Colin’s top takes of the week!
First, Colin’s joined by Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1!
They start with the major breaking news that the Buss family has sold the Los Angeles Lakers at a $10 billion dollar valuation, and why it’s a massive positive for the Lakers to no longer be a mom & pop operation (3:00). They compare and rank the biggest brands in American sports (13:00), and argue that star players under contract can do as much for a valuation as the brand’s legacy.
They pivot to Caitlin Clark and debate whether the media is UNDERRATING her superstardom and how great she will become on the court (15:30). Then, he’s joined by Jason Timpf, host of “Hoops Tonight”, to break down other top NBA storylines.
They discuss what to make of Ja Morant’s future as his trajectory is pointing down (31:00), and explain why Morant is a cautionary tale (35:45).
Finally, they react to the reports that Kevin Durant prefers the Spurs as a trade destination and debate whether it’d be the best fit out of his potential suitors (40:00).
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We get nick right for an hour and it's a
news breaking day. The Lakers just sold for a ten
billion dollar evaluation, which I believed for a long time. Nick,
all these sports franchises are undervalued. Whenever they say, you know,
the Cowboys are worth seven billion dollars. My take is
if somebody in Saudi Arabia had a good month with oil,
(01:32):
they buy him for thirteen billion. Because you don't know
if Google is going to be around in twenty years
or Microsoft. You know the Dallas Cowboys are going to
be around in twenty years. In fact, I remember reading
a story years and years ago they went back to
like nineteen eighty and they took the thirty leading companies
on the Dow Jones, and twenty five years later only
one was still like a really it was like Chevron
(01:55):
or something. And so my point is the Mark Walters
group is the Dodger owner. It's a really good group.
And it does make me think, Okay, the mom and
pop Lakers are over, because that's been the big knock
in LA is that. I mean, people forget little old
Van Gilbert could buy the Bus family four times. They've
been one of the poorest NBA ownership groups.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Correct, and one of the poorest from a net worth perspective,
and I would argue that they haven't. They have been
one of the more poorly run organizations in the league.
And I know that's weird because they have the second
most championships and they just got Luke and Lebron went there.
But I think that they have squandered a lot of opportunities.
(02:42):
I think that since doctor Bus passed, they have There
are very few things you can say the Lakers do
top notch in the league. And while they have been
you know, willing to spend, I think they've you know,
last decade, they've spent like the seventh most money they
should be the seventh most for Los Angeles Lakers. Is
(03:03):
not maximizing the market and the brand. I understand, it's
not baseball, so there is a cap. And in the
new NBA with the aprons, just spending recklessly can really
hamstring you. But this is a massive net positive for
the Los Angeles Lakers, for their fans. In my opinion,
you should not have. They're in a weird spot where,
(03:26):
similar to the Cowboys, where ownership's primary source of income
is the team, and that's one of the reasons I
think the Cowboys don't necessarily spend the way they should.
And that's how I have felt about the Lakers. So listen,
I don't know much about Mark Walters. I know that
he bought twenty six percent of the team from I
(03:47):
think A Shoots or whomever with the guarantee. Part of
that was if the buses sell, I get the first opportunity,
and now he's in. Now I agree agree with you.
Historically sports franchises have been undervalued. I wonder if we
are now getting to wear ten billions, ten billion dollars
(04:09):
kind of like, that's a lot thing about this money.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So the the Celtics sold for six billion. The GDP
of Boston, the gross domestic product is six hundred million annually.
It's a trillion in Los Angeles. The Los Angeles economy
would be the twentieth biggest economy in the world, meaning
it would be bigger than about one hundred and eighty
five countries.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So and so, and they own the the Lakers own
their arena, so that's an importance. So like you just
if the arena's worth two billion, given where it is
in the real estate and whatever. So now it's not
six versus ten at six versus eight. And you take
the fact that LA's a bigger market, and you know,
as much as this will pain our buddy Bill Simmons,
(04:54):
the Lakers are the biggest brand ambasketball.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Like Celtics were in the finals two years ago, it
didn't get good rating, It didn't get a number D.
I mean when the Lakers are in the final, regardless
of who the star is, it generally gets a much
bigger rating.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, yes, it's also true the Lakers have never been
in the finals without one of the biggest stars in
the Lawler. Well, that's a lot of like, oh that
Lakers time they made the finals with that scrappy, underachieving team. No,
it's Lebron or Kobe or Shacker, Magic or Kareem or Will.
But still your point stands. Yeah, no, they are the
the This is a fun one because you did your
(05:31):
Mount what was it, Mount just just more because they're
just more than everyone else. If we were to do
God this is this is corny and make funnable content.
It also, I'm sure will crush on TikTok or something.
If we were to do the Mount rushmore franchises in
(05:55):
American Force.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Four.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
To me, there are three no brainers and then people
would argue about the four fourth. But the three no
brainers are the New York Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys, and
the Los Angeles Lakers. Those to me, do you think
I'm missing anything there? I think those are the three
brands that are truly every corner of the world. They're
(06:26):
you know, somebody's walking around wearing a T shirt even
if they've never heard of the team.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, I think I will say this. I think the
LA Dodgers because of the Walters Group, perfect spring, summer,
fall weather, O tawny. Now is you know Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
(06:52):
Dodger games are now an event. There are fans from
the Pacific Rim. Every home game owed attendance for the
Dodgers is number one in the league. They played the Yankees,
I think it was last year if I like twenty
five percent of the crowd was Dodger fans. They travel
incredibly well. I think the Dodgers over the last eight
(07:12):
since they've been purchased from the Mark Walters Group, I
think they have become and I'm and I mean this,
I think they're a step ahead of the Yankees. They
don't have all the pennants, they don't have all the titles,
but this ownership group is much more It's got deeper pockets.
(07:33):
It's more aggressive. I mean the way they are pushing
contracts down the road. They are a revolutionary fans as,
but they're not a bigger brand than the New York Games.
I think they're getting close. I think Otawni changes it.
I really do. Well.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
If the idea is like Otani brings in and a
whole similar to Iron stand why I think he brings
in the Pacific Round Like what yeah, like what Yao
Ming did for the Houston Rockets. We're all of a sudden,
it's like you have this whole new market. But if so,
the because I really maybe eventually the Dodgers get there.
(08:08):
If Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers is the three the teams across
sports competing for that fourth spot, Dodgers definitely are in
the contention. The Celtics are the Warriors, No, probably not,
because that's good. The Warriors are like the Chiefs in
that it's the super nova of the moment in Mahomes
(08:30):
or Steph Curry, But they don't have a history to
where they're this big brand. So do you think you
think the Dodgers now have surpassed the Cubs. Yes, as
the second biggest.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Brands in base Yes, okay, because again, remember Chicago wanted
the Olympics. Why couldn't they get them? Because they were
not considered a global city. They were considered maybe are
They're like, Chicago has won Best North American City seven
years in a row from Conde nas Texture. It's an
(09:01):
unbelievable city, but it's not viewed as an international city.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
D C.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
San Francisco, LA, New York. Boston similarly is not necessarily seen.
It's seen as kind of parential for prudential parochial. So
I think they've surfaced. And the Cubs, the Ricketts family,
which by the way, they live about five minutes from
where I'm sitting right now, they are it seats thirty
six thousand. Their revenues just don't. They're not close. They're
(09:29):
just not close anymore so. And I think the Cubs
are historic and they matter domestically, but I don't think
they pull a big number for that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That might be right, and it also might be a
lot of the benefit of the Cubs win away or
benefits their own word, but brand recognition for lack of
better term of the Cubs had to do with if
you're a millennial when you were growing up with like
basic cable, for some reason, you got the Cubs games
(10:01):
because of WGN, so you could like watch your team
and the Cubs, and so they had that and now
people can watch whatever teams they want. I just saw
the who do you sorry for this slight detour, but
after the Cowboys, what do you think the biggest brand
in football is? Like, I hesitate in the moment, it's
(10:21):
obviously the Chiefs, but you wonder, like if Mahomes retired,
like's an interesting everyone if nobody cares if you bought.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
The Chiefs today, well you would have to consider Andy
Reid and Patrick Mahomes part of the buye. So this idea, Well,
the brand, what is the brand right now? Jerry Jones
is eighty, They're dysfunctional, their roster's bad. There's value to it.
But Kansas City's got the best quarterback in the league
for the next ten years. So I mean that when
(10:51):
Lebron James went from the Miami Heat back to Dan
Gilbert in Cleveland, I talked to somebody in that billion
equity space. He said that was a four hundred million,
billion dollar day for Dan Gilbert, the Calves without Lebron,
even with Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell, Lebron changed that.
It was a paradigm shift economically for Cleveland. Literally, Ken
(11:14):
Griffey saved baseball in Seattle. Lebron James changed the economy.
Taylor Swift's tour, an example, made two point one billion dollars,
sold ten million tickets. That is double the next biggest
tour ever. So it's only big because of one reason,
(11:35):
the artist. So if you count, I mean, let's be honest,
if you bought a soccer franchise ten years ago and
Ronaldo had an eight year contract, it would make it
worth half a billion dollars. More So, I think the
Chiefs with Mahomes, that adds to me, that adds half
of somewhere between five hundred billion and a billion dollars.
They go from six billion to seven because of Mahomes. Well,
(11:58):
so that's the other piece of this.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
The other piece of this is if the if the
most valuable team in the NBA is now worth ten
billion dollars, what is the most valuable team in the
NFL worth is it fifteen billion?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Honestly, like, what is if this is the new because
you can't tell like as much as as big of
a brand as Lakers are. And I understand in the
NBA's new TV deal, I get all that there is
nothing that is the machine, that is the NFL. So
if the Lake, if we now have Lakers ten billion,
Celtic six billion, you know, as the metrics, then the
(12:41):
if forget the Cowboys. I'm trying to think of a
good you know, a good if the San Francisco forty
nine ers, yeah, were for sale, are they a ten
billion dollar franchise.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Caitlin Clark obviously a huge story in the controversy around it,
and I was thinking about it. I was pretty hard
on the WNBA when Caitlin Clark came in, and I thought, guys,
you can't open up with a New York Liberty and
the Connecticut Sun. You want to groove her into some wins,
because remember she went from the final four into camp
into playing she and the WNBA they probably knew she
(13:19):
would be good. They didn't think she'd quite be this good.
But it's getting to be a little bit like MJ
is that And they've done a better job this year.
They had an easier schedule they've put the games on television.
So the WNBA took a lot of heat, a lot
of heat, and Val Ackerman, the Commissioner's like, Okay, we
(13:40):
got ourselves a complete Taylor Swift and tennis shoes rock
star and they've done a much better job this year.
The officiating's not great, but the league's now just starting
to make real money now, right, So it's the officials
maybe the last part, you know, it's well.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, I wonder with that. And I don't know, I'm
not educated enough on this about what the high hierarchy
of officiating is. But obviously the best basketball officials in
the world or in the NBA want to officiate in
the NBA. That let's just I shouldn't say the world,
just let's just do the US. I assume the second best,
(14:16):
like men's college basketball. Well yeah, I would imagine the
third best might be women's college basketball because up until
recently that was a far bigger industry than the WNB,
like so has the And again I am just speculating here,
but is the WNBA simply not picking from the you know,
(14:38):
the are the people who are the best officials are like, well,
it's way better jobs in officiating than I get, I
assume that's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
They flew commercial airlines a year ago, and yeah, I
mean the NBA do in like the eighties, so it's
like it's it's just a different ballgame. But but I
was thinking about this, most of the time, the media
gets it right when it predicts an all time star.
In fact, I would argue, and I think people listening
(15:07):
to this would push back that we undersold Tiger. Nobody
thought Tiger was going to have the lowest scoring average ever,
was going to have the tied for the most career
wins ever, has the greatest earnings ever. Nobody, not even
Nike would have guessed that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
No, and within five years have the scoring record at
all four majors and the Tiger SLA you know, the
Tiger Slam. Yeah, nothing else. You're right, Tiger was Tiger.
Lebron Serena Lebron. I would argue all the all time
grades that turned into all time greats also actually kind
of exceeded.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Expectations most of the time. I think Bryce Harper at
sixteen was considered arguably the baseball prospect. Ever, he's turned
out eight time All Star, two time National League MVP,
three hundred and forty home runs plus that is a
If you would have said that when he was sixteen
on Sports Illustrate, he's gonna be an eight time All Star,
(16:07):
two time MVP, he'd be like, yeah, for the best
prospect ever that that that's that's in that elite class. Sure,
but I think Caitlin, Clark, Lebron and MJ I think
they're better. And I thought Caitlin was going to be good.
But Gino Ariema, Yukon's coach, came out and said, and
this guy knows basketball. He's he's the best recruiter in
(16:29):
the history of the sport. He's like, this idea is
she's gonna walk into the w NBA in christ No.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
But that was so here's the thing. All the Yukon
folks had, like the former the legendary Yukon players who
were then in media, and then Gino, they all kind of,
in my opinion, had a bias of Man, this was
(16:55):
supposed to be what everyone was saying about Paige Beckers
a year ago, but Page had blown out her knee
and she missed time and that and all of that,
and so they I think that they and they also
underestimated what a badass Clark was going to be. And
I think they also looked at it and said, well,
she's great and going to be great, but she's not
(17:18):
better than Brianna Stewart or Diana Torazzi, and they you know,
if they had a transition, she will do. And the
answer is she's a She is already one of the
four best players in the league. Oh yeah, she is
already uh an absolute and I say this in the
(17:39):
kindest words, an asshole on the court, like the way
you kind of need to They don't need to be,
but it's something people historically like in their athletes, like
a trash Larry Birder, Michael Jordan, a trash talker, you know,
hard ass. And she is already impacting way. I think
(18:00):
she has the best per game plus minus in the
league of everyone that's not on the New York Liberty Liberty.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Crossed ten years except so. The quality of WNBA play
in the last ten years has improved more than any
league anywhere. The players are the nutrition's better, the strength
is better. You go YouTube and WNBA game ten years ago,
they did not pass like this. Candace Parker ten years
ago led the league in assists at five and a
(18:28):
half a game a game. Not only is Caitlin Park
the best shooter, the best guard, the most influential, she's
also dealing nine assists per game. So what she's done
is she's really changed the tempo. She's doubling these all
time assist numbers or close to it, and giving you
(18:50):
threes and shooting nine feet beyond the arc. So, I mean,
as much as I liked her and I thought she
would be really good, I remember saying on the air,
she's gonna be She's gonna be really good, top ten players,
really fast. I don't think she'd beat this.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
No, I listen she I agree with you that I
do think she is and in contributing to winning exceeding expectations.
I also think that and maybe eventually will get there.
But there so much in my I don't know what
you said on the air about this today because I
(19:25):
missed it, but so much of the social media pearl
clutching of basically we need to protect Caitlin Clark, I
just think it's so. I think it's patronizing, and I
also think it fails to recognize this is, in my opinion,
(19:46):
the best case scenario.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
For the League.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
The fact that she is has this swagger that there
and Brew made this point, and I thought it was
a really good one. The fact that yesterday's altercasions primarily
happened with Caitlin against other white players was actually a
really nice thing because it removed any of the bullshit like,
(20:11):
oh do the are the black players don't like it? No,
you know who doesn't like Caitlyn Larry most of her opponents,
you know, you know who historically is not that popular
in sports, the young, awesome, swaggery, trash talking player. That
player usually has allies on their team and their fans.
(20:32):
And that's it got correct by doctor j everybody and
so and so that's awesome. Here's another thing that's awesome.
This is only gonna make Caitlin better and tougher and stronger.
That's great. The fact that it is hard and that
like because the idea, because some of Caitlyn's like, there's
(20:54):
a real lunatic fringe on the internet about this conversation,
and I hate doing in life. I don't actually really
think both sides are a problem. Very often in the
Caitlin Clark thing.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
It is both sides.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It is people on both ends of the spectrum are
out of their minds and the biggest Kaitlyn Vangel like
the leak. This is the league's cash count and if
they if they're not suspending these other players, she could
get hurt. Like, give me a break. It was a
light shove. She fell down. She's gonna be fine. The
Fever are gonna be in big games for a long time.
(21:30):
It is she is sustainably drawing eyeballs, and I do
think it is. Note while people pointed out correctly, oh man,
when she was out, the ratings dropped. The other piece
of this is the ratings dropped, but we're still higher
(21:50):
than pre Caitlin Clark WNBA, which means while yes, some
people are just showing up for her, some people showed
up for her and were like, oh, I like basketball,
and this is a pretty good product all stick around,
even if she's not there. At least some people did.
It's the best thing imaginable for the league. It's the
best thing imaginable for her, and it is for us.
(22:10):
You know, here in hockey ended last night. Basketball probably
ends tomorrow in the NBA. It'll be nice to have
like a captivating sports story for the summer other than baseball,
So I'm excited about it.
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Speaker 1 (23:46):
Okay, so I'm I feel vindicated, So I have been.
This has been one of my strongest NBA takes forever,
which is if you're under six' four in this league
and have the ball in your hands a, lot if
you cannot Shoot John, wall you Know, Westbrook Derek, Rose John,
morant you're gonna have to drive to the basket against
(24:08):
bigger players and you're going to get hurt more. Often
if You're Steve nash Or Steph curry and can, shoot
it can prolong your. Career you can do a you
know you don't have to, drive you get a lot
of no contact. Looks and my take On John morant, was,
YES i saw it was. SAID i thought he was
a poor Man's Dereck. Rose he's about fifteen pounds less
Than Derrick. Rose and you, KNOW i understand THE nba,
(24:31):
media he's a highlight. Player forget the maturity for a,
second which Is i'm never too hard on guys about.
Maturity i'm much tougher on football players because they're twenty
three and twenty four years. Old you bring twenty two year,
old you bring eighteen nineteen year old guys into THE, Nba,
okay they're gonna screw, up like the first couple of.
Years just just build in a really bad. Decision now
(24:53):
With jaw it was worse than. That but for, me
it wasn't the maturity stuff because he's a. Kid it Was,
okay he's wildly he's wildly. Entertaining he's an incredible highlight,
player but he's not an effective. Shooter and by the,
way the last several years it's gotten worse and he's
hurt more. So he has aged very. Quickly So i've
(25:15):
never been a fan of hyper athletic guards that aren't
particularly good. Shooters, Now westbrook was so athletic that he
could be a poor. Shooter and you, know he's bouncing
around the league, now but he either's just not a
lot Of westbrook's, historically And westbrook mostly is. Healthy he's
a sturdy he has a running. Back jaw's NOT i,
mean what's job one, eighty you, know one seventy, Eight
(25:38):
so he's. Spindily SO i just it's not THAT i
wasn't a. Fan he was a spectacular, talent BUT i
think everybody in the league Thought zion And jaw were
going to take it, over and it's going to Be
it's going to Be Bang caro And sga and these.
PLAYERS i, mean it's just it's just interesting how much
maturity and hard work, matters you, Know, Jada, sga Home.
(26:02):
GREN i, mean it's just like really, focused, driven aspirational.
Players AND i think it was just too, much too
soon form and he got banged. Up AND i Think,
memphis by the, trade is telling you we're going to start.
Over we're going to start and it's the right. Move
they can't. Compete we knew it this. Year it's the
right move By. MEMPHIS i actually like What memphis. Did
(26:24):
it's just they won't be very good for a couple of. Years.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah you, know we were talking about power earlier in
the one example of a guy who succeeded despite a
lack of power Is.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Steph.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah And steph is both a great shooter and someone
who has been consistently available to his team he's been.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Healthy.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah and the tricky thing with Like john's going to
be twenty six years old at the start of next,
season and he's just straight up not as good as
he was three years. Ago, like not as, good he's
just not as good as a bad at. Basketball, No and,
like this is the age twenty six to twenty seven
is typically the age when players, Peak Like tatum best
season of his career right at this, Age this is
(27:06):
the age when everyone seems to kind of figure it.
Out it's where it's kind of where like the meeting
point of the mental part of the game and the
physical part of the. Game and from this point forward
it's kind of like a trade. Off you get a little,
smarter a little more, skilled but you get a little less.
Athletic this is the, peak, right and, instead like his
scoring volume has like in twenty twenty, two takes his
team to within two wins of the conference. Finals he's
(27:27):
going head to head With steph talking shit to him
having such a great breakout playoff. Run and ever since,
then his scoring volume has dropped every season since that,
year his efficiency has gone. Down he just posted his
two lowest games played totals of his. Career in the
last two. Seasons he's played fewer games in the last
two years than he did three years ago. Combined like
(27:48):
it's a it's been a downward. Trajectory and so if
You're memphis and you're looking at, it you just got
four unprotected first round picks From. Orlando there's deal is some,
young exciting talent on the, roster some guys Like Gigi
jackson that are, Interesting Zach edy that's. Interesting they have
guys in house that they can continue to develop and be.
(28:10):
Fun but they can bring in a massive trove of
draft picks by Trading morant And bain and just doing
a full. Pivot not to Mention Jaron, jackson WHO i
think carries a great deal of value somewhere around the,
league and SO i look at it as like a
basically it's a turning point For John. Rant you either
got to commit to him or you've got to get
off the, ship and the trade is a clear sign
(28:30):
that they're going to get off the. Ship not to
mention like they might look to TRADE. KCP i wouldn't
be surprised IF kcp gets moved to a contender at
some point in the next. SEASON i think it's Just
memphis looking at their situation and going, like we're sick
of being in this.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Business it's So jaw is such a cautionary tale when
you look at at big stars that explode and then
and then fall off and don't eventually rise to the.
Level it's always kind of a maturity. Thing it's almost
always that like you just couldn't handle the, spot Like
zion couldn't handle his. Weight wasn't it terribly focused? Player
(29:04):
ZION i thought was a tremendously just massive. Torque there's
just nothing like. HIM i Thought joe was. Spectacular BUT
i think it's it's one of the REASONS i like
nil as kids are going to stay in college and
they're going to be surrounded by non basketball players and
they're gonna be coached, hard and they'll go to class
and it's like it's a it's a big broad life
(29:26):
beyond just basketball and A g. League SO i think
i've And i've talked about this multiple. TIMES i Think
nil's were going to help THE nba and college, basketball
and you're going to get more. Guys The auburn player
WHO J mack. Loves auburn's got a guard that's. Explosive
he's coming back To. Auburn he could play in THE.
Nba it'll make him a BETTER nba player and a
(29:47):
great college. Player so and some of These european guys
now are coming over to college. Basketball SO i think
the coaching in college basketball has always been, excellent sometimes
almost two, dogmatic, right like it's just so coach. Oriented
BUT i look At jaw AND i think the story
Of jaw is a little too much too, soon and
(30:08):
just wasn't quite ready for the. STAGE i, mean there
was a moment in time where you, thought for about
a year maybe, two you're, like, oh he's gonna be
the face of the. LEAGUE i mean that that was
about three years, ago and then it all just, unraveled
AND i don't think we need to face the. LEAGUE
(30:31):
i thought he for a while looked like. It he
just wasn't ready for. It it's a lot to ask
and he wasn't ready for.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
It, yeah you know what happens in this. League it's
success is so short lived because people are coming for.
You you, Know Like jannis looks like he climbs the
mountaintop in twenty twenty, one looks like he's gonna launch
this New, nope here Comes. Joki yeah he's the. Problem
it's Like jaw looks like he's about to climb the
mountaintop in twenty twenty. Two shay And ant have both
lacked him since they've kind of reached their their collective.
(31:01):
Ceilings and LIKE i, think you, KNOW i do believe
In John. MORANT i do he has a supreme athletic
trait in the ability to get. Downhill he actually is
an underrated shot maker close to the rim in terms
of like his floater and like little short. STUFF i
do think there's somebody that should probably consider taking a
(31:21):
bet on him or a chance on. Him AS i look.
Around you, know we're gonna talk ABOUT kd here in a,
second AND kd as we're gonna talk about it in
more detailer in a. Second but The athletic is reporting
That katie is preferring The, spurs which we'll get to
in a, minute but Like, houston If houston can't GET, Kd,
like would they consider a guy Like John? Morant is
(31:42):
there a team out there that has the that's in
a tough position that can afford to take that kind of,
risk maybe A sacramento a team that's been kind of
stuck in, Mediocrity like is there a team out there
that is willing to take a risk on a guy like?
Him BECAUSE i do think the upside is their. Calling
Like i've seen a lot of stuff over the last
couple of days ranking him at various points in the,
(32:04):
league AND i do think when he's, healthy he's still
like a right around the fourteenth or fifteenth best player
in THE nba because no one can keep him in.
Front he is an extremely talented. Player that's the frustrating
part is that it hasn't come. Together BUT i do
think that there's some somebody out there that's going to
take a chance on. Him but, ultimately whether or not
it works out is going to be whether or Not
(32:25):
jaw actually makes the changes that he needs, To, like
you got to, improve like you have to develop as
a jump shooter to take it easier on your. Legs
if he develops as a jump, shooter it will make
his downhill drives more dynamic and less, frequent which will
help him stay healthier and available to his. Team there
is a real upside, there he just hasn't been able
to capitalize on. It But, colin what are your thoughts
(32:48):
on the report That Kevin durant prefers The. SPURS i
was not a huge fan of this. Fit we were
talking last week about How wemby being very, thin kd
being very, thin even Deeron. Fox he's super fast, guard
but he's not a power. Player not a lot of
power on that. Roster, colin what are your thoughts On
katie potentially going to The.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Spurs, WELL i, mean to, Me Wembin yama And Stefan
castle are the. Team like that's nothing against De aaron And,
Vassal BUT i think those two guys are all, stars
one of them ALL nba so AND i think they're
just getting better. FAST i Think i'm always cautious to
(33:30):
Say Kevin durant doesn't fit. ANYWHERE i think he fits.
Everywhere like my Wife osa, says like salt works with,
everything like like like my son was a. Chef my stepson's, like, Yeah,
Bacon grease And butter work with everything That's Kevin. Durant,
like you can just find a spot for a guy
(33:51):
who's the best jump shooter at any given juncture in the.
League so AND i also Think kevin just kind of
figures it. Out you, KNOW i don't always like his
decision making on, teams but even In, brooklyn he was
the one THING i liked about. It he was the one.
THING i mean In, arizona In, phoenix it Was Bradley
(34:15):
beale that drove us. Nuts Kevin durant was giving me
twenty six and twenty. Seven i'm not disappointed with. Him
i've been disappointed with you, know his like team, selection
BUT i just kind of feel like he's water like
he just he just kind of floats and finds his
level AND i think he'll fit. Anywhere AND i also
(34:38):
think you've got really smart Between Chris paul and De Aaron.
Fox you, know you have good guiters on that, team
like really smart, guys and you can be a really
flawed team if you're. Intelligent we've talked about The Miami
heat like one of the smartest teams in league. History
it's Like Alan, Lebron, Wade, Bosh battie A. Haslam it's
(35:00):
like she's high. Functioning they didn't have a. Center chalmers
drove everybody. Crazy wade And lebron kind of had duplicate,
games and you're, like, yeah they got the four straight,
finals like they just figured shit out. Right AND i
kind of feel like if you Put wemby and and
It's fox and it's, uh you'd have to move. OFF
(35:22):
i Think Harrison barnes we talked about. BEFORE i think
it was the BUT i MEAN i just Think kadi would.
WORK i think it would just. WORK i think. IT
i Think houston needs him. More BUT i MEAN i
think he looks At houston and, thinks all, right like Like. Sangoon,
YEAH i Mean thompson is he a great offensive, player
(35:45):
yet he's more of an athlete defensive. PLAYER i don't.
KNOW i Think katie's smart and looks at it and just, thinks,
MAN i could have bad shooting nights and we could
score one twenty eight In San. Antonio LIKE i think
that's how he looks at. It Maybe i'm, wrong you, KNOW.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I want to be clear just BECAUSE i say it's
not my favorite fit doesn't mean it can't. Work Like
i'm a big believer in don't overthink things like don't
Overthink Kevin durant next To Victor wembinyama And Darren, fox
like they're gonna score a lot of points and they're
gonna be able to to get a certain number of.
Stops THERE'S i there is you were just talking about
(36:24):
With Desmond. Bain there's a reason Why Desmond baine's shooting
is so incredibly valuable in The orlando context on a
team that not only doesn't have a guy who can
make jump, shots but doesn't have a guy who can
make jump shots off the. Move so it's uniquely super
valuable to that. TEAM kd anchored by the physicality Of.
HOUSTON i like the kind of like force multiplier effect
(36:46):
he could have. There that, said even in the context
Of San, antonio he's obviously a massive. Upgrade he's obviously
gonna make them way. Better there's even like some interesting
stuff you could look at in the big. PICTURE kd
is like probably the best shooting workout guy in the
league to Pair victor Webbin yama. With he's legendary for
(37:07):
the quality of his shooting, workouts him going game, speed
him working on shots that are specifically available IN nba
games off of certain. Actions katie is like a legend
in his workouts off the. Floor wemby's going to be
doing all those workouts with, him you know he, Is
and it would lead to a certain development in terms
Of wemby's big picture. Health but it looks to me
(37:29):
more like less of a immediate contender juggernaut and more
of like kind of a fun place For katie to
end his career right go hand in hand In.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Wemby that's WHAT i. THINK i Think katy looks at
it and thinks this would be. Fun is that it
wouldn't BE i wouldn't have to drop twenty eight, points
would come. Easy AND i Think katie looks at it and, thinks,
okay Dearon. Fox you Know, wemby the structure of the.
Organization they draft smart, players they don't draft a lot of,
(37:59):
ego they don't draft a lot of. DUMMIES i Think
katie looks at himself and, Thinks, Okay houston's got. This
there's a lot of stuff In houston That i'm not
sure it's ever gonna be great in the. Playoffs it's
a lot of hyper athleticism and length and running AND
i and that's. Fun BUT i don't think at this
point he wants to be a, mentor right LIKE i
(38:20):
think he wants to. GO i Think i'll have some
fun and play with really smart, players highly functional, players
and all put the pressure on me to figure out
WHERE i, fit you, know like they don't need. HIM
i Think houston needs. HIM i think The knicks could
really use. Him SO i, think you, KNOW i think
FOR kd it IS i think it's. Perfect that would be.
(38:42):
Fun it would be fun for, him AND i think
it would be fun for.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Us it falls in line with the same ideology that
led him To Golden. State you, Know like to your,
POINT kd could win a title In, houston but it
would be a chore and offense would very. Difficult he'd
be facing crazy Looks, now the flip side of that
is he wouldn't have to be the same statistical monster
(39:08):
In houston that he would be in other situations Because
houston's defense is so good that he would just need
to basically lift them over the top on the offensive
end of the. Floor but there is something to be
said about basketball is more fun when the ball's moving
around and you're playing with more offensive skill when you
like Kd if there's one weakness at this point in his,
career he doesn't pressure the rim a Ton well Dearon
(39:29):
fox sure as hell. Does so like he's going to
get to play off of those advantages and play off
the ball like there is A kadi has told us
to our faces exactly who he is for. Years he loves,
basketball and he wants to play a fun brand of basketball's.
Right and so even if we look on it and
add it on paper and, go, Oh, houston, big, strong physical,
(39:49):
team they can anchor him with. Defense Emy udoka is
not the best offensive coach in the. World that team
doesn't have a lot offensive. Talent it Would it would
be a lot Like Oklahoma city in twenty. Sixteen And
i'm thinking he looks at that and, goes, Oh i'd
rather play, fun free flowing basketball with some more talented offensive.
Players and so with that being the, CASE i Mean
San antonio is going to be a really interesting team
(40:10):
if they pulled something like this. Off all of a,
sudden a guy Like Jeremy sohan becomes super important because
he'd have to be such a defensive anchor for them
in terms of size and. Strength Stefan castle obviously defensively
as a, guard would have to do a lot of that. Work,
Again i'm not sure THAT i would view That spurs
team as exceptionally. Dangerous but what a fun way For
(40:31):
wemby to start his career and what a fun way
For katie to end his.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Career, WELL i think Also katie looks At lebron and
Thinks lebron's always figured it. Out Is lebron doesn't want
to do a lot of the dirty. Work like if
he went To, Houston katie'd have to do some of
the dirty. Work he'd be, like he'd be Like steph
And Golden, state where it's, like, Oh steph plays, poorly
that's the narrative when they, lose it's Not Jimmy butler
And steph In. Houston very quickly he would be because
(40:57):
Because Jalen green's a hot and cold, shooter and very
quickly If houston, loses it's, like, Well, katie you, know
an off shooting, night.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
We traded for. Him he was supposed to save.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Us that's, Right and it's just not the case In San,
antonio he'll be Part AND i do think as players get,
older they're looking for, fit and you, know it's it's
And i'm okay with. THAT i think As i've, Aged
i've always liked. Fit it's it's just fun to be
part of a, group a mix of young and. Old
(41:28):
but you don't want to be a, mentor LIKE i
just don't Think. Katie at this, POINT i think fun
is a really interesting word Because kyrie is fun to play.
With that's why he went, there And Golden state no
longer because of. Relationships wasn't he wasn't having a good.
Time he was, winning and so, Yeah i'm okay with.
(41:48):
It he's had a he's had an all time. Career
he's a different. Cat But i've you, Know i've come
to terms with not everybody is the. SAME i really do, think,
though what you're seeing right now in THE, NBA i
really like AND i know we don't have a super,
team but it's becoming like THE. Nfl it's a VERY
gm driven, League like the smart gms are gonna. WIN
(42:11):
a lot of them are in The west and they
have been for thirty. Years that's why The west is
overwhelmingly top to, bottom always deeper than The. East you
just have more good owners and more good. Gms and
the other thing, IS i think what we've really seen
this there's a lot of maturity in the league right,
Now Like indiana And Oklahoma. CITY i, mean these are grinding.
(42:33):
OUTFITS i MEAN i Think indiana plays pretty good. DEFENSE
i mean, again juxtaposition With okac jecktposed to, that, well
it doesn't look the. Same but there was a in
the second quarter in this, GAME i was, Like, God
india has given them. Problems SO i JUST i think
the league right now it went through a cycle where
it felt kind of you had old stars and two
(42:56):
young guys like you, know and you had These jaws
and these it's like they're just not. READY i just
feel like we've got this group Of halliburton AND sga
And Jalen williams and and it's just like really Good,
tatum really good young, players totally dedicated to the, league
(43:16):
and fewer and fewer old guys are. Relevant AND i
think IT'S i don't it may not get, ratings BUT
I I'M i really, like okay see In, Indiana LIKE
i really respect top to bottom both. Organizations the volume
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We get nick right for an hour and it's a
news breaking day. The Lakers just sold for a ten
billion dollar evaluation, which I believed for a long time. Nick,
all these sports franchises are undervalued. Whenever they say, you know,
the Cowboys are worth seven billion dollars. My take is
if somebody in Saudi Arabia had a good month with oil,
(01:32):
they buy him for thirteen billion. Because you don't know
if Google is going to be around in twenty years
or Microsoft. You know the Dallas Cowboys are going to
be around in twenty years. In fact, I remember reading
a story years and years ago they went back to
like nineteen eighty and they took the thirty leading companies
on the Dow Jones, and twenty five years later only
one was still like a really it was like Chevron
(01:55):
or something. And so my point is the Mark Walters
group is the Dodger owner. It's a really good group.
And it does make me think, Okay, the mom and
pop Lakers are over, because that's been the big knock
in LA is that. I mean, people forget little old
Van Gilbert could buy the Bus family four times. They've
been one of the poorest NBA ownership groups.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Correct, and one of the poorest from a net worth perspective,
and I would argue that they haven't. They have been
one of the more poorly run organizations in the league.
And I know that's weird because they have the second
most championships and they just got Luke and Lebron went there.
But I think that they have squandered a lot of opportunities.
(02:42):
I think that since doctor Bus passed, they have There
are very few things you can say the Lakers do
top notch in the league. And while they have been
you know, willing to spend, I think they've you know,
last decade, they've spent like the seventh most money they
should be the seventh most for Los Angeles Lakers. Is
(03:03):
not maximizing the market and the brand. I understand, it's
not baseball, so there is a cap. And in the
new NBA with the aprons, just spending recklessly can really
hamstring you. But this is a massive net positive for
the Los Angeles Lakers, for their fans. In my opinion,
you should not have. They're in a weird spot where,
(03:26):
similar to the Cowboys, where ownership's primary source of income
is the team, and that's one of the reasons I
think the Cowboys don't necessarily spend the way they should.
And that's how I have felt about the Lakers. So listen,
I don't know much about Mark Walters. I know that
he bought twenty six percent of the team from I
(03:47):
think A Shoots or whomever with the guarantee. Part of
that was if the buses sell, I get the first opportunity,
and now he's in. Now I agree agree with you.
Historically sports franchises have been undervalued. I wonder if we
are now getting to wear ten billions, ten billion dollars
(04:09):
kind of like, that's a lot thing about this money.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So the the Celtics sold for six billion. The GDP
of Boston, the gross domestic product is six hundred million annually.
It's a trillion in Los Angeles. The Los Angeles economy
would be the twentieth biggest economy in the world, meaning
it would be bigger than about one hundred and eighty
five countries.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So and so, and they own the the Lakers own
their arena, so that's an importance. So like you just
if the arena's worth two billion, given where it is
in the real estate and whatever. So now it's not
six versus ten at six versus eight. And you take
the fact that LA's a bigger market, and you know,
as much as this will pain our buddy Bill Simmons,
(04:54):
the Lakers are the biggest brand ambasketball.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Like Celtics were in the finals two years ago, it
didn't get good rating, It didn't get a number D.
I mean when the Lakers are in the final, regardless
of who the star is, it generally gets a much
bigger rating.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, yes, it's also true the Lakers have never been
in the finals without one of the biggest stars in
the Lawler. Well, that's a lot of like, oh that
Lakers time they made the finals with that scrappy, underachieving team. No,
it's Lebron or Kobe or Shacker, Magic or Kareem or Will.
But still your point stands. Yeah, no, they are the
the This is a fun one because you did your
(05:31):
Mount what was it, Mount just just more because they're
just more than everyone else. If we were to do
God this is this is corny and make funnable content.
It also, I'm sure will crush on TikTok or something.
If we were to do the Mount rushmore franchises in
(05:55):
American Force.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Four.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
To me, there are three no brainers and then people
would argue about the four fourth. But the three no
brainers are the New York Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys, and
the Los Angeles Lakers. Those to me, do you think
I'm missing anything there? I think those are the three
brands that are truly every corner of the world. They're
(06:26):
you know, somebody's walking around wearing a T shirt even
if they've never heard of the team.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, I think I will say this. I think the
LA Dodgers because of the Walters Group, perfect spring, summer,
fall weather, O tawny. Now is you know Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
(06:52):
Dodger games are now an event. There are fans from
the Pacific Rim. Every home game owed attendance for the
Dodgers is number one in the league. They played the Yankees,
I think it was last year if I like twenty
five percent of the crowd was Dodger fans. They travel
incredibly well. I think the Dodgers over the last eight
(07:12):
since they've been purchased from the Mark Walters Group, I
think they have become and I'm and I mean this,
I think they're a step ahead of the Yankees. They
don't have all the pennants, they don't have all the titles,
but this ownership group is much more It's got deeper pockets.
(07:33):
It's more aggressive. I mean the way they are pushing
contracts down the road. They are a revolutionary fans as,
but they're not a bigger brand than the New York Games.
I think they're getting close. I think Otawni changes it.
I really do. Well.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
If the idea is like Otani brings in and a
whole similar to Iron stand why I think he brings
in the Pacific Round Like what yeah, like what Yao
Ming did for the Houston Rockets. We're all of a sudden,
it's like you have this whole new market. But if so,
the because I really maybe eventually the Dodgers get there.
(08:08):
If Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers is the three the teams across
sports competing for that fourth spot, Dodgers definitely are in
the contention. The Celtics are the Warriors, No, probably not,
because that's good. The Warriors are like the Chiefs in
that it's the super nova of the moment in Mahomes
(08:30):
or Steph Curry, But they don't have a history to
where they're this big brand. So do you think you
think the Dodgers now have surpassed the Cubs. Yes, as
the second biggest.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Brands in base Yes, okay, because again, remember Chicago wanted
the Olympics. Why couldn't they get them? Because they were
not considered a global city. They were considered maybe are
They're like, Chicago has won Best North American City seven
years in a row from Conde nas Texture. It's an
(09:01):
unbelievable city, but it's not viewed as an international city.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
D C.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
San Francisco, LA, New York. Boston similarly is not necessarily seen.
It's seen as kind of parential for prudential parochial. So
I think they've surfaced. And the Cubs, the Ricketts family,
which by the way, they live about five minutes from
where I'm sitting right now, they are it seats thirty
six thousand. Their revenues just don't. They're not close. They're
(09:29):
just not close anymore so. And I think the Cubs
are historic and they matter domestically, but I don't think
they pull a big number for that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That might be right, and it also might be a
lot of the benefit of the Cubs win away or
benefits their own word, but brand recognition for lack of
better term of the Cubs had to do with if
you're a millennial when you were growing up with like
basic cable, for some reason, you got the Cubs games
(10:01):
because of WGN, so you could like watch your team
and the Cubs, and so they had that and now
people can watch whatever teams they want. I just saw
the who do you sorry for this slight detour, but
after the Cowboys, what do you think the biggest brand
in football is? Like, I hesitate in the moment, it's
(10:21):
obviously the Chiefs, but you wonder, like if Mahomes retired,
like's an interesting everyone if nobody cares if you bought.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
The Chiefs today, well you would have to consider Andy
Reid and Patrick Mahomes part of the buye. So this idea, Well,
the brand, what is the brand right now? Jerry Jones
is eighty, They're dysfunctional, their roster's bad. There's value to it.
But Kansas City's got the best quarterback in the league
for the next ten years. So I mean that when
(10:51):
Lebron James went from the Miami Heat back to Dan
Gilbert in Cleveland, I talked to somebody in that billion
equity space. He said that was a four hundred million,
billion dollar day for Dan Gilbert, the Calves without Lebron,
even with Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell, Lebron changed that.
It was a paradigm shift economically for Cleveland. Literally, Ken
(11:14):
Griffey saved baseball in Seattle. Lebron James changed the economy.
Taylor Swift's tour, an example, made two point one billion dollars,
sold ten million tickets. That is double the next biggest
tour ever. So it's only big because of one reason,
(11:35):
the artist. So if you count, I mean, let's be honest,
if you bought a soccer franchise ten years ago and
Ronaldo had an eight year contract, it would make it
worth half a billion dollars. More So, I think the
Chiefs with Mahomes, that adds to me, that adds half
of somewhere between five hundred billion and a billion dollars.
They go from six billion to seven because of Mahomes. Well,
(11:58):
so that's the other piece of this.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
The other piece of this is if the if the
most valuable team in the NBA is now worth ten
billion dollars, what is the most valuable team in the
NFL worth is it fifteen billion?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Honestly, like, what is if this is the new because
you can't tell like as much as as big of
a brand as Lakers are. And I understand in the
NBA's new TV deal, I get all that there is
nothing that is the machine, that is the NFL. So
if the Lake, if we now have Lakers ten billion,
Celtic six billion, you know, as the metrics, then the
(12:41):
if forget the Cowboys. I'm trying to think of a
good you know, a good if the San Francisco forty
nine ers, yeah, were for sale, are they a ten
billion dollar franchise.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Caitlin Clark obviously a huge story in the controversy around it,
and I was thinking about it. I was pretty hard
on the WNBA when Caitlin Clark came in, and I thought, guys,
you can't open up with a New York Liberty and
the Connecticut Sun. You want to groove her into some wins,
because remember she went from the final four into camp
into playing she and the WNBA they probably knew she
(13:19):
would be good. They didn't think she'd quite be this good.
But it's getting to be a little bit like MJ
is that And they've done a better job this year.
They had an easier schedule they've put the games on television.
So the WNBA took a lot of heat, a lot
of heat, and Val Ackerman, the Commissioner's like, Okay, we
(13:40):
got ourselves a complete Taylor Swift and tennis shoes rock
star and they've done a much better job this year.
The officiating's not great, but the league's now just starting
to make real money now, right, So it's the officials
maybe the last part, you know, it's well.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, I wonder with that. And I don't know, I'm
not educated enough on this about what the high hierarchy
of officiating is. But obviously the best basketball officials in
the world or in the NBA want to officiate in
the NBA. That let's just I shouldn't say the world,
just let's just do the US. I assume the second best,
(14:16):
like men's college basketball. Well yeah, I would imagine the
third best might be women's college basketball because up until
recently that was a far bigger industry than the WNB,
like so has the And again I am just speculating here,
but is the WNBA simply not picking from the you know,
(14:38):
the are the people who are the best officials are like, well,
it's way better jobs in officiating than I get, I
assume that's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
They flew commercial airlines a year ago, and yeah, I
mean the NBA do in like the eighties, so it's
like it's it's just a different ballgame. But but I
was thinking about this, most of the time, the media
gets it right when it predicts an all time star.
In fact, I would argue, and I think people listening
(15:07):
to this would push back that we undersold Tiger. Nobody
thought Tiger was going to have the lowest scoring average ever,
was going to have the tied for the most career
wins ever, has the greatest earnings ever. Nobody, not even
Nike would have guessed that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
No, and within five years have the scoring record at
all four majors and the Tiger SLA you know, the
Tiger Slam. Yeah, nothing else. You're right, Tiger was Tiger.
Lebron Serena Lebron. I would argue all the all time
grades that turned into all time greats also actually kind
of exceeded.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Expectations most of the time. I think Bryce Harper at
sixteen was considered arguably the baseball prospect. Ever, he's turned
out eight time All Star, two time National League MVP,
three hundred and forty home runs plus that is a
If you would have said that when he was sixteen
on Sports Illustrate, he's gonna be an eight time All Star,
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two time MVP, he'd be like, yeah, for the best
prospect ever that that that's that's in that elite class. Sure,
but I think Caitlin, Clark, Lebron and MJ I think
they're better. And I thought Caitlin was going to be good.
But Gino Ariema, Yukon's coach, came out and said, and
this guy knows basketball. He's he's the best recruiter in
(16:29):
the history of the sport. He's like, this idea is
she's gonna walk into the w NBA in christ No.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
But that was so here's the thing. All the Yukon
folks had, like the former the legendary Yukon players who
were then in media, and then Gino, they all kind of,
in my opinion, had a bias of Man, this was
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supposed to be what everyone was saying about Paige Beckers
a year ago, but Page had blown out her knee
and she missed time and that and all of that,
and so they I think that they and they also
underestimated what a badass Clark was going to be. And
I think they also looked at it and said, well,
she's great and going to be great, but she's not
(17:18):
better than Brianna Stewart or Diana Torazzi, and they you know,
if they had a transition, she will do. And the
answer is she's a She is already one of the
four best players in the league. Oh yeah, she is
already uh an absolute and I say this in the
(17:39):
kindest words, an asshole on the court, like the way
you kind of need to They don't need to be,
but it's something people historically like in their athletes, like
a trash Larry Birder, Michael Jordan, a trash talker, you know,
hard ass. And she is already impacting way. I think
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she has the best per game plus minus in the
league of everyone that's not on the New York Liberty Liberty.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Crossed ten years except so. The quality of WNBA play
in the last ten years has improved more than any
league anywhere. The players are the nutrition's better, the strength
is better. You go YouTube and WNBA game ten years ago,
they did not pass like this. Candace Parker ten years
ago led the league in assists at five and a
(18:28):
half a game a game. Not only is Caitlin Park
the best shooter, the best guard, the most influential, she's
also dealing nine assists per game. So what she's done
is she's really changed the tempo. She's doubling these all
time assist numbers or close to it, and giving you
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threes and shooting nine feet beyond the arc. So, I mean,
as much as I liked her and I thought she
would be really good, I remember saying on the air,
she's gonna be She's gonna be really good, top ten players,
really fast. I don't think she'd beat this.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
No, I listen she I agree with you that I
do think she is and in contributing to winning exceeding expectations.
I also think that and maybe eventually will get there.
But there so much in my I don't know what
you said on the air about this today because I
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missed it, but so much of the social media pearl
clutching of basically we need to protect Caitlin Clark, I
just think it's so. I think it's patronizing, and I
also think it fails to recognize this is, in my opinion,
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the best case scenario.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
For the League.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
The fact that she is has this swagger that there
and Brew made this point, and I thought it was
a really good one. The fact that yesterday's altercasions primarily
happened with Caitlin against other white players was actually a
really nice thing because it removed any of the bullshit like,
(20:11):
oh do the are the black players don't like it? No,
you know who doesn't like Caitlyn Larry most of her opponents,
you know, you know who historically is not that popular
in sports, the young, awesome, swaggery, trash talking player. That
player usually has allies on their team and their fans.
(20:32):
And that's it got correct by doctor j everybody and
so and so that's awesome. Here's another thing that's awesome.
This is only gonna make Caitlin better and tougher and stronger.
That's great. The fact that it is hard and that
like because the idea, because some of Caitlyn's like, there's
(20:54):
a real lunatic fringe on the internet about this conversation,
and I hate doing in life. I don't actually really
think both sides are a problem. Very often in the
Caitlin Clark thing.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
It is both sides.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It is people on both ends of the spectrum are
out of their minds and the biggest Kaitlyn Vangel like
the leak. This is the league's cash count and if
they if they're not suspending these other players, she could
get hurt. Like, give me a break. It was a
light shove. She fell down. She's gonna be fine. The
Fever are gonna be in big games for a long time.
(21:30):
It is she is sustainably drawing eyeballs, and I do
think it is. Note while people pointed out correctly, oh man,
when she was out, the ratings dropped. The other piece
of this is the ratings dropped, but we're still higher
(21:50):
than pre Caitlin Clark WNBA, which means while yes, some
people are just showing up for her, some people showed
up for her and were like, oh, I like basketball,
and this is a pretty good product all stick around,
even if she's not there. At least some people did.
It's the best thing imaginable for the league. It's the
best thing imaginable for her, and it is for us.
(22:10):
You know, here in hockey ended last night. Basketball probably
ends tomorrow in the NBA. It'll be nice to have
like a captivating sports story for the summer other than baseball,
So I'm excited about it.
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Speaker 1 (23:46):
Okay, so I'm I feel vindicated, So I have been.
This has been one of my strongest NBA takes forever,
which is if you're under six' four in this league
and have the ball in your hands a, lot if
you cannot Shoot John, wall you Know, Westbrook Derek, Rose John,
morant you're gonna have to drive to the basket against
(24:08):
bigger players and you're going to get hurt more. Often
if You're Steve nash Or Steph curry and can, shoot
it can prolong your. Career you can do a you
know you don't have to, drive you get a lot
of no contact. Looks and my take On John morant, was,
YES i saw it was. SAID i thought he was
a poor Man's Dereck. Rose he's about fifteen pounds less
Than Derrick. Rose and you, KNOW i understand THE nba,
(24:31):
media he's a highlight. Player forget the maturity for a,
second which Is i'm never too hard on guys about.
Maturity i'm much tougher on football players because they're twenty
three and twenty four years. Old you bring twenty two year,
old you bring eighteen nineteen year old guys into THE, Nba,
okay they're gonna screw, up like the first couple of.
Years just just build in a really bad. Decision now
(24:53):
With jaw it was worse than. That but for, me
it wasn't the maturity stuff because he's a. Kid it Was,
okay he's wildly he's wildly. Entertaining he's an incredible highlight,
player but he's not an effective. Shooter and by the,
way the last several years it's gotten worse and he's
hurt more. So he has aged very. Quickly So i've
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never been a fan of hyper athletic guards that aren't
particularly good. Shooters, Now westbrook was so athletic that he
could be a poor. Shooter and you, know he's bouncing
around the league, now but he either's just not a
lot Of westbrook's, historically And westbrook mostly is. Healthy he's
a sturdy he has a running. Back jaw's NOT i,
mean what's job one, eighty you, know one seventy, Eight
(25:38):
so he's. Spindily SO i just it's not THAT i
wasn't a. Fan he was a spectacular, talent BUT i
think everybody in the league Thought zion And jaw were
going to take it, over and it's going to Be
it's going to Be Bang caro And sga and these.
PLAYERS i, mean it's just it's just interesting how much
maturity and hard work, matters you, Know, Jada, sga Home.
(26:02):
GREN i, mean it's just like really, focused, driven aspirational.
Players AND i think it was just too, much too
soon form and he got banged. Up AND i Think,
memphis by the, trade is telling you we're going to start.
Over we're going to start and it's the right. Move
they can't. Compete we knew it this. Year it's the
right move By. MEMPHIS i actually like What memphis. Did
(26:24):
it's just they won't be very good for a couple of. Years.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah you, know we were talking about power earlier in
the one example of a guy who succeeded despite a
lack of power Is.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Steph.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah And steph is both a great shooter and someone
who has been consistently available to his team he's been.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Healthy.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah and the tricky thing with Like john's going to
be twenty six years old at the start of next,
season and he's just straight up not as good as
he was three years. Ago, like not as, good he's
just not as good as a bad at. Basketball, No and,
like this is the age twenty six to twenty seven
is typically the age when players, Peak Like tatum best
season of his career right at this, Age this is
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the age when everyone seems to kind of figure it.
Out it's where it's kind of where like the meeting
point of the mental part of the game and the
physical part of the. Game and from this point forward
it's kind of like a trade. Off you get a little,
smarter a little more, skilled but you get a little less.
Athletic this is the, peak, right and, instead like his
scoring volume has like in twenty twenty, two takes his
team to within two wins of the conference. Finals he's
(27:27):
going head to head With steph talking shit to him
having such a great breakout playoff. Run and ever since,
then his scoring volume has dropped every season since that,
year his efficiency has gone. Down he just posted his
two lowest games played totals of his. Career in the
last two. Seasons he's played fewer games in the last
two years than he did three years ago. Combined like
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it's a it's been a downward. Trajectory and so if
You're memphis and you're looking at, it you just got
four unprotected first round picks From. Orlando there's deal is some,
young exciting talent on the, roster some guys Like Gigi
jackson that are, Interesting Zach edy that's. Interesting they have
guys in house that they can continue to develop and be.
(28:10):
Fun but they can bring in a massive trove of
draft picks by Trading morant And bain and just doing
a full. Pivot not to Mention Jaron, jackson WHO i
think carries a great deal of value somewhere around the,
league and SO i look at it as like a
basically it's a turning point For John. Rant you either
got to commit to him or you've got to get
off the, ship and the trade is a clear sign
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that they're going to get off the. Ship not to
mention like they might look to TRADE. KCP i wouldn't
be surprised IF kcp gets moved to a contender at
some point in the next. SEASON i think it's Just
memphis looking at their situation and going, like we're sick
of being in this.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Business it's So jaw is such a cautionary tale when
you look at at big stars that explode and then
and then fall off and don't eventually rise to the.
Level it's always kind of a maturity. Thing it's almost
always that like you just couldn't handle the, spot Like
zion couldn't handle his. Weight wasn't it terribly focused? Player
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ZION i thought was a tremendously just massive. Torque there's
just nothing like. HIM i Thought joe was. Spectacular BUT
i think it's it's one of the REASONS i like
nil as kids are going to stay in college and
they're going to be surrounded by non basketball players and
they're gonna be coached, hard and they'll go to class
and it's like it's a it's a big broad life
(29:26):
beyond just basketball and A g. League SO i think
i've And i've talked about this multiple. TIMES i Think
nil's were going to help THE nba and college, basketball
and you're going to get more. Guys The auburn player
WHO J mack. Loves auburn's got a guard that's. Explosive
he's coming back To. Auburn he could play in THE.
Nba it'll make him a BETTER nba player and a
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great college. Player so and some of These european guys
now are coming over to college. Basketball SO i think
the coaching in college basketball has always been, excellent sometimes
almost two, dogmatic, right like it's just so coach. Oriented
BUT i look At jaw AND i think the story
Of jaw is a little too much too, soon and
(30:08):
just wasn't quite ready for the. STAGE i, mean there
was a moment in time where you, thought for about
a year maybe, two you're, like, oh he's gonna be
the face of the. LEAGUE i mean that that was
about three years, ago and then it all just, unraveled
AND i don't think we need to face the. LEAGUE
(30:31):
i thought he for a while looked like. It he
just wasn't ready for. It it's a lot to ask
and he wasn't ready for.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
It, yeah you know what happens in this. League it's
success is so short lived because people are coming for.
You you, Know Like jannis looks like he climbs the
mountaintop in twenty twenty, one looks like he's gonna launch
this New, nope here Comes. Joki yeah he's the. Problem
it's Like jaw looks like he's about to climb the
mountaintop in twenty twenty. Two shay And ant have both
lacked him since they've kind of reached their their collective.
(31:01):
Ceilings and LIKE i, think you, KNOW i do believe
In John. MORANT i do he has a supreme athletic
trait in the ability to get. Downhill he actually is
an underrated shot maker close to the rim in terms
of like his floater and like little short. STUFF i
do think there's somebody that should probably consider taking a
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bet on him or a chance on. Him AS i look.
Around you, know we're gonna talk ABOUT kd here in a,
second AND kd as we're gonna talk about it in
more detailer in a. Second but The athletic is reporting
That katie is preferring The, spurs which we'll get to
in a, minute but Like, houston If houston can't GET, Kd,
like would they consider a guy Like John? Morant is
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there a team out there that has the that's in
a tough position that can afford to take that kind of,
risk maybe A sacramento a team that's been kind of
stuck in, Mediocrity like is there a team out there
that is willing to take a risk on a guy like?
Him BECAUSE i do think the upside is their. Calling
Like i've seen a lot of stuff over the last
couple of days ranking him at various points in the,
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league AND i do think when he's, healthy he's still
like a right around the fourteenth or fifteenth best player
in THE nba because no one can keep him in.
Front he is an extremely talented. Player that's the frustrating
part is that it hasn't come. Together BUT i do
think that there's some somebody out there that's going to
take a chance on. Him but, ultimately whether or not
it works out is going to be whether or Not
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jaw actually makes the changes that he needs, To, like
you got to, improve like you have to develop as
a jump shooter to take it easier on your. Legs
if he develops as a jump, shooter it will make
his downhill drives more dynamic and less, frequent which will
help him stay healthier and available to his. Team there
is a real upside, there he just hasn't been able
to capitalize on. It But, colin what are your thoughts
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on the report That Kevin durant prefers The. SPURS i
was not a huge fan of this. Fit we were
talking last week about How wemby being very, thin kd
being very, thin even Deeron. Fox he's super fast, guard
but he's not a power. Player not a lot of
power on that. Roster, colin what are your thoughts On
katie potentially going to The.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Spurs, WELL i, mean to, Me Wembin yama And Stefan
castle are the. Team like that's nothing against De aaron And,
Vassal BUT i think those two guys are all, stars
one of them ALL nba so AND i think they're
just getting better. FAST i Think i'm always cautious to
(33:30):
Say Kevin durant doesn't fit. ANYWHERE i think he fits.
Everywhere like my Wife osa, says like salt works with,
everything like like like my son was a. Chef my stepson's, like, Yeah,
Bacon grease And butter work with everything That's Kevin. Durant,
like you can just find a spot for a guy
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who's the best jump shooter at any given juncture in the.
League so AND i also Think kevin just kind of
figures it. Out you, KNOW i don't always like his
decision making on, teams but even In, brooklyn he was
the one THING i liked about. It he was the one.
THING i mean In, arizona In, phoenix it Was Bradley
(34:15):
beale that drove us. Nuts Kevin durant was giving me
twenty six and twenty. Seven i'm not disappointed with. Him
i've been disappointed with you, know his like team, selection
BUT i just kind of feel like he's water like
he just he just kind of floats and finds his
level AND i think he'll fit. Anywhere AND i also
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think you've got really smart Between Chris paul and De Aaron.
Fox you, know you have good guiters on that, team
like really smart, guys and you can be a really
flawed team if you're. Intelligent we've talked about The Miami
heat like one of the smartest teams in league. History
it's Like Alan, Lebron, Wade, Bosh battie A. Haslam it's
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like she's high. Functioning they didn't have a. Center chalmers
drove everybody. Crazy wade And lebron kind of had duplicate,
games and you're, like, yeah they got the four straight,
finals like they just figured shit out. Right AND i
kind of feel like if you Put wemby and and
It's fox and it's, uh you'd have to move. OFF
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i Think Harrison barnes we talked about. BEFORE i think
it was the BUT i MEAN i just Think kadi would.
WORK i think it would just. WORK i think. IT
i Think houston needs him. More BUT i MEAN i
think he looks At houston and, thinks all, right like Like. Sangoon,
YEAH i Mean thompson is he a great offensive, player
(35:45):
yet he's more of an athlete defensive. PLAYER i don't.
KNOW i Think katie's smart and looks at it and just, thinks,
MAN i could have bad shooting nights and we could
score one twenty eight In San. Antonio LIKE i think
that's how he looks at. It Maybe i'm, wrong you, KNOW.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I want to be clear just BECAUSE i say it's
not my favorite fit doesn't mean it can't. Work Like
i'm a big believer in don't overthink things like don't
Overthink Kevin durant next To Victor wembinyama And Darren, fox
like they're gonna score a lot of points and they're
gonna be able to to get a certain number of.
Stops THERE'S i there is you were just talking about
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With Desmond. Bain there's a reason Why Desmond baine's shooting
is so incredibly valuable in The orlando context on a
team that not only doesn't have a guy who can
make jump, shots but doesn't have a guy who can
make jump shots off the. Move so it's uniquely super
valuable to that. TEAM kd anchored by the physicality Of.
HOUSTON i like the kind of like force multiplier effect
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he could have. There that, said even in the context
Of San, antonio he's obviously a massive. Upgrade he's obviously
gonna make them way. Better there's even like some interesting
stuff you could look at in the big. PICTURE kd
is like probably the best shooting workout guy in the
league to Pair victor Webbin yama. With he's legendary for
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the quality of his shooting, workouts him going game, speed
him working on shots that are specifically available IN nba
games off of certain. Actions katie is like a legend
in his workouts off the. Floor wemby's going to be
doing all those workouts with, him you know he, Is
and it would lead to a certain development in terms
Of wemby's big picture. Health but it looks to me
(37:29):
more like less of a immediate contender juggernaut and more
of like kind of a fun place For katie to
end his career right go hand in hand In.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Wemby that's WHAT i. THINK i Think katy looks at
it and thinks this would be. Fun is that it
wouldn't BE i wouldn't have to drop twenty eight, points
would come. Easy AND i Think katie looks at it and, thinks,
okay Dearon. Fox you Know, wemby the structure of the.
Organization they draft smart, players they don't draft a lot of,
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ego they don't draft a lot of. DUMMIES i Think
katie looks at himself and, Thinks, Okay houston's got. This
there's a lot of stuff In houston That i'm not
sure it's ever gonna be great in the. Playoffs it's
a lot of hyper athleticism and length and running AND
i and that's. Fun BUT i don't think at this
point he wants to be a, mentor right LIKE i
(38:20):
think he wants to. GO i Think i'll have some
fun and play with really smart, players highly functional, players
and all put the pressure on me to figure out
WHERE i, fit you, know like they don't need. HIM
i Think houston needs. HIM i think The knicks could
really use. Him SO i, think you, KNOW i think
FOR kd it IS i think it's. Perfect that would be.
(38:42):
Fun it would be fun for, him AND i think
it would be fun for.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Us it falls in line with the same ideology that
led him To Golden. State you, Know like to your,
POINT kd could win a title In, houston but it
would be a chore and offense would very. Difficult he'd
be facing crazy Looks, now the flip side of that
is he wouldn't have to be the same statistical monster
(39:08):
In houston that he would be in other situations Because
houston's defense is so good that he would just need
to basically lift them over the top on the offensive
end of the. Floor but there is something to be
said about basketball is more fun when the ball's moving
around and you're playing with more offensive skill when you
like Kd if there's one weakness at this point in his,
career he doesn't pressure the rim a Ton well Dearon
(39:29):
fox sure as hell. Does so like he's going to
get to play off of those advantages and play off
the ball like there is A kadi has told us
to our faces exactly who he is for. Years he loves,
basketball and he wants to play a fun brand of basketball's.
Right and so even if we look on it and
add it on paper and, go, Oh, houston, big, strong physical,
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team they can anchor him with. Defense Emy udoka is
not the best offensive coach in the. World that team
doesn't have a lot offensive. Talent it Would it would
be a lot Like Oklahoma city in twenty. Sixteen And
i'm thinking he looks at that and, goes, Oh i'd
rather play, fun free flowing basketball with some more talented offensive.
Players and so with that being the, CASE i Mean
San antonio is going to be a really interesting team
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if they pulled something like this. Off all of a,
sudden a guy Like Jeremy sohan becomes super important because
he'd have to be such a defensive anchor for them
in terms of size and. Strength Stefan castle obviously defensively
as a, guard would have to do a lot of that. Work,
Again i'm not sure THAT i would view That spurs
team as exceptionally. Dangerous but what a fun way For
(40:31):
wemby to start his career and what a fun way
For katie to end his.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Career, WELL i think Also katie looks At lebron and
Thinks lebron's always figured it. Out Is lebron doesn't want
to do a lot of the dirty. Work like if
he went To, Houston katie'd have to do some of
the dirty. Work he'd be, like he'd be Like steph
And Golden, state where it's, like, Oh steph plays, poorly
that's the narrative when they, lose it's Not Jimmy butler
And steph In. Houston very quickly he would be because
(40:57):
Because Jalen green's a hot and cold, shooter and very
quickly If houston, loses it's, like, Well, katie you, know
an off shooting, night.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
We traded for. Him he was supposed to save.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Us that's, Right and it's just not the case In San,
antonio he'll be Part AND i do think as players get,
older they're looking for, fit and you, know it's it's
And i'm okay with. THAT i think As i've, Aged
i've always liked. Fit it's it's just fun to be
part of a, group a mix of young and. Old
(41:28):
but you don't want to be a, mentor LIKE i
just don't Think. Katie at this, POINT i think fun
is a really interesting word Because kyrie is fun to play.
With that's why he went, there And Golden state no
longer because of. Relationships wasn't he wasn't having a good.
Time he was, winning and so, Yeah i'm okay with.
(41:48):
It he's had a he's had an all time. Career
he's a different. Cat But i've you, Know i've come
to terms with not everybody is the. SAME i really do, think,
though what you're seeing right now in THE, NBA i
really like AND i know we don't have a super,
team but it's becoming like THE. Nfl it's a VERY
gm driven, League like the smart gms are gonna. WIN
(42:11):
a lot of them are in The west and they
have been for thirty. Years that's why The west is
overwhelmingly top to, bottom always deeper than The. East you
just have more good owners and more good. Gms and
the other thing, IS i think what we've really seen
this there's a lot of maturity in the league right,
Now Like indiana And Oklahoma. CITY i, mean these are grinding.
(42:33):
OUTFITS i MEAN i Think indiana plays pretty good. DEFENSE
i mean, again juxtaposition With okac jecktposed to, that, well
it doesn't look the. Same but there was a in
the second quarter in this, GAME i was, Like, God
india has given them. Problems SO i JUST i think
the league right now it went through a cycle where
it felt kind of you had old stars and two
(42:56):
young guys like you, know and you had These jaws
and these it's like they're just not. READY i just
feel like we've got this group Of halliburton AND sga
And Jalen williams and and it's just like really Good,
tatum really good young, players totally dedicated to the, league
(43:16):
and fewer and fewer old guys are. Relevant AND i
think IT'S i don't it may not get, ratings BUT
I I'M i really, like okay see In, Indiana LIKE
i really respect top to bottom both. Organizations the volume
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