff, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Like the whole idea of Otani is you're getting a
pitching and a hitting or a plus and a minus,
whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
I need him to start pitching again.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
I know he threw the inning last night, but before
he gets elevated there or I mean you're you're ready,
I mean I know you already you coined better than Babe,
which was great, but you know this year, I don't
know that he's been better than Betts because he's just
playing the one position.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
So is that is that not fair?
Speaker 7 (07:47):
Well?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I mean it's like, I mean, the way I look
at it was, he was an ace in an All
Star game. I don't need twenty years of being a
dominant pitcher. If if one year, if one year Mahomes
made the Pro Bowl as a corner cover, I'd be like,
I don't need a second that that that's fair?
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Well, then listen, you might need to adge out. Maybe
you can.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
If you're leaving it at six, maybe you can remove
get ready to remove Phelps for my guy Travis Hunter,
because my guy Trevor.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Lawrence about to help him be an All Pro.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Receiver and you just want to see moments of brilliance
playing both ways.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
So maybe Travis can take that next spot.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, hopefully could play a game before we anoint him
to that position.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Okay, So well, Otani pitched one inning last night, and
you've got him.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
As the best player in baseball again.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Again because he's previously been an ace at an All Star.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
It's fair, that's fair. I suppose that's fair.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So J Mack and I again as an elder statesman,
at this network. I do believe that basketball is better
today than ever, but we have to acknowledge that that
the Michael Jordan's Bulls were also the best defensive team,
and Katie instead Spools were the best defensive team, and
Belichick beat the fastest show on turf. And what we
have is a history Sabans dynasty. If you put a
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great offense to the great defense together, the defense almost
always wins. In Indiana, Hot Knife through Butter Milwaukee, Cleveland Knicks,
they look disjointed, they look off. Now, some of it's Halliburton,
but I'm watching an Oklahoma City defense. This has got
a leg in a boomfield.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
They are.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
They can press you at half court, press you on
the perimeter, rim protection.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think we have to give them credit.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
This does look almost collegiate in effort and switchability.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
That one hundred percent correct. And I came on with
you a few weeks ago, and listen, I haven't gotten
much right about these NBA playoffs, but my belief in
Oklahoma City is maybe the one thing that I have
gotten right. Once the Lakers got eliminated, and what I
said to you a couple of weeks ago is they
are unlike any team in the last twenty years in
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their ability to go on these twelve to two or
fourteen to two runs that are based purely on steals.
That it is not they hit a bunch of threes,
it is not the offense gets hot. It's that they
can have these game changing runs based on their defense
and their ability to throw waves of good defenders at you.
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I also think the Legion of Boom comp is apropos
because they also do something those guys did, which was
we are going to play with such a level of
physicality from the opening whistle of the game that we
are going to put the refs in an impossible position
where you are either going to grind the game to
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a holt in the opening four minutes, or we are
going to set the precedent that Dort and Crusoe when
he comes in, and Jalen Williams and Cason Wallace, all
these guys, we are just going to bring back hand check,
a bring back body bumping, and we're going to rough
you up somewhat like what the Leaves of Booms Secondary
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did with kind of illegal contact, to where even if
we get called it a.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Few times a game, it's worth it. So listen.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Defensively, they're great. Shae is having from a scoring perspective,
a really special not just postseason, not just season, but
couple of seasons.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Likes.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
The list of guards to average more points in a
season than Shae the last couple of years.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
You can count on one hand.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And then you add Jalen Williams, who became just I
think the sixth guy ever to be the second best
player on a team and drop forty in a finals game.
It's a you know, Scotty Fippen his whole career in
Chicago Colin never scored more than thirty two.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
In a finals game.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Kobe scored forty in a finals game one, and it
was in nine when Shack was gone. D Wade never
scored forty as a second option in the finals. It's
really special what Jalen Williams did yesterday, and it opens
makes their ceiling even higher.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
So yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Am wildly impressed by their defense and Jalen Williams, who
was fairly the object of a lot of scrutiny after
last year's Round two loss to Dallas when he didn't
play well, and then midway through Round two this year
when it looked like they might lose to Denver. He
was going to be object of scrutiny again. He had
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a four for nineteen of five for eighteen some rough games.
Since game seven of Round two, he's been excellent and
these last three games he's been brilliant, and now they're
gonna win the championship.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I got a lot of things I could ask you
about right here, and I'm looking at him in summer
interesting some night.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Throw it to the interesting ones. Let's just you know what,
Let's just do the interesting ones.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So I was never a jamorant guy. And the maturity stuff,
I wasn't too critical of him, because you know, in football,
in baseball you have to go through the minor leagues.
You com in a little more mature. In football, you
can't even get to the NFL. A lot of these
kids are eighteen nineteen. At eighteen nineteen, I was pulling
fire alarms in high school, like we're all idiots, right.
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But I will say this, I've always had this theory
that if you're a small player, you gotta be able
to shoot. I didn't buy John Wall, Derreck Rose Jahn,
Morant Stevie Francis. I bought Nash and Curry because without
the hand check, if you can't shoot, you got to
score at the rim, and you're going up against Redwoods,
you're gonna get hurt. And my take on Jahn Morant
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maturity aside, he can't shoot and he's always hurt. And
in the end, I love what Orlando did in the
trade because I think now they look at Indiana and
think we can do that. But I also like what
Memphis is saying is this isn't gonna work. Look at
the maturity and depth of OKAC. Look at these young
teams coming. Is that Jah Morant's a bit of a
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cautionary tale. Is that if you look at the Pacers
in the and OKAC right now, it's college guys two
and three years at college. Jalen Williams, it's maturity. There's
there's no G leaguers, there's a couple of one Undun's
that Jaw Morant. It's a prime example of it. Does
college basketball matters? Maturity matters? That know, in the NBA
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sometimes we kind of fall in love with highlights and
John Morant's the best in the league at that. But
your take kind of on the Jaw Morant in Memphis
kind of saying he can't.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
I think there's a lot here.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I think the only part you didn't mention is Orlando
looking at the Orlando making this trade is a low
key diss to the Pacers, because what Orlando's basically saying is, hell,
anybody can win the East.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Look what's happening, Like why not us?
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Like Polo takes the leap, We just need some shooting.
And I do like Bain spit and I, you know,
in a weird way. I don't think Desmond Vane is
on the magic if Jason Tatum doesn't tear his achilles,
because I think that's what made the Eastern Conference feel
like everything is available. So there's one take on the Grizzlies.
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I totally agree, And I think the Grizzlies are fearful
because Jaw is so wildly popular there and they're like, well,
you know, you don't want to trade.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Him when his stock is low.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
And my only response that would be is unless there's
real reason to believe it might go lower, because John
now has and you hit on it everyone when they
talk about Jaw. I shouldn't say everyone. A lot of
people when they talk about Jaw act as if well,
if he matures off the court, and maybe he has,
I don't really see a lot of evidence of him.
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Maybe he has, then he's back to being a superstar,
while leaving out the fact that he is not improved
as a player over the last couple of years, and
he has become incredible an incredibly high injury concern. So
they're afraid to trade him now because his stock is low. Well,
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he's one more missed thirty game stretch away from the
stock being even lower. So I proposed this kind of
jokingly a few months ago, but I'll.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Throw it out there again.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I think it works salary wise, It certainly works creativity wise,
which is the three kind of immature kind of material
Southeastern point guards all trade for each other. LaMelo, trey Jah,
we send John Charlotte where there's less trouble to get in.
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We send LaMelo to Atlanta, and we send trade a Memphis,
and we're like, hey, all these guys are talented, all
these guys are high draft picks. All these teams have
kind of reached their ceiling, or in Charlotte never had
a ceiling. What if we shake the snow Globe there,
so I would like to see that. What Memphis probably
should do is maybe start over. I have one extra
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bonus take on this, which is actually a Lakers take,
which is, if I am Rob Polenka, the first thing
I'm doing in the morning is finding that leather jacket.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
The second thing I'm doing is saying.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
You know what, if Desmond Baine is worth four first
round picks, then is my path to getting the center
we need? Actually a three team trade involving Alex Caruso,
because if Baine's worth four first round picks, Caruso's worth
about that? And is there a team that would trade
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picks for Cruso and a team that has a center
that would rather have picks than Crusoe? Because if Mikale
Bridge is worth five and Bain is worth four, Reeves
is at least worth three and a half. So I
wonder if that ends up being the lubrication to the
Lakers getting the center they need for Luca.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, I Austin Reeves has limitations to me. J Mack
loves him, but you know, he loves the undrafted guys
more than anybody I've ever met.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
I like him.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I like him, but here's the he became superfluous once
you got Luca because he's not got the ball in
his hands as much and so, and you don't have
a bunch of other assets with which to get Like,
here is a real question.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
I would have Vira the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
If the draft is going on and matl watched, the
center from Duke is available at the eighth pick, the
ninth pick. Would somebody want Austin Reeves for that pick?
Would we trade him straight up to get that center
in pair him with Luca?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
I think there's real conversation there.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Okay, one of two choices.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Do you want to talk KD Caitlin Clark or Shad
Door Sanders?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
You pick it?
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Well, three choices, Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
And then if we have time, KD Caitlin Clark?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Is this Colin? You got a question to go?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I was just going to Florida.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Here's the question I have because you and I keep
kind of upping the ante on where we think her
star is going, and I've decided that it can't be
uptigh enough.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
So here's the question I have.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
As crazy as this sounds, once Steph and Lebron retire,
will there be an active American athlete that's not a
quarterback that's more famous than her. No, I think she
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will be more famous than every baseball player. She might
already be every hockey in this country, every hockey player,
all of the US men's national team, and every football
player that isn't really Patrick Mahomes look and maybe Lamar
Josh Like, there's only a few. And I think she's
already more famous than every NBA player, but Katie Stephan
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Lebron and I don't see any of those guys catching her.
I think she is a super nova of fame and talent.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, I said this, And it's not anti Beyonce to
say that Taylor Swift's tour change the economy. It is
not anti Angel Reese of the WNBA to acknowledge she's
the Tiger twenty years ago on the tour like the
ratings disappear. It's nothing against the WNBA. She literally is
changing the entire league economy, and I know that her league.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
But listen, I've got to protect us both here. It
might be accidentally anti Beyonce to compare her to Angel Reese. However,
beyond Beyonce might not be Taylor Swift, but she's not
like like let's let's be let's be careful with that,
with that, but I understand you don't have to listen.
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You don't have to blow out one's candle make the
other ones. That's right, grow brighter. But we are, we
are swimming in different pools when we're talking about Angel who,
by the way, shout out Angel who got a triple
double and played really well the other night. And if
she can at any point, you know, just be a
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more competent around the rim, she will be a multi
time multi year All Star because she's good to defend
her in good rebounder.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
They're inverting that.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
And Caitlin Clark, fresh off an injury, playing a team
that some people were like, are they gonna go undefeated
and dropping thirty two eight nine in a forty minute
basketball game and blowing them out like the Fever could
win the championship this year.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
They're not the favorites.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Minnesota's better and the Fever are better, but they just
crushed the Fever.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I'm sorry, crush the liberty. I said it wrong.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
In Minnesota and New York are better than them, but
they're right there and she is only getting better. It's
really spectacular wise.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, Angel is actually a really good player, and that
wasn't the comp with Beyonce. But what I'm saying is,
as you said with Candles, is the WNBA. I just
don't want to be marginalized. It's like, I'm not criticizing
the WNBA. She is the moment. She's not part of it.
She's the moment, and that's okay, and it the entire.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Comp is the right comp and it removes a lot
of the I think. I think there is understandably a
real protectionist nature amongst the WNBA, because you know, for
a long time it had fought for survival. Obviously because
it's a women's league versus a men's league. There's also
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a lot of race and gender and sexuality stuff tied
up in the WNBA and its fan base that I
think is actually really productive for American sports. But it
also creates an understandably almost protective fan base like hold
on a minute, like we And so because of that,
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there has been understandable or not a pushback to this
super nova celebrity falling and parachuting into the sport. And
so like the WNBA demographics and who watches, who goes
to the games are almost diametrically opposed to the PGA.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Tour thirty years ago. And then Tiger came in and there.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Was still a similar protectionism, but for very different reasons.
But the reality is this person is going to change
the face of your sport, the economics of your sport,
and the accessibility of your sport to shows like this,
and that ultimately helps everyone. And it really helps everyone
if the players themselves don't read their mentions as much,
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because I understand with popularity comes toxicity and a lot
of people that weren't previously invited to the party, or
maybe don't want to be at the party.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
They just want to crash it.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
But those people only live in your phone, they don't
live in real life usually, And so ultimately it's great
for the league.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
And she had a hell of a return from an injury.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And this all started with Mount justmore. I mean, just
think this group segment started with the escob Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
It just shows you kids, no matter how poorly something starts,
it can finish brilliantly.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
I mean it really does. See it, buddy, see it, buddy?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Nick?
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
The yeah, I mean, I just it's not a I
also think that baseball had this for years. Baseball is
getting a lot of attention now, the sports ratings attendance
is up, and judges o tawny, and there's just a
lot of great things about baseball right now. But if
somebody feels ignored, they tend to have a chip on
their shoulder if you suddenly start paying attention to them.
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And baseball had this with Bryce Harper is they didn't
really have a domestic player we loved and galvanized the fans.
And then Bryce Harper showed up with the hair and
the flare and he got crap in his own dugout
because hey man, you've been anuring it's forever this hot shot,
and baseball got really tribal and parochial and protective. And
I think that's the w NBA. They've always felt like, hey,
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we're getting better here, and none of you media people
ever pay attention to us. And then somebody parachutes in
and it's like, nah, we don't want we don't want
your attention. Yeah you do baseball, Yeah you do. Isn't
it a lot more fun being baseball now? And all
we talk about is more baseball, more fun to watch,
more dynamic, more interesting, and more shows talk about it,
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and isn't the WNBA better now that it makes all
these talk shows all the time, and so but I
understand it. We all want attention, we all want validation,
and baseball went to a stretch where it was like
slow and anytime I talk about baseball or anybody that
it was negative or it was ignored. And the WNBA
didn't make a profit, it didn't have like their tiger.
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But when you get it, you know you can be
you can be a little protective, but you got to
get over yourself because Caitlin is a really good for
that league.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
It's the hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a Empacific.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Jim Ball stopping by last hour. Love having Jim on
the show. They're all fired up.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I'll tell you that they are fired up in Charger Land.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
This is the Herd, all right, mister coward.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
We must revisit Game five in the NBA Finals. Last night,
Pacers lost back to back games for the first time
since March, and Tyrese Haliburton seemed to have tweaked to
calf here driving to the bucket you can see him
grimace as his right calf kind of tightens up. It's
a scary moment because Colin the last time there was
a significant calf injury in the finals, it was Kevin Durant. Nevertheless,
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here is Haliburton talking about the injury.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
He's NBA final. It's the finals.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Man.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
I've worked my whole life to be here, and I
want to be out there to compete, you know how
my teammates anyway, I can you know, I was not
great tonight by any means, but uh, you know, it's
not really a thought of mine to not play here.
You know, if I fucking you know, walk, then I
want to play.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
What's the line on game six and Indie?
Speaker 8 (27:13):
I'm sorry, I'm not doing my job. I'm so depressed
that the Pacers are done. I did not look it up.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Out guess probably six.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Ish, because is a Pacers team that kind of didn't
show up last other than TJ McConnell, who played well.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Colling, yeah, Turner didn't, Halliburton didn't say all Come was
pretty good.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
Nemhard had his worst game by a mile.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, I mean that's what great defenses do. They turn
the inside out. And I mean, I thought Pascal Siakam
played well. I thought McConnell was great. Yeah, I mean
it was. It was a tough outing.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
It's weird.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
As bad as the Pacers played. They were within two
with about nine minutes a lot, which I did not
expect because they.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Were down fifteen, close to twenty at some point there.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
In the in the second without Haliburton.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Yeah yeah, and Haliburton did nothing. So there's a world
where the Pacers win.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
But selfishly, I am officially rooting Thunder in game six.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
My men's league team needs a guy who's covering the finals.
We need him this weekend, and he's out if there's
a game.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Seven, So off en priorities.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
Selfish, Yes, yes, go go OKC. Next story, Colin, Let's
go to Caitlin Park and that amazing game she had Saturday, Colin.
They just announced the NBA the WNBA ratings for the game.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Two point two million.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Viewers on ABC, making it the third most watched w
NBA game ever ever on the network, not this season,
not this decade, ever on ABC, and we know ratings
were down significantly without Clark. It just goes to show, Hey,
you put an undefeated team against the best, most exciting
player in the league, and this is what you get.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Well.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Also, there were protests all over America this weekend, so
there were tens of millions of people all over the country.
So I mean, it was just it was also went
up against the US Open, which wasn't very stirring, but nonetheless,
so I don't know, I just I'm I'm I'm no
longer surprised. What really struck me is how aggressive Caitlin
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Clark was. Like she was demanding the ball and I
don't I don't see her as I mean, she's a
flashy player. When you shoot from that distance, it's flashy,
but she was like hyper aggressive, and let I mean,
it was really something to behold.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
By the way, Fever played today seven o'clock eastern, four
Pacific against the Connecticut. The Connecticut team Indiana is an
eighteen point favorite. Colin eighteen in WNBA game. I'm not
laying the lumber there, but Kitlin Clark pretty much could
pick her number tonight and just go off against Connecticut
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and what I'll be checking it out. It's on NBA
TV four pm Pacific. Final story.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Colin, Let's go to the Kansas City Chiefs. Man, do
you remember the Super Bowl? They got their butts kicked?
Speaker 8 (30:03):
Well, Rashi Rice, who missed the Super Bowl, he had
this season ending knee injury in Week four. He is
healthy and back in action and says, not only will
the offense be explosive this year, but it's.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Gonna be a quote unquote show.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
You see Raceive Rice here doing some ladder work, looks
like you working out at the gym. I don't know
that I buy this offense totally bouncing back just because
Rashi Rice is there.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
I mean, Travis.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
Kelsey sold Isaiah finzecho not what he was a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
It's not that I'm anti Chiefs, but I think the Raiders,
the Broncos, and the Chargers will all be significantly better.
Harbor Jim Harbaugh year two. Everywhere he's gone in his career,
Year two feels like, oh, that's a horrorball team.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Year one is built a culture.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
By year two, the roster, the two running backs, Joe
Alt Now in year two, it's like, oh, that's a
horrorball team. If you just if you showed me the
draft the last two year, it's never been receiver built.
It's tackles it's pass rush, it's run game. So I
just think the division is much better undeniable.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
I will add for the Chiefs fans who are upset
that we keep calling for their demise, let's just remind
people Tom Brady went a decade between Super Bowl wins. Okay,
there's no guarantees, just because you have Andy Reid and
Patrick Mahomes and you look at the schedule. We've talked
about it at nauseum. It is not easy with the
travel opening the season outside of this continent, a lot
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of primetime games.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Colly got to go to Buffalo again.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
I said, miss the playoffs. I'm sticking by it. I
know it's June. You think that's hot take happy hour,
but you look at that left tackle situation.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
I don't think it's improved getting a.
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Backup from San Francisco to protect Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I just don't listen.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
There's there's always there's always one team in the league
that surprises us.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So we know that. So look up their schedule again.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So we know the Chargers will be good in the
first we know the Eagles will be good, and then
they play the Ravens and the Lions in Washington and
Buffalo and Denver. So there's a lot of tough games.
If let's just say the surprise team in the league,
and I mean you look at the second half, they're
facing Houston, they're facing dead Let's just say the surprise
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team in the league is Tennessee and I think both no,
just look at their schedule, Look at how that schedule ends.
You think the beginning of it is tough with the
Lions and the Eagles and the Ravens and the Chargers
and the Bills in Washington. I would argue the beginning's tough,
the middle is tough. And if Tennessee and I think
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both you and I think that'll be the most improved
team in the league, they will end the season with Houston, Chargers, Tennessee,
and Denver. That schedule has no break. I mean the beginning,
middle and end has land mines everywhere.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
With that Kansasity schedule.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
And would they go eleven to zero one score games
last year might have been twelve.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
That's not happening.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Bottom line.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
Even if you regress to six and five, which is
still winning, and again six and five is good in
one score games, you're now looking at like an eight
or nine win team.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, I know you and I agree on this is
that that is a sneaky.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Tough schedule.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
If just Tennessee is and we've done a pretty good
job on the show predicting what's the team that's gonna
be much better than next year, I think it's Tennessee.
I think we both agree. If they're good. Tell me
the break in this schedule.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
Well, they Giants, New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
That's it. That is it.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And maybe Dallas at home. Had no other breaks on
that schedule. Because the Raider games will be competitive because
their rivalry games Pete Carroll, Gino Smith, those games will
be competitive games.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
I'm just gonna put this out there. That Jacksonville offense.
I've been reading doing some offseason homework. The Jacksonville offense.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
Just look out.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
They got two really good receivers, healthy Trevor Lawrence, and
a sharp offensive coach. Just file it away, folks. The
Jacksonville offense is going to be top five in the.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
League this year.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Jamack with the news.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd Weekdays and Noone Eastern nn AM Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app Saturday.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
It's a Baseball Night in America with two of the
league's biggest bats on deck, as Eat Alonso and the
Mets take on Cal Schwarber in the Phillies or the
Royals Battle of the Padres.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Shit the local listings for the.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
Game in your area, Saturday, seven Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
So I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
There was a story about, you know, somebody asked Deck
Prescott about his legacy, and you know, there's certain quarterbacks
where you say their name Brady Goat, Lamar Jackson, electric,
Josh Allen, powerful, Drew Brees, accuracy, John Elway, legendary, Mahomes, gifted,
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and Dak doesn't really have a trait that's memorable or wow.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I think he's a great leader.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I think of him more as the Walter Payton Trophy
that the Lombardi Trophy.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
And that's fine.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I mean, he's two and five all time in the playoffs,
hasn't been very good, zero to three in the divisional round,
kind of a limited But I was thinking about this
as he was talking about his legacy, and let's play
the bite of Dak talking about what will his legacy be.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
I want to win a championship.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
The legacy of the things.
Speaker 10 (35:27):
Whatever comes after I've finished playing, we'll take care of itself.
I want to win a championship, be damned if it's
just for my legacy or for it's for this team's
for my personal being, uh, for my sanity. Yeah, the
legacy will take care of itself. I have to stay
with my feeta now.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I do think when Dak entered the league, Dallas was
a great place for a quarterback to land. They had
the dominating number one O line and the best running
back they drafted him, and Jason Garrett was a mature,
consistent coach, and the division.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Was kind of a mess.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Philadelphia wasn't this good, the Giants weren't great, and Washington
was still owned by Dan Snyder.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
So the division and I thought Dak benefited greatly.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
We wouldn't have been talking about Dak, a fourth round
quarterback out of Mississippi State had he gone to Houston
or Jacksonville or you know, other organizations, we just wouldn't
have He has benefited greatly early in his career, but
I think now he's actually the only thing holding Dallas together.
I think the coaching staff's arguably going to be the
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worst in the league. They've gotten increasingly weird and poor
at drafting. You cross your fingers on Javonte Williams, the
number two running back being the bell cow because they
have a bad running back room. The offensive line is
in rebuild, and fields kind of makeshift. And again they
don't have any money in free agency. They're top heavy,
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and they're not drafting particularly well. I'm trying to think
of a quarterback that entered because we know where you
land matters. I'm trying to think of a quarterback who
entered the league and it felt like a pretty darn
shrewd well run organization. They won super Bowls, they crushed drafting,
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offensive line. Zeke was a gamble, but a huge hit.
They're coaching was not considered elite or awful, and.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Now look at him. I mean, what are they great at? Nothing?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Draft and development, free agency. Dak is holding it together
and I think a lot of that is Now do
I think he has benefited? Yeah, if you want to
play blind resume on Dak. I mean, just to show
you how often we have talked about Dak, he has
made tens of millions of dollars in advertise that he
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would not have made at other places. But if you
do blind resume on Dak Prescott, I could put up
quarterbacks who have had significantly more fruitful careers.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
But we never talk about him.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But right now, Dak went from benefiting greatly from the
Cowboys to holding a mess of a franchise together and
he deserves credit for that. And they they're also they've
been talking about like a prime example of where the
Cowboys are at is they had to go make a
move for George Pickens because they didn't have a second
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skill player that they could trust after Ceedee Lamb. And
Pickens is great, but he comes with all sorts of baggage.
I mean, Mike Tomlin's one of the more patient coaches
in the NFL. He moved off George picktts. He was
the one that initiated the trade. Mike Tomlin. According to reports,
we can't have him. So that's where we are with
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Dak Prescott and his legacy.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Jim Harbaugh's coming up next hour, and I love Jim Harbor.
Speaker 8 (39:07):
What do you think he's going to say when you
tell him that we think the Chiefs are going to
miss the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Not just me, you agree, right, No, I have the.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Chiefs as a wild card team.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I thought when I watched the Chargers last year, I
felt like I watched when I watched Michigan the first year,
or the Niners the first year when he took over,
or Stanford. He changed the culture, but it was a
limited roster. I don't look at the Chargers now as
having a limitation. They're good enough everywhere to win a
Super Bowl. I didn't feel that last year. They Quentin Johnson,
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you didn't know if he was a bust that you
really couldn't trust them. If they trailed in a game,
you felt like the wheels could come off. It was
like Lad McConkie, and cross your fingers if the rest
of the guys are healthy or productive. And I'm not
saying you need a great receiving quarter to win a
Super Bowl. Mahomes won two without one, but I kind
of felt like, outside of rookie Lad mcconkeye, you were
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drawing straws at wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I don't feel that way this year.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
The other thing with Herbert, you don't worry about a
warm weather West Coast team going into a Buffalo at
Cincinnati in January, the way you do with TUA and Miami.
If t in Miami have to go into cold weather
territory in January, it's over no chance. But I don't
think I don't have any of those concerns with Herbert.
I think he'd go anywhere and win in January, even
though he wasn't yet.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
I think between Najie Harris, the offensive line, and Hampton,
I think it's a real run game, and I think
from the very beginning Harbaugh has been honest about it.
I don't want just I don't want Justin Herbert throwing
forty five times a game. That's even Andrew Luck in college.
They weren't an aerial circus at Stanford.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
They ran the ball.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
They were double tight end full back in the program
that Harbaugh's never been built around perimeter receivers or a
fast paced offense. It's culture, physicality, run games, controlling the clock.
So he is around the corner. It is a two
s day NBA Finals looks like it's kind of over. Okay,
c favored next game by five.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
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