June 17, 2025 • 32 mins
Colin talks to Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh about his quarterback Justin Herbert and what he needs in order to find postseason success
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I was talking with Nick right earlier on the show
about Otani. I unveiled my mount essmore is that you
literally are so great at your chosen sport that you
are just more, significantly more than the second best person
in your sport. Michael Phelps usin Boltwayne Gretzky, Serena Williams,
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Tiger Woods, and Shoho Tani, and I don't need Otani.
He pitched last night briefly for the Dodgers. I don't
need him to be an ace because he already was
an ACE and an American League starting pitcher in an
All Star Game. If Patrick Mahomes one year was a
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Pro Bowl cornerback for the Chiefs, he never has to
do it again. Derrick Henry was a one year Pro
BOWLTT linebacker for the Ravens and a running back. I
don't need seven years. If Otani can just start be
a semi reliable starter, I've already seen enough to blow
me away. Nick Wright wants more.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Though, because he hasn't pitched in a couple of years.
Until we see him return to be a regular dominant pitcher,
hasn't his place forget atop Mount just Moore in history
right now, this moment, He's not the best player in
baseball Aaron Judges right, because Judge has been demonstrably a
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better hitter this year, Like, I mean, he just has been.
I need him to start pitching again. I know he
threw the inning last night, but before he gets elevated
there or I mean you're ready, I mean I know
you already. You coined better than Babe, which was great,
But you know, this year, I don't know that he's
been better than Betts because he's just playing the one position.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I would argue using that rationale, was Burrow better than
Mahomes now because last year Burrough was better than Mahomes.
Malmes did not have a great year.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Last year. He was good in one possession.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Games, but he didn't have a great year, And so
I think Mahomes is considered to this point the greater
quarterback talent and we all love Burrow. So Otani's better
than Aaron Judge. You can go to the fifth Thing
in the World Series. Otani's better than Judge. He's done thing.
Otani can do everything Aaron Judge can do. Aaron Judge
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can't be an ace on the mound in an American
League All Star game.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Otani can do everything.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I just don't think it's realistic to ask Otwi to
go to the Dodgers, who have spent big time money
on their staff and be a liable ace or number
two pitcher. If Otani could pitch in two of three
or four playoff series, could give you a start, could
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give you five and two thirds innings twice in the
playoffs from the mound, leave the game with a lead.
That's unbelievable. Forget the fact that he's just pitching. Let's
say he plays in the Divisional round Game three, goes
five and two thirds innings, leaves with a lead, they win.
You do that one more time. I don't need you
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to be an a Some things I don't need you
to do. Remember the guy that used to I mean,
there's guys like tight rope walkers and they'll walk across
a canyon. I don't need twice. If you could do
that once, I'm good with it.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I don't need everything duplicated. I don't There there are
certain feats in life. I don't you need you to
do multiple times. If you're an actor and you've done
just film, but you go on Broadway once and you
crush it, you can do Broadway. I'm good with that.
So it's just it's just a fact to me that
we literally talk about all the time. In baseball, we'll like,
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we'll like seeing the playoffs. Man, I don't know if
this picture can go on short rest.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Short rest.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
He literally batted last night, didn't even get practice swings.
Here's Dave Roberts on last night.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
I thought the stuff was really good, much better as
far as the fastball velocity than I think anyone anticipated
hit one hundred. You know, I was thinking ninety five
to ninety seven. But I think that just a competitor
adrenaline came out in him. To see him come into
the dugout from the pen, all that stuff. I was
kind of fan boing for for like half an inning.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
We're all fans. Jamak with the news.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
No, no, this is the herd line news. Let's bust
right into the soap opera that is Kevin Durant.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Remember everybody wanted him two weeks ago. Now it's like
not so much, Colin. The latest, the very latest, indicates
the Suns may just hold on to Kevin Durant because
they aren't finding a deal to their liking.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
Now, this is absolutely comical.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
They're trying to play some kind of poker game here
where they're trying to bluff their way to a trade.
They're not keeping Kevin Durant. That's not happening. He wants
out badly.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
He has checked out.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
We know he was ticked off.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
They tried to trade him at the deadline. This is
an epic disaster. I will remind you last week we
talked about the Sun's owner.
Speaker 8 (05:37):
It's a I need to be in more control.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Bro.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
You're not a basketball guy. He's hiring his Michigan State people, Colin.
This is shaping up as a spectacular disaster.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
They're not keeping Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I'm sorry, yeah, I mean there's a report that they
don't want Karl Anthony Towns. That's fine, I get that.
And he's a quirky player. I'm just not that it's
a rebel. But I didn't think there would be a
massive market. But only one other player in the NBA
averaged twenty five points a game and shot over forty
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percent from three jokis, So I can't believe. I know
he's gonna want a new deal. I'd give him a
two year deal. I'm not giving him a five year max.
I'd give him a two year deal. Kevin Durant's gonna
average twenty five for the next two years.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I'd give it up.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
Maybe at thirty eight and thirty nine. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
So, Michah Parsons, we talk about this all the time, right, So,
Michaeh Parsons.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
If you want to trade him with you, and I would.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
You got to give up assets to get him and
then make him the highest paid non quarterback in the.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
League, right, similar to Kevin Durant.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
Not the highest in the league, but you got to
give up assets to get him and then sign him
to a two year I mean, at fifty mil, he
makes more than anyone on the Thunder or the Pacers.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
Can you win with Kevin Durant as your number one player.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
No, no, can you.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Win with them as your number two? The Sons could not.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
So I'm just I'm not seeing the Colin Next up?
How about this the Memphis Grizzlies and John Moran.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
So they just traded Desmond Vane.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
Away and all of a sudden we're hearing could Ja
Morant be going to the Miami Heat?
Speaker 8 (07:07):
Is Memphis just tearing it all down?
Speaker 7 (07:09):
The logic here is you go from west to east.
Joh ain't winning in the West, but he could.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Win in the East.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
I think Harry is the big Guyama.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think he actually needs a new environment, new GM,
new coach, new new environment. I think sometimes people need
a fresh start. And I've said I think Joe's really talented,
aesthetically fun highlight reel. I don't think you can build
around him. I'm not sure he can be your two.
He's not a one. He's not a foundational one. Maturity availability.
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Can he be a two? I'm not sure. I honestly
think I think he's closer to a three. I think no,
I know, I do. I mean, look around right now.
Is he as dependable as SGA and Jalen Williams? Absolutely not.
He would be a three on that team. Hell, lou
Dort is more dependable.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Now you go.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Now, let's go to Indy Haliburton, Siakam. He's not as
dependable as that. So these two teams he is at
best of three. On these two teams, he's at best
of three.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
There's a sport thing.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
He was on the injury list I believe eight times
with eight different injuries this season.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
And he has a history.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
But I do wonder Colin jah Morant's off court activities
in Miami and South Beach.
Speaker 8 (08:21):
I don't know that that's a great recipe.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Final story he needs to go to Sacramento and be
bored out of his own.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
Final story is cam Ward Colin.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
He's gotten high praise for his NFL offseason work since
he went number one to Tennessee. Here is Ward addressing
his mentality out of his rookie year.
Speaker 9 (08:42):
At the end of the day, I'm a ghostlinger.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
I live but it I always die by it.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
So coach Callahayen know what type of guy he has
in the quarterback room charge saw. It will never mean
nothing to me. It won't get to me some type
of Well, I'm just somebody who likes doing it. So
what's the point of playing something that you love you
can't have fun with it? So you know that's where
it calls. But I mean, I love the game, is
so any chance I'll get, you know, to listen, But
I know that they can't with me. It really doesn't
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matter him.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Can't wait to watch him play. They're gonna make the playoffs.
I really believe that.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Jmck of the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Let's bring him on. Been talking about this all day.
Jim Harball, coach of the LA Chargers, is joining us
live and often. As you see, Jimmy's got a smile
on his face. I know why he's got a smile
because Joe Alton, year two, Hampton, Nasee, Mike William, Trey Harris.
I was saying this earlier, Jim, I followed your career.
I always feel Jim Harbaugh teams in year one you
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change the culture. But it's not until year two, when
you have a second recruiting class or a second draft
that I feel like it's a Jim harbad team. I
look at this team and I think, oh, that's a
Jim Harbaugh team, two tackles, two stud running backs. I
felt last year, I'm like, it's not Jim's team quite,
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but the culture is good. Did you feel do you
feel like this is more complete this year?
Speaker 10 (10:09):
I loved our team last year, and as you know,
I want to I wanted to get everybody back running
back version two point zero.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
That that wasn't the case.
Speaker 10 (10:21):
We couldn't do that this this era of free agency
and and everything else, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
But we made some great additions.
Speaker 10 (10:30):
Joe Hartiz our personnel staff has done an incredible job,
I mean going out and finding some of the guys
that that they brought in, plus what we did with
the draft. That, yeah, I do. I feel like we're
I know, we're in a better place, you know, June
seventeenth than we were last year at June seventeenth. Part
of that is probably you're doing everything for a second time.
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Everything you've done before year you're doing again. But you know,
the the entire mentality of the of the team, and
it's it's from the leaders like like Justin and Derwin
and k Mack and Dan Henley, all the all the guys.
I mean, they they train and prepare like they've accomplished nothing.
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Uh so that when the season comes they can they
can be that guy. So I am, I am taking
that same lead. And you just don't talk about it really,
you know, unless unless we're on an interview and somebody
you know, puts a microphone in your face. Uh, you know,
then then you really you have to talk about it.
But uh, you know, the guys are the guys are
doing and prefer to do.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (11:35):
You know, they're talking in the in the training environment
and on the practice field. And I I am, I
am drinking the kool aid, buying, buying completely into that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And that's that's the way we've been rolling. You know.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
If I think of Jim Harbard teams, your teams always
have leaders, And I think to myself, do you recruit leaders?
Can you tell when you're recruiting a kid if he's
a leader in high school, do you draft leaders? I mean,
Joel goes to Notre Dame. He's a smart, tough kid.
Your teams. When I think of Harball, I think tough
and good leaders. How do you end up with them?
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Do you create them? Or do you draft or recruit them?
Why do your teams end up with those.
Speaker 10 (12:15):
The uh, yeah you recruit him, yeah, you draft them.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
You can tell. You can tell the minute they walk
onto the field.
Speaker 10 (12:25):
You know, the the minute Derwin James walked out of
the field our first off season, O t A H.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
When I when I, when I walked.
Speaker 10 (12:35):
Over to shake justin Herbert's hand, it's you know right away,
you know it's there's a presence there. Same with Khalil mack. Uh,
there's the presence when he talks. Everybody's everybody's listening. When
he's playing, everybody is is watching. It's and it's never
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what somebody says. It's never what they say. It's it's
what they do, and that that gets reinforced with how
they train, how they how they go about their business,
how they how they played the game of football. So uh,
we like we have a saying that we really love,
which is what you say.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I can't even hear what.
Speaker 10 (13:17):
You say because what you do speak so loudly that
I can't even hear what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
It's obviously and I said this when you went college
to pro. I said, Man Harbaugh is going to be
a great drafter for the first two to three years
because he's recruited half these guys. Did you find in
this draft, for instance, had you recruited any of your
draft picks or at least seen their tape in high school?
Did did the Michigan stuff help you a little bit
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in the first two drafts? Like Joe Alt you probably
recruited at Michigan. Has have you found that it's helped
you a little bit in the draft process?
Speaker 10 (13:55):
It really helped a lot, Colin, and not just for
it was a knowledge of guys.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
It wash.
Speaker 10 (14:01):
It was Mike Elston's knowledge of Joe Alt, who told
all all the stories of the you know, the the
when he came in as a freshman. Uh, how athletic
he was. Uh you know that jesse mentor you know,
I could Steve Klinkscale, who I believe is uh one
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of the best, if not the best, secondary coaches, and
in all of football. The guys they recruited, the guys
they coached, the guys that uh that you know, they
they watched weekly because they were preparing for him uh
uh in a in an upcoming game.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So it was It's not just me.
Speaker 10 (14:40):
It was it was that cumulative effect of all of
us who had just really been in that environment.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Uh, you know, just a couple of months earlier.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I remember years ago talking to a guy named Bill
Poley in the legendary Hall of Fame Front Office Guy,
and he said, when he drafted Peyton Manny, he said
Peyton cared so much. He called him a teeth clencher.
He said, sometimes we have to say, hey, Peyton, it's
ice cream after practice. Lighten up, It's okay. And when
I watch Justin Herbert, he cares so deeply that there
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are times I think he gets so frustrated with himself.
He's too hard on himself. That's my view of it.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Am I right? And if I am? How do you
make sure Justin still?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
You gotta have fun, Jim, You gotta have fun when
your coach have to have fun when you play. Do
you ever worry that Justin is too hard on Justin?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
No, don't change the thing.
Speaker 10 (15:32):
Do not change a thing about Justin Herbert. Yeah, he
does everything, everything great. How much he cares, Yeah, he cares,
he cares deeply. How much he trains, He trains the
perfect amount, you know, everything that he does is is
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don't change the thing. Our challenge is the rest of us,
you know, especially the ones on the offensive.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Side of the ball that Justin's counting on.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
You know, the playmakers, the offensive line, the backs, the
tight ends, the coaches.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You know, it is our challenge to get to his level.
Speaker 10 (16:14):
Because, uh, you know, the only in my opinion, you know,
his biggest weaknesses is us.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You know, we've got to we have to be the
ones that rise up to his level.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So you're in a division now with Pete and Chip,
with Sean Payton's a pretty good coach, Andy Reid and Spags.
It's the best coach division in football. You get no
breathers every week is like a coaching challenge. You're you
are feisty and you're tough and you love challenges. It
is a you don't have a lot of breathers on
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that schedule. But would you rather face that schedule in
those staffs and say, you know the roadblock, You'd rather
have the book on Pete although you have a pretty
good book. There is there an advantage to being in
a division that is the best coach division in football.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
Well, first of all, I mean there's I've never seen
the coaching, uh, you know, at a level that it
is across the entire National Football League. I mean it's
it's great coach after great coach because the way they
prepare their teams. Uh, everybody is great. Yeah, we're gonna
We're gonna play games. No matter who we're playing, it's
gonna get decided in in the last two minutes of
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the game. They're gonna come down to one score games.
This is the National Football League. Everybody's really well coached,
everybody's really well trained. Uh, everybody has has great players. Uh.
You know, it's it's at an unprecedented level where where
the league is right now.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I mean everybody's good. Yeah, it's it's competitive. Dogg eat dog,
Uh for sure.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
Uh, you know, tremendous in the AFC West, tremendous, Uh
in every single division is as you look across pro football.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
So it is it is something you got to get
prepared for.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
I mean, we know it. We're gonna play the Kansas
City Chiefs game one in South Paalo. Let's make sure
we get ready for it.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I've said for years, I always like Nausee Harris. He
played in front of offensive lines that were kind of
couldn't quite get it right. And I think you do
occasionally find these players in the NFL that maybe the
fit's not perfect, and then they go to a second
place and you're like, oh, he's better than I thought.
I think Nausee Harris is one of those guys. What
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did you see about him when you looked on film
and Pittsburgh? What did you say, Okay, that that's gonna
work here with the Chargers.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Everything that he does is at a high level and great,
and he's he's there every week.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
He's there every game, and it's so cool. I mean,
you mentioned a little bit about being in college.
Speaker 10 (18:54):
Before now and guys you recruited and guys that that
I coached. I mean, nobody recruited harder than Najie Harris,
you know up in Antio, California. Uh, you know, as
many trips as I could make I made there.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Uh yeah, and uh and Makay back then.
Speaker 10 (19:12):
I mean, I'm just I'm reminiscing going back to to
watching uh Makai play basketball and in high school and
being in a game where uh I see him see
him slam dunk of basketball and then uh then he
gets then he got elbowed. He got elbowed, he might
have broken his nose, and uh he went over to
the towel. There's blood coming out. He throwing a towel
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from the bench, and you know, he wipes it off.
I think he was out for like, uh, you know,
like a whistle or two and then right back in
the game.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's that's my kind of
guy right there. And then to come to Michigan. He
went with the Louisville and at A had a tremendous career.
Speaker 10 (19:52):
But uh, just so many, so many great guys, so
many great uh great stories that way.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Uh, and I get you know, you get.
Speaker 10 (19:59):
A chance to to be a part of it and
coach these guys.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I mean you can imagine the excitement, you know, and.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
Still still kind of pull it down, uh, that we
have Justin Herbert and Derwin James. I mean, I just
I just loved him watching him play football. Uh, you know,
just an appreciation for how he played the game. And
now to be able to get to coach him. I mean,
Derwin James, he likes people that like football. If you
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like football, you're gonna like Derwin James. And he's gonna
he's gonna like you back, and you just pull it
down that you get to get to coach these guys.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
You know, it's a it's a best darn drive ever had. Colin.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I was gonna say, you look good. You look you
look a little better than last year you've had. You
had a couple of hell things. Give me an update.
How do you feel, How are you doing? How's your cause?
You look good. You look younger than the last time
I had you. That's Southern California sushi.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
That's Jackie Harvall said that said the same thing. Uh yeah,
get that got a hip replaced. Uh, it's it's working great,
all patched up. The iron Horse had to go in
for a few uh fine tunings, and I had an
ablazing had an Ablazian done. That was Uh it was.
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It was really really successful.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It was Uh. I was really super happy. My uh
my doctor, doctor Chipata.
Speaker 10 (21:23):
Uh he came in and tell me how it went,
and he goes, he went good, it went really good.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And uh, I go what every doctor says, it went good.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
I mean I never talked to a doctor after a
surgery that that.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
That uh said it didn't go well.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
I go tell me about it, and he, uh, I
mean he started describing what he did and and it
was like it was like a football player describing you know,
the miraculous uh you know way that he scored a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
You know, he really I could tell, Okay, now.
Speaker 10 (21:54):
We're getting somewhere, and uh he really he really feels
uh really feels good about it, you know, and uh
they kind of was described. Well, you know, why why
did I asked him, why why didn't they Why didn't
they fix that issue? You know, the the last time
I had this a place and well, you know it
wasn't you know, they're really good.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
The you know, the technology is a lot better. I go, now, doctor,
it was you, it was you.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
And uh so yeah, I.
Speaker 10 (22:21):
Feel you know it just it just fires you up
when uh, when you get that kind of you right
here and uh right.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Here in La.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
By the way, you saw Tawny pitch last night. I
think he's it's just unbelievable. It's just unbelievable. He's good looking,
he's great, Like you talk about the whole package.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
He's magnetic.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
When when you go to a Dodger game, it doesn't
even feel I mean, you know what great is when
great is when among great players they look up to you.
I always used to say this about Mike Tyson. Other
heavyweight fighters were intimidated by Mike Tyson. That's what great is.
You watched o'tawny last night. What do you see?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I was just blown away by the whole thing. Uh,
just everything. Uh, his his.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
Walk up song, I mean, uh, you know, the uh,
the way he puts his bat you know, at the
end of the top of the plate there and he
measures it and he puts his foot in the same spot,
and uh, you know, I really watched him as there
was my son Jack who's a who's a twelve year
old baseball player, and son Johnny who's eight, and Katie,
and I'm going just study him. Just watch watch, uh
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watch him. He he's in a rhythm. Everything he does
is to create the rhythm. He does it the same
way every time. Look at that the pitching motion, whether
it's from the stretch or from the you know, from
the from.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
The wind up. His his routine.
Speaker 10 (23:45):
Rhythm, rhythm, you know, rhythm, get the rhythm, get the freak,
you know, get the get the freaking rhythm.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Rhythm, get the rhythm, get the freaking rhythm. You know it.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
You just watch it with him and uh yeah the
the uh hit him nukes a couple of nukes is
uh as Johnny with my son eight year old would say, uh,
just incredible. The walk up song is is so good.
Uh just everything about it. But that's sports, you know, Colin.
You gotta you've got to be able to uh to
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get the rhythm. You get out of rhythm, you start
trying to make adjustments and and then you're out there,
You're out there floundering. So uh, youngsters in sports, uh,
you know, get in the rhythm, have that rhythm trained
and practiced.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And then go do your job. Uh get the rhythm
and and uh and let the chips fall where they may.
Speaker 10 (24:38):
But don't try to start start questioning yourself or making
uh making adjustments. I mean that's that's uh that's probably
my biggest takeaway of watching, uh watching last night's game.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah all right, And how about another l I guy,
J J.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Spahn? How cool was that?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You know, it's a amazing Is that JJ Sponge here?
Do you hear the story that he literally his daughter
was sick? Is that JJ Spahn calling you? He's his
daughter that morning? Call her back, so his his daughter
was throwing up. Sunday morning, he was up at three
in the morning, went to a CVS. He was working
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on four hours sleep. Wow, and then he goes in
rain delay and this kid ends up hitting one of
the great pots in the history of the US Open.
He was up at three in the morning driving to
a CBS because his daughter. Well, that's what being a
great dad is. And he said, actually, he said, it
took my mind off golf. Yeah, I didn't think about golf.
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I was worried about my daughter all day. And I
was like, sixty four foot Pott that that's a winner
right there.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
Yeah, how about the one where he hits the pen,
you know, it hits the great shot in there and
sucks up that it hits the pin and then it
goes oh brutal all the way back down. I mean this,
I mean one of the most brutal breaks you could get.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Uh, and uh, you know, it.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
Just he was just a he was just an iron
wall to that negativity that you know, just just just
shattered that adversity, that negativity, you know, negativity just crumble
and uh watch him go about his business.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I mean, uh, it was uh, it was tremendous.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Okay, listen, Andy Reid right now is working on plays.
You got to get back. I want some razzle dazzle
in that opener, Jim. I want something. I want something
with Mike Williams. I want something, Lad McConkey double pass.
I want you to go because I that game. I
have you winning the division and he's a wild card team,
so I know he's working right now. You got we
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got to get back to work.
Speaker 10 (26:48):
Okay, Yes, sir, appreciate you having me on, Jim.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
It's great seeing you smiling more than you ever had.
The great Jim Harriball, Thanks.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Coach, Thanks Colin.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
He is all in on LA. He is watching.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Uh that story, JJ literally said, because I wasn't thinking
about golf, my daughter's heaving up. I'm trying to make
sure she didn't get sick. I am JJ spah, I'm
worried about all this other stuff. And uh, pretty good
week in La. Harbaugh Otawi, JJ spawn magical.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
What what was that?
Speaker 7 (27:26):
J mc oh, say, don't forget about j mc in
LA And I know you I think Chicago dinners, but
I got some good stuff going on as well.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Just for all right, I think we have to take
a break, don't we Yeah, we'll take a break back
with Jay mckenside.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Heard.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
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Speaker 1 (27:51):
We were talking about Dak Prescott earlier that he entered
the league, and I thought the Cowboys he was a
beneficiar of a great o' line, competent coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
The division was very.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Weak now and I think he's benefited greatly from being
a Dallas Cowboy quarterback, especially financially. Now, I think he's
the only glue holding the entire organization together. But to
give you some sense of how he has benefited being
a Cowboy quarterback, played blind resume and if you look
at Dak Prescott's career numbers so far, let's put his
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let's put his numbers up so far, nine years, thirty
three thousand passing yards, and compare him to another quarterback
that has been in the NFL that's got similar numbers,
but more Pro bowls, more playoff wins, more conference championship appearances,
and more Super Bowl appearances. That quarterback is Jared Goff,
who has not made nearly as much as DAK or
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been discussed nearly as much as DAK, and in fact
has been to a Super Bowl and has been close
to another and has arguably favored to get in another
in Detroit by the end of his contract. So yeah,
I think Dak has made a lot of money and
has benefited greatly, especially early in his career. Now I
think Dak is the only thing really holding Dallas together.
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I don't like their coaching staff. Cross your fingers that
George Pickens can be productive and not disruptive. I think
he will be, at least early. But Dak has run
the gamut of the NFL experience healthy hurt, great O line,
rebuilding on line, best running back in the league to
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the worst running back room in the league last year,
Noah MARII Cooper, then Amari Cooper. He's generally had one
good receiver, one big time perimeter target. But that's where
we stand with him. By the way, ok c we
had talked about this earlier, as you know, we always
glamorize yesteryear in the NBA, and you know this team
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was this and this player was that. I do think
Oklahoma Cities defense just visually trusting your eyes. I do
think it's unique. More in the NBA now than ever
can hand the ball. I mean, you go back to
those Knicks teams and those Pacers series years ago they
made thirty for thirties on. I mean, there are very
few ball handlers and shooters. Everybody can Miles Turner now
(30:10):
can hit a three. The players are much more skilled,
and yet the Pacers look absolutely out of sorts. Steals,
block shots, they just get overwhelmed offensively. And Nick Wright
earlier today on okc's defense being totally legit.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
They are unlike any team in the last twenty years
in their ability to go on these twelve to two
or fourteen to two runs that are based purely on steals.
That it is not they hit a bunch of threes,
It is not the offense gets hot. It's that they
can have these game changing runs based on their defense.
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The legion of Boom comp is apropos because they also
do something those guys did, which was we are going
to play with such a level of physicality from the
opening whistle of the game that we are going to
put the reps in an impossible position.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, and I think that was the Legion of Boom.
Another great NBA team that didn't win a title. John Stockton,
Karl Malone, Jerry Sloan, rest in Peace, that coach Jazz
teams for years were just physical and tough and they
got the whistle at home. But I mean, just think
about how skilled players are. You can go back to
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these you know, these legendary shows about all these tough guys.
You didn't have seven guys who could handle the ball. Well,
you didn't have seven foot guys that could handle the ball.
Everybody now can handle it, can pass, can dribble, can shoot,
and all that said, when Halliburton's not on the floor,
and sometimes when he is, they're just out of sorts.
They feel like it's they're uncomfortable, And I think you
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just have to be honest. I think this is an
all time defense. Young, twitchy, long, fast, and when Jalen
Williams is dropping forty, then you've got Lou Dort hitting threes,
Sga Chet Holmgren, who hasn't had a good offensive series.
But this is a very complete team. I don't know
if you'll keep them all. You're going to keep most
of them. But Jalen Williams, what a story. That kid
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is Santa Clara three years. Last thing that he developed
that Santa Clara was offense.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Man. Good player.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
He's become a really dependable NBA offensive player.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
I was reading about him earlier. He was a three
star recruit in high school.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
That's it.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
And now he's dropping forty in the NBA Finals like
six years after that, Like Colin, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
He's a great story. I didn't think he was this good.
I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I did not, no either, or did I did not?
All right, First things first is around the corner. One
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I was talking with Nick right earlier on the show
about Otani. I unveiled my mount essmore is that you
literally are so great at your chosen sport that you
are just more, significantly more than the second best person
in your sport. Michael Phelps usin Boltwayne Gretzky, Serena Williams,
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Tiger Woods, and Shoho Tani, and I don't need Otani.
He pitched last night briefly for the Dodgers. I don't
need him to be an ace because he already was
an ACE and an American League starting pitcher in an
All Star Game. If Patrick Mahomes one year was a
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Pro Bowl cornerback for the Chiefs, he never has to
do it again. Derrick Henry was a one year Pro
BOWLTT linebacker for the Ravens and a running back. I
don't need seven years. If Otani can just start be
a semi reliable starter, I've already seen enough to blow
me away. Nick Wright wants more.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Though, because he hasn't pitched in a couple of years.
Until we see him return to be a regular dominant pitcher,
hasn't his place forget atop Mount just Moore in history
right now, this moment, He's not the best player in
baseball Aaron Judges right, because Judge has been demonstrably a
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better hitter this year, Like, I mean, he just has been.
I need him to start pitching again. I know he
threw the inning last night, but before he gets elevated
there or I mean you're ready, I mean I know
you already. You coined better than Babe, which was great,
But you know, this year, I don't know that he's
been better than Betts because he's just playing the one position.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I would argue using that rationale, was Burrow better than
Mahomes now because last year Burrough was better than Mahomes.
Malmes did not have a great year.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Last year. He was good in one possession.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Games, but he didn't have a great year, And so
I think Mahomes is considered to this point the greater
quarterback talent and we all love Burrow. So Otani's better
than Aaron Judge. You can go to the fifth Thing
in the World Series. Otani's better than Judge. He's done thing.
Otani can do everything Aaron Judge can do. Aaron Judge
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can't be an ace on the mound in an American
League All Star game.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Otani can do everything.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I just don't think it's realistic to ask Otwi to
go to the Dodgers, who have spent big time money
on their staff and be a liable ace or number
two pitcher. If Otani could pitch in two of three
or four playoff series, could give you a start, could
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give you five and two thirds innings twice in the
playoffs from the mound, leave the game with a lead.
That's unbelievable. Forget the fact that he's just pitching. Let's
say he plays in the Divisional round Game three, goes
five and two thirds innings, leaves with a lead, they win.
You do that one more time. I don't need you
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to be an a Some things I don't need you
to do. Remember the guy that used to I mean,
there's guys like tight rope walkers and they'll walk across
a canyon. I don't need twice. If you could do
that once, I'm good with it.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I don't need everything duplicated. I don't There there are
certain feats in life. I don't you need you to
do multiple times. If you're an actor and you've done
just film, but you go on Broadway once and you
crush it, you can do Broadway. I'm good with that.
So it's just it's just a fact to me that
we literally talk about all the time. In baseball, we'll like,
(04:07):
we'll like seeing the playoffs. Man, I don't know if
this picture can go on short rest.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Short rest.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
He literally batted last night, didn't even get practice swings.
Here's Dave Roberts on last night.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
I thought the stuff was really good, much better as
far as the fastball velocity than I think anyone anticipated
hit one hundred. You know, I was thinking ninety five
to ninety seven. But I think that just a competitor
adrenaline came out in him. To see him come into
the dugout from the pen, all that stuff. I was
kind of fan boing for for like half an inning.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
We're all fans. Jamak with the news.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
No, no, this is the herd line news. Let's bust
right into the soap opera that is Kevin Durant.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Remember everybody wanted him two weeks ago. Now it's like
not so much, Colin. The latest, the very latest, indicates
the Suns may just hold on to Kevin Durant because
they aren't finding a deal to their liking.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
Now, this is absolutely comical.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
They're trying to play some kind of poker game here
where they're trying to bluff their way to a trade.
They're not keeping Kevin Durant. That's not happening. He wants
out badly.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
He has checked out.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
We know he was ticked off.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
They tried to trade him at the deadline. This is
an epic disaster. I will remind you last week we
talked about the Sun's owner.
Speaker 8 (05:37):
It's a I need to be in more control.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Bro.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
You're not a basketball guy. He's hiring his Michigan State people, Colin.
This is shaping up as a spectacular disaster.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
They're not keeping Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I'm sorry, yeah, I mean there's a report that they
don't want Karl Anthony Towns. That's fine, I get that.
And he's a quirky player. I'm just not that it's
a rebel. But I didn't think there would be a
massive market. But only one other player in the NBA
averaged twenty five points a game and shot over forty
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percent from three jokis, So I can't believe. I know
he's gonna want a new deal. I'd give him a
two year deal. I'm not giving him a five year max.
I'd give him a two year deal. Kevin Durant's gonna
average twenty five for the next two years.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I'd give it up.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
Maybe at thirty eight and thirty nine. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
So, Michah Parsons, we talk about this all the time, right, So,
Michaeh Parsons.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
If you want to trade him with you, and I would.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
You got to give up assets to get him and
then make him the highest paid non quarterback in the.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
League, right, similar to Kevin Durant.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
Not the highest in the league, but you got to
give up assets to get him and then sign him
to a two year I mean, at fifty mil, he
makes more than anyone on the Thunder or the Pacers.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
Can you win with Kevin Durant as your number one player.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
No, no, can you.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Win with them as your number two? The Sons could not.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
So I'm just I'm not seeing the Colin Next up?
How about this the Memphis Grizzlies and John Moran.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
So they just traded Desmond Vane.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
Away and all of a sudden we're hearing could Ja
Morant be going to the Miami Heat?
Speaker 8 (07:07):
Is Memphis just tearing it all down?
Speaker 7 (07:09):
The logic here is you go from west to east.
Joh ain't winning in the West, but he could.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Win in the East.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
I think Harry is the big Guyama.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think he actually needs a new environment, new GM,
new coach, new new environment. I think sometimes people need
a fresh start. And I've said I think Joe's really talented,
aesthetically fun highlight reel. I don't think you can build
around him. I'm not sure he can be your two.
He's not a one. He's not a foundational one. Maturity availability.
(07:40):
Can he be a two? I'm not sure. I honestly
think I think he's closer to a three. I think no,
I know, I do. I mean, look around right now.
Is he as dependable as SGA and Jalen Williams? Absolutely not.
He would be a three on that team. Hell, lou
Dort is more dependable.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Now you go.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Now, let's go to Indy Haliburton, Siakam. He's not as
dependable as that. So these two teams he is at
best of three. On these two teams, he's at best
of three.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
There's a sport thing.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
He was on the injury list I believe eight times
with eight different injuries this season.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
And he has a history.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
But I do wonder Colin jah Morant's off court activities
in Miami and South Beach.
Speaker 8 (08:21):
I don't know that that's a great recipe.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Final story he needs to go to Sacramento and be
bored out of his own.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
Final story is cam Ward Colin.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
He's gotten high praise for his NFL offseason work since
he went number one to Tennessee. Here is Ward addressing
his mentality out of his rookie year.
Speaker 9 (08:42):
At the end of the day, I'm a ghostlinger.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
I live but it I always die by it.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
So coach Callahayen know what type of guy he has
in the quarterback room charge saw. It will never mean
nothing to me. It won't get to me some type
of Well, I'm just somebody who likes doing it. So
what's the point of playing something that you love you
can't have fun with it? So you know that's where
it calls. But I mean, I love the game, is
so any chance I'll get, you know, to listen, But
I know that they can't with me. It really doesn't
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matter him.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Can't wait to watch him play. They're gonna make the playoffs.
I really believe that.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Jmck of the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Let's bring him on. Been talking about this all day.
Jim Harball, coach of the LA Chargers, is joining us
live and often. As you see, Jimmy's got a smile
on his face. I know why he's got a smile
because Joe Alton, year two, Hampton, Nasee, Mike William, Trey Harris.
I was saying this earlier, Jim, I followed your career.
I always feel Jim Harbaugh teams in year one you
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change the culture. But it's not until year two, when
you have a second recruiting class or a second draft
that I feel like it's a Jim harbad team. I
look at this team and I think, oh, that's a
Jim Harbaugh team, two tackles, two stud running backs. I
felt last year, I'm like, it's not Jim's team quite,
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but the culture is good. Did you feel do you
feel like this is more complete this year?
Speaker 10 (10:09):
I loved our team last year, and as you know,
I want to I wanted to get everybody back running
back version two point zero.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
That that wasn't the case.
Speaker 10 (10:21):
We couldn't do that this this era of free agency
and and everything else, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
But we made some great additions.
Speaker 10 (10:30):
Joe Hartiz our personnel staff has done an incredible job,
I mean going out and finding some of the guys
that that they brought in, plus what we did with
the draft. That, yeah, I do. I feel like we're
I know, we're in a better place, you know, June
seventeenth than we were last year at June seventeenth. Part
of that is probably you're doing everything for a second time.
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Everything you've done before year you're doing again. But you know,
the the entire mentality of the of the team, and
it's it's from the leaders like like Justin and Derwin
and k Mack and Dan Henley, all the all the guys.
I mean, they they train and prepare like they've accomplished nothing.
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Uh so that when the season comes they can they
can be that guy. So I am, I am taking
that same lead. And you just don't talk about it really,
you know, unless unless we're on an interview and somebody
you know, puts a microphone in your face. Uh, you know,
then then you really you have to talk about it.
But uh, you know, the guys are the guys are
doing and prefer to do.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (11:35):
You know, they're talking in the in the training environment
and on the practice field. And I I am, I
am drinking the kool aid, buying, buying completely into that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And that's that's the way we've been rolling. You know.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
If I think of Jim Harbard teams, your teams always
have leaders, And I think to myself, do you recruit leaders?
Can you tell when you're recruiting a kid if he's
a leader in high school, do you draft leaders? I mean,
Joel goes to Notre Dame. He's a smart, tough kid.
Your teams. When I think of Harball, I think tough
and good leaders. How do you end up with them?
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Do you create them? Or do you draft or recruit them?
Why do your teams end up with those.
Speaker 10 (12:15):
The uh, yeah you recruit him, yeah, you draft them.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
You can tell. You can tell the minute they walk
onto the field.
Speaker 10 (12:25):
You know, the the minute Derwin James walked out of
the field our first off season, O t A H.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
When I when I, when I walked.
Speaker 10 (12:35):
Over to shake justin Herbert's hand, it's you know right away,
you know it's there's a presence there. Same with Khalil mack. Uh,
there's the presence when he talks. Everybody's everybody's listening. When
he's playing, everybody is is watching. It's and it's never
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what somebody says. It's never what they say. It's it's
what they do, and that that gets reinforced with how
they train, how they how they go about their business,
how they how they played the game of football. So uh,
we like we have a saying that we really love,
which is what you say.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I can't even hear what.
Speaker 10 (13:17):
You say because what you do speak so loudly that
I can't even hear what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays
in noon East. They're not a Empacific, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It's obviously and I said this when you went college
to pro. I said, Man Harbaugh is going to be
a great drafter for the first two to three years
because he's recruited half these guys. Did you find in
this draft, for instance, had you recruited any of your
draft picks or at least seen their tape in high school?
Did did the Michigan stuff help you a little bit
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in the first two drafts? Like Joe Alt you probably
recruited at Michigan. Has have you found that it's helped
you a little bit in the draft process?
Speaker 10 (13:55):
It really helped a lot, Colin, and not just for
it was a knowledge of guys.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
It wash.
Speaker 10 (14:01):
It was Mike Elston's knowledge of Joe Alt, who told
all all the stories of the you know, the the
when he came in as a freshman. Uh, how athletic
he was. Uh you know that jesse mentor you know,
I could Steve Klinkscale, who I believe is uh one
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of the best, if not the best, secondary coaches, and
in all of football. The guys they recruited, the guys
they coached, the guys that uh that you know, they
they watched weekly because they were preparing for him uh
uh in a in an upcoming game.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So it was It's not just me.
Speaker 10 (14:40):
It was it was that cumulative effect of all of
us who had just really been in that environment.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Uh, you know, just a couple of months earlier.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I remember years ago talking to a guy named Bill
Poley in the legendary Hall of Fame Front Office Guy,
and he said, when he drafted Peyton Manny, he said
Peyton cared so much. He called him a teeth clencher.
He said, sometimes we have to say, hey, Peyton, it's
ice cream after practice. Lighten up, It's okay. And when
I watch Justin Herbert, he cares so deeply that there
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are times I think he gets so frustrated with himself.
He's too hard on himself. That's my view of it.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Am I right? And if I am? How do you
make sure Justin still?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
You gotta have fun, Jim, You gotta have fun when
your coach have to have fun when you play. Do
you ever worry that Justin is too hard on Justin?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
No, don't change the thing.
Speaker 10 (15:32):
Do not change a thing about Justin Herbert. Yeah, he
does everything, everything great. How much he cares, Yeah, he cares,
he cares deeply. How much he trains, He trains the
perfect amount, you know, everything that he does is is
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don't change the thing. Our challenge is the rest of us,
you know, especially the ones on the offensive.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Side of the ball that Justin's counting on.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
You know, the playmakers, the offensive line, the backs, the
tight ends, the coaches.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You know, it is our challenge to get to his level.
Speaker 10 (16:14):
Because, uh, you know, the only in my opinion, you know,
his biggest weaknesses is us.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You know, we've got to we have to be the
ones that rise up to his level.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So you're in a division now with Pete and Chip,
with Sean Payton's a pretty good coach, Andy Reid and Spags.
It's the best coach division in football. You get no
breathers every week is like a coaching challenge. You're you
are feisty and you're tough and you love challenges. It
is a you don't have a lot of breathers on
(16:47):
that schedule. But would you rather face that schedule in
those staffs and say, you know the roadblock, You'd rather
have the book on Pete although you have a pretty
good book. There is there an advantage to being in
a division that is the best coach division in football.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
Well, first of all, I mean there's I've never seen
the coaching, uh, you know, at a level that it
is across the entire National Football League. I mean it's
it's great coach after great coach because the way they
prepare their teams. Uh, everybody is great. Yeah, we're gonna
We're gonna play games. No matter who we're playing, it's
gonna get decided in in the last two minutes of
(17:28):
the game. They're gonna come down to one score games.
This is the National Football League. Everybody's really well coached,
everybody's really well trained. Uh, everybody has has great players. Uh.
You know, it's it's at an unprecedented level where where
the league is right now.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I mean everybody's good. Yeah, it's it's competitive. Dogg eat dog,
Uh for sure.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
Uh, you know, tremendous in the AFC West, tremendous, Uh
in every single division is as you look across pro football.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
So it is it is something you got to get
prepared for.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
I mean, we know it. We're gonna play the Kansas
City Chiefs game one in South Paalo. Let's make sure
we get ready for it.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I've said for years, I always like Nausee Harris. He
played in front of offensive lines that were kind of
couldn't quite get it right. And I think you do
occasionally find these players in the NFL that maybe the
fit's not perfect, and then they go to a second
place and you're like, oh, he's better than I thought.
I think Nausee Harris is one of those guys. What
(18:32):
did you see about him when you looked on film
and Pittsburgh? What did you say, Okay, that that's gonna
work here with the Chargers.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Everything that he does is at a high level and great,
and he's he's there every week.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
He's there every game, and it's so cool. I mean,
you mentioned a little bit about being in college.
Speaker 10 (18:54):
Before now and guys you recruited and guys that that
I coached. I mean, nobody recruited harder than Najie Harris,
you know up in Antio, California. Uh, you know, as
many trips as I could make I made there.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Uh yeah, and uh and Makay back then.
Speaker 10 (19:12):
I mean, I'm just I'm reminiscing going back to to
watching uh Makai play basketball and in high school and
being in a game where uh I see him see
him slam dunk of basketball and then uh then he
gets then he got elbowed. He got elbowed, he might
have broken his nose, and uh he went over to
the towel. There's blood coming out. He throwing a towel
(19:33):
from the bench, and you know, he wipes it off.
I think he was out for like, uh, you know,
like a whistle or two and then right back in
the game.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's that's my kind of
guy right there. And then to come to Michigan. He
went with the Louisville and at A had a tremendous career.
Speaker 10 (19:52):
But uh, just so many, so many great guys, so
many great uh great stories that way.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Uh, and I get you know, you get.
Speaker 10 (19:59):
A chance to to be a part of it and
coach these guys.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I mean you can imagine the excitement, you know, and.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
Still still kind of pull it down, uh, that we
have Justin Herbert and Derwin James. I mean, I just
I just loved him watching him play football. Uh, you know,
just an appreciation for how he played the game. And
now to be able to get to coach him. I mean,
Derwin James, he likes people that like football. If you
(20:29):
like football, you're gonna like Derwin James. And he's gonna
he's gonna like you back, and you just pull it
down that you get to get to coach these guys.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
You know, it's a it's a best darn drive ever had. Colin.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I was gonna say, you look good. You look you
look a little better than last year you've had. You
had a couple of hell things. Give me an update.
How do you feel, How are you doing? How's your cause?
You look good. You look younger than the last time
I had you. That's Southern California sushi.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
That's Jackie Harvall said that said the same thing. Uh yeah,
get that got a hip replaced. Uh, it's it's working great,
all patched up. The iron Horse had to go in
for a few uh fine tunings, and I had an
ablazing had an Ablazian done. That was Uh it was.
(21:16):
It was really really successful.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It was Uh. I was really super happy. My uh
my doctor, doctor Chipata.
Speaker 10 (21:23):
Uh he came in and tell me how it went,
and he goes, he went good, it went really good.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And uh, I go what every doctor says, it went good.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
I mean I never talked to a doctor after a
surgery that that.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
That uh said it didn't go well.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
I go tell me about it, and he, uh, I
mean he started describing what he did and and it
was like it was like a football player describing you know,
the miraculous uh you know way that he scored a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
You know, he really I could tell, Okay, now.
Speaker 10 (21:54):
We're getting somewhere, and uh he really he really feels
uh really feels good about it, you know, and uh
they kind of was described. Well, you know, why why
did I asked him, why why didn't they Why didn't
they fix that issue? You know, the the last time
I had this a place and well, you know it
wasn't you know, they're really good.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
The you know, the technology is a lot better. I go, now, doctor,
it was you, it was you.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
And uh so yeah, I.
Speaker 10 (22:21):
Feel you know it just it just fires you up
when uh, when you get that kind of you right
here and uh right.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Here in La.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
By the way, you saw Tawny pitch last night. I
think he's it's just unbelievable. It's just unbelievable. He's good looking,
he's great, Like you talk about the whole package.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
He's magnetic.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
When when you go to a Dodger game, it doesn't
even feel I mean, you know what great is when
great is when among great players they look up to you.
I always used to say this about Mike Tyson. Other
heavyweight fighters were intimidated by Mike Tyson. That's what great is.
You watched o'tawny last night. What do you see?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I was just blown away by the whole thing. Uh,
just everything. Uh, his his.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
Walk up song, I mean, uh, you know, the uh,
the way he puts his bat you know, at the
end of the top of the plate there and he
measures it and he puts his foot in the same spot,
and uh, you know, I really watched him as there
was my son Jack who's a who's a twelve year
old baseball player, and son Johnny who's eight, and Katie,
and I'm going just study him. Just watch watch, uh
(23:30):
watch him. He he's in a rhythm. Everything he does
is to create the rhythm. He does it the same
way every time. Look at that the pitching motion, whether
it's from the stretch or from the you know, from
the from.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
The wind up. His his routine.
Speaker 10 (23:45):
Rhythm, rhythm, you know, rhythm, get the rhythm, get the freak,
you know, get the get the freaking rhythm.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Rhythm, get the rhythm, get the freaking rhythm. You know it.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
You just watch it with him and uh yeah the
the uh hit him nukes a couple of nukes is
uh as Johnny with my son eight year old would say, uh,
just incredible. The walk up song is is so good.
Uh just everything about it. But that's sports, you know, Colin.
You gotta you've got to be able to uh to
(24:16):
get the rhythm. You get out of rhythm, you start
trying to make adjustments and and then you're out there,
You're out there floundering. So uh, youngsters in sports, uh,
you know, get in the rhythm, have that rhythm trained
and practiced.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And then go do your job. Uh get the rhythm
and and uh and let the chips fall where they may.
Speaker 10 (24:38):
But don't try to start start questioning yourself or making
uh making adjustments. I mean that's that's uh that's probably
my biggest takeaway of watching, uh watching last night's game.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah all right, And how about another l I guy,
J J.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Spahn? How cool was that?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You know, it's a amazing Is that JJ Sponge here?
Do you hear the story that he literally his daughter
was sick? Is that JJ Spahn calling you? He's his
daughter that morning? Call her back, so his his daughter
was throwing up. Sunday morning, he was up at three
in the morning, went to a CVS. He was working
(25:22):
on four hours sleep. Wow, and then he goes in
rain delay and this kid ends up hitting one of
the great pots in the history of the US Open.
He was up at three in the morning driving to
a CBS because his daughter. Well, that's what being a
great dad is. And he said, actually, he said, it
took my mind off golf. Yeah, I didn't think about golf.
(25:45):
I was worried about my daughter all day. And I
was like, sixty four foot Pott that that's a winner
right there.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
Yeah, how about the one where he hits the pen,
you know, it hits the great shot in there and
sucks up that it hits the pin and then it
goes oh brutal all the way back down. I mean this,
I mean one of the most brutal breaks you could get.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Uh, and uh, you know, it.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
Just he was just a he was just an iron
wall to that negativity that you know, just just just
shattered that adversity, that negativity, you know, negativity just crumble
and uh watch him go about his business.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I mean, uh, it was uh, it was tremendous.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Okay, listen, Andy Reid right now is working on plays.
You got to get back. I want some razzle dazzle
in that opener, Jim. I want something. I want something
with Mike Williams. I want something, Lad McConkey double pass.
I want you to go because I that game. I
have you winning the division and he's a wild card team,
so I know he's working right now. You got we
(26:47):
got to get back to work.
Speaker 10 (26:48):
Okay, Yes, sir, appreciate you having me on, Jim.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
It's great seeing you smiling more than you ever had.
The great Jim Harriball, Thanks.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Coach, Thanks Colin.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
He is all in on LA. He is watching.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Uh that story, JJ literally said, because I wasn't thinking
about golf, my daughter's heaving up. I'm trying to make
sure she didn't get sick. I am JJ spah, I'm
worried about all this other stuff. And uh, pretty good
week in La. Harbaugh Otawi, JJ spawn magical.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
What what was that?
Speaker 7 (27:26):
J mc oh, say, don't forget about j mc in
LA And I know you I think Chicago dinners, but
I got some good stuff going on as well.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Just for all right, I think we have to take
a break, don't we Yeah, we'll take a break back
with Jay mckenside.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Heard.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
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Speaker 1 (27:51):
We were talking about Dak Prescott earlier that he entered
the league, and I thought the Cowboys he was a
beneficiar of a great o' line, competent coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
The division was very.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Weak now and I think he's benefited greatly from being
a Dallas Cowboy quarterback, especially financially. Now, I think he's
the only glue holding the entire organization together. But to
give you some sense of how he has benefited being
a Cowboy quarterback, played blind resume and if you look
at Dak Prescott's career numbers so far, let's put his
(28:22):
let's put his numbers up so far, nine years, thirty
three thousand passing yards, and compare him to another quarterback
that has been in the NFL that's got similar numbers,
but more Pro bowls, more playoff wins, more conference championship appearances,
and more Super Bowl appearances. That quarterback is Jared Goff,
who has not made nearly as much as DAK or
(28:44):
been discussed nearly as much as DAK, and in fact
has been to a Super Bowl and has been close
to another and has arguably favored to get in another
in Detroit by the end of his contract. So yeah,
I think Dak has made a lot of money and
has benefited greatly, especially early in his career. Now I
think Dak is the only thing really holding Dallas together.
(29:07):
I don't like their coaching staff. Cross your fingers that
George Pickens can be productive and not disruptive. I think
he will be, at least early. But Dak has run
the gamut of the NFL experience healthy hurt, great O line,
rebuilding on line, best running back in the league to
(29:28):
the worst running back room in the league last year,
Noah MARII Cooper, then Amari Cooper. He's generally had one
good receiver, one big time perimeter target. But that's where
we stand with him. By the way, ok c we
had talked about this earlier, as you know, we always
glamorize yesteryear in the NBA, and you know this team
(29:49):
was this and this player was that. I do think
Oklahoma Cities defense just visually trusting your eyes. I do
think it's unique. More in the NBA now than ever
can hand the ball. I mean, you go back to
those Knicks teams and those Pacers series years ago they
made thirty for thirties on. I mean, there are very
few ball handlers and shooters. Everybody can Miles Turner now
(30:10):
can hit a three. The players are much more skilled,
and yet the Pacers look absolutely out of sorts. Steals,
block shots, they just get overwhelmed offensively. And Nick Wright
earlier today on okc's defense being totally legit.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
They are unlike any team in the last twenty years
in their ability to go on these twelve to two
or fourteen to two runs that are based purely on steals.
That it is not they hit a bunch of threes,
It is not the offense gets hot. It's that they
can have these game changing runs based on their defense.
(30:53):
The legion of Boom comp is apropos because they also
do something those guys did, which was we are going
to play with such a level of physicality from the
opening whistle of the game that we are going to
put the reps in an impossible position.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, and I think that was the Legion of Boom.
Another great NBA team that didn't win a title. John Stockton,
Karl Malone, Jerry Sloan, rest in Peace, that coach Jazz
teams for years were just physical and tough and they
got the whistle at home. But I mean, just think
about how skilled players are. You can go back to
(31:34):
these you know, these legendary shows about all these tough guys.
You didn't have seven guys who could handle the ball. Well,
you didn't have seven foot guys that could handle the ball.
Everybody now can handle it, can pass, can dribble, can shoot,
and all that said, when Halliburton's not on the floor,
and sometimes when he is, they're just out of sorts.
They feel like it's they're uncomfortable, And I think you
(31:55):
just have to be honest. I think this is an
all time defense. Young, twitchy, long, fast, and when Jalen
Williams is dropping forty, then you've got Lou Dort hitting threes,
Sga Chet Holmgren, who hasn't had a good offensive series.
But this is a very complete team. I don't know
if you'll keep them all. You're going to keep most
of them. But Jalen Williams, what a story. That kid
(32:15):
is Santa Clara three years. Last thing that he developed
that Santa Clara was offense.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Man. Good player.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
He's become a really dependable NBA offensive player.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
I was reading about him earlier. He was a three
star recruit in high school.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
That's it.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
And now he's dropping forty in the NBA Finals like
six years after that, Like Colin, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
He's a great story. I didn't think he was this good.
I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I did not, no either, or did I did not?
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