July 1, 2025 • 41 mins
It's ridiculous that Caitlin Clark finished 9th in player voting for the all-star game.
The Lakers are making it clear LeBron James is no longer calling the shots
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it is our number two live in
Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Oh it's Chicago. My bad,
you know, I'm well, who knows where I'm at. I'm
in my chair. Jmax in La So. Denver Nuggets are
better right now than they were yesterday. Got a couple
of shooters. The Houston Rockets, I think are better today
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than they were yesterday. I don't know if the Dallas
Mavericks are better with d Low, but they're deeper. They're
scorings deeper. They're waiting for Kyrie to get back, hopefully
after the trade deadline. I looked at what happened yesterday,
and I think everybody in the West looks a little better.
Clint Capella goes back to Houston, So Houston's better, Denver's better,
Oklahoma City's a champ. They don't have to necessarily get
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that much better. We are in a run of seven years,
seven different championships. Today, if I had to guess, I'd
say Denver's the best team in the league with Cam
Johnson and Bruce Brown narrowly over Houston. I think Dallas
is excellent. So is okayc the edit story today, that's Vegas.
The Lakers are making it very clear they're not including
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Lebron in their discussions going forward. They are not as
good today as they were yesterday. They don't have a center.
The best centers are now gone. DeAndre Ayton's still out there,
J mckis is he out there for the taking right now?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
DeAndre Ayton, Yeah, he's available, calling himself a max player,
still obviously not demanding a max contract.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
But if that's what the Lakers are doing this.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Offseason, Jake Laivia and DeAndre Ayton, maybe that they are
Tron Trede Lebron.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, so I thought this was funny, Like it's now
gotten to a point we have to laugh at it.
Caitlin Clark finished ninth in player voting. In fact, she
finished behind one of her own teammates in player voting
for the All Star Game. The pettiness has no bounds,
but it's interesting. For years, the WNBA players were pointing fingers.
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They were saying, people are sexist, the media is sexist,
We're not being promoted, we're underappreciated, and then they get
the golden goose and they don't like what it looks like.
Iowa girl, Indiana girl, Well, who knows? And I've said
this for years. When the wave hits right it you
don't know what it looks like, don't fight it. When
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Pooka Nakua went in the fifth round of the Rams
and they suddenly in camp went, oh, we just found
a new number one receiver. He's better than Cooper Cup,
they didn't fight it. Did you think when you watched
Tom Brady at the Combine that looked like the goat?
They had just signed Drew Bledsoe to one hundred and
three million dollar contract. That was a lot of money
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back then, and then a year in there like I
were going to go with Brady, they didn't fight it,
and Drew Bledsoe was still very very good. So you know,
there's obviously a racial component here. The WNBA players, they
just don't like what the wave looks like they wanted
to fly private, they wanted to be more popular, they
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wanted a better deal in the CBA, which they'll get.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
They wanted sold out arenas they got it.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
They just don't They don't necessarily think it should be this.
But again, you can't fight it. You just never know
what success looks like. I mean, if every company in
the country would love to go viral every day for
free marketing, if they knew how to do it, they'd
all be viral every day. Like you just don't know.
Is it authentic? It it touches people. There's a tentacle
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of emotion and involved and suddenly some small town kid
goes viral or a singing frog.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Who knows.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I wouldn't have guessed that Caitlin Clark would be this transformative.
I wouldn't have guessed Tom Brady would be the goat.
Don't fight it. The wave, the meteor doesn't necessarily look
like you think it's going to look right. There was
a time that somebody thought, though it wasn't it. Was
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it the Google or the Apple glasses. I was told
that was the future. I remember being in TV and
I was told local news would be three D I
can remember working at the other place. We had an
event that was an Ohio State football game. We all
took three D glasses. I was like, this is the
future of television. At that time, nobody knew what streaming was.
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There was no Netflix, so you just don't know what
the wave looks like when it arrives. Don't fight it,
just ride it. With that Albert Breer Monday morning quarterback
is joining us, I've lots to talk about. So I
said this. I was talking to a league executive about
two three weeks ago, and he said sometimes he felt
like the steeters were making moves to make moves. So,
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for instance, they move off a very tall, explosive, high
maintenance receiver. After acquiring a tall explosive, high maintenance receiver,
they move off an expensive safety who's passed his prime slightly,
and then they go acquire Jalen Ramsey, who's expensive from
the secondary passed his prime slightly. So to me, they're
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just making moves to make moves. I'd argue today they're
less talented arguably than maybe a year ago. What are
they doing with the latest Jalen Ramsey move?
Speaker 6 (05:45):
So here's what I think it is.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
Colins just from a global standpoint, they got to the
end of the year last year, and obviously, if you
got this incredible record with Mike Tomlin of being plus
five hundred over the last seventeen years running, and and
it just hasn't equaled playoff success over the last seven
or eight years. So you're knocking on this glass ceiling
and how do you break through? And I think that's
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really why they decided to hit reset a quarterback. They
would have had Justin Fields back over Russell Wilson, but
they decide we're going to take a bigger.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Swing at that.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
So they looked at Matthew Stafford. They wind up with
Aaron Rodgers at every one of these positions. It's how
can we get a little bit better. So this core
that we have right now, and I've said this to
you over the last few weeks, has the best chance
of going and pursuing a championship. How does Cam Hayward
have the best chance of pursuing a championship?
Speaker 6 (06:35):
How does TJ.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Watt have the best chance of getting over the hump
and not being a nine win team anymore, having a
home playoff game, being able to advance when they get there,
like that's what this is all about. And so I
think to some degree, I understand what you're saying about,
like this is maybe activity for activity's sake, and maybe
it looks like that. They feel like Ramsey's a better
player than Mick Fitzpatrick. They feel like like Metcalf's a
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better player than Pickens, and maybe those guys have less
shelf life, like maybe those guys only have two or
three years left rather than five or six years left.
But where they are right now, it was either do
this tread water at nine to ten wins or reset,
And I think they look at it as we weren't
going to break through that nine to ten eleven win
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ceiling with the group that we had, So let's roll
the dice.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Let's take a big swing.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Let's swing for the fences rather than swing for singles
and doubles, and if it works out, great, and if
it doesn't, we were going to have to rebuild anyway.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So I think if you can make March Madness as
a college basketball coach, that's why all these coaches want
eighty teams in March Madness, you retain your job in
the NFL.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
If you can make the playoffs. It's hard to fire
a coach. I think Mike Rabel.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Mike Rabel's really bad news for Mike McDaniel in Miami
because I think New England with Drake May, they don't
have to pay him for years. I think Vrabel's elite.
They spent three hundred million on like Miami's rebuilt with McDaniel,
where that was flashy, but I didn't feel there was
a lot of steak. I feel there's a lot of steak.
Lines are better with Rabel. He's a culture center, a
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sending quarterback. We were talking about this a couple of
days ago on the show, is that Mike McDaniel came
from Kyle Shannon. There was a sense is okay, this
is forty nine ers East, I got three years. They're
not physical, it's a lot of sizzle. I don't trust them.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Out of Miami.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think Miami is a bit of a mess and
McDaniel's is in a bit of trouble for an organization
that has moved off fairly capable coaches before.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
What say you on Miami going forward?
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Well, he got his extension and I do think mc
McDaniel's a great offensive mine and there's no question that
I think he gave them a little bit more than
they had during the Brian flores ere at the end,
he gave them change they needed just the climate the
building improved, so he did give them that. That's what
I'm with you, Like, they kind of got to the
point where it's like, Okay, now I talked about that
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ceiling with the Steelers, right, Okay, has this run its course?
And so rather than being whe the Steelers were with
a year or two left, they felt like they were
at the end with the group that they had, and
so toront Arms said retires, they trade. Jalen Ramsey, I
still think Tyreek Hill could be had if somebody made
a big offer for him.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Like I think this is.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Subtly the turning of the page from the We have
Tua Tongue of Baloa on our rookie contract, and we're
going to build aggressively, and we're going to find out
what Tua is too.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Now two is on a big contract.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
We're gonna need more from Tua and around him, we're
gonna have to get a lot younger, and so I
think this is the beginning of that process. They got
marginally younger with some of these trades and they're going
to have to rely on young guys like Patrick Paul,
who they drafted in the second round to play left
tackle last year out of the University of Houston, didn't
play last year. Now he's going to be their starting
left tackle. It's guys like that who are going to
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have to come along for them and Tua is going
to have to be better And to me, like, that's
with this hinges on. Mike McDaniel was brought in a
couple of years ago to fix to a tongue of
a loa, right, like, let's see what we can get,
Let's see where to a tongue of Alwa's ceiling is
and two has played well under Mike McDaniel in that
environment where you had him on the rookie contract, where
you could build aggressively around him. Now I think it's
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sort of flipped where it was on Mike. To revitalize Tooa.
Now Tua has to prove that Mike was right to
stick with him, and so I think a lot of
where the Mike McDaniel are goes and Chris Spreer is
part of this as well, is going to hinge on
whether or not Tua can elevate the type of quarterback
who can lift up people around him rather than being
the point guard out there, who's just got a really
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talented group of players and he can drive the bus.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So I got into this discussion with John Middlecoff and
I were talking about the Packers. So Jordan Love, congrats
to him, just got married. Good for him. I love that.
I like my quarterbacks to be married. I know, Albert,
that sounds ridiculous. I like my mature quarterbacks to be grounded.
But it's interesting. Green is one of the mystery teams
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in the league because we know they're well run, we
like their coach, no crazy, owner Mark Murphy's super bright,
they draft and develop well. But they are the mystery
team in the league because even Washington. I can look
at Washington and say, well, who are their five best players?
And I can point to guys green Bay's five best players. Okay,
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I love Josh Jacobs. Kenny Clark's really good. I would argue, they, yeah,
he's So that's my point. Have they become the Colts
where we know they're well run, we know they've got
a good roster, but do they have stars? Because when
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you start looking at Philly and Detroit, and the Rams
where you could pinpoint four five guys and go okay,
those are elite difference makers in January. So my take is,
what are the Packers beyond well run in a really
good division?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
What are they today?
Speaker 7 (12:03):
So I think what's interesting is, like, what makes your
point is what they did in the first round of
the draft right where they drafted Matthew Golden out of Texas,
Because like, do they have a bunch of twos and
threes all over the roster?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I think is the question you're asking, right, and you look.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
At that receiver group, and that receiver group showed so
much promise early with guys like Christian Watson and Jaden
Reid and down Tavian Wicks, and so you saw these
guys and there's so much promise there. But does them
taking Matthew Golden in the first round basically tell you
that they view those other guys as twos and threes
and they needed to bring in another number number one.
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Same thing at left tackle, they got Rashid Walker out,
They're pretty good player for them.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
They drafted Jordan Morgan.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
He's going to compete for the left tackle spot this
year after playing guard as a rookie.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
I think those questions are there on the roster.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
It's a really solid roster, and I think they can
roll out of bed and win eight, eight or nine
games and be in the playoff hunt. I think what
the roster needs now is sort of like what I
was just talking about with Miami, is can Jordan Love
come in and elevate the people around him? And I
think that's something we're going to see again. Like I
like Tuckerkraft, I like Watson when he gets healthy again,
I like Jayden Reed, I liked on Tavian Wicks. But
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I think the question you're asking is how many of
these guys are going to be around three or four
years from now. How many are that good that they're
going to be those sorts of cornerstones.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
And I think that's a fair question to ask.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
And the one thing that can solve that is your
quarterback starting to elevate the people around him. So I
do think like to some degree, there's a little more
pressure on Jordan Love going into this year to elevate
the guys around him, based only the dynamic that you
were just talking about on the roster.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Okay, finally, let's make because you know I know you're
probably in the beaches of the Northeast and enjoying your
fam here.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
I gave you guys a great view, by the way,
they told me.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
It was to Wendy up there, so you got like
the window unit behind me now, but there was a
great view upstairs.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Finally, do you buy the Terry McLaurin Patriots rumors? Because
I will say, Washington, and I've heard GM say this,
you don't want to spend too much money in a
singular unit once you're paying debo.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Now you have Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You've got other gaps on the offensive line, You've got
gaps in the secondary. Do you buy those rumors? I
love McLaurin. I think he's one of the real adults
in the room at that position. Do you buy the
Patriot McLaurin rumors?
Speaker 7 (14:25):
I think the Patriots would love to have Terry McLaurin
in their roster. I mean, the one connection that I
don't know enough people have made is that Mike Frable
coached and played at Ohio State, so he knows everything
that's needed to be known about Terry McLaurin, and Terry
McLaurin is most one of the most beloved players to
go through that program in the last twenty five years,
and that's not overstating it.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
And he was a captain in Washington, through a rebuild,
through the ownership situation, through the name, like all that
different stuff, Like he was kind of a Bellweather through
a lot of storms in Washington, and to be able
to pair him with a young quarterback, like he just
went through that with Jayden Daniels. It was great for
Jayden Daniel, so he'd be great for Drake May. I
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just don't see where the commanders are going to walk
away from him. I think Terry really values what he's
got in Washington, And I've talked to him about this before,
like how significant last year was for him personally, and
being there when they got over the hump and being
there when they became a real team after everything that
he went through since being drafted in twenty nineteen. Remember
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he was drafted by Jake Ruden to the Washington Redskins
at the time. He's there for the whole Ron Riverrier,
he's there for the ownership change, he's there for the
name change, all of it. So he really values having
been through all of that and having gotten them over
the hump, and dan Quinn really values Terry McLaurin, so
that negotiation is in a really tough spot right now
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because of the way the market has exploded at Receiver.
And I don't know the communication has been great to
this point, but I do think at the end and
they're too valuable to each other, and so I do
think cooler heads will prevail. But you're right, like I
think New England will be one of the first teams
on the phone if he did actually become available.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback. Enjoy your summer. Mine starts
after the show today for me, and that's great seeing you.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Happy summer.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Colin, All right, good stuff, Jmack, you're film and tomorrow right?
Are you doing the Are you doing the task tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I am, yes, very excited with all your Lakers hate.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'm cooking up so much stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
But don't you don't get it out.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Don't you think it is interesting? Though?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I really like it's restaurant under new management. I do
like when you get new owners. The Lakers have new owners.
They're really successful and they have I mean, don't you
think those guys before they bought the Lakers. Right, Like,
let's say you're Mark Walters and you're sitting there with
your investment group and the Dodgers are humming in baseball,
I mean like everything. You're leading baseball and attendance by
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seven thousand game. So not that the Dodgers are on
cruise control, but you re signed. You extend to Dave
roberts Otani. So you're sitting there and you own like
fifteen to twenty percent of the Lakers. Why would they
buy the Lakers? Why would they spend ten billion to
buy the Lakers? Their takeaway is this is.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
An under undervalued asset.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
If it's undervalued an underperforming asset, you wouldn't buy it
at the top of the market, like you wouldn't buy
it if you thought it was brilliantly run. Generally, smart
people buy companies not at the top of the market
when they think, man, this is an incredible brand. The
TV money is coming in for the NBA and they're
not particularly well run. And then stories come out about
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the Lakers are the only team not at Sloan Analytics conference,
they're the scouting department smaller. So I think they bought
it with the intention of we're going to tighten this
thing up. We're going to button up the Lakers. So
I think Polinka's in trouble. They shouldn't be asking Lebron
at forty one or Rich Paul what to do. That
doesn't mean you alienate them, but I think these moves basically,
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let's be honest, j Mac, they sort of punted on
this year's free agency.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
It's early.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I can see that. It gives that appearance. It looks
like they're kind of punting. But if they bring in
Aiden and make another slick move, maybe they get off.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Hatchi Mora and one of the number ones. For some
you don't like it.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
You don't love Ayton as a movie, neither do I.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I don't love Ayton, but at this given the alternatives, Colin,
it's like, you know, if you dance and you want
to dance with a girl last song, what girls are available?
Maybe not the ones you love, but you take something
to your at least dancing.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I would argue this if you go back and look
what they did with the Dodgers before they got into
huge spending.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
They fixed scouting, R and D and upstairs.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
It just it stinks to have to do that in
Lebron's maybe final year of basketball. So that leads to
do they consider a Lebron trade Colin? Does Lebron say, Hey,
this team could work for me? I think if anywhere
he's going east, I just don't have a landing spot yet.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Need some more time on that, all right?
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Speaker 1 (19:43):
The Rockets and the Nuggets got better. You know I
have to ask this years ago to somebody I said,
there's been this one solvable, unsolvable and nigma mystery in sports,
and I love to find the answers. Why is something happening?
Why do we have a trend? And the West has
been better than the East for as long as even
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when Jordan was dominating the NBA, Like the West had
more quality teams. Why is the Western Conference always better
than the Eastern Conference?
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I mean, I go to next.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Year, Dallas, Okase, Houston and Denver got better in the
last twenty four hours, four excellent teams. Minnesota is still
really good. I mean, Lakers have Lebron Luke and Austin Reeves.
They're going to win a bunch of games. Golden State's
got Butler, Draymond and Steph They're going to win a
bunch of games. Like why is the East always second
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class to the West? For years, I thought, well, it's
a winter league. It starts in October and the majority
of the league is October, November, December, January, in March,
and the weather's better out West. Maybe free agents like it.
You know, you got two Western teams in Texas, San Antonio, Houston,
no state tax. Maybe that's it. And then somebody said
to me, the West has just had better owners and
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general managers. But I'm watching yesterday and once again Houston
over the last week, Kadie and on better team Denver
adding two shooters getting off a poor better team Celtics
not as good, Tatum injury, porzingis gone. I mean, who
knows what happens with Derek White. So I still contend
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if the Lakers were honest about what they are now,
I would make an Austin Reeves Derek White trade tomorrow
if it was available. I think Derek White's a much
better defender and a better three point shooter. But story today,
Lakers are not even gauging interest around the league on
Austin Reeves, So this is.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Kind of what you have.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Which, by the way, if you put the Lakers, if
Luca Lebron, Ruy Hatchemora and Austin Reeves were out.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
East, I think they could vie for.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
The third best team. Maybe they could vie for the
Eastern Conference championship. With that Haliburton and Tatum. I really
believe that in the West.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
No way.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Jmack with the news, No, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Well, we've got some more Lebron updates. Colin, Listen, this
is starting. I don't want to say we're at def
Con one or anything like that, but maybe deaf Con three.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
The bread combs continue to add up.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
According to Rich Paul, four teams have been poking around
about trading for Lebron James Now. Just to put full
clarity here, Brian Windhorst, who's all over the Lebron stuff,
says that trade is highly unlikely. Others are saying, hey, listen,
keep an eye on the Mavericks, although I find that
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hard to believe that the Lakers would steal Luca and
then trade Lebron. Goat back to the Mads. I know
there's the Kyrie a d angle. I don't buy it.
But Colin, I think we're getting to that discussion.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yes, you don't trade.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Lebron, but if Lebron says, hey trade me here, do
you have to listen?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
It's really straight?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah? I mean, could I not at least make the
argument if you're a Laker fan, the time to start
over is when you still have assets but you're not
a championship team. If you can look in the mirror
and go forty one year old Lebron Austin Reeves did
get worked in the playoffs. Luca's your guy, but he's
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an old twenty six. And what do the Lakers need?
They need an infusion of youth, because that's what San
Antonio has and what Houston has and what Oklahoma City has.
Like to me, there's a real argument, if you're honest
about it, this is as good as Lebron's gonna get.
Lebron could go into the season at forty one, rip
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up an ACL and it's over.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Listen, listen, Okay, I've had enough of glass half full,
Colin on the day before you leave town. Okay, stop
with the negativity for Lebron and the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
I would move him. I would consider it.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Okay, So now that's the discussion, because he's gonna make
like fifty.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Two million next to somebody.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I mean again, I'm not saying this is not an
anti Lebron, but there is a time and a place.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
I mean, New England moved off Brady. He went and
won a Super Bowl the following year.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Some of that was Brady wanting to get the hell
out well.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Aaron Rodgers Packers moved off him two years earlier. He
was an MVP like all legends. Well, very rarely does
the legend control the end.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Listen, if Lebron goes on a darkness retreat, I'm okay
offloading him, all right, but he's not.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Doing that, So I'll just put this out there. Colin.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
He's in the final year of his contract. Lebron plays
his final year, retires, you have a huge opening.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
On your roster.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I don't want to take on bad contracts moving off Lebron.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I don't want three four year deals, right, I want
to just remembering books cleaned.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
The Mark Walters Group has no loyalty to Lebron.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Genie Bust did this ownership group.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It is all about assets. It's credits and debts, assets
and liabilities.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
That's all it is. To the new ownership group.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
These guys with the Dodgers moved off Zach Granky, Manny Machado,
Corey Seeger, Corey Bellinger. And you could say, well, Lebron,
Lebron all they care about. They look I guarantee you
they look at Luca as the gem. That's their O Tammy,
that's their Mookie Betts Luca. It's not forty one year
old Lebron. That to me, I'm they're looking at that thinking,
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this may be the moment, this may be the man
we all know. Well, Geenie Buss is gonna be the
governor of the operation. So was Mark Cuban with Dallas.
When somebody pays ten billion, they're gonna do what they
want to do.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Certainly, all right, let's move on to a team.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
You know, we don't really talk about that much in
the OKAC Thunder for their fourteen fans. Colin, let's talk
about him for a second year. Kevin Durant, who started
his career in Seattle, then went to OKAC, knows a
little bit about the Thunder, and he went on Lebron's
Mind the Game podcast and broke down the thunders Dinah's
feet potential.
Speaker 9 (26:00):
And be that guy for the rest of his career.
What is Jayla, Wims and Chat gonna be? You know
what I'm saying. Of course, they're playing great right now,
but those three guys gotta keep you I mean, is
already at that level. But those two guys gotta keep
your married. I mean, that's just the facts of it
or anything. Those two guys gotta keep stepping up and
become perennial All Stars, doubt, no doubt All Stars every
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year without the benefit of having a good team that
sets yes, he's got to be All Star flat out.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Remember this too, j Mac.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Young.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Teams that don't have a title the regular season means
a ton. Don't be shocked if OKC wins sixty or
fifty eight games next year. They're not pedal to the medal.
That's not the way it works. The minute teams win championships,
Young Tim Duncan the coaching staffs like, I'm not wearing
my guys out. So next year they may not have
a number one seed. That's I mean, they're not gonna
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look like they did this year. You're gonna get a
lot of bench, you're gonna get fewer minutes for your stars.
They don't win like sixty one games, sixty two games
in the regular season, but they won't. They're not good
enough offensively to be a dynasty.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
They're not. I mean, if Halliburton doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I'm not sure they beat I'm not sure they beat Indiana.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I'm fairly certain.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
The last team to get at to win the title
and then get out his second round was like the
Kevin Durant Curry Warriors. It's just it's been tough to
win the title. You know everybody's coming for you. You take
your foot off the gas and the next year you.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Slip up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
So we'll see, I'm not buying a dynasty nonsense.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Just to put it out there. Final story, let's go
to the NFL colin.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
The Miami Dolphins obviously made a big move yesterday trading
Jalen Ramsey and John who Smith to the Steelers from
Minka Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Well, former Miami running back.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Right he mostered ripped the Dolphins, tweeting out hot take
be a pro bowler. All the Dolphins get treated like bleep.
Happy for my guys though, go ball out, yeah, Jeff.
Sean McVay bailed on Jalen Ramsey. Why Jalen Ramsey's doing
whatever Jalen Ramsey wants to do. I mean to bias
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yourself right now. The Rams have kind of a no
name group in the secondary and they're just fine like that.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
When Sean McVay moves off a.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Guy, why Cooper Cup he was regressing Jalen Ramsey doing
his own thing.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
So, I mean Aaron Donald was different. They would have
kept him.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
But Jalen Ramsey anytime he's been in an organization without
great structure Jacksonville in Miami, he's not as good as
you think he should be. That to be honest about it,
he's not like in La he was great, and then
that last year You're like, he got burned a couple
of times in the playoffs badly because he's doing his
He's biting on stuff looking for the pick. That's like
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the NBA guy that wants steals instead of playing good
team defense.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I called him a pile inspector, and all these Dolphin
fans got upset at me.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I'm like, he's just not what he was. He was
a star, he's not anymore.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Jmack with the News, Well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News. The other story today,
J Mack, that we touched on briefly. Uh, basically, the
Bucks bought out the Dame Lillard contract, so uh. Jannis
reportedly did not like that. They did get Miles Turner,
who I think is an upgrade over Brook Lopez. Lopez
(29:26):
aged going to the Clippers. Miles. I like Miles, Miles
and Lopez are the same big guys can shoot a three.
I think Miles is a better rim protector at this point.
I you know, I don't know what the analytics say,
but I like Miles Turner more at this point than
Brook Lopez. So they upgrade a little bit in the post.
But apparently Yannis isn't terribly happy. But you know, it's
a classic example. Yannis can keep pointing fingers and blaming people.
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It's like w NBA players, they keep blaming, blaming, blaming.
You don't pay attention to us, Caitlin Clark Arrives. We
all pay attention, and they don't. They don't like the
way their growth looks. Yannis can keep blaming people and
do this passive aggressive stuff on Instagram. Bro, you were
not a championship team three years ago, and so you
you don't want to leave. Let's be honest, you don't.
(30:12):
You want to be seen as a nice guy in
loyal I get that nobody wants to be hated. But
to me, Milwaukee is screaming reboot. That is a total
start over. And we can't keep blaming ownership of the
MAVs because they're just limitations on what you can do. Here.
Here is Chris Haynes today on NBA TV, on Yannis
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on Damian Lillard being waived.
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Sources that relate to me that Kupo is not pleased
with the bucks decision to buy out Damian Lillar for
the remainder of his contract, and he just didn't like
how it was handled. There are some you know, suspect
things happening or the way that they are happening, and
so I was told he is he is not pleased
(30:59):
with what what trashpot?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Well, you're the one that kind of demanded a big
swing and we all knew when Dame arrived you'd be
a better offensive team from three and the worst defensive team.
So the Bucks are trying to appeal to you, but
I've said one their title was four years ago. This
to me is screaming movie ho us six first rounders, unprotected,
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all star level ish player, rotational players, start over. You
got a title with Kareem, you got a title with Giannis.
And there's a lot of great franchises that never won
a Super Bowl, a Stanley Cup or a title. You
get one, don't. I mean Denver's got one with the
jokis the best player in the world. They they may
not get another. OKC got one like Toronto got one.
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There's no guarantee. Milwaukee's not a big free agent market.
Players in a winner league are not dying to get
to the tundra. So it's like you got a title,
you got hardware, you got a banner, your second start over,
it's the Herd.
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Speaker 1 (32:27):
You know, I was thinking about this, j Mac. I
actually think Justin Fields for your New York Jets. If
you go look at his numbers last year in Pittsburgh,
they were pretty encouraging. Now were their promises made to
Russell Wilson. I don't know, but Justin Fields was not.
I mean's foreign to if you extrapolate his numbers out,
they were pretty solid numbers. They're pretty solid, So he's
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going to get a full run this year, and I
think he should. But if Michael Pennix can play for Atlanta,
I think he can. If cam Ward is as good
as we both think in Tennessee, and if Caleb and
Ben Johnson works. So that's three more teams that have quarterbacks.
We are reaching a little Next year is supposed to
be a good quarterback draft. So the Giants went and
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got Jackson Dart. I'm not a buyer, but if he's
gonna work, Dave Boll certainly helps. We've only gotten now
Indie Saints. Cleveland Giants do not have their quarterback, and
the Giants may think I don't know what they think,
but they may think they do have it with Jackson Dart.
So the Giants you kind of wait and watch it develop.
(33:31):
But it does feel like we're reaching a saturation point.
If Pennix, cam Ward, and Caleb hit, you know, I'm
being optimistic. I liked all three out of college. I
think they're all gonna. I think Ben Johnson's gonna ensure
Caleb works. I think the Callahan, Brian Callahan, and cam Ward,
I think it's gonna work, and I always like Pennix,
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but it's you know, you get to a point now.
The coaching is better than it's ever been. Offensive coaching
is much better than it's ever been. Quarterbacks are playing more,
taking more snaps by eighth ninth grade than they ever
have there. It always feels like every year there's seven
to eight teams that need a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
But what's happening, J.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Mack is because of the offensive coaching is so good
that guys like Gino, Donald and Baker and this never
used to be the case. They're now hitting on a
third or a fourth team and have I mean, like
Baker Mayfield now is absolutely a top fifteen quarterback.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Yeah, Sam Donald, I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Know where he ranks, but in terms of talent arm talent,
he's a top fifteen arm talent and so and Gino
we can complain.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
He just got a huge new deal.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
There's not a lot of teams now in this league
that literally have really absolutely guaranteed don't know if they have,
they don't have the guy in the building.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Hold on, I think I could find five, right, all right,
all right, so let's start with the Cleveland Browns. They
absolutely have no idea and if Stefanski gets run, it's
going to be a new racing Indianapolis Colts. Remember we
saw Shane Steichen on that list. If he gets fired.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Question forget Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
This one's you know, New Orleans Saint Stage just drafted.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
A guy they got nothing. I like Bryce Young as
a person.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
So I don't think he good guy. I think he
can play. I don't have numbers in front of me,
but I thought last year. I thought last year watching him,
I'm like, oh, that he can start in the NFL.
I don't think you have to go draft a quarterback
in the first round next year. I think Bryce. I
think Bryce Young can play. I don't think he's great,
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but I do think he's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
He's got ye So so two more uh and this one.
You know, we'll see what happens in Arizona. I'm bullish
on them this year, but colin the Kyler Murray stuff
at some point like they're probably gonna run in and
if he doesn't get a lot of wins, and then.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
It's like, what are we doing with Kyler Murray is
a franchise guy.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I would I would say this Indy Saints, Cleveland, No,
And in one year Pittsburgh Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I think Jets, come on, you really think Justin Fields
is gonna be awf him and get like a.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Three year deal.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Justin Fields checks a lot of boxes, big Mobile liked.
I don't know if he's a good leader or not,
so I don't have an opinion, but he's a big kid,
got a whip, moves well. Everybody that plays with him
likes him. He's not disruptive, and he's gonna get this year.
My take on Justin Fields is he's one of those guys.
(36:26):
It just depends on if the staff likes him. I
don't think he jumps off. But Darnold Now, Baker Now
and Gino they got big deals like they're franchise quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
You don't have to think they're.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Great, but they're they're so we just Pittsburgh's one of
the only teams with Indy, The Saints, Cleveland, Pittsburgh in
one year from now, they're absolutely going drafting a cord.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I think if the Giants fire Dable, they're drafting a quarterback.
Like you said, Jackson Dart new guy's not gonna inherit him.
Let me just throw this other one out. I don't
think it's an issue. But if JJ McCarthy's wobbly and
all these report it's about, oh, we don't know, let's.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Go back get someone else.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Do the Vikings take a bite of a quarterback next
year in the draft somewhere.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
It's a very good point. Remember they didn't give up
a haul for JJ McCarthy. I think they gave up
a fourth and a fifth. So they did not sell
the farm for JJ McCarthy. You remember there were all
these rumors teams were moving up. No, they were more
interested to we found out for the draft in Pennix.
So they didn't give away the farm. And by the way,
my staff looked it up, Bryce Young's last eight games
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without a number one receiver twelve touchdowns and three picks. Okay,
not a very good offensive roster, did not have a
number one and they drafted Team Ac from Arizona. They
have a number one receiver. So so. And I also think,
like I was never a huge fan of brock Pretty
or Tua.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
But the organizations like them. It doesn't matter what I think.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Tua is their franchise, Guy Brock is the Niners, doesn't
matter what I think I just think we're getting to
a point in the NFL. There's three or four teams
that don't know and next year I think those are
all going to be solved, because it's right now you're
looking at four to five first round guys. The quality
of coaching, the quality of seven on seven camps, the
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quality of quarterback coaching, like, uh, you know the people
that we bring on the show that do this for
a living.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
So you mentioned Tua Colin as a franchise guy with McDaniel, Yes,
And we had an interesting conversation about McDaniel yesterday and
somebody texted me, why would we give Peyton Manning couldn't
win a playoff game in his first five appearances, and
yet here we are Mike McDaniel year three with Tua
in and out of the lineup, and we're ready to
(38:41):
say Mike McDaniel not a good coach. Like, is there
a different bit of a double standard for quarterbacks and coaches?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
A little yes?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yes, I mean you're paying Yeah, I mean I think
the Yeah, absolutely, there's a different standard.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I mean I think you're all in on Tua. You've
paid for it. He's a star player. Owners look at
that differently than a coach that can't win a playoff game.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Peyton Manning was the number one high school Peyton number
was the number one college player. Peyton Manning was a
number one pick nobody ever. And by the way, Archie
Manning was a on a bad team, but Archie Manning
was very talented. Peyton Manning was viewed as a quarterback prodigy.
He was very much in the John hill Way class.
You're like, oh, this is a superstar and so yeah,
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I mean Mike McDaniels, he was a He was an
assistant coach in a system in Kyle Shanahan where Kyle
called everything. Peyton Manning was a one of the best
high school quarterbacks ever, one of the highest prospects, a
number one pick, and very early in his career was
considered almost you know, a little bit of a teeth clincher,
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but I mean, like cerebrally next level. Yeah, I mean,
there's no Peyton Manning was like Matt Stafford. When Peyton
Manning wasn't winning in the postseason, it was like it
wasn't a Peyton Manning issue, it was what's surround him.
When Matt Stafford wasn't winning in Detroit, number one high schooler,
number one college, number one pick, one of the best
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three arms in the league.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
It wasn't Matt Stafford. It was the junk around him.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
So can we say, hey, it's not Mike McDaniel's fault,
it's the junk around him.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
The GM what the hell are you doing? Like, I
know that I'm.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Giving McDaniel way too much of a pass, but Colin
his history of play calling in Miami has been tremendous
and working with the TUA backup quarterbacks, all those personalities. Again,
I'm way more bullish on him. I don't know about TUA,
but I like McDaniel a lot with mine.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I don't dislike McDaniel, but I've seen this before, where
you know, Zach Taylor comes out of the Sean McVeigh tree,
and Sean McVay loves him, and he's obviously capable.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
The Bengals got to a Super Bowl. But are we giving.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Zach Taylor early in his career a benefit of a
doubt because of McVeigh. If Mike McDaniel have come from Tennessee,
but he comes from Shanahan, so he gets a little
bit of the glow of Shanahan and might take his
three years in. They've spent money, they've had stars. I
just don't there's nothing there. I think they finish third
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or fourth in the division. It's yeah, I think it's
a possibility.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I'd be a fall from grace.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
All right, Urban Meyer love having him on. Is going
to join us. We're not that far out.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
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Here we go, it is our number two live in
Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Oh it's Chicago. My bad,
you know, I'm well, who knows where I'm at. I'm
in my chair. Jmax in La So. Denver Nuggets are
better right now than they were yesterday. Got a couple
of shooters. The Houston Rockets, I think are better today
(00:47):
than they were yesterday. I don't know if the Dallas
Mavericks are better with d Low, but they're deeper. They're
scorings deeper. They're waiting for Kyrie to get back, hopefully
after the trade deadline. I looked at what happened yesterday,
and I think everybody in the West looks a little better.
Clint Capella goes back to Houston, So Houston's better, Denver's better,
Oklahoma City's a champ. They don't have to necessarily get
(01:08):
that much better. We are in a run of seven years,
seven different championships. Today, if I had to guess, I'd
say Denver's the best team in the league with Cam
Johnson and Bruce Brown narrowly over Houston. I think Dallas
is excellent. So is okayc the edit story today, that's Vegas.
The Lakers are making it very clear they're not including
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Lebron in their discussions going forward. They are not as
good today as they were yesterday. They don't have a center.
The best centers are now gone. DeAndre Ayton's still out there,
J mckis is he out there for the taking right now?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
DeAndre Ayton, Yeah, he's available, calling himself a max player,
still obviously not demanding a max contract.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
But if that's what the Lakers are doing this.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Offseason, Jake Laivia and DeAndre Ayton, maybe that they are
Tron Trede Lebron.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, so I thought this was funny, Like it's now
gotten to a point we have to laugh at it.
Caitlin Clark finished ninth in player voting. In fact, she
finished behind one of her own teammates in player voting
for the All Star Game. The pettiness has no bounds,
but it's interesting. For years, the WNBA players were pointing fingers.
(02:21):
They were saying, people are sexist, the media is sexist,
We're not being promoted, we're underappreciated, and then they get
the golden goose and they don't like what it looks like.
Iowa girl, Indiana girl, Well, who knows? And I've said
this for years. When the wave hits right it you
don't know what it looks like, don't fight it. When
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Pooka Nakua went in the fifth round of the Rams
and they suddenly in camp went, oh, we just found
a new number one receiver. He's better than Cooper Cup,
they didn't fight it. Did you think when you watched
Tom Brady at the Combine that looked like the goat?
They had just signed Drew Bledsoe to one hundred and
three million dollar contract. That was a lot of money
(03:06):
back then, and then a year in there like I
were going to go with Brady, they didn't fight it,
and Drew Bledsoe was still very very good. So you know,
there's obviously a racial component here. The WNBA players, they
just don't like what the wave looks like they wanted
to fly private, they wanted to be more popular, they
(03:29):
wanted a better deal in the CBA, which they'll get.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
They wanted sold out arenas they got it.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
They just don't They don't necessarily think it should be this.
But again, you can't fight it. You just never know
what success looks like. I mean, if every company in
the country would love to go viral every day for
free marketing, if they knew how to do it, they'd
all be viral every day. Like you just don't know.
Is it authentic? It it touches people. There's a tentacle
(03:58):
of emotion and involved and suddenly some small town kid
goes viral or a singing frog.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Who knows.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I wouldn't have guessed that Caitlin Clark would be this transformative.
I wouldn't have guessed Tom Brady would be the goat.
Don't fight it. The wave, the meteor doesn't necessarily look
like you think it's going to look right. There was
a time that somebody thought, though it wasn't it. Was
(04:29):
it the Google or the Apple glasses. I was told
that was the future. I remember being in TV and
I was told local news would be three D I
can remember working at the other place. We had an
event that was an Ohio State football game. We all
took three D glasses. I was like, this is the
future of television. At that time, nobody knew what streaming was.
(04:50):
There was no Netflix, so you just don't know what
the wave looks like when it arrives. Don't fight it,
just ride it. With that Albert Breer Monday morning quarterback
is joining us, I've lots to talk about. So I
said this. I was talking to a league executive about
two three weeks ago, and he said sometimes he felt
like the steeters were making moves to make moves. So,
(05:11):
for instance, they move off a very tall, explosive, high
maintenance receiver. After acquiring a tall explosive, high maintenance receiver,
they move off an expensive safety who's passed his prime slightly,
and then they go acquire Jalen Ramsey, who's expensive from
the secondary passed his prime slightly. So to me, they're
(05:35):
just making moves to make moves. I'd argue today they're
less talented arguably than maybe a year ago. What are
they doing with the latest Jalen Ramsey move?
Speaker 6 (05:45):
So here's what I think it is.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
Colins just from a global standpoint, they got to the
end of the year last year, and obviously, if you
got this incredible record with Mike Tomlin of being plus
five hundred over the last seventeen years running, and and
it just hasn't equaled playoff success over the last seven
or eight years. So you're knocking on this glass ceiling
and how do you break through? And I think that's
(06:10):
really why they decided to hit reset a quarterback. They
would have had Justin Fields back over Russell Wilson, but
they decide we're going to take a bigger.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Swing at that.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
So they looked at Matthew Stafford. They wind up with
Aaron Rodgers at every one of these positions. It's how
can we get a little bit better. So this core
that we have right now, and I've said this to
you over the last few weeks, has the best chance
of going and pursuing a championship. How does Cam Hayward
have the best chance of pursuing a championship?
Speaker 6 (06:35):
How does TJ.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Watt have the best chance of getting over the hump
and not being a nine win team anymore, having a
home playoff game, being able to advance when they get there,
like that's what this is all about. And so I
think to some degree, I understand what you're saying about,
like this is maybe activity for activity's sake, and maybe
it looks like that. They feel like Ramsey's a better
player than Mick Fitzpatrick. They feel like like Metcalf's a
(06:59):
better player than Pickens, and maybe those guys have less
shelf life, like maybe those guys only have two or
three years left rather than five or six years left.
But where they are right now, it was either do
this tread water at nine to ten wins or reset,
And I think they look at it as we weren't
going to break through that nine to ten eleven win
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ceiling with the group that we had, So let's roll
the dice.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Let's take a big swing.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Let's swing for the fences rather than swing for singles
and doubles, and if it works out, great, and if
it doesn't, we were going to have to rebuild anyway.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So I think if you can make March Madness as
a college basketball coach, that's why all these coaches want
eighty teams in March Madness, you retain your job in
the NFL.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
If you can make the playoffs. It's hard to fire
a coach. I think Mike Rabel.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Mike Rabel's really bad news for Mike McDaniel in Miami
because I think New England with Drake May, they don't
have to pay him for years. I think Vrabel's elite.
They spent three hundred million on like Miami's rebuilt with McDaniel,
where that was flashy, but I didn't feel there was
a lot of steak. I feel there's a lot of steak.
Lines are better with Rabel. He's a culture center, a
(08:11):
sending quarterback. We were talking about this a couple of
days ago on the show, is that Mike McDaniel came
from Kyle Shannon. There was a sense is okay, this
is forty nine ers East, I got three years. They're
not physical, it's a lot of sizzle. I don't trust them.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Out of Miami.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think Miami is a bit of a mess and
McDaniel's is in a bit of trouble for an organization
that has moved off fairly capable coaches before.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
What say you on Miami going forward?
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Well, he got his extension and I do think mc
McDaniel's a great offensive mine and there's no question that
I think he gave them a little bit more than
they had during the Brian flores ere at the end,
he gave them change they needed just the climate the
building improved, so he did give them that. That's what
I'm with you, Like, they kind of got to the
point where it's like, Okay, now I talked about that
(09:00):
ceiling with the Steelers, right, Okay, has this run its course?
And so rather than being whe the Steelers were with
a year or two left, they felt like they were
at the end with the group that they had, and
so toront Arms said retires, they trade. Jalen Ramsey, I
still think Tyreek Hill could be had if somebody made
a big offer for him.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Like I think this is.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Subtly the turning of the page from the We have
Tua Tongue of Baloa on our rookie contract, and we're
going to build aggressively, and we're going to find out
what Tua is too.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Now two is on a big contract.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
We're gonna need more from Tua and around him, we're
gonna have to get a lot younger, and so I
think this is the beginning of that process. They got
marginally younger with some of these trades and they're going
to have to rely on young guys like Patrick Paul,
who they drafted in the second round to play left
tackle last year out of the University of Houston, didn't
play last year. Now he's going to be their starting
left tackle. It's guys like that who are going to
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have to come along for them and Tua is going
to have to be better And to me, like, that's
with this hinges on. Mike McDaniel was brought in a
couple of years ago to fix to a tongue of
a loa, right, like, let's see what we can get,
Let's see where to a tongue of Alwa's ceiling is
and two has played well under Mike McDaniel in that
environment where you had him on the rookie contract, where
you could build aggressively around him. Now I think it's
(10:17):
sort of flipped where it was on Mike. To revitalize Tooa.
Now Tua has to prove that Mike was right to
stick with him, and so I think a lot of
where the Mike McDaniel are goes and Chris Spreer is
part of this as well, is going to hinge on
whether or not Tua can elevate the type of quarterback
who can lift up people around him rather than being
the point guard out there, who's just got a really
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talented group of players and he can drive the bus.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So I got into this discussion with John Middlecoff and
I were talking about the Packers. So Jordan Love, congrats
to him, just got married. Good for him. I love that.
I like my quarterbacks to be married. I know, Albert,
that sounds ridiculous. I like my mature quarterbacks to be grounded.
But it's interesting. Green is one of the mystery teams
(11:01):
in the league because we know they're well run, we
like their coach, no crazy, owner Mark Murphy's super bright,
they draft and develop well. But they are the mystery
team in the league because even Washington. I can look
at Washington and say, well, who are their five best players?
And I can point to guys green Bay's five best players. Okay,
(11:25):
I love Josh Jacobs. Kenny Clark's really good. I would argue, they, yeah,
he's So that's my point. Have they become the Colts
where we know they're well run, we know they've got
a good roster, but do they have stars? Because when
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you start looking at Philly and Detroit, and the Rams
where you could pinpoint four five guys and go okay,
those are elite difference makers in January. So my take is,
what are the Packers beyond well run in a really
good division?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
What are they today?
Speaker 7 (12:03):
So I think what's interesting is, like, what makes your
point is what they did in the first round of
the draft right where they drafted Matthew Golden out of Texas,
Because like, do they have a bunch of twos and
threes all over the roster?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I think is the question you're asking, right, and you look.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
At that receiver group, and that receiver group showed so
much promise early with guys like Christian Watson and Jaden
Reid and down Tavian Wicks, and so you saw these
guys and there's so much promise there. But does them
taking Matthew Golden in the first round basically tell you
that they view those other guys as twos and threes
and they needed to bring in another number number one.
(12:37):
Same thing at left tackle, they got Rashid Walker out,
They're pretty good player for them.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
They drafted Jordan Morgan.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
He's going to compete for the left tackle spot this
year after playing guard as a rookie.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
I think those questions are there on the roster.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
It's a really solid roster, and I think they can
roll out of bed and win eight, eight or nine
games and be in the playoff hunt. I think what
the roster needs now is sort of like what I
was just talking about with Miami, is can Jordan Love
come in and elevate the people around him? And I
think that's something we're going to see again. Like I
like Tuckerkraft, I like Watson when he gets healthy again,
I like Jayden Reed, I liked on Tavian Wicks. But
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I think the question you're asking is how many of
these guys are going to be around three or four
years from now. How many are that good that they're
going to be those sorts of cornerstones.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
And I think that's a fair question to ask.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
And the one thing that can solve that is your
quarterback starting to elevate the people around him. So I
do think like to some degree, there's a little more
pressure on Jordan Love going into this year to elevate
the guys around him, based only the dynamic that you
were just talking about on the roster.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Okay, finally, let's make because you know I know you're
probably in the beaches of the Northeast and enjoying your
fam here.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
I gave you guys a great view, by the way,
they told me.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
It was to Wendy up there, so you got like
the window unit behind me now, but there was a
great view upstairs.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Finally, do you buy the Terry McLaurin Patriots rumors? Because
I will say, Washington, and I've heard GM say this,
you don't want to spend too much money in a
singular unit once you're paying debo.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Now you have Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You've got other gaps on the offensive line, You've got
gaps in the secondary. Do you buy those rumors? I
love McLaurin. I think he's one of the real adults
in the room at that position. Do you buy the
Patriot McLaurin rumors?
Speaker 7 (14:25):
I think the Patriots would love to have Terry McLaurin
in their roster. I mean, the one connection that I
don't know enough people have made is that Mike Frable
coached and played at Ohio State, so he knows everything
that's needed to be known about Terry McLaurin, and Terry
McLaurin is most one of the most beloved players to
go through that program in the last twenty five years,
and that's not overstating it.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
And he was a captain in Washington, through a rebuild,
through the ownership situation, through the name, like all that
different stuff, Like he was kind of a Bellweather through
a lot of storms in Washington, and to be able
to pair him with a young quarterback, like he just
went through that with Jayden Daniels. It was great for
Jayden Daniel, so he'd be great for Drake May. I
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just don't see where the commanders are going to walk
away from him. I think Terry really values what he's
got in Washington, And I've talked to him about this before,
like how significant last year was for him personally, and
being there when they got over the hump and being
there when they became a real team after everything that
he went through since being drafted in twenty nineteen. Remember
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he was drafted by Jake Ruden to the Washington Redskins
at the time. He's there for the whole Ron Riverrier,
he's there for the ownership change, he's there for the
name change, all of it. So he really values having
been through all of that and having gotten them over
the hump, and dan Quinn really values Terry McLaurin, so
that negotiation is in a really tough spot right now
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because of the way the market has exploded at Receiver.
And I don't know the communication has been great to
this point, but I do think at the end and
they're too valuable to each other, and so I do
think cooler heads will prevail. But you're right, like I
think New England will be one of the first teams
on the phone if he did actually become available.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback. Enjoy your summer. Mine starts
after the show today for me, and that's great seeing you.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Happy summer.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Colin, All right, good stuff, Jmack, you're film and tomorrow right?
Are you doing the Are you doing the task tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I am, yes, very excited with all your Lakers hate.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'm cooking up so much stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
But don't you don't get it out.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Don't you think it is interesting? Though?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I really like it's restaurant under new management. I do
like when you get new owners. The Lakers have new owners.
They're really successful and they have I mean, don't you
think those guys before they bought the Lakers. Right, Like,
let's say you're Mark Walters and you're sitting there with
your investment group and the Dodgers are humming in baseball,
I mean like everything. You're leading baseball and attendance by
(16:54):
seven thousand game. So not that the Dodgers are on
cruise control, but you re signed. You extend to Dave
roberts Otani. So you're sitting there and you own like
fifteen to twenty percent of the Lakers. Why would they
buy the Lakers? Why would they spend ten billion to
buy the Lakers? Their takeaway is this is.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
An under undervalued asset.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
If it's undervalued an underperforming asset, you wouldn't buy it
at the top of the market, like you wouldn't buy
it if you thought it was brilliantly run. Generally, smart
people buy companies not at the top of the market
when they think, man, this is an incredible brand. The
TV money is coming in for the NBA and they're
not particularly well run. And then stories come out about
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the Lakers are the only team not at Sloan Analytics conference,
they're the scouting department smaller. So I think they bought
it with the intention of we're going to tighten this
thing up. We're going to button up the Lakers. So
I think Polinka's in trouble. They shouldn't be asking Lebron
at forty one or Rich Paul what to do. That
doesn't mean you alienate them, but I think these moves basically,
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let's be honest, j Mac, they sort of punted on
this year's free agency.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
It's early.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I can see that. It gives that appearance. It looks
like they're kind of punting. But if they bring in
Aiden and make another slick move, maybe they get off.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Hatchi Mora and one of the number ones. For some
you don't like it.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
You don't love Ayton as a movie, neither do I.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I don't love Ayton, but at this given the alternatives, Colin,
it's like, you know, if you dance and you want
to dance with a girl last song, what girls are available?
Maybe not the ones you love, but you take something
to your at least dancing.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I would argue this if you go back and look
what they did with the Dodgers before they got into
huge spending.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
They fixed scouting, R and D and upstairs.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
It just it stinks to have to do that in
Lebron's maybe final year of basketball. So that leads to
do they consider a Lebron trade Colin? Does Lebron say, Hey,
this team could work for me? I think if anywhere
he's going east, I just don't have a landing spot yet.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Need some more time on that, all right?
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Speaker 1 (19:43):
The Rockets and the Nuggets got better. You know I
have to ask this years ago to somebody I said,
there's been this one solvable, unsolvable and nigma mystery in sports,
and I love to find the answers. Why is something happening?
Why do we have a trend? And the West has
been better than the East for as long as even
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when Jordan was dominating the NBA, Like the West had
more quality teams. Why is the Western Conference always better
than the Eastern Conference?
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I mean, I go to next.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Year, Dallas, Okase, Houston and Denver got better in the
last twenty four hours, four excellent teams. Minnesota is still
really good. I mean, Lakers have Lebron Luke and Austin Reeves.
They're going to win a bunch of games. Golden State's
got Butler, Draymond and Steph They're going to win a
bunch of games. Like why is the East always second
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class to the West? For years, I thought, well, it's
a winter league. It starts in October and the majority
of the league is October, November, December, January, in March,
and the weather's better out West. Maybe free agents like it.
You know, you got two Western teams in Texas, San Antonio, Houston,
no state tax. Maybe that's it. And then somebody said
to me, the West has just had better owners and
(21:00):
general managers. But I'm watching yesterday and once again Houston
over the last week, Kadie and on better team Denver
adding two shooters getting off a poor better team Celtics
not as good, Tatum injury, porzingis gone. I mean, who
knows what happens with Derek White. So I still contend
(21:23):
if the Lakers were honest about what they are now,
I would make an Austin Reeves Derek White trade tomorrow
if it was available. I think Derek White's a much
better defender and a better three point shooter. But story today,
Lakers are not even gauging interest around the league on
Austin Reeves, So this is.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Kind of what you have.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Which, by the way, if you put the Lakers, if
Luca Lebron, Ruy Hatchemora and Austin Reeves were out.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
East, I think they could vie for.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
The third best team. Maybe they could vie for the
Eastern Conference championship. With that Haliburton and Tatum. I really
believe that in the West.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
No way.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Jmack with the news, No, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Well, we've got some more Lebron updates. Colin, Listen, this
is starting. I don't want to say we're at def
Con one or anything like that, but maybe deaf Con three.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
The bread combs continue to add up.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
According to Rich Paul, four teams have been poking around
about trading for Lebron James Now. Just to put full
clarity here, Brian Windhorst, who's all over the Lebron stuff,
says that trade is highly unlikely. Others are saying, hey, listen,
keep an eye on the Mavericks, although I find that
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hard to believe that the Lakers would steal Luca and
then trade Lebron. Goat back to the Mads. I know
there's the Kyrie a d angle. I don't buy it.
But Colin, I think we're getting to that discussion.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yes, you don't trade.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Lebron, but if Lebron says, hey trade me here, do
you have to listen?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
It's really straight?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah? I mean, could I not at least make the
argument if you're a Laker fan, the time to start
over is when you still have assets but you're not
a championship team. If you can look in the mirror
and go forty one year old Lebron Austin Reeves did
get worked in the playoffs. Luca's your guy, but he's
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an old twenty six. And what do the Lakers need?
They need an infusion of youth, because that's what San
Antonio has and what Houston has and what Oklahoma City has.
Like to me, there's a real argument, if you're honest
about it, this is as good as Lebron's gonna get.
Lebron could go into the season at forty one, rip
(23:41):
up an ACL and it's over.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Listen, listen, Okay, I've had enough of glass half full,
Colin on the day before you leave town. Okay, stop
with the negativity for Lebron and the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
I would move him. I would consider it.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Okay, So now that's the discussion, because he's gonna make
like fifty.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Two million next to somebody.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I mean again, I'm not saying this is not an
anti Lebron, but there is a time and a place.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
I mean, New England moved off Brady. He went and
won a Super Bowl the following year.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Some of that was Brady wanting to get the hell
out well.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Aaron Rodgers Packers moved off him two years earlier. He
was an MVP like all legends. Well, very rarely does
the legend control the end.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Listen, if Lebron goes on a darkness retreat, I'm okay
offloading him, all right, but he's not.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Doing that, So I'll just put this out there. Colin.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
He's in the final year of his contract. Lebron plays
his final year, retires, you have a huge opening.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
On your roster.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I don't want to take on bad contracts moving off Lebron.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I don't want three four year deals, right, I want
to just remembering books cleaned.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
The Mark Walters Group has no loyalty to Lebron.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Genie Bust did this ownership group.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It is all about assets. It's credits and debts, assets
and liabilities.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
That's all it is. To the new ownership group.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
These guys with the Dodgers moved off Zach Granky, Manny Machado,
Corey Seeger, Corey Bellinger. And you could say, well, Lebron,
Lebron all they care about. They look I guarantee you
they look at Luca as the gem. That's their O Tammy,
that's their Mookie Betts Luca. It's not forty one year
old Lebron. That to me, I'm they're looking at that thinking,
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this may be the moment, this may be the man
we all know. Well, Geenie Buss is gonna be the
governor of the operation. So was Mark Cuban with Dallas.
When somebody pays ten billion, they're gonna do what they
want to do.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Certainly, all right, let's move on to a team.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
You know, we don't really talk about that much in
the OKAC Thunder for their fourteen fans. Colin, let's talk
about him for a second year. Kevin Durant, who started
his career in Seattle, then went to OKAC, knows a
little bit about the Thunder, and he went on Lebron's
Mind the Game podcast and broke down the thunders Dinah's
feet potential.
Speaker 9 (26:00):
And be that guy for the rest of his career.
What is Jayla, Wims and Chat gonna be? You know
what I'm saying. Of course, they're playing great right now,
but those three guys gotta keep you I mean, is
already at that level. But those two guys gotta keep
your married. I mean, that's just the facts of it
or anything. Those two guys gotta keep stepping up and
become perennial All Stars, doubt, no doubt All Stars every
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year without the benefit of having a good team that
sets yes, he's got to be All Star flat out.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Remember this too, j Mac.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Young.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Teams that don't have a title the regular season means
a ton. Don't be shocked if OKC wins sixty or
fifty eight games next year. They're not pedal to the medal.
That's not the way it works. The minute teams win championships,
Young Tim Duncan the coaching staffs like, I'm not wearing
my guys out. So next year they may not have
a number one seed. That's I mean, they're not gonna
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look like they did this year. You're gonna get a
lot of bench, you're gonna get fewer minutes for your stars.
They don't win like sixty one games, sixty two games
in the regular season, but they won't. They're not good
enough offensively to be a dynasty.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
They're not. I mean, if Halliburton doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I'm not sure they beat I'm not sure they beat Indiana.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I'm fairly certain.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
The last team to get at to win the title
and then get out his second round was like the
Kevin Durant Curry Warriors. It's just it's been tough to
win the title. You know everybody's coming for you. You take
your foot off the gas and the next year you.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Slip up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
So we'll see, I'm not buying a dynasty nonsense.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Just to put it out there. Final story, let's go
to the NFL colin.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
The Miami Dolphins obviously made a big move yesterday trading
Jalen Ramsey and John who Smith to the Steelers from
Minka Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Well, former Miami running back.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Right he mostered ripped the Dolphins, tweeting out hot take
be a pro bowler. All the Dolphins get treated like bleep.
Happy for my guys though, go ball out, yeah, Jeff.
Sean McVay bailed on Jalen Ramsey. Why Jalen Ramsey's doing
whatever Jalen Ramsey wants to do. I mean to bias
(28:09):
yourself right now. The Rams have kind of a no
name group in the secondary and they're just fine like that.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
When Sean McVay moves off a.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Guy, why Cooper Cup he was regressing Jalen Ramsey doing
his own thing.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
So, I mean Aaron Donald was different. They would have
kept him.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
But Jalen Ramsey anytime he's been in an organization without
great structure Jacksonville in Miami, he's not as good as
you think he should be. That to be honest about it,
he's not like in La he was great, and then
that last year You're like, he got burned a couple
of times in the playoffs badly because he's doing his
He's biting on stuff looking for the pick. That's like
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the NBA guy that wants steals instead of playing good
team defense.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I called him a pile inspector, and all these Dolphin
fans got upset at me.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I'm like, he's just not what he was. He was
a star, he's not anymore.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Jmack with the News, Well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News. The other story today,
J Mack, that we touched on briefly. Uh, basically, the
Bucks bought out the Dame Lillard contract, so uh. Jannis
reportedly did not like that. They did get Miles Turner,
who I think is an upgrade over Brook Lopez. Lopez
(29:26):
aged going to the Clippers. Miles. I like Miles, Miles
and Lopez are the same big guys can shoot a three.
I think Miles is a better rim protector at this point.
I you know, I don't know what the analytics say,
but I like Miles Turner more at this point than
Brook Lopez. So they upgrade a little bit in the post.
But apparently Yannis isn't terribly happy. But you know, it's
a classic example. Yannis can keep pointing fingers and blaming people.
(29:51):
It's like w NBA players, they keep blaming, blaming, blaming.
You don't pay attention to us, Caitlin Clark Arrives. We
all pay attention, and they don't. They don't like the
way their growth looks. Yannis can keep blaming people and
do this passive aggressive stuff on Instagram. Bro, you were
not a championship team three years ago, and so you
you don't want to leave. Let's be honest, you don't.
(30:12):
You want to be seen as a nice guy in
loyal I get that nobody wants to be hated. But
to me, Milwaukee is screaming reboot. That is a total
start over. And we can't keep blaming ownership of the
MAVs because they're just limitations on what you can do. Here.
Here is Chris Haynes today on NBA TV, on Yannis
(30:36):
on Damian Lillard being waived.
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Sources that relate to me that Kupo is not pleased
with the bucks decision to buy out Damian Lillar for
the remainder of his contract, and he just didn't like
how it was handled. There are some you know, suspect
things happening or the way that they are happening, and
so I was told he is he is not pleased
(30:59):
with what what trashpot?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Well, you're the one that kind of demanded a big
swing and we all knew when Dame arrived you'd be
a better offensive team from three and the worst defensive team.
So the Bucks are trying to appeal to you, but
I've said one their title was four years ago. This
to me is screaming movie ho us six first rounders, unprotected,
(31:22):
all star level ish player, rotational players, start over. You
got a title with Kareem, you got a title with Giannis.
And there's a lot of great franchises that never won
a Super Bowl, a Stanley Cup or a title. You
get one, don't. I mean Denver's got one with the
jokis the best player in the world. They they may
not get another. OKC got one like Toronto got one.
(31:45):
There's no guarantee. Milwaukee's not a big free agent market.
Players in a winner league are not dying to get
to the tundra. So it's like you got a title,
you got hardware, you got a banner, your second start over,
it's the Herd.
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Speaker 1 (32:27):
You know, I was thinking about this, j Mac. I
actually think Justin Fields for your New York Jets. If
you go look at his numbers last year in Pittsburgh,
they were pretty encouraging. Now were their promises made to
Russell Wilson. I don't know, but Justin Fields was not.
I mean's foreign to if you extrapolate his numbers out,
they were pretty solid numbers. They're pretty solid, So he's
(32:48):
going to get a full run this year, and I
think he should. But if Michael Pennix can play for Atlanta,
I think he can. If cam Ward is as good
as we both think in Tennessee, and if Caleb and
Ben Johnson works. So that's three more teams that have quarterbacks.
We are reaching a little Next year is supposed to
be a good quarterback draft. So the Giants went and
(33:10):
got Jackson Dart. I'm not a buyer, but if he's
gonna work, Dave Boll certainly helps. We've only gotten now
Indie Saints. Cleveland Giants do not have their quarterback, and
the Giants may think I don't know what they think,
but they may think they do have it with Jackson Dart.
So the Giants you kind of wait and watch it develop.
(33:31):
But it does feel like we're reaching a saturation point.
If Pennix, cam Ward, and Caleb hit, you know, I'm
being optimistic. I liked all three out of college. I
think they're all gonna. I think Ben Johnson's gonna ensure
Caleb works. I think the Callahan, Brian Callahan, and cam Ward,
I think it's gonna work, and I always like Pennix,
(33:51):
but it's you know, you get to a point now.
The coaching is better than it's ever been. Offensive coaching
is much better than it's ever been. Quarterbacks are playing more,
taking more snaps by eighth ninth grade than they ever
have there. It always feels like every year there's seven
to eight teams that need a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
But what's happening, J.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Mack is because of the offensive coaching is so good
that guys like Gino, Donald and Baker and this never
used to be the case. They're now hitting on a
third or a fourth team and have I mean, like
Baker Mayfield now is absolutely a top fifteen quarterback.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Yeah, Sam Donald, I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Know where he ranks, but in terms of talent arm talent,
he's a top fifteen arm talent and so and Gino
we can complain.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
He just got a huge new deal.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
There's not a lot of teams now in this league
that literally have really absolutely guaranteed don't know if they have,
they don't have the guy in the building.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Hold on, I think I could find five, right, all right,
all right, so let's start with the Cleveland Browns. They
absolutely have no idea and if Stefanski gets run, it's
going to be a new racing Indianapolis Colts. Remember we
saw Shane Steichen on that list. If he gets fired.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Question forget Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
This one's you know, New Orleans Saint Stage just drafted.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
A guy they got nothing. I like Bryce Young as
a person.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
So I don't think he good guy. I think he
can play. I don't have numbers in front of me,
but I thought last year. I thought last year watching him,
I'm like, oh, that he can start in the NFL.
I don't think you have to go draft a quarterback
in the first round next year. I think Bryce. I
think Bryce Young can play. I don't think he's great,
(35:32):
but I do think he's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
He's got ye So so two more uh and this one.
You know, we'll see what happens in Arizona. I'm bullish
on them this year, but colin the Kyler Murray stuff
at some point like they're probably gonna run in and
if he doesn't get a lot of wins, and then.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
It's like, what are we doing with Kyler Murray is
a franchise guy.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I would I would say this Indy Saints, Cleveland, No,
And in one year Pittsburgh Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I think Jets, come on, you really think Justin Fields
is gonna be awf him and get like a.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Three year deal.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Justin Fields checks a lot of boxes, big Mobile liked.
I don't know if he's a good leader or not,
so I don't have an opinion, but he's a big kid,
got a whip, moves well. Everybody that plays with him
likes him. He's not disruptive, and he's gonna get this year.
My take on Justin Fields is he's one of those guys.
(36:26):
It just depends on if the staff likes him. I
don't think he jumps off. But Darnold Now, Baker Now
and Gino they got big deals like they're franchise quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
You don't have to think they're.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Great, but they're they're so we just Pittsburgh's one of
the only teams with Indy, The Saints, Cleveland, Pittsburgh in
one year from now, they're absolutely going drafting a cord.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I think if the Giants fire Dable, they're drafting a quarterback.
Like you said, Jackson Dart new guy's not gonna inherit him.
Let me just throw this other one out. I don't
think it's an issue. But if JJ McCarthy's wobbly and
all these report it's about, oh, we don't know, let's.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Go back get someone else.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Do the Vikings take a bite of a quarterback next
year in the draft somewhere.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
It's a very good point. Remember they didn't give up
a haul for JJ McCarthy. I think they gave up
a fourth and a fifth. So they did not sell
the farm for JJ McCarthy. You remember there were all
these rumors teams were moving up. No, they were more
interested to we found out for the draft in Pennix.
So they didn't give away the farm. And by the way,
my staff looked it up, Bryce Young's last eight games
(37:30):
without a number one receiver twelve touchdowns and three picks. Okay,
not a very good offensive roster, did not have a
number one and they drafted Team Ac from Arizona. They
have a number one receiver. So so. And I also think,
like I was never a huge fan of brock Pretty
or Tua.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
But the organizations like them. It doesn't matter what I think.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Tua is their franchise, Guy Brock is the Niners, doesn't
matter what I think I just think we're getting to
a point in the NFL. There's three or four teams
that don't know and next year I think those are
all going to be solved, because it's right now you're
looking at four to five first round guys. The quality
of coaching, the quality of seven on seven camps, the
(38:13):
quality of quarterback coaching, like, uh, you know the people
that we bring on the show that do this for
a living.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
So you mentioned Tua Colin as a franchise guy with McDaniel, Yes,
And we had an interesting conversation about McDaniel yesterday and
somebody texted me, why would we give Peyton Manning couldn't
win a playoff game in his first five appearances, and
yet here we are Mike McDaniel year three with Tua
in and out of the lineup, and we're ready to
(38:41):
say Mike McDaniel not a good coach. Like, is there
a different bit of a double standard for quarterbacks and coaches?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
A little yes?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yes, I mean you're paying Yeah, I mean I think
the Yeah, absolutely, there's a different standard.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I mean I think you're all in on Tua. You've
paid for it. He's a star player. Owners look at
that differently than a coach that can't win a playoff game.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Peyton Manning was the number one high school Peyton number
was the number one college player. Peyton Manning was a
number one pick nobody ever. And by the way, Archie
Manning was a on a bad team, but Archie Manning
was very talented. Peyton Manning was viewed as a quarterback prodigy.
He was very much in the John hill Way class.
You're like, oh, this is a superstar and so yeah,
(39:28):
I mean Mike McDaniels, he was a He was an
assistant coach in a system in Kyle Shanahan where Kyle
called everything. Peyton Manning was a one of the best
high school quarterbacks ever, one of the highest prospects, a
number one pick, and very early in his career was
considered almost you know, a little bit of a teeth clincher,
(39:50):
but I mean, like cerebrally next level. Yeah, I mean,
there's no Peyton Manning was like Matt Stafford. When Peyton
Manning wasn't winning in the postseason, it was like it
wasn't a Peyton Manning issue, it was what's surround him.
When Matt Stafford wasn't winning in Detroit, number one high schooler,
number one college, number one pick, one of the best
(40:12):
three arms in the league.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
It wasn't Matt Stafford. It was the junk around him.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
So can we say, hey, it's not Mike McDaniel's fault,
it's the junk around him.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
The GM what the hell are you doing? Like, I
know that I'm.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Giving McDaniel way too much of a pass, but Colin
his history of play calling in Miami has been tremendous
and working with the TUA backup quarterbacks, all those personalities. Again,
I'm way more bullish on him. I don't know about TUA,
but I like McDaniel a lot with mine.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I don't dislike McDaniel, but I've seen this before, where
you know, Zach Taylor comes out of the Sean McVeigh tree,
and Sean McVay loves him, and he's obviously capable.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
The Bengals got to a Super Bowl. But are we giving.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Zach Taylor early in his career a benefit of a
doubt because of McVeigh. If Mike McDaniel have come from Tennessee,
but he comes from Shanahan, so he gets a little
bit of the glow of Shanahan and might take his
three years in. They've spent money, they've had stars. I
just don't there's nothing there. I think they finish third
(41:15):
or fourth in the division. It's yeah, I think it's
a possibility.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I'd be a fall from grace.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
All right, Urban Meyer love having him on. Is going
to join us. We're not that far out.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Man. Stuff is moving Tyler Adams midi for the United
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