Colin’s best banter with Nick Wright on the Colin Cowherd Podcast!
They start by reacting to the Lakers being sold by the Buss family and why it will be GOOD for the team (3:00, and what the $10 billion dollar valuation means for NFL franchises (12:00).
They explain why Baker Mayfield is underrated and why Jordan Love is overrated (15:00), debate whether the Chiefs have displaced the Cowboys as “America’s Team” (26:00), and break down why the Dolphins will struggle in the postseason (30:00)
Finally, they offer theories on why Draymond Green doesn’t seemingly bother refs the way Luka Doncic does (37:30) and why the George Pickens experiment in Dallas won’t work (42:00)
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. The Lakers just sold for a ten billion
dollar evaluation, which I've believed for a long time. Nick,
all these sports franchises are undervalued. Whenever they say, you know,
(00:24):
the Cowboys are worth seven billion dollars, My take is
if somebody in Saudi Arabia had a good month with oil,
they buy him for thirteen billion. Because you don't know
if Google is going to be around in twenty years
or Microsoft. You know the Dallas Cowboys are going to
be around in twenty years. In fact, I remember reading
a story years and years ago they went back to
(00:45):
like nineteen eighty and they took the thirty leading companies
in the Dow Jones, and twenty five years later only
one was still like a really it was like Chevron
or something. And so my point is the Mark Walters
group is the Dodger owner. It's a really good group.
And it does make me think, Okay, the mom and
(01:06):
pop Lakers are over, because that's been the big knock
in LA is that I mean family? The Dan Gilbert
could buy the Bus family four times. They've been one
of the poorest NBA ownership groups.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Correct, and one of the poorest from a net worth perspective,
and I would argue that they haven't. They have been
one of the more poorly run organizations in the league.
And I know that's weird because they have the second
most championships and they just got Luca and Lebron went there.
But I think that they have squandered a lot of opportunities.
(01:42):
I think that since doctor Bus passed, they have There
are very few things you can say the Lakers do
top notch in the league. And while they have been,
you know, willing to spend, I think they've you know,
last decade, they've spent like the seventh most money they
should be the seventh most for Los Angeles Lakers. Is
(02:03):
not maximizing the market and the brand. I understand, it's
not baseball, so there is a cap. And in the
new NBA with the aprons, just spending recklessly can really
hamstring you. But this is a massive net positive for
the Los Angeles Lakers for their fans. In my opinion,
you should not have They're in a weird spot where
(02:26):
similar to the Cowboys, where ownership's primary source of income
is the team, and that's one of the reasons I
think the Cowboys don't necessarily spend the way they should.
And that's how I have felt about the Lakers. So listen,
I don't know much about Mark Walters. I know that
he bought twenty six percent of the team from I
(02:47):
think and Shoots or whomever with the guarantee. Part of
that was if the buses sell, I get the first opportunity.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And now he's in. Now I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Historically sports franchises have been undervalued. I wonder if we
are now getting to wear ten billions, ten billion dollars
kind of like, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So think about this. Yeah, the Celtics sold for six billion.
The GDP of Boston, the gross domestic product is six
hundred million annually. It's a trillion. In Los Angeles. The
Los Angeles economy would be the twentieth biggest economy in
the world, meaning it would be bigger than about one
hundred and eighty five countries.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So and they own the the Lakers own their arena,
so that's an importance. So like you just if the
arena's worth two billion, given where it is in the
real estate and whatever. So now it's not six versus ten,
it's six versus eight. And you take the fact that
LA's a bigger market. And you know, as much as
this will pain our buddy Bill Simmons, the Lakers are
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the biggest brand in basketball.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Like this, The Celtics were in the finals two years ago.
It didn't get a good rating. Oh, it didn't get
a number, right, I mean when the Lakers are in
the final, regardless of who the star is, it generally
gets a much bigger rating.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yes, it's also true the Lakers have never been in
the finals without one of the biggest stars in the league.
It's not a lot of like Lakers time they made
the finals with that scrappy, underachieving team. No, it's Lebron
or Kobe or Shacker, Magic or Kareem or Will.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
But still your point stands.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, no, they are the the This is a fun
one because you did your mount what was it, Mount
crush More, Mount just just more because they're just more
than everyone else. If we were to do God, this
is this is corny and make funnable content it also,
(04:48):
I'm sure will crush On TikTok or something, if we
were to do the Mount Rushmore franchises in American sports.
Four four to me, there are three no brainers. And
then people would argue about the four fourth, but the
three no brainers are the New York Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys,
(05:11):
and the Los Angeles Lakers. Those to me, do you
think I'm missing anything there? I think those are the
three brands that are truly every.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Corner of the world.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
They're you know, somebody's walking around wearing a T shirt
even if they've never heard.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Of the team.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, I think I will say this. I think the
LA Dodgers because of the Walters Group, perfect spring, summer, fall, weather,
O tawny. Now is you know Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday Dodger
(05:53):
games are now an event. There are fans from the
Pacific Rim. Every home game road attendance for the Dodgers
is number one in the league. They played the Yankees,
I think it was last year it felt like twenty
five percent of the crowd was Dodger fans. They travel
incredibly well. I think the Dodgers over the last eight
(06:13):
since they have been purchased from the Mark Walters Group,
I think they have become and I'm and I mean this,
I think they're a step ahead of the Yankees. They
don't have all the pennants, they don't have all the titles.
But this ownership group is much more It's got deeper pockets.
(06:34):
It's more aggressive. I mean the way they are pushing
contracts down the road. They're not a.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Bigger brand than the New York Yankees. I think they're
getting close. I think Otawi changes it.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
If the idea is like Otani brings in and a
whole similar to I.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Understand one's Japanese and one.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I think he brings in the Pacific Rim.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, like what Yao Ming did for the Houston Rockets.
We're all of a sudden, it's like you have this
whole new market.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But if so, the.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Because I really maybe eventually the Dodgers get there. If
it's Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers, is the three the teams across
sports competing for that fourth spot. Dodgers definitely are in
the contention. The Celtics are the Warriors? No, probably not,
because that's good. The Warriors are like the Chiefs in
(07:26):
that it's the super nova of the moment in Mahomes
or Steph Curry. But they don't have a history to
where they're this big brand. So do you think you
think the Dodgers now have surpassed the Cubs as the
second biggest brand in baseball.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Okay, yes, because again, remember Chicago wanted the Olympics. Why
couldn't they get them because they were not considered a
global city. They were considered uh maybe are They're like,
Chicago has won Best North American City seven years in
a row from Conde Architecture. It's an unbelievable city, but
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it's not viewed as an international city.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
D C.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
San Francisco, LA, New York. Boston similarly is not necessarily
seen It's seen as kind of parential, of course, provincial parochial.
So I think they've surfaced. And the Cubs, the Ricketts family,
which by the way, they live about five minutes from
where I'm sitting right now, they are it seats thirty
six thousand, their revenues just don't They're not close. They're
(08:30):
just not close anymore so. And I think the Cubs
are historic and they matter domestically, but I don't think
they pull.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That might be real nice, and it also might be
a lot of the benefit of the Cubs when or
benefits their own word. But brand recognition, for lack of
better term of the Cubs had to do with if
you're a millennial when you were growing up with like
basic cable for some reason, you got the Cubs games
(09:01):
because of WGN, so you could like watch your team
and the Cubs and so they they had that and
now people can watch whatever teams they want.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I just saw the who.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Do you sorry for this slight detour, but after the Cowboys,
what do you think the biggest brand in football is?
Like I I hesitate that in the moment, it's obviously
the Chiefs, but you wonder, like if Mahomes retired, like
then the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Interesting you if you bought the Chiefs today, we would
have to consider Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes part of
the buyde yes. So this idea, well, the brand, what
is the brand right now? Jerry Jones is eighty They're dysfunctional,
their roster's bad. There's value to it. But Kansas City's
got the best quarterback in the league for the next
(09:49):
ten years. So I mean that when Lebron James went
from the Miami Heat back to Dan Gilbert in Cleveland,
I talked to somebody in that equity space. He said
that was a four four, one hundred million dollar day
for Dan Gilbert. Now the Cavs without Lebron, even with
Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell, Lebron changed that. It was
(10:11):
a paradigm shift economically for Cleveland. Literally, Ken Griffy saved
baseball in Seattle. Lebron James changed the economy. Taylor Swift's tour,
an example, made two point one billion dollars, sold ten
million tickets. That is double the next biggest tour ever.
(10:33):
So it's only big because of one reason, the artist.
So if you count, I mean, let's be honest, if
you bought a soccer franchise ten years ago and Ronaldo
had an eight year contract, it would make it worth
half a billion dollars more So, I think the Chiefs
with Mahomes, that adds to me, that adds half a
somewhere between five hundred billion and a billion dollars. They
(10:55):
go from six billion to seven because of Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well, so that's the other piece of this.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
The other piece of this is if the if the
most valuable team in the NBA is now worth ten
billion dollars, what is the most valuable team in the
NFL worth is it fifteen billion? Like? Honestly, like, what
is if this is the new Because you can't tell
like as much as as big of a brand as
(11:23):
Lakers are.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And I understand the NBA's new TV deal.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I get all that, there is nothing that is the
machine that is the NFL. So if the Lake, if
we now have Lakers ten billion, Celtic six billion, you
know as the metrics, then the if forget the Cowboys.
I'm trying to think of a good, you know, a good.
(11:47):
If the San Francisco forty nine ers were for sale,
are they a ten billion dollar franchise.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'll give you. I'll give you one that is undervalued.
One Cronky owns Sofi Stadium.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, yeah, the owning the stadium is a big thing.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So if you bought the Rams, you get the state.
I get Sofi Stadium, which can house a hundred concerts
a year. Yeah, and the Chargers and the Rams. So
you have to consider that when you buy the Rams.
So I would say, in the number two market in
the country, I get Sean McVeigh, I get a well
run operation, I get Sofi. I'm sorry, but that's over
(12:28):
ten billion dollars. I mean it just has to be.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
If they now that the Lakers are worth ten the
biggest NFL brands have to be worth more.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Somebody once in the last year asked Baker Mayfield about
me and blah blah blah, and he said, well, we're frenemies,
and I think Baker knows I like him and respect him,
and he's always been nice to me. He said nice
things publicly. You had to take the other day that
he's Actually he was over discussed when he was in Cleveland.
He's now under discussed. And it's funny because I think
Baker's better than Dak. He's better than Tua. He's better
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than Gino, He's better than Aaron, he's better than Russell,
he's better than Cousins. I think he and Darnold are
very similar that they can be mistake prone, but they
can plan it and they're real players.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Forty touchdowns last year. Yeah No, he's been really good
going there.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah No. Baker is a prime example. You see this
a lot in the NBA where a guy comes in
and you just needs the mature Aunt Edwards. In the NFL, generally,
maturity's not the issue. It's you either have it or
you don't. Baker was the rare lot of testosterone, a
lot of confidence, and I felt like, can somebody turn
the Governor down just a little. He was Johnny Manziel,
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but more likable and with actual talent. He could really
throw football. But I think Baker is the rare NFL
player in quarterback. You're like one of the talents. Inarguable,
he's just got to turn the Governor down. Cleveland was
not built for Baker. You go to a great GM,
a talented roster in Tampa, which is by the way,
(13:56):
below the radar. It's in the NFC South, which is
a low profile division. Baker now is absolutely underdiscussed. He
is a really good NFL quarterback. I don't think that's disputable.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, I think it's hard to make a top ten
and not include him. And but then when you add
to the fact that he makes around sixty percent of
what the other guys in that top ten make, his
value is massive. He for a guy who dealt with
injuries during in his time in Cleveland, he's incredibly durable. Yeah,
(14:32):
his teammates love him, and he now has back to
back years of really high productivity, a playoff quarterback, win
the division again forty touchdowns last year. I And so yeah,
I think that there was because he was talked about
so much when he wasn't yet that good, right, I
(14:55):
think people got I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
If numbs the right word. They were just kind of
got over him.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And now that he is, I think really good people
are just like, okay, yeah, that's Baker, Like he's a
people I think boxed him in.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
He's a good.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Story and that is true, but he's more than that
at this point. At this point, like, do I this
is you know, a third rail for some Do I
think he's better than Brock Birdie?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I do? So what would I rather have?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Like? And so you said, Dak Prescott, I think that's close.
I think that there is There are a lot of
quarterbacks that like I'll give you a great example. Now,
this guy's young and we'll see, but he makes a
lot of money. I think he's pretty clearly better than
Jordan Love. And I think that Jordan Love is discussed.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Like he is.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know, it's interesting. So I was really not anti
Jordan Love, but but I said, for two years, there
is more footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. They're hiding
him for a reason. Then he came out and he
was kind of sensational, and I really bought into him.
And then It's as if the league defensive coordinators got
(16:12):
all this footage and they found holes and at the
end of last year, you're like, oh, people have caught
on to him. This is now. It would be a
sophomore slump for anybody else, but he was like in
his fourth year. Yeah, and so I want to see him.
So now it's like an NBA playoff series, like you
get worked, then you change things and that there's stages
(16:34):
and coaching, you know, adaptations.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
To a playoffs adjustment.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah. So now I've seen Jordan shock the league. Now
I've seen people react and he struggles. Now I want
to see his next hand with Matt Lafleur. That's why
they drafted to me a a receiver in the first round,
because they're like, listen, we he may need a little
more help than we think here. But I so, I'm
not sure Baker's better. I think Jordan's got a hell
(16:59):
of a whip and he's a really good athlete. But
he's he's one of the last quarterbacks in this league.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I'm not sure. I know who's bad, I know who's good.
I know who's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Jordan Love is the last.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'm not really sure what he is in the league.
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Speaker 2 (18:47):
Have the Chiefs become America's team.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Or will that always be?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
In Cowboys? No?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
In fact, the Cowboys were tied for third in total audience,
and that's because Fox puts them on games they probably
shouldn't be. But because the biggest draws right now are
the Chiefs and the Bills and the Ravens and the
Niners are also big in the Packers. But I think
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after this year when Dallas wins five to six games
because I think they have the worst probably head coach
in the league, arguably good Court. I think he was
an average coordinator. I think he's more I think.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, I mean certainly the most unproven and the oddest
higher yeaheah.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
So my take is Dallas will be the fourth most
watch team in the league after this year. Now, Fox
may because of Fox promotion and marketing ability and production values,
we may be able to prop up the Cowboys juice it. Yeah,
I mean, Fox just does it. Fox gives you, like
if you give Fox baseball, it just is better than
(19:49):
other networks doing baseball. Fox is really good at Eric
Shanks lived in a truck. That's how your CEO. Everybody
has a specialty. Bodenheimer was sales when I was at ESPN.
ESPN could monetize anything, anything shit screw up in a truck.
So our production values are sensational. They always have been.
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I mean I said this a couple of years ago.
The five to six hour live Super Bowls from opening
moment the pregame show starts to the end, they're majestic.
They're like as good as American television gets for us
live five hours. So so I think Fox may prop
the Cowboys up, but if you put them on another network,
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they wouldn't. They wouldn't resonate as much. But they're not
They're not a fun team. Dak is a boring player,
a second lower body body injury. He's not hyper athletic,
he doesn't have a big arm. They have a couple
of interesting receivers. They're not fun to watch. Philadelphia is
fun to watch, Detroit's fun to watch, Buffalo, Kansas City. Uh,
there's some teams in this league that I I mean,
(20:54):
like when the receivers are healthy. Houston's fun to watch.
When the receivers are healthy, Cincinnati's fun to watch. But no,
I think I think Kansas City is actually America's team. Absolutely.
I don't think there's any question. And I would say yeah,
I would say Buffalo to me feels like number two.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Oh listen.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I think Buffalo is probably the team people the team
neutral fans root for the most, because I think people
they look at Buffalo not as an underdog, but like man,
they gotta get over at some point. And Josh Allen
is so likable, and the Chiefs have kind of become
like villains, you know, to a degree.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
All that.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
But yeah, I just think I think the team that
is the biggest draw on, the most interesting is the Chiefs.
And that the reason I even asked it is it
just speaks to the power of the NFL that the
most popular or most interesting team in the biggest league
in the country can be from Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You know what I mean? Like that, it isn't it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Happen about peace. Think about this. Here's the sixth biggest
brands in the NFL, arguably now Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore,
Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
The Celtics approach of being like we are going to
play the fourth quarter of a playoff game the exact
style we would play the first quarter of a February
game is just that's not staying true to who you are.
That's being ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That would be.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
As if the Chiefs at their heyday of the when
Tyreek was there and everything, when they were just high
flying and didn't.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Have a good defense, if they when.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
They were up ten in the fourth quarter of a
playoff game, they're like, bombs away, this is what we do.
That's not smart. That's not staying true to who you are.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's why when the Miami Dolphins have Jalen Waddle and
Tyreek Kill. That works in September and October. But as
the weather gets windy and coal and the all the
best AFC teams plan lousy weather. What you really need
to do, and this is a little bit of a
flaw with Mike McDaniels, is what you really need to
do is start to change your offense about Thanksgiving because
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you're going to have to go to Baltimore, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Buffalo.
And so what happens is this is what we do.
We throw it downfield. Will you have a small, modest
armed quarterback and you're still trying and then you try
to pivot to know it's too late. And so it
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was always funny watching the Dolphins and I'm like, guys,
you're falling in love with September and October football. This
stuff works. Then the NFL think about this, name the
last Dome dynasty in the NFL. Name the last warm
weather dynasty. They don't exist. Marino never want to ring
right because eventually you become a very warm weather offense.
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The Chargers with Dan Fouts were electric.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So that this is a sneaky important thing, and this
is just random luck of the moment as far as
who's good, because you're exactly right that the AFC, all
the excellent teams are outdoor, shitty weather, so like, and
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I think that oddly likely works against the Houston Texans
ability to compete for championships in that they're not going
unless they get home field advantage throughout the playoffs. They're
just not going to be conditioned playing in the AFC
South and playing in a dome. The NFC is the opposite,
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and it is such a unique potential edge Philadelphia has.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So if you're the Eagles, yep.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And for the time being now, maybe Washington will get great.
They were really good last year, and maybe the Giants
will get great, Maybe the Bears will get great, maybe
the Packers will get great. So this all can change.
But for the time being, for the Eagles, last few years,
they rams Detroit, San Francisco, Dallas, whoever wins the South, Tampa.
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So they are in a spot where if we can
get home field, whoever's coming here ain't built for this shit, right,
So like in the AFC, home field matters a little
less for the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Cincinnati because it's like
all right, no matter what, this is gonna be a
(25:41):
pain in the ass, tough, like we're all we're all
built our teams knowing that the NFC, it's just how
it turned where the Lions are in a dome and
the Rams have so that can change, but for the
time being, it makes it to wear for Philadelphia's specific
thickly home field advantage is wildly valuable, wildly valuable.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
So I want to throw something out here. It's I
want to go back to the NBA and and Draymond
Green obviously part of the volume, and you know, there's
certainly an argument he's I think he's the best defensive
player ever. I mean his ability to take Shangoon out
of games to give I mean give to give Yannis
massive problems. Now to give you the greatness of Jokich.
(26:29):
He just waves the white flag on Jokich, just like
I can't do anything either could Anthony Davis. By the way,
Anthony would hold him to twenty eight and Anthony was like,
I played really good and he did, so I mean
jokicch's I mean, Draymond gives Yannis issues. He gives everybody issues.
But one of the brilliant things about Draymond, and I
think it's purposeful and intentional. He moves the line so
(26:52):
it's almost like, if you're a parent, you don't want
to yell at your kids all the time. So the
the kid that's a little inappropriate is constantly consciously or
subconsciously testing his parents what he can get away with,
and at some time, at some point, you as a
parent will be harder on the good natured, to well
(27:15):
behave kid, of course, who infrequently makes a mistake, then
the kid that's always in trouble. When I watched Draymond play,
Mike Green, Breen pointed this out. Draymond has moved a
line that he did something the other night where people
on the air were defending him, and I'm like, nobody
would get away saying I've said this for a long time,
(27:39):
So listen, Draymond.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
And I have a very relationship complicated the right word.
But it's complicated because I am very tight with a
number of people who love Draymond Green, who swear by
Draymond Green who and Draymond does not, you know, have
(28:03):
an affinity for me, and I have been critical of
him in the past, but everyone people whose opinion I
really trust and value say off the court, one of
the best dudes ever, So it's a weird dynamic there. Simultaneously,
I have said that I thought he should have won
three straight Defensive Player of the Year awards back when
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Kawhi won two of them, and I do think he
is one of the most brilliant defensive players of all time.
And I'm on the record that I thought he, not Clay,
was the second most important person of the pre KD Warriors.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
So all that's there.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Here is the other piece of it. There is no
player in NBA history who is given more leeway than
and this is an important qualifier Draymond Green after getting
one technical. Sometimes I think the Warriors are their most
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dangerous if Draymond gets a technical early. And I know
Draymond is his most devastating defensively when he has five fouls,
because if Draymond gets to five fouls, he does not
file out at six, he fouls out at nine, he
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gets three more off damn it, like we're gonna let
it go. And Draymond with one technical can follow the
ref up and down the court doing anything, and a
ref doesn't want to throw him out, and so there
is no question that the guys the NBA refs do
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a I think one of the things they need to
do better about is guys who never complain get a
quick trigger on text the one time they do, and
guys who always whine and yell and complain. The refs
seem to turn a deaf ear to with the it. Oddly,
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it doesn't really feel like it applies to Luca, because
I think Luca actually really irritates the refs because here's
the difference between Luca and Draymond. Draymond is complaining or
yelling about calls that go against him. Luca is yelling
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about calls he does not get. And for some reason,
I think refs are way more bothered by what Luca
does than what Draymond does.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, Luca is saying you missed it. Draymond is arguing
I didn't the effort, but.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Right exactly Draymond. Draymond is saying I'm innocent.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Luca is saying you're guilty, And so the refs seem
to hate Luca, and with Draymond, they're like, ah, Draymond's
being Draymond. But there's also it's not just it's not
just on text. I'm gonna tell like, people can look
up the game log and they will see it. It's
a really so Draymond right now has two flagrant foul
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points or and you're suspended that happened him in twenty sixteen.
You get one for a flagrant one, you get two
for a flagrant two. In Warriors Rockets game seven, early on,
Draymond got fouled and then swiped his hand and hit
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I think it was Fred, it was definitely it was
Fred van Vliet, and the refs went and reviewed it
and they said foul on Fred van Vliet and then
dead technical on Draymond for hitting him in the face,
with the justification being it can't be a flagrant because
the play was over technically over by a quarter of
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a second, so it's a technical. The very next game
played in the NBA, Jokich got fouled by lou Dort
and Jokic hit him in the head, and the refs
went and reviewed it and they said foul on lou Dort,
flagrant on Joker, And I'm like, that is the exact
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thing that Draymond literally the exact thing, and it was
a different rule interpretation, and that was I know it
In my bones because the refs were aware, Oh shit,
Draymond is a If we give him this flagrant, then
on his next flagrant, which he is guaranteed to get
at some point, he'll be suspended for a game. So
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let's just give him a technical and so listen, if
you can get away with it, it's smart. He can
get away with it. And when Draymond there was just
a I should have pulled it. There was an amazing
graphic today, one of those little dot charts where it
was players since the two minute report has existed, players
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who have benefited the most, and it was like Mahomes
one of the NFL quarterback charts, like where there's like
a whole bunch of dots here on this line and
then right here's Mahomes through five years or whatever where
he breaks the chart. It was Draymond that not a
by three standard deviations. No player has had more calls
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where the two minute report says, yeah, that should have
been a foul on them and we missed.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
It than Draymon.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
He so he he has ye mind melded the refs
into I'm your great defender, I probably didn't fall him
and gets away with all of it.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
And it's and I give him credit because it's the only.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Way to the only way a guy with his shooting ability,
his height, his limited athleticism could become a first ballot
Hall of Famer is playing this way.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
And he did it. He's done it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Finally, you gotta bless Dallas Cowboy fans heart. They're so
excited for George Pickens. And I was saying this today
when Kyle Shanahan said, I can't make Trey Lance work.
I made Matt shab a pro bowler, Brock Prudy, I
got into a Super Bowl, Garoppolo, I got to a
Super Bowl. I can't make Trey Lance work. And the
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Cowboys were like, ooh, here's a fourth round pick. Okay.
When Warren Buffett says, be careful with bitcoin, I'm careful
with bitcoin. When Mike Tomlin says about a receiver, listen,
I can't make it work, Chase Claypool, ab Martevius Bryan,
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I mean, the list goes on GANA Johnson. If Mike Tomlin,
who is two things, great motivator and incredibly patient with
immature players. When Mike says, yeah, guys, I'm out doubt.
But Jerry, this is a personality trait. Jerry loves to save.
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He loves to give people jobs that need him. Chan Gaily,
Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Brian Schottenheimer. They feel like Jerry
Jerry is saving, that he's giving him job that's not available.
McCarthy couldn't get interviews parcels and Jimmy Johnson didn't need
him that war. Jimmy out Dak Prescott fourth round. He
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loves hey, Tony Romo undrafted. Cowboys never draft quarterbacks in
the first round. They don't need. So when he goes
and gets George Pickens, who the reputation is out basically Tomlin,
I'm out. Jerry's like, I'm here, I'll make it work.
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I think this is Jerry's wild catting oil days where
he would hunt for gems, and I think that is
literally his mindset with coaches and sometimes draft picks and players,
is that he feels like Pickens, he's he's the rest
of the league is out. I am in, and I
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don't think long term. I think that's why the Cowboys
are where the Cowboys are currently in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I think that George Pickens is one of the more
overrated players in the whole league. And the reason I
feel that way is because I think certain football fans
this is one of my this is one of my
favorite and kind of relatively newest to which is talent
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has become wildly overrated, and particularly particularly in the NFL.
Obviously you need a requisite level of talent. That goes
without saying, however, this idea that talent is some cure
all when this guy has been a pain in the
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ass every step.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Of his football life. It is why he fell on
the draft.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
It is why you were hearing rumors about him being
available during his second year. During his third year, he
was traded here. It is the he It's you know,
when you are potentially trying to get a contract in
the offseason and your team is in the middle of
a losing streak and you show up to the Christmas
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Day game against the Kansas City Chiefs ninety minutes before kickoff.
You show up three hours before your TV show Colin
you have two hundred and twenty of them a year,
he's got seventeen football games, and he is like, you're
just not a serious person and you're not going to
contribute to winning the way your talent says you should,
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And so there's that. There is also the fact that
trading a third round pick for a player with one
year left on his contract means you probably should give
him a contract extension. The only thing worse, in my opinion,
than trading a third round pick for one year of
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George Pickens than letting him be a free agent, is
giving that guy fifty million guarantee. So the Cowboys put
themselves in a position where it's no win. Do we
pay this guy early when he has never He's never
been the top ten in the NFL anything. He's like,
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his career numbers are pedestrian. He's never out paced his production,
has never outpaced his targets, and he is he quits
and is a million gets unnecessary, a million problems there,
So you can't pay him.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
But the other thing you shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Do is a smart franchise is keep trading these mid
round picks for rentals. And so I two years ago
Colin the Chiefs ended up winning the Super Bowl. But
two years ago, when the Chiefs had nothing but drops
everywhere and the receivers couldn't do anything, Pickens was available then,
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and Wilds and Bru couldn't believe me.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I was like, I don't want him.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I was like, the Chiefs already are on thin ice
with Kadarius Tony, like they you know, and they got
They got the Chiefs trade for Canarius Tony. They gave
up a fifth round pick. He had three years left
on his deal and that's still listen. He had the
amazing partner turn of the Super Bowl, but he's still
ultimately can't get right. Guys can't get right, and so
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I'm not a Pickens guy. I also think he's a
somewhat overrated player. And I also think, for if Mike
Tomlin had a hard time keeping him inside the lines,
Brian Schottenheimer in his first year as a head coach,
how much of Brian Schottenheimer's time is gonna be about
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Mike's podcast and whatever the hell George Pickens did?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
A lot of it is the answer to that,
The volume. The Lakers just sold for a ten billion
dollar evaluation, which I've believed for a long time. Nick,
all these sports franchises are undervalued. Whenever they say, you know,
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the Cowboys are worth seven billion dollars, My take is
if somebody in Saudi Arabia had a good month with oil,
they buy him for thirteen billion. Because you don't know
if Google is going to be around in twenty years
or Microsoft. You know the Dallas Cowboys are going to
be around in twenty years. In fact, I remember reading
a story years and years ago they went back to
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like nineteen eighty and they took the thirty leading companies
in the Dow Jones, and twenty five years later only
one was still like a really it was like Chevron
or something. And so my point is the Mark Walters
group is the Dodger owner. It's a really good group.
And it does make me think, Okay, the mom and
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pop Lakers are over, because that's been the big knock
in LA is that I mean family? The Dan Gilbert
could buy the Bus family four times. They've been one
of the poorest NBA ownership groups.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Correct, and one of the poorest from a net worth perspective,
and I would argue that they haven't. They have been
one of the more poorly run organizations in the league.
And I know that's weird because they have the second
most championships and they just got Luca and Lebron went there.
But I think that they have squandered a lot of opportunities.
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I think that since doctor Bus passed, they have There
are very few things you can say the Lakers do
top notch in the league. And while they have been,
you know, willing to spend, I think they've you know,
last decade, they've spent like the seventh most money they
should be the seventh most for Los Angeles Lakers. Is
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not maximizing the market and the brand. I understand, it's
not baseball, so there is a cap. And in the
new NBA with the aprons, just spending recklessly can really
hamstring you. But this is a massive net positive for
the Los Angeles Lakers for their fans. In my opinion,
you should not have They're in a weird spot where
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similar to the Cowboys, where ownership's primary source of income
is the team, and that's one of the reasons I
think the Cowboys don't necessarily spend the way they should.
And that's how I have felt about the Lakers. So listen,
I don't know much about Mark Walters. I know that
he bought twenty six percent of the team from I
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think and Shoots or whomever with the guarantee. Part of
that was if the buses sell, I get the first opportunity.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And now he's in. Now I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Historically sports franchises have been undervalued. I wonder if we
are now getting to wear ten billions, ten billion dollars
kind of like, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So think about this. Yeah, the Celtics sold for six billion.
The GDP of Boston, the gross domestic product is six
hundred million annually. It's a trillion. In Los Angeles. The
Los Angeles economy would be the twentieth biggest economy in
the world, meaning it would be bigger than about one
hundred and eighty five countries.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So and they own the the Lakers own their arena,
so that's an importance. So like you just if the
arena's worth two billion, given where it is in the
real estate and whatever. So now it's not six versus ten,
it's six versus eight. And you take the fact that
LA's a bigger market. And you know, as much as
this will pain our buddy Bill Simmons, the Lakers are
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the biggest brand in basketball.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Like this, The Celtics were in the finals two years ago.
It didn't get a good rating. Oh, it didn't get
a number, right, I mean when the Lakers are in
the final, regardless of who the star is, it generally
gets a much bigger rating.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yes, it's also true the Lakers have never been in
the finals without one of the biggest stars in the league.
It's not a lot of like Lakers time they made
the finals with that scrappy, underachieving team. No, it's Lebron
or Kobe or Shacker, Magic or Kareem or Will.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
But still your point stands.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, no, they are the the This is a fun
one because you did your mount what was it, Mount
crush More, Mount just just more because they're just more
than everyone else. If we were to do God, this
is this is corny and make funnable content it also,
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I'm sure will crush On TikTok or something, if we
were to do the Mount Rushmore franchises in American sports.
Four four to me, there are three no brainers. And
then people would argue about the four fourth, but the
three no brainers are the New York Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys,
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and the Los Angeles Lakers. Those to me, do you
think I'm missing anything there? I think those are the
three brands that are truly every.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Corner of the world.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
They're you know, somebody's walking around wearing a T shirt
even if they've never heard.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Of the team.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, I think I will say this. I think the
LA Dodgers because of the Walters Group, perfect spring, summer, fall, weather,
O tawny. Now is you know Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday Dodger
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games are now an event. There are fans from the
Pacific Rim. Every home game road attendance for the Dodgers
is number one in the league. They played the Yankees,
I think it was last year it felt like twenty
five percent of the crowd was Dodger fans. They travel
incredibly well. I think the Dodgers over the last eight
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since they have been purchased from the Mark Walters Group,
I think they have become and I'm and I mean this,
I think they're a step ahead of the Yankees. They
don't have all the pennants, they don't have all the titles.
But this ownership group is much more It's got deeper pockets.
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It's more aggressive. I mean the way they are pushing
contracts down the road. They're not a.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Bigger brand than the New York Yankees. I think they're
getting close. I think Otawi changes it.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
If the idea is like Otani brings in and a
whole similar to I.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Understand one's Japanese and one.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I think he brings in the Pacific Rim.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, like what Yao Ming did for the Houston Rockets.
We're all of a sudden, it's like you have this
whole new market.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But if so, the.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Because I really maybe eventually the Dodgers get there. If
it's Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers, is the three the teams across
sports competing for that fourth spot. Dodgers definitely are in
the contention. The Celtics are the Warriors? No, probably not,
because that's good. The Warriors are like the Chiefs in
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that it's the super nova of the moment in Mahomes
or Steph Curry. But they don't have a history to
where they're this big brand. So do you think you
think the Dodgers now have surpassed the Cubs as the
second biggest brand in baseball.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Okay, yes, because again, remember Chicago wanted the Olympics. Why
couldn't they get them because they were not considered a
global city. They were considered uh maybe are They're like,
Chicago has won Best North American City seven years in
a row from Conde Architecture. It's an unbelievable city, but
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it's not viewed as an international city.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
D C.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
San Francisco, LA, New York. Boston similarly is not necessarily
seen It's seen as kind of parential, of course, provincial parochial.
So I think they've surfaced. And the Cubs, the Ricketts family,
which by the way, they live about five minutes from
where I'm sitting right now, they are it seats thirty
six thousand, their revenues just don't They're not close. They're
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just not close anymore so. And I think the Cubs
are historic and they matter domestically, but I don't think
they pull.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That might be real nice, and it also might be
a lot of the benefit of the Cubs when or
benefits their own word. But brand recognition, for lack of
better term of the Cubs had to do with if
you're a millennial when you were growing up with like
basic cable for some reason, you got the Cubs games
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because of WGN, so you could like watch your team
and the Cubs and so they they had that and
now people can watch whatever teams they want.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I just saw the who.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Do you sorry for this slight detour, but after the Cowboys,
what do you think the biggest brand in football is?
Like I I hesitate that in the moment, it's obviously
the Chiefs, but you wonder, like if Mahomes retired, like
then the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Interesting you if you bought the Chiefs today, we would
have to consider Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes part of
the buyde yes. So this idea, well, the brand, what
is the brand right now? Jerry Jones is eighty They're dysfunctional,
their roster's bad. There's value to it. But Kansas City's
got the best quarterback in the league for the next
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ten years. So I mean that when Lebron James went
from the Miami Heat back to Dan Gilbert in Cleveland,
I talked to somebody in that equity space. He said
that was a four four, one hundred million dollar day
for Dan Gilbert. Now the Cavs without Lebron, even with
Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell, Lebron changed that. It was
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a paradigm shift economically for Cleveland. Literally, Ken Griffy saved
baseball in Seattle. Lebron James changed the economy. Taylor Swift's tour,
an example, made two point one billion dollars, sold ten
million tickets. That is double the next biggest tour ever.
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So it's only big because of one reason, the artist.
So if you count, I mean, let's be honest, if
you bought a soccer franchise ten years ago and Ronaldo
had an eight year contract, it would make it worth
half a billion dollars more So, I think the Chiefs
with Mahomes, that adds to me, that adds half a
somewhere between five hundred billion and a billion dollars. They
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go from six billion to seven because of Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well, so that's the other piece of this.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
The other piece of this is if the if the
most valuable team in the NBA is now worth ten
billion dollars, what is the most valuable team in the
NFL worth is it fifteen billion? Like? Honestly, like, what
is if this is the new Because you can't tell
like as much as as big of a brand as
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Lakers are.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And I understand the NBA's new TV deal.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I get all that, there is nothing that is the
machine that is the NFL. So if the Lake, if
we now have Lakers ten billion, Celtic six billion, you
know as the metrics, then the if forget the Cowboys.
I'm trying to think of a good, you know, a good.
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If the San Francisco forty nine ers were for sale,
are they a ten billion dollar franchise.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'll give you. I'll give you one that is undervalued.
One Cronky owns Sofi Stadium.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, yeah, the owning the stadium is a big thing.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So if you bought the Rams, you get the state.
I get Sofi Stadium, which can house a hundred concerts
a year. Yeah, and the Chargers and the Rams. So
you have to consider that when you buy the Rams.
So I would say, in the number two market in
the country, I get Sean McVeigh, I get a well
run operation, I get Sofi. I'm sorry, but that's over
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ten billion dollars. I mean it just has to be.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
If they now that the Lakers are worth ten the
biggest NFL brands have to be worth more.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Somebody once in the last year asked Baker Mayfield about
me and blah blah blah, and he said, well, we're frenemies,
and I think Baker knows I like him and respect him,
and he's always been nice to me. He said nice
things publicly. You had to take the other day that
he's Actually he was over discussed when he was in Cleveland.
He's now under discussed. And it's funny because I think
Baker's better than Dak. He's better than Tua. He's better
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than Gino, He's better than Aaron, he's better than Russell,
he's better than Cousins. I think he and Darnold are
very similar that they can be mistake prone, but they
can plan it and they're real players.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Forty touchdowns last year. Yeah No, he's been really good
going there.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah No. Baker is a prime example. You see this
a lot in the NBA where a guy comes in
and you just needs the mature Aunt Edwards. In the NFL, generally,
maturity's not the issue. It's you either have it or
you don't. Baker was the rare lot of testosterone, a
lot of confidence, and I felt like, can somebody turn
the Governor down just a little. He was Johnny Manziel,
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but more likable and with actual talent. He could really
throw football. But I think Baker is the rare NFL
player in quarterback. You're like one of the talents. Inarguable,
he's just got to turn the Governor down. Cleveland was
not built for Baker. You go to a great GM,
a talented roster in Tampa, which is by the way,
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below the radar. It's in the NFC South, which is
a low profile division. Baker now is absolutely underdiscussed. He
is a really good NFL quarterback. I don't think that's disputable.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, I think it's hard to make a top ten
and not include him. And but then when you add
to the fact that he makes around sixty percent of
what the other guys in that top ten make, his
value is massive. He for a guy who dealt with
injuries during in his time in Cleveland, he's incredibly durable. Yeah,
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his teammates love him, and he now has back to
back years of really high productivity, a playoff quarterback, win
the division again forty touchdowns last year. I And so yeah,
I think that there was because he was talked about
so much when he wasn't yet that good, right, I
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think people got I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
If numbs the right word. They were just kind of
got over him.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And now that he is, I think really good people
are just like, okay, yeah, that's Baker, Like he's a
people I think boxed him in.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
He's a good.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Story and that is true, but he's more than that
at this point. At this point, like, do I this
is you know, a third rail for some Do I
think he's better than Brock Birdie?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I do? So what would I rather have?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Like? And so you said, Dak Prescott, I think that's close.
I think that there is There are a lot of
quarterbacks that like I'll give you a great example. Now,
this guy's young and we'll see, but he makes a
lot of money. I think he's pretty clearly better than
Jordan Love. And I think that Jordan Love is discussed.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Like he is.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know, it's interesting. So I was really not anti
Jordan Love, but but I said, for two years, there
is more footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. They're hiding
him for a reason. Then he came out and he
was kind of sensational, and I really bought into him.
And then It's as if the league defensive coordinators got
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all this footage and they found holes and at the
end of last year, you're like, oh, people have caught
on to him. This is now. It would be a
sophomore slump for anybody else, but he was like in
his fourth year. Yeah, and so I want to see him.
So now it's like an NBA playoff series, like you
get worked, then you change things and that there's stages
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and coaching, you know, adaptations.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
To a playoffs adjustment.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah. So now I've seen Jordan shock the league. Now
I've seen people react and he struggles. Now I want
to see his next hand with Matt Lafleur. That's why
they drafted to me a a receiver in the first round,
because they're like, listen, we he may need a little
more help than we think here. But I so, I'm
not sure Baker's better. I think Jordan's got a hell
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of a whip and he's a really good athlete. But
he's he's one of the last quarterbacks in this league.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I'm not sure. I know who's bad, I know who's good.
I know who's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Jordan Love is the last.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'm not really sure what he is in the league.
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Speaker 2 (18:47):
Have the Chiefs become America's team.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Or will that always be?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
In Cowboys? No?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
In fact, the Cowboys were tied for third in total audience,
and that's because Fox puts them on games they probably
shouldn't be. But because the biggest draws right now are
the Chiefs and the Bills and the Ravens and the
Niners are also big in the Packers. But I think
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after this year when Dallas wins five to six games
because I think they have the worst probably head coach
in the league, arguably good Court. I think he was
an average coordinator. I think he's more I think.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, I mean certainly the most unproven and the oddest
higher yeaheah.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
So my take is Dallas will be the fourth most
watch team in the league after this year. Now, Fox
may because of Fox promotion and marketing ability and production values,
we may be able to prop up the Cowboys juice it. Yeah,
I mean, Fox just does it. Fox gives you, like
if you give Fox baseball, it just is better than
(19:49):
other networks doing baseball. Fox is really good at Eric
Shanks lived in a truck. That's how your CEO. Everybody
has a specialty. Bodenheimer was sales when I was at ESPN.
ESPN could monetize anything, anything shit screw up in a truck.
So our production values are sensational. They always have been.
(20:11):
I mean I said this a couple of years ago.
The five to six hour live Super Bowls from opening
moment the pregame show starts to the end, they're majestic.
They're like as good as American television gets for us
live five hours. So so I think Fox may prop
the Cowboys up, but if you put them on another network,
(20:33):
they wouldn't. They wouldn't resonate as much. But they're not
They're not a fun team. Dak is a boring player,
a second lower body body injury. He's not hyper athletic,
he doesn't have a big arm. They have a couple
of interesting receivers. They're not fun to watch. Philadelphia is
fun to watch, Detroit's fun to watch, Buffalo, Kansas City. Uh,
there's some teams in this league that I I mean,
(20:54):
like when the receivers are healthy. Houston's fun to watch.
When the receivers are healthy, Cincinnati's fun to watch. But no,
I think I think Kansas City is actually America's team. Absolutely.
I don't think there's any question. And I would say yeah,
I would say Buffalo to me feels like number two.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Oh listen.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I think Buffalo is probably the team people the team
neutral fans root for the most, because I think people
they look at Buffalo not as an underdog, but like man,
they gotta get over at some point. And Josh Allen
is so likable, and the Chiefs have kind of become
like villains, you know, to a degree.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
All that.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
But yeah, I just think I think the team that
is the biggest draw on, the most interesting is the Chiefs.
And that the reason I even asked it is it
just speaks to the power of the NFL that the
most popular or most interesting team in the biggest league
in the country can be from Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You know what I mean? Like that, it isn't it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Happen about peace. Think about this. Here's the sixth biggest
brands in the NFL, arguably now Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore,
Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
The Celtics approach of being like we are going to
play the fourth quarter of a playoff game the exact
style we would play the first quarter of a February
game is just that's not staying true to who you are.
That's being ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That would be.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
As if the Chiefs at their heyday of the when
Tyreek was there and everything, when they were just high
flying and didn't.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Have a good defense, if they when.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
They were up ten in the fourth quarter of a
playoff game, they're like, bombs away, this is what we do.
That's not smart. That's not staying true to who you are.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's why when the Miami Dolphins have Jalen Waddle and
Tyreek Kill. That works in September and October. But as
the weather gets windy and coal and the all the
best AFC teams plan lousy weather. What you really need
to do, and this is a little bit of a
flaw with Mike McDaniels, is what you really need to
do is start to change your offense about Thanksgiving because
(23:12):
you're going to have to go to Baltimore, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Buffalo.
And so what happens is this is what we do.
We throw it downfield. Will you have a small, modest
armed quarterback and you're still trying and then you try
to pivot to know it's too late. And so it
(23:33):
was always funny watching the Dolphins and I'm like, guys,
you're falling in love with September and October football. This
stuff works. Then the NFL think about this, name the
last Dome dynasty in the NFL. Name the last warm
weather dynasty. They don't exist. Marino never want to ring
right because eventually you become a very warm weather offense.
(23:56):
The Chargers with Dan Fouts were electric.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So that this is a sneaky important thing, and this
is just random luck of the moment as far as
who's good, because you're exactly right that the AFC, all
the excellent teams are outdoor, shitty weather, so like, and
(24:25):
I think that oddly likely works against the Houston Texans
ability to compete for championships in that they're not going
unless they get home field advantage throughout the playoffs. They're
just not going to be conditioned playing in the AFC
South and playing in a dome. The NFC is the opposite,
(24:47):
and it is such a unique potential edge Philadelphia has.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So if you're the Eagles, yep.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And for the time being now, maybe Washington will get great.
They were really good last year, and maybe the Giants
will get great, Maybe the Bears will get great, maybe
the Packers will get great. So this all can change.
But for the time being, for the Eagles, last few years,
they rams Detroit, San Francisco, Dallas, whoever wins the South, Tampa.
(25:21):
So they are in a spot where if we can
get home field, whoever's coming here ain't built for this shit, right,
So like in the AFC, home field matters a little
less for the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Cincinnati because it's like
all right, no matter what, this is gonna be a
(25:41):
pain in the ass, tough, like we're all we're all
built our teams knowing that the NFC, it's just how
it turned where the Lions are in a dome and
the Rams have so that can change, but for the
time being, it makes it to wear for Philadelphia's specific
thickly home field advantage is wildly valuable, wildly valuable.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
So I want to throw something out here. It's I
want to go back to the NBA and and Draymond
Green obviously part of the volume, and you know, there's
certainly an argument he's I think he's the best defensive
player ever. I mean his ability to take Shangoon out
of games to give I mean give to give Yannis
massive problems. Now to give you the greatness of Jokich.
(26:29):
He just waves the white flag on Jokich, just like
I can't do anything either could Anthony Davis. By the way,
Anthony would hold him to twenty eight and Anthony was like,
I played really good and he did, so I mean
jokicch's I mean, Draymond gives Yannis issues. He gives everybody issues.
But one of the brilliant things about Draymond, and I
think it's purposeful and intentional. He moves the line so
(26:52):
it's almost like, if you're a parent, you don't want
to yell at your kids all the time. So the
the kid that's a little inappropriate is constantly consciously or
subconsciously testing his parents what he can get away with,
and at some time, at some point, you as a
parent will be harder on the good natured, to well
(27:15):
behave kid, of course, who infrequently makes a mistake, then
the kid that's always in trouble. When I watched Draymond play,
Mike Green, Breen pointed this out. Draymond has moved a
line that he did something the other night where people
on the air were defending him, and I'm like, nobody
would get away saying I've said this for a long time,
(27:39):
So listen, Draymond.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
And I have a very relationship complicated the right word.
But it's complicated because I am very tight with a
number of people who love Draymond Green, who swear by
Draymond Green who and Draymond does not, you know, have
(28:03):
an affinity for me, and I have been critical of
him in the past, but everyone people whose opinion I
really trust and value say off the court, one of
the best dudes ever, So it's a weird dynamic there. Simultaneously,
I have said that I thought he should have won
three straight Defensive Player of the Year awards back when
(28:25):
Kawhi won two of them, and I do think he
is one of the most brilliant defensive players of all time.
And I'm on the record that I thought he, not Clay,
was the second most important person of the pre KD Warriors.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
So all that's there.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Here is the other piece of it. There is no
player in NBA history who is given more leeway than
and this is an important qualifier Draymond Green after getting
one technical. Sometimes I think the Warriors are their most
(29:07):
dangerous if Draymond gets a technical early. And I know
Draymond is his most devastating defensively when he has five fouls,
because if Draymond gets to five fouls, he does not
file out at six, he fouls out at nine, he
(29:28):
gets three more off damn it, like we're gonna let
it go. And Draymond with one technical can follow the
ref up and down the court doing anything, and a
ref doesn't want to throw him out, and so there
is no question that the guys the NBA refs do
(29:54):
a I think one of the things they need to
do better about is guys who never complain get a
quick trigger on text the one time they do, and
guys who always whine and yell and complain. The refs
seem to turn a deaf ear to with the it. Oddly,
(30:23):
it doesn't really feel like it applies to Luca, because
I think Luca actually really irritates the refs because here's
the difference between Luca and Draymond. Draymond is complaining or
yelling about calls that go against him. Luca is yelling
(30:44):
about calls he does not get. And for some reason,
I think refs are way more bothered by what Luca
does than what Draymond does.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, Luca is saying you missed it. Draymond is arguing
I didn't the effort, but.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Right exactly Draymond. Draymond is saying I'm innocent.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Luca is saying you're guilty, And so the refs seem
to hate Luca, and with Draymond, they're like, ah, Draymond's
being Draymond. But there's also it's not just it's not
just on text. I'm gonna tell like, people can look
up the game log and they will see it. It's
a really so Draymond right now has two flagrant foul
(31:29):
points or and you're suspended that happened him in twenty sixteen.
You get one for a flagrant one, you get two
for a flagrant two. In Warriors Rockets game seven, early on,
Draymond got fouled and then swiped his hand and hit
(31:49):
I think it was Fred, it was definitely it was
Fred van Vliet, and the refs went and reviewed it
and they said foul on Fred van Vliet and then
dead technical on Draymond for hitting him in the face,
with the justification being it can't be a flagrant because
the play was over technically over by a quarter of
(32:13):
a second, so it's a technical. The very next game
played in the NBA, Jokich got fouled by lou Dort
and Jokic hit him in the head, and the refs
went and reviewed it and they said foul on lou Dort,
flagrant on Joker, And I'm like, that is the exact
(32:34):
thing that Draymond literally the exact thing, and it was
a different rule interpretation, and that was I know it
In my bones because the refs were aware, Oh shit,
Draymond is a If we give him this flagrant, then
on his next flagrant, which he is guaranteed to get
at some point, he'll be suspended for a game. So
(32:56):
let's just give him a technical and so listen, if
you can get away with it, it's smart. He can
get away with it. And when Draymond there was just
a I should have pulled it. There was an amazing
graphic today, one of those little dot charts where it
was players since the two minute report has existed, players
(33:22):
who have benefited the most, and it was like Mahomes
one of the NFL quarterback charts, like where there's like
a whole bunch of dots here on this line and
then right here's Mahomes through five years or whatever where
he breaks the chart. It was Draymond that not a
by three standard deviations. No player has had more calls
(33:47):
where the two minute report says, yeah, that should have
been a foul on them and we missed.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
It than Draymon.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
He so he he has ye mind melded the refs
into I'm your great defender, I probably didn't fall him
and gets away with all of it.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
And it's and I give him credit because it's the only.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Way to the only way a guy with his shooting ability,
his height, his limited athleticism could become a first ballot
Hall of Famer is playing this way.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
And he did it. He's done it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Finally, you gotta bless Dallas Cowboy fans heart. They're so
excited for George Pickens. And I was saying this today
when Kyle Shanahan said, I can't make Trey Lance work.
I made Matt shab a pro bowler, Brock Prudy, I
got into a Super Bowl, Garoppolo, I got to a
Super Bowl. I can't make Trey Lance work. And the
(34:40):
Cowboys were like, ooh, here's a fourth round pick. Okay.
When Warren Buffett says, be careful with bitcoin, I'm careful
with bitcoin. When Mike Tomlin says about a receiver, listen,
I can't make it work, Chase Claypool, ab Martevius Bryan,
(35:04):
I mean, the list goes on GANA Johnson. If Mike Tomlin,
who is two things, great motivator and incredibly patient with
immature players. When Mike says, yeah, guys, I'm out doubt.
But Jerry, this is a personality trait. Jerry loves to save.
(35:30):
He loves to give people jobs that need him. Chan Gaily,
Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Brian Schottenheimer. They feel like Jerry
Jerry is saving, that he's giving him job that's not available.
McCarthy couldn't get interviews parcels and Jimmy Johnson didn't need
him that war. Jimmy out Dak Prescott fourth round. He
(35:53):
loves hey, Tony Romo undrafted. Cowboys never draft quarterbacks in
the first round. They don't need. So when he goes
and gets George Pickens, who the reputation is out basically Tomlin,
I'm out. Jerry's like, I'm here, I'll make it work.
(36:13):
I think this is Jerry's wild catting oil days where
he would hunt for gems, and I think that is
literally his mindset with coaches and sometimes draft picks and players,
is that he feels like Pickens, he's he's the rest
of the league is out. I am in, and I
(36:36):
don't think long term. I think that's why the Cowboys
are where the Cowboys are currently in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I think that George Pickens is one of the more
overrated players in the whole league. And the reason I
feel that way is because I think certain football fans
this is one of my this is one of my
favorite and kind of relatively newest to which is talent
(37:03):
has become wildly overrated, and particularly particularly in the NFL.
Obviously you need a requisite level of talent. That goes
without saying, however, this idea that talent is some cure
all when this guy has been a pain in the
(37:25):
ass every step.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Of his football life. It is why he fell on
the draft.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
It is why you were hearing rumors about him being
available during his second year. During his third year, he
was traded here. It is the he It's you know,
when you are potentially trying to get a contract in
the offseason and your team is in the middle of
a losing streak and you show up to the Christmas
(37:55):
Day game against the Kansas City Chiefs ninety minutes before kickoff.
You show up three hours before your TV show Colin
you have two hundred and twenty of them a year,
he's got seventeen football games, and he is like, you're
just not a serious person and you're not going to
contribute to winning the way your talent says you should,
(38:18):
And so there's that. There is also the fact that
trading a third round pick for a player with one
year left on his contract means you probably should give
him a contract extension. The only thing worse, in my opinion,
than trading a third round pick for one year of
(38:41):
George Pickens than letting him be a free agent, is
giving that guy fifty million guarantee. So the Cowboys put
themselves in a position where it's no win. Do we
pay this guy early when he has never He's never
been the top ten in the NFL anything. He's like,
(39:02):
his career numbers are pedestrian. He's never out paced his production,
has never outpaced his targets, and he is he quits
and is a million gets unnecessary, a million problems there,
So you can't pay him.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
But the other thing you shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Do is a smart franchise is keep trading these mid
round picks for rentals. And so I two years ago
Colin the Chiefs ended up winning the Super Bowl. But
two years ago, when the Chiefs had nothing but drops
everywhere and the receivers couldn't do anything, Pickens was available then,
(39:45):
and Wilds and Bru couldn't believe me.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I was like, I don't want him.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I was like, the Chiefs already are on thin ice
with Kadarius Tony, like they you know, and they got
They got the Chiefs trade for Canarius Tony. They gave
up a fifth round pick. He had three years left
on his deal and that's still listen. He had the
amazing partner turn of the Super Bowl, but he's still
ultimately can't get right. Guys can't get right, and so
(40:11):
I'm not a Pickens guy. I also think he's a
somewhat overrated player. And I also think, for if Mike
Tomlin had a hard time keeping him inside the lines,
Brian Schottenheimer in his first year as a head coach,
how much of Brian Schottenheimer's time is gonna be about
(40:33):
Mike's podcast and whatever the hell George Pickens did?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
A lot of it is the answer to that,
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