FantasyPros - Are You DRAFTING or PASSING on These Running Backs in 2025? (Ep. 1606) - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I
am Ryan Warmley, joined today by Jake Seey from The
Athletic and by Pat Fitzmorris. We are doing some draft
or past. We did an episode similar to this earlier
in the summer, kind of talking about general positions. This
is going to be running back specific. We're gonna throw
out some running backs here and decide if we are drafting,
we're passing on these guys at their current adp ec

(00:23):
R kind of where they are going in the early rankings.
As a reminder for everybody, you can find all of
our twenty twenty five consensus rankings and tiers at fantasypros
dot com slash rankings. Again, that's Fantasypros dot Com slash rankings. Jake,
Before we dive in, what do you have going on
at the Athletic.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, I got final part of the series coming out
of the breakouts for twenty twenty five tight ends, the
one that everybody's been waiting for, Woo tight ends. But
I then it'll spin on different spin on the quarterbacks.
Running backs quate all four positions. I did the case
four and case against so it's not just like here
are my breakouts because I love them, like there's just
how things go sideways too, So I thought it was

(01:01):
a little bit deeper of a dive this year.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Fits If I made you do a list of your
favorite breakout tight ends this year, who's the first name
you're thinking of.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Favorite breakout tight ends? Would Tucker Craft count or did
we get the Tucker Craft breakout already?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
No? You could? I mean because who was inconsistent last year?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
He was?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Actually I had him on the list last year. I
was thinking about putting him back again because you look
at tight ends and you're like, man, I gotta come
up with five. I could do that.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
There aren't many, And you know, I'm starting to warm
to the idea of a Tyler Warren breakout in your one.
I know we'll see about that. I know everyone hates.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I'm not big on rookies, but there is one that
I think that you might not be thinking of. That's
a big one I'll give. I gave him one more shot, warm,
give one more shot to think of somebody like who
might be a breakout?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Don't tell me it's Kate On No okay, Jacksonville, Oh okay,
Brenton Strange sure.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
There you go, probably gonna be number one on my list.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah. That that's a really good call. Actually, like plenty
of opportunity there. Yeah, I like that call a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
All Right, that's enough tight end talk. Let's get into
the running backs what people clicked on this episode for.
We're gonna start kind of at the top of the
rankings as usual and work our way from the earlier
on guys to more of the mid round guys. So again,
you guys are just going to tell me you are
drafting or passing at this ranking as of right now
here in early July. We'll starting with Devon ah Chan
and Fits. I want to start with you because I'm

(02:26):
assuming I know the direction you're going with this, given
your long history with this player. But Devon ah Chan
is RB six fourteenth overall, are you drafting or passing?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I am drafting him. I wasn't quite as enthusiastic about
a Chan a few weeks ago as you might have
imagined werem but I did start rethinking his outlook a
little bit. And then the trade that sent John new
Smith the Pittsburgh happened, and that sort of put me
over the top with a Chan. I guess What worried
me about a Chan was the possibility that the Dolphins

(02:57):
passing game might rediscover the Prince Bull of verticality that
they totally abandoned last year, that Tyreek Hill and Jalen
Waddle would go back to being as involved as they
were in twenty twenty three when they combined for two
hundred and seventy five targets and twenty eight hundred receiving yards.
Last year two hundred and six targets seventeen hundred receiving

(03:20):
yards for those two. So but with John U gone,
it might not matter if Tyrek and Waddall are more
involved because a Chan is going to get the vast
majority of the quick hitting throws from Tua and the
Dolphins like they're getting Darren Waller. But Waller is more
of a vertical seam splitter tight end than John U,
whose average depth of target last year was like four

(03:42):
point nine yards. So I wasn't sure a Chan had
much of a chance to match his seventy eight receptions
from last year. Now I think he does. And one
other thing to consider, Tua does not steal rushing touchdowns
from running backs. Tua has not had a touchdown run
since twenty twenty one. The Dolphins are not going to
put two at risk with QB sneaks or other designed runs. Now,

(04:04):
maybe a Chan isn't the goal line back for Miami.
Maybe that's gonna be Olli Gordon's role, because Gordon is
a big dude. But I think it's gonna be a
Chan in the game when the Dolphins are at the
seven yard line, and probably a Chan in the game
when the Dolphins are at the four of the five
yard line. So I don't know. Eight Chan's had fourteen
touchdown runs in twenty eight NFL games. He had eight

(04:25):
in eleven games as a rookie. I think he could
conceivably get it to like ten or twelve this year.
And I just I think a Chan can be basically
the spinning image of early career Alvin Kamara in terms
of his statistical output. And Kamara averaged one hundred and
two point seven scrimmage yards per game just under a

(04:46):
touchdown per game over his first four seasons. I think
a Chan could give us those types of numbers.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Do you think, like, so you're you're drafting him in
this range fourteenth overall? Do you think RB six is
the right number because there's a lot of names in
that group like gents RB four, Henry, RB five, McCaffrey
RB seven, that various people like for various reasons. He's
RB six the right spot for cham just amongst the position.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
I think it is. I have moved him up to
RB five, and I'm fine with RB six, Like I'm
fine with people who want to put Derrick Henry, Christian
McCaffrey ahead of him. Yeah, but for me, he's RB five.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Jake, what do you think I'm RB six.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I actually moved him up one spot recently with that
change that Fitz was talking about. I am okay taking
to him, or I have just in front of Jacob's,
just in front of Taylor gent and Irving's and down
the rest. There's obviously five running backs in front of him.
But nothing Fitz said I disagree with. This is why
we're drafting him. They upside the excitement for HM, especially

(05:43):
having John O. Smith out because of John Neuw and
Wald finally maybe playing the full season not banged up
at some point in his legs throughout the entire year.
But if all three were gonna be healthy, then we
would have had some concerns The only concern left remaining,
and this is just something to understand when you do
draft Chan, is that this could go sideways if t
is hurt again, because he did not have but one

(06:06):
single al those six single digit performances, only one of
them came when two was at quarterback. The other five
were without him, but both when Tua got hurt and
you know, early in the season, and then when Tua
was out for week seventeen so and he named score
ten points any of those games. So that's the concern
here is that a Chan without Tua this might be messy.
And I know they have like you could argue a
backup quarterback improvement this year, but I still would be

(06:29):
hesitant to ont just to know that, like, hey, if
you do draft a Chan with your first running back,
maybe you played a little bit safer with your second,
just because he could have RB two value and for
their entire season if there's no two, because at this
point you have to admit that two is an injury
concern every single year. Similar like a Jonathan Taylor. I
know we're talking running back, but just to put that
comparison out there, so I'm okay with it because I

(06:50):
think that a chan has RB one potential if to
a play the entire season, like he could be the
I don't mean like RB one like that obviously at six,
I mean the RB one potential. But you're taking him
at six because of that inherent risk.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
I feel like for me personally, like amongst the position,
I would I would rather have Henry because I feel
like he has a similar ceiling but a higher floor.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
And I'd rather have McCaffrey because I think he has
a similar floor but a higher ceiling. Yeah. HIV versus
gent I find to be an interesting one in this tier,
Like I could see myself going either way on that.
But that does feel like the right range. So while
I don't feel like he's you know, some kind of
screaming value where he's going right now, I do think
it's the right spot and I'm willing to draft him
their point PPR.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
You're still taking Henry over hn I would with.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
An early pick like that, I just would rather have
the floor. And even if full point PPR, like, if
he doesn't get hurt, I think Henry's gonna have a p.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Derek Henry, he garently hasn't had a massive drop off,
and like where he ends.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
I just think Henry's gonna score so many touchdowns if
he's healthy. Like in this office, I don't think I
don't think anything is gonna change from last year to
this year, assuming he stays healthy. So I see that
really high floor, and I'd rather have that than hn
even in full PPR. But I can totally understand the
argument against it. Let's go to the next running back here,
Kyen Williams. He is RB eleven and he's twenty fourth
overall in the rankings in terms of our tiers. To

(08:08):
give a sense of it, A Chan was right in
the middle of tier two. Kyen right at the top
of tier three, amongst guys like Chase Brown, Breeze saw
James Cook and kath Walker other guys in that tier.
But like I said, RB eleven, and I'll start with
you this time, Jake, are you drafting or passing a chuckle?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Because I have him at RB eleven and I actually
have Tier two of running backs. I go further than that.
I go down to thirteen. So Kyen sally in the
same tier as McCaffrey and Henry and all the rest.
Because let's be honest, we've seen Kyen Williams finish as
a top five running back. The risk is everything that
you say about Kyraen Williams is valid. And I mean
you guys, I mean just everybody out there who the

(08:45):
naysayers should be about. You know, volume, reliant, efficient lack
of it just has to do with the McVeigh system.
Blah blah blah. What if McVeigh starts using somebody else.
Although I've been on this podcast, you guys both know this.
I think we did it together a few weeks ago,
where it's like every single year Sean McVay is drafting
a running back on day two or day three, and
every single year he's talking somebody else up. You can

(09:05):
copy paste Blake Korum for Jarquez Hunter, and you can
copy and paste those running backs for the previous ones,
talking to the next man up, the next man up,
the next man up. I don't think mcveigh's all of
a sudden going to start going to a committee. Is
there a chance that the contract situation doesn't work itself out,
because that's the positive is that it sounds like they
want to get a contract done. But if not, then

(09:26):
does that lead to potentially two bad games in a
row and then McVeigh does pull the rugout, because that's
the one thing that I will say. It's like, I
don't believe he's going to go to a committee. But
the one risk with McVeigh is that after two or
three bad performances, he might turn to the next person.
And it's not that I'm talent threat of Quorum or
Hunter necessarily, It's just that I don't think you have

(09:48):
to be a top five running back in mcveigh's system
to put up top five numbers. And that's the risk
is that he goes away from Kiren for a game
and whoever he turns to, Korum or Hunter do great,
because this McVeigh system, they put up a top ten
performance and then it's immediately changed from there on out.
But that's why he's a back end RB one and
not top five, because that's why I put him in

(10:09):
this tier. His numbers. If you said of McCaffrey, Henry
Channing down the list and everybody like Kyen's right in
there at the top of this tier. At the end
of the season, if he doesn't have the job lost,
it wouldn't be a shock to anybody. We're just scared
that he's going to lose the job.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
I think fits that. Kyen is an interesting example of
the type of Flaiff talked about before in the show,
where I think the ranking is probably correct, but I
still don't anticipate drafting a lot of him, and I
think I would just rather wait and get Chase Brown
as going lower than him, Kenneth Walker, you know, you know,
a little further down lower than him. I think I

(10:43):
just rather wait than take him, even if I think
RB eleven is about the right spot for him. Are
you drafting or passing Kyroen there?

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah? The thing is where I'm like, if you wait,
I mean Kyron is going around that round two three turn,
so you're waiting until the round four on five turn,
and maybe those guys aren't really available, so I'm actually
drafting him here. Kyron has finished RB two and RB
eighth in a half point PPR Fantasy points per game

(11:10):
in the last two years. He was third in the
NFL in rushing attempts last year, only behind Saquon Barkley
and Derrick Henry, and over the last two years, Kyron
has scored thirty one touchdowns in twenty eight regular season games.
I know kyrone wasn't very efficient last year, and it's
a little scary to invest in him when the Rams
keep drafting running backs. I mean, first Blake Korum last

(11:32):
year than Jarquest Hunter and this year's draft. But I
do think the risk is sort of baked in at
this price. You know, Kyron at the two three turn,
Like say you start with Jamar Chase at one oh one,
you can maybe get Kyron and JSN at that two
three turn, Like, yeah, I'm in for that.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I'm in at that two three turn. Jake, are you
looking at Kien or are you looking at like receiver
or one of these early tight ends or something else.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Most likely if I'm at the two three turn, probably
running back wide receiver, because you're saying, like the one
two spot, I probably lean Chase, maybe even Jefferson. You
know how my feelings are with the running back situation.
I'd rather be at the back end of the first
round so I can get a McCaffrey or Henry or
Han or something like that. But because if there's a

(12:18):
good chance, if you're talking about at the turn, whether
the first or second pick, I probably went Chase or
Chase Jefferson or whatever it might be. So I do
want to my inherent draft strategy is to get a
running back in my first two slash three rounds, depending
on where I'm picking. I'm not gonna be beholden to it,
as in the fact that nine running, ten, eleven, twelve
running backs go off the board, and as fits as saying,

(12:40):
you know we're already blown through Chase Brown, and now
you're talking about I have to take Cuba Hubbard at
that spot, which I don't hate Cuba Hubbard, just not
at the two three turn. I'd rather take him at
the end of the third round, so I could see
myself falling into a wide receiver wide receiver wide receiver
start depending on how the board falls. But if Kiren
is there, I would smash draft that.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's a good point by you guys, and fits on
the idea of like, even if I might like Walker
at RB fifteen better than Kyroen at RB eleven, you
know chances are I won't be on the clock with
both of those as options, right, So it's a fair point.
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who I think, Well, there will just be a lot
of conversation about this player, I think in the next

(13:41):
two months on our show, on other shows. He's just
an interesting player who was a first rounder a year ago,
who is now you know, down to RB thirteen thirty
third overall towards the back end of the third round,
and fits that's Brise Hall. Are you drafting or passing
on Hall? Where he's going.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Even though the price coming down, I'm passing. I don't
love fading talented players, but I'm just not that interested
in spending a third round pick on Brisall. Aaron Glenn
has said repeatedly that the Jets are going to use
all of their running backs this year. He just keeps
saying that over and over, so it seems like it's
going to be a committee with Brisall, Braylon Allen, and

(14:21):
Isaiah Davis. And I also wonder how much pass catching
upside Bresall is going to have with Justin Fields, a
mobile quarterback whose running backs did not catch a ton
of passes when Fields was in Chicago. I mean, that's
normally one of the things that makes Hall appealing. He's
had it was fifty seven catches last year, seventy six

(14:41):
the year before that. I don't know if he's getting
to fifty catches this year with Justin Fields and Hall
had a Hall had a really good like He had
trouble against good defenses last year. He faced four run
defenses that were top ten in DVOA. Against the run,
he averaged thirty four point eight rushing yards per game
three yards per carry in those four games. So it's

(15:03):
just a collection of things about Breshall that are kind
of troubling me. I'm just gonna draft around him, I think.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
This year, Jake, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I thought?

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Ryan Heath on the show You and I taped with
him earlier this week made a compelling case for why,
despite red flags, he is kind of coming around. And
they do you have drafting Breesehall? Do you lean more
on that side or more on Fits's side of passing
on him?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Here at cost with fits. That's actually why I chuckled
on the answer, because I'm figuring at what point we're
going to actually disagree so far in the show. But
I actually have him a few spots back at running back,
not by much, but because of that, there's other wide receivers,
including his teammate, that I would take in front of him.
I actually have more as like a back fourth round
pick than in this range. So it's not that I'm

(15:46):
completely out on Brishall, just the names he's going around,
especially at wide receiver. But to bring up what you
said with Ryan too, you know everybody talks about Tanner
Engstern and being able to improve the passing game and
everything like that. Well, coming from the Lions, you could
kind of create your own narrative to back up what
you're saying. I'm not saying that's what FIST is doing.
I'm just saying for everybody out there for Ingstron coming
from the Lions, well, what do they do use two

(16:08):
running backs but at the same time the passing game
coordinator passes to the running backs. Well, you could say
who's the better pass catcher between Hall and Braylen Allen,
It's Hall, so does he become Gibbs and Alan becomes
Montgomery if he follows the Lions plan. Put that kind
of in quotes like is that what we're gonna see?
But at the same time, Justin Field is going to
take his own Justin Field's fist just brought it up.

(16:30):
And there's that conversation too, is like, is it the
chicken or the egg? Is it the fact that Justin
Fields doesn't throw a lot to his running backs because
of the collection of talent he had at running back
over the years, or is it just that's not who
he is. And I think it's a little bit of both, honestly.
But all that being said is I actually come down
the middle on both of those statements, like, I think

(16:50):
Justin Fields can throw more to his running backs, but
I don't think it's going to be Drew Brees' esque
level where he's targeting him all the time and that's
just they're running routes all the time. At the same time,
I think you could also see Engstrand improve the game,
but also have both running backs involved. And this is
just not even accounting for all. So pifits is right,
Isaiah Davis I thought was one of the better values

(17:10):
in the draft class, and I hated that they got
Allan and Isaiah Davis in this backfield, which all leads
to that's the risk of Brees Hall. So you tell
me one round later, I'll buy in, but at this
price just because I don't think it's associated enough risk
with him, I'm probably out.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I feel like and fits. I'm curious if you think
this is a sound strategy, Like I will be comfortable
if I miss out on briss Hall because I pass
on him in the third round, but if I could
get him even in like the early fourth, I feel
like I do want to have some brishall and not
totally miss out if the talent just like he kind
of bounces back and looks like the guy we expected
a year ago. I don't want to totally miss out

(17:47):
on that. So I feel like I'll be hoping to
get him maybe more like the early fourth. But then
if I miss out because I pass on him the third,
I'll be okay with that. I forget where you said
you exactly have him ranked fits, but does that feel
like a sounder strategy?

Speaker 3 (18:00):
It does feel like a sound strategy. Worm Let's see
I've got so I've got Breece not that far off
from Well, I'm pretty much in line with where his
consensus ADP is just as far as the overall sort
of that later third round. But man, I just I
like the options around him more like I'd even consider

(18:23):
I think I'd rather have a premium quarterback over Breece.
And you know you're gonna get one of Lamar Jackson,
Josh Allen, Jade Daniels at least being there. I think
I think I'd rather have like Mike Evans there, maybe
even Tyreek Hill. Yeah, I'm just I'm not into Breece
this year.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Let's go to a running back that I feel like
I've been brought up on the show a lot that
people are against. I'm curious you guys are going to
agree again, Jake, I'll start with you. James Cook RB
fourteen and that's one spot behind Brees Saw. Positionally, he's
a few spots further down in overall, he's thirty ninth
in the overall rankings on ECR. James Cook, are you
drafting or passing.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
At this spot? I am drafting is almost right in
line with my rankings, mostly because I think we've associated
enough risk to pull the James Cook down to not
even being an RB one, which it just was. I
think everybody on earth is like, you cannot have that
touchdown percentage again. This goes back to if you remember
Matt Ryan and the Falcons of like that high touchdown

(19:26):
rate that they had that year I think it was
twenty eighteen, and it was like everybody can't happen again,
and it didn't, but at the same time, like you
can pull back from it and still have a really
good season. Like I think we've all drafters, rankers, whatever
you want to put out there, have put enough out
that James Cook is not going is what he just
finished as not even close, you know. I mean you're

(19:46):
talking about almost a full two rounds later than what
he should. If you just replicated last year, you'd be like, well,
he's a second rounder, but nobody's taking them there. Which
is why I'm kind of okay with this, because what
if James Cook still rushes for ten and then I'd
get him the same rushing touchdown even eight, He's still
a mid to top end RB two. So I think

(20:07):
we've talked up enough, and I say we as on
this show and everybody else out there, have talked up
enough that, like we understand math, we understand football, we
understand regression, it's likely that he doesn't come close to
last year. But at the same time, even if you
chopped off six rushing touchdowns and I said this when
we were talking to Ryan Heath, you're still talking about
a top end RB two top six touchdowns is a

(20:28):
big drop off. So at this cost, I'm okay. Now,
if we're talking a month from now and it starts
to pull back up because everybody's like saying the same
thing and contracts and everything's fine with James Cook, and
all of a sudden he's going back inside the top ten,
then I'll probably be out. But I think right now
we've associated enough like this, Kyraent, We've associated enough risk
to say it's okay to take him here.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
In my opinion, it's what do you think?

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah? I mean, so, I guess this is our first
point of disagreement, Jake and I. But it's a pretty
mild point of disagreement because he's just kind of a
gentle fade for me. And you know, Jake just made
the point about touchdown regression. I think we all know
that's coming. So that's that's fine, but you know, like

(21:10):
one of the reasons I think he's getting nowhere near
eighteen touchdowns and it is probably going to be closer
to the six he had in his second year, is
that Josh Allen calls his own number near the goal
line so much. And it kind of amazes me still
that Cook was able to score eighteen touchdowns last year
when you consider how much Josh Allen likes to run
and scored quite a few rushing touchdowns himself last year.

(21:33):
There's also another way in which Josh Allen could limit
James Cook, Like Alan just does not throw to his
running backs all that much, and that's so often the
case with the mobile QBS. They just don't check down
when they can run on their own. And even though
Cook is a really good pass catcher who might have
fifty or sixty reception upside in different circumstances, his single

(21:54):
season high in receptions is thirty eight. So we know
Cook isn't going to be a workhorse rusher because he
weighs under two hundred pounds and his single season high
rushing attempts is two hundred and thirty seven, And at
least for the time being, we also have to worry
about this contract in pass Cook has where he wants
a new deal and the Bills don't seem inclined to

(22:14):
give him one. But even if that gets squared away,
I think I'm going to be out on Cook this year.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
You completely chop his touchdowns in half. He's still RB
sixteen to eighteen and RB sixteen overall, RB eighteen of
points per game. So that's why I'm saying, like, maybe
he needs to go another spot or two later, but
that's like even dropping in half, he's still top eighteen.
Whatever you want to count him.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Ass, what is the point Fits that you would take Cook,
because I know you've been fading him throughout draft season.
At what point would you say, no, this is the
time to pull the trigger.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
I mean, I'm not that far off. So he's RB
fourteen thirty nine overall. I've got him RB fifteen forty
two overall. It's just I like a few other guys
in that range a little better, and I'm probably picking, Like,
let me see who I've just in front of him.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
There's a group of five I feel like and for
while you're looking Fits kind of like Cook, Kamara, Hubbard, Hall,
and Connor like, I feel like those five are all
like kind of that group of Wow, if everything goes right,
they could be top ten, but they have the risks
to fall to like into the twenties.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I mean I think the guys
I'm taking just ahead of him in that range are
like Kamara, you know, Terry McLaurin, Tyreek, Hubbard, or Cook.
I would take Cook. I've got Cook rank just ahead
of Cuba.

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Speaker 1 (24:43):
All right, guys, let's go to the mid round running
backs here. Fitz James Connors first up, just kind of
alluded to by Jake bare He's RB nineteen fiftieth overall
drafting or passing.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I'm drafting Connor there. He was RB eleven and overall
half point PPR fantasy scoring last year year RB fourteen
in fantasy points per game. I mean maybe there's a
greater injury risk with Connor than with other backs, but
he did play sixteen games last year. Cardinal's offensive line
is actually pretty good. They ranked ninth in the run

(25:15):
Blocking Metric adjusted lineyards. Connor contributes as a pass catcher.
He had forty seven receptions last year, and I don't
think Trey Benson has any chance to steal Connor's job
on the merits. I don't think we even't really know
yet whether Benson is any good to be honest, and
Connor is a pretty favorable schedule, which is what I like,

(25:37):
especially early in the season. Cardinal's opened with the Saints,
Panthers and forty nine Ers, who were among the six
worst teams as far as fantasy points allowed to running
backs last season, and Connor's matchups and weeks four through
seven are bad either Seahawks, Titans, Colts, Packers, so he
could get off to a really fast start. I'm drafting Connor.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Jake James Connor are nineteen fiftieth overall. Like I said,
any worry about Trey Benson or are you drafting him here?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm not worried about Trey Benson. I think Trey Benson
is a nice pick to take as a late round flyer.
With the excitement that people had for Benson last year
was all baked into the fact of James Connor could
miss time like he does every single year. He actually
James Connor had one of the healthiest seasons in a
long time and came the closest I think he hasn't
a long time also to play in a full season.
But that's why he's going this late. You're telling me

(26:26):
James Connor is my RB two and I can take
him at the four or five turn. As Fitz just said,
he was an RB one in points per game. When
James Connor is on the field, James Connor's producing the
risk of him missing time. We all know it's real.
But let me ask everybody out there watching this and
listening to somebody that I've brought up before on this
very show. Everybody's like, oh my god, I'm scared of

(26:47):
James Connor. Let's push him all the way down here.
And I'm not saying to push this guy as far,
but at what point is Jonathan Taylor not in the
same conversation of three years straight, we're talking about injuries
and we still want to take Jonathan Taylor a top
twenty pick, possibly pushing the first round. Like again, I'm
not saying push Jonathan Taylor that far, but Jonathan Taylor

(27:07):
should be down a little bit further and James Connor
should be up a little bit further because we're doing
the same thing. They're both talents that can finish top
ten points per game, both with injury risks, except one's
coming in my opinion, as supreme value. We are back
to it in full agreement here.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
What do you think about that comparison fits to Jonathan Taylor?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I agree? I mean, I love JT. You know, I'm
a Wisconsin guy, so I will cape up for him.
I do think he's one of the best peer runners
in the game. But yes, like these ankle injuries have
become problematic for JT, and I'm sort of baking that
into where I rank him.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
The next mid round running back here, David Montgomery. He's
OURB twenty one, fifty fifth overall, so very similar range
to James Connor. Jacob's start with you on this one.
Are you drafting or passing David Montgomery?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, I'll make mine a little bit quick this time,
because we just talked about him on the previous show
that you mentioned with Ryan Heath and this range. I'm
out on David Montgomery. I'm in the mid twenties and
I know everybody in the comments they're coming for it, like, ah,
you know, it's good you. Dave Montgomery was actually top
fifteen in points per game, which is fine, and I like,
I get it, I understand, but like we're just assuming

(28:14):
that everything's going to be just as good as it's
always been for the Lions. Rag Now one of the
best in the league is gone. They have issues to
concern with with the coaching staff and the offensive line.
I'm not saying they can't be the Lions again, but
you have to accept the fact that there is some
risk and you're talking about some risk for the second piece,

(28:34):
Like that's the thing is, he's the RB two on
the team. He's not the RB one. So I'm just
never going to take a time share running back, which
as great as he is, I'm not discounting Dave Montgomery
and how great he's been at all, but I'm just
never going to take a two as a near top
fifteen price. Similar to like I think, well, Devontae Adams
is a great value a wide receiver because he can

(28:56):
be or wide receiver one with Puka Nakua. I'm not
going to aft DeVante Adams as a top twelve vide
receiver just because he can do it. So I'm just
out at this cost. If he was going where I
have him in the mid twenties, I would take him.
But I have clear I have starters in front of
him and Isaiah Pachecko and stuff like that. And if
somebody wants to argue Pacheck go behind Montgomery, I get

(29:16):
it because of the risk there. But at my point
being is I'm going to take a started running back
over the second piece of a time share.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
What do you think about this one, Fitz? How good
does this offense need to be for the RB two
to be a successful fantasy pick where Montgomery is going.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
You nailed at worm because so much of Montgomery's value
has been touchdown related the last two years. He scored
twenty five touchdowns in twenty eight regular season games, and
the Lions led the NFL in scoring last year, and
I believe they were fifth two years ago, so they
would need to be top five in scoring again. I
think for Montgomery to hit double digits in touchdowns again

(29:53):
most likely? And do we expect this Detroit offense to
continue its high flying waves with no more Ben Johnson,
no more Frank rag Now as Jake just mentioned. And look,
if you guys were in charge of the Detroit offense
and head Jamier Gibbs at your disposal, would you be
giving some other running back almost as many touches as Gibbs?

(30:13):
Like I just I wonder if Campbell and new offensive
coordinator John Morton might allocate the backfield touches a little
differently than Johnson did because Gibbs is such a special player.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I mean, we're talking about record ish setting type of
offense last year. And if everybody wants to come for
James Cook, then why aren't we coming from Dave Montgomery
just pointing out even you copy paste last year's Lions
even then, like that's Ben Johnson still with the team,
Ragner has it retired? Even then, we should be acknowledging
there's some touchdown inherent regression risk that's just got to

(30:47):
be part of it.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
I also wonder if, like the Cats kind of out
of the bag on Gibbs, not that we really ever
thought he needed a one bee for him to be
a successful one. A. But we saw when Montgomery hurt
last year that he has absolutely no problems handling a
large workload and being an absolute superstar. And I wonder if,

(31:09):
like the Lions just look at that and say, like,
kind of what you just said fits, Like, Hey, we're
running this thing. We don't have to defer to the
genius of Van Johnson. Why wouldn't we just give more
all the touches to Jamior Gibbs, Like it seems so
obvious right for us at least, So I wonder if
they kind of have more faith in his ability to
handle just a full time workload and not need David

(31:31):
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like worried about that before, but just now that we've
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All right, next player here fits Tyrone Tracy RB thirty two,

(32:16):
ninetieth overall. So moving further down in ADP here and
in the rankings, is he somebody that you're drafting or passing?
Ninetieth overall RB thirty two.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Oh man, you're starting with me. I mean, I know
Jake has forsworn his allegiances to the Giant, but still
I know he's got his finger on the pall, so
I'm anxious to see what he said. I think I'm
drafting Tyrone Tracy here just because ambiguous backfields can be
a rich source of fantasy value potentially, like the ambiguity

(32:47):
holds down prices, and if you've got the right guy
in an ambiguous backfield, you can turn a big profit.
And if you get the wrong guy, you either keep
him on the bencher or waive him, and it's not
that painful because you didn't pay much. So I really
have no idea how Brian Dable is going to divide
the work between Tracy and Cam Scatibo, and the Giants

(33:10):
do still have Devin Singletary, I guess. But Tracy's versatility
should keep him involved and give him multiple paths to
fantasy value. He's a good pass catcher, he was college
wide receiver to start off his career, and he was
pretty good as a runner last year too, other than
the fumbling issue. So yeah, I think I'm on Tracy
at RB what thirty two? RB thirty two?

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, yeah, thirty two. Jake, what do you think? What
do you make of the backfield with Skataboo there? Now?
Does RB thirty two sound right for Tracy ninetieth overall?
Are you drafting or passing?

Speaker 2 (33:42):
So I'm going to save the second part of your
question because I'm going to start it off with saying
that people by now if they've been watching these shows, No,
I am on Scataboo more than I am on Tracy
because I think what he brings. And I know some
people will draw the comparison to their size, and that's
very true. They are similar signs, but that doesn't mean
there's similar styles. Like you can be the same size

(34:04):
and just differently basketball players, like size doesn't always mean everything.
And I know they talk about the explosiveness for Tracy
and that I'm not taking that away from him. But Skataboo,
despite their being similar size as Scott was gotten by
what five or ten pounds, he is between the tackles,
better runner. He is somebody that when you watch him play,
you can see the difference between how they run, you
can also see the difference of how their legs are used,

(34:26):
and they turn that being Scataboos. So I do think
the Giants need more of that. I think that you
saw Tracy as good as he was last year, as
surprising as he was to some people, and this is
coming from somebody that was in on Tracy last year,
is that you still went back to single that not you,
as in Brian Dables, still went back to Singletary at times,
just to bring that other dimension. It's not like Singletary

(34:47):
is amazing between the tackles. It was just kind of
another complimentary piece to each other. And then also the
fact that Tracy fumbled like that, that's something that Dable
is not going to put up with. So I say
all that to say is that I do have Skataboo
in front of Tracy, and Tracy was going higher just
a month ago. But I find it interesting something to

(35:08):
lean into what fits said here is that if we're
going to start having Tracy's ADP drop, two things needed
to happen. Is one, it shouldn't be happening. If everybody's
going to stick on Tracy and say that he has
all this explosiveness after the touch blah blah blah, then
he shouldn't be dropping or too. If we're going to
drop him, why isn't Scatabuu going up like somebody is
going to finish inside the top thirty probably the top

(35:30):
twenty five? Can't be both ways, Like you can't drop
Tracy and just leave Scataboo way down there by like
RB thirty nine or forty. That makes no sense. So
I'm presenting all that to say is as much as
somebody that's on Scataboo over Tracy at this price, I'll
draft Tracy too. I think it's very similar that you
can make the argument to the Steeler situation, where heck,

(35:50):
it's going to frustrate sometimes, but maybe both of them
just have fringe rby two value and you're starting either
one of them as your flex running back a lot of.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Weeks, Jake, Just to be clear, like you would not
ever want to have both of these guys on your ross.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Want to?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, I mean, because it doesn't seem like it's gonna
be an either, or it seems like it's gonna be
both to some degree.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
But at least Tracy at thirty two. For Tracy and
Scottaby is gonna sit down at thirty nine or forty.
I'm not aiming to do it. I don't want to
do it, but I would take both at the cost
and then hey, guess what, Maybe one hits and then
the other doesn't, but at least at that cost. You're
talking about two round separation of them that in that range,
as you brought up as one of your main points,

(36:30):
and I'm not saying you're arguing me, I'm echoing your
point is they are bench pieces. If one of them
ends up taking a clear lead, even if it's Tracy,
you're gonna benefit because they're bench pieces.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, let's go to one more mid round running back
Travis etn He's RB thirty four, Jacob starth you on
this one ninety fifth overall drafter.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Pass I'm drafting. I've been on Travis Etn saying that
he was a top five running back just two years ago,
and I know a lot of that happened in the
first half of that season and hasn't been very pretty since.
But I also look at this backfield and there's gonna
be a running back that we talk about at some
point that I'll say for this that I don't think
is a factor in this backfield. But also, as much

(37:13):
as Tutin's involved here, it's the Tyrone Tracy thing all
over again. Is there's already fumbling issues that we knew
about that are already presenting themselves in camp. And there's
already been talk of Liam Cohen coming to this team
and whatever he does with this backfield. And I know
a lot of people want Tuton to be the Bucky Irving,
and I'm not saying that's a non zero chance of happening.
But there's also a non zero chance that Etn just

(37:36):
goes back to being good and is the lead, and
that Tutans know more of a complimentary third down passing
game piece, who, by the way, would also have to
do most of his without the pass blocking piece of
being in on third downs, because that's a major concern
for Tutin to begin with, where this could be an
entire committee. But again as a bench piece, if EATN

(37:57):
gets two hundred and fifty touches, I mean, if we're
all excited about Colen and what he can do for
this offense, and two hundred and fifty touches, even if
they're not the prettiest, two hundred and fifty touches is
going to be a boost to his value. At this cost,
it starts to we get more bad news about TOOT
and we get more of ETN looks like he does
two years ago, and ETN starts creeping inside the top
twenty five RUnni max. That's a different story, but at

(38:19):
this price, again, it's a bench piece. I'm going to
gamble on the bench piece that as of right now
is the leader in this backfield.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
What do you think fits h.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
You know what I said about leaning into ambiguous backfields, Well,
I'm really not doing that here with ETN. And it's
weird because, I mean, man like Jake said it, there
was that sort of cutoff point for ETN in twenty
twenty three where he was fabulous for the first half
of that season, he was averaging like twenty PPR points
a game, I think through the first seven or eight weeks,

(38:52):
and then just kind of a downturn, like not a
go over the cliff downturn, but just clear downturn. He
went to like thirteen PPR points.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
He was sliding down a hill.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, definitely, And like last year, he was just objectively bad,
like three point seven yards per carry. He only fourd
seventeen missed tackles all season. He averaged minus zero point
two eight rushing yards over expected per carry, so he's
getting less than was expected of him given the circumstances.
On average, averaged just one yard per route run in

(39:23):
the passing game, which is, you know, pretty bad for
a running back. He is a free agent after this year,
and the Jaguars drafted not one, but two running backs.
They got Tooting in the fourth and Leaquin Allen in
the seventh. The Jaguars still have Tank Bigsby is coming
off a pretty strong year where Tank's efficiency metrics just

(39:45):
blew etns away. And this looks like a backfield by committee,
and Tank Bigsby is really the only guy whose role
looks somewhat predictable because he's the best inside runner in
this backfield, and I think it's a safe bet that
Bigsby gets a pretty healthy share the early down snaps,
But like who gets the rest of those early down
snaps and who plays on passing downs? Because I think

(40:06):
the two rookies pulls a much bigger threat to Etn's
role than they do to Bigsby's role.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Want to let everybody know that they can join us
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every player debate. All right, guys, let's do a quick

(40:34):
lightning round. This will be would you rather? I'll throw
two names your way. You can give me a quick
thought and why you're going one way or the other.
A couple of these names have come up already just
in talking about some of the other players that we've
dove a little more deep into, got a handful of
would you rather hear though? Fits Josh Jacobs or Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Packers ran the ball really effectively. Last year, Jacobs looked
terrific in that offense, and I worry about the ankle
issues with Jonathan Taylor. Also, just not much pass catching
up side there. He had eighteen catches in fourteen games
last year.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Jake Jacobs or Taylor.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, Jacob's one spot in Taylor and just basically what
fits said, but especially the passing game. And everybody's going
to be talking about how miserable the quarterbacks are going
to be for the Colts. Well, then let's just take
the one thing we know in Jordan Love.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
How about Aaron Jones or DeAndre Swift?

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Jake, can I pass at cost? I'm going to take
DeAndre Swift. I think that Jordan Mason is a serious
threat to Aaron Jones. I don't mean just like if
Aaron Jones gets hurt. I think we're seeing Aaron Jones
kind of downturn at this point of his career, where
I think Swift is a risk, but at least and
I don't expect Swift to get sixty five percent of

(41:46):
the touches. I think like Swift is just going to
be the lead of a time share, whether it's Johnson.
I'm a non guy with him, but I think I'll
take Swift given off the fact of the cost between
the two.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Fits, I'll take Jones. I think he's still good, and
you know, he gets a boost playing in Kevin O'Connell's
offense running behind a refurbished offensive line. The Vikings really
made some major repairs in the middle of that line.
I'm still not entirely sure how good DeAndre Swift is,
and it seems like we should know that by now,
and they're just a lot of unknowns with the Chicago

(42:19):
offense under Ben Johnson. So I'll take Jones. But yeah, like,
I don't know, do you do you guys feel like
definitively that Swift is good. I don't think we know.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
No, I think he's above replacement, but I do think
that Ben Johnson. Look, I know everybody talks about what
happened with him with the Lions, but the one thing
that was telling is at least he's gonna be the
pass catcher. That that's the good news here. That's why
I would take Swift.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Joe Mixon or Kenneth Walker fits a Walker.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
I mean, if he can stay healthy, he is going
to thrive in Clint Kubiak system. It gets a system
that's heavy on outside zone and that is right up
Walker's alley. The Mixon is just a total stay away
for me this year, Like Houston's offense, one might be
the worst in the league. And now mixing as competition
for touches with the signing of Nick Chubb and the
drafting of Jiquavius Woody Marks, Jake.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I like that you included his entire name, and this
is a Walker by a mile for me. This is
super like you said, by the way, staying healthy, Well,
somebody's not healthy right now. And between the two of them,
it's Joe.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Mixon, Traveon Henderson or Caleb Johnson, A couple of rookies, Jake,
who would you rather?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Oh, I got Trevion Henderson by a big gap. Actually,
there's a section we're going to talk about the players
that were targeting heavy in draft, and I would have
said Travian Henderson, but I've set them way too much
at this point. I'm going to have a ton of
Travion Henderson this year. You know, I feel I do
think he's explosive. I think he can do so much.
And I know people are worried about a time share
I'm not that worried about Rimondre Stevenson, Antonio Gibson and

(43:48):
the rest, and even if I brought it up before
James White. Oh, by the way, the last player without
a two hundred and ten touch season to finish as
a top fifteen running back and what the Patriots offense
with a very similar system to what they were running
back there because they're all back again, McDaniels. So I
don't need Trevion Henderson to have two hundred and seventy
touches to have top fifteen value fits.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
I mean, for me, it's much closer. I also have
Henderson ranked higher, but only by one spot because I
could see Caleb thriving like they're just going to cast
him into this make now Yeah exactly, and it's a.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Does it make it feel better that I have him
in the same tier. I just have Henderson as the
first in a tier in killing Johnson the last of
is the.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Tier totally fair? Jake, Yeah, I mean, like I do
feel this could go either way. I could see Caleb
having a ten touchdown season, but I have to give
Trevion an edge because they think he's going to be
much more involved as a pass catcher than Caleb Johnson
will be.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
How about Quinn Shawn Judkins another rookie obviously, or Isaiah Pacheco.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Fits oh Man another tight one for me. I've got
Pacheco ranked RB twenty eight, Quinn Shawn RB twenty nine.
I'm giving Pacheco a mull again for last year. Came
back from a fractured leg in less than three months,
so surprising that he was kind of a shell of
himself when he came back. I just I have so
many questions about the Cleveland offense, and I actually think
Dylan Sampson like it annoys me to no end that

(45:11):
the Browns took like two running backs I loved from
this class and uh, you know they they might be
competing for toushes.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Jake, Yeah, I'm the same on this one, mostly because
Judkins not only has Samson, but we're just already casting
his side drume forward, which release. So if you're gonna
talk about pure talent, but it's not like he can't
be a factor. But let's also just go back to
one thing. If you're gonna take the leaders of both teams,
assumably Pichecko and Juckkins, who you're gonna take you're gonna
take the better offense. So if we're gonna risk on

(45:41):
Pachecko bouncing back. Everybody knows that I like Brashard Smith
as a passing game weapon. But if Pacheco looks anything
like he did pre injury and for fits, weren't you
the one that even said that, Like, if Pacheco would
have never played last year, wouldn't we be ranking him
higher because it would be the unknown of the optimism,
like we we would have rather not see him look
bad last year then to see him. So I would

(46:01):
take Pacheco just because if he's anything like he was
pre injury, you're gonna take him on that team.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Last one here in the lightning round, Jakes, starting with
you Remandre Stevenson or Javante Williams Javonta Williams.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Like I just brought up is mostly because of the
Trevon Henderson thing. I think that they've been looking for
a reason to get away from Stevenson, and Stevenson looked
pretty awful for good portions of last season, not the
entire year, but good portions of it, so much so
that Antonio Gibson was getting to start over him. We
saw when that happened, So I'm going to take the
chance at Javonte Williams. We brought it up with the

(46:34):
show that we did with Ryan Heath if if if
he's anything like he was pre injury. But the good
news is he's not even going as a top thirty
running back, So he doesn't look good in the first
two or three weeks, you drop him and move on.
The worst thing that's gonna happen with from Andre Stevenson
is he stays part of the time share and then
you're just holding him on your bench and like, well,
maybe he can pull back. No, you can just draft

(46:55):
Davonte and either you get the answer or you move on,
which is probably the more appealing part of not having
to deal with Martros Stevenson.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Oh yeah, I am all over Javonte Williams at his
current cost. Fits would you rather have Javante or Remandre?

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Javante? I mean, Remandre is now clearly the second best
guy in the New England backfield, behind Treveon and Javante.
He says he's just starting to feel like his old
self after that knee injury in twenty twenty two where
he tours ACL and lcl if he's back to one
hundred percent. It's possible he takes the lead our b
job in Dallas and just runs with it.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
All right, We're going to wrap up the show with
one running back from each of you that you are
drafting everywhere, and one running back from each of you
that you are fading everywhere. Fits Who is your must
have that you are drafting everywhere?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
All right?

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I think I'm gonna get an amen from Jake on
this because it's Jordan Mason. Just heard Jake say that
he'd rather have Mason at costs than Aaron Jones. I'm
actually interested in both of the Vikings running backs, but
at their respective costs. I do think I like Mason
a little bit more. His ADP last I checked was
RB thirty five. Mason is just a really good fit
for the Vikings team that runs a lot of outside zone,

(48:01):
which is totally in Mason's wheelhouse. And let's not forget
how good Mason was filling in for the injured Christian
McCaffrey in San Francisco early last season before getting hurt himself.
Mason averaged one hundred and seven rushing yards for the
forty nine ers over their first five games, and I
think Mason could have some standalone value this year, and

(48:23):
he would absolutely become a winning lottery ticket if anything
happened to Jones.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, Jake, who's you must have running back? You're drafting everywhere.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Somebody also got hurt last year, but also a lot
of people were excited for and then just didn't hit
for multiple reasons. But Jalen right, like, we're all just
you know, Ray Mostert's gone. The backup job is his,
and it's not just going to be a backup job.
If everything's right at the Dolphins, right is going to
be used weekly where you know, maybe you fill him
in at a flex spot depending on your buys or

(48:53):
injuries or whatever. And if anything were to happen to
a Chan at this point, which she's been nicked up
a few times already through his career, I think Jalen writes,
excitement from last year should not have been forgotten for
this year. Where he's going right now is honestly criminal,
Like it's just the upside for him is clearly top twenty.
If not more something were to happen to.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
A chance fits, who are you fading everywhere?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (49:15):
We touched on him a little bit earlier.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
He took the layup.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
It is a layup. It's Joe Mixing. I mean, it's
just the Texans have a bad offensive line, Like they
have not gotten that line much help. In the offseason.
They brought in Nick Chubb, they drafted Woody Marx. Mixon
is about to turn twenty nine, so the age cliff
is starting to loom. I'm just staying away.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Jake, who are you fading everywhere?

Speaker 2 (49:42):
It's funny, you know earlier Fits brought this player up
and he topped positively, but we disagree on the final
player a little bit. I'm just out on Tank Bigsby,
and mostly because I just don't know that if everything
even hits, you know, like people bring up the holes
changing of the coaching situation, the pass catching option. Well,
even as bad as Rashad White was, he was still

(50:03):
used in the passing game for that being for the Bucks,
where I just don't see a lot of value in
the non pass catching running back. Bigsby's role might be secure.
You might be completely right about that, Fits, because la
Quinn Allen, I think, actually has some Rashad White similarities
to his game to bring him up in the fact,
but I think that you're seeing that it's the ETN
that can do it all. But basically we haven't seen

(50:25):
that ETN in a while.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
But you have the.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Explosiveness in the passing game of Twoton, you have a
Rashad White type of player and l Quinn Allen and
watch him be the answer to this entire quagmire here.
But the one role that I just have no appeal
in is the one that isn't going to be used
in the passing game, that is just the runner because
it is the Cohen offense. So I'm just kind of
out on Bigsby because I just don't see a ceiling
with him, even though he's right that being fits, he

(50:50):
did look better than ETN did last year.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
But I agree with you, Jake, like I'm not really
necessarily like I think Bigsby is going to have a
set role in the offense. I just don't think it
it's really a fantasy relevant role because he is a
complete zero as a pass catcher And we don't know
that he's going to be like a ten touchdown guy either,
Like we can't assume that he's going to get a
lot of touchdown opportunities.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
All Right, we'll go ahead and wrap things up. There
a lot of different running back names we hit on
in this episode. Hope everybody appreciated it. For Jake and Fitz,
I'm Ryan Warmley. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you
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