July 14, 2025 • 24 mins
Jason has more on LeBron James being unhappy with the Lakers, trying to figure out where Suns SG Bradley Beal ends up after a presumed contract buyout, and more!
Guests: Chris Broussard, Benjamin Garcia
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to the Herd Podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in
noon to three eastern nine am to noone Pacific. Find
your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks
for listening to the Herd podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
All right back here on the Herd. Oh boy, listen
this next guest. I've known this guy, I don't know,
Probby since I got here to FS one like nine
years ago, and we would run into each other, and
he was a little taken aback by some of my takes.
I had to take him to school, you know. And
then the old dog taught me some new tricks. So
let's begin Christmas. Ard.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
First things first, demand them. You didn't tell the story.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You didn't tell the story about how when you were
a cub reporter in New York. Yes, I was the
only vet that was kind to you, that is all.
Everybody else was blowing you off, and I was kind
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So I was this young guy at a newspaper in
Jersey and I was crushing it, and I had a
couple job offers, so they were like, oh, we got
to throw back and Tyra bone to keep him in.
So I went to a USA basketball thing in Madison
Square Garden and I walk in wide eyed. I'm trying
to talk to people. Hey, where do I plug in
my computer? And these guys are brushing me off, and
Bruceard's like, hey, young fella, takes me under his wing. Listen,
(01:18):
Bruce Ard is a great guy. I like how you
were in a Jets tie your shows in New York.
How much Jets gonna do this season?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Brew? What are we looking at? Ten and seven?
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Look?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Justin Field?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
No, I'm not going ten and seven. I'm excited about
Aaron Glenn. I'm somewhat excited to see Justin Fields. I
think they will cater the offense to him. They won't
try to fit him into a square peg into a circle,
so I think he'll be okay.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
But I'm not going ten and seven. They're not making
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All right? What big talking point so far today is
this quarterback list that came out.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm sure you guys are going to chop.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It up on first things first next, but Brew, I
got to ask you.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I had some issues with the list. I did my own.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I had Patrick Mahomes coming in at four, coming off
his worst season as a pro. I had Brock Purty
in there. I love Jalen Hurts it five. I'm just
curious if we could get my list on the screen
and you want to kind of poke holes in it.
I mean, there's really not a lot you can do.
I know you're good at this, but this is kind
of at previous.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Patrick Mahomes is number one. What are you talking about?
He is in a category by himself. Okay, I will
give you if this season he.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Comes out and plays the mediocre.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
By his standards type of football he did last year
and there they win ten or eleven games, get bounced
in the first or second round of the playoffs. Sure,
then you can move him down, but until further notice,
he is the best. Not much of a receiving.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Corps at all.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Last year, offensive line on the blink, and yet he
still goes fifteen and one and gets his team to
the Super Bowl. I'm sorry. He is the best. He's
the best quarterback I've ever seen, period. He's not the goat,
yet He's got to do more and win more championships
to get to Brady, But come on, man, the dude
is number one. He's in the category of his own.
(03:16):
Outside of that, I'm putting Lamar ahead of Joe Burrow.
If your argument for Josh Allen what he has been
better in the postseason than Lamar, But right now, I
would say I would put Lamar in two. But I
understand the playoff argument. I think you I like Hurts
like you do. But and I get it, it's only
(03:37):
one year. But right now I'm going with jayde and
Daniels at five.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
A lot of Jade Daniels.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, the poise he showed, the clutch play that he showed.
He didn't have the greatest weapons, you know, outside of
Terry McLaurin. So he is a special quarterback, best rookie
season we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I'll put him at five.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
All right, let's pivot to the NBA brew before we
get to Lebron. I know he's your guy, you know
Lebron and his camp forever. I want to start with
Cooper Flag. There's a lot of doubters. I heard some
people say, hey, he could he could be aimed andre
Kirolinko in the pros. I was like, come on, guys, sorry,
Baron Davis, that's not happening. They didn't shut down Andre
Kirolinko after two Summer League games. But Cooper Flag is
(04:18):
going to be the truth. I said he could be
a Kevin Garnett type player. Obviously not the MVP right
out of the gate, but I love the defense to
handle everything about his game just scream superstar. Where are
you on Cooper Flag after two Summer League games?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Well, I think he'll be a better score than Garnet.
Like offensively, he can do it all. He can shoot
the three, he's got the mid range shot. He can
post a little bit, and I think we'll post better
as his career goes on. He can, you know, lead
the fast break, can obviously take it to the hole
and dunk, so he can do I think his offensive
package is way better than Garnet's, you know, when you
(04:55):
you know you compare those two. But I think he
can be a superstar like his the ceiling is superstar
MVP candidate, you know, and maybe winning it a time
or two. I'm not saying he'll definitely be there. What
I have said is he's definitely a star. The question
is will he be a superstar? And I get that
(05:17):
he struggled in the first game in the Summer League.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Where he really struggled was just that his shot wasn't falling.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You know, he did everything else well, he led the break,
He obviously had the big defensive play and the assist
while leading the break at the end of the game
to win it. And then I you know what, I
like Jay Matt. He knew he said it was. I
think it's worst game or one of his worst games
of his life.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right, what does he do? I like the fact that he.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Clearly looked in the mirror, was upset with himself, and
then goes out the next night and scores half of
his team's points with thirty one Like that.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Shows a dog. And people have questioned that, like wondered,
does he have that inn? Will he take over? Does
he let the game come to him too much?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
In that game too in the Summer League, he took over.
And I like the way he responded to a disappointing
game one. So yeah, I think he is the truth
and great great luck and fortune for the Dallas Maps.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah yeah, fortune favors the bold. I think something nonsense said.
Let me just ask you. This just came to me
listening to you gas up Flag, seems like we're on
the same page. I'm gonna ask you, Chris, if you're
building an NBA team and I said, next seven years,
you've got him locked up. Are you taking Cooper Flag
or SGA?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
SGS Oh remember SGAG stop it?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
We don't know that Cooper Flag will ever as much
as I like you, will ever be the number one
player and lead a team.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
To a championship. That's totally up in the air. SGA.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
He has done it at the age of twenty six. Oh,
by the way, doing it with the young the second
youngest team ever.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
To win an NBA championship.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
No, and here's the other thing, j Matt, SGA still
has plenty of room to grow. His three point shot
is nowhere near where it will be over the next
two three, four years, So he.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Can get even better. Wow.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And so there's no question it ain't look Flag looks
like it'll be a good defender. But SJA also plays
defense like no, no question SGA all day.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Wow, that's a surprise. Honestly, I would take like six
or seven guys over SGA. One Ben Yama, why do
you take over SGA?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Hell, yes, Winny, Okay, I'm not putting Cooper Flag at
Wimby's on Wimby's tier, are you well?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
We'll see after a year. I'm extremely blessed.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon eastern non a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio apps.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Me Rob Parker.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Check out my weekly MLB podcast, Inside the Parker for
twenty two minutes of piping hot baseball talk featuring the
biggest names of newsmakers in the sport. Whether you believe
in analytics or the I test, We've got all the
bases covered. New episodes drop every Thursday, so do your
sofa favor and listen to Inside the Parker with Rob
(08:24):
Parker on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I asked Rick Buker over under one and a half
MVPs for Cooper Flag in his career.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I took the over. Well, here's look I said it.
The ceiling for Cooper Flag is superstar. The ceiling.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I'm not predicting this, but the ceiling for Victor Winbanyama is.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Got tell us that's the ceiling. He can't be to go.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Is that where you're telling you he can't be to go? Okay,
how many guys are you saying could be the go him?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Who else? Right now? Are we looking at that? They disagree?
But I do think given.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
What he's accomplished through his first six or seven seasons,
I think Luka Doncic could be in the goat.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
His numbers are going to be there, for sure. Defense
isn't there.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
The defense is not there, but you know what he's
gonna look Ron Jordans, they were great defenders obviously win Binyama.
So when you talk about goat, you nitpick, and that
would be a knit to pick on Luca.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, no, the defense is not quite there. By the way,
let's talk about Luca on the Lakers. Luca's getting a
little skinnier.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
By the way, do you believe this Luca's thin and
he's Are you believing this based on pictures seeing Luca
at at at a Jordan party and you know, Greece
or wherever he was over, he.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Didn't look he did look awfully thin. I mean it
was noticeably.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Come on, I don't know, he's looked good in the
you know, in the summers before. Right, we've looked at him.
Oh wow, Luca's slimming down. But I will say this,
I mean, obviously playing with Lebron James may change your
perspective for a positive, right.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
You look at the way Lebron works, You look at him.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Doing what he's doing at forty years old, and you
may be I would think a competitor would say, man,
I'm gonna start doing some of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So that could be good for Luca.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And also he is entering that like you talked about
what he's done over the first six years of his career,
and he's been phenomenal. I love Luca, but doesn't yet
have an MVP and obviously doesn't have a championship, and
so he is now at that stage jamac where until
he wins a ring, there is going to be a
(10:37):
little bit of criticism of him.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Like people will give him.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Love, don't get me wrong, but it'll be like, okay,
when you're gonna win and they've all faced it, Jordan Lebron,
everyone who has taken several years to win as probably
the best player, one of the best players in the league,
gets starts to get that criticism, and that can spark
you to work, work, harder, and so I think this
(11:01):
could be good for Luke. He's getting a little bit
of criticism and so now I think that can spark
him to work harder on defense, work harder on his body,
and come back as an even better player.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'm trying to look it up, Bru, but it looks
like Lebron and Jordan both won their first title at
twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Is that accurate? Right around there? So Luca's like right
in line with that.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's not a big it's not a race, just you
can get the first title, you know, it's a marathon.
And watching Luca work again, I know people don't like
when I hear putting Luca on the goat, but he
makes everyone around him better the way Magic did, the
way Lebron did, the way Jokic does.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Different from Magic.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Here's why certain players he does make better, And say
with Lebron, they make certain players better. But because this
way Lebron was in his prime, because they are so
ball dominant, it is tough to fit pieces.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Around them right.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
You have to fit the right pieces around like Magic
was different. Magic was such such a great playmaker that
everyone on the team could be the best version of themselves.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
You haven't seen that with Lebron through his career or
Luca through his career.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
And that's that's just the ball dominant era. Some of
these guys are just too ball dominant. But Luca is
phenomenal obviously, and so I'm just pointing that out.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Ball dominant, like the free throw merchant SGA. Anyways, let's
quickly go. So I'm just some heat on Friday for
DeAndre Ayton. Listen, statistically, just statistically, first seven years averaging
fifteen and ten and shooting fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
In a class.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Listen, that's pretty good for centers, especially in this era
where it's not really they're.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Not getting the ball as much.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So I think Eyton is a steal at eight million
dollars when you consider Rudy Goberts at like thirty five mil,
I would take eight and at eight mili over him.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
However, it's DeAndre Ayton.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
He was a malcontent in Portland, he was kind of
lazy in Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Do you think he can turn it around playing with
Luca and Lebron. Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I don't know how far you went, how you were
talking about a class you put him in what class
did you actually put him in?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So the guys who are fifteen ten and fifty percent
shooting are our centers like Jannis and Jokic and elite guys.
And again, statistically he's in that, not in that he's.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Not as good as Nobody would say that, come on,
what other than you? Apparently? But uh.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
No, but look, I I otherwise, I'm otherwise beyond saying
he's with Giannis and Jokic. I'm with you, all right,
I agree. I think I don't understand why certain people
have payned this move to get DeAndre Ayden intradiculously. People
love the Mark Williams acquisition. Right today, obviously killed he's
(13:50):
better than Mark Williams statistically and period. Okay, he's gonna
be a great fit with Luca. He obviously will be
great on the live from Luca. And then he's got
the short mid range shot that is darned near automatic.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I mean, he really is good at that level.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
What I want to see from DeAndre Ayton his problem
has really been his attitude, moodiness.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
His motor, a lack thereof.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
At times, I want to see him say, look, I'm
playing with the best player of this generation and another
guy that could be the best player of his generation
in Luca, we have a chance to do something special.
I'm giving my awe or the defensive end, and then
don't be so moody again, like Luka, learn from Lebron
(14:35):
is example.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
And I agree with you. I think it was a
great move by the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I'm not saying it puts him over the top to
win the championship, but I think it was a great move.
And look, they're right there. I think right now you
would say, Okay, see Denver, Houston and Minnesota are better
than the Lakers, but the Lakers are good enough where
there's hope.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like they should go out there, like we have hope
that we can do something special this year. If the
Lakers get Bradley Beal, they're the favorites of the West.
Let's quickly go to Lebron. Oh, no, stop that, let's
go to Lebron.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I have to ask you about this. You know this
guy as well as anybody. He's been leaving bred crumbs
on social media for a couple weeks now. He's using
Rich Paul to get his take out that he's not
happy with the Lakers, not really feeling the love from
Polinka and company. They're good, they're showering Luca. Please tell
the audience there's zero chance Lebron's getting traded.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Zero, they're not.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I won't say, I won't say zero, but I am
with you. I don't think he's getting traded. I think
he starts the season with the Lakers. Now, if for
some reason it goes terrible, would they try to move
him at the deadline, maybe get him to a team
with a chance to do something in the playoffs. Yeah,
something like that. But I don't see it going terrible. Right,
they were fifteen and eight with Lebron and Luca last
(15:54):
year and Jay Mac the teams they beat. They beat
Houston twice, they beat Denver twice, they beat Oklahoma City,
they beat New York, they beat Indiana. Like those fifteen
wins weren't against chump change.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Like, they weren't playing good basketball.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
And that was on the fly, right, that was where
a roster not built around Luca.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
It was on the fly. Lebron had to all of
a sudden adjust to be.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
In the second guy offensively, and they still played good basketball.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
So you would expect them to be better.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
You know, JJ Reddick has spent all offseason trying to
figure out what's the best way to maximize Lebron and
Luca and the other parts.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Together.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
You add a good sinner and DeAndre Ayton that you
didn't have a year ago.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Like again, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Predicting at this moment that they're gonna win the championship.
But if I'm the Lakers, I'm saying we are one
of a handful of teams with two All NBA level
players in Luca and Lebron, and we've got a good
cast of role players. Now they need more athleticism on
the wing, they need more shooting, got to be but
(16:59):
they're good enough where you can, as I said, you
should go into this season hopeful. So look, if I
could get this isn't even possible because of the second
Apron rules and stuff, But if I could get like
Darius Garland and Jared Allen for Lebron, I would do
if I'm like, now you have Ayton, so you may
(17:21):
not need Alan those contracts, that type of passage, you know,
but those are but those are guys that can play
off Luca in the future and the present. See Darius
Garland I think would be good off Luca because he.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Can shoot, and then obviously Allen with.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
The defense and finishing at the rim off Luca would
be good. So I'm looking at them as guys that
would help you be good in the present and beyond.
So I would do that, but again that's not even possible,
so I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, I don't see the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
When the Suns get rid of Bradley Beal, the Lakers
could get it for five million dollars. Bradley Beal is
the missing piece. You can just go ahead and get
the parade ready for the Lakers if they get Bradley Beal.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I know the people.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I am not nearly and I like watching it. I'm
just first of all, I'm not sure they'd even get Bill.
You know, obviously he's gonna have a lot of options,
but I don't know that he wants to go there
and be at best the third banana like he would
come off the bench.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Right so you want to win. I don't know that.
I'm not sure. I haven't talked to it.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I don't know that he wants to do that though,
so it might be attitude issues. I just don't see that.
Maybe a nice pickup if you can get him and
he's got.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
The right attitude.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
My main man, Chris Brussard, He's on First Things First
after this, Bru. Anytime you want to lose an NBA battle,
just holler at your boy.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
We'll chop it up.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Have a great summ of them. I won't tell the audience.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
We used to have a whole segment on my podcast
where I beat you down. It was literally called knock
Down Jay, and you were Jay?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
So why were talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
All right?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Coming up next year on the Herd? What are the
sons doing? Bradley Beal?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And I got a guest who you are gonna love
to talk about, Kyler Murray, who eats is better than
Brock thirty away.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a Empacific.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Back here on the Herd, all right. Our next guest
is a guy I've known for a couple of years now.
Good basketball player, but also he's really carved out a
niche as like mister Arizona Sports. Benjamin Garcia joining the Herd,
host of The Locked On Sun's podcast. I've known Ben
for a while. He does great social media stuff. Ben,
I don't know if you heard me chopping it up
(19:29):
with Chris Blushar. But I'm bullish on Bradley Beal getting
bought out, waved and stretch like Damian Lillard and joining
my Lakers out here.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I think it would be a boon. Or are you
on Bradley Beal? Having watched him the last few years
in Arizona, well.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Bradley Beal has been someone who, to his defense, has
been very accommodating to what the Phoenix Suns have wanted
him to be. He's taken the third option, He's taken
more three point shots in that instance. Bradley Beal is
a good team player. But you're asking him now to
go over to the Lakers and be this pesky defender.
(20:03):
The issue with the Lakers is not scoring. They've got Lebron,
They've got Luca Austin Reeves. What they don't need is
another person who's an anchor defensive defensively in a bad way,
meaning you're gonna stick a starting five out there of
DeAndre Ayton, Bradley Vial, Luka, Doncic, Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Tell me which one of.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Those guys is scaring anyone on a night in a
night out, Basis I actually think it is. That would
be I mean, career malpractice for Bradley Beale to go
over to a team which he was just on one
of those teams that thought, if you add more scoring power,
more volume to him, and this team would be awesome.
We'll just outscore everyone. Take it from someone who has
(20:43):
covered the Phoenix Suns on a night in, night out, basis,
having more offense isn't always necessarily a good thing. And
I would look at the Oklahoma City Thunder, who pushed
teams around the entire time. I think it's absolutely crazy.
There are two teams that make sense.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
The Bucks.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
The Clippers maybe re create Norman Powell in the aggregate
moneyball style with CP and Bradley Beal. But the Lakers,
Jason come on.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Down, Hey, you gotta get five million dollars. He's a
major deal. Hey, let me quickly on him. Did you
how are your deal into it? DeAndre Ayton covering the team,
he's this guy a malcontent. We know Kevin Durant doesn't
like you, doesn't like me. He gets very upset with people.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But what about Aydon? Does he hear all this noise?
Is he kind of an issue? Ayden is if Ayton
had the.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Same presence as Kevin Durant did offensively or i as
a basketball player at all, he would be seen as
someone else that has perceived as quote unquote sensitive. DeAndre
Ayden talks a lot of game talks about how he's dominating.
He's gonna go in and he's gonna dunk on everyone,
he's gonna hit elbow jumpers, and then it comes to
game time. There are multiple instances where one thing that
(21:49):
got back to me is the Game two against the
Denver Nuggets years ago where he's just standing around watching
Nicole Jokic and Kevin Durant fight for a rebound. That
is the epitome of deandreiden. No one thinks he he's
not incredibly talented, and when you look at the statistics
for like fifteen and ten, I'm Jason macintar, I think
he's the next Nicole jokicch but that's nonsense. He has
(22:10):
a middle of the pack. I mean, let's forget about that, Jason.
After one year of the DeAndre Ayton experience in Portland,
what did they do. They went and drafted his replacement,
Donovan Klingen. Two years later, they said, you know what,
we would rather just pay you to leave. It is
a desperate move by the Lakers to go get deandreid
and maybe he's a good lob threat with Luka Doncic
(22:33):
in that instance, but asking him to come in and
be a defender, the biggest cell you could make is
can DeAndre Ayden come in and be someone who on
a contract year is looking for that next big deal
and turns it on for a year.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
We saw that happen in twenty twenty one with the Suns.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Outside of that, it's been more talk than actually doing
the thing.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And that's kind of where it goes with DeAndre aid Right,
we got like two minutes left.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I'm curious, Kyler Murray, you and I have sparred on
Kyler mur versus rock Perty.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
ESPN had a list to at.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
The top ten quarterbacks from scouts, executives, and coaches, and
Kyler Murray did not sniff the top twelve. So I'm
just curious, where are you on your boy Kyler? In
a make or break here, it's a.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Make or break a year for Kyler Murray in this instance.
Is he going to be back on the team next year?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Make or break?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
I don't think that's the case, he's got like a
sixty plus million dollar cap that you and I talked
about this on my podcast before, where it's just so
much money to move away from. We will know by
the end of the year if Kyler Murray can be
a consistent enough quarterback on a week in a week
out basis to a point where he can help get
you to a super Bowl. Brock Purdy has been to
a super Bowl. Jalen Hurts won a Super Bowl. Brock
(23:40):
Purtty did twice. It's about now, can you surround Kyler
Murray with enough talent and not make him be the piece?
Because what we've learned is when he's the piece, it's
a recipe for likely disaster in the later parts of
the season. But if you could surround a bunch of
players around him talent wise like you did with Brock
and Hurts, he can absolutely be back good.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
All right, thirty seconds, ben, Are the Arizona Cardinals gonna
make a wild card team in the NFC this season?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah? They better.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
This is a year where everyone talks about is that
JG is Amani Austin for it? Could people be on
the hot seect But could Kyler Murray be gone?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Next year.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Everyone's got a little bit of pressure on them. The
floor for this team is like nine wins. But you
could talk me into the talent of this team as
well as with all the other players surrounding them and
the coaching staff, that this could be a conference championship
level tea. If I told you two years ago, if
I told you two years ago, Jason, the Lowly Lions
and the Washington Commanders are going to be in the
conference championship game in back to back years, you'd call
(24:39):
me crazy, you'd block my number, you'd already kick me
off the show.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But since it happened, it is, it is, There is
a potential for that to be the case.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
All right, Benjamin Garcia, great stuff, love the show on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Keep up the good work. Thanks for the time, buddy,
Thanks for having me man.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
All right, coming up next we will wrap up the show.
Thanks for listening to the Herd Podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in
noon to three eastern nine am to noone Pacific. Find
your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks
for listening to the Herd podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
All right back here on the Herd. Oh boy, listen
this next guest. I've known this guy, I don't know,
Probby since I got here to FS one like nine
years ago, and we would run into each other, and
he was a little taken aback by some of my takes.
I had to take him to school, you know. And
then the old dog taught me some new tricks. So
let's begin Christmas. Ard.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
First things first, demand them. You didn't tell the story.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You didn't tell the story about how when you were
a cub reporter in New York. Yes, I was the
only vet that was kind to you, that is all.
Everybody else was blowing you off, and I was kind
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So I was this young guy at a newspaper in
Jersey and I was crushing it, and I had a
couple job offers, so they were like, oh, we got
to throw back and Tyra bone to keep him in.
So I went to a USA basketball thing in Madison
Square Garden and I walk in wide eyed. I'm trying
to talk to people. Hey, where do I plug in
my computer? And these guys are brushing me off, and
Bruceard's like, hey, young fella, takes me under his wing. Listen,
(01:18):
Bruce Ard is a great guy. I like how you
were in a Jets tie your shows in New York.
How much Jets gonna do this season?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Brew? What are we looking at? Ten and seven?
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Look?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Justin Field?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
No, I'm not going ten and seven. I'm excited about
Aaron Glenn. I'm somewhat excited to see Justin Fields. I
think they will cater the offense to him. They won't
try to fit him into a square peg into a circle,
so I think he'll be okay.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
But I'm not going ten and seven. They're not making
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All right? What big talking point so far today is
this quarterback list that came out.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm sure you guys are going to chop.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It up on first things first next, but Brew, I
got to ask you.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I had some issues with the list. I did my own.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I had Patrick Mahomes coming in at four, coming off
his worst season as a pro. I had Brock Purty
in there. I love Jalen Hurts it five. I'm just
curious if we could get my list on the screen
and you want to kind of poke holes in it.
I mean, there's really not a lot you can do.
I know you're good at this, but this is kind
of at previous.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Patrick Mahomes is number one. What are you talking about?
He is in a category by himself. Okay, I will
give you if this season he.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Comes out and plays the mediocre.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
By his standards type of football he did last year
and there they win ten or eleven games, get bounced
in the first or second round of the playoffs. Sure,
then you can move him down, but until further notice,
he is the best. Not much of a receiving.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Corps at all.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Last year, offensive line on the blink, and yet he
still goes fifteen and one and gets his team to
the Super Bowl. I'm sorry. He is the best. He's
the best quarterback I've ever seen, period. He's not the goat,
yet He's got to do more and win more championships
to get to Brady, But come on, man, the dude
is number one. He's in the category of his own.
(03:16):
Outside of that, I'm putting Lamar ahead of Joe Burrow.
If your argument for Josh Allen what he has been
better in the postseason than Lamar, But right now, I
would say I would put Lamar in two. But I
understand the playoff argument. I think you I like Hurts
like you do. But and I get it, it's only
(03:37):
one year. But right now I'm going with jayde and
Daniels at five.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
A lot of Jade Daniels.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, the poise he showed, the clutch play that he showed.
He didn't have the greatest weapons, you know, outside of
Terry McLaurin. So he is a special quarterback, best rookie
season we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I'll put him at five.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
All right, let's pivot to the NBA brew before we
get to Lebron. I know he's your guy, you know
Lebron and his camp forever. I want to start with
Cooper Flag. There's a lot of doubters. I heard some
people say, hey, he could he could be aimed andre
Kirolinko in the pros. I was like, come on, guys, sorry,
Baron Davis, that's not happening. They didn't shut down Andre
Kirolinko after two Summer League games. But Cooper Flag is
(04:18):
going to be the truth. I said he could be
a Kevin Garnett type player. Obviously not the MVP right
out of the gate, but I love the defense to
handle everything about his game just scream superstar. Where are
you on Cooper Flag after two Summer League games?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Well, I think he'll be a better score than Garnet.
Like offensively, he can do it all. He can shoot
the three, he's got the mid range shot. He can
post a little bit, and I think we'll post better
as his career goes on. He can, you know, lead
the fast break, can obviously take it to the hole
and dunk, so he can do I think his offensive
package is way better than Garnet's, you know, when you
(04:55):
you know you compare those two. But I think he
can be a superstar like his the ceiling is superstar
MVP candidate, you know, and maybe winning it a time
or two. I'm not saying he'll definitely be there. What
I have said is he's definitely a star. The question
is will he be a superstar? And I get that
(05:17):
he struggled in the first game in the Summer League.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Where he really struggled was just that his shot wasn't falling.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You know, he did everything else well, he led the break,
He obviously had the big defensive play and the assist
while leading the break at the end of the game
to win it. And then I you know what, I
like Jay Matt. He knew he said it was. I
think it's worst game or one of his worst games
of his life.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right, what does he do? I like the fact that he.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Clearly looked in the mirror, was upset with himself, and
then goes out the next night and scores half of
his team's points with thirty one Like that.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Shows a dog. And people have questioned that, like wondered,
does he have that inn? Will he take over? Does
he let the game come to him too much?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
In that game too in the Summer League, he took over.
And I like the way he responded to a disappointing
game one. So yeah, I think he is the truth
and great great luck and fortune for the Dallas Maps.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah yeah, fortune favors the bold. I think something nonsense said.
Let me just ask you. This just came to me
listening to you gas up Flag, seems like we're on
the same page. I'm gonna ask you, Chris, if you're
building an NBA team and I said, next seven years,
you've got him locked up. Are you taking Cooper Flag
or SGA?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
SGS Oh remember SGAG stop it?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
We don't know that Cooper Flag will ever as much
as I like you, will ever be the number one
player and lead a team.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
To a championship. That's totally up in the air. SGA.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
He has done it at the age of twenty six. Oh,
by the way, doing it with the young the second
youngest team ever.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
To win an NBA championship.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
No, and here's the other thing, j Matt, SGA still
has plenty of room to grow. His three point shot
is nowhere near where it will be over the next
two three, four years, So he.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Can get even better. Wow.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And so there's no question it ain't look Flag looks
like it'll be a good defender. But SJA also plays
defense like no, no question SGA all day.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Wow, that's a surprise. Honestly, I would take like six
or seven guys over SGA. One Ben Yama, why do
you take over SGA?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Hell, yes, Winny, Okay, I'm not putting Cooper Flag at
Wimby's on Wimby's tier, are you well?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
We'll see after a year. I'm extremely blessed.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon eastern non a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio apps.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Me Rob Parker.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Check out my weekly MLB podcast, Inside the Parker for
twenty two minutes of piping hot baseball talk featuring the
biggest names of newsmakers in the sport. Whether you believe
in analytics or the I test, We've got all the
bases covered. New episodes drop every Thursday, so do your
sofa favor and listen to Inside the Parker with Rob
(08:24):
Parker on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I asked Rick Buker over under one and a half
MVPs for Cooper Flag in his career.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I took the over. Well, here's look I said it.
The ceiling for Cooper Flag is superstar. The ceiling.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I'm not predicting this, but the ceiling for Victor Winbanyama is.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Got tell us that's the ceiling. He can't be to go.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Is that where you're telling you he can't be to go? Okay,
how many guys are you saying could be the go him?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Who else? Right now? Are we looking at that? They disagree?
But I do think given.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
What he's accomplished through his first six or seven seasons,
I think Luka Doncic could be in the goat.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
His numbers are going to be there, for sure. Defense
isn't there.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
The defense is not there, but you know what he's
gonna look Ron Jordans, they were great defenders obviously win Binyama.
So when you talk about goat, you nitpick, and that
would be a knit to pick on Luca.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, no, the defense is not quite there. By the way,
let's talk about Luca on the Lakers. Luca's getting a
little skinnier.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
By the way, do you believe this Luca's thin and
he's Are you believing this based on pictures seeing Luca
at at at a Jordan party and you know, Greece
or wherever he was over, he.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Didn't look he did look awfully thin. I mean it
was noticeably.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Come on, I don't know, he's looked good in the
you know, in the summers before. Right, we've looked at him.
Oh wow, Luca's slimming down. But I will say this,
I mean, obviously playing with Lebron James may change your
perspective for a positive, right.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
You look at the way Lebron works, You look at him.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Doing what he's doing at forty years old, and you
may be I would think a competitor would say, man,
I'm gonna start doing some of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So that could be good for Luca.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And also he is entering that like you talked about
what he's done over the first six years of his career,
and he's been phenomenal. I love Luca, but doesn't yet
have an MVP and obviously doesn't have a championship, and
so he is now at that stage jamac where until
he wins a ring, there is going to be a
(10:37):
little bit of criticism of him.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Like people will give him.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Love, don't get me wrong, but it'll be like, okay,
when you're gonna win and they've all faced it, Jordan Lebron,
everyone who has taken several years to win as probably
the best player, one of the best players in the league,
gets starts to get that criticism, and that can spark
you to work, work, harder, and so I think this
(11:01):
could be good for Luke. He's getting a little bit
of criticism and so now I think that can spark
him to work harder on defense, work harder on his body,
and come back as an even better player.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'm trying to look it up, Bru, but it looks
like Lebron and Jordan both won their first title at
twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Is that accurate? Right around there? So Luca's like right
in line with that.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's not a big it's not a race, just you
can get the first title, you know, it's a marathon.
And watching Luca work again, I know people don't like
when I hear putting Luca on the goat, but he
makes everyone around him better the way Magic did, the
way Lebron did, the way Jokic does.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Different from Magic.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Here's why certain players he does make better, And say
with Lebron, they make certain players better. But because this
way Lebron was in his prime, because they are so
ball dominant, it is tough to fit pieces.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Around them right.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
You have to fit the right pieces around like Magic
was different. Magic was such such a great playmaker that
everyone on the team could be the best version of themselves.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
You haven't seen that with Lebron through his career or
Luca through his career.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
And that's that's just the ball dominant era. Some of
these guys are just too ball dominant. But Luca is
phenomenal obviously, and so I'm just pointing that out.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Ball dominant, like the free throw merchant SGA. Anyways, let's
quickly go. So I'm just some heat on Friday for
DeAndre Ayton. Listen, statistically, just statistically, first seven years averaging
fifteen and ten and shooting fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
In a class.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Listen, that's pretty good for centers, especially in this era
where it's not really they're.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Not getting the ball as much.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So I think Eyton is a steal at eight million
dollars when you consider Rudy Goberts at like thirty five mil,
I would take eight and at eight mili over him.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
However, it's DeAndre Ayton.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
He was a malcontent in Portland, he was kind of
lazy in Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Do you think he can turn it around playing with
Luca and Lebron. Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I don't know how far you went, how you were
talking about a class you put him in what class
did you actually put him in?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So the guys who are fifteen ten and fifty percent
shooting are our centers like Jannis and Jokic and elite guys.
And again, statistically he's in that, not in that he's.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Not as good as Nobody would say that, come on,
what other than you? Apparently? But uh.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
No, but look, I I otherwise, I'm otherwise beyond saying
he's with Giannis and Jokic. I'm with you, all right,
I agree. I think I don't understand why certain people
have payned this move to get DeAndre Ayden intradiculously. People
love the Mark Williams acquisition. Right today, obviously killed he's
(13:50):
better than Mark Williams statistically and period. Okay, he's gonna
be a great fit with Luca. He obviously will be
great on the live from Luca. And then he's got
the short mid range shot that is darned near automatic.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I mean, he really is good at that level.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
What I want to see from DeAndre Ayton his problem
has really been his attitude, moodiness.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
His motor, a lack thereof.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
At times, I want to see him say, look, I'm
playing with the best player of this generation and another
guy that could be the best player of his generation
in Luca, we have a chance to do something special.
I'm giving my awe or the defensive end, and then
don't be so moody again, like Luka, learn from Lebron
(14:35):
is example.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
And I agree with you. I think it was a
great move by the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I'm not saying it puts him over the top to
win the championship, but I think it was a great move.
And look, they're right there. I think right now you
would say, Okay, see Denver, Houston and Minnesota are better
than the Lakers, but the Lakers are good enough where
there's hope.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like they should go out there, like we have hope
that we can do something special this year. If the
Lakers get Bradley Beal, they're the favorites of the West.
Let's quickly go to Lebron. Oh, no, stop that, let's
go to Lebron.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I have to ask you about this. You know this
guy as well as anybody. He's been leaving bred crumbs
on social media for a couple weeks now. He's using
Rich Paul to get his take out that he's not
happy with the Lakers, not really feeling the love from
Polinka and company. They're good, they're showering Luca. Please tell
the audience there's zero chance Lebron's getting traded.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Zero, they're not.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I won't say, I won't say zero, but I am
with you. I don't think he's getting traded. I think
he starts the season with the Lakers. Now, if for
some reason it goes terrible, would they try to move
him at the deadline, maybe get him to a team
with a chance to do something in the playoffs. Yeah,
something like that. But I don't see it going terrible. Right,
they were fifteen and eight with Lebron and Luca last
(15:54):
year and Jay Mac the teams they beat. They beat
Houston twice, they beat Denver twice, they beat Oklahoma City,
they beat New York, they beat Indiana. Like those fifteen
wins weren't against chump change.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Like, they weren't playing good basketball.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
And that was on the fly, right, that was where
a roster not built around Luca.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
It was on the fly. Lebron had to all of
a sudden adjust to be.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
In the second guy offensively, and they still played good basketball.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
So you would expect them to be better.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
You know, JJ Reddick has spent all offseason trying to
figure out what's the best way to maximize Lebron and
Luca and the other parts.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Together.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
You add a good sinner and DeAndre Ayton that you
didn't have a year ago.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Like again, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Predicting at this moment that they're gonna win the championship.
But if I'm the Lakers, I'm saying we are one
of a handful of teams with two All NBA level
players in Luca and Lebron, and we've got a good
cast of role players. Now they need more athleticism on
the wing, they need more shooting, got to be but
(16:59):
they're good enough where you can, as I said, you
should go into this season hopeful. So look, if I
could get this isn't even possible because of the second
Apron rules and stuff, But if I could get like
Darius Garland and Jared Allen for Lebron, I would do
if I'm like, now you have Ayton, so you may
(17:21):
not need Alan those contracts, that type of passage, you know,
but those are but those are guys that can play
off Luca in the future and the present. See Darius
Garland I think would be good off Luca because he.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Can shoot, and then obviously Allen with.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
The defense and finishing at the rim off Luca would
be good. So I'm looking at them as guys that
would help you be good in the present and beyond.
So I would do that, but again that's not even possible,
so I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, I don't see the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
When the Suns get rid of Bradley Beal, the Lakers
could get it for five million dollars. Bradley Beal is
the missing piece. You can just go ahead and get
the parade ready for the Lakers if they get Bradley Beal.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I know the people.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I am not nearly and I like watching it. I'm
just first of all, I'm not sure they'd even get Bill.
You know, obviously he's gonna have a lot of options,
but I don't know that he wants to go there
and be at best the third banana like he would
come off the bench.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Right so you want to win. I don't know that.
I'm not sure. I haven't talked to it.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I don't know that he wants to do that though,
so it might be attitude issues. I just don't see that.
Maybe a nice pickup if you can get him and
he's got.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
The right attitude.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
My main man, Chris Brussard, He's on First Things First
after this, Bru. Anytime you want to lose an NBA battle,
just holler at your boy.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
We'll chop it up.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Have a great summ of them. I won't tell the audience.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
We used to have a whole segment on my podcast
where I beat you down. It was literally called knock
Down Jay, and you were Jay?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
So why were talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
All right?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Coming up next year on the Herd? What are the
sons doing? Bradley Beal?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And I got a guest who you are gonna love
to talk about, Kyler Murray, who eats is better than
Brock thirty away.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a Empacific.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Back here on the Herd, all right. Our next guest
is a guy I've known for a couple of years now.
Good basketball player, but also he's really carved out a
niche as like mister Arizona Sports. Benjamin Garcia joining the Herd,
host of The Locked On Sun's podcast. I've known Ben
for a while. He does great social media stuff. Ben,
I don't know if you heard me chopping it up
(19:29):
with Chris Blushar. But I'm bullish on Bradley Beal getting
bought out, waved and stretch like Damian Lillard and joining
my Lakers out here.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I think it would be a boon. Or are you
on Bradley Beal? Having watched him the last few years
in Arizona, well.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Bradley Beal has been someone who, to his defense, has
been very accommodating to what the Phoenix Suns have wanted
him to be. He's taken the third option, He's taken
more three point shots in that instance. Bradley Beal is
a good team player. But you're asking him now to
go over to the Lakers and be this pesky defender.
(20:03):
The issue with the Lakers is not scoring. They've got Lebron,
They've got Luca Austin Reeves. What they don't need is
another person who's an anchor defensive defensively in a bad way,
meaning you're gonna stick a starting five out there of
DeAndre Ayton, Bradley Vial, Luka, Doncic, Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Tell me which one of.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Those guys is scaring anyone on a night in a
night out, Basis I actually think it is. That would
be I mean, career malpractice for Bradley Beale to go
over to a team which he was just on one
of those teams that thought, if you add more scoring power,
more volume to him, and this team would be awesome.
We'll just outscore everyone. Take it from someone who has
(20:43):
covered the Phoenix Suns on a night in, night out, basis,
having more offense isn't always necessarily a good thing. And
I would look at the Oklahoma City Thunder, who pushed
teams around the entire time. I think it's absolutely crazy.
There are two teams that make sense.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
The Bucks.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
The Clippers maybe re create Norman Powell in the aggregate
moneyball style with CP and Bradley Beal. But the Lakers,
Jason come on.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Down, Hey, you gotta get five million dollars. He's a
major deal. Hey, let me quickly on him. Did you
how are your deal into it? DeAndre Ayton covering the team,
he's this guy a malcontent. We know Kevin Durant doesn't
like you, doesn't like me. He gets very upset with people.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But what about Aydon? Does he hear all this noise?
Is he kind of an issue? Ayden is if Ayton
had the.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Same presence as Kevin Durant did offensively or i as
a basketball player at all, he would be seen as
someone else that has perceived as quote unquote sensitive. DeAndre
Ayden talks a lot of game talks about how he's dominating.
He's gonna go in and he's gonna dunk on everyone,
he's gonna hit elbow jumpers, and then it comes to
game time. There are multiple instances where one thing that
(21:49):
got back to me is the Game two against the
Denver Nuggets years ago where he's just standing around watching
Nicole Jokic and Kevin Durant fight for a rebound. That
is the epitome of deandreiden. No one thinks he he's
not incredibly talented, and when you look at the statistics
for like fifteen and ten, I'm Jason macintar, I think
he's the next Nicole jokicch but that's nonsense. He has
(22:10):
a middle of the pack. I mean, let's forget about that, Jason.
After one year of the DeAndre Ayton experience in Portland,
what did they do. They went and drafted his replacement,
Donovan Klingen. Two years later, they said, you know what,
we would rather just pay you to leave. It is
a desperate move by the Lakers to go get deandreid
and maybe he's a good lob threat with Luka Doncic
(22:33):
in that instance, but asking him to come in and
be a defender, the biggest cell you could make is
can DeAndre Ayden come in and be someone who on
a contract year is looking for that next big deal
and turns it on for a year.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
We saw that happen in twenty twenty one with the Suns.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Outside of that, it's been more talk than actually doing
the thing.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And that's kind of where it goes with DeAndre aid Right,
we got like two minutes left.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I'm curious, Kyler Murray, you and I have sparred on
Kyler mur versus rock Perty.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
ESPN had a list to at.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
The top ten quarterbacks from scouts, executives, and coaches, and
Kyler Murray did not sniff the top twelve. So I'm
just curious, where are you on your boy Kyler? In
a make or break here, it's a.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Make or break a year for Kyler Murray in this instance.
Is he going to be back on the team next year?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Make or break?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
I don't think that's the case, he's got like a
sixty plus million dollar cap that you and I talked
about this on my podcast before, where it's just so
much money to move away from. We will know by
the end of the year if Kyler Murray can be
a consistent enough quarterback on a week in a week
out basis to a point where he can help get
you to a super Bowl. Brock Purdy has been to
a super Bowl. Jalen Hurts won a Super Bowl. Brock
(23:40):
Purtty did twice. It's about now, can you surround Kyler
Murray with enough talent and not make him be the piece?
Because what we've learned is when he's the piece, it's
a recipe for likely disaster in the later parts of
the season. But if you could surround a bunch of
players around him talent wise like you did with Brock
and Hurts, he can absolutely be back good.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
All right, thirty seconds, ben, Are the Arizona Cardinals gonna
make a wild card team in the NFC this season?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah? They better.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
This is a year where everyone talks about is that
JG is Amani Austin for it? Could people be on
the hot seect But could Kyler Murray be gone?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Next year.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Everyone's got a little bit of pressure on them. The
floor for this team is like nine wins. But you
could talk me into the talent of this team as
well as with all the other players surrounding them and
the coaching staff, that this could be a conference championship
level tea. If I told you two years ago, if
I told you two years ago, Jason, the Lowly Lions
and the Washington Commanders are going to be in the
conference championship game in back to back years, you'd call
(24:39):
me crazy, you'd block my number, you'd already kick me
off the show.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But since it happened, it is, it is, There is
a potential for that to be the case.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
All right, Benjamin Garcia, great stuff, love the show on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Keep up the good work. Thanks for the time, buddy,
Thanks for having me man.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
All right, coming up next we will wrap up the show.
Hosts And Creators
Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.