June 18, 2025 • 41 mins
The Dodgers-Padres rivalry is rather interesting to say the least
Colin talks to former NFL quarterback Mark Sanchez about how Aaron Rodgers will fit in with the Steelers culture and what Ben Johnson needs to do in order to get the most out of Caleb Williams
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go. It is hour two, first hour,
a lot of Caitlin Clark live in Chicago. It's The
Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. So in
order to have, in my opinion, a great rivalry, both
teams have to win. Ohio State Purdue is not a
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great rivalry. Ohio State wins too many of them. When
Michigan starts beating Ohio State regularly, it takes a great
rivalry and makes it even better. So you gotta go
back and forth. Yankees, Red Sox. It's I mean, come on,
the Red Sox tea trading away all their best players
to the National League West. That that's not Nobody cares
about the Red Sox anymore, Okay except people in Boston.
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The best rivalry in Baseball is Dodgers Podres. Since Otani arrived,
they've played twenty three games. The Dodgers have won twelve,
the Podreys of one eleven the eras. The runs are
almost identical. The Dodgers have twenty six home runs, the
Podreys have twenty seven. Both are star studded teams. The
difference is the Dodgers have trophies. The Dodgers have more
big superstars. The Dodgers are a wealthier, richer franchise and
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more iconic. But when these two teams meet, and last
night's another example, they cannot stand each other. Some of
it's proximity big brother, little brother. But last night the
Dodgers hit Tatise, a great player in the back, and
then you know, you'll see the tape and then eventually,
you know, the Podreys go after Otani, throwing it at
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his leg. And the Dodgers have so many stars, have
the lineups a star. There's a lot of big dogs
to go after. And this gets Dave Roberts all worked up. Roberts.
Last year, Manny Machado, the former Dodger now a Padre,
threw a baseball in the direction of the You know,
the Dodgers dug out. So this is an incredibly intense rivalry.
I don't want to hear the Cowboys and the Giants
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are a rivalry. They both stink Chiefs, Bills, Chiefs Ravens.
Bill's Ravens. That's a rivalry. And so that this is
baseball's best. They are star studded lineups. The National League,
along with the Mets, is stacked. And that you can
see the animosity. Podre fans will buy tickets and go
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up to Los Angeles Dodgers Stadium, Dodger Stadium, Dodger fans
will drive down I five and you know, flood the
Podres Ballpark. It is absolutely fantastic and a lot of
it's just proximity. But one franchise has so much young talent.
Not a lot of them rich yet, but a lot
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of young talent. And the Dodgers they're gonna go out
and they're gonna buy monkey bets and pay Freddie Freeman
and go buy I mean, the Dodgers have so much
money they'll go trade for pitchers who they know have
arm injury history. They just want them for big spots
in September and October. So there's a ton of animosity
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in this series last night. Once again it's cats and
dogs living together. And here's Dave Roberts.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Absolutely. I mean this guy, he hasn't come close. And
for me, it's like if they feel that's warranted on
their side, part of BASEBAF that's what they feel. And
I give them credit because they hit him in the leg.
Own it and we move on. But it's not a misfire.
I do feel those intentional And again that's part of baseball,
which we all understand.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, three of the last five years they have met
in the postseason. And we said this last year. The
National League playoffs last year were crazy. You could not
turn it off. It was palpable. The Dodgers, the Mets.
The National League right now is like the NBA's Western Conference.
It's insanely good and deep and rich. And this is
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the best rivalry. It is really intense, and uh, you know,
Manny Machado said after the game, He's like, man, they
got a lot of big dogs. They got a lot
of guys you can throw out. If you want to
get into you throw at us, We throw at you.
We got a lot, We got a lot of young guys.
They got a lot of stars. They got a lot
of Hall of Fame guys we can throw at So
if you want to play that game, we're ready to
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play that game. But it's amazing. Twenty three times they
have met since Ataani arrived, twenty three times, Dodgers twelve wins,
Podres eleven, Dodgers twenty seven home runs, Padres twenty six.
The runs are like one twelve to one away e
Er four four to four two. It's incredible how close
the series is. But at the end of the year,
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the Dodgers have had just a little more maybe bullpen
depth or or middle bottom of the order depth, and
have prevailed in real fascinating series with that Mark Sanchez,
who knows all about this rivalry in southern California. It's
crazy this. I mean, it used to be Giants Dodgers
when you and I, you know, ten fifteen years ago.
Now it's now it's Dodgers Padre. So let's start with
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this congratulations. First of all, you just had twins, your
lovely wife, you are a dad, you are now you're
Priace sleeping a little less. But I want to start
and say congratulations to you and your Familyeah, I can
see that a little bit, Buddy, congratulations.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
She's a superstar and I'm glad she did the delivery portion.
I was there to catch and you know, throw them
in that little incubator whatever you bake them back to
normal with.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And it was. It was intense.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
But it's been a great couple of months, and suffice
to say, I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
For a little football.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Maybe a road trip, go call a game or something
might be good right about now.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So well, congratulates. I was We've talked about Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron didn't need this move for the money, the fame,
or the legacy. He's a Hall of Famer first ballot
and he's rich. He didn't need it for anything. My
take is he loves football and he wants to play football,
and he respected Mike Tomlin and that's okay. I don't
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see him as a super Bowl team, but if you can,
I mean to me, I don't see why you'd play
you've had a major injury. I think it just comes
down to sometimes Aaron gives off the vibe that he
doesn't need football, but I think he loves football and
I think he likes playing it and he's good at it.
What is your take on him? Playing maybe just one
more year.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
I think there's two real things he got to look
at and dissect when you're talking about Aaron Rodgers and
the Steelers. I think there's the performance side, which we
can circle back to, but then there's also like this
cultural fit in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is one of those iconic brands,
and the only way I can kind of relate that
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way is the way you us he is. You know,
there's this iconic global brand that everybody recognizes and you're
either one of them or you're not. It's us or
them mentality. Phillies kind of like that. You know, there's
some iconic places that have this mentality and this give
off this vibe. Well, Aaron's a little different, and he's
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technically an outsider, you know, he's not Steelers like they
breed their own talent. We don't go higher and acquire
mercenaries to help us win games. We get our talent,
we draft our talent, we scalt our talent.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
That's what we do. You're one of us or you're not.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
So he's battling against that in the public eye because he's.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
An outspoken guy.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
You know, he was villainized, whether right, wrong, or a
different during the whole COVID thing and immunization, et cetera. Whatever, regardless,
the circumstances are what they are, and so there's some
of that. And when we circle back to performance, is
this is this blue collar city going to accept Aaron
Rodgers who's outspoken, a little brash at times, you know,
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a little counterculture, a little against the grain for good
or for bad. I'm not opining on those things. Whatever
he wants to do, will they accept him? Now we
circle back to performance. If he puts up his same
stat line that he had last year, especially the ten
games of the year, he went on a heater and
kept the Jets alive for a lot of the end
of the season. Last year with very little help from
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the defense and especially special teams, they lost at least
three games just with field goal kicking alone. So they're
really really struggling and he was kind of keeping them afloat.
If he can post those same numbers, that's a contender
right there.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
All you got to do is make the tournament. Just
ask me, I did it. We did it at nine
and seven my rookie year, and oh nine, we back
into the playoffs and we go on a run. That's
all he needs to do.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
And that sounds easy, But the guy threw for almost
four thousand yards coming off in Achilles.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Last year.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
He threw for sixty three percent completion percent, I mean,
twenty eight touchdowns, eleven picks.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
The guy has plenty left in the tank. That's after
an Achilles.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
So you tell me he's got a defense and some
sort of a running game, some weapons like a DK METCA.
I mean, there's pieces there. He's got to go through
a tough division. That's a tough road to hope, but
he knows how to play in the cold. He's done
this a million times.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I like the move. I think it has a real chance.
It's got legs.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
And you know, whether we're talking about the acceptance of
the city of Pittsburgh or his performance, I think they
will be tethered together.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
And the performance. Once you perform, people's tolerance seems to skyrocket.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So I want to ask you about Caleb Williams. So
I have had this belief that if you go look
at his first year at USC, he played with an
a system, and the first six games of his second
year he played within a system, and then Mark starting
with that blowout law at South Bend. His last six
USC games into his first year with Chicago, it's not
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been good. So my take has been is that USC's
O line at the end of his final year at
USC he didn't trust, and Lincoln didn't trust, and he
got into some bad habits of hero ball. He knew
he was going to be the number one pick to
protect himself. I would have done the same thing, and
I don't think Lincoln trusted the offensive line, so he
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let him do that to kind of survive. He goes
to Chicago, massive chaos, and the coaching staff they can't
help him or protect him again, kind of bad habits.
So I think Ben Johnson's primary job is Hew got
to clean this kid up. I love this kid, but
I do think it's fair that he's had about a
year and a half between USC's oll line and the Bears,
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that it's survival mode, and none of us grow during
survival mode. We're just trying to get through it. So
I see him as a brilliant quarterback. It's more of
a he needs a cleaning it more than an elevation.
You tell me, as a guy who played in this league.
Does that make sense at all?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I think you're you're really on the right track, and
with somebody that talented the trick for somebody as talented
as Ben Johnson has shown to be, and efficient and
successful as Ben Johnson has shown to be, he's got.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
To find a way to separate.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
You know, those impulsive decisions where the ball goes into
harm's way, where you're holding the ball in one hand
and don't see the defensive end running behind you, when
it's time to just operate within the system and keep
the car in the center lane fifty five miles an hour,
right down the center of the highway. Punt on fourth
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and six, you know, gain yards on third and fifteen,
backed up in your own territory, not trying to play
hero ball and throw the pick six from your own
twenty those kind of plays. I think he's had a
chance to try and work out of assistant and Ben
Johnson's job is to separate. When it's time to be
Superman and go throw on the cape, and when it's
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time to be Clark Kent and just operate the offense,
call the place and execute the plays that I'm I'm calling.
Whatever I say in the helmet, I'm gonna give you
two options. Just pick the best option and one. Sometimes
both of those options suck, pick the one that sucks less.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
That's all I need you to do right now now
on fourth and nine in the you know, divisional round
on the road, when you got to make a play.
Hell yeah, dude, let's go. This is the play. This
is where we're starting. It's like an essay prompt, right,
this is how This is the starting point.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
But you're gonna take this essay and this play wherever
the heck you want. We need a big play. You're
our guy. We trust you.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
So it's figuring out how to connect with him and
get him to operate in those modes. And it's one
of the most exhausting things to do as a quarterback
because you have to keep all of those number in
your head down in distance, time of the game, situation, score,
the play clock. You know, we're not just out here
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running plays for people's health.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
We have an objective.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
There's a purpose when the play caller calls a play.
So the sooner he can get him to understanding the
purpose of each play in that specific situation of that
specific game, this kid, the talent will take over for
everything else. Look at a guy like Matthew Stafford. He
plays a lot different today than he did when he
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threw the ball to Calvin Johnson into double coverage his
first five years in the league. It's just a different mentality.
Now he's an extension of the coaching staff on the field.
That's where they're trying to get Caleb Williams because he's
got on talent, like dripping on out of.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
His whole body.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I mean, he's got the talent you want from any
of your quarterbacks. Now it's about getting him to understand
how to play, when to make to make the risky
throw it, lose and win, to cut bait, move on
with your life, punt the ball, all right, let's regroup.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
We'll get them next drive.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And that's really one of the hardest things to accomplish
as a quarterback, that impulse control, because you have all
the time.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I want to I want to end with this. One
of the things about being a great team like Oklahoma
City Thunder, they have prioritized the right stuff. Defense, get
the ball to SGA and defense. Everybody's on the same page.
We need a shot. Defense, and I think prioritizing in business,
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in sports, in life, it could be a political campaign.
What are we prioritizing. So when Jen Cohen and before her,
USC prioritized, we're making thirty million dollars a year from
the PAC twelve. We can't compete with the big dogs
and the big ten in the SEC or that are
making eighty million dollars a year. So USC prioritized we're
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going to change conferences. It worked everybody in the building,
new guys, we can't compete. We can get on thirty
million dollars TV contracts.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Then the second thing they're in the conference, here comes
Jen Cohen, takes over for Mike Bone and then Jen
prioritizes Lincoln. We got to get the nil up and
we got to get to the playoffs. And so now
there's potential games in Oregon, in Washington, at Penn State,
at Michigan Ohio State. No more Washington states in Oregon states.
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So USC is saying we don't want a South Bend
game after a Penn State Ohio State game. We may
play it, but on our terms. We're in't a conference,
you're not early in the year. And so I am
defending USC. We're all the tradition. Your entire conference ended.
Stop with a tradition. Talk you can pay high school
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football players. Stop that. I do defend USC saying we
are prioritizing getting into the Big ten, get the nil
up and get the playoffs. Well, guess what a fourth
cold weather game hurt your chances to get into the playoffs.
Do you defend USC saying, hey, Notre Dame's history, it's
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not the end of the world, or are you old school?
You gotta play the Irish annually?
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Well, the whole idea was to bring the country together, right,
to make the country smaller, and you know, in the
inception of this game and have this rivalry kind of
almost cross country, if you.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Will, right, And.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
I think it served that purpose. I think it's been
a beautiful tradition. The issue there is my understanding at least,
was we'd always play at Notre Dame in like September October,
latest was October, and we'd always play.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Them at home. That was in South Bend.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
We'd always play them at home in Los Angeles and
the Coliseum right around Thanksgiving ish because of the weather.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
And that was just kind of set up forever ago,
because that's the way it is.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
We want beautiful weather, we'd like to have a competitive game.
We probably don't want the three nothing snow game in
a Blizzard that doesn't, you know, attract viewers. That doesn't
make this game fun and exciting. So I understand all
of those points. I think it would there would be
something missing if you don't see UCLA and Notre Dame
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on the schedule. I think that's a little strange as
a USC former USC player, but it's not the end
of the world, because you might end up finding them
in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Anyway, that sounds like.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
It's just it's it's a tough one to just kind
of sever ties, you know what I mean. There's like
that one takes a while to to really rebound from.
I guess emotionally, you know, you just kind of you're
gonna miss that. There's something to it. It's a beautiful tradition.
I enjoyed being part of it, and it meant something
to both sides, and that's what made it fun. On
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a totally separate note, I think what you said about
Jen Cohen is spot on.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Position that US season this year, especially with Chad Bowden.
I don't know if you've had a chance to talk
to him, but the GM there now, Yeah is lights
out and it's really you're getting the same messaging from Jen,
Chad Bowden and coach Riley, and everybody's rolling that boat
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in the same direction. It feels good, it sounds right.
That twenty six class looks incredible. This is going in
a way that gets me, as a former player, really excited.
And I think Chad Bowden, after the success he's had
it Notre Dame, I think he's going to want to
play those guys, you know, I think he would miss
playing those guys.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
And he's the one who really started to turn that
thing around.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
There got the right players with the right attitude that
wanted to be a part of that Notre Dame tradition.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
He's getting those guys that want to be a part
of this SC tradition.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
So this is going to take a lot off of
Lincoln's plate and let him be that play caller. Let
him hyper focus and singularly focus on third downs, red zone,
get these guys in the right position, and let our
athletes take over. Chad's going to get you the athletes.
Chad Bealen's going to get all the players. He's got
the connects with everybody he's going to lock down California
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and none of the good players should be leaving this state.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
You play for the se interlock on your chest and
on your helmet. That's a big deal. And so he's
reminding the people of that.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
So there's been a revitalization, it feels like, and hopefully
Notre Dame is still a part of the schedule.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Mark Sanchez, great seeing you get rest. Congratulate on the
on the on the twins and your life and the
next chapter of a great life so far.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Good luck, buddy, Appreciate you man, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, it is interesting if you look at the playoffs
going to be extended? Is it fourteen teams?
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Now?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
If you look at Notre dame schedule because they're not
a full member of a conference, usc excuse me, Notre
Dame is going to get into that tournament a lot
if Marcus Freeman's the coach, he's you know, when Brian
Kelly left, were like, we think he'll be good. He's
a great recruiter. Is he a good coach? Yeah, he's
a good coach. So Notre Dame's getting into that thing.
I don't worry about Notre Dame getting into the playoff
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USC out of the big ten. I don't know, but
the idea they wouldn't meet, they could meet regularly. Notre
Dame is going to be getting into that playoff. The
more it gets expanded, the more it ensures that because
of all these big teams, the Bamas Georgia's, Notre Dame
controls their schedule to a higher degree. That's why they
signed a twelve year contract with Clemson. They need big games.
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They don't have enough of them on their schedule. USC, Georgia, LSU,
Ohio State. Those teams you want some breathers, you know,
you want to lay up occasionally. Notre Dame's got plenty
of those. They have to schedule up sometimes. The big
boys schedule down in the major conferences.
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Speaker 2 (21:33):
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Speaker 6 (21:35):
I love when you say that because I feel like
every week's good for us. And we just got some
breaking news column in the NFL. Breaking news out of Baltimore.
The Ravens have signed Packers cornerback Jayi Alexander to a
one year, six million dollar deal. Packers tried to trade
him this offseason, no takers, so they just dumped him.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Now.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Yesterday, ironically, Lamar Jackson was advocating for signing his former
teammate in Louisville.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
That's Diyar Alexander, and now they're reunited.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
So I was just digging into some of their defensive stats.
They got a good young cornerback out of Clemson, Wiggins,
who played pretty well last year.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
And they have Humphrey in the slot who's excellent.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
He's getting a little old, but they do have an
opening at the other corner a Woozi, a former cowboy
from m Bengal. He's okay. Getting Alexander is a good fit.
Their secondary now, if you look at safeties and corners,
might be.
Speaker 8 (22:26):
The best in the league.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
They got the young kids starts from Georgia and of
course Kyle Hamill Hamilton. They're loaded in the secondary, which
is doing it a little different. Right. We haven't seen
this formation. Hey, let's go safeties in corners. I think
they might have the best secondary in the league.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, JAHI here is a great player. He just hurt
a lot, and.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
He's a little kookies. He says some wacky stuff.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Well, I think cornerbacks are the receivers of defense, where
they you have to play with a heightened level of
confidence because you you know, for a cornerback, if you
get burned, you can't let that play beat you again.
You have to play with an kind of exaggerated sense
of importance and confidence. So I always give cornerbacks and receivers,
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especially corners, you're the only guy. You're on an island.
There's no other position in football. Like, if you throw
a deep ball and the receiver doesn't get it, you
don't blame him. But if a corner, if a corner
can get beat on a play. Jalen Ramsey was one
of the best corners in football for six years and
then in a couple of high profile games he got
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beat deep and the Rams moved off it like you
just this. The floor on a corner is basically if
you get beat once in a big game, teams will
move off you. I mean the Chiefs moved off Snead,
who was a tremendous player.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
He also wanted a lot of money, got it from
the Titans. My only thing, I'm looking at the biggest
contenders in the AFC. I guess if you toss the
Bengals in there, this would be a big help because
they have Higgins and Chase. But like the Buffalo Bills,
go look at their game against the Ravens last year
COL in the playoff when they beat when Mark Andrews
dropped that pass, the Bills were going to Shakir in
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the slot, and then they're tight ends. They're not a
big wide receiver team. The Chiefs don't have a great
ride receiver. So I mean, I get this as a move.
I don't think it like puts them over the top
or anything. But ultimately I'm surprised other teams didn't get
in vault in ALEXA six Mills kind of feels cheap.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No, yeah, it does. A good player, all right.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Let's move on to the Green Bay Packers colin the
toughest division in football. Probably Lafleur and Gudakuns have two
years left on their contracts and the team will not
extend them ahead of the season. New team president for
a name ed Policy says that he is generally opposed
to having them have lame duck status, but later added,
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those are certain situations that probably call for it. So
I would never say never. Is this a big deal,
no dealing, nothing to see here.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Oh, generally the contracts of packer coaches and gms doesn't
It's not like public fodder. I don't think, you know.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
I mean, they have something to proved this year, like
what if they missed the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
It's not out of the realm.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think the I think it's the second best division
in football after the AFC West.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
So that an excuse, like, hey, we're worth those guys.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
There are excuses and reasons. An excuse is the dog
ate my homer. A reason is my mom got into
a wreck driving us to school. That's a reason. It's
not an excuse. I mean, if you have the Lions
may have the best roster next to Philli in the league.
You know Chicago. Now, Chicago's roster's outstanding. If Ben Johnson
can coach and Caleb can play. Minnesota, I mean, don't
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we think Minnesota's personnel's top seven eight in the league.
I do so, and so my take is, yeah, it's okay,
you just lost probably your arguably your best corner, Jay
r Alexander when he's healthy. So and by the way,
you draft a receiver because you don't necessarily trust the
younger you have with health or performance. So I think
I'm not as high on Green Bay as everybody else is.
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I think I think Detroit wins the division in Chicago's
the wild guard team. I don't think right now personnel wise.
I've always said I think Green Bay drafts and develops
at an incredibly higher level. But they don't have right
now a lot of great players. Minnesota's got some great players.
They're left tackle and Jefferson are great players. Chicago sweat
(26:27):
Jalen Johnson just on defense. Those are great players. Green Bay.
Who's green Bay's best player? They have a lot of
good play this players. They don't have a lot of
holes reliabilities.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
Well, it's funny you say that.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Uh So Lafleur got there, got Aaron Rodgers and they
had some deep playoff runs.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
I was dubious of la Floor, but.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
It was like, oh, he's making deep playoff runs.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Aaron Rodgers leads how many deep playoff.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Runs post Aaron Rodgers with the floor Helen, They get
out there.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Putting out Dallas in Dallas. I think, I think, I
think what has happened to green Bay? They're a little
bit like the Indianapolis Colts. We like their GM, we
like their roster. We're just not sure how great they
are at quarterback and they don't have a lot of like,
oh my god players. They don't have a lot of
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like top I mean, there are certain teams in this
if you look at the Rams, Stafford, Jared Verse, Puka Nakua,
those are elite player. Baltimore's got a handful of those,
a Ronnie Stanley, Kyle Handam, Hamilton, the center from Iowa,
Lamar Jackson. Green Bay doesn't have a lot of Wow God,
(27:46):
they think that the Texas receiver in the first round
is one of those guys. And green Bay's like Indy's
got a lot of nice players, and I like their
drafting and developing, but there's not a lot of wow
guys on this roster.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
I like the we don't know about uarterback Jordan loves
making like fifty million dollars a year, let's go to
the NBA Colin where we discussed Jalen Williams Big Game
five with the forty piece. Now, of course, this is
what the media does. You can't just say he had
a really good game, nice job. You have to go
over the top. And some dopes are comparing him to
Scottie Pippen, if SGA's Michael Jordan and now you got
(28:18):
your one two punch.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Well, Lou Williams, do.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
You have every sweet Lou Williams great hand, old bucket getter,
six man.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
He has come in and said.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Pump the brakes were comparing these current players to legends.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
Thank you, Lou Williams.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
I'm at war with so all of my nostalgias, still
being so prossed, still being such a thing to us. Right,
we got to move on. Jalen Williams is paving his
own path, so I understand the comparison. I understand where
he's trying to get off. But allow some of these
we got to start allowing these young guys in media,
with our opinions, to create the best form of themselves.
(28:52):
It's twenty four years old. Allow him to create his legacy,
allow him to create his name.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I am on a team. Jalen Williams. He's a better
shooter than Pippin.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
Oh god, he's twenty four years old. Coach, settle down.
He's a better shooter than Scotty Pippen.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Already, I covered Pippin in Portland. I never trusted Pippin.
I never trusted him to hit a big jumper. I
there's no question Jalen Williams, in my opinion, Jalen Williams
is a more skilled offensive player than Scotti Pippen. Pippin's
a better defender, Oh my god. But in terms of
offensive skill, first of all, three point shooting Williams.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
I mean it's a three point era. He's zacking waymore.
Damn it count. Why do you do this for me? Gosh,
I get so up.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Said. Let me remind you when Michael Jordan quit walked
away from basketball, Scottie Pippen was the alpha, and then
the Bulls are like a fifty six win season. He
was a superstar by himself as the leader. There's no
way if STA's out all next year, Jalen Williams is
leading his team to fifty six weeks.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
This's just not happened.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I absolutely he would absolutely, he would, oh absolutely with
this team. This roster is filthyed deep. Absolutely, fifty five wins,
no question, absolutely.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
Coward, you're my guy. But come on, are you drinking
the drinking the Jalen Williams.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Do you or do you know how much better the
league is in terms of skill?
Speaker 8 (30:12):
Now, yes, I agree, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I mean everybody on that team, Caruso to Dork can
hit a three. Everybody can hit a three. They wouldn't
be as good, they wouldn't have their closer. But Jalen
next year is going to average twenty four home Gun's
gonna average nineteen to twenty. They're the best defensive team
of the great coach and the best depth. They would
win fifty games without SGA without in the They're not
(30:35):
in the title, but they would get to the playoffs
probably defensively win a SERI. SGA is not one of
their better defenders. They're winning games on defense. It kickstarts
their offense.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Can we at least get Jalen Williams on like the
US Olympic team, which, by the way, Scotty Pippot was on.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
Can we like see that?
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I mean the hype three This guy, this is a
guy who in game three had like six turnovers and
his handle was a mess. He looked like Jalen Brown
dribbling in the finals. I'm just saying, at twenty four
years old, very good.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
He is more skilled offensively than Pippens. He is not
Pippen the complete player yet, although as length tells you,
he's a pretty good defender. He is a good defender.
But Pippin's resume is better, his in total game and
his confidence. This is still an ascending player. Pippen was,
you know, becoming more at twenty five, a complete player,
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but in at both small school guys. But I'm just
saying from an offensive skill perspective, Jalen Williams a better player.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
And to be fair, Pippen had of course the migrain
headache which everybody remembers against the Pistons.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
I don't want to go in the game, you know,
really that early in his career.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
So if you want to compare this Jalen Williams to
that Pippin, fine, But I mean Scottie Pippen like he's
almost underrated at this point, isn't.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
He No, he's not underrated. He's called the best, the best.
Robin ever, I don't think that's underrated.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
I would go Kobe is the best Robin ever to
Shack with those Lakers team, Well.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
They were kind of they were kind of. One was
the emerging as the best perimeter guy. One was the
best dominant inside guy. I never looked at it a
one and two. I thought Shack was more dominant, but
Kobe had his nights as well.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Think Kobe took a back seat to Shack. It's just
Shack was more.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Pretty sure, Shaq won three finals mvpzer Dadi and I know.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well step doesn't take a back seat to KD. KD
was winning final tend at good point.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
J mckwhin, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping
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Speaker 1 (32:34):
Lamar Jackson wants to be he wants to be paid already.
Is wants more. Caitlin Clark the story that just keeps
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Speaker 6 (32:57):
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Speaker 8 (33:07):
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Speaker 6 (33:08):
Check local listings for the game in your area, Saturday,
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Speaker 1 (33:14):
Do you know how much j Mack? Do you know
what the cap hit for Josh Allen currently in the NFL?
How much of a cap hit is he in the
NFL for the Bills?
Speaker 6 (33:25):
So this is either super low or super high. I
will guess blindly it's low.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
He's tenth, which is he could be number one. He's
the most talented player. He's tenth in cafe. How about
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Okay, he's always reworking his diago.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Eighth He's fourteenth. Wow, So it tells you they both
have good rosters. So right now, Lamar Jackson is the
tenth highest paid quarterback, so you could say to yourself,
you're kind of getting job now. His contract runs through
twenty twenty seven, so he deserves there's tweaking and he
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should be paid one of the top five. You're not
always gonna be perfect right now. The highest paid quarterbacks
are Dak, Josh Allen, Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Jordan Love, Tua Brock, Perty,
Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson. It should be noted
Dak's on a bad roster, Burrow's roster is okay, Trevor
Lawrence roster okay, Jordan Love roster, lack stars to a roster,
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and Purdy's rosters overstated. Justin Herbert will see so about
half the time when you pay the quarterback big money,
it hurts your overall roster. I think I think Lamar
Jackson's smart enough to figure that out. You know, Drew
Brees had a couple of lean years in New Orleans.
It was when he was getting paid the most, and
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then Sean Payton and the guys went to him and said,
if you want better players, you got to take less money.
So it should be noted that Josh Allen on his
six year deal, he took a ninety million dollar discount
so on his three hundred and thirty million dollar extension,
and I know you know that, You're just like, wow,
how could you do that?
Speaker 8 (35:00):
It be hard.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm not denying that, But Josh Allen wants to be
an all time great, not the all time richest guy.
Kirk Cousins got a lot of money. And when we
think of Kirk Cousins, we think he has a lot
of money. I think when you're as good as Josh
Allen or Lamar Jackson, or or Brady or Breeze, I
think you're I think basically things supersed money. I mean
(35:25):
Tom Brady signed a massive contract with Fox. He doesn't
do that with one or two Super Bowl rings. He
does it with seven. So I mean it's just Michael
Jordan has never been a broadcaster before. He just signed
a massive contract, was at NBC. It's because he's got
six rings. So for Lamar he got to get that
ring because I think he is an all time talent.
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He's the most athletic quarterback, including Michael Vick I've ever seen,
including Steve Young, Brett Farr. I think he's it. So
he was asked about his current contract situation and where
he's at with it.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
How would you describe whatever conversation should you've out of
Derek to this point?
Speaker 8 (36:01):
And are you feeling any urgency to get something done
on the You know.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I never discussed contract.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
It's just oasis here, but yeah, I want to talk
about it.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Is that okay with you.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
What I said, though, that want to get done, you're
gonna get a highest player in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I mean that must sound pretty.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Right, so good.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, he didn't want to talk about it. Uh, And
I think it's very it's very simple to figure out, Like,
you want a better roster, you want better supporting cast,
you gotta take a little less money.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
The good news is, and I've always said this with
the NBA, if you're a great player, you're making eight
figures in shoes. Some of these guys are making six
to seven figures in social media stuff production companies. So again,
I understand players always taking the most they can take,
but I think there is an exception. If you believe
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you're an all time great talent, and I think Lamar
is in that class. I've never seen an athlete like
this at quarterback, then money becomes secondary. You're gonna make
your money. You're an all time great. Dan Marino didn't
even have a Super Bowl. He made a lot of
money broadcasting, merchandising, Isotona gloves, whatever. So my take is,
(37:18):
if your Kirk cousins take the money, if you're Josh Allen,
take a little less and get rings. And I think
I think Lamar's in that class. And then that's my
take on Lebron James. I mean, now, now Lebron may
be saying, hey, I'm not taking anything lest but you
got a production company, you got a massive podcast, real estate,
you're a billion net worth, shoe deals at some point.
I always think this, when you get into these sports,
(37:42):
it's a collective right. When players retire, what is the
thing they say? They always miss the locker room, the
flight the guys. Nobody ever says the check because they're
all rich, especially nowadays, they miss the common You know,
(38:02):
when we asked those players, what do you miss, it's
usually the great players because the locker room and those
flights home are always awesome when you win, They're not awesome.
They're not awesome when you lose. How can I, as
a star player ensure we win more than we lose?
And now, part of it is luck? Who drafted you?
(38:23):
Raven's are a great organization. He got lucky, Jordan Love
got lucky. You know, the Hunt family, Mahomes got lucky,
Brady got Belichick and Robert Kraft. Some of it's luck.
And you can, like Joe Burrow did not get as lucky.
You know, Derek Carr, say what you want. With the Raiders,
they were swimming in chaos. Did not get as lucky,
and so I think you Lebar has to be grateful
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that he landed in one of the great organizations in
North American sports. But I also think Baltimore's damn lucky
to have him, you know, to go from Joe Flacco
to Lebar Jackson and not miss a beat. That doesn't
happen much to Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck. So I
think it'll get worked out. Lamar didn't want to talk
about it. I would pay him. Here's another thing, quick story,
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j Mack, you're kind of a Rams hater. Left tackle
Alaric Jackson not at mini camp for the Rams. Blood clock.
Oh this this is not the first time. So it
was very interesting. In the draft they did not surprisingly
take a corner or an offensive tackle, yet they took
another running back and another edge rusher. And some people said, well,
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what's the point. And I'm not going to question the
Rams drafting, but I did think it was strange they
did not draft a left tackle. I had them going second, third,
fourth pick. They didn't. And now the reason Alaric's not
Trent Williams. He's undrafted. Andrew Whitworth retired, He's an undrafted player.
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Matt Stafford's thirty seven left tackle means more to this
team than almost any other team in the LA Matt
is one of the last pocket quarterbacks. Left tackle for
the Lions. Left tackle for the Rams is even more
important than it is for the Ravens or the Chiefs,
or the Bills or Arizona. So this is a real thing.
Blood clots miscamp not the first time, so Andrew Whitworth
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has championed this player very rarely in the history of
the NFL. Do you have an undrafted left tackle almost
every great left tackle in the history of the league.
I mean it's like twenty five out of thirty our
first round guys. The planet just does not give you
six foot six, three hundred and thirty pound guys with
good feet. The man upstairs doesn't create many of those,
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about one a year on the planet. So this is
something to watch. Keep your eye on this. So Stafford's
blind side is a real thing. Remember they win a
Super Bowl. Whitworth's retires the next year. Their O line
is rated twenty fifth Sean McVay has his worst season.
The only thing that's ever disrupted winning for Sean McVay
offensive line of shoes. Keep your eye on this. That's
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a big one. I know, you know, j Max. Always
looking for reasons the Rams are gonna fake, Always looking
on the negative side with the rag
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go. It is hour two, first hour,
a lot of Caitlin Clark live in Chicago. It's The
Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. So in
order to have, in my opinion, a great rivalry, both
teams have to win. Ohio State Purdue is not a
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great rivalry. Ohio State wins too many of them. When
Michigan starts beating Ohio State regularly, it takes a great
rivalry and makes it even better. So you gotta go
back and forth. Yankees, Red Sox. It's I mean, come on,
the Red Sox tea trading away all their best players
to the National League West. That that's not Nobody cares
about the Red Sox anymore, Okay except people in Boston.
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The best rivalry in Baseball is Dodgers Podres. Since Otani arrived,
they've played twenty three games. The Dodgers have won twelve,
the Podreys of one eleven the eras. The runs are
almost identical. The Dodgers have twenty six home runs, the
Podreys have twenty seven. Both are star studded teams. The
difference is the Dodgers have trophies. The Dodgers have more
big superstars. The Dodgers are a wealthier, richer franchise and
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more iconic. But when these two teams meet, and last
night's another example, they cannot stand each other. Some of
it's proximity big brother, little brother. But last night the
Dodgers hit Tatise, a great player in the back, and
then you know, you'll see the tape and then eventually,
you know, the Podreys go after Otani, throwing it at
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his leg. And the Dodgers have so many stars, have
the lineups a star. There's a lot of big dogs
to go after. And this gets Dave Roberts all worked up. Roberts.
Last year, Manny Machado, the former Dodger now a Padre,
threw a baseball in the direction of the You know,
the Dodgers dug out. So this is an incredibly intense rivalry.
I don't want to hear the Cowboys and the Giants
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are a rivalry. They both stink Chiefs, Bills, Chiefs Ravens.
Bill's Ravens. That's a rivalry. And so that this is
baseball's best. They are star studded lineups. The National League,
along with the Mets, is stacked. And that you can
see the animosity. Podre fans will buy tickets and go
(02:36):
up to Los Angeles Dodgers Stadium, Dodger Stadium, Dodger fans
will drive down I five and you know, flood the
Podres Ballpark. It is absolutely fantastic and a lot of
it's just proximity. But one franchise has so much young talent.
Not a lot of them rich yet, but a lot
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of young talent. And the Dodgers they're gonna go out
and they're gonna buy monkey bets and pay Freddie Freeman
and go buy I mean, the Dodgers have so much
money they'll go trade for pitchers who they know have
arm injury history. They just want them for big spots
in September and October. So there's a ton of animosity
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in this series last night. Once again it's cats and
dogs living together. And here's Dave Roberts.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Absolutely. I mean this guy, he hasn't come close. And
for me, it's like if they feel that's warranted on
their side, part of BASEBAF that's what they feel. And
I give them credit because they hit him in the leg.
Own it and we move on. But it's not a misfire.
I do feel those intentional And again that's part of baseball,
which we all understand.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, three of the last five years they have met
in the postseason. And we said this last year. The
National League playoffs last year were crazy. You could not
turn it off. It was palpable. The Dodgers, the Mets.
The National League right now is like the NBA's Western Conference.
It's insanely good and deep and rich. And this is
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the best rivalry. It is really intense, and uh, you know,
Manny Machado said after the game, He's like, man, they
got a lot of big dogs. They got a lot
of guys you can throw out. If you want to
get into you throw at us, We throw at you.
We got a lot, We got a lot of young guys.
They got a lot of stars. They got a lot
of Hall of Fame guys we can throw at So
if you want to play that game, we're ready to
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play that game. But it's amazing. Twenty three times they
have met since Ataani arrived, twenty three times, Dodgers twelve wins,
Podres eleven, Dodgers twenty seven home runs, Padres twenty six.
The runs are like one twelve to one away e
Er four four to four two. It's incredible how close
the series is. But at the end of the year,
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the Dodgers have had just a little more maybe bullpen
depth or or middle bottom of the order depth, and
have prevailed in real fascinating series with that Mark Sanchez,
who knows all about this rivalry in southern California. It's
crazy this. I mean, it used to be Giants Dodgers
when you and I, you know, ten fifteen years ago.
Now it's now it's Dodgers Padre. So let's start with
(05:14):
this congratulations. First of all, you just had twins, your
lovely wife, you are a dad, you are now you're
Priace sleeping a little less. But I want to start
and say congratulations to you and your Familyeah, I can
see that a little bit, Buddy, congratulations.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
She's a superstar and I'm glad she did the delivery portion.
I was there to catch and you know, throw them
in that little incubator whatever you bake them back to
normal with.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And it was. It was intense.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
But it's been a great couple of months, and suffice
to say, I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
For a little football.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Maybe a road trip, go call a game or something
might be good right about now.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So well, congratulates. I was We've talked about Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron didn't need this move for the money, the fame,
or the legacy. He's a Hall of Famer first ballot
and he's rich. He didn't need it for anything. My
take is he loves football and he wants to play football,
and he respected Mike Tomlin and that's okay. I don't
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see him as a super Bowl team, but if you can,
I mean to me, I don't see why you'd play
you've had a major injury. I think it just comes
down to sometimes Aaron gives off the vibe that he
doesn't need football, but I think he loves football and
I think he likes playing it and he's good at it.
What is your take on him? Playing maybe just one
more year.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
I think there's two real things he got to look
at and dissect when you're talking about Aaron Rodgers and
the Steelers. I think there's the performance side, which we
can circle back to, but then there's also like this
cultural fit in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is one of those iconic brands,
and the only way I can kind of relate that
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way is the way you us he is. You know,
there's this iconic global brand that everybody recognizes and you're
either one of them or you're not. It's us or
them mentality. Phillies kind of like that. You know, there's
some iconic places that have this mentality and this give
off this vibe. Well, Aaron's a little different, and he's
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technically an outsider, you know, he's not Steelers like they
breed their own talent. We don't go higher and acquire
mercenaries to help us win games. We get our talent,
we draft our talent, we scalt our talent.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
That's what we do. You're one of us or you're not.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
So he's battling against that in the public eye because he's.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
An outspoken guy.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
You know, he was villainized, whether right, wrong, or a
different during the whole COVID thing and immunization, et cetera. Whatever, regardless,
the circumstances are what they are, and so there's some
of that. And when we circle back to performance, is
this is this blue collar city going to accept Aaron
Rodgers who's outspoken, a little brash at times, you know,
(08:05):
a little counterculture, a little against the grain for good
or for bad. I'm not opining on those things. Whatever
he wants to do, will they accept him? Now we
circle back to performance. If he puts up his same
stat line that he had last year, especially the ten
games of the year, he went on a heater and
kept the Jets alive for a lot of the end
of the season. Last year with very little help from
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the defense and especially special teams, they lost at least
three games just with field goal kicking alone. So they're
really really struggling and he was kind of keeping them afloat.
If he can post those same numbers, that's a contender
right there.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
All you got to do is make the tournament. Just
ask me, I did it. We did it at nine
and seven my rookie year, and oh nine, we back
into the playoffs and we go on a run. That's
all he needs to do.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
And that sounds easy, But the guy threw for almost
four thousand yards coming off in Achilles.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Last year.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
He threw for sixty three percent completion percent, I mean,
twenty eight touchdowns, eleven picks.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
The guy has plenty left in the tank. That's after
an Achilles.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
So you tell me he's got a defense and some
sort of a running game, some weapons like a DK METCA.
I mean, there's pieces there. He's got to go through
a tough division. That's a tough road to hope, but
he knows how to play in the cold. He's done
this a million times.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I like the move. I think it has a real chance.
It's got legs.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
And you know, whether we're talking about the acceptance of
the city of Pittsburgh or his performance, I think they
will be tethered together.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
And the performance. Once you perform, people's tolerance seems to skyrocket.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So I want to ask you about Caleb Williams. So
I have had this belief that if you go look
at his first year at USC, he played with an
a system, and the first six games of his second
year he played within a system, and then Mark starting
with that blowout law at South Bend. His last six
USC games into his first year with Chicago, it's not
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been good. So my take has been is that USC's
O line at the end of his final year at
USC he didn't trust, and Lincoln didn't trust, and he
got into some bad habits of hero ball. He knew
he was going to be the number one pick to
protect himself. I would have done the same thing, and
I don't think Lincoln trusted the offensive line, so he
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let him do that to kind of survive. He goes
to Chicago, massive chaos, and the coaching staff they can't
help him or protect him again, kind of bad habits.
So I think Ben Johnson's primary job is Hew got
to clean this kid up. I love this kid, but
I do think it's fair that he's had about a
year and a half between USC's oll line and the Bears,
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that it's survival mode, and none of us grow during
survival mode. We're just trying to get through it. So
I see him as a brilliant quarterback. It's more of
a he needs a cleaning it more than an elevation.
You tell me, as a guy who played in this league.
Does that make sense at all?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I think you're you're really on the right track, and
with somebody that talented the trick for somebody as talented
as Ben Johnson has shown to be, and efficient and
successful as Ben Johnson has shown to be, he's got.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
To find a way to separate.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
You know, those impulsive decisions where the ball goes into
harm's way, where you're holding the ball in one hand
and don't see the defensive end running behind you, when
it's time to just operate within the system and keep
the car in the center lane fifty five miles an hour,
right down the center of the highway. Punt on fourth
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and six, you know, gain yards on third and fifteen,
backed up in your own territory, not trying to play
hero ball and throw the pick six from your own
twenty those kind of plays. I think he's had a
chance to try and work out of assistant and Ben
Johnson's job is to separate. When it's time to be
Superman and go throw on the cape, and when it's
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time to be Clark Kent and just operate the offense,
call the place and execute the plays that I'm I'm calling.
Whatever I say in the helmet, I'm gonna give you
two options. Just pick the best option and one. Sometimes
both of those options suck, pick the one that sucks less.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
That's all I need you to do right now now
on fourth and nine in the you know, divisional round
on the road, when you got to make a play.
Hell yeah, dude, let's go. This is the play. This
is where we're starting. It's like an essay prompt, right,
this is how This is the starting point.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
But you're gonna take this essay and this play wherever
the heck you want. We need a big play. You're
our guy. We trust you.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
So it's figuring out how to connect with him and
get him to operate in those modes. And it's one
of the most exhausting things to do as a quarterback
because you have to keep all of those number in
your head down in distance, time of the game, situation, score,
the play clock. You know, we're not just out here
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running plays for people's health.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
We have an objective.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
There's a purpose when the play caller calls a play.
So the sooner he can get him to understanding the
purpose of each play in that specific situation of that
specific game, this kid, the talent will take over for
everything else. Look at a guy like Matthew Stafford. He
plays a lot different today than he did when he
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threw the ball to Calvin Johnson into double coverage his
first five years in the league. It's just a different mentality.
Now he's an extension of the coaching staff on the field.
That's where they're trying to get Caleb Williams because he's
got on talent, like dripping on out of.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
His whole body.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I mean, he's got the talent you want from any
of your quarterbacks. Now it's about getting him to understand
how to play, when to make to make the risky
throw it, lose and win, to cut bait, move on
with your life, punt the ball, all right, let's regroup.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
We'll get them next drive.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And that's really one of the hardest things to accomplish
as a quarterback, that impulse control, because you have all
the time.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I want to I want to end with this. One
of the things about being a great team like Oklahoma
City Thunder, they have prioritized the right stuff. Defense, get
the ball to SGA and defense. Everybody's on the same page.
We need a shot. Defense, and I think prioritizing in business,
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in sports, in life, it could be a political campaign.
What are we prioritizing. So when Jen Cohen and before her,
USC prioritized, we're making thirty million dollars a year from
the PAC twelve. We can't compete with the big dogs
and the big ten in the SEC or that are
making eighty million dollars a year. So USC prioritized we're
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going to change conferences. It worked everybody in the building,
new guys, we can't compete. We can get on thirty
million dollars TV contracts.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Then the second thing they're in the conference, here comes
Jen Cohen, takes over for Mike Bone and then Jen
prioritizes Lincoln. We got to get the nil up and
we got to get to the playoffs. And so now
there's potential games in Oregon, in Washington, at Penn State,
at Michigan Ohio State. No more Washington states in Oregon states.
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So USC is saying we don't want a South Bend
game after a Penn State Ohio State game. We may
play it, but on our terms. We're in't a conference,
you're not early in the year. And so I am
defending USC. We're all the tradition. Your entire conference ended.
Stop with a tradition. Talk you can pay high school
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football players. Stop that. I do defend USC saying we
are prioritizing getting into the Big ten, get the nil
up and get the playoffs. Well, guess what a fourth
cold weather game hurt your chances to get into the playoffs.
Do you defend USC saying, hey, Notre Dame's history, it's
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not the end of the world, or are you old school?
You gotta play the Irish annually?
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Well, the whole idea was to bring the country together, right,
to make the country smaller, and you know, in the
inception of this game and have this rivalry kind of
almost cross country, if you.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Will, right, And.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
I think it served that purpose. I think it's been
a beautiful tradition. The issue there is my understanding at least,
was we'd always play at Notre Dame in like September October,
latest was October, and we'd always play.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Them at home. That was in South Bend.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
We'd always play them at home in Los Angeles and
the Coliseum right around Thanksgiving ish because of the weather.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
And that was just kind of set up forever ago,
because that's the way it is.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
We want beautiful weather, we'd like to have a competitive game.
We probably don't want the three nothing snow game in
a Blizzard that doesn't, you know, attract viewers. That doesn't
make this game fun and exciting. So I understand all
of those points. I think it would there would be
something missing if you don't see UCLA and Notre Dame
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on the schedule. I think that's a little strange as
a USC former USC player, but it's not the end
of the world, because you might end up finding them
in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Anyway, that sounds like.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
It's just it's it's a tough one to just kind
of sever ties, you know what I mean. There's like
that one takes a while to to really rebound from.
I guess emotionally, you know, you just kind of you're
gonna miss that. There's something to it. It's a beautiful tradition.
I enjoyed being part of it, and it meant something
to both sides, and that's what made it fun. On
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a totally separate note, I think what you said about
Jen Cohen is spot on.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Position that US season this year, especially with Chad Bowden.
I don't know if you've had a chance to talk
to him, but the GM there now, Yeah is lights
out and it's really you're getting the same messaging from Jen,
Chad Bowden and coach Riley, and everybody's rolling that boat
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in the same direction. It feels good, it sounds right.
That twenty six class looks incredible. This is going in
a way that gets me, as a former player, really excited.
And I think Chad Bowden, after the success he's had
it Notre Dame, I think he's going to want to
play those guys, you know, I think he would miss
playing those guys.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
And he's the one who really started to turn that
thing around.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
There got the right players with the right attitude that
wanted to be a part of that Notre Dame tradition.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
He's getting those guys that want to be a part
of this SC tradition.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
So this is going to take a lot off of
Lincoln's plate and let him be that play caller. Let
him hyper focus and singularly focus on third downs, red zone,
get these guys in the right position, and let our
athletes take over. Chad's going to get you the athletes.
Chad Bealen's going to get all the players. He's got
the connects with everybody he's going to lock down California
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and none of the good players should be leaving this state.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
You play for the se interlock on your chest and
on your helmet. That's a big deal. And so he's
reminding the people of that.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
So there's been a revitalization, it feels like, and hopefully
Notre Dame is still a part of the schedule.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Mark Sanchez, great seeing you get rest. Congratulate on the
on the on the twins and your life and the
next chapter of a great life so far.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Good luck, buddy, Appreciate you man, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, it is interesting if you look at the playoffs
going to be extended? Is it fourteen teams?
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Now?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
If you look at Notre dame schedule because they're not
a full member of a conference, usc excuse me, Notre
Dame is going to get into that tournament a lot
if Marcus Freeman's the coach, he's you know, when Brian
Kelly left, were like, we think he'll be good. He's
a great recruiter. Is he a good coach? Yeah, he's
a good coach. So Notre Dame's getting into that thing.
I don't worry about Notre Dame getting into the playoff
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USC out of the big ten. I don't know, but
the idea they wouldn't meet, they could meet regularly. Notre
Dame is going to be getting into that playoff. The
more it gets expanded, the more it ensures that because
of all these big teams, the Bamas Georgia's, Notre Dame
controls their schedule to a higher degree. That's why they
signed a twelve year contract with Clemson. They need big games.
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They don't have enough of them on their schedule. USC, Georgia, LSU,
Ohio State. Those teams you want some breathers, you know,
you want to lay up occasionally. Notre Dame's got plenty
of those. They have to schedule up sometimes. The big
boys schedule down in the major conferences.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
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Speaker 2 (21:33):
This is the Herd line news.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
I love when you say that because I feel like
every week's good for us. And we just got some
breaking news column in the NFL. Breaking news out of Baltimore.
The Ravens have signed Packers cornerback Jayi Alexander to a
one year, six million dollar deal. Packers tried to trade
him this offseason, no takers, so they just dumped him.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Now.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Yesterday, ironically, Lamar Jackson was advocating for signing his former
teammate in Louisville.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
That's Diyar Alexander, and now they're reunited.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
So I was just digging into some of their defensive stats.
They got a good young cornerback out of Clemson, Wiggins,
who played pretty well last year.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
And they have Humphrey in the slot who's excellent.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
He's getting a little old, but they do have an
opening at the other corner a Woozi, a former cowboy
from m Bengal. He's okay. Getting Alexander is a good fit.
Their secondary now, if you look at safeties and corners,
might be.
Speaker 8 (22:26):
The best in the league.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
They got the young kids starts from Georgia and of
course Kyle Hamill Hamilton. They're loaded in the secondary, which
is doing it a little different. Right. We haven't seen
this formation. Hey, let's go safeties in corners. I think
they might have the best secondary in the league.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, JAHI here is a great player. He just hurt
a lot, and.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
He's a little kookies. He says some wacky stuff.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Well, I think cornerbacks are the receivers of defense, where
they you have to play with a heightened level of
confidence because you you know, for a cornerback, if you
get burned, you can't let that play beat you again.
You have to play with an kind of exaggerated sense
of importance and confidence. So I always give cornerbacks and receivers,
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especially corners, you're the only guy. You're on an island.
There's no other position in football. Like, if you throw
a deep ball and the receiver doesn't get it, you
don't blame him. But if a corner, if a corner
can get beat on a play. Jalen Ramsey was one
of the best corners in football for six years and
then in a couple of high profile games he got
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beat deep and the Rams moved off it like you
just this. The floor on a corner is basically if
you get beat once in a big game, teams will
move off you. I mean the Chiefs moved off Snead,
who was a tremendous player.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
He also wanted a lot of money, got it from
the Titans. My only thing, I'm looking at the biggest
contenders in the AFC. I guess if you toss the
Bengals in there, this would be a big help because
they have Higgins and Chase. But like the Buffalo Bills,
go look at their game against the Ravens last year
COL in the playoff when they beat when Mark Andrews
dropped that pass, the Bills were going to Shakir in
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the slot, and then they're tight ends. They're not a
big wide receiver team. The Chiefs don't have a great
ride receiver. So I mean, I get this as a move.
I don't think it like puts them over the top
or anything. But ultimately I'm surprised other teams didn't get
in vault in ALEXA six Mills kind of feels cheap.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No, yeah, it does. A good player, all right.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Let's move on to the Green Bay Packers colin the
toughest division in football. Probably Lafleur and Gudakuns have two
years left on their contracts and the team will not
extend them ahead of the season. New team president for
a name ed Policy says that he is generally opposed
to having them have lame duck status, but later added,
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those are certain situations that probably call for it. So
I would never say never. Is this a big deal,
no dealing, nothing to see here.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Oh, generally the contracts of packer coaches and gms doesn't
It's not like public fodder. I don't think, you know.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
I mean, they have something to proved this year, like
what if they missed the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
It's not out of the realm.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think the I think it's the second best division
in football after the AFC West.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
So that an excuse, like, hey, we're worth those guys.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
There are excuses and reasons. An excuse is the dog
ate my homer. A reason is my mom got into
a wreck driving us to school. That's a reason. It's
not an excuse. I mean, if you have the Lions
may have the best roster next to Philli in the league.
You know Chicago. Now, Chicago's roster's outstanding. If Ben Johnson
can coach and Caleb can play. Minnesota, I mean, don't
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we think Minnesota's personnel's top seven eight in the league.
I do so, and so my take is, yeah, it's okay,
you just lost probably your arguably your best corner, Jay
r Alexander when he's healthy. So and by the way,
you draft a receiver because you don't necessarily trust the
younger you have with health or performance. So I think
I'm not as high on Green Bay as everybody else is.
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I think I think Detroit wins the division in Chicago's
the wild guard team. I don't think right now personnel wise.
I've always said I think Green Bay drafts and develops
at an incredibly higher level. But they don't have right
now a lot of great players. Minnesota's got some great players.
They're left tackle and Jefferson are great players. Chicago sweat
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Jalen Johnson just on defense. Those are great players. Green Bay.
Who's green Bay's best player? They have a lot of
good play this players. They don't have a lot of
holes reliabilities.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
Well, it's funny you say that.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Uh So Lafleur got there, got Aaron Rodgers and they
had some deep playoff runs.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
I was dubious of la Floor, but.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
It was like, oh, he's making deep playoff runs.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Aaron Rodgers leads how many deep playoff.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Runs post Aaron Rodgers with the floor Helen, They get
out there.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Putting out Dallas in Dallas. I think, I think, I
think what has happened to green Bay? They're a little
bit like the Indianapolis Colts. We like their GM, we
like their roster. We're just not sure how great they
are at quarterback and they don't have a lot of like,
oh my god players. They don't have a lot of
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like top I mean, there are certain teams in this
if you look at the Rams, Stafford, Jared Verse, Puka Nakua,
those are elite player. Baltimore's got a handful of those,
a Ronnie Stanley, Kyle Handam, Hamilton, the center from Iowa,
Lamar Jackson. Green Bay doesn't have a lot of Wow God,
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they think that the Texas receiver in the first round
is one of those guys. And green Bay's like Indy's
got a lot of nice players, and I like their
drafting and developing, but there's not a lot of wow
guys on this roster.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
I like the we don't know about uarterback Jordan loves
making like fifty million dollars a year, let's go to
the NBA Colin where we discussed Jalen Williams Big Game
five with the forty piece. Now, of course, this is
what the media does. You can't just say he had
a really good game, nice job. You have to go
over the top. And some dopes are comparing him to
Scottie Pippen, if SGA's Michael Jordan and now you got
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your one two punch.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Well, Lou Williams, do.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
You have every sweet Lou Williams great hand, old bucket getter,
six man.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
He has come in and said.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Pump the brakes were comparing these current players to legends.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
Thank you, Lou Williams.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
I'm at war with so all of my nostalgias, still
being so prossed, still being such a thing to us. Right,
we got to move on. Jalen Williams is paving his
own path, so I understand the comparison. I understand where
he's trying to get off. But allow some of these
we got to start allowing these young guys in media,
with our opinions, to create the best form of themselves.
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It's twenty four years old. Allow him to create his legacy,
allow him to create his name.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I am on a team. Jalen Williams. He's a better
shooter than Pippin.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
Oh god, he's twenty four years old. Coach, settle down.
He's a better shooter than Scotty Pippen.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Already, I covered Pippin in Portland. I never trusted Pippin.
I never trusted him to hit a big jumper. I
there's no question Jalen Williams, in my opinion, Jalen Williams
is a more skilled offensive player than Scotti Pippen. Pippin's
a better defender, Oh my god. But in terms of
offensive skill, first of all, three point shooting Williams.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
I mean it's a three point era. He's zacking waymore.
Damn it count. Why do you do this for me? Gosh,
I get so up.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Said. Let me remind you when Michael Jordan quit walked
away from basketball, Scottie Pippen was the alpha, and then
the Bulls are like a fifty six win season. He
was a superstar by himself as the leader. There's no
way if STA's out all next year, Jalen Williams is
leading his team to fifty six weeks.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
This's just not happened.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I absolutely he would absolutely, he would, oh absolutely with
this team. This roster is filthyed deep. Absolutely, fifty five wins,
no question, absolutely.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
Coward, you're my guy. But come on, are you drinking
the drinking the Jalen Williams.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Do you or do you know how much better the
league is in terms of skill?
Speaker 8 (30:12):
Now, yes, I agree, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I mean everybody on that team, Caruso to Dork can
hit a three. Everybody can hit a three. They wouldn't
be as good, they wouldn't have their closer. But Jalen
next year is going to average twenty four home Gun's
gonna average nineteen to twenty. They're the best defensive team
of the great coach and the best depth. They would
win fifty games without SGA without in the They're not
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in the title, but they would get to the playoffs
probably defensively win a SERI. SGA is not one of
their better defenders. They're winning games on defense. It kickstarts
their offense.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Can we at least get Jalen Williams on like the
US Olympic team, which, by the way, Scotty Pippot was on.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
Can we like see that?
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I mean the hype three This guy, this is a
guy who in game three had like six turnovers and
his handle was a mess. He looked like Jalen Brown
dribbling in the finals. I'm just saying, at twenty four
years old, very good.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
He is more skilled offensively than Pippens. He is not
Pippen the complete player yet, although as length tells you,
he's a pretty good defender. He is a good defender.
But Pippin's resume is better, his in total game and
his confidence. This is still an ascending player. Pippen was,
you know, becoming more at twenty five, a complete player,
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but in at both small school guys. But I'm just
saying from an offensive skill perspective, Jalen Williams a better player.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
And to be fair, Pippen had of course the migrain
headache which everybody remembers against the Pistons.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
I don't want to go in the game, you know,
really that early in his career.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
So if you want to compare this Jalen Williams to
that Pippin, fine, But I mean Scottie Pippen like he's
almost underrated at this point, isn't.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
He No, he's not underrated. He's called the best, the best.
Robin ever, I don't think that's underrated.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
I would go Kobe is the best Robin ever to
Shack with those Lakers team, Well.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
They were kind of they were kind of. One was
the emerging as the best perimeter guy. One was the
best dominant inside guy. I never looked at it a
one and two. I thought Shack was more dominant, but
Kobe had his nights as well.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Think Kobe took a back seat to Shack. It's just
Shack was more.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Pretty sure, Shaq won three finals mvpzer Dadi and I know.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well step doesn't take a back seat to KD. KD
was winning final tend at good point.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
J mckwhin, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping
by The Herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Lamar Jackson wants to be he wants to be paid already.
Is wants more. Caitlin Clark the story that just keeps
giving us content. Uh, it's the hurt.
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Speaker 6 (32:57):
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Speaker 8 (33:07):
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Speaker 6 (33:08):
Check local listings for the game in your area, Saturday,
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Speaker 1 (33:14):
Do you know how much j Mack? Do you know
what the cap hit for Josh Allen currently in the NFL?
How much of a cap hit is he in the
NFL for the Bills?
Speaker 6 (33:25):
So this is either super low or super high. I
will guess blindly it's low.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
He's tenth, which is he could be number one. He's
the most talented player. He's tenth in cafe. How about
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Okay, he's always reworking his diago.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Eighth He's fourteenth. Wow, So it tells you they both
have good rosters. So right now, Lamar Jackson is the
tenth highest paid quarterback, so you could say to yourself,
you're kind of getting job now. His contract runs through
twenty twenty seven, so he deserves there's tweaking and he
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should be paid one of the top five. You're not
always gonna be perfect right now. The highest paid quarterbacks
are Dak, Josh Allen, Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Jordan Love, Tua Brock, Perty,
Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson. It should be noted
Dak's on a bad roster, Burrow's roster is okay, Trevor
Lawrence roster okay, Jordan Love roster, lack stars to a roster,
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and Purdy's rosters overstated. Justin Herbert will see so about
half the time when you pay the quarterback big money,
it hurts your overall roster. I think I think Lamar
Jackson's smart enough to figure that out. You know, Drew
Brees had a couple of lean years in New Orleans.
It was when he was getting paid the most, and
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then Sean Payton and the guys went to him and said,
if you want better players, you got to take less money.
So it should be noted that Josh Allen on his
six year deal, he took a ninety million dollar discount
so on his three hundred and thirty million dollar extension,
and I know you know that, You're just like, wow,
how could you do that?
Speaker 8 (35:00):
It be hard.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm not denying that, But Josh Allen wants to be
an all time great, not the all time richest guy.
Kirk Cousins got a lot of money. And when we
think of Kirk Cousins, we think he has a lot
of money. I think when you're as good as Josh
Allen or Lamar Jackson, or or Brady or Breeze, I
think you're I think basically things supersed money. I mean
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Tom Brady signed a massive contract with Fox. He doesn't
do that with one or two Super Bowl rings. He
does it with seven. So I mean it's just Michael
Jordan has never been a broadcaster before. He just signed
a massive contract, was at NBC. It's because he's got
six rings. So for Lamar he got to get that
ring because I think he is an all time talent.
(35:47):
He's the most athletic quarterback, including Michael Vick I've ever seen,
including Steve Young, Brett Farr. I think he's it. So
he was asked about his current contract situation and where
he's at with it.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
How would you describe whatever conversation should you've out of
Derek to this point?
Speaker 8 (36:01):
And are you feeling any urgency to get something done
on the You know.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I never discussed contract.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
It's just oasis here, but yeah, I want to talk
about it.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Is that okay with you.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
What I said, though, that want to get done, you're
gonna get a highest player in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I mean that must sound pretty.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Right, so good.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, he didn't want to talk about it. Uh, And
I think it's very it's very simple to figure out, Like,
you want a better roster, you want better supporting cast,
you gotta take a little less money.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
The good news is, and I've always said this with
the NBA, if you're a great player, you're making eight
figures in shoes. Some of these guys are making six
to seven figures in social media stuff production companies. So again,
I understand players always taking the most they can take,
but I think there is an exception. If you believe
(36:56):
you're an all time great talent, and I think Lamar
is in that class. I've never seen an athlete like
this at quarterback, then money becomes secondary. You're gonna make
your money. You're an all time great. Dan Marino didn't
even have a Super Bowl. He made a lot of
money broadcasting, merchandising, Isotona gloves, whatever. So my take is,
(37:18):
if your Kirk cousins take the money, if you're Josh Allen,
take a little less and get rings. And I think
I think Lamar's in that class. And then that's my
take on Lebron James. I mean, now, now Lebron may
be saying, hey, I'm not taking anything lest but you
got a production company, you got a massive podcast, real estate,
you're a billion net worth, shoe deals at some point.
I always think this, when you get into these sports,
(37:42):
it's a collective right. When players retire, what is the
thing they say? They always miss the locker room, the
flight the guys. Nobody ever says the check because they're
all rich, especially nowadays, they miss the common You know,
(38:02):
when we asked those players, what do you miss, it's
usually the great players because the locker room and those
flights home are always awesome when you win, They're not awesome.
They're not awesome when you lose. How can I, as
a star player ensure we win more than we lose?
And now, part of it is luck? Who drafted you?
(38:23):
Raven's are a great organization. He got lucky, Jordan Love
got lucky. You know, the Hunt family, Mahomes got lucky,
Brady got Belichick and Robert Kraft. Some of it's luck.
And you can, like Joe Burrow did not get as lucky.
You know, Derek Carr, say what you want. With the Raiders,
they were swimming in chaos. Did not get as lucky,
and so I think you Lebar has to be grateful
(38:45):
that he landed in one of the great organizations in
North American sports. But I also think Baltimore's damn lucky
to have him, you know, to go from Joe Flacco
to Lebar Jackson and not miss a beat. That doesn't
happen much to Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck. So I
think it'll get worked out. Lamar didn't want to talk
about it. I would pay him. Here's another thing, quick story,
(39:10):
j Mack, you're kind of a Rams hater. Left tackle
Alaric Jackson not at mini camp for the Rams. Blood clock.
Oh this this is not the first time. So it
was very interesting. In the draft they did not surprisingly
take a corner or an offensive tackle, yet they took
another running back and another edge rusher. And some people said, well,
(39:33):
what's the point. And I'm not going to question the
Rams drafting, but I did think it was strange they
did not draft a left tackle. I had them going second, third,
fourth pick. They didn't. And now the reason Alaric's not
Trent Williams. He's undrafted. Andrew Whitworth retired, He's an undrafted player.
(39:55):
Matt Stafford's thirty seven left tackle means more to this
team than almost any other team in the LA Matt
is one of the last pocket quarterbacks. Left tackle for
the Lions. Left tackle for the Rams is even more
important than it is for the Ravens or the Chiefs,
or the Bills or Arizona. So this is a real thing.
Blood clots miscamp not the first time, so Andrew Whitworth
(40:18):
has championed this player very rarely in the history of
the NFL. Do you have an undrafted left tackle almost
every great left tackle in the history of the league.
I mean it's like twenty five out of thirty our
first round guys. The planet just does not give you
six foot six, three hundred and thirty pound guys with
good feet. The man upstairs doesn't create many of those,
(40:39):
about one a year on the planet. So this is
something to watch. Keep your eye on this. So Stafford's
blind side is a real thing. Remember they win a
Super Bowl. Whitworth's retires the next year. Their O line
is rated twenty fifth Sean McVay has his worst season.
The only thing that's ever disrupted winning for Sean McVay
offensive line of shoes. Keep your eye on this. That's
(41:02):
a big one. I know, you know, j Max. Always
looking for reasons the Rams are gonna fake, Always looking
on the negative side with the rag
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