THE W.A.D.E. Concept - WEEK IN REVIEW - BREAKING!! Jon Jones RETIRES, Canelo vs Crawford Press Conference REACTION, and MORE! - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, it just happened. Breaking news. John
Jones has retired from the UFC. This is just moments
after UFC Baku, a card that was pretty interesting, had
some good scraps, and in the main event, I was
once again Wade cursed completely wrong about Jamal Hill doing
anything to change what's got him into trouble in his

(00:21):
last couple of fights, and instead Khalil Rountree, being the
samurai that he is in his custom UFC shorts, getting
the victory a piece and of Jamal and that's something
I probably should have made a dedicated video about on
this channel. But right now we have more pressing matters
no offense to either of those fighters. John Jones has
now been confirmed to have retired from Dana White himself

(00:41):
in the post fight press conference of UFC Baku. This
is massive news for the UFC. It's massive news going forward,
and I don't hate to say it, actually I actually
love to say it. Everybody on MMA YouTube was right.
Everybody that said that John Jones was never gonna fight
Tom Aspinall was right. Everyone that said that John Jones
was dunking Tom Aspinall was right. And it just got

(01:03):
confirmed the breakdown. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
John Jones called us last night and retired. John Jones
was officially retired.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Tom Aspinall is the heavyweight Champion of the UFC.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Bag all right, Yeah, I'm excited. Tom Asmenall is finally
what in my opinion, he always was when he won
the belt and defended the interim belt. He is now
the undisputed heavyweight champion of the UFC. And yes, this
is bittersweet, because I think everybody wanted to see John
Jones fight Tom Asmanall for whatever reasons you had. If
you thought that John was over the hill, if you

(01:34):
thought Tom deserved that right to win the belt from
the man that had it before him, all of that
is valid, and I think that it should have happened
that way. But we don't live in a perfect world,
and certainly in the UFC not a perfect company. But
I guess they tried to exhaust every option with John,
I don't know, trying to give him the benefit of
the doubt. But this is long past overdue. But finally,

(01:55):
the rock voice, finally we get the desired result, even
though again it's that's not the way anyone wanted it.
It just needed to happen. They had waited for John
to make a decision. Apparently from Ariol Hawaanee. They had
offered John a ton of money and he still turned
that down. And it was just one of these things
where they were not going to make a deal. That's

(02:16):
what I assume happened here. They just could not get
John to say yes. And as you were danna say there,
John called him and retired last night. And it is
a little bit of an odd situation because we did
see John Jones just on the Milk Boys podcast and
having his happy Dads and as soon as he was
asked a question are for the course about Tom aspinall,
he dip said it out of the podcast, didn't want

(02:38):
any part of it. But I think it's also unfortunate
that the UFC did not step out and make this decision.
They had to have John Jones come to them and
offer the belt up. That to me is bizarre and
again it shows me that the UFC was not inclined
to strip John, that they weren't going to unless he
gave up the belt. And why did was that what

(02:59):
it took? Look, why was it John giving the belt
up to the UFC Again? The company that owns the product,
that owns the belt, for them to say this is
not going to work. We are killing our own heavyweight
division in lieu of potentially hopefully getting John to come back,
however long that takes, however long we have to put
tom Aspinall on the shelf, however long we have to

(03:20):
have him in an interim spot defending an interim belt
while the heavyweight champion is healthy and just doesn't want
to fight. And again, some people will say, well, he
never beat John Jones for it, but that's not his fault.
I mean Tom Aspenal did everything he could to fight
John Jones. Look at this however you want, but the
point remains John can still be one of, if not
the greatest, to have ever fought in MMA. But he

(03:43):
ducked Tom Aspitaal and it's clear now, and there's no
way to really excuse it. I mean, yeah, you can
say John didn't feel like Tom was valued enough to
fight him, but he still ducked tom Aspinall. He still
didn't want any part of the tom Aspinall fight. And
I even hesitated for a long time to say, oh,
John's not scared, none of that, And John's probably not petrified,

(04:06):
but he is understanding of one thing that Tom Aspinall
throws a wrench into the goat talks if he fights him.
Because tom Aspinall presents more of a danger to John
Jones than he Babyochich did. And that is the only
reason John Jones retired. Because Tom Aspinall was too dangerous
to fight, point blank, period. That was it. He was

(04:28):
too dangerous for John to take the risk. And that's
a duck. Folks. Whether you want to believe that or not,
or whether you want to consider John the greatest of
all time or one of the greatest of all time
doesn't really matter, because I do. I think John is
the greatest fighter I have ever seen in my own
two eyes. But he ducked tom Aspinall, and I'll give
you the reasons for it. Number One, you can't convince

(04:50):
me that John didn't have the motivation to fight, because
a couple of days ago on Twitter he was calling
out Francis and Ganu because Francis was rumored to come back.
Number Two, John he got all the money he wanted
out of this, or at least he was supposed to
found a way to convince the UFC to give him
the number he was asking for and he still said no.
That tells you all you need to know about what

(05:10):
John thought about this fight. He wanted no part of it,
point blank period. And you can't get around that fact.
That'll stick on his legacy right not fighting Tom and
not doing the same thing other fighters in the past
have done when the newest young challenger comes up to
fight them for their belt, and not saying John ever

(05:31):
had to do that. But he also had his cake
and ate it too, because he didn't fight Tom and
also held onto the belt for as long as and
almost became the longest rating heavyweight champion in UFC history
without fighting more than twice. Again. It is surreal because
we are seeing one of the greatest ever, if not
the greatest ever, retire in a moment's notice. Here today,

(05:54):
gone tomorrow. No a big announcement, no press conference, just done.
While that's staying on His legacy will come from the
Tom aspinall fight and potentially even you know, the Francis
and Guan who fight when Francis was a part of
the UFC that never happened. He does have fourteen years
of being elite. He's fourteen fifteen sixteen title fights, twelve

(06:15):
title defenses. John beat the best of the era before him,
the best of the era he was in, and the
next era that came through. Beat the generation before him,
essentially the veterans and the top level of the generation
that had already solidified themselves as he was coming into MMA.
Then he beat his generation of fighters, you know, the

(06:37):
Mauricio Showgun who was, and the resatt Evans and Rampages
and all those guys. And then he beat his era
of fighters right the DC, the gust of sins, He
tore Belfour's Heleoto Machidahs, and he beat the next generation.
However you feel about the Dominicreis fight, which I think
was a fight he probably should have lost, the Anthony Smith,

(07:00):
I know that's not a great win on paper. Now
beat Thiago Santos, beat that next generation, then moved to heavyweight,
beat the number one guy there at the time. I
know Francis wasn't there, and John probably should have fought Francis.
That's another stain that will always say, damn, wish we
would have got that fight, And again I think we
did it because of John Jones. But then he goes
and beats Serril god fairly easily beats Steve A. Miocic,

(07:22):
which was way over the hill. I understand that wasn't
a steep a that was considered one of the greatest
heavyweights ever, but still beat him fairly easily. And John
has racked up two belts in two different divisions, still
think he's one of the greatest to ever do it. So, yeah,
it's a bummer that we didn't get that final punctuation
mark on John's career, Like, yeah, him going out on

(07:44):
top and really leaving no doubt that he's the greatest ever.
If he would have beat Tom Aspinal, there wold been
no doubt. There would have been nobody in this comment
section telling me I'm an idiot because I'd said John
Jones is the greatest, And I think that is a
part of the reason that he won't be looked at
that way is because we didn't get that final point,
whether it was good or bad, we didn't get that

(08:05):
go out on your shield warrior style of ending for
John Jones' career. And that's not necessarily a problem, but
it kind of is. When you drag out an entire
division for a year plus just for the UFC to
be at your beck and call, and then eventually you
do the thing that John Jones of course does in
this situation and control the narrative and control how this

(08:29):
whole thing goes by saying, well, I just I don't
want to fight for the belt. Tom is not worth
me fighting him, So here go have the belt. And
I'm sure you're going to see John Jones on Twitter
saying in the next couple of weeks or months he
can have the belt, but he never wanted off me.
That kind of mentality, I'm sure is coming down the line,
and yeah, that's just what I see happen in John

(08:50):
trolling on Twitter for the next couple of months. But
this is a massive moment. John Jones was a massive
part of MMA for the last fifteen years. And whether
you want to believe this or not, and I'm glad
that John's given the belt up. I'm glad if he's
going to ride off into the sunset that he's not
taking the belt with him. Whether you want to believe
this or not, he is one of the last major

(09:10):
names in the sport right at least on American soil.
And that may be a problem for the UFC because
We've all talked about how they are having trouble creating stars,
having trouble finding that next big superstar to come out
of the octagon, and maybe it'll be Iliotuporia, or maybe
it'll be Islam Makachev, and maybe it'll be somebody else,

(09:32):
Patty the Badie, Tom Aspinall. Who knows, But we do
know that John, even though he wasn't a massive pay
per view draw, he was a star. And again he
was the greatest, in my opinion, or one of the
greatest that's ever been in the octagon. So whatever you
think about him, whether you like him or not as
a fighter, whether you like him or not as a person,
all that aside, this will be a massive hit for

(09:53):
the heavyweight division that John is not fighting Tom Aspinall.
But again it's bittersweet because at least if you're going
to take that hit, John is given the belt up
and not just squatting, and Tom Aspinall as the rightful
champion now and the rest of the division can move on,
and maybe Tom becomes a big superstar and John says,
you know what, it's time to come back, But I
doubt that happens if he's not going to fight him now.

(10:14):
I don't see why John would take another year off
or another two years off, then come back and try
to fight him again, but who knows. Breaking news, though,
I wanted to get this to you guys as soon
as it happened. Just now dropped. John Jones is retiring
from the sport of MMA and from the UFC. It's
massive news, whether you like it or not. One of
the greatest of all time is done. All right, folks,

(10:37):
Today we are watching the press conference from Canello Crawford.
If you guys didn't see it, this morning, from the
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Canelo versus Crawford's first press conference
went live. One of the more interesting things about this
was it was a collaboration effort. Look at this. The
WWE streamed it, the UFC streamed it, The Zone streamed it,

(10:58):
the Ring magazine streamed it, trick Yella Shake streamed it.
It was everywhere. This was insane and this truly shows
you like the flex that Turkey and TKO Boxing or
I guess it's gonna be called Zoofa Boxing are putting
out into the boxing world right now.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
For decades now, boxing's most formidable opponent has.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Been well boxing.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Not the fighters, but the business negotiations that prove treacherous, the.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
Spirit drinking and back bending. You can't everybody.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Basketball, see what I'm saying. They are coming out swinging
right away, dude. We want to make sure you guys
get the fights you want to see. And it ain't
been happening for the last however long.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Tar, It's but cruver Okay, Todd so Canello, his excellency,
Turkey Ella, I.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
Don't know why they put me here. I want to
be in the sight of Crawford.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
I know he kind of always says who he wants
to win, but he's just coming out right in Canelo's
face and be like, yo, I don't I don't know
why they put me on this table. I want to
be over there, dang Okay. So Turkey rolling with Bud Okay.
There were some negotiations between Turkey and Canelo for a while,
and even before that, they were back and forth between
the two of them. Maybe Turkey's like, yeah, I still

(12:28):
ain't over that. I'm bringing this man to beat you. No,
Turkey rolls with Crawford. Ain't a white big Canelo fan.
And by the way, where is Dana. Where's Dana White?
We need that, We need that Dana introduction that Dana
gave Connor r In. He needs to get up at
that podium and go fucking crazy. Dude.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
I hate Tom and Jerrick's kinds of boxing. I am
sure they will deliver from me smashing face. I'm blood
and this is the boxing.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Oh shit, No, Tom and Jerry. I want you smashing
face and give me blood. Let's go. Turkey's tired of
the Tom and Jerry. He's tired of their running. And again,
people had an issue with this because you know all
Turkey's never fought whatever he is simply saying under his platform,
under Riance Season, under the Ring magazine, he doesn't like

(13:25):
seeing those fights, so he is going to put on
fights where he is essentially ensuring that that's not going
to be the case.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
I don't want to force to be having drink twelve
by twelve or something like this to have something like
this big fight.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
You ano stop playing around. I'm gonna make the ring
a twelve by twelve dude. People be boxing in an
actual box. Can you imagine, though, Bro? You can't even
breathe in there. This is it. Welcome to your world
title fight.

Speaker 7 (13:55):
Next time I want to question in English piece, I'm
to start with the international media.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Turkey is not playing around, dude, He is out here
just laying down the law.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
Question for his excellency. You said many times now that
you don't want any more of these Tom and Jerry
fights where one fighter is chasing the other one.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
That cop, what is your plan to kind of stop
these fights?

Speaker 7 (14:19):
Would not have to have him anymore. This is the
first things. The seconds we would have in this fight
and the next fights bonus for Ko.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
This fight and the next fight, bonus for KOs So
I assume he means I'm not really sure this fight,
in the next one, the next Canelo fight. This is
a little bit outside of the realm of normal boxing procedure,
but if you come from the MMA community, you know
this is a pretty common thing. You're starting to see
a little bit of the Dana wide influence, right That's
that's gotta be a Dana idea. But I'm gonna be honest,

(14:50):
between Canelo and Crawford, they're probably already making a ridiculous
amount of money, so this has to be maybe more
for the undercart. But again, it obviously could qualify for
Canelo and Crawford, but doubt they care about a KO
bonus when they're probably making more money than they ever have.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
Social media speculation will say about when this fight is
going to take place?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Can you be pacific?

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:09):
We saw Oscar Deale lawyer. Can you be pacific? I
love h e man, Hey, listen, ag you need someone
to be pacific. I'm on that pacific time all the time.
You feel me?

Speaker 8 (15:21):
Yeah, we saw Oscardale lawyer trying to say that the
fight was going to take place maybe in the DATAO.

Speaker 7 (15:25):
Okay, this is what I want from you to say
his name.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:32):
I decide with Dana I to have a breakfast in
MGM at ten am, mishall la. Then we will go
to the to the arena to have the fights quick
and after that we will go dinner to Carpon and
in the night we will watch Conjourning because it's will
launching in September. Oscar de la Hoya, waste my time

(15:54):
with this question.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
There's a lot to go through here. Cop asked the
question about what oscaril Hoya sai. Let's se fucking pull
it up.

Speaker 9 (16:01):
Why is it that Canelo has to fight during the
day a Mexican Independence weekend and UFC what a roster
of names I've never heard of is going on prime
time Jez Mile, he's fighting in Rialna and now he's
fighting during the day on the biggest weekend in boxing.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
This is what HG was upset about. Okay, so this
is what Oscar was referring to. He was trying to
leak the news that this fight would be during the day,
and then Turkey essentially is trolling Oscar saying like, yeah,
me and Dan are gonna have breakfast at today am
at the MGM, then go and have the fights, then
wrap them up real quick so we can go. I
think he said watch a movie later. And I know
he said something about the conjuring. I'm not exactly sure,

(16:39):
but he's essentially trolling right there. Of course, this isn't
the beak.

Speaker 7 (16:42):
This is the boxing, the spot number one in the world.
This is Kanella on Crawford.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
So there you go said, this is the peak. This
is of course, this is in the peak.

Speaker 7 (16:50):
I need to mention why we choose Netflix. Netflix is
the big platform. Second, if you ask about the numbers
of the subscriber on the baybit of you, Oh, let's
see the record and that time in twenty fifteen, twenty thirteen,
the internet and the piracy was not like now. Now

(17:12):
is the best options to go with the big platform.
And I think this fight will have the big record
around the world and we will show the world what
is real boxing, especially in Netflix. We'll show them what
is the real boxing.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Ooh okay, Aging shots once again will show Netflix and
the world what a real fight is the only other
fight that's ever been on Netflix, the first fight ever
on Netflix, Paul Mike Tyson. He also said something there.
It's a losing battle to try to continue to put
on pay per view events when kids at the age
of thirteen understand the Internet better than some of the

(17:50):
companies trying to put them behind a pay per view
on You're gonna start seeing more and more and it
should have honestly, it probably should already happen by now.
But you're gonna start seeing more and more streaming service box,
seeing promotions matches companies, and less and less pay per view,
And make no mistake about it, Turkey Dana, they want
to beat this number. They want to beat one hundred

(18:11):
and eight million live viewers globally and sixty five million
concurrent they want to do it.

Speaker 7 (18:16):
Thank you so much, and I would make the legend continue.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
All right, Turkey's out? Hey, what the hell true?

Speaker 10 (18:31):
Jordan Canello, welcome back to Riodd of course. The last
time we saw you here fighting under the h here
in the Kingdom, under the riadd banner, you fought William Skull.
What were your impressions of that fight night and that
fight itself?

Speaker 11 (18:46):
You mean William It's cool, Yes, that fight, the whole thing.
That was a fight. No, it's a that's a deception
for me because you know I come to fight, but
you need to have both fighting the same right.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
He's speaking, Canelo is going levels up in his game, Dude,
the hooked on PHONEX is working this man using words
like deception. It's over, dude.

Speaker 10 (19:10):
You heard his excellancy saying no more Tom and Jerry,
no more running. But you're moving up to weight classes.
It's not gonna be smart for you to stand there
and hammer it out with this guy. So how do
you kind of balance that not running but being elusive
in fighting? Canelo?

Speaker 8 (19:23):
However, I gotta fight. I'm gonna win, simple as that.
I'm not gonna let somebody else force me or tell
me how to fight when I being fighting my whole life.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I won't be running.

Speaker 8 (19:36):
You know, I could tell you that, but I will
be you know, doing a lot of touching.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Hey yo, I'm playing now. It was a decent political answer.
He's essentially saying, listen, no one can tell me how
to fight, but you're not gonna see me run. He's like,
that's not something I do. I'm gonna fight the way
I want to fight. But I'm be in there putting
hands on it.

Speaker 10 (19:56):
You said he's good, but he's no Canelo.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
What can you do that Terrence cannot.

Speaker 11 (20:01):
Do No, don't give me wrong. He's a great fighter,
like but I like I say, he's no Canelo.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
He's good, but he's no Canelo. Dang that kind of hits.

Speaker 11 (20:11):
They only focus on my power, but I'm I have
more than that. These fight He's gonna be one of
my best fights in my in my heat story, in
my record, and I'm very excited. I'm very excited, motivate
because this is all about. This is all about I
want to make his story and I'm very excited for
these fights.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
He said, people think I just got power now, and
that's all it's gonna be the difference. But I'm gonna
show all the aspects of my game. I hope so,
because it's not that people think that Canelo just has power.
He has told people for the latter part of the
last three years that the priority in his game has
been his power. He's been flat footed, standing in front
of guys, walking him down and throwing big time power.
He hasn't been setting up shots as well. He hasn't

(20:53):
been moving his feet as much. He hasn't been doing
much on the catching counters as he usually does. I
want to see every aspect of the can game.

Speaker 11 (21:00):
He's not gonna beat me, don't worry about it. He's
not gonna beat me, but don't worry about it. I
think this fight is gonna He's gonna be in the
books of the history of boxing, for sure. That's for you.

Speaker 8 (21:13):
For sure. Them belts come with me. They're coming home
with me. I'm telling you.

Speaker 11 (21:17):
You can see it. But you's gonna be He's gonna
be difficult.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
You take it to you taking.

Speaker 8 (21:23):
Them and ain't now you're gonna be able to do
about it.

Speaker 11 (21:25):
Come fight.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I know turkeys in your okay, Bud, Yeah, this is
what I was talking about, let's get some intensity in here.

Speaker 11 (21:34):
I know Turkeys in your corner. Look, look, it's gonna
be very difficult. He's gonna be so much that day.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
I know Turkey's in your corner, but he's gonna be
mad that day. Okay, can hello Caelo using Turkey's old
words against him, looking at him like, yeah, no, he's
in your corner. I get it. He brought you up
here to beat me, take my belts. I get it.
But both you all about to be mad. Yeah, this
is what we want and now you're coming, was Dana White.

(22:04):
That's what we need. Dude.

Speaker 8 (22:06):
I see you, you see you see I'm different than
all the other one.

Speaker 11 (22:11):
I see you don't know different You nothing different.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'm different, nothing different.

Speaker 8 (22:15):
I'm different with.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
You.

Speaker 12 (22:19):
Know.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
What is interesting about this whole thing is that Canelo
looks at Bud Crawford like, you've never made this weight,
You've never jumped weight classes like this, and I have.
Both guys are acting as though they have something up
their sleeve that neither guy has seen before.

Speaker 10 (22:32):
Ready for some people said he should have done a
better job cutting the ring off. It was the fewest
punch has ever landed.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Did you see it that way? Damn, Todd.

Speaker 8 (22:39):
I'm not here to talk about his past fights. I'm
here to talk about his present fight, and that's him
versus me, and that's what I'm here to talk about,
me me versus him, not him versus any other's previous opponents.

Speaker 10 (22:54):
Do you expect him to run like a lot of people?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
You don't think so?

Speaker 5 (23:00):
Not?

Speaker 11 (23:00):
I have not because I think people decaid have a
good fight, And well.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Is anybody like Todd is acting like people are saying
Terrence Crawford's gonna run from Canelo, who has said.

Speaker 10 (23:11):
That fighters in Las Vegas. Obviously there's gonna be a
huge Mexican crowd there for him. How confident are you
that the judges will give you a fair shake after
the end of the twelve rounds?

Speaker 8 (23:20):
Listen, I can't focus on the judges. I just got
to focus on.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
As sad is that that that's a question in this sport?
How fucking sad is that that we even have that
in our minds when it comes to a fight.

Speaker 8 (23:31):
Controlling what I can control inside the ring, and that's
you know, going out there and win in the fight decisively.

Speaker 10 (23:39):
You're bulked up now, you're bigger than ever. Do you
feel stronger? Do you feel like you can knock Canelo?

Speaker 11 (23:45):
Olt Man?

Speaker 8 (23:45):
Listen, Like I said before, any fighter can be nice.
Janello got a grantite chin. He's tough, he's durable. You
know we've seen him hurt a couple of times, but
not to the point where you know it's not respected it.
But given the right circumstances, anybody can get knocked out.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Who would you.

Speaker 10 (24:05):
Say is the toughest opponent you've ever faced?

Speaker 1 (24:07):
And where would you rank Terrence?

Speaker 11 (24:09):
No, He's He's one of the tough fighters I'm going
to face. He might get ready, for sure. He's a
great fighter, and I have many many great fights.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Toughest fighter the Canalo ever faced was Floyd Mayweather. If
you're talking about toughness, that's a different thing. But the
toughest fight he's ever had is Floyd Biviol's second in
Triple G. Honestly, you can put Triple G and Bibel
right on the same platform. But Floyd it was. It
was domination. What he did to Egar Berlanga, Floyd did
to him and Terrence the same question for you.

Speaker 10 (24:38):
I guess a lot of people be showing up from
Omaha in Las Vegas for that weekend.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
What's your message to your fans?

Speaker 10 (24:42):
Did you take on the biggest challenge of your career.

Speaker 8 (24:46):
Listen, I just tell him, you know what I mean,
Let suit up. We're about to bring some more jewelry home,
you know, and it's going to be an exciting day
for boxing. History will be made. Terrence Crawford will be
first mail boxer three way undisputed champion of the world.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
That's kind of getting slept on in this whole thing
is that Bud has a chance to be three weight
undisputed champion. That's crazy. Now you understand why I wanted
to jump. I mean, granted, it's also Canelo. It's also
the money, but the accolade of being a three division
in the male scene, Yes, three division world champion is nut.

Speaker 10 (25:24):
And this is what it's all about, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 12 (25:26):
This is what they are.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Looks like a dead lifting belt. Son.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
For the belt that Canelo has over there. We spent
one hundred thousand pounds for this belt. We up the ante.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Wait, the belt that's on Canelo's table was one hundred
thousand pounds. That's the one they gave him. After the
skull fight, right, Okay, so they took that one, and
now they made even a new one as well.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
To one hundred and forty thousand pounds. This is bien.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Oh my god, one hundred and forty thousand pounds. How
much is that in usd on? Hundred and eighty eight
thousand dollars? You know the ring magazine out here flexing.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Canelo Alvarez Terrence Bud Crawford are the two very best
fighters of this era. But there can only be one,
and only one of them is going home with this belt.
Saturday night, September thirteenth, in Las Vegas. Watch it live
on Netflix. I thank everyone for coming out, see you

(26:26):
in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
On the low, I saw this on Twitter. Canelo walking
a little past even here to get to Crawford. He
didn't set up in the middle here, He walked a
little bit past even to get to him some intensity.
What we like to see Canello does look you know,

(26:48):
a little thicker, a little thicker traps, a little bigger,
you know what I'm saying, arms look a little bigger. Okay,
so maybe maybe Canelo is a little bit bigger.

Speaker 10 (27:01):
Once in a lifetime, Ladies and gentlemen, kim me in
for Terrence Vudd kluver at Candello Alvarez.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
We'll see it Sunday. There. It is the first press
conference in the books. Listen. Turkey Alishak came out right away,
set the tone said, listen, no more time in Jerry fights.
We want to make these big fights again, talking about
this one and potentially in the future on Netflix. Put
the message out there that he wants us to be
the showing two Netflix in the world of real boxing
on Netflix, obviously taking a shot at Jake Paul, took

(27:29):
a shot at Oscar de la Hoya and even said
I'm on team Bud Crawford, which is why we need
representative for Team Canelo. And we're not talking Eddie Renoso.
We're talking big Dana White. We need to see Dana
White in these in these pressers. He's supposed to be
promoting the fight. I know he's got UFC Fight Night tonight,
but for this weekend, but I want to see him
in either New York or Vegas. I need to see
Dana red, Dana coming out in support of his favorite boxer,

(27:52):
Canelo Alvarez. And listen, this was a nice intro presser.
There wasn't a lot really said, but you saw some
intense moments. You saw when they started talking about belts
and bubs like I'm leaving with your belts. Ain't nothing
you can do about it. Canelo is like, you're you're good,
but you're you're not me. I don't care how much
Turkey wants you to wins. I'm upsetting everybody. But then
the face off itself intensity, no games. It's now time

(28:13):
to get this fight build going. We'll see what happens.
I guess in New York on Sunday we'll cover that
one as well, and what happens as far as the
fight's concerned. The big question everybody has the size difference
that time. Cando did look a little bigger, a little stronger,
potentially if I don't have those answers. So this we'll
find out what is wrong with Connor McGregor, legitimately, what

(28:34):
the is wrong with this guy? Just pisses me off?
How does he go from videos like this? He's up
here training with this.

Speaker 11 (28:41):
Hill is folks.

Speaker 13 (28:44):
All right, tamp ready to go? Yeah, I'm gonna fund executive,
that is it? Yeah, And you're.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Not gonna lie that laugh might be the underlying the
men that Connor McGregor suppresses around his family, coming out
for just a short billion because he's my polar I
don't think you can just call my pressure.

Speaker 14 (29:08):
Yeah, there's not a north pressure on us.

Speaker 13 (29:10):
Put more pressure on us because it's light walk.

Speaker 15 (29:13):
But let's go win to your position.

Speaker 13 (29:14):
Three two one go go go go go fast step fast,
fast fast.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yes, there you go. That's the pace. That's the pace.
Come on, that is going.

Speaker 13 (29:23):
Come on, come on, come on, catch him, catch him
home on hume on, hum up all the way all.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
The way, all the way, all the way, all the way.

Speaker 13 (29:30):
Stay strong, stay strong, stay structure.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
That's how push push get it now, you get it now.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
You come on, get it now.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
You go go go go go. It's a long ass run.
He goes from doing something like that and you even
see d deviling with the hard eyes and everybody's like nice,
good work. Is that put more pressure on us? Yeah,
not the north pressure because there's light walk. He's a psycho.
But also he's doing this ship now it is the

(29:56):
sun reporting. But I mean, this is clear video evidence.
Connor McGregor floors a man with two punches in some
club and a biza talking to the fella. Boom, a
little slap and then the left hand over the top
and there goes the guy flying. Guy said something Connor

(30:18):
didn't like. Boom, a little slap and then a punch.
What could the guy have done? Honestly, I see people
in chass hand. Maybe the guy did something to warn it.
What what could he have done? Is that meterors that
look like true Jordy. If Connor keeps growing like a
good boy and gets some inches of height as well
as his massive HGH frame, he could look like true Jordan.

(30:43):
Probably a Habib fan. Still, you don't get listen. If
you're Conor McGregor and you've had this many issues outside
of the cage, slapping the old man, punching people, taking phones,
stomping them, doing all this other shit, it gets to
a point where it's like you have to know you're
the celebrity in the room. You have to know that
motherfuckers are going to try to push your buttons. Dude.
What someone comes up and he's like, ahab he beat

(31:04):
your ass. Remember in Vegas a couple of weeks like
it was a couple months ago. He spit on the
guy and he told him, He's like, I spit on you.
You have to realize people are gonna troll you forever.
Not saying that it's right for a guy to come
up and talk shit and walk away, but for Connor

(31:24):
to start punching people after they say something he doesn't
like is also not right and worse. The old man
didn't even do nothing, oh man was just sitting there.
It's not like he gave the guy another chance where
he slapped him and he was like say it again. No,
he slapped him and then dropped the left hand on him.
I'll ask you guys this, If you're that guy, let's
say the punch doesn't even hurt, right, Let's say he's

(31:46):
not even hurting you with the punch. Do you flop
you take the slap and then he hits you with
the punch, and then do you just like flop over
and like hope that you can sue him? Is that
is that where we're at the society? Because it looked
like that's I mean, the dude fell. Hey, for sure,
guy hit with a big time shot. Pull back counter right?
All right, I'm sure your pullback counter right is gonna
work on Connor. I'm punching back. I think I could win. Yes,

(32:09):
full Ridolfo Pilato facts. Dude, I'm pulling a Bilato out here.
Fucking he feels so privileged, thinks he can punch anybody
he wants. I mean, yeah, this is just a bad
look again from Connor McGregor. What are we supposed to
say at this point? I wonder what the guy said
to him. It probably had to do with a bee.

(32:30):
You know, that's probably the only thing I can imagine
that would set him off that quickly, or like Mike
Chicken or like, you know, you tap like Chicken, some
dumb shit. But still, yeah, I'm not surprised. It doesn't
surprise me. It's just another long line of like Connor
being an idiot. Damn that dude did hit the floor
floor Oh my god. Gregor's then shielded from clubgoers by

(32:54):
his own friends. Okay, then what happens and we just
stand there and it just kind of goes back. Your
wof is Ammy Dams. Hey, baby, someone said that man
Terres McKinnie. What the hell that man gonna get paid
for fighting Connor? Before? Chandler not defending Connor here because

(33:15):
nothing really can justify this. But it got to wonder
what the man said to him. If the first thing
that we ask is what did the guy say to him?
I think we're thinking about this the wrong way. Not
to excuse the guy for just popping up at the
mouth and saying some crazy shit, but he didn't physically
put hands on him, at least not in this video.
We didn't see anything like that. Someone says something you
don't like, you can't haul off and assault him. Dude,
It's not how the world works. And Connor has probably

(33:36):
had a ton of of, you know, civil suits that
he's had to settle for doing shit like that. We
probably don't even know about some of them. He probably
said something about his kids. Why why are you keep spamming?
He probably said something about his kids. What would this
guy walk up to Connor McGregor and be like, your
kids are shit? Like?

Speaker 15 (33:52):
What?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Why would anybody do that? Why would you guys are
saying he talked about Connor's family?

Speaker 8 (33:56):
Who?

Speaker 1 (33:57):
What? Why? Maybe the guy was drunk, So when you
get drunk, you go up to if there's a celebrity
near you, you start bad mouthing their kids. No, dude, The
more likely option is he said something about Connor's fighting
ability or habib or his whiskey or things that Connor's
known for, not like, hey, fuck you and your kids.

(34:18):
And even if he did say that new Conbo starter,
even if he said something about Connor's wife, you still
can't punch him in the fucking face. I'm not saying
that the guy's right for doing it if that's what happened,
but you can't. You can't assault people for just saying
things to you. The guy has absolutely no reason to
say anything about his kids exactly. You guys are making
up a scenario, dude. Unless this is like some fucking

(34:39):
Canahan Irish mob thing that Connor is I've heard at
least got some loose connections to potentially, which is again
another seventh layer of hair. Yeah, he probably said something
about the whiskey or something about Connor's fighting ability. I
know you guys are fans of Connor. I am one
of the biggest American born fans of Connor McGregor. Is

(34:59):
it just the truth. I loved Connor McGregor. I loved
his fight style, I loved his attitude, I loved his commitment.
I loved all of it. I loved the old story
but you have to call a spade a spade. The
guy when he gets liquored up when he's out at
a club, I don't even know if it's liquor. I
think it's just Connor's natural ego that comes to the
surface and the liquor helps it get there. Because you
can blame the liquor, you can blame the and you

(35:21):
can blame the drugs all you want, but at a
certain point they're just a reflection of the personality type
you've become. Like old Connor was not like that old Connor.
When I say old Connor, I mean before money. You
could say money did it to him. I don't know.
But ego, even in the face of like people not
believing in him, wasn't that When he had a little
bit of money and he started developing an ego and

(35:41):
started to beat around fans and people that you know,
outside of just Ireland. This stuff started happening more and more. Really,
when he started losing and people started heckling more and more.
Maybe the guy handed him the wrong coke. Money just
showed Connor's true colors. I don't know, man, because I
don't think that money enhances something you already are sometimes
I think it can turn you into something that you

(36:02):
weren't before. Like I think money changes people, I really do.
I think that it can be mitigated for sure, and
you can still be the same person who always were.
But I think having that amount of money and a
lack of supervision or a lack of trustworthy people around
you to keep you grounded can change you. Yeah, punching
the old dude in the bar least we forget this one.

(36:25):
I'm sure this old guy said something about his family too, right. Nope,
just did not want to drink Connor's whiskey, and Connor
hauled off and punched him. Vacsuage's changing. I think I'm
changing for the better. I'm in a committed relationship, kind
of take care of my family. All of that, Connor

(36:45):
could have killed him, Loki, Connor just fell into a
dark place and hasn't gotten out of it. I mean,
did he fall into a dark place or did he
walk into it willingly? Because he's had ever opportunity to
change his trajectory and how he is either perceived in
the public or the things that he gets himself into.
These are decisions, you know what I mean? When he
threw that dolly through that bus. He wasn't thinking about
the people on the bus. He was thinking about revenge.

(37:07):
It was a decision punched that old dude. He wasn't
thinking about in anything, I guess, but rage and up.
So he was embarrassed. I guess. I don't know this thing,
same thing embarrassed. Probably Connor could probably, no joke. I'm
not a huge believer in therapy for everything, but Connor
could use therapy, I think definitely. Because I think he
is the macho bravado ego of Connor McGregor won't allow

(37:31):
him to accept what's happened to him in the second
part of his career. I think that's what it really is,
and all this pent up like I have to maintain
that person that I was before. I have to maintain
this invincibility to himself because no one else believes it.
That he gotta believe it. Wade, you also defecate in
the streets I do, the mean streets of Orange County.
Connor's gonna be on the therapist, but like think about it,

(37:55):
he still won't accept he lost to Habib. He won't
accept he lost to Dustin Poor and got knocked out
by Dustin Pourier. Let's not forget that Connor got knocked out, cold,
slumped on the floor by Dustin Poier. I don't think
he accepts that, only he accepts the b bloss I
think those things still probably eat at him because if
you strip everything away from Connor McGregor, one thing you
could say about him is he's a fighter. Wade. Let's

(38:16):
not act like it wasn't a robbery. Yeah, he's a
fighter and that's where all of his pride is. Do
you think he changed after the Floyd fight. I think
he got a little bit more complacent after the Floyd fight. Yeah,
I think that absolutely. That boxing money made him more complacent,
so that he took more time away from MMA, and
by the time he came back to MMA, the game
had changed. He was obviously not as fresh, he was

(38:37):
not as prepared, he wasn't as switched on. It was
more revenge that brought him back versus the ability to
be the greatest, which is all he wanted to be beforehand.
Dustin Bourier made the calfkick blow up after the Connor fight. No,
that's the thing, is like, Yeah, the calfkick, you know,
got a lot of attention, But the cafkick had already
had attention before that. Before Connor got hit with the calfkick.

(38:57):
We had DJ doing it to Henry so Who. We
had Sean O'Malley getting hit with it. We had TJ.
Dillashat doing it. We had a lot of people doing
it before that. Ever got Benson Henderson was the one
that essentially created it before Connor got hit with that.
Dustin only started doing it because it was done to him,
but when it happened to Connor more people went, oh
my god, look at it. It had already been four years.

(39:19):
That's one of the more ironic things about it, and
the thing that Connor still doesn't do and probably won't
because he want ever fight. There were no checks, but
Connor was in an era of MMA that did not
include it. And when he left and started doing the
boxing and then he came back and fought Habib want Abibe,
not really known as a kicker, that part of the
game is something he didn't even spar against. He didn't

(39:39):
even see in sparring, let alone in a fight until
Dustin Pourier brought it to his front door, like oh shit,
So yeah, man, this is just another instance, and you
get to a point where you're like, what do we
even say? I'm fully done with thinking Connor is ever
going to fight again. I think that ship is sailed.
But he's talking about wanting to be a politician, and
I don't know who took that seriously. Maybe again his
own delusion believes that's gonna happen. I've been to Ireland,

(40:00):
I've been to Dublin and they don't even like him there.
And I hate to say it, but they don't even
like him. I talk to people that I'm around, whether
it was taxi drivers, bartenders, servers, workers in retail, anybody,
I could kind of work it into the conversation. They're
probably tired of it because Americans probably asked all the
time about him, but I would try to work it
into the conversation. This was in twenty twenty three, just

(40:23):
to see, like do they even like this guy? And
the answer was always no, we're embarrassed by him. We
don't like him. And that's sad because he was carrying
the flag for those people. And now what he's gonna
run for political office with stuff like this still happening.
How can you trust a man again? Hypothetically, because of
course this would never really happen. But how could you
trust a man to run your country when he can't

(40:45):
even run his life. He is so dysfunctional in the
way that he acts and carries himself. Why would you
even think that he's someone not only to run your country,
but to look up to in the country. It's goofy shit, man,
I really don't know. It kind of worries me too,
to be like, what's gonna happen with this guy? Is
he's just gonna flame out and you know, raise his

(41:06):
kids and be the old scorn fighter that pushes his
son into fighting and does all that. Maybe, but I'm
not expecting the old Connor anymore. I'm not expecting that.
And when I say the old Connor, if he's not fighting,
someone that is around the sport, someone that is dedicated
to his family and the sport or something to where
he's not just a party animal like this and doing
stupid shit, I don't expect it anymore. Though John Fury

(41:28):
two point zero legit, legit looks like that could be
where he's hed a no joke how he hasn't seen
jail time. I mean, Connor is well connected, obviously, in
Ireland as well, super well connected and can probably pay
off a lot of people that would press charges. Why
the UFC aren't releasing him makes no sense. It's a
lose lose if you release Connor because if you release
him then you don't get to potentially make money off him,

(41:49):
and whatever he does in the future, it means that
you'll probably never have the opportunity to bring him back.
Like then you give Connor all the control. He went
to court for the bus incident, right, but he didn't
go to jail. That's what I'm saying. They stop him
from boxing, they stop him from bare knuckle. You don't
want to give up that money because then you give
Connor control and Connor can say, you know, I don't
want to come back. I want to do this, this
this for the rest of my career. It's kind of

(42:10):
fucked up. I'm not gonna lie, But at the same time,
that's business, you know what I'm saying. I got nothing
else to say other than Connor. It just continues to disappoint,
that's really. It just continues to disappoint MMA fans and
the people that cared about his legacy, the people he
inspired with his run up to the belt, him winning
the belt to time Champ, all that, but it's nothing new.

(42:31):
I expect more of this from Connor. I expect continuous dysfunction,
and I expect him to end up the old, bitter,
scorned fighter that never got over the two most impactful
losses of his career, and it's drove him to just
be whatever this version of him is. It's sad. I
saw a video today, or a clip from a video today,

(42:52):
of Vidal watching his fight back against Chef Clark with
none other than mister drumroll. Please K that's right, mister KSI.
Do we not care? Do we care about Logan breaking
his leg? Why not throw a parade? I mean, we
don't care. Like he'll he'll be fine, mister KSI sat

(43:14):
down with val Riley to talk about Vdal's fight, but
also to talk about KSI's fight, which at this point
I want to make clear of the dow fucking goat.
You know what I'm saying. Their British champion about to
have another fight coming up. But today's video I want
to talk about KSI, of course, because I want to
know what his mindset was off the Tommy Fury loss.
We've heard him say he didn't lose it. We've heard

(43:35):
him say he thought he won, but we haven't heard
why he boxed the way he boxed. We've only seen
that that's what he did, right, because one of the
biggest things that Ksi was able to do that others weren't,
including Jake, was able to stifle Tommy a little bit,
was able to make the fight a little bit more
rough and tumble, was able to make it a bit
of a slop fest because both him and Tommy were
very sloppy toppy, and they didn't have the greatest performance,

(44:00):
but the fight was close because of some of the
things JJ was doing. So I've always asked the question why,
why was that the approach? And is it beneficial for
Ksi if he is to take the rematch, if he
is to ever box again, does he need to switch
things up? And when potentially can that happen. Let's get
into it the breakdown. Let's go.

Speaker 15 (44:21):
Take a look chat to lean back from the initial one.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah boom boom fact yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 15 (44:28):
So how do you feel?

Speaker 16 (44:29):
Yeah, so last time you got in the ring was Tommy?
Was Tommy? How did you feel going into that last round?

Speaker 14 (44:39):
I felt like I was winning, yeah, and I was like,
all right, I got like try and make a statement.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, It's like screw it, Like you know, this is
a big moment.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I like that mindset. By the way, if you look,
if you think back on the Ksi Tommy fight, the
rounds are super murky, right, not a lot of punches
landed from either guy. I think Tommy had a point
taken away at a certain point in the fight as well,
and for that last round. Kasi has been in a
couple of different fights now where the last round is
the most important round, and he tends to make a

(45:14):
statement in those last rounds to either pull back even
with Logan for a draw or beat Logan a second
time by essentially winning those last rounds or they last round.
And when he needs to make a statement or when
he needs to to win a moment, he's got the
heart to do it. So I like the mentality there,
like I gotta go and do something. I gotta make

(45:35):
it happen, not like, oh I just got to survive
this round and I win. Oh I just need to
to box on the outside and and you know, touch
him up a little bit and then I win. He's like, no,
I need to go win this. I love the mindset.

Speaker 14 (45:46):
I'm shot it. I'm not good because I've been bouncing
the whole time.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (45:50):
Yeah, because I knew if I, if I didn't bounce, broll,
he would have just cut the ring off.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Because this is.

Speaker 16 (45:59):
What you was saying, Because when me and Leon made
the video and we were saying about like why was
he bouncing, then you were saying that you felt like
if you didn't do that, that he would be able to.

Speaker 15 (46:11):
Make it, would make it easier for so much. Yeah,
because I think that threw him off. Yeah.

Speaker 14 (46:15):
Yeah, and because you know, he's been boxing for most
of his life.

Speaker 15 (46:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (46:19):
So I just knew, like if I just stood there
like for you know, with a little bit of movement,
he would have just come through with shots. And then
I would have been like that And then.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Well, I mean, okay, what is this chaos? I vers
Tommy made me pro ch Are we for real?

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
What the fuck? This is essentially chaos? I admitting that
he is not technically as good a boxer to be
able to compete with Tommy by boxing in the in
the traditional sense, And I kind of like that. That's
a little bit of self reflection to say, you know what,
I have to do some things differently to be able

(46:59):
to compete at this level. And he's right, he's not
a traditional boxer. He's not someone that trained this sport
for years and years. He's gonna have to take and
if you want to call it shortcuts or you want
to talk about it being a different route, he's gonna
have to do something to even the playing field and
him standing bladed and being a little bit more elusive
even look, you know the balance whatever, But just being

(47:21):
in and out being bladed and leaving it up to
Tommy to try to risk things, to get to range,
to to throw more output, but also be in the
firing line longer is not a bad strategy. There is, however,
a peak to that, as in, if you get good

(47:42):
at doing just that and not the fundamentals of boxing,
you're going to plateau at a certain level, and once
somebody figures out how to handle just an unorthodox fighter,
then it's going to be curtains right, especially if you're
going in to a rematch where someone has seen it before.

(48:02):
This is why I've always thought, you know, KSI as
a once in a while boxer can work because if
you only see him so much, there isn't a lot
of game footage or game tape on him to be
able to make a ton of adjustments. Right, But if
KSI is continuously doing this and people get more and

(48:24):
more tape, eventually you're gonna run into a guy that
has better fundamentals, that understands how to implement the fundamentals.
His technique is training his experience and figure out very
quickly how to shut down one to two to three
good things you do and leave you exposed. So this
is the only thing that when I come back and
I wonder what KSI is going to do next, I

(48:49):
don't know how long he's gonna be able to get
away with this. Right, he can get away with it,
and has gotten away with it up until this point.
But when you're relying on I don't want to call
it a because it isn't. But when you're relying on
a specific skill set and you haven't built the fundamentals
to go with that skill set to be able to
change and add new wrinkles to it, and add new

(49:13):
wrinkles to your game based off the foundation that you
have in the sport, then eventually it's gonna let you down.
It's kind of one of those things. It's like your
biggest strength is your biggest weakness. What got you to
the dance eventually will be what removes you from it
if you stay in too long and if you overexpose it. Right.

(49:34):
So for Chase, I, I don't mind the strategy because
Tommy had never seen anything like that. He never seen
anything like that. I don't care what he says about, Mate.
I've spawned people like you in the street, Mate, they
come out of pubs. Mate. No, he's never seen anything
like that, but now that he has, it may be

(49:55):
and should be a bit more easy for him to navigate.
And Cassi's probably right. Had he stood there and tried
to box without being in and out of range, without
being elusive and hard to hit, and being lighter on
his feet, he probably would have gotten beaten, knocked out.
I don't know, Well, Tommy doesn't really knock out many people,
but he probably would have gotten beat So I don't

(50:15):
mind the strategy. I would just implore KSI if he's
gonna continue to box, that he takes this time off.
I know he's got hands ury, but he takes this
time off to get back to the fundamentals to lay
a foundation for what happens when either I get too
tired from constantly being on the move. And again, this
was a six round fight. It's a six round fight.

(50:37):
What happens when he goes eight? What happens when he
goes ten? Listen, I'm not acting like I can do
six rounds and be fresh because I can't. Fucking you
guys saw me in four rounds. I can't fight for
very long. But I'm also not trying to fight Jake
Paul trying to fight Tommy for you, or he trying
to to you know, be at that level. So if

(50:59):
that's the case, KSI is gonna have to find something
to give himself either some rest time or to fall
back on, because just doing the bounce saves you from,
you know, being in a Marcus of Queensberry technical boxing match,
but it also will lead to his detriment. I think,

(51:23):
who do I think won the five? I thought it
was a draw. I did. I thought it was a draw.
I didn't think that Tommy did enough to win. I thought,
if anything, ks I had done enough to gain a draw.
Sometimes you gotta pretend you didn't read some of these comments.
You did, Yeah, Jaden, I don't know a fucking weird
anyway back to it.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
I don't know what to do with it.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Freezes Tommy a bit right, It freezes him. It freezes
him this bounce because cas I can dart and jump in.
It freezes him. A draw with a one point deduction. Yes,
why is that a question? Go ahead, write your scorecards out.

(52:07):
Get the fingers moving on the on the keyboard. I
thought it was a draw, but no for ks I
two again, your first time against that. It's very difficult
to maneuver one. It's not even the bounce to me,
it's more of the bladed stands. Cassi can hide his
right hand really well with the bladed stands. I'd have

(52:31):
to go back and rewatch the fight to rescore it. Bird,
But if you like to score it, go ahead. Having
the lead shoulder hide your back shoulder is so much
of an advantage if you can keep it hidden and
not get into clinch situations. A ton. They clinched a ton,

(52:52):
but Tommy didn't do anything besides jab his way to
clinch and then try to release. I don't care how
it was scored. I care about how I saw the fight.
I looked at it as a draw. I couldn't give
a fuck about point deduction. I didn't see anybody do
anything enough to win the fight. It was a sloppy
fight that either fighter didn't do enough to win. I

(53:14):
couldn't care about the scorecard of the fight, couldn't give
a shit. Cassi, in my opinion, didn't lose, but he
also didn't look like he did anything to win. Tommy,
in my opinion, didn't lose. Cass I never really heard him.
There was such a lack of punches thrown and landed,

(53:37):
and it looked like two guys that had a sloppy
fight and no one really separated themselves. But I didn't
think as I lost. I thought he looked better than
I thought he would look as well, bird Like I said,
I'd have to go back and watch the fight. You
guys get so hung up on Oh my god, how
did you score round one, two, three, four, five. It's

(53:58):
fucking two years later. I don't know how I scored
the goddamn fight, Jesus. What I remember was there were
very close rounds that most punches were landed either in
the clinch as they were being separated, or a jab
here and there. I think Cassi landed the most meaningful
shot of the fight early, but it was it was

(54:21):
not a great fight to watch as far as like
the technique of it. It was a fun fight to
watch for me because it was a moment. You know,
it was a moment that I didn't expect to happen,
you know what I mean. I thought Cassi was gonna
get overwhelmed by volume and that time. He was at

(54:46):
some point going to learn how to keep himself at
range and not smother his work. But he hasn't. Cassi
took advantage of the fact that Tommy couldn't just jab,
and when he couldn't just jab, he smothered himself and
ca I was right there to try to land in
the clinch and then they'd separate and again and again
and again. And that was kind of it. But before

(55:08):
we got off topic, because I'm now thinking about how
to score around from fucking two years ago, I think
that cas I did exactly what his skill set allowed
him to do. I wasn't a big fan of the
game plan from Team shoot Fighters right, especially the part

(55:30):
where they were like, uh, let's let's clinch him and
hope he hits you. In the back of the head.
That was a bit of an odd one. And by
the way, both fighters hit each other in the back
of the head multiple times, Tommy was not the only
guy that hit somebody in the back of the head.
Uh So, I wasn't a big fan of that, but yeah,

(55:55):
cas I had to kind of fight that way or
and he's kind of explaining it there he would have lost,
And that's not a bad thing to admit to me.
That's that's having some self introspect and going, yeah, you know,
this is what we had to do because he was
gonna he was gonna do that, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's not a bad thing to me. But it's interesting

(56:18):
to hear him talk about it because all we've heard
him say is I think I won, you know, And.

Speaker 14 (56:23):
I mean he was trying to establish this job. But
because I was never really there.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah, it's because cass I wasn't there or he was here, right,
There was a very stark difference between Like cass I
just never boxed in the mid range, point blank, That's
what happened. Guess. I never boxed in that mid range.
He was either clinch range, inside or out of range. Completely,

(56:49):
and yeah, that was gonna frustrate Tommy because Tommy, he
likes to work in the mid range too close, likes
to close with the jab. If you're not there while
he's closing and then in between you're there, it's gonna
fuck him up.

Speaker 15 (57:01):
But the last round, you're thinking.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Statement, Yeah, I mean you have to like, do you.

Speaker 16 (57:07):
Feel that it was close or did you feel that
he was winning but you still wanted to put a statement.

Speaker 14 (57:13):
I think I felt like I felt like it was close,
but I thought because of the back of the headshot
and him losing a point and you know, me hitting
him quite a few times, especially in the clint, I
was like, Okay, I've won this, but I need to
just make.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Sure right attitude, perfect attitude, regardless of what you're doing,
to be able to go. You know what, I still
need to make a statement that's the right attitude to have.
I like it. Tommy said he brought people in to
do what JJ does, But there's not really anybody that
does what JJ does that Tommy could bring in unless

(57:50):
he found fucking MVP to come do it.

Speaker 16 (57:52):
You know what I'm saying, yeah's me getting into the
last round here, I'm thinking Okay, I'm winning, can Yeah,
I don't have to stop just like.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
I could have.

Speaker 15 (58:04):
Let's let's do it.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah yeah, like you didn't even need to do that.

Speaker 16 (58:12):
But you know, if you don't watch boxing, it's just like, okay,
he won, but what happened.

Speaker 15 (58:19):
That?

Speaker 14 (58:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (58:20):
Yeah, kind of just too cool.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Validity. Yeah, I've been saying to you, like in public online.

Speaker 15 (58:30):
No, like the whole everyone's opinion has changed now every
people say that your YouTube trust serious.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
There has been a flip on VDAL for sure, from
the from the public, like the UK sports public especially,
there's been a flip obviously, people in this community, people
in ks I community. Uh, you know, influencer boxing fans
in general always felt like, regardless of what that did
and the influencer boxing side, that he has real talent.

(59:03):
I still think he has elite level talent for cruiserweight,
but that that's you know, something he has to still
go do. But a lot of the UK pundits right
and former boxers didn't think that way. They thought of
him as the guy the YouTuber that boxes not knowing
he was, I mean, either not knowing or not caring
to know that he was a super decorated amateur Eddie

(59:26):
Hearn thought chev Clark was the better amateur and pro.
Uh he got found out. You know what I'm saying.
There's just a lot of people that that maybe because
the age, the inactivity, that I'll take time off from
the sport for a while. I don't know, the YouTube stuff,
the music whatever. They just didn't see it and and
the rest of us did. We should be vindicated chat Yeah.

Speaker 15 (59:46):
Yeah, I mean so now everyone's finally with it. People
are not actually like, no, that guy come bucks.

Speaker 16 (59:53):
But we've been saying that, Yeah, seven years off the
wet the British title.

Speaker 15 (01:00:03):
Yeah, okay, yeah, he's my mandatory.

Speaker 16 (01:00:07):
So he's been naking some noise saying he's he wants
to go next. This guy he's my mandatory. Okay, yeah,
he's my mandatory. So he's been naking some noise saying
he's he wants to go next. Yeah, and I'm like, cool,
is it right? I'm ready to get it back in
the ring.

Speaker 15 (01:00:26):
September, miss scrap sick September.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Hold on a second, but now coming back in September,
do you think he has an opportunity to get on
the Canelo and Terrence Crawford underguard in Vegas. I think
for the British title, they may want to do it
in the UK, which would probably make more sense. And

(01:00:55):
it's probably just me being selfish wanting my boy to
get a spotlight, but hey, you never know. That's right.
The the U bank have been too uh. Rematches also
scheduled for September.

Speaker 14 (01:01:07):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I just wish he was on Netflix. That'd be cool. Man,
what a spot. But it's if they're gonna put him
on that undergard I think that's another great spot for
him as well. They'd have to they'd have to put
him in somewhere, Like, you can't defend the British boxing
title in Vegas, you gotta do it in England, you got, Yeah,
I don't think. I don't think that'd be a bad thing.

(01:01:31):
I'm just saying that Vegas car would be nice.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
That's it.

Speaker 16 (01:01:34):
So he's got to come in off the title. Okay,
So he's gonna come ye British and coming off title fan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, yeah, two belts to.

Speaker 15 (01:01:45):
Sounds good to me. Why he's onder this?

Speaker 12 (01:01:47):
Yeah, I'm gonna cut the ring down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I'm gonna him out.

Speaker 15 (01:01:52):
I'm gonna cut that ring down. He's talking that stuff
record what was it eight in one or none of one?
Something that he lost early in his career.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
High rumored for the comine on Netflix. Oh my god,
there's no way. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. JJ sounds
like a hungry, hungry hippo dude. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah
yeah bro, if that happens, I might ship my pants.
If Opataia fights Benavidez, which ben Vida's been coming up

(01:02:27):
from light heavyweight, that'd be another move up, which is fine.
He's a fucking beast anyway, but oh my lord, that
would be insane.

Speaker 15 (01:02:40):
Good run since but then he should just continue to run.
But he wants to trouble with me, so let's do it.
Let's do it. So I had to make sure, Yeah
I addressed him as the mandator. Okay, sick, but yeah, man,
this is a wow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah yeah, it's be good to see.

Speaker 14 (01:02:59):
What Yeah did these highlights come on? Yeah, there's a
huge there's a huge amount of people who know of you.
And you know, the more times I see, especially when
you have like fights against like the top top guys,
that's what I will be like, yeah, yeah, yeah that's

(01:03:23):
oh and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Then they're looking this isn't video to copyright strike this
is a video, but yeah, he probably won't.

Speaker 16 (01:03:30):
Again, just not allowed to do If you're going to
be successful in this, then you're not allowed to have
a YouTube channel. Now every fighter's got ye Anyway, It's
just that I was the first to do it in
this side of Ryan. But I'd say u K wise,
I was probably the first boxer on this route to

(01:03:52):
invest in socials.

Speaker 15 (01:03:54):
Ryan obviously done it in the US.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Yeah, I mean other fighters have since gotten social media
and YouTube channels and a j and those guys. But yeah,
I think that I might be the first one the UK.

Speaker 15 (01:04:07):
Here who is in the briefcase we do?

Speaker 7 (01:04:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Yeah, react, Wait where's the clip about Jake?

Speaker 12 (01:04:17):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:04:17):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
So okay, okay.

Speaker 16 (01:04:22):
So did you did you get a chance to see
this fight? Did you Ship's entrance? You admit it's a
good song, but the same obviously the better.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Entrance was my god, dang it to me, what do you.

Speaker 15 (01:04:34):
Mean, Oh, you're giving us credit?

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:04:36):
Are you giving us in tile.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
We were j or?

Speaker 15 (01:04:43):
Do you think you do it on purpose?

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I don't do on purpose?

Speaker 15 (01:04:46):
All right?

Speaker 16 (01:04:47):
Anyway, I was reacting to immedia and Leon Dunney.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I gotta get the Jake clip off. It makes sense
for the video.

Speaker 15 (01:05:00):
Oh school, we were doing it in the SI. This
is to the fact, so he's the first. How about you? Yeah,
because it's been on tour.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Briefcase, Brah, help me chat. God dang it, someone said,
search the transcripts. Excuse me. Okay, hold on, you always

(01:05:36):
get the LEO. You're gonna have to figure out the
way to chop this video.

Speaker 14 (01:05:43):
Oh Jake Pool versus Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm still
getting that.

Speaker 16 (01:05:47):
I'm still getting But that's because he's saying, you wants
to be champion.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
And yeah, this is stupid, man, It's just so pointless.

Speaker 15 (01:05:55):
He's saying he wants to be world champion.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
So yeah by beating Tyson, crazy bro.

Speaker 15 (01:06:00):
So he needs to. I don't know, man, I don't know.

Speaker 16 (01:06:02):
I feel like that that fight is always people always
gonna say that for as long as.

Speaker 15 (01:06:07):
That same way people say about you.

Speaker 16 (01:06:08):
Yeah, it's the same to me, because he's literally blending
the blurring the light. Yeah, he's like, I'm gonna be
world champion, and he's like, yeah, I'll beat you up.

Speaker 15 (01:06:19):
And then I'm like, this guy's coming into my section.
So he's just active in it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
He's just he is active. I said this yesterday, Uh,
when I saw the clip for the first time. But
KSI is a generational hater of Jake bawl Like, that's
the truest way to describe that, you know, generational hater,
And there's nothing wrong with that, because he's a rival
of Jake, right, and they've been rivals even before the boxing,

(01:06:46):
the music and everything else. He's just a generational hater.
I saw a clip of Jake uh the other day
in Puerto Rico or somewhere doing a workout talking about, Oh,
he's too busy crying about his song, crying about his
he's a video. He he's too busy fighting off the
haters of his music. Can you fighting me? They both
take potshots at each other, right. It is a little

(01:07:08):
ironic because JJ is like, mister defy the odds, mister
like test yourself, mister prove everyone wrong. So for him
to be like, oh, it's stupid for Jake to want
to be a world champ. Eh, that's like people saying like, oh,
it's stupid for kas I don't want to make music, right,
because that's not what he's good at. That's not what
you know he's known for. He's a YouTuber. I don't

(01:07:31):
think JJ would say this if it was anybody other
than Jake, right, I think he would be like, Noah,
go Chase, go do what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
People are gonna say that it's impossible, but you can
go do it. But because him and Jake are fucking
bitter rivals, of course he's gonna have a little bit
of hater raid ready. You know what I'm saying, hot
and ready, these weak arms are heavy type shit. Uh
So that's kind of like, you know, all right, a

(01:07:57):
little bit of hater aid there. But at the same time,
I think JJ also wants to Jake Paul fight. I
think that's part of it too. He just wants it,
you know what I'm saying. I think he's like, no,
don't worry about that, come fight me.

Speaker 15 (01:08:13):
This showed just a good level the levels, you know.

Speaker 16 (01:08:17):
I mean, I'm trying to think DC and they were
doing these people in between, so I think that one actually.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Don't like well, so a lot of people were like,
oh my god, that was weird. How Turkey and and
and I don't really know. I guess it's because of
the whole they don't do ring card girls, but like
they had like stand ins of like Ed Sheeran in
New York. There was Hult Cogan. Uh, that one's apparently
Anthony Joshua look alike. It's just like I didn't understand

(01:08:48):
any of it, dude. One of them was a Snoop
Dog look alike. But uh yeah, that was that was
an odd part of the whole thing. Can you become
world champion without fighting anyone in the rankings? Uh, technically
you can't. You can become one by fighting a contender
that's ranked for a vacant belt, or you fight the
person that has the actual belt. But the rankings can

(01:09:10):
be manipulated. Let's not get that mistaken. These sanctioning bodies
can just rank people. Devin Haney's ranked at one forty
seven despite never fighting there many pakiaw just got put
back into the rankings after however many years off at
forty six years old. It can be manipulated. But I
think Jake, you know, if he is to become a

(01:09:32):
world champion, he's gonna have to He's gonna have to
fight some really really tough competition. I still don't think
it's possible, but you never know. You never know, because
Jake doesn't care about a domestic belt. Being a world
champion is what he cares about, so he doesn't want
to take the traditional run to it. He wants to
find a way to beat names like Chavez Junior potentially,

(01:09:57):
you know, somebody else with a massive name that has
a hiss of being a high level boxer, and then
use that to parlay it into getting shoved into the
rankings and fighting for a belt. So take short cuts. Absolutely.
I don't think that's like that's clear to see. If
you ask Jake if he's gonna fight for a domestic bell,

(01:10:17):
he's gonna tell you no. Of course, I think everybody
knows that. Everybody knows that Jake is going to take
a shortcut and has taken a shortcut in the sport
of boxing. He didn't fight amateur at all. If he
gets to a world title belt, it won't be because
he fought number one, two, three, four, five ranked to

(01:10:41):
fight his way through that. It'll be because, like I said,
he fights guys like Chavez, potentially fights someone like uh.
I don't like this fight for Javonte Davis and Canelo
or anything else, But what would you have him?

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Do?

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
You know? Like Jake is a is a bit of
a unicorn, you know, it's not like he can like
it's almost dumb for him to try to do that.
It's almost like it's stupid for him to try to
fight all these ranked guys with the name as big
as he is, with one loss being pretty much the
end of it. It doesn't make sense for him to

(01:11:17):
run through the Gautlin. And by the way, I think
a bunch of these boxers would be like, oh yeah,
I'd do that shit too. If I could, you know,
I would go and fight fucking whoever else. If that's
how I could do it, then I would. That's the point.
I'm not saying it's the right way to earn a
world title, not saying it's the traditional way, and not

(01:11:38):
saying it's even the best way for the like the
continuity of the sport. But that's just that's what has
to be done for Jake to even get that shot.
To me, I don't see him fighting four through one
ranked you know. Yeah, it's kind of the same thing

(01:11:59):
as you know, people like Better Biev and Daniel Dubois
calling Jake out for a fight. You know, it's the
same kind of thing. But anyway, there is u Ksi
talking with Vidal Riley about his fight with Tommy Fury,
them chatting about him and Jake. Paul Listen, I don't

(01:12:19):
know if we're ever gonna get Ksi back in a ring.
I hope so, but I don't know. And if he
does get back, I still don't think we're getting the
Jake fight, at least not right away. Maybe somewhere down
the line, maybe he'll be a Floyd and Manny situation
where we get it when they're both way too old
and the lack of people caring are still around. But
we'll see. I want to see if Ksi does fight

(01:12:42):
for eight rounds, how he looks, if he decides to
switch up and stop being so bladed and you know,
so active on his feet, how that helps or hurts him?
And does he if this time off right, with all
this time he's gonna have to to recover from surgery,
does he go back can work more on the fundamental
foundation of boxing. That's what I want to see, because

(01:13:05):
that will take him to a different level, That will
take him to a place where he has an advantage
of using a technique in a style it's a little
different from everybody else. But when he combines it with
the fundamentals of a jab and other things, I think
that can make him a lot more dangerous than he

(01:13:27):
already is. It's just a matter of will he commit
to doing it because it's not fun. Trust me to
work on the fundamentals. It's not flashy, it's not even
a hard workout. It's just frustrating, painstaking technique, drilling to
make sure that you don't have to think about it anymore.
A jab won't win you fights, it absolutely will. I

(01:13:52):
really worry that you guys don't watch the sport. I
truly worry. If you think a jab can't win you
a boxing match, you're out of your mind. Sometimes a
jab alone by itself can win you a boxing match.

(01:14:13):
It was w Ra's bab you motherfucker. Anyway, I don't
have the answers for what happens next with Ksi or Vidal.
He's got a fight coming up. I hope he wins.
I hope it's a big spotlight for him comin event
something like that. But as of right now, I have
no idea what happens next for either guy. I guess
we'll find out. Folks, We're back on the way concept

(01:14:35):
presented by the Ring Magazine video that was just dropped
about four hours ago. Demitrius Johnson teaches KSI tough lesson
in MMA and BJJ a mighty journey. I knew this
video was coming out because I work with some of
the same people that Mighty Mouse works with on the
back end of my channel. So yeah, I was excited

(01:14:55):
about this. I did not know what it would be.
I was hoping there would be more boxing. I don't
know that there is or isn't, but uh, let's take
a look as Dimitrius Johnson took a day and trained
with KSI.

Speaker 12 (01:15:09):
And then who comes to the door?

Speaker 15 (01:15:10):
KSI shows up?

Speaker 12 (01:15:12):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
He'll do it?

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I don't It's probably not KSI's bag.
It's probably just the coach's bag. But this is the
most ironic image based on the things said about Kassy's coaches,
literally just bad carriers.

Speaker 12 (01:15:28):
Have you ever done any like grappling or learning any
jiu jitsu?

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
So I did. I did a little bit with Bisbaing
and heris.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
I mean, if you're getting now, granted, KSI has no
grappling zero and most of the UK fight scene for
a very long time. Not that ks I needed to
learn how to grapple whatever. EJJ is not taught in
the UK, at least not until recently. It was not
one of the arts that a lot of British fighters use.
Wrestling as well. You get a lot of strikers, a

(01:16:00):
lot of kickboxers, a lot of moy tie even some
I mean more Dutch kickboxing than Muay Thai, but all
that in Europe. But recently you're starting to see more
jiu jitsu, I mean even in the UFC, guys like
Patty Pimblet. Obviously tom Asminal has got great jiu jitsu,
But historically you're not gonna see a ton of guys
that would be great grapplers coming out of the UK,

(01:16:20):
which is why when Bisbee is throwing you around again,
case I has no experience or whatever. But Bisbe's big
thing used to be hated fighting grapplers. But he has
enough to still put it on kisses.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
So he's a little bit smaller than me.

Speaker 14 (01:16:35):
So I think I've got a little bit chance this time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Okay, I'm thinking we try wrestling for that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Thou not like one dollar?

Speaker 14 (01:16:45):
Yeah, yeah, I've never done you stay in the bubble.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Then next to boring, they should have boxed. Why did
I do any boxing? Not like hard smarring, but like
text barring. They should have done some of that.

Speaker 12 (01:16:57):
So, so we're gonna do We're gonna do a very
basic move, Okay, very basic. Okay. So what I'm gonna do,
I'm gonna do it to you and you're gonna do
it to me. Okay, Okay.

Speaker 17 (01:17:04):
It's called the single, a single leg I know, a single.
So I'm gonna grab a single and we do this
to work our balance. Okay, right, So I'm gonna shoot
in boom single and you're.

Speaker 12 (01:17:14):
Just gonna hop around.

Speaker 17 (01:17:16):
Okay, it's just gonna hop around, keep a balance here, yeah, okay, yeah,
it's pretty.

Speaker 12 (01:17:20):
Easy, but it's comfortable. Get exceptually salty, yes, right, and
then now we put this one down.

Speaker 17 (01:17:27):
I'm gonna shoot this one boom around.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Okay.

Speaker 17 (01:17:32):
This is this is very basic, right, very basic of
a single lady around.

Speaker 12 (01:17:36):
How would you get out? There's so many way you
get out of it.

Speaker 17 (01:17:40):
I shouldn't people do backflips, Oh, I should leads back
to the put your foot to the ground, put this,
put this foot to.

Speaker 12 (01:17:47):
The ground, put it around. Oh my god, he's not strong. Yeah,
like that right, so you you do?

Speaker 17 (01:17:58):
You got my foot up right, I would brings you
towards me and there like that.

Speaker 12 (01:18:04):
Okay here and I'm ready to put face sense now choke,
I mean, there's so many different things. Or the backflip.
You guys should just do backflips to get out of it.

Speaker 17 (01:18:17):
So you want to focus on try to put this
to the ground by bringing your chest towards me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
So like that.

Speaker 12 (01:18:23):
Ye, but now put your foot to the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Yea.

Speaker 12 (01:18:26):
Yeah, but you're you're you're pushing your butt back, and
push your butt back. Bring your hips in to me
when you're pushing.

Speaker 17 (01:18:31):
Yeah, right, yeah, there's all the that's the way I
should be carrying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Yeah. By the way, grappling strength is way, way way different.
There can be like strong physically strong boxers, but like
I don't know, man, I don't know how to describe
it getting strong and then using that for grappling and
the muscles involved with it. You can feel it when
a guy like goes to take you down or his

(01:19:00):
hands clasped together and they have like grappling strength, it's
like suffocating different muscles, tendon strength probably a lot of
it too, density and maybe in the makeup and like
her bone density matters a lot, but it's it's crazy, man.
A lot of it is like forearm strength, back strength.
Obviously biceps too when you want to squeeze, but it's

(01:19:20):
I had a guy one time and I was I
was like, just starting jiu jitsu just to show me
how hard it is to grapple and how you know,
MMA fighters or whatever they have these great poker faces.
He body triangled me, which is not really a submission
at all. Right, it's just a triangle around your stomach,
and dude, I couldn't breathe. My stomach wouldn't expand I
couldn't breathe. The pressure of it was like, not only that,

(01:19:43):
my ribs too, Like it felt like I was gonna
suffocate and my ribs were gonna break. He was two sixty,
no Bradley Martin. But this, the point remains. That's kind
of strength and that difference, like it's crazy.

Speaker 14 (01:19:52):
Okay, yeah, I want to try and survive.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Uh, we'll get to hotel.

Speaker 12 (01:20:01):
Now do you want to start from top? Where do
you want to start? Because it's all.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
So what's realistically I'd want to start from bottom. I
know that sounds crazy. The reason you would want to
start in in like you know, bottom half guard or whatever,
or just you know bottom full guard, if you have
any amount of training, is because you learn how to
defend yourself off the bottom first. In most jiu jitsu
class you learn how to like defend yourself off your

(01:20:28):
back and get either off your back or to a
better position first. But if you start in mounts and
you don't know like JJ, probably doesn't to stay very
close like chest to chest, get an overgrip, get an underhook,
and hold on for your life just so you can
win the little challenge here. Then you're gonna get flipped.
DJ is gonna bucket hips use the fact that you
have no idea how to distribute your weight, and he's

(01:20:49):
gonna flip you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
We're staying the best way of survival for me, well
all I mean.

Speaker 12 (01:20:54):
For you, Yes, I mean, don't get in the fight
with me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
I guess.

Speaker 12 (01:20:59):
The wave slen.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Like a minute. I'm gonna try and hot for a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Cass I should have started in half guard top, I think,
But then again DJ could just literally regain and either
regain full or just get his hip out shrimp posture
and get up. Well mount might have been the best spot,
but cass I should have put his chest on DJ's.

Speaker 12 (01:21:21):
Chest running away. Yeah, have to chase you, take you
down all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Okay, wait, all right, I'll be in form a.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Lot of jiu jitsu pro start there. Yeah, I mean
the one big knock on jiu jitsu is like the
butt sitting, but they're used to it. They know how
to work offense and defense off their back. They do
that little butt scoot thing and then it like almost
welcome you into their guard. They want you to be
in their guard. That's what you see guys like Kron,
Gracie and UFC fights literally walk up to the dude,
get his hands together and try to yank him down

(01:21:50):
into his guard, like he wants you to be in
his guard so he can manipulate it. But for someone
like JJ who has no experience, I wanted to say
top half guard, but I don't know. Mount is difficult
because you have no control of the legs.

Speaker 12 (01:22:03):
That's why no.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Is that mount.

Speaker 12 (01:22:10):
I'll try that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Okay, I'll try that.

Speaker 12 (01:22:18):
Full mount and yeah, I'll try that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Try that. I haven't done that before. We'll see I
assume he means we'll see, like, we'll see if I
can submit you from bottom in one mount. But he's
definitely worked from bottom mount like being mounted before what Okay,
see immediately, JJ has no understanding of why top mount
is advantageous. There's no pressure in the backside of his legs,

(01:22:46):
there's no pressure with his feet, there's no chest to
chest pressure. He's way too far up all mighty mouse
really has to do his buckets hips. That's it. Immediately

(01:23:09):
from side control. This yo, it's a crazy pause. JJ
has had no idea immediately now mind, the mouse doesn't
really bucket hips. He immediately goes after uh, his left
leg so he gets to his side, which.

Speaker 15 (01:23:25):
Is pretty standard.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
He doesn't buckets hips to get there because he might
think if I buck my hips, JJ might put his
hand down and I can get to his arm whatever.
He immediately goes after the leader fence to the leg
roll side control immediately isolate the armorial.

Speaker 12 (01:23:45):
You want to get choked out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Mighty light work, dude, put it on a T shirt.
Man is torking on his head whilst holding his limb,
sparing him a break.

Speaker 14 (01:23:56):
Going, okay, okay, holy ships tea bag so.

Speaker 12 (01:24:04):
I'm not that good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
How long was that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
DJ saying I'm not that good? Shut up? Yeah right exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:24:15):
It felt like he was twice my weight. It felt
like I had Eddie Hull on me. I think it
made no sense. He was just so much stronger than me.
But I'm a strong guy. I think he was making
me weak. I felt useless.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Yeah, there's a difference between weight lifting strength and grappling strength.
Forgot the terminology for it, but it's like useful strength
versus like measured strength. You wouldn't look at DJ and
think he could bench press two twenty five or squat
three hundred. But it doesn't really matter because the strength
he has grappling and for you know, manipulating position and

(01:24:52):
you know, looking for submissions, all that is far greater
than anything you can experience by lifting a weight up
and putting it down, unless you're somebody like Eddie h
All or thorbe Jornsen or those guys who are so
strong it's like out of this world strong that they
can legitimately lock up some kind of neck crank that
has no technique and pop your head off. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (01:25:11):
All right, bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Go case, I use your arms, buddy. Why is he
trying to ride him like a bull? Look at it?
What does he just think he can use his legs. Look,
he's like riding him like he's a bull. Use your arms,
hold on to him, under hook.

Speaker 12 (01:25:31):
You're good.

Speaker 17 (01:25:32):
You can't just live it.

Speaker 12 (01:25:41):
I thought that twenty seconds.

Speaker 15 (01:25:43):
That so much?

Speaker 14 (01:25:44):
Quicker quicker, No, no, I want to try and survive
the minute we can do this.

Speaker 12 (01:25:48):
I'll let you survive longer.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Okay, okay, no, no, no, so reset yeah yeah, so how
long was that? Seventeen seconds to twenty eight seconds?

Speaker 12 (01:25:57):
Ten seconds to dive? But you're not trying try to survive.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
That's another thing I was gonna say, like cass, I
is kind of like not I don't know. Maybe he
is trying, but it doesn't look like he's trying to survive.
He's trying to like make a video and all that,
but like actually trying.

Speaker 12 (01:26:16):
And I'll try and just see how your Biden moves.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
One minute okay, cool, okay, okay.

Speaker 12 (01:26:24):
You can hold me down.

Speaker 19 (01:26:25):
Yeah, I'm trying to do use all of your body.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
There we go, there we go. That's a little okay.
I don't know about this. This man hit him with
the cuddle. Dude with the cuddles.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
Easy sweep.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
That easy sweep off one foot. Cassi doesn't post with
his other arm either. He j sweeps fairly easily with
his left foot, pushes off the ground. Cassie is holding
on for dear life. Should use this hand to post
on the ground and stop DJ from sweeping him literally

(01:27:07):
attached to him like a fucking front facing back back.
I guess that's no idea.

Speaker 12 (01:27:11):
What he.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Tried to get here? We go, get to a hip
k s I. It's gonna hurt a little bit, but
you'll be fine. Here we goes. Okay, all right, let's
let's let's do some film study breakdown here. Ok bull guard.

(01:27:41):
DJ's immediately gonna get rid of the legs, get into
half guard. He's already pinned one. Cass I has an
underhook here, but he doesn't know what to use. He's
got an under hook. He needs to get to a
hip frame with it. Instead, he gives up essentially everything
in one moment, and now the underhook works against him
because now he's gonna use it as an arm triangle.

(01:28:04):
What again, cass I even hear I still triangle choke
cass I starts kind of just like flailing about. If
he would drive his hips and his feet into the
ground and buck here, he could get DJ off. You know,
he's just kind of flailing about. It's gonna hurt a
little bit. But we don't know to try to stack

(01:28:26):
DJ there either, which is another thing he could do
is try to stack DJ's own weight on top of himself.
Try to not let him. I mean, you'll still get
that triangle, but hopefully it'll alleviate it some where you
can start working on getting the legs free off of you.
Triangles are not You don't have a lot of time
once it's locked up. You do not have a lot

(01:28:48):
of time before the freaking darkness starts closing in.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Cool all right, no, no, no, no, Well we're gonna do.

Speaker 17 (01:28:55):
The thing, okay, coolah.

Speaker 12 (01:29:19):
See, if we're boxing, you know, I gotta Niki stop.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
I truly believe ks I is doing this for content.
And then again, I gotta remember that he doesn't have
any grappling experience. I'm telling you right now, dude, again,
I'm not trying to toot my own horn. I'm lasting
a minute. I look at it like you would have
treat this like someone's attacking you. You would fight arms,
fight hands. You know, I think he tried it like
I would try to treat this like life and death.
But I think he's doing it more like to be

(01:29:43):
like oh content, you know, okay, all right.

Speaker 19 (01:29:49):
Sweep, Yeah, what's the what's the cat roll?

Speaker 15 (01:29:57):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
We're doing.

Speaker 12 (01:30:00):
That's the worse than you can do.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
Ten seconds here?

Speaker 12 (01:30:05):
How about this new game?

Speaker 15 (01:30:07):
New game?

Speaker 12 (01:30:08):
You try to get up?

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
There we go, that's what I want to see. Let
JJ try to get to his feet. No submissions, because
this is getting embarrassing just DJ tries to hold JJ down.
In a real life scenario, unless you are a trained grappler,
one of the hardest things to do is to get
someone off of you if you've been knocked down, if
you slipped and fell, and they're trying to hurt and
that person most likely is not a trained grappler, so

(01:30:34):
they're trying to throw punches and just stay you know,
in your face.

Speaker 17 (01:30:39):
You want to spect there, you go, get on your toes, right,
I'll get you here top of the ground. That point
you wait on me there, that's okay, that's how you
hold somebody down. Okay, right, But when you're putting your
hips on the ground, then the ground is carrying a weight.

Speaker 20 (01:30:56):
Not me.

Speaker 17 (01:30:58):
Oh okay, so that's why you know, when you're even
on me on mount you're not putting your weight on me.
You're you're kind of like getting to the ground where
I can just move.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (01:31:06):
That's why I'm able to move so easily. Okay, But
when you put your weight on it, put your weight
on me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
There you go.

Speaker 17 (01:31:12):
I have to you know, I can still get out,
but I have to work harder to get out.

Speaker 14 (01:31:16):
Okay, okay, okay, So twenty seconds, twenty seconds from here
from here, okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Now he's gonna get his hips immediately to the side.

Speaker 17 (01:31:26):
I'm gonna shape okay, because I'm gonna get on your
face now.

Speaker 12 (01:31:29):
I'm gonna yeah, okay, because I have to get you
off there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Okay, I understood.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Means.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
That means ks I bury your head in his chest
right now, that's what that means.

Speaker 12 (01:31:40):
Are you ready?

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
You're not doing it?

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Go there, we go. That's what he needs to do. Perfect,
that's better. You're getting the explosions crazy. This is why
I don't look at that frame right here. This is
how I use it instead of getting hand underneath. He
goes frame here, falk with the hips, and I'm out.
This is why I don't like side control though, this
is why I was. I was surprised DJ said side
control instead of half guard, because he can't really defend

(01:32:03):
against DJ's hips or his legs or anything. I think
cass I again would be better off posting right here.
But at this point he's already lost the possision because
now we're hips, and now we're essentially fifty to fifty
on your side, on your side, your back, Yeah, trying
go beautiful.

Speaker 12 (01:32:24):
Right, so you're you're your feet went like I could
feel right like your get up, give me off you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Yeah, he goes from half guard. Let's see hips, no
other hips. Don't just try try what you try. What
you try, that's locking your arm.

Speaker 12 (01:32:39):
That's how you can bitch, that's how you can come on.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Now, So what was that sound there?

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
Right?

Speaker 12 (01:32:52):
And then now hanging on, hanging on, hanging on the.

Speaker 17 (01:32:58):
Ton of effort you've actually tried.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
When he gets him to this position where he's able
to somehow just muscle and out him, JJ needs to
immediately get on his left hid because he's still on it.
He's still flat on his back and has nothing to
push off of. You try it. He just doesn't know yet,
so he's still trying to fight directly off his.

Speaker 17 (01:33:23):
Back and hanging up, hanging on, hanging on.

Speaker 12 (01:33:27):
Push that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
You notice how DJ leads his chest too with all
this push. When he gets the grips back, he leads
with his chest because he's framing on or he's trying
to frame on DJ's shoulder. He leads with his chest
and drives his feet into the ground chucks him off. Boom,
we're right back.

Speaker 12 (01:33:48):
You've actually tried.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
I'm proud, mind you JJ do this one handed. Okay, buddy,
let's not okay.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Let's try some striking, all right. So I've never experienced
a kick in my life. Okay, well maybe I have.
Probably I've never had a professional kick me.

Speaker 12 (01:34:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Yeah, So I'm thinking.

Speaker 17 (01:34:07):
I'm gonna I'm not gonna kick you hard, Okay, give
me a percentage of I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna
show you what it feels like. Okay, I'm gonna show you,
and i'm gonna show you what I'm supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (01:34:19):
So when I got.

Speaker 17 (01:34:22):
That's all this, okay, But imagine I didn't have all
that that weight there that Yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
I could still you can do it little though.

Speaker 20 (01:34:33):
This damn ye. Give me a percentage of what I was.
That was like maybe two three, three percent. Okay, So
I'm not kicking you. I'm just I'm just going to
I'm just going to much like this, I'm going to
the emotion. That's what I'm doing. I'm not I'm not
turning my hips.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
This is it's really not turned his hips over at all,
just literally swinging the legs. So nuts, man ya.

Speaker 12 (01:34:56):
This is like, this is like warm up, like.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
This is why guys end up breaking their legs and
wrapping it around somebody because they kicked so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Dude, give me five percent.

Speaker 12 (01:35:09):
Okay, so that's is saying that's that's right. So he live.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Okay, that was fu.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
What the fuck is a hundred.

Speaker 12 (01:35:16):
Hundreds fucking I'm going I die. It's got die. God,
I want to say. I'll say that's ten percent, maybe
maybe fifteen percent.

Speaker 17 (01:35:27):
It's hard to day because when I'm here, I'm just
I'm just moving. I'm not even I'm not trying to
hit hard.

Speaker 15 (01:35:32):
I'm right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Here.

Speaker 12 (01:35:40):
Here's a good kick.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
He looked like he sped up a tad bit more.

Speaker 12 (01:35:45):
It's just gonna be a good kid. So that's a
good ship, Okay, Yeah, and that's as far as I'll go.

Speaker 17 (01:35:52):
Wow, and then imagine, imagine we're going we're fighting.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Well, I'm just doing that over and over, over and over,
Like I know what you feel.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
It is too. It's like, think about in boxing terms,
how you set up your punches, your one and then
you're one two When you throw the one too, your
jab the second time around is not gonna be as
forceful as it was the first time around as it
was in a single shot. So you use it to
get to the two, then the one, two three, The
one and the two set up the three, and then

(01:36:24):
you add kicks. You're throwing combinations and and maybe the
last punch of that combination is meant to hurt. But
realistically that you're you're throwing your three or four punch
combo to set up the kick, and the kick is
the big power shot you're waiting to throw. That is horrifying.

Speaker 7 (01:36:41):
Bro.

Speaker 12 (01:36:44):
Anyway, Yeah, kick like.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
MVP has aura. By the way, I'm thirty two years
old saying this, but when he walked in the room,
it was like, oh, ship, the man's here, you feel me?
Before JJ came around it best I would say, prospect
to star athlete that Shoot Fighters has produced as m
v P. You know, without him that name London Shoot
It's got some some good fighters. They they helped with

(01:37:10):
Derek Chazor's career a little bit. But without him that
that gym doesn't have the name it it would have.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
I should get one kick without the pipe, just one
little I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Do this one.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
He really does not need ye little pop at him,
one little pop. Let me let me.

Speaker 12 (01:37:29):
Actually, yes, that's it.

Speaker 14 (01:37:40):
Oh my god, the.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Holy ship many Well, what the.

Speaker 12 (01:37:55):
What was?

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
What was.

Speaker 12 (01:37:58):
Maybe like one kill?

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Get out of him.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
That didn't even look like.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
It's just instant dead.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Get him like right in the middle of his shin too,
like the strongest part of his shin, right at the
freaking middle of his thigh. That video is dope. This
was a very fun link up. CASI gets to experience
what grappling feels like. I don't think that we'll be
seeing him on the mats rolling anytime soon, but DJ

(01:38:27):
once again killing it in the UH in the combat
sports content space, taking all the trips, linking up with
all the creators that we want to see a sick
idea sick video. I wish I would have done it
first man, not that I would be able to do
any of the what DJ was saying, but like training
with DJ would have been cool. Brouh and I tried

(01:38:48):
to do it last year and we couldn't get it done.
But nonetheless, fire video and the offer is out there.
By the way I've said it and I'm sticking by it.
I will last at least one minute. DJ wants to
grap one thousand dollars on the line. I'm lasting more
than one minute. Let me know what y'all think down
in the comments below. KSI grappling DJ was a nightmare,

(01:39:08):
but not in the way he normally is. What happens
next for KSI? Is he gonna fight anytime soon? Is
DJ gonna collab with Tom aspinall next? Who knows. I
guess we'll find out

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