July 7, 2025 • 40 mins
LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox are in for Colin Cowherd and explain how LeBron is the only thing keeping the NBA relevant this time of year. The Raiders will be the most "Feel Good, Last Place Team" this season. Plus, OnlyFans, fake athletes, tiring out Travis Hunter and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:01):
Monday morning, after a long holiday weekend. I got it first.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
After a long week. I don't know why we can't
just be happy for Deshaun Watson. Why do you have
to be so negative about the whole thing. The guy
got married. Congratulations with Deshaun Watson. He's got a one
point three million dollar ring he does yeah, or she
does says his his band is worth up to one
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point three million. Oh, some people have had that saying
you can't have money. Let me ask you that. Why
why is it worded that way? Worth up to one
point three million? Because it's only worth what somebody's willing
to spend, right could it? Could?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It could a praise for that amount? What is there
incentives in it? Like, well, if you meet all these incentives,
it'll be worth one point three million?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Like what like don't go to the grab lab? Can
it be worth one point three You can't clean it
with a towel that keeps the vaalua. That's that's the incentive.
Don't don't clean it with a street tal is tal
is cleaner. That's a great point, all right.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So with that being said, speaking speaking of Ohio, okay,
Lebron James was hanging out at the Calves Practice facility
and there was a there was a picture that went
out of him there and some people started to speculate, oh,
is he going back home? Is he going back to Cleveland?
This and that and he basically were spawned on social
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media with something along the lines of I live here,
I practice here, every off season. There's nothing different about this.
You practice at the Cavaliers. Yeah, works out there all
the time. He works out there constantly because he lives
out there, and so he said, that's not strange. No,
I don't think so he does it every year, and
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he's that's not strange every year not. I mean whatever,
he's working out there. It's their practice that's strange.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yes to me, I don't know, all right, but there's
one hundred different places you could go work out other
than another team in the National Basketball Association, So that
doesn't come across this strain. Well, he's.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Okay, But his point was, I'm here every off season.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Are you all that bored? Go get another plate of food? Okay?
But is every off season like this for Lebron James.
That's the question Lebron has to ask himself, and that's
the question that needs to be asked and answered. Does
this off season give you something different than any other
off season? The answer has to be yes, really, yes,
it does because of the uncertainties of what's going to
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take place, based off of the selling of the team
of the Lakers, based off of bringing in Luka Doncic,
based on on where where they are as a team,
and and to me, it just seems like the handwriting
is on the wall that that this Lakers team is
possibly positioned themselves to be able to move on from
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Lebron James. So in that context, yes, I mean he
has to know that. I don't. I'm you can't be
upsetting up in arms if people are looking at you
doing something that you've always done. But in the moment
of where that could be a possibility of a destination
for him to land, he's there working out. That's strange.
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I mean, but that's strange, like if he was working
out in South Beach, if he was working out, I mean,
I don't know if he's hold on. Now. If he's
in South Beach and he's working out on the beach
or on Ocean alf, you might be like, Okay, speculate
and he can give you a legitimate I just like
being in Miami, I'm always in Miami. If he's in
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Cleveland and he's in the flats or he's just doing
what he's doing somewhere in and around Cleveland, he can
take the speculation and he can drown out the special speculation.
He can he can he can lead it. He can
he can eliminate it. You're working out at the Cleveland
Cavaliers facility, that's weird. I don't know if I was
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playing for to Washington back when I was playing for
the Washington Ridskins and then Washington Ridskins, if I were
to be in Texas and I'm working out at the
Dallas Cowboys facilities, because I've always worked out there first
and foremost, Why would I always work out at the
Dallas Cowboys facility for there? Man, that's weird. B Well,
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that's weird. I don't know how you don't see it
that it's weird or you're being an instigator's weird? That
is weird. He does it every officious and there's nothing
new about this. It's weird the first time he did it, Okay,
But if he does it this mean it doesn't make
it unwird that he's doing it for years. It makes
it weird that it's not weird. Look, I think that
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he enjoys the speculation. I think he stirs that up
a lot. I think that's you know, he can try
and be dismissive of it and say, well, you know,
you guys need to get a life basically, and go
get another plate of food, and I'm here every off season.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I think he likes to stir it up. He probably
knows deep down this is going to generate some sort
of reaction somewhere or another. I look at it from
a general standpoint, this is another indication that the NBA
without Lebron, what do you got? Because when he's gone
and the end is near, what is there? Like he
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really is the lifeblood of topics and discussion in the
National Basketball Association.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
He's great at it.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And if this is all winding down and he's out
in the next couple of years, people that cover the NBA,
people that love to talk about the league, Oh, it's
not as bad as everybody thinks it is. And you know,
they get pissed off and we point out that the
separation between the NFL and the NBA. You better start
stirring up some other storylines or stirring up some other stars.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
In the league.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And I don't know, this isn't a face of the NBA,
It's a life of the NBA. And without Lebron James,
it feels like the NBA is on life support when
it comes to interest, intrigue and talking point.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
What else. Is there talent? Let's say there's talent. Yeah,
there's talented, are talented stars, you have some older talented stars,
you have star power in the NBA? Is it interesting?
I would say the better question would be does the
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NBA have enough relevance and enough to me cache to
be interesting outside like what Lebron James, or like Shaquille O'Neill,
or like a Kobe Bryant, or like a Michael Jordan
or a Magic Johnson? Do they have the ability to
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Is there a player that exists that can transition into
those positions of interest outside of the talent on the court?
I don't. I think there are personalities within the NBA
that could be those. But I find myself asking the question,
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are we in a day and age? Are we in
a time where social media and different things have taken
away It's really taken away the ability. It's desensitized fans.
It's desensitized fans, and for what it's worth, I think
it has desensitized athletes as well. How do you build
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as big as Shaquille O'Neill or Michael Jordan if you
can get a hold of them so easily. Now granted,
when Lebron James was coming in that transitional phase, was
that stage was taking place, so he wasn't all the
way fully acclimated to being in a world where social
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media dominant technology dominated it. Now. While you may see
the NFL because it leans so deep into the brand
and the shield that they don't seem to be losing
any momental and in fact, maybe even picking up momentum.
But in basketball, it's such a personality driven sport that
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when you see the guys like Shaquille O'Neil, you see
them in person and it's like you've met like somebody
that came like from somewhere else. You meet these guys
and there was this sense of just wow, I just
met this person. That element is gone, and I think
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the homy element is there, like working out at a
different facility that is in the NBA and you play
for another team, the exchanging of jerseys which happens in football.
But I just feel like it's weird how cool guys
are these days. And they're not only cool with one another,
they're cool with the fan bases. Like that connection is there,
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and I don't think that the relevance of like the
praise factor or the the you know, posting them high
on a pedestal type deal. Don't. I don't feel like
that's prominent anymore. And I don't think that players actually
prioritize trying to be that type of a personality or
a brand. I really don't.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
We've talked about this before to where the NFL has
its own ecosystem, where the NBA is starved for we
need a superstar, we need big markets happy to drive.
And in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes plays in Kansas City
like Rogers was in Green Bay. It doesn't like the NFL.
Anybody could be a great team with a great quarterback,
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and because it's its own ecosystem, it supersedes all the
other big market celebrity status that comes along with it. Man,
it's not like Patrick Mahomes has got this you know,
vibrant personality and this real colorful No guy just plays football.
He plays football, and he's on a team with with
you know, with the tight end who's dating Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Like it's just it's became more relevant than football. It's
so don't think that football isn't guilty of trying to
find ways to leverage celebrity as well.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah, but football's not determined on one player, like the
success and conversation around the NFL isn't just determined on
one player man Tom Brady retired sweet and next time
the next like John Elway.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I think it comes down to what you mentioned earlier
is the relevance of the franchises. Like Green Bay is
not a big market, it's not a great market, but
the relevance of the franchise drives it. Right. The people
love their their franchise, the communities rally around their franchise.
They create a very very nice size, captive audience. You
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have that in the NFL, and it's because of the Shield,
and it's because of the brands of those franchises. You
have that in a few teams and NBA, but you
don't have that collectively. So the relevance of what you're
trying to do has to exist in certain certain markets
in order for it to be as impactful as you
need it to be. And that's why you always try
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to keep the Lakers as strong as you can, maybe
keep the Knicks as strong as they can, try to
keep the Chicago Bulls as strong as you can. You
saw what they just did with the Dallas Mavericks. You
try to keep the Dallas Mavericks as strong as you can.
You have to try to keep those those anchor teams,
those anchor markets. You gotta try to keep them stocked
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up with some type of relevant talent because you're not
the franchises in these different markets. You just had Okay,
see when when it all what's the buzz? Well that's
what what was the what was the what was the parade?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Like?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
After?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
You know, And I asked this question for anybody that's
driving around right now or listening on the podcast, Take
Lebron James out of the NBA, what do you want
to talk about?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Dang Like, Honestly, you have to be a real fan
of the game to be able to answer your question.
And I think that's the biggest indict. Now. I loved
the NBA Finals. I thought it was great because it
was great basketball and you didn't have any drama. There
was no like, no subplots or issues going on. It
was just two really good teams who were pretty evenly matched,
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much more evenly matched. And I think a lot of
to Lebron James or Shaquille or Kevin growing Net or
there's Kevin Durant or Steph Kirk. How many of those
guys were in that series. Well, that's the thing. Many none,
but that's but no, But that's that's great. That's the thing.
And those are the two best teams in the playoffs.
You know, it was a great series. I I had
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thoroughly enjoyed it. But I look at the NBA differently
to where I think a lot of people focus on
this storyline attached to it and the name brand attached
to it, and after Lebron, you don't have a lot
of that. There's not a lot of that going on.
And with Lebron's career winding down, I think people are
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going to get a harsh Sjoser reality when he's gone, Oh,
we've got to actually like put some work in and
really start pushing some You don't realize how much he
carried on us. Wow, that's a great point. I mean,
and even earlier you talked about we talked about JPP
and the fireworks situation. If you have something that happens
in a major market, which by the way, it's interesting
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that JPP was a giant and Odell Beckham makes the
catch as a giant, like it's certain markets where if
you do something personally, it can take your brand beyond
the scope of just being a helmet in jersey and cleats.
But it doesn't happen very often. You get used to
seeing guys with helmets on being totally covered up, and
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it's what the team is doing. In fact, in most cases,
it's actually set up for the coaches to actually become
the stars of what's taking place. You look at the
coaches and they're they're singled out. You know, look at
how many times we looked at zerses On on the
New York side line before he got before he got
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I can, right, you can look at Stefanski, He's got
to look to him. You you look at day Ball,
It's like he's got to look to him. You you
look at you know, any of these coaches in and
around the league, they get a ton of attention because
you can see them. You can see them. The dynamic
of how we how we bring in or or how
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we digest and how we receive the content from from
football is much different than how we receive it from basketball.
We are looking we almost look at basketball players as entertainers,
like singers or actors, right, because you can see them
you can see them. And so with that being said,
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if you can see these guys and listen, they're putting
them in commercials like the I think Progressive had uh
the OKAC, thunder Kids and the guys in their commercial,
and you had the Big Three in their commercial and
stuff like that. They get commercials and they are relevant
to the audiences that are consuming them. It's just that
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you don't have that next level brand like a Lebron
James that's in the pipeline to actually carry it. From
a megastar standpoint, there's not one that exists. I can't
think of one personality. Anthony Edwards is the only personality
that you can say is comparable to the personalities that
we've gotten to know through the years where you want
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to know that individual in particular. But you don't have
a Kevin Garnett, you don't have a Paul Pierce. You
don't have those type of very big personalities that are
making you look at the game from an entertainment standpoint
of the storylines, not just the game itself and what
the outcomes of the games are. And that's something that
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when once Lebron James leaves, you're gonna have to figure
out what that conversation is owne dry, the well is
dry once he's gone. By the way, Steph Curry, you
got Steph Curry. That's about it. Steph Curry, Draymond Green,
and I mean, if we're talking in the animals of
being the greatest ever, you'll say maybe Draymond falls in
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like a Dennis Rodman type of category, right, Like you
had a superstar in Dennis Rodman but was never thus star,
but yet his brand was very pronounced. That's Draymond Green.
So you have it in Draymond Green and Steph Curry.
There might be a couple more if we really really
dig deep for it. But I mean, it's just it's
not to the level of what we're talking about with
a Lebron James.
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Speaker 3 (18:10):
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Speaker 4 (18:18):
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Speaker 3 (18:33):
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It is the Herd here on Fox Sports radio, LaVar Arrington,
Jonas Knox tearing it out the frame here on a Monday,
whoa coming on a little over twenty minutes from now?
As we feel in college, that's how you feel. Over
twenty minutes from now, we are going to tell you
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about somebody who has cracked the code of a superstar
in the world of sports. So cracking of the code
of a superstar in the world of sports gotta be
yours here, Come on. I mean, it's crazy to think,
like we're sitting here joking about it, and it's very
it's like very real. It's like very real. Like that
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is astonishing.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Hey, there's ways you can make money these days, you know,
there's all sorts of ways you can make.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Iggy Azelia, we're her only fans, makes the same amount
in a year that James Harten does at thirty six
million dollars. Stop playing with me. Go ahead, Iggy, get
me get your cash. Maybe she had a better step back,
I don't know, haang. Maybe so you got something that's
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better that's for thirty six million once you got yeah,
all right. Anyway, they're athletes.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Too, they sure are, yes, uh is Joey Chestnut an
athlete uh.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
People think people think people think that professional eaters are athletes.
They're not.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Because he was on ESPN he's an athlete. Okay, all right,
cornhole is considered a sport. Is eating food considered a sport? No,
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It's not a physical feat or an athletic feet to
compete with somebody on eating food and the amount that
you can eat. You don't think you don't find that
to be competitive. What is the breakdown of what sport is?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Do you know how many people that compete with on
the drive home? If I want to get to the
stoplight faster, if I want to beat somebody in traffic,
like that doesn't make me an athlete. I'm not racing
on days of thunder because I beat some guy to
the off ramp. I'm on the way home because the one
on one's a disaster. Like I've just said, like competition,
you can compete in everything. It doesn't make it a sport.
But people think, well it's on ESPN, it must be
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a sport. Really, Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
An activity involving physical exertion is is eating physical exertion competitively?
If you're eating, is that physical exertion? Put physical exertion.
You could get that doing a lot of I'm just
I'm just asking, come on, lea jump on in. Yes, yes,
that physical exertion. Okay, okay, Now does it something that
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Does it involve a skill in which an individual has
to utilize it to to compete? Yeah? They train? Is
it a skill to be able to eat competitively? Yes?
What do you think? Don't it's so cool? A skill? Cool?
That's awesome. Like there's guys that can juggle the lives?
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Is it? Is it used? Is it? Is it used
as a form of entertainment? Absolutely? Then it's a sport
a right by definition competitive eating. Joey Chestnut is an athlete.
Is physical exertion? Is cornhole a sport? There's physical exertion,
and there is if you've ever cornholed, by the way,
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if you've ever if you've ever played the game, it
takes skill to be able to do it. There's a
hand coordination. I'll say this right now. There's not a
person at the network who could beat me at cornall,
not one, not one. They get lit on fire. I
think we should start bringing one in and playing during
the break. Okay, Oh god, you don't want any of
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the yeah, I mean, nobody's just I think that would
be the cockroaches and the bets. And they got that,
they got that sonar, so you know they're going to
get the bags in there, all right.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
So so yeah, again herdline, he was coming up a
little over fifteen minutes from now cracking the code of
a superstar athlete. By the way, So Max Crosby does
the Sack Summit that he hosts with Cam Jordan and
Vond Miller.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
They all get together Vegas. Yeah, it's awesome, and you've
seen this sort of with the tight ends and a
lot of these position groupings getting together and just trying
to work and get better. And so he was talking
just about the success that they're looking for in Las Vegas,
and he said, quote individual success and things like that
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are awesome, but it's not why you play the game.
You play to win. We just saw it in the NBA. Okay,
see just a couple of years ago, was one of
the worst teams in the league, but they had a
lot of young guys, they trusted the process they developed,
and now they're world champions.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Were trying to win. I want to win so badly.
I put everything into it. I want everybody else to
think like that, and that's been my goal, just bringing
as many guys.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Along as I possibly can. That was Max Crossby talking
about his desire for the Raiders to start winning some
games there. I don't believe that the Raiders are going
to be a factor when it comes to the playoffs,
when it comes to, you know, competing for a super
Bowl in that division, I don't. But what I would say,
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it does feel for the first time in a long time.
And this isn't a shot at Antonio Pierce. I just
think he was in a situation where they had no
real plan or direction.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
It does feel like they've at least got some plan
and got some direction. I don't think it's going to
result in them winning a bunch of games and they're
going to the postseason, but Gino Smith is an upgrade.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You've got Pete Carroll there.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
There's a whole bunch of energy in the building, Tom
Brady's involvement, spy text, there is the GM. It does
at least feel like they're on the path heading in
the right direction after a lot of years of what
are we doing? We're just reacting to the Gruden firing
and trying to make a bunch of moves that just
failed miserably. From everybody's info and input into the organization,
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all those moves failed. It didn't work, and now at
least there on the path hopefully getting back to where
they're a respected organization.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I mean, keep in mind, they added Asked and genty
to the team that got brock Bowers. I mean, they
got some talent on this team. But it's the AFC West,
So let's reel in ourselves on getting carried away about
they have the right direction. Geno Smith is a fine
quarterback quarterback? Is he is he a bona fide franchise
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guy that can go into the a f C West
and contend against the likes of Patrick Mahomes uh Justin Herbert,
which I mean obviously you know that that goes without
saying that it could be a he defines himself this year,
or it could be he could be just a you know,
a guy that we keep saying should be a franchise
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guy but isn't quite a franchise guy. And and then
you got Buddy in Denver and Bo knicks Man, and
I think bow Knicks has the capabilities with Sean Payton
as his coach, which, by the way, if you bring
into the coaches, uh, the coaches into the fold, Pete
Carroll arguably is the odd man out just because of
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how old he is. I mean, trying to re establish it,
trying to established what you created at his age in
a new space where things have been so Chotzi turvy
is very chaotic, and it's probably going to be very
difficult because then you got Andy Reid over here, who's
already got his systems in place and it works. It's
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an auto Palotte. You got. You got Harball over here,
who has proven he is bar none like second to
nobody in terms of being a dope coach. And I
look for them to take a tremendous step forward this
year with him having a little bit of time under
his belt now, and then you have Sean Payton, like
talk about is there a better Is there a better
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division of coaches in the in the National Football League
in one singular concentrated place. Probably not. Andy Reid has
super bowls? Uh, What's what's PA has super Bowls? Uh?
Pete Carroll's got a Super Bowl. Pete Carroll's got a
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Super Bowl. Harball has a Super Bowl appearance. So national
championship and he's a national championship guy. I just you know,
I think that it sounds good and much like when
John Mattin told me my second year in the league
that he would bungee Cord out of the Goodyear Blimp
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at the fifty yard line for the halftime show if
the Washington Redskins at the time, now the Commanders had
made it to the Super Bowl. I think if John
was still living and had an interview with Max Crosby,
he would most likely respond to Max Crosby the same
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way he responded to me when he asked me, did
we have a legitimate chance with our team to be
able to make it to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Look, in Max's defense, he just said, you know, they're
trying to win games. They're trying. You know, he's trying
as much as he can. He was rewarded with the
contract extension this year. I don't think click. I said
that they are a factor from a playoff standpoint. But
don't you feel better about him? No, you don't feel better.
Should you feel better about it? Because they upgraded a quarterback,
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they've got a coach who's actually got support unlike you,
guy Antonio peace. That's what you thought that Antonio Pears
had support. I mean it sounded as though they were
supporting ap to built this team and built the culture,
and then they went away from him after a year.
They've not done anything that's really different from what they've
done in the past. They've made splash hires in the past.
(29:35):
You don't think Geno Smith's enough created a quarterback? Yes,
because I didn't have a starting quarterback last year, but
he I too far off from a backup quarterback that's
now a starting quarterback. I mean, let's not get carried
away here. Gino Smith is a fine football player. He's
not an elite. Do you look at him as one
of the elite quarterbacks in the league right now? No?
(29:57):
Then what are we talking about? Like? What? What? What?
That is the wrong team? And though if Geno Smith
went to a different team and a different division, sure,
the NFC WES is wide opened, right.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So let me just generally speaking, your your feeling about
the Raiders. Is it not different this year than it
has been the past couple? Are they going to finish
ahead of the Broncos?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Probably not. Then they're going to finish last Yeah, what
but what sort of feel good about.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
But my point is they're not going to be a factor,
but they've at least started in the right card.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Are they going to finish ahead of the Chargers? Probably not.
Then they're probably going to be last. Yes, all right, yeah,
there's so last play Listen. Now, I'm not trying to
sell the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I don't want to get into I don't want to
get into the business of being a supporter, of being
a great loser, Like you're a better loser than this
loser team over here. I don't. I don't want to
get into that business.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Gay, But wouldn't you say six and eleven feels different
than four and thirteen?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
No, I don't know, you're still but you I mean,
and there's an energy there. Pete Carroll's got some energy.
You've got Pete Carroll like he's Doc Holiday falling off
a horse. I mean, it's kind of like Doc Holliday. Man,
I ain't gonna go his bay. He ain't. He ain't
a lunger, I don't think so great shape, not a lunger.
He still throws the ball, but he's old. He's got
(31:20):
that energy. Gino there. Tom Brady's influence in the building.
I remember when Joe Gibbs came back and started coaching,
and it was like the reunion of Cocoon out there
on the on the football field, man on everything, Like
you look at what you had Don bro he was using. Yeah, man,
you had Don Broy was using a walker out there
(31:41):
on the field. You had one. He had oxygen. He
had to have an oxygen tank with him. I mean
there's something about being an old coach bringing back the
old gang. Like listen, Pete Carroll isn't like that. But
I mean Gibbs did that and literally Kelly's come on, man, chick.
Kelly's a brilliant football mind. He made some good moves.
(32:02):
I just don't until you see differently from a team
like the Raiders, There's no way you could definitively say
you feel good about a team like that, especially in
the division and how competitive that division is. I want
to make a statement here, and I want this. You
can f eight this behind the scenes there if you
(32:23):
want to save this. I'm going to make a statement
here right now. The Las Vegas Raiders will be the
most feel good last place team in the NFL the
upcoming season of all the last place teams in the
NFL the upcoming season. We're gonna feel best about the Raiders.
That's happening, you think so, I think so, that's how
that's going down. Once you put that in your pipes
(32:45):
and smoke it, you think so. Yeah, all right, let's
determine and we got to go pretty quickly here, but
let's determine. What are those last place teams. I'm not
ready to go that far into it.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I'm just saying no, I'm just saying right now, the
Raiders you're gonna feel good about at the end of
the year. Hey, you know what, though, heading in the
right direction, there's other teams you look at, you go
all they're just terrible. That team stinks. Cleveland Brown's terrible.
Will the Jacksonville Jaguars finished last? Not ready to go there?
(33:20):
Not ready to go there? Will the Steelers finished the
last place? Well, no, because of the Browns. Will the
Carolina Panthers finishing the last place?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Ah? No? Oh yeah, I think the Saints will. The
Saints are terrible. Will the Jets? No, I think the
Dolphins will. And that will the Dallas Cowboys or Giants
(33:51):
maybe one of those teams.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I'm not as high on Washington as everybody is a
lot of Washington unless they lose Scary Terry.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
To Pittsburgh, which if that happens, I'd be crazy. But
I think you should be high on Washington. You should
be They're going to be competitive. Listen.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Like I said, we've got a whole training camp and
we've got preseason game. I'm not I'm not ready to
New England Patriots. No, I don't think the Patriots are
finishing the last I think the Dolphins are in that time.
Oh come on, yeah, tell you readers, I feel good
last place team of the NFL.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I don't buy that at all. That's like saying the
Jets are are a really feel good last place finishing team.
They're in the same category in comparison and common I don't.
I don't agree with that. I don't buy that. Jonas.
That's cat. By the way, Uh, what does that mean?
You're lying? Kidding? By the way, you're lying. We are
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Speaker 4 (35:14):
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Speaker 3 (35:43):
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Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, Ryan Music, Yeah, Okay, NFL football, Baby, let's go.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Travis Hunter trying to become the first two way superstar
in modern NFL history. Aspirations of being an all Pro
cornerback and an all Pro wide receiver for the Jacksonville
Jaguars after winning the Heisman Trophy at Colorado. Well, Travis Kelcey,
he was on the Busting with the Boys podcasts, will
(36:17):
he offered this analysis on Hunter playing both ways in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
If he plays corner, they're gonna run deep, deep balls
at him all day.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
They're gonna run the wide receivers just take off on
them all day just to try and get It's like
him tired.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yeah, I was like, why wouldn't you just attack him
that way? It's one way to do it. He's got
to be playing man, duh. Clearly if you're going to
try to if you're going to try to run him downfield,
I mean, Kelsey, just stick the plane, stick the plan offense. Bro.
(36:59):
There's called this afety right, and when you're playing zone coverage,
if they're trying to just run him off, there's like
this thing called a safety right and and zone coverage,
he covers his own and that safety covers the zone
over top of him, so that your corner doesn't have
to run downfield every single play. Anyway, it sounded good
(37:21):
in there. I'm sure when he thought about it and
it came out his mouth, it was like, you know,
what That makes a ton of sense. But uh, you're
clearly not crawling defensive. I know levarn I worked together
too long. Guess I saw the look on his face.
They knew he was gonna go duh, duh. If you
got a coach that's dumb enough to keep that that
(37:44):
young man in man coverage all game, it just keeps
sprinting him downfield. And coverage ain't about all that. Ain't
about Travis Hunter. That's about the coach. That's That's what
I would say, My god, just run him downfield ever play.
You know, we'll get him tired. Hey, are y'all running
man with with with Travis? Hey is running? Is it
(38:05):
running back? It's like, alright, go route fly fly route?
Like all right, It's like when you want your toddler
to go to bed, it's just take him. Just get
him tired.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Just run him around, run him around the yard, Just
get him tired, and then finally he'll be I'll be
good to go. That's how you handle it. Oh, there
you go. That's not exactly how it goes.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
But let's let's wait and see if Travis Kelsey's brilliant
idea comes the past. When the season starting yeah, I
don't think that's going to keep him from getting All
Pro as a as a cornerback or as a receiver.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
There you go, all right standing in the NFL, the
NFL Networks and Top one hundred players lists as voted
on by the players. They're starting to release it in increments.
We're starting to get a look at the early spots
on the list. Dolphins quarterback to a tongue of Iloa
showing up at ninety one on the list now notable
(38:55):
drop of fifty five places versus last year. So Tua
barely checking in on the list this year. How y'all
feel about that? I mean, if he could stay healthy,
I've been doing this so withching for so long.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I just figured i'd let you say it because it's
just I was gonna say it exactly the same way
you did. It's the problem with him is that he
hasn't been able to stay healthy. When he stays healthy
and he produces, they're a completely different team there.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
They're splits with him in the lineup and not in
the lineup are drastically different. And he just can't stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I remember I bought this car, was an amadine color
car with a caramel inside. It was a gorgeous car,
all right. It's one of the first cars I ever
buy was Mercedes Benz and it always had something wrong
with it. You ever have a Limon, you ever get
a limit of a car? It's in the parking lot. Okay,
(39:53):
what that there? You go over there. You ain't gonna
highly rate a Limon as nice as that car was.
Drove my Excursion all the time because I always was
dealing with some type of issue that had me roadside,
lost its rating, lost its ranking, and lost its trust
(40:14):
with me. And I drove a way lesser of a
car because I could trust on it and it was dependable.
And that's why tuas probably down fifty spots.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I mean, you know who the backup is there? Jack Wills,
Jack Wilson. They've got two Polynesian quarterbacks there in the road.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Zack Wilson.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
How does that work? Got no way? It isn't believe it.
Look that up. I'm not bad. We'll have proof of
that coming up after the break. Let's see, we've got
a major Polynesian update coming up next year. That's major.
That's a major break.
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Speaker 4 (01:01):
Monday morning, after a long holiday weekend. I got it first.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
After a long week. I don't know why we can't
just be happy for Deshaun Watson. Why do you have
to be so negative about the whole thing. The guy
got married. Congratulations with Deshaun Watson. He's got a one
point three million dollar ring he does yeah, or she
does says his his band is worth up to one
(01:26):
point three million. Oh, some people have had that saying
you can't have money. Let me ask you that. Why
why is it worded that way? Worth up to one
point three million? Because it's only worth what somebody's willing
to spend, right could it? Could?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It could a praise for that amount? What is there
incentives in it? Like, well, if you meet all these incentives,
it'll be worth one point three million?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Like what like don't go to the grab lab? Can
it be worth one point three You can't clean it
with a towel that keeps the vaalua. That's that's the incentive.
Don't don't clean it with a street tal is tal
is cleaner. That's a great point, all right.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So with that being said, speaking speaking of Ohio, okay,
Lebron James was hanging out at the Calves Practice facility
and there was a there was a picture that went
out of him there and some people started to speculate, oh,
is he going back home? Is he going back to Cleveland?
This and that and he basically were spawned on social
(02:31):
media with something along the lines of I live here,
I practice here, every off season. There's nothing different about this.
You practice at the Cavaliers. Yeah, works out there all
the time. He works out there constantly because he lives
out there, and so he said, that's not strange. No,
I don't think so he does it every year, and
(02:53):
he's that's not strange every year not. I mean whatever,
he's working out there. It's their practice that's strange.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yes to me, I don't know, all right, but there's
one hundred different places you could go work out other
than another team in the National Basketball Association, So that
doesn't come across this strain. Well, he's.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Okay, But his point was, I'm here every off season.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Are you all that bored? Go get another plate of food? Okay?
But is every off season like this for Lebron James.
That's the question Lebron has to ask himself, and that's
the question that needs to be asked and answered. Does
this off season give you something different than any other
off season? The answer has to be yes, really, yes,
it does because of the uncertainties of what's going to
(03:41):
take place, based off of the selling of the team
of the Lakers, based off of bringing in Luka Doncic,
based on on where where they are as a team,
and and to me, it just seems like the handwriting
is on the wall that that this Lakers team is
possibly positioned themselves to be able to move on from
(04:02):
Lebron James. So in that context, yes, I mean he
has to know that. I don't. I'm you can't be
upsetting up in arms if people are looking at you
doing something that you've always done. But in the moment
of where that could be a possibility of a destination
for him to land, he's there working out. That's strange.
(04:24):
I mean, but that's strange, like if he was working
out in South Beach, if he was working out, I mean,
I don't know if he's hold on. Now. If he's
in South Beach and he's working out on the beach
or on Ocean alf, you might be like, Okay, speculate
and he can give you a legitimate I just like
being in Miami, I'm always in Miami. If he's in
(04:46):
Cleveland and he's in the flats or he's just doing
what he's doing somewhere in and around Cleveland, he can
take the speculation and he can drown out the special speculation.
He can he can he can lead it. He can
he can eliminate it. You're working out at the Cleveland
Cavaliers facility, that's weird. I don't know if I was
(05:09):
playing for to Washington back when I was playing for
the Washington Ridskins and then Washington Ridskins, if I were
to be in Texas and I'm working out at the
Dallas Cowboys facilities, because I've always worked out there first
and foremost, Why would I always work out at the
Dallas Cowboys facility for there? Man, that's weird. B Well,
(05:31):
that's weird. I don't know how you don't see it
that it's weird or you're being an instigator's weird? That
is weird. He does it every officious and there's nothing
new about this. It's weird the first time he did it, Okay,
But if he does it this mean it doesn't make
it unwird that he's doing it for years. It makes
it weird that it's not weird. Look, I think that
(05:51):
he enjoys the speculation. I think he stirs that up
a lot. I think that's you know, he can try
and be dismissive of it and say, well, you know,
you guys need to get a life basically, and go
get another plate of food, and I'm here every off season.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I think he likes to stir it up. He probably
knows deep down this is going to generate some sort
of reaction somewhere or another. I look at it from
a general standpoint, this is another indication that the NBA
without Lebron, what do you got? Because when he's gone
and the end is near, what is there? Like he
(06:30):
really is the lifeblood of topics and discussion in the
National Basketball Association.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
He's great at it.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And if this is all winding down and he's out
in the next couple of years, people that cover the NBA,
people that love to talk about the league, Oh, it's
not as bad as everybody thinks it is. And you know,
they get pissed off and we point out that the
separation between the NFL and the NBA. You better start
stirring up some other storylines or stirring up some other stars.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
In the league.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And I don't know, this isn't a face of the NBA,
It's a life of the NBA. And without Lebron James,
it feels like the NBA is on life support when
it comes to interest, intrigue and talking point.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
What else. Is there talent? Let's say there's talent. Yeah,
there's talented, are talented stars, you have some older talented stars,
you have star power in the NBA? Is it interesting?
I would say the better question would be does the
(07:32):
NBA have enough relevance and enough to me cache to
be interesting outside like what Lebron James, or like Shaquille O'Neill,
or like a Kobe Bryant, or like a Michael Jordan
or a Magic Johnson? Do they have the ability to
(07:55):
Is there a player that exists that can transition into
those positions of interest outside of the talent on the court?
I don't. I think there are personalities within the NBA
that could be those. But I find myself asking the question,
(08:17):
are we in a day and age? Are we in
a time where social media and different things have taken
away It's really taken away the ability. It's desensitized fans.
It's desensitized fans, and for what it's worth, I think
it has desensitized athletes as well. How do you build
(08:38):
as big as Shaquille O'Neill or Michael Jordan if you
can get a hold of them so easily. Now granted,
when Lebron James was coming in that transitional phase, was
that stage was taking place, so he wasn't all the
way fully acclimated to being in a world where social
(08:59):
media dominant technology dominated it. Now. While you may see
the NFL because it leans so deep into the brand
and the shield that they don't seem to be losing
any momental and in fact, maybe even picking up momentum.
But in basketball, it's such a personality driven sport that
(09:19):
when you see the guys like Shaquille O'Neil, you see
them in person and it's like you've met like somebody
that came like from somewhere else. You meet these guys
and there was this sense of just wow, I just
met this person. That element is gone, and I think
(09:40):
the homy element is there, like working out at a
different facility that is in the NBA and you play
for another team, the exchanging of jerseys which happens in football.
But I just feel like it's weird how cool guys
are these days. And they're not only cool with one another,
they're cool with the fan bases. Like that connection is there,
(10:03):
and I don't think that the relevance of like the
praise factor or the the you know, posting them high
on a pedestal type deal. Don't. I don't feel like
that's prominent anymore. And I don't think that players actually
prioritize trying to be that type of a personality or
a brand. I really don't.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
We've talked about this before to where the NFL has
its own ecosystem, where the NBA is starved for we
need a superstar, we need big markets happy to drive.
And in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes plays in Kansas City
like Rogers was in Green Bay. It doesn't like the NFL.
Anybody could be a great team with a great quarterback,
(10:48):
and because it's its own ecosystem, it supersedes all the
other big market celebrity status that comes along with it. Man,
it's not like Patrick Mahomes has got this you know,
vibrant personality and this real colorful No guy just plays football.
He plays football, and he's on a team with with
you know, with the tight end who's dating Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Like it's just it's became more relevant than football. It's
so don't think that football isn't guilty of trying to
find ways to leverage celebrity as well.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah, but football's not determined on one player, like the
success and conversation around the NFL isn't just determined on
one player man Tom Brady retired sweet and next time
the next like John Elway.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I think it comes down to what you mentioned earlier
is the relevance of the franchises. Like Green Bay is
not a big market, it's not a great market, but
the relevance of the franchise drives it. Right. The people
love their their franchise, the communities rally around their franchise.
They create a very very nice size, captive audience. You
(11:52):
have that in the NFL, and it's because of the Shield,
and it's because of the brands of those franchises. You
have that in a few teams and NBA, but you
don't have that collectively. So the relevance of what you're
trying to do has to exist in certain certain markets
in order for it to be as impactful as you
need it to be. And that's why you always try
(12:13):
to keep the Lakers as strong as you can, maybe
keep the Knicks as strong as they can, try to
keep the Chicago Bulls as strong as you can. You
saw what they just did with the Dallas Mavericks. You
try to keep the Dallas Mavericks as strong as you can.
You have to try to keep those those anchor teams,
those anchor markets. You gotta try to keep them stocked
(12:33):
up with some type of relevant talent because you're not
the franchises in these different markets. You just had Okay,
see when when it all what's the buzz? Well that's
what what was the what was the what was the parade?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Like?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
After?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
You know, And I asked this question for anybody that's
driving around right now or listening on the podcast, Take
Lebron James out of the NBA, what do you want
to talk about?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Dang Like, Honestly, you have to be a real fan
of the game to be able to answer your question.
And I think that's the biggest indict. Now. I loved
the NBA Finals. I thought it was great because it
was great basketball and you didn't have any drama. There
was no like, no subplots or issues going on. It
was just two really good teams who were pretty evenly matched,
(13:22):
much more evenly matched. And I think a lot of
to Lebron James or Shaquille or Kevin growing Net or
there's Kevin Durant or Steph Kirk. How many of those
guys were in that series. Well, that's the thing. Many none,
but that's but no, But that's that's great. That's the thing.
And those are the two best teams in the playoffs.
You know, it was a great series. I I had
(13:43):
thoroughly enjoyed it. But I look at the NBA differently
to where I think a lot of people focus on
this storyline attached to it and the name brand attached
to it, and after Lebron, you don't have a lot
of that. There's not a lot of that going on.
And with Lebron's career winding down, I think people are
(14:03):
going to get a harsh Sjoser reality when he's gone, Oh,
we've got to actually like put some work in and
really start pushing some You don't realize how much he
carried on us. Wow, that's a great point. I mean,
and even earlier you talked about we talked about JPP
and the fireworks situation. If you have something that happens
in a major market, which by the way, it's interesting
(14:24):
that JPP was a giant and Odell Beckham makes the
catch as a giant, like it's certain markets where if
you do something personally, it can take your brand beyond
the scope of just being a helmet in jersey and cleats.
But it doesn't happen very often. You get used to
seeing guys with helmets on being totally covered up, and
(14:48):
it's what the team is doing. In fact, in most cases,
it's actually set up for the coaches to actually become
the stars of what's taking place. You look at the
coaches and they're they're singled out. You know, look at
how many times we looked at zerses On on the
New York side line before he got before he got
(15:11):
I can, right, you can look at Stefanski, He's got
to look to him. You you look at day Ball,
It's like he's got to look to him. You you
look at you know, any of these coaches in and
around the league, they get a ton of attention because
you can see them. You can see them. The dynamic
of how we how we bring in or or how
(15:32):
we digest and how we receive the content from from
football is much different than how we receive it from basketball.
We are looking we almost look at basketball players as entertainers,
like singers or actors, right, because you can see them
you can see them. And so with that being said,
(15:53):
if you can see these guys and listen, they're putting
them in commercials like the I think Progressive had uh
the OKAC, thunder Kids and the guys in their commercial,
and you had the Big Three in their commercial and
stuff like that. They get commercials and they are relevant
to the audiences that are consuming them. It's just that
(16:15):
you don't have that next level brand like a Lebron
James that's in the pipeline to actually carry it. From
a megastar standpoint, there's not one that exists. I can't
think of one personality. Anthony Edwards is the only personality
that you can say is comparable to the personalities that
we've gotten to know through the years where you want
(16:36):
to know that individual in particular. But you don't have
a Kevin Garnett, you don't have a Paul Pierce. You
don't have those type of very big personalities that are
making you look at the game from an entertainment standpoint
of the storylines, not just the game itself and what
the outcomes of the games are. And that's something that
(16:59):
when once Lebron James leaves, you're gonna have to figure
out what that conversation is owne dry, the well is
dry once he's gone. By the way, Steph Curry, you
got Steph Curry. That's about it. Steph Curry, Draymond Green,
and I mean, if we're talking in the animals of
being the greatest ever, you'll say maybe Draymond falls in
(17:22):
like a Dennis Rodman type of category, right, Like you
had a superstar in Dennis Rodman but was never thus star,
but yet his brand was very pronounced. That's Draymond Green.
So you have it in Draymond Green and Steph Curry.
There might be a couple more if we really really
dig deep for it. But I mean, it's just it's
not to the level of what we're talking about with
a Lebron James.
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Speaker 3 (18:33):
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whoa coming on a little over twenty minutes from now?
As we feel in college, that's how you feel. Over
twenty minutes from now, we are going to tell you
(19:39):
about somebody who has cracked the code of a superstar
in the world of sports. So cracking of the code
of a superstar in the world of sports gotta be
yours here, Come on. I mean, it's crazy to think,
like we're sitting here joking about it, and it's very
it's like very real. It's like very real. Like that
(19:59):
is astonishing.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Hey, there's ways you can make money these days, you know,
there's all sorts of ways you can make.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Iggy Azelia, we're her only fans, makes the same amount
in a year that James Harten does at thirty six
million dollars. Stop playing with me. Go ahead, Iggy, get
me get your cash. Maybe she had a better step back,
I don't know, haang. Maybe so you got something that's
(20:30):
better that's for thirty six million once you got yeah,
all right. Anyway, they're athletes.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Too, they sure are, yes, uh is Joey Chestnut an
athlete uh.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
People think people think people think that professional eaters are athletes.
They're not.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Because he was on ESPN he's an athlete. Okay, all right,
cornhole is considered a sport. Is eating food considered a sport? No,
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It's not a physical feat or an athletic feet to
compete with somebody on eating food and the amount that
you can eat. You don't think you don't find that
to be competitive. What is the breakdown of what sport is?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Do you know how many people that compete with on
the drive home? If I want to get to the
stoplight faster, if I want to beat somebody in traffic,
like that doesn't make me an athlete. I'm not racing
on days of thunder because I beat some guy to
the off ramp. I'm on the way home because the one
on one's a disaster. Like I've just said, like competition,
you can compete in everything. It doesn't make it a sport.
But people think, well it's on ESPN, it must be
(21:47):
a sport. Really, Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
An activity involving physical exertion is is eating physical exertion competitively?
If you're eating, is that physical exertion? Put physical exertion.
You could get that doing a lot of I'm just
I'm just asking, come on, lea jump on in. Yes, yes,
that physical exertion. Okay, okay, Now does it something that
(22:11):
Does it involve a skill in which an individual has
to utilize it to to compete? Yeah? They train? Is
it a skill to be able to eat competitively? Yes?
What do you think? Don't it's so cool? A skill? Cool?
That's awesome. Like there's guys that can juggle the lives?
(22:31):
Is it? Is it used? Is it? Is it used
as a form of entertainment? Absolutely? Then it's a sport
a right by definition competitive eating. Joey Chestnut is an athlete.
Is physical exertion? Is cornhole a sport? There's physical exertion,
and there is if you've ever cornholed, by the way,
(22:56):
if you've ever if you've ever played the game, it
takes skill to be able to do it. There's a
hand coordination. I'll say this right now. There's not a
person at the network who could beat me at cornall,
not one, not one. They get lit on fire. I
think we should start bringing one in and playing during
the break. Okay, Oh god, you don't want any of
(23:17):
the yeah, I mean, nobody's just I think that would
be the cockroaches and the bets. And they got that,
they got that sonar, so you know they're going to
get the bags in there, all right.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
So so yeah, again herdline, he was coming up a
little over fifteen minutes from now cracking the code of
a superstar athlete. By the way, So Max Crosby does
the Sack Summit that he hosts with Cam Jordan and
Vond Miller.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
They all get together Vegas. Yeah, it's awesome, and you've
seen this sort of with the tight ends and a
lot of these position groupings getting together and just trying
to work and get better. And so he was talking
just about the success that they're looking for in Las Vegas,
and he said, quote individual success and things like that
(24:10):
are awesome, but it's not why you play the game.
You play to win. We just saw it in the NBA. Okay,
see just a couple of years ago, was one of
the worst teams in the league, but they had a
lot of young guys, they trusted the process they developed,
and now they're world champions.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Were trying to win. I want to win so badly.
I put everything into it. I want everybody else to
think like that, and that's been my goal, just bringing
as many guys.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Along as I possibly can. That was Max Crossby talking
about his desire for the Raiders to start winning some
games there. I don't believe that the Raiders are going
to be a factor when it comes to the playoffs,
when it comes to, you know, competing for a super
Bowl in that division, I don't. But what I would say,
(24:53):
it does feel for the first time in a long time.
And this isn't a shot at Antonio Pierce. I just
think he was in a situation where they had no
real plan or direction.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
It does feel like they've at least got some plan
and got some direction. I don't think it's going to
result in them winning a bunch of games and they're
going to the postseason, but Gino Smith is an upgrade.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You've got Pete Carroll there.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
There's a whole bunch of energy in the building, Tom
Brady's involvement, spy text, there is the GM. It does
at least feel like they're on the path heading in
the right direction after a lot of years of what
are we doing? We're just reacting to the Gruden firing
and trying to make a bunch of moves that just
failed miserably. From everybody's info and input into the organization,
(25:40):
all those moves failed. It didn't work, and now at
least there on the path hopefully getting back to where
they're a respected organization.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I mean, keep in mind, they added Asked and genty
to the team that got brock Bowers. I mean, they
got some talent on this team. But it's the AFC West,
So let's reel in ourselves on getting carried away about
they have the right direction. Geno Smith is a fine
quarterback quarterback? Is he is he a bona fide franchise
(26:09):
guy that can go into the a f C West
and contend against the likes of Patrick Mahomes uh Justin Herbert,
which I mean obviously you know that that goes without
saying that it could be a he defines himself this year,
or it could be he could be just a you know,
a guy that we keep saying should be a franchise
(26:32):
guy but isn't quite a franchise guy. And and then
you got Buddy in Denver and Bo knicks Man, and
I think bow Knicks has the capabilities with Sean Payton
as his coach, which, by the way, if you bring
into the coaches, uh, the coaches into the fold, Pete
Carroll arguably is the odd man out just because of
(26:54):
how old he is. I mean, trying to re establish it,
trying to established what you created at his age in
a new space where things have been so Chotzi turvy
is very chaotic, and it's probably going to be very
difficult because then you got Andy Reid over here, who's
already got his systems in place and it works. It's
(27:15):
an auto Palotte. You got. You got Harball over here,
who has proven he is bar none like second to
nobody in terms of being a dope coach. And I
look for them to take a tremendous step forward this
year with him having a little bit of time under
his belt now, and then you have Sean Payton, like
talk about is there a better Is there a better
(27:37):
division of coaches in the in the National Football League
in one singular concentrated place. Probably not. Andy Reid has
super bowls? Uh, What's what's PA has super Bowls? Uh?
Pete Carroll's got a Super Bowl. Pete Carroll's got a
(27:58):
Super Bowl. Harball has a Super Bowl appearance. So national
championship and he's a national championship guy. I just you know,
I think that it sounds good and much like when
John Mattin told me my second year in the league
that he would bungee Cord out of the Goodyear Blimp
(28:21):
at the fifty yard line for the halftime show if
the Washington Redskins at the time, now the Commanders had
made it to the Super Bowl. I think if John
was still living and had an interview with Max Crosby,
he would most likely respond to Max Crosby the same
(28:41):
way he responded to me when he asked me, did
we have a legitimate chance with our team to be
able to make it to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Look, in Max's defense, he just said, you know, they're
trying to win games. They're trying. You know, he's trying
as much as he can. He was rewarded with the
contract extension this year. I don't think click. I said
that they are a factor from a playoff standpoint. But
don't you feel better about him? No, you don't feel better.
Should you feel better about it? Because they upgraded a quarterback,
(29:11):
they've got a coach who's actually got support unlike you,
guy Antonio peace. That's what you thought that Antonio Pears
had support. I mean it sounded as though they were
supporting ap to built this team and built the culture,
and then they went away from him after a year.
They've not done anything that's really different from what they've
done in the past. They've made splash hires in the past.
(29:35):
You don't think Geno Smith's enough created a quarterback? Yes,
because I didn't have a starting quarterback last year, but
he I too far off from a backup quarterback that's
now a starting quarterback. I mean, let's not get carried
away here. Gino Smith is a fine football player. He's
not an elite. Do you look at him as one
of the elite quarterbacks in the league right now? No?
(29:57):
Then what are we talking about? Like? What? What? What?
That is the wrong team? And though if Geno Smith
went to a different team and a different division, sure,
the NFC WES is wide opened, right.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So let me just generally speaking, your your feeling about
the Raiders. Is it not different this year than it
has been the past couple? Are they going to finish
ahead of the Broncos?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Probably not. Then they're going to finish last Yeah, what
but what sort of feel good about.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
But my point is they're not going to be a factor,
but they've at least started in the right card.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Are they going to finish ahead of the Chargers? Probably not.
Then they're probably going to be last. Yes, all right, yeah,
there's so last play Listen. Now, I'm not trying to
sell the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I don't want to get into I don't want to
get into the business of being a supporter, of being
a great loser, Like you're a better loser than this
loser team over here. I don't. I don't want to
get into that business.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Gay, But wouldn't you say six and eleven feels different
than four and thirteen?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
No, I don't know, you're still but you I mean,
and there's an energy there. Pete Carroll's got some energy.
You've got Pete Carroll like he's Doc Holiday falling off
a horse. I mean, it's kind of like Doc Holliday. Man,
I ain't gonna go his bay. He ain't. He ain't
a lunger, I don't think so great shape, not a lunger.
He still throws the ball, but he's old. He's got
(31:20):
that energy. Gino there. Tom Brady's influence in the building.
I remember when Joe Gibbs came back and started coaching,
and it was like the reunion of Cocoon out there
on the on the football field, man on everything, Like
you look at what you had Don bro he was using. Yeah, man,
you had Don Broy was using a walker out there
(31:41):
on the field. You had one. He had oxygen. He
had to have an oxygen tank with him. I mean
there's something about being an old coach bringing back the
old gang. Like listen, Pete Carroll isn't like that. But
I mean Gibbs did that and literally Kelly's come on, man, chick.
Kelly's a brilliant football mind. He made some good moves.
(32:02):
I just don't until you see differently from a team
like the Raiders, There's no way you could definitively say
you feel good about a team like that, especially in
the division and how competitive that division is. I want
to make a statement here, and I want this. You
can f eight this behind the scenes there if you
(32:23):
want to save this. I'm going to make a statement
here right now. The Las Vegas Raiders will be the
most feel good last place team in the NFL the
upcoming season of all the last place teams in the
NFL the upcoming season. We're gonna feel best about the Raiders.
That's happening, you think so, I think so, that's how
that's going down. Once you put that in your pipes
(32:45):
and smoke it, you think so. Yeah, all right, let's
determine and we got to go pretty quickly here, but
let's determine. What are those last place teams. I'm not
ready to go that far into it.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I'm just saying no, I'm just saying right now, the
Raiders you're gonna feel good about at the end of
the year. Hey, you know what, though, heading in the
right direction, there's other teams you look at, you go
all they're just terrible. That team stinks. Cleveland Brown's terrible.
Will the Jacksonville Jaguars finished last? Not ready to go there?
(33:20):
Not ready to go there? Will the Steelers finished the
last place? Well, no, because of the Browns. Will the
Carolina Panthers finishing the last place?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Ah? No? Oh yeah, I think the Saints will. The
Saints are terrible. Will the Jets? No, I think the
Dolphins will. And that will the Dallas Cowboys or Giants
(33:51):
maybe one of those teams.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I'm not as high on Washington as everybody is a
lot of Washington unless they lose Scary Terry.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
To Pittsburgh, which if that happens, I'd be crazy. But
I think you should be high on Washington. You should
be They're going to be competitive. Listen.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Like I said, we've got a whole training camp and
we've got preseason game. I'm not I'm not ready to
New England Patriots. No, I don't think the Patriots are
finishing the last I think the Dolphins are in that time.
Oh come on, yeah, tell you readers, I feel good
last place team of the NFL.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I don't buy that at all. That's like saying the
Jets are are a really feel good last place finishing team.
They're in the same category in comparison and common I don't.
I don't agree with that. I don't buy that. Jonas.
That's cat. By the way, Uh, what does that mean?
You're lying? Kidding? By the way, you're lying. We are
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Speaker 2 (35:07):
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Speaker 4 (35:14):
Oh, We've got the very latest on a quarterback competition
in the NFL of yours here again, coming up to
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Speaker 3 (35:43):
No, no, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, Ryan Music, Yeah, Okay, NFL football, Baby, let's go.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Travis Hunter trying to become the first two way superstar
in modern NFL history. Aspirations of being an all Pro
cornerback and an all Pro wide receiver for the Jacksonville
Jaguars after winning the Heisman Trophy at Colorado. Well, Travis Kelcey,
he was on the Busting with the Boys podcasts, will
(36:17):
he offered this analysis on Hunter playing both ways in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
If he plays corner, they're gonna run deep, deep balls
at him all day.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
They're gonna run the wide receivers just take off on
them all day just to try and get It's like
him tired.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yeah, I was like, why wouldn't you just attack him
that way? It's one way to do it. He's got
to be playing man, duh. Clearly if you're going to
try to if you're going to try to run him downfield,
I mean, Kelsey, just stick the plane, stick the plan offense. Bro.
(36:59):
There's called this afety right, and when you're playing zone coverage,
if they're trying to just run him off, there's like
this thing called a safety right and and zone coverage,
he covers his own and that safety covers the zone
over top of him, so that your corner doesn't have
to run downfield every single play. Anyway, it sounded good
(37:21):
in there. I'm sure when he thought about it and
it came out his mouth, it was like, you know,
what That makes a ton of sense. But uh, you're
clearly not crawling defensive. I know levarn I worked together
too long. Guess I saw the look on his face.
They knew he was gonna go duh, duh. If you
got a coach that's dumb enough to keep that that
(37:44):
young man in man coverage all game, it just keeps
sprinting him downfield. And coverage ain't about all that. Ain't
about Travis Hunter. That's about the coach. That's That's what
I would say, My god, just run him downfield ever play.
You know, we'll get him tired. Hey, are y'all running
man with with with Travis? Hey is running? Is it
(38:05):
running back? It's like, alright, go route fly fly route?
Like all right, It's like when you want your toddler
to go to bed, it's just take him. Just get
him tired.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Just run him around, run him around the yard, Just
get him tired, and then finally he'll be I'll be
good to go. That's how you handle it. Oh, there
you go. That's not exactly how it goes.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
But let's let's wait and see if Travis Kelsey's brilliant
idea comes the past. When the season starting yeah, I
don't think that's going to keep him from getting All
Pro as a as a cornerback or as a receiver.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
There you go, all right standing in the NFL, the
NFL Networks and Top one hundred players lists as voted
on by the players. They're starting to release it in increments.
We're starting to get a look at the early spots
on the list. Dolphins quarterback to a tongue of Iloa
showing up at ninety one on the list now notable
(38:55):
drop of fifty five places versus last year. So Tua
barely checking in on the list this year. How y'all
feel about that? I mean, if he could stay healthy,
I've been doing this so withching for so long.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I just figured i'd let you say it because it's
just I was gonna say it exactly the same way
you did. It's the problem with him is that he
hasn't been able to stay healthy. When he stays healthy
and he produces, they're a completely different team there.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
They're splits with him in the lineup and not in
the lineup are drastically different. And he just can't stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I remember I bought this car, was an amadine color
car with a caramel inside. It was a gorgeous car,
all right. It's one of the first cars I ever
buy was Mercedes Benz and it always had something wrong
with it. You ever have a Limon, you ever get
a limit of a car? It's in the parking lot. Okay,
(39:53):
what that there? You go over there. You ain't gonna
highly rate a Limon as nice as that car was.
Drove my Excursion all the time because I always was
dealing with some type of issue that had me roadside,
lost its rating, lost its ranking, and lost its trust
(40:14):
with me. And I drove a way lesser of a
car because I could trust on it and it was dependable.
And that's why tuas probably down fifty spots.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I mean, you know who the backup is there? Jack Wills,
Jack Wilson. They've got two Polynesian quarterbacks there in the road.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Zack Wilson.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
How does that work? Got no way? It isn't believe it.
Look that up. I'm not bad. We'll have proof of
that coming up after the break. Let's see, we've got
a major Polynesian update coming up next year. That's major.
That's a major break.
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