June 20, 2025 • 39 mins
Colin calls out the Thunder for putting up a total dud in a potential close out in game 6 of the NBA Finals and why the youth of this team is proving to be a significant weakness. After another skirmish between the Dodgers & Padres, Colin explains why embracing big personalities and rivalries is great for Major League Baseball as a whole. He also talks to Chris Broussard from First Things First about the Pacers potentially becoming the most unusual NBA champions of all time.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
It is a fry day and we have lots to
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Wherever you may be and however you may be watching
today or listening a lot of choices out there, Thanks
for making us part of your day. Jmac, I've gotta
be honest, the difference between okay See at home and
on the road last night was staggering. You got and
you got to give Indiana credit back against the wall.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
That team is.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You know, I still like in Game seven, I'm gonna
take okay See it's at home, but that second quarter,
there's something about the second quarter at home for Indiana
that was a thirty six to nine run at one point.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Wow, this is unbelievably bad basketball by OKC Colin. I mean,
I hope you crush them here. I'm waiting. I'm waiting,
all right.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
The question, the debate on OKC has been this year
are they a great team? I mean, they were twenty
nine to one against the East in the regular season,
twenty nine to one. They won on average by twelve
point nine points a game, NBA record point differential, suffocating defense,
unbelievable at home, fourth most regular season wins. Ever, well,
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it's been confirmed they're not a great team. They're a
very good team. In a finals clinching game, they had
their lowest output of the season offensively, in the most
turnovers and again a thirty six to nine run by
Indy the hell okase, he's very good. They've got those
young legs and young energy and sometimes you know, man,
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they got a number one score. They got size, and
they got depth. But age, youth gives you a huge variance.
Jalen Williams forty points in game five minus forty in
game six. That's the variance you get, not only as
a team collectively, but individual players. So like chet Holmgren,
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three times in the finals alone, he's had fewer than
ten points. Like where's his offense? Willy Price should have
stayed in college a year more. He's he's a young player,
still good defensively, but this is what you get at home. Okay,
So you'll get these leads, and they play more aggressively
with a lead.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
They're a little like the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Right, Baltimore's got Lamar, they got SGA at home. Does
anybody get more blowout wins last couple of years than
Baltimore and OKAC?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
No, but they.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Planned from behind, the Ravens and the thunder. Sometimes that
offense dries up, and it did last night. So it's
not an excuse. I'm not making excuses for Oklahoma City.
I was shocked at the blowout loss, but.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It is a reason.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
They're the youngest finals team in forty eight years. And
I said, I'll take them in Game seven. But just
like having young kids, you put them in the car
for a roadie, things get squirrely. Are we there yet? No,
it's game six? Be patient, And it wasn't good. If
you look at the home splits, Okasee, not only is
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tenant two at home and five hundred on the road,
they're plus two forty seven at home and minus sixty
seven on the road.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So we've been talking about this.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oklahoma City's bench great at home, rotational players, great at home. Indiana,
they've had these, you know, the TJ. McConnell's. Those kind
of players are unbelievable at home. But history of the
NBA is young teams can struggle in the postseason when
they get uncomfortable. So again I'm gonna take I thought
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they'd win last night. The fact that Halliburton played and
played well is shocking. I'm gonna get to that after
the break. That's and they deserve a ton of credit.
I will get more to that. But all the pressure,
even though it's at home, all the pressure is gonna
be on OKC, and young players with pressure can shrink.
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Here's SGA after the humbling loss in Game six.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
The way I see it is we suck tonight. We
have to learn the lessons, and we have one game
for everything, for everything we've worked for, and so do they,
and the better team Sunday will win.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
All right.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So I will get to the Pacers, give them their
flowers after the break. But I got to talk about
once again last night. I don't want to hear Yankees
and Red Sox the best easily the best baseball rivalry
Potteris Dodgers, and it got feisty again.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Last night in the ninth inning.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Now a lot of the crowd had filed out, but
in the ninth inning, the Dodgers had a rookie pitcher
clearly didn't throw at Tatis, who dramatically crumples to the
ground when he got hit on the wrist. I get
that it hurts, but it's a rookie pitcher making his
debut at home.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I don't think he threw at him.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And the managers come out, Dave Roberts, actually, I think
at one point bumped Mike Shield their dog, cussing each other.
So I'll be honest, it's baseball at its best. I
feel like you saw a lot more of this in
the eighties. Sometimes in a tedious long regular season, intensity
and heat equal interest. And we saw the two biggest
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stories this week had been Caitlin Clark and the scrum
and this why sports fans want you to care as
much as they do, and the Podreys and the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
This is real.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So then in the bottom of that inning, the ninth,
the Padres clearly throw in retaliation after this Tatise getting hit.
That's top of the ninth. Then they go to the
bottom of the ninth and show, hey, o'tana gets plunked
on a three to zero pitch one hundred miles an
hour in the back. Yeah it hurts O TWI nothing new.
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He's the best at this too. Acted with class, went
down and shakes the first baseman's hand, class the organization.
He acts with class, voice of reason. But here's the thing.
When I was a kid, baseball had a ton of personality.
Reggie Jackson, Pete Rose, Mickey Rivers, Mark Fidrich, Al Raboski,
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and the players leaned into it. They leaned into it.
Everybody had big personalities. And then something weird happened. The
sport got very pious and very precious. There's a way
to play the game, and the unwritten rules of get
out of here, give me a break sports, and all
of a sudden, for about a twenty year period, it
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felt like there were locker room governors and and locker
room statesman. They're attacking their own Bryce Harper, and it
did not help the sport. Finally, Rob Manfred and the
sport started saying, hey, guys, lean into this stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
It's sports.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It's not Congress. There isn't a way to play the game.
Play it with intensity. Sometimes intensity boils over and the
throwing it. Guys, but this is good for sports. I know,
I know you don't want to hear it. But the
Dodger's padres it's authentic, it's intense, it's old school, it's feisty,
it's a little petty.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I'm here for it. And here's Dave Roberts after.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
As he comes out and he's yelling at me and
staring me down. That bothers me because, to be quite frank,
that's the last thing I wanted. I'm taking starters out
of the game and you know, trying to you know,
get this game over and get this kid a couple
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of innings. And so that's why I felt, you know,
I took that personal.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So we've had a very very interesting week in sports.
The Caitlin Clark scrum fascinating. Everybody was gonna be okay,
don't overreact. And again this when these two teams meet,
they throw at each other, dugout, spill out, managers bump,
everybody's gonna be okay.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
This is what sports fans want.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
They want you to care, they want passion, they want heat,
They want intensity. Dave Roberts is such a nice guy.
He's out there finger pointing, and I just think it's great.
I think it's great for sports. Its too bad half
the fans had already poured out the ninth vitting So
J Mack, let's go back to the finals. I was
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absolutely surprised. I thought it would be a close game. Okay,
se would pull away. Were you surprised that played?
Speaker 8 (09:01):
I was stunned.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I mean he didn't play poorly, he was fine. No,
But Colin, something you just said resonated with me. It's
like fans care deeply about baseball, the and the fighting
because the players care, right, care deeply about Kateler Clark.
Because the players care. Are you seeing that care and
that one? I didn't see that from Okac. You could
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have choked them out last night, ended the series, and
I saw no fire, no brimstone, SGA just walking around
like it was a February the NBA game.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
I didn't see that killer instinct. Alex Caruso, I mean
he was a minus thirty three.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Collins.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
Yeah, where's the energy, where's the care?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Well, here's the care.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
If you're a great team, if you're Shaq and Kobe
or the MJ Bulls. We have to remember, you know,
because because this was ready in the heart of when
I was a young sportscaster, Michael Jordan and the Bulls
had close out games a couple of times against Gary
Payton and the Sonics and delivered duds.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
We were up three nothing. I mean, I think that's
a little different. This was like, hey, three two, let's
close up.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
But I mean, I mean, you have to remember. We
tend to romanticize this. Steph Curry and the Warriors have
had duds in big games. I mean, listen, the Warriors
could not close out at home Lebron James and the
team that won like.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
That was the Draymond suspension game, but they got.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Blown out three times in that series. Teams have bad games,
and those teams are closer to great teams what we
have now in the NBA. The Celtics team that won,
the Denver team that won. These two teams, these are
very very good teams, just like my Sonics and my
Blazers in the seventies. Very good teams. They're not great teams. No,
they're not great, and we've maybe only had four or
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five great teams. I thought I thought a team that
was great that didn't win a championship was the Barkley
Suns that were scoring one hundred and twenty five before
the avalanche of threes. I mean they were literally changed
the game that I mean, it was an incredible team
to watch, and they didn't win because they faced you know,
it's it's like Tiger at his prime. They faced Michael Jordan.
So these are very good teams, and I think Oklahoma
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City because remember in these got a lot of older dudes.
Siakam has been around a while. Pascal Siakam has been
around a while, Carlisle, the coach, been around a while.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Even the coaching staff with.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
OKAC is young and so a in these talents better
than anybody wants to admit. They got a more experienced coach.
And the truth is there's two things working against OKAC
last night. They're a very good team, they're not a
great team, and they're the youngest team in forty eight
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years in the finals and you are seeing this wild
very I mean, I was shocked. But OKC in this
series has had four or five atrocious quarters. I mean,
Michael Jordan's team could lose. I mean that's I've seen
a couple of second quarters. I mean, just think about
that thirty six to nine run. So that is crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Let me ask you, so in Game five, OKAC had
twenty seven steals and blocks.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
They were everywhere hellacious defensively.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
They didn't get their first steal last night until midway
through the third quarter.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
That to me says, yes, we don't really care, We're.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Not locked in.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
We're like, that's just lack of effort, Colin. And if
you're not going to put forth the effort, why am
I watching. I didn't watch a fut quarter.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I'm like, no one thing. That one thing that is clear.
OKC is not a great offensive team. They're a great
defensive team with remarkable depth. So they need the defense
to be humming to win. Okay, They're not a team
that can play bad defense and win like they're not.
This is not the Showtime Lakers where you could win one,
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thirty one, twenty four regularly. Okay, this team wins with defense,
block steels that generates offense. Indianapolis is a better defensive
team than people give them credit for. The Pacers are,
but they don't have to play great defense to win.
They have amazing offensive nights okac is led by defense
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that has to be great, and when it's not, I
mean they had them. I don't know what the stretch was,
but o case he had a stretch last night. It
may have been six minutes that one field goal or
I mean they just dried up.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
Let me ask you real quick.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
To coach Dagnault, we kind of criticized him for in
Game one totally changing his starting lineup.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
So did you notice last night, Small Potatoes, they're down
twenty at a half. Hey, I'm gonna start Alex Caruso
in the second half had not done that, and I
felt like that was a bit of a reach.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Oh, we need a spark, we need energy, Colin. I
just wonder Carlisle's a better coach, we would agree.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
Is Dagnault in his head a little bit searching for answers.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Because you know every movie makes Carliles countering and it
just takes a little while to figure it out. I
wonder if he's going to change something for Game seven.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I said, we don't get many Game sevens. You can
say what you want about ratings in the series, it's
gonna be an all timer. We don't get a lot
of Game sevens can't wait.
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Speaker 1 (14:05):
Welcome in, It is our two and it is a
Friday jamc how luckier I got to take everybody behind
the curtain a little bit here. And I don't want
to spend too much time on this, but a couple
of years ago, I felt baseball felt before they brought
in the pitch clock and the defensive shift, I felt
baseball was really stagnant, had about a fifteen year stagnant run,
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and I didn't talk about it a lot, and Caitlin
Clark hadn't arrived yet the WNBA, and I felt the
show was almost too much FOOTBALLS like seventy percent football,
and I've never wanted to work at the NFL network.
They do a great job. But I like talking about
college football. I like having a lot of different topics.
And the fact that the WNBA Caitlin Clark is a
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regular segment and we monitor the segments.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You don't turn away.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And the fact that Baseball Dodgers Podrey's rivalry. Four times
this week we talked about. It is a gift. I
feel very very lucky.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You know, I love football, and if I was a
sports talk show host in the UK, I would talk
Premier League seventy five percent of the time. I understand
how popular the NFL is, but in the off season
for six months, I love the variants. I love having
all these topics. So this has been a really really
fun week for me, and I think j Mackfield's the
same way I got United States Men's national team. I
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got Caitlin Clark, I got an insane Dodger padre series,
guys getting plunked. This has been one of my favorite
weeks in a long time because we just had so
many different things to talk about. And I know you think,
Colin you talk about NFL. Well, you watch a lot
of NFL. That's why I talk a lot of NFL.
But there's been a fun week.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah, And next week we get the NBA Draft and
obviously the Cooper Flag stuff is a big time.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
Player sliding in the draft.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
We're expecting Kevin Durant trade like it doesn't stop here
just because of this.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Week's so okay, So there are we go to a
game seven, what do we know we're gonna get not much.
I mean, I gotta be honest. I did not think
OKAC was going to get house last night with Halliburton
at sixty percent. Here are the five things that I
predict will get in order of assuredness. Number one, Okayse's
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defense will be really good. It's holding opponents to thirty
two percent from three point range. At home, they have
the best defensive rating. They got a lot of fresh
legs and bodies. They are a different team energy wise.
At home, okase will play very good defense. Doesn't mean
no when, but their defense won't look anything like last night.
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The second thing Rick Carlile's coaching. He's good. I mean
the ball movement with him, which he preaches. They have
seven hundred and five more passes than Okasee in the finals.
Their ball movement, the use of their bench, all the levers.
Oldest coach in NBA Finals history, Rick Carlyle will bring
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his plus plus game. Number three SGA getting eight plus
free throw attempts. He gets more at home, and they're
good when he gets them. So he is leading the
Finals at nine point seven free throws a game, and
on the road he's a little more meek at home,
he gets them eight of the twelve home games this
season in the playoffs, he's got eight plus free throw
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So that's number three. I think I think he'll get that.
Number four. A guy I really like in half for years,
Pascal Siakam will play really, really well. He's a dog man.
He's a really good player. Fifteen plus points in fifteen
straight playoff games. He's the only pacer that's given you
ten plus points in every game, and he's a big
game player. He's a really good player. So I think
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Pascal Siakam is gonna play well. And I do think
number five Oklahoma Cities bench will show up. It doesn't
mean it'll be better than Indiana's, but it'll show up.
So you know they're they're nine and two this postseason
when their bench shoots like forty five percent from the field.
Any young players who are not star players, young bench
players Indiana or Oka see always play.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Much better at home. So most of these feel like.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I'm very pro Oklahoma City, but I think Indiana's got
the better coach, and I know Pascal Siakam is gonna deliver.
I also think you got a couple of days here
for Halliburton to rest. The leg doesn't hurt. Little break
there doesn't hurt. How many minutes he play last night,
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twenty three to twenty four minutes. Rick Carlisle on Game
seven Sunday.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
One game, I mean, this is this is what it's
all about. I mean, this is you know, this is
what you dream about growing up, This kind of opportunity.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
It's a very difficult place to play.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
We know that, but.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
You know, this is.
Speaker 9 (18:57):
The opportunity to play in a game like this a
great honor and a great privilege.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
One twenty one one seventeen, OKC. I think I get
him at home. I gotta believe both teams are going
to be a little tired. It's been a lot. It's
a lot of travel. Uh, it's a lot of intensity, man.
I mean, you know, one of the things about basketball,
it's really it's great. So in hockey you got the glass.
In baseball outside of Fenway Park, you're separated from fans.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Football, you got helmets.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
On basketball, the proximity of fans to athletes makes it
such a good television product. I mean, the Indiana fans
and I really do believe this, especially with younger players,
I was thinking about this last night.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
When say Okham gets.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That dunk early and you're on the ground and you
got Indiana fans above you, high five in you. It
absolutely has to change the body chemistry.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I mean it just has to.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Like fans matter so so much in basketball, even more
in college basketball because the players are younger. But you
when you watch Indiana's fan base and they are literally
like fist bump close to players, same with OKC.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I think it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I love when an NBA player makes a big basket
and fives a fan. I as long as the fan
understands you don't open that gate. That is always a
player's decision. If he comes to you, it's good you
don't go to him ever. But it's cool. And watching
those Indiana fans last night when Saya comes hitting those
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shots and he's on the floor, he can hear you.
You're four feet away, Dan righty can hear you. And
it matters, and it's great sports. It just plows through
the television. Okay, now I know what you're gonna say, Come,
how come you have to bring.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Up Jason Tatum?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Here we go, Cooper flags Mavericks workout the word being
thrown around is unreal, better than expected. He's a complete beast.
I am very comfortable saying he's going to be a
better player than Jason Tatum eventually, and it won't take long.
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Why go bring up Jason Tate. They both went to Duke.
That's his comp that's why. So he's much better defender
at this point than Tatum was at this age, not close.
And he's a much more aggressive player. And he had
better stats everywhere than Tatum, and he's younger than Tatum. Points, rebounds, assists,
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free throw attempt steals, blocked. It just better across the board.
And those are just stats. Aura and Alpha Brah.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Not close.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Think about this, this guy, if he didn't reclassify, he
would be walking in the height school stage to get.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
His diploma right now.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Like this is the best domestic basketball product since Anthony Davis.
I don't want to hear about John Moran and Zion.
There were all sorts of things about Zion that concerned people,
like his torque and his injuries. This kid can really play,
and there's some you know, video stuff they're not We're
not seeing a ton of it. But he is an
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all time prospect, you know, and I was talking. I
think I was talking off the air to Christine Brennan.
I think it was off. There may have been on,
but I think it was off. Is that sometimes, like
Caitlin Clark, nobody thought she would be this good. Even
Gina Oriama Yukon coach is like, come on, slow down,
she's better than we thought. Everybody knew Tiger was special.
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We didn't think it was going to look like that
where he was running away from the field of the
US Open Lebron James. Nobody predicted he was going to
surpass mj in every statistical category. Bryce Hart is more
what you expect. Bryce Harper was called the best baseball
prospect ever. He was an eight time All Star.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I think he's been.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
A MVP of a National League playoff series. Is he's
eight nationally MVP a couple times a time All Star.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That's what you expect.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So if I said to you, Cooper Flag makes makes
seven to eight All Star teams, that would be a
really good career for a top prospect. I think we're
looking guy that's better than that. That's my take because
I watched him. He very I can't say the last
time I saw a college player that didn't have really
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a hole in his game. I don't see what the
hole is. And he can shoot, he can defend, he
can run. Again, you cross your fingers on injuries. But
I mean again, if he had a Bryce Harper career,
and I guess I'm right, two time NL MVP, eight
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time All Star, I think I think Harper's got three
hundred and forty four home runs, I'm crossing my fingers.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I'm right?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
How about that? The staff took all these years finally
respect me. So so Bryce Harper is like what you
would think an all time prospect, you'd be like, I
was satisfied with that. Bryce Harper has lived up to it.
Sometimes people go above and beyond. I think this kid
has a chance to do that. I think he's really
really good. We'll see for the record, is this more
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of the video? The video we got? He never missed
a shot. So now I will tell you j MA
is gonna have this. There is one player in this draft.
This this draft is going.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
To have a bust. Every draft does.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Of course, I think I know who the one guy
is gonna be a bust. I'm not gonna say it.
I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you have the story.
But there's one player where things are not good.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
By the way, this Cooper Flag stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
You remember, I forget who came on our show, but
someone was like, oh NBA comp Andre Kirolinko.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
Do you remember I might have been Paul Pierce. Bro
Andre Kirolinko.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I think made like an All Star game, never all NBA.
That's a borderline disrespectful, Andre Carolinko.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
If I'm just thinking I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think Cooper Flag much better, much early, and much
more aggressive and much more.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Polished, dominant in college basketball, dominant, he's gonna be I'm
all in on Cooper Flag.
Speaker 8 (25:25):
I think he's gonna be spectacular.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I will tell you, I'll tell you this. People are
saying it's a Carlos Boozer. Carlos Boozer compared Flag to Carolinko.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I don't gross.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I will say this though, the number two kid in
the draft from Rutgers, the guard, the six to sixth guard,
he's going to be a star to that.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No, no, no, no, he's not just good. He's a kid.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
He is he is a really special process.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Do you remember Ben Simmons went to LSU. He was
supposed to change college basketball.
Speaker 8 (25:57):
You do could not get to the NCAA tournament and
we killed him.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Harper is on a team with eighth Bailey, who's gonna
go top ten?
Speaker 8 (26:05):
They could not as a duo get Rutgers to the
NCAA Tournament. I know I'm not going to crush them
for that. Dylan Harper is a good player.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Let's pump the brakes on him being some kind of
massive superstar.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Okay, let's just settled. Well say superstar? I said all Star?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
What I mean? Come on?
Speaker 8 (26:22):
All Star? Is that the barometer for a number two pick?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You go number two?
Speaker 8 (26:26):
I need more than All Star?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Collin, Well, what do you need?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
I need all NBA.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
You're one of the best at your position in the league.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Also, you understand there's in five guys on that All
NBA first team, and basketball is not football. Guys play
for fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
No, no, a third team that matters your top fifteen
in the league. All Star is like a popularity contest.
It's like voting for president and your junior high school.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Yeah, who's the cutest girl? I just vote for her.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
She's gonna give us a soda machine in a cafeteria,
Like that's what the All Star Game is?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Come on, all right?
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Speaker 1 (27:06):
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the mid nineties. Collos, First things first, I was saying
Game sevens are crazy. The one or two things I
know I'm gonna get O case. He's defense will show up,
Rick Carlisle's coaching, he'll be great. I'm not sure I
trust anything else. Pascal Siakam usually gives you a pretty
(27:26):
consistent game. I mean, let's start with this. Were you
surprised that Halliburton played and he was that good last night?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Because he was pretty good.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah. I wasn't surprised that he played.
Speaker 10 (27:39):
I fully expected that, but he did not look injured,
and I know he was. There's no way to lie
about an injury like that. But I think it was
smart of the Pacers to like make it a game
time decision. I'm sure they knew. I don't know if
they ever thought he wouldn't play, you know, but to
leave it out there as a game time decision and
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put that question out there in the minds of OKC
Colin as good as Indiana was, and they were great,
and they deserve all the credit.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
For last night.
Speaker 10 (28:11):
I also thought OKC contributed to.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
That performance clearly.
Speaker 10 (28:15):
I mean, they're not that much worse than the Pacers
or even on a bad night. And they looked like
a team that felt like the championship was in their pocket,
like they had it that Indiana was gonna fold, and
that Halliburton either wouldn't play or if he did play,
he would be severely compromised and no good. And he
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was the exact opposite. He looked fine, he moved well.
I actually think Colin the injury made him focus more
because he was more aggressive than he's been for most
of the playoffs. Yea, you know, like I think it
made him zero in and say, okay, I really have
no room for error tonight, and he ended up having
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one of his best games of the series.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You know, I said this because they won by an
average of twelve point nine points a game, because they
had the fourth most wins. Ever, there were these discussions,
are we looking at a great team?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And I fell for it. With Denver. I totally fell
for it. I'm like, they're gonna be the Spurs.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I think last night confirmed they're not a great team.
Great teams aren't different on the road to that level.
The great teams that Michael Jordan's Bulls could walk into
your place, it didn't matter where or when. Even the Celtics,
the Celtics are the Tatum Celtics. They're sometimes better on
the road than at home. This team, the variants home
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and away, to me illustrates they're another very good team
with a chance to win a championship.
Speaker 10 (29:47):
They're not great, yeah, And I think that's just one
of the many reasons they're not like an all time
great team. The guys look at the numbers and the
analytics that want to say they're all time great. No,
they're the second youngest team ever to reach the finals.
There's no way they're an all time great team just
because they're that young and.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Will look back. Colin. They have to win more championships.
Speaker 10 (30:12):
Like when we talk about great teams, we're talking about
teams that had runs. The only one off team that
was like an all time great was the nineteen eighty
three Philly seventy six Ers with Moses Malone and Doctor j.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
All.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
The other great teams were Dynasties, the Lakers in Showtime,
Kobe Shack, the Jordan Bulls, the Golden State. So this
is not an all time great team. And furthermore, Colin
and again, I'm rooting for the Pacers hard. I'm from Indianapolis,
one of the many places I'm from. But this Pacers
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team is giving them all they want. And they don't
have one guy that you can pencil in for twenty
five a night.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
They don't have one guy.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
Their most reliable score.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Is past Gal Siaka.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Can you imagine if they had a Kevin Durant. If
that's the type of team that OKAC was facing. And
that Denver team took them seven, gave them all they
wanted with two of their best four players Aaron Gordon,
MPJ Michael Porter Jr. Severely compromised by injury. So I
think the Denver team in twenty twenty three was better
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than this OKC team. So yeah, look, I'll salute them
if they win the championship, but let's stop it with
the all time great team.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I mean, these teams live on their depth. They're both
depth teams. They're great teams of all time. We didn't
talk about we didn't care much about Shaq and Gobi's depth.
We didn't care much about that when depth is your
go to thing, you know, I think you're a very
good team. Let me say this though, I said, and
(31:55):
then we'll get Then we'll get to a couple of things.
Lakers and maybe Caitlin Clark that if Indiana wins, it
will be the strangest team ever. Think about this, strangest
championship team ever. Think about this twenty first in cap spending,
nobody averaging twenty Obi Toppins started four games all year.
(32:17):
He's their third leading scorer. TJ McConnell has become crucial,
and they have the oldest coach ever. If I wrote
those on paper, that sounds like a five hundred team
in the East if they win Sunday. Is this the
most unlikely strangest championship team ever?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I think that's fair. When you say unlikely, I mean
fourth seed.
Speaker 10 (32:40):
There haven't been many teams, only a couple, you know,
Elijah On and the Rockets. Only a few teams that
were lower than third seeds have won championships. So that
in and of itself makes them unusual. Halli Burton, you
know he's in Nick Rights Club Superstar.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I'm fine with that, but let's keep it real. He's
a star.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
He I think he would eventually become a superstar, but
he's just a star. And the only we always think
back the nineteen seventy nine Seattle SuperSonics the two thousand
and four Detroit Pistons were the only teams to win
championships without being kind of star laden or at least
land by this super all time great superstar.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
This team would be in that group.
Speaker 10 (33:23):
But even Detroit in four, Chaunce Billips was a blue
chip high school and college player, right, he just was
a disappointment his first beginning of his NBA career, but
he was a.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Blue chip talent.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
Rashid Wallace at North Carolina was a blue chip talent.
You know, like they had guys that were everyone new
for years even before the NBA, were great talents.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
This team, really.
Speaker 10 (33:52):
I mean, Pascal Siakam didn't even start playing until he
was seventeen. And Halliburton, you know, nobody really thought he
was going to be like a super star player.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
And you mentioned it.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
TJ McConnell Colin Right now, Pascal Siakam is the Finals MVP.
If Indiana were to win, TJ McConnell's in the running.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
I mean he's in the running.
Speaker 10 (34:15):
He might get a volt been on what happens in
Game seven. So this is an unusual team and it
signifies the change in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Yeah, because it's a team.
Speaker 10 (34:26):
It is not one, two, or even three superstars. It
is a true team and some will love it, some
will hate it. But it's a different NBA at least
this year.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Okay, Laker sell for ten billion. I think some of
that is the new television deal and the Mark Walters
group said, listen, we got guaranteed three hundred million dollar
checks annual or whatever's going to be. You know this
because of your sourcing in the NBA, and I've been
on this for years, is they were really becoming closer
to the Cincinnati Bengals than they were the New York Yankees,
(34:58):
Like they were mom popping it. Like there's stories this
morning when the Lakers sold. What were your sources saying
about the new group?
Speaker 10 (35:08):
Well, look, everybody loves the new group and that now
you're right, you hit on the head. The Lakers It
was a bit surprising as you start covering the NBA
to see this great franchise, the glamor franchise of the league,
one of the best franchises in American sports history, was
really run like a mom and pop operation.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
It really was.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
It is not run anywhere near the way the New
York Knicks, and they end up being much better than
the Knicks, but their run like a mom and pop operation.
And now when you bringing Mark Walter and you just
look collin at what he's done with the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
The Dodgers had not.
Speaker 10 (35:47):
Reached the World Series in twenty four years when.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
He took over.
Speaker 10 (35:51):
He takes over and they get great in short order
because he was willing to spend money. Even before the
Freddie Freeman's and Mookie Beck said show heel Tani's, they
were spending money with this new group to go get
Andre Ethier and other big.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Names, you know.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
So he came in and they've gone to four World
Series one to two, made the playoffs every year he's
been there. So now imagine the Lakers, with the weather,
with the prestige of the franchise now being willing to
spend money as much, if not more than anyone else
in the league. This is great for Luka Doncic is
(36:30):
great for Lakers fans, and they're gonna do everything they
can to start winning a bunch of championships. And when
you look at what he's done with the Dodgers, it's
hard to say he won't get a few.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, and something to remember with the Lakers. It is
a winter league and outside of Miami. Steve Balmer has
talked about this when he spent that money, he said,
a I'm never selling it, but he goes outside of Miami.
LA is the first or second choice where players, free
agent stars want to play. That's never gonna So the
Lakers brand is underachieved for about ten years, and now.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
I think that will change. Hey, I got to throw
this at you.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I'm a big Kevin Durant fan, but I said, I
don't understand the lack of interest. Only two guys in
the league average twenty five a game and shot forty
percent from three.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I love him. He's not asking for a max contract.
He's not going to get a five year deal.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I think his messaging sometimes is that he doesn't prioritize winning.
He prioritizes having fun and hoopin and I think that
turns off some really serious front offices. That's the only
thing I can come up with why there was no
bigger market. You tell me, well, why isn't there.
Speaker 10 (37:43):
I think that's a great point, and we've seen it
now now Brooklyn. I don't really put that on KD
because if they had had health, whether it was him
or James Hardener Kyrie, then I think that threesome may
have been able to win a championship. And then of
course with the vaccination, so that was beyond his control.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
But he picks Phoenix. Remember he wanted to go to Phoenix.
Speaker 10 (38:08):
Phoenix was just a couple of years away from almost
winning the championship. They still had Devin Booker, And now
look at them, and then when he has Miami on
his list of preferred destinations, why.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
If he goes to Miami.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
If I'm Phoenix, I want Bam out to buy your
Tyler Hero. Even if they could keep those two and
get him, they're not I don't think they're a championship
contending team with Kevin Durant, So he could be in
Phoenix East if he goes Miami. So I think people
are looking at that like what does he really want?
Like you said, he just wants to hoop, He wants
to have fun.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Whatever.
Speaker 10 (38:44):
Houston obviously can make the best deal for him. He
would fit in perfectly. They would absolutely be a contender.
But Colin, if I'm the Rockets, I'm sorry, I'm holding out.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
I'm waiting and holding.
Speaker 10 (38:57):
My assets to try to get Giannis out to the kumpo.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Janni's wants to give him al Walkee.
Speaker 10 (39:02):
A chance, but that could change by the trade deadline,
and because they have no way to get better, they
really don't. Dame Lillard is out, they don't have many
the control of their draft picks for several years. So
I think Giannis will eventually be on the market.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
If I'm Houston, I'm waiting for him.
Speaker 10 (39:18):
I think Minnesota is the place to go as far
as the market. Colony's about to be thirty seven years old,
and he also wants probably a two year extension that's
gonna be over one hundred million dollars. That's what teams
I think are looking at. Combined with he hasn't really
impacted winning for several years now, and he's only played
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sixty five or more games once in the last five seasons.
So those are all things that have brought Kevin Durant's
market down.
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Wherever you may be and however you may be watching
today or listening a lot of choices out there, Thanks
for making us part of your day. Jmac, I've gotta
be honest, the difference between okay See at home and
on the road last night was staggering. You got and
you got to give Indiana credit back against the wall.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
That team is.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You know, I still like in Game seven, I'm gonna
take okay See it's at home, but that second quarter,
there's something about the second quarter at home for Indiana
that was a thirty six to nine run at one point.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Wow, this is unbelievably bad basketball by OKC Colin. I mean,
I hope you crush them here. I'm waiting. I'm waiting,
all right.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
The question, the debate on OKC has been this year
are they a great team? I mean, they were twenty
nine to one against the East in the regular season,
twenty nine to one. They won on average by twelve
point nine points a game, NBA record point differential, suffocating defense,
unbelievable at home, fourth most regular season wins. Ever, well,
(01:45):
it's been confirmed they're not a great team. They're a
very good team. In a finals clinching game, they had
their lowest output of the season offensively, in the most
turnovers and again a thirty six to nine run by
Indy the hell okase, he's very good. They've got those
young legs and young energy and sometimes you know, man,
(02:06):
they got a number one score. They got size, and
they got depth. But age, youth gives you a huge variance.
Jalen Williams forty points in game five minus forty in
game six. That's the variance you get, not only as
a team collectively, but individual players. So like chet Holmgren,
(02:27):
three times in the finals alone, he's had fewer than
ten points. Like where's his offense? Willy Price should have
stayed in college a year more. He's he's a young player,
still good defensively, but this is what you get at home. Okay,
So you'll get these leads, and they play more aggressively
with a lead.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
They're a little like the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Right, Baltimore's got Lamar, they got SGA at home. Does
anybody get more blowout wins last couple of years than
Baltimore and OKAC?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
No, but they.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Planned from behind, the Ravens and the thunder. Sometimes that
offense dries up, and it did last night. So it's
not an excuse. I'm not making excuses for Oklahoma City.
I was shocked at the blowout loss, but.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It is a reason.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
They're the youngest finals team in forty eight years. And
I said, I'll take them in Game seven. But just
like having young kids, you put them in the car
for a roadie, things get squirrely. Are we there yet? No,
it's game six? Be patient, And it wasn't good. If
you look at the home splits, Okasee, not only is
(03:37):
tenant two at home and five hundred on the road,
they're plus two forty seven at home and minus sixty
seven on the road.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So we've been talking about this.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oklahoma City's bench great at home, rotational players, great at home. Indiana,
they've had these, you know, the TJ. McConnell's. Those kind
of players are unbelievable at home. But history of the
NBA is young teams can struggle in the postseason when
they get uncomfortable. So again I'm gonna take I thought
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they'd win last night. The fact that Halliburton played and
played well is shocking. I'm gonna get to that after
the break. That's and they deserve a ton of credit.
I will get more to that. But all the pressure,
even though it's at home, all the pressure is gonna
be on OKC, and young players with pressure can shrink.
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Here's SGA after the humbling loss in Game six.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
The way I see it is we suck tonight. We
have to learn the lessons, and we have one game
for everything, for everything we've worked for, and so do they,
and the better team Sunday will win.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
All right.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So I will get to the Pacers, give them their
flowers after the break. But I got to talk about
once again last night. I don't want to hear Yankees
and Red Sox the best easily the best baseball rivalry
Potteris Dodgers, and it got feisty again.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Last night in the ninth inning.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Now a lot of the crowd had filed out, but
in the ninth inning, the Dodgers had a rookie pitcher
clearly didn't throw at Tatis, who dramatically crumples to the
ground when he got hit on the wrist. I get
that it hurts, but it's a rookie pitcher making his
debut at home.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I don't think he threw at him.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And the managers come out, Dave Roberts, actually, I think
at one point bumped Mike Shield their dog, cussing each other.
So I'll be honest, it's baseball at its best. I
feel like you saw a lot more of this in
the eighties. Sometimes in a tedious long regular season, intensity
and heat equal interest. And we saw the two biggest
(05:47):
stories this week had been Caitlin Clark and the scrum
and this why sports fans want you to care as
much as they do, and the Podreys and the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
This is real.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So then in the bottom of that inning, the ninth,
the Padres clearly throw in retaliation after this Tatise getting hit.
That's top of the ninth. Then they go to the
bottom of the ninth and show, hey, o'tana gets plunked
on a three to zero pitch one hundred miles an
hour in the back. Yeah it hurts O TWI nothing new.
(06:20):
He's the best at this too. Acted with class, went
down and shakes the first baseman's hand, class the organization.
He acts with class, voice of reason. But here's the thing.
When I was a kid, baseball had a ton of personality.
Reggie Jackson, Pete Rose, Mickey Rivers, Mark Fidrich, Al Raboski,
(06:43):
and the players leaned into it. They leaned into it.
Everybody had big personalities. And then something weird happened. The
sport got very pious and very precious. There's a way
to play the game, and the unwritten rules of get
out of here, give me a break sports, and all
of a sudden, for about a twenty year period, it
(07:03):
felt like there were locker room governors and and locker
room statesman. They're attacking their own Bryce Harper, and it
did not help the sport. Finally, Rob Manfred and the
sport started saying, hey, guys, lean into this stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
It's sports.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It's not Congress. There isn't a way to play the game.
Play it with intensity. Sometimes intensity boils over and the
throwing it. Guys, but this is good for sports. I know,
I know you don't want to hear it. But the
Dodger's padres it's authentic, it's intense, it's old school, it's feisty,
it's a little petty.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I'm here for it. And here's Dave Roberts after.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
As he comes out and he's yelling at me and
staring me down. That bothers me because, to be quite frank,
that's the last thing I wanted. I'm taking starters out
of the game and you know, trying to you know,
get this game over and get this kid a couple
(08:05):
of innings. And so that's why I felt, you know,
I took that personal.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So we've had a very very interesting week in sports.
The Caitlin Clark scrum fascinating. Everybody was gonna be okay,
don't overreact. And again this when these two teams meet,
they throw at each other, dugout, spill out, managers bump,
everybody's gonna be okay.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
This is what sports fans want.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
They want you to care, they want passion, they want heat,
They want intensity. Dave Roberts is such a nice guy.
He's out there finger pointing, and I just think it's great.
I think it's great for sports. Its too bad half
the fans had already poured out the ninth vitting So
J Mack, let's go back to the finals. I was
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absolutely surprised. I thought it would be a close game. Okay,
se would pull away. Were you surprised that played?
Speaker 8 (09:01):
I was stunned.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I mean he didn't play poorly, he was fine. No,
But Colin, something you just said resonated with me. It's
like fans care deeply about baseball, the and the fighting
because the players care, right, care deeply about Kateler Clark.
Because the players care. Are you seeing that care and
that one? I didn't see that from Okac. You could
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have choked them out last night, ended the series, and
I saw no fire, no brimstone, SGA just walking around
like it was a February the NBA game.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
I didn't see that killer instinct. Alex Caruso, I mean
he was a minus thirty three.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Collins.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
Yeah, where's the energy, where's the care?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Well, here's the care.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
If you're a great team, if you're Shaq and Kobe
or the MJ Bulls. We have to remember, you know,
because because this was ready in the heart of when
I was a young sportscaster, Michael Jordan and the Bulls
had close out games a couple of times against Gary
Payton and the Sonics and delivered duds.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
We were up three nothing. I mean, I think that's
a little different. This was like, hey, three two, let's
close up.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
But I mean, I mean, you have to remember. We
tend to romanticize this. Steph Curry and the Warriors have
had duds in big games. I mean, listen, the Warriors
could not close out at home Lebron James and the
team that won like.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
That was the Draymond suspension game, but they got.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Blown out three times in that series. Teams have bad games,
and those teams are closer to great teams what we
have now in the NBA. The Celtics team that won,
the Denver team that won. These two teams, these are
very very good teams, just like my Sonics and my
Blazers in the seventies. Very good teams. They're not great teams. No,
they're not great, and we've maybe only had four or
(10:40):
five great teams. I thought I thought a team that
was great that didn't win a championship was the Barkley
Suns that were scoring one hundred and twenty five before
the avalanche of threes. I mean they were literally changed
the game that I mean, it was an incredible team
to watch, and they didn't win because they faced you know,
it's it's like Tiger at his prime. They faced Michael Jordan.
So these are very good teams, and I think Oklahoma
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City because remember in these got a lot of older dudes.
Siakam has been around a while. Pascal Siakam has been
around a while, Carlisle, the coach, been around a while.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Even the coaching staff with.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
OKAC is young and so a in these talents better
than anybody wants to admit. They got a more experienced coach.
And the truth is there's two things working against OKAC
last night. They're a very good team, they're not a
great team, and they're the youngest team in forty eight
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years in the finals and you are seeing this wild
very I mean, I was shocked. But OKC in this
series has had four or five atrocious quarters. I mean,
Michael Jordan's team could lose. I mean that's I've seen
a couple of second quarters. I mean, just think about
that thirty six to nine run. So that is crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Let me ask you, so in Game five, OKAC had
twenty seven steals and blocks.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
They were everywhere hellacious defensively.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
They didn't get their first steal last night until midway
through the third quarter.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
That to me says, yes, we don't really care, We're.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Not locked in.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
We're like, that's just lack of effort, Colin. And if
you're not going to put forth the effort, why am
I watching. I didn't watch a fut quarter.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I'm like, no one thing. That one thing that is clear.
OKC is not a great offensive team. They're a great
defensive team with remarkable depth. So they need the defense
to be humming to win. Okay, They're not a team
that can play bad defense and win like they're not.
This is not the Showtime Lakers where you could win one,
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thirty one, twenty four regularly. Okay, this team wins with defense,
block steels that generates offense. Indianapolis is a better defensive
team than people give them credit for. The Pacers are,
but they don't have to play great defense to win.
They have amazing offensive nights okac is led by defense
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that has to be great, and when it's not, I
mean they had them. I don't know what the stretch was,
but o case he had a stretch last night. It
may have been six minutes that one field goal or
I mean they just dried up.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
Let me ask you real quick.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
To coach Dagnault, we kind of criticized him for in
Game one totally changing his starting lineup.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
So did you notice last night, Small Potatoes, they're down
twenty at a half. Hey, I'm gonna start Alex Caruso
in the second half had not done that, and I
felt like that was a bit of a reach.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Oh, we need a spark, we need energy, Colin. I
just wonder Carlisle's a better coach, we would agree.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
Is Dagnault in his head a little bit searching for answers.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Because you know every movie makes Carliles countering and it
just takes a little while to figure it out. I
wonder if he's going to change something for Game seven.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I said, we don't get many Game sevens. You can
say what you want about ratings in the series, it's
gonna be an all timer. We don't get a lot
of Game sevens can't wait.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
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Speaker 1 (14:05):
Welcome in, It is our two and it is a
Friday jamc how luckier I got to take everybody behind
the curtain a little bit here. And I don't want
to spend too much time on this, but a couple
of years ago, I felt baseball felt before they brought
in the pitch clock and the defensive shift, I felt
baseball was really stagnant, had about a fifteen year stagnant run,
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and I didn't talk about it a lot, and Caitlin
Clark hadn't arrived yet the WNBA, and I felt the
show was almost too much FOOTBALLS like seventy percent football,
and I've never wanted to work at the NFL network.
They do a great job. But I like talking about
college football. I like having a lot of different topics.
And the fact that the WNBA Caitlin Clark is a
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regular segment and we monitor the segments.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You don't turn away.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And the fact that Baseball Dodgers Podrey's rivalry. Four times
this week we talked about. It is a gift. I
feel very very lucky.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You know, I love football, and if I was a
sports talk show host in the UK, I would talk
Premier League seventy five percent of the time. I understand
how popular the NFL is, but in the off season
for six months, I love the variants. I love having
all these topics. So this has been a really really
fun week for me, and I think j Mackfield's the
same way I got United States Men's national team. I
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got Caitlin Clark, I got an insane Dodger padre series,
guys getting plunked. This has been one of my favorite
weeks in a long time because we just had so
many different things to talk about. And I know you think,
Colin you talk about NFL. Well, you watch a lot
of NFL. That's why I talk a lot of NFL.
But there's been a fun week.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah, And next week we get the NBA Draft and
obviously the Cooper Flag stuff is a big time.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
Player sliding in the draft.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
We're expecting Kevin Durant trade like it doesn't stop here
just because of this.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Week's so okay, So there are we go to a
game seven, what do we know we're gonna get not much.
I mean, I gotta be honest. I did not think
OKAC was going to get house last night with Halliburton
at sixty percent. Here are the five things that I
predict will get in order of assuredness. Number one, Okayse's
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defense will be really good. It's holding opponents to thirty
two percent from three point range. At home, they have
the best defensive rating. They got a lot of fresh
legs and bodies. They are a different team energy wise.
At home, okase will play very good defense. Doesn't mean
no when, but their defense won't look anything like last night.
(16:38):
The second thing Rick Carlile's coaching. He's good. I mean
the ball movement with him, which he preaches. They have
seven hundred and five more passes than Okasee in the finals.
Their ball movement, the use of their bench, all the levers.
Oldest coach in NBA Finals history, Rick Carlyle will bring
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his plus plus game. Number three SGA getting eight plus
free throw attempts. He gets more at home, and they're
good when he gets them. So he is leading the
Finals at nine point seven free throws a game, and
on the road he's a little more meek at home,
he gets them eight of the twelve home games this
season in the playoffs, he's got eight plus free throw
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So that's number three. I think I think he'll get that.
Number four. A guy I really like in half for years,
Pascal Siakam will play really, really well. He's a dog man.
He's a really good player. Fifteen plus points in fifteen
straight playoff games. He's the only pacer that's given you
ten plus points in every game, and he's a big
game player. He's a really good player. So I think
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Pascal Siakam is gonna play well. And I do think
number five Oklahoma Cities bench will show up. It doesn't
mean it'll be better than Indiana's, but it'll show up.
So you know they're they're nine and two this postseason
when their bench shoots like forty five percent from the field.
Any young players who are not star players, young bench
players Indiana or Oka see always play.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Much better at home. So most of these feel like.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I'm very pro Oklahoma City, but I think Indiana's got
the better coach, and I know Pascal Siakam is gonna deliver.
I also think you got a couple of days here
for Halliburton to rest. The leg doesn't hurt. Little break
there doesn't hurt. How many minutes he play last night,
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twenty three to twenty four minutes. Rick Carlisle on Game
seven Sunday.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
One game, I mean, this is this is what it's
all about. I mean, this is you know, this is
what you dream about growing up, This kind of opportunity.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
It's a very difficult place to play.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
We know that, but.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
You know, this is.
Speaker 9 (18:57):
The opportunity to play in a game like this a
great honor and a great privilege.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
One twenty one one seventeen, OKC. I think I get
him at home. I gotta believe both teams are going
to be a little tired. It's been a lot. It's
a lot of travel. Uh, it's a lot of intensity, man.
I mean, you know, one of the things about basketball,
it's really it's great. So in hockey you got the glass.
In baseball outside of Fenway Park, you're separated from fans.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Football, you got helmets.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
On basketball, the proximity of fans to athletes makes it
such a good television product. I mean, the Indiana fans
and I really do believe this, especially with younger players,
I was thinking about this last night.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
When say Okham gets.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That dunk early and you're on the ground and you
got Indiana fans above you, high five in you. It
absolutely has to change the body chemistry.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I mean it just has to.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Like fans matter so so much in basketball, even more
in college basketball because the players are younger. But you
when you watch Indiana's fan base and they are literally
like fist bump close to players, same with OKC.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I think it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I love when an NBA player makes a big basket
and fives a fan. I as long as the fan
understands you don't open that gate. That is always a
player's decision. If he comes to you, it's good you
don't go to him ever. But it's cool. And watching
those Indiana fans last night when Saya comes hitting those
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shots and he's on the floor, he can hear you.
You're four feet away, Dan righty can hear you. And
it matters, and it's great sports. It just plows through
the television. Okay, now I know what you're gonna say, Come,
how come you have to bring.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Up Jason Tatum?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Here we go, Cooper flags Mavericks workout the word being
thrown around is unreal, better than expected. He's a complete beast.
I am very comfortable saying he's going to be a
better player than Jason Tatum eventually, and it won't take long.
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Why go bring up Jason Tate. They both went to Duke.
That's his comp that's why. So he's much better defender
at this point than Tatum was at this age, not close.
And he's a much more aggressive player. And he had
better stats everywhere than Tatum, and he's younger than Tatum. Points, rebounds, assists,
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free throw attempt steals, blocked. It just better across the board.
And those are just stats. Aura and Alpha Brah.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Not close.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Think about this, this guy, if he didn't reclassify, he
would be walking in the height school stage to get.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
His diploma right now.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Like this is the best domestic basketball product since Anthony Davis.
I don't want to hear about John Moran and Zion.
There were all sorts of things about Zion that concerned people,
like his torque and his injuries. This kid can really play,
and there's some you know, video stuff they're not We're
not seeing a ton of it. But he is an
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all time prospect, you know, and I was talking. I
think I was talking off the air to Christine Brennan.
I think it was off. There may have been on,
but I think it was off. Is that sometimes, like
Caitlin Clark, nobody thought she would be this good. Even
Gina Oriama Yukon coach is like, come on, slow down,
she's better than we thought. Everybody knew Tiger was special.
(22:46):
We didn't think it was going to look like that
where he was running away from the field of the
US Open Lebron James. Nobody predicted he was going to
surpass mj in every statistical category. Bryce Hart is more
what you expect. Bryce Harper was called the best baseball
prospect ever. He was an eight time All Star.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I think he's been.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
A MVP of a National League playoff series. Is he's
eight nationally MVP a couple times a time All Star.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That's what you expect.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So if I said to you, Cooper Flag makes makes
seven to eight All Star teams, that would be a
really good career for a top prospect. I think we're
looking guy that's better than that. That's my take because
I watched him. He very I can't say the last
time I saw a college player that didn't have really
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a hole in his game. I don't see what the
hole is. And he can shoot, he can defend, he
can run. Again, you cross your fingers on injuries. But
I mean again, if he had a Bryce Harper career,
and I guess I'm right, two time NL MVP, eight
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time All Star, I think I think Harper's got three
hundred and forty four home runs, I'm crossing my fingers.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I'm right?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
How about that? The staff took all these years finally
respect me. So so Bryce Harper is like what you
would think an all time prospect, you'd be like, I
was satisfied with that. Bryce Harper has lived up to it.
Sometimes people go above and beyond. I think this kid
has a chance to do that. I think he's really
really good. We'll see for the record, is this more
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of the video? The video we got? He never missed
a shot. So now I will tell you j MA
is gonna have this. There is one player in this draft.
This this draft is going.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
To have a bust. Every draft does.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Of course, I think I know who the one guy
is gonna be a bust. I'm not gonna say it.
I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you have the story.
But there's one player where things are not good.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
By the way, this Cooper Flag stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
You remember, I forget who came on our show, but
someone was like, oh NBA comp Andre Kirolinko.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
Do you remember I might have been Paul Pierce. Bro
Andre Kirolinko.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I think made like an All Star game, never all NBA.
That's a borderline disrespectful, Andre Carolinko.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
If I'm just thinking I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think Cooper Flag much better, much early, and much
more aggressive and much more.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Polished, dominant in college basketball, dominant, he's gonna be I'm
all in on Cooper Flag.
Speaker 8 (25:25):
I think he's gonna be spectacular.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I will tell you, I'll tell you this. People are
saying it's a Carlos Boozer. Carlos Boozer compared Flag to Carolinko.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I don't gross.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I will say this though, the number two kid in
the draft from Rutgers, the guard, the six to sixth guard,
he's going to be a star to that.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No, no, no, no, he's not just good. He's a kid.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
He is he is a really special process.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Do you remember Ben Simmons went to LSU. He was
supposed to change college basketball.
Speaker 8 (25:57):
You do could not get to the NCAA tournament and
we killed him.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Harper is on a team with eighth Bailey, who's gonna
go top ten?
Speaker 8 (26:05):
They could not as a duo get Rutgers to the
NCAA Tournament. I know I'm not going to crush them
for that. Dylan Harper is a good player.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Let's pump the brakes on him being some kind of
massive superstar.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Okay, let's just settled. Well say superstar? I said all Star?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
What I mean? Come on?
Speaker 8 (26:22):
All Star? Is that the barometer for a number two pick?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You go number two?
Speaker 8 (26:26):
I need more than All Star?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Collin, Well, what do you need?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
I need all NBA.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
You're one of the best at your position in the league.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Also, you understand there's in five guys on that All
NBA first team, and basketball is not football. Guys play
for fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
No, no, a third team that matters your top fifteen
in the league. All Star is like a popularity contest.
It's like voting for president and your junior high school.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Yeah, who's the cutest girl? I just vote for her.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
She's gonna give us a soda machine in a cafeteria,
Like that's what the All Star Game is?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Come on, all right?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
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Speaker 1 (27:06):
Chris Brusard is now joining US cover the NBA since
the mid nineties. Collos, First things first, I was saying
Game sevens are crazy. The one or two things I
know I'm gonna get O case. He's defense will show up,
Rick Carlisle's coaching, he'll be great. I'm not sure I
trust anything else. Pascal Siakam usually gives you a pretty
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consistent game. I mean, let's start with this. Were you
surprised that Halliburton played and he was that good last night?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Because he was pretty good.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah. I wasn't surprised that he played.
Speaker 10 (27:39):
I fully expected that, but he did not look injured,
and I know he was. There's no way to lie
about an injury like that. But I think it was
smart of the Pacers to like make it a game
time decision. I'm sure they knew. I don't know if
they ever thought he wouldn't play, you know, but to
leave it out there as a game time decision and
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put that question out there in the minds of OKC
Colin as good as Indiana was, and they were great,
and they deserve all the credit.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
For last night.
Speaker 10 (28:11):
I also thought OKC contributed to.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
That performance clearly.
Speaker 10 (28:15):
I mean, they're not that much worse than the Pacers
or even on a bad night. And they looked like
a team that felt like the championship was in their pocket,
like they had it that Indiana was gonna fold, and
that Halliburton either wouldn't play or if he did play,
he would be severely compromised and no good. And he
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was the exact opposite. He looked fine, he moved well.
I actually think Colin the injury made him focus more
because he was more aggressive than he's been for most
of the playoffs. Yea, you know, like I think it
made him zero in and say, okay, I really have
no room for error tonight, and he ended up having
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one of his best games of the series.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You know, I said this because they won by an
average of twelve point nine points a game, because they
had the fourth most wins. Ever, there were these discussions,
are we looking at a great team?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And I fell for it. With Denver. I totally fell
for it. I'm like, they're gonna be the Spurs.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I think last night confirmed they're not a great team.
Great teams aren't different on the road to that level.
The great teams that Michael Jordan's Bulls could walk into
your place, it didn't matter where or when. Even the Celtics,
the Celtics are the Tatum Celtics. They're sometimes better on
the road than at home. This team, the variants home
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and away, to me illustrates they're another very good team
with a chance to win a championship.
Speaker 10 (29:47):
They're not great, yeah, And I think that's just one
of the many reasons they're not like an all time
great team. The guys look at the numbers and the
analytics that want to say they're all time great. No,
they're the second youngest team ever to reach the finals.
There's no way they're an all time great team just
because they're that young and.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Will look back. Colin. They have to win more championships.
Speaker 10 (30:12):
Like when we talk about great teams, we're talking about
teams that had runs. The only one off team that
was like an all time great was the nineteen eighty
three Philly seventy six Ers with Moses Malone and Doctor j.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
All.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
The other great teams were Dynasties, the Lakers in Showtime,
Kobe Shack, the Jordan Bulls, the Golden State. So this
is not an all time great team. And furthermore, Colin
and again, I'm rooting for the Pacers hard. I'm from Indianapolis,
one of the many places I'm from. But this Pacers
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team is giving them all they want. And they don't
have one guy that you can pencil in for twenty
five a night.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
They don't have one guy.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
Their most reliable score.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Is past Gal Siaka.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Can you imagine if they had a Kevin Durant. If
that's the type of team that OKAC was facing. And
that Denver team took them seven, gave them all they
wanted with two of their best four players Aaron Gordon,
MPJ Michael Porter Jr. Severely compromised by injury. So I
think the Denver team in twenty twenty three was better
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than this OKC team. So yeah, look, I'll salute them
if they win the championship, but let's stop it with
the all time great team.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I mean, these teams live on their depth. They're both
depth teams. They're great teams of all time. We didn't
talk about we didn't care much about Shaq and Gobi's depth.
We didn't care much about that when depth is your
go to thing, you know, I think you're a very
good team. Let me say this though, I said, and
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then we'll get Then we'll get to a couple of things.
Lakers and maybe Caitlin Clark that if Indiana wins, it
will be the strangest team ever. Think about this, strangest
championship team ever. Think about this twenty first in cap spending,
nobody averaging twenty Obi Toppins started four games all year.
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He's their third leading scorer. TJ McConnell has become crucial,
and they have the oldest coach ever. If I wrote
those on paper, that sounds like a five hundred team
in the East if they win Sunday. Is this the
most unlikely strangest championship team ever?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I think that's fair. When you say unlikely, I mean
fourth seed.
Speaker 10 (32:40):
There haven't been many teams, only a couple, you know,
Elijah On and the Rockets. Only a few teams that
were lower than third seeds have won championships. So that
in and of itself makes them unusual. Halli Burton, you
know he's in Nick Rights Club Superstar.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I'm fine with that, but let's keep it real. He's
a star.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
He I think he would eventually become a superstar, but
he's just a star. And the only we always think
back the nineteen seventy nine Seattle SuperSonics the two thousand
and four Detroit Pistons were the only teams to win
championships without being kind of star laden or at least
land by this super all time great superstar.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
This team would be in that group.
Speaker 10 (33:23):
But even Detroit in four, Chaunce Billips was a blue
chip high school and college player, right, he just was
a disappointment his first beginning of his NBA career, but
he was a.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Blue chip talent.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
Rashid Wallace at North Carolina was a blue chip talent.
You know, like they had guys that were everyone new
for years even before the NBA, were great talents.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
This team, really.
Speaker 10 (33:52):
I mean, Pascal Siakam didn't even start playing until he
was seventeen. And Halliburton, you know, nobody really thought he
was going to be like a super star player.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
And you mentioned it.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
TJ McConnell Colin Right now, Pascal Siakam is the Finals MVP.
If Indiana were to win, TJ McConnell's in the running.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
I mean he's in the running.
Speaker 10 (34:15):
He might get a volt been on what happens in
Game seven. So this is an unusual team and it
signifies the change in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Yeah, because it's a team.
Speaker 10 (34:26):
It is not one, two, or even three superstars. It
is a true team and some will love it, some
will hate it. But it's a different NBA at least
this year.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Okay, Laker sell for ten billion. I think some of
that is the new television deal and the Mark Walters
group said, listen, we got guaranteed three hundred million dollar
checks annual or whatever's going to be. You know this
because of your sourcing in the NBA, and I've been
on this for years, is they were really becoming closer
to the Cincinnati Bengals than they were the New York Yankees,
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Like they were mom popping it. Like there's stories this
morning when the Lakers sold. What were your sources saying
about the new group?
Speaker 10 (35:08):
Well, look, everybody loves the new group and that now
you're right, you hit on the head. The Lakers It
was a bit surprising as you start covering the NBA
to see this great franchise, the glamor franchise of the league,
one of the best franchises in American sports history, was
really run like a mom and pop operation.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
It really was.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
It is not run anywhere near the way the New
York Knicks, and they end up being much better than
the Knicks, but their run like a mom and pop operation.
And now when you bringing Mark Walter and you just
look collin at what he's done with the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
The Dodgers had not.
Speaker 10 (35:47):
Reached the World Series in twenty four years when.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
He took over.
Speaker 10 (35:51):
He takes over and they get great in short order
because he was willing to spend money. Even before the
Freddie Freeman's and Mookie Beck said show heel Tani's, they
were spending money with this new group to go get
Andre Ethier and other big.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Names, you know.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
So he came in and they've gone to four World
Series one to two, made the playoffs every year he's
been there. So now imagine the Lakers, with the weather,
with the prestige of the franchise now being willing to
spend money as much, if not more than anyone else
in the league. This is great for Luka Doncic is
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great for Lakers fans, and they're gonna do everything they
can to start winning a bunch of championships. And when
you look at what he's done with the Dodgers, it's
hard to say he won't get a few.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, and something to remember with the Lakers. It is
a winter league and outside of Miami. Steve Balmer has
talked about this when he spent that money, he said,
a I'm never selling it, but he goes outside of Miami.
LA is the first or second choice where players, free
agent stars want to play. That's never gonna So the
Lakers brand is underachieved for about ten years, and now.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
I think that will change. Hey, I got to throw
this at you.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I'm a big Kevin Durant fan, but I said, I
don't understand the lack of interest. Only two guys in
the league average twenty five a game and shot forty
percent from three.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I love him. He's not asking for a max contract.
He's not going to get a five year deal.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I think his messaging sometimes is that he doesn't prioritize winning.
He prioritizes having fun and hoopin and I think that
turns off some really serious front offices. That's the only
thing I can come up with why there was no
bigger market. You tell me, well, why isn't there.
Speaker 10 (37:43):
I think that's a great point, and we've seen it
now now Brooklyn. I don't really put that on KD
because if they had had health, whether it was him
or James Hardener Kyrie, then I think that threesome may
have been able to win a championship. And then of
course with the vaccination, so that was beyond his control.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
But he picks Phoenix. Remember he wanted to go to Phoenix.
Speaker 10 (38:08):
Phoenix was just a couple of years away from almost
winning the championship. They still had Devin Booker, And now
look at them, and then when he has Miami on
his list of preferred destinations, why.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
If he goes to Miami.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
If I'm Phoenix, I want Bam out to buy your
Tyler Hero. Even if they could keep those two and
get him, they're not I don't think they're a championship
contending team with Kevin Durant, So he could be in
Phoenix East if he goes Miami. So I think people
are looking at that like what does he really want?
Like you said, he just wants to hoop, He wants
to have fun.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Whatever.
Speaker 10 (38:44):
Houston obviously can make the best deal for him. He
would fit in perfectly. They would absolutely be a contender.
But Colin, if I'm the Rockets, I'm sorry, I'm holding out.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
I'm waiting and holding.
Speaker 10 (38:57):
My assets to try to get Giannis out to the kumpo.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Janni's wants to give him al Walkee.
Speaker 10 (39:02):
A chance, but that could change by the trade deadline,
and because they have no way to get better, they
really don't. Dame Lillard is out, they don't have many
the control of their draft picks for several years. So
I think Giannis will eventually be on the market.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
If I'm Houston, I'm waiting for him.
Speaker 10 (39:18):
I think Minnesota is the place to go as far
as the market. Colony's about to be thirty seven years old,
and he also wants probably a two year extension that's
gonna be over one hundred million dollars. That's what teams
I think are looking at. Combined with he hasn't really
impacted winning for several years now, and he's only played
(39:41):
sixty five or more games once in the last five seasons.
So those are all things that have brought Kevin Durant's
market down.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
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