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Jason McIntyre fills in for Colin detailing the latest in the LeBron James saga as his relationship with the Lakers continues to deteriorate following the trade for Luka Doncic. He reacts to Jalen Hurts landing 9th on the list of quarterbacks ranked by NFL executives, coaches and scouts and why it’s ridiculous for the reigning Super Bowl MVP to be that low. He also talks to Chris Broussard from First Things First about Cooper Flagg dropping 31 in his final summer league game and if he’s clearly the NBA’s next superstar.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello and welcome.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
It is a beautiful Monday morning from Los Angeles, and
I'm not Colin Coward.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I'm Jason McIntyre in for Colin.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
He was supposed to be back today, but I don't know.
You know, something's going on with cowhert No, just kidding.
He had some travel issues. I'm sure he will tell
you all about it tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Nobody loves an airport like Colin Coward. He'll have many
stories when he is back. But you got me for
one more day.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
And honestly, I think Cowhard blew off today because my
Cooper flag take last week was so good and it
was reinforced over the weekend, but they had to have
me back to talk.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
About it and n Fortunately, we got a great show today, folks.
I'm flying so low.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yes, that's it. It's just me you got me for
three hours. I mean, come on, you know I love
to talk. I can handle this, no big deal. And
we have some great guests coming up. My main man,
Chris Broussard coming on in the final hour. We used
to do his podcast together and I would just beat
him up on NBA topics because I'm very intelligent when
it comes to basketball and football. And Broussard's gonna join
us in the final hour, got Jeff Schwartz stopping by

(01:25):
Matt Hasselback. It's gonna be a great show, and we're
gonna do a lot of NFL with obviously camps opening
up for rookies this week. We do want to start
with the NBA because one thing happened over the weekend,
which we'll get to momentarily. But you guys remember last
month where all the reporters who cover the NBA kept saying,
strap in, there's a crazy NBA summer ahead. You never

(01:48):
know what's gonna happen. Stars could be on the move.
There was so much hype. It reminded me as a
young kid. There was this Kevin Costner movie coming out
in the nineties called water World, and it was the
most expensive film ever this thing was hyped to no end.
It comes out and it was an absolute flop, just
a bomb. It did okay box office numbers, but it

(02:09):
was a basically considered a disaster. And that's NBA free agency.
Folks were two weeks in and there's one story, and
that's Lebron James, who is shockingly very hurt.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
And to quote Ron Burgundy, he's offended and he's hurt.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
And Lebron was an NBA Summer League over the weekend
to check out his son, Ronnie James. As you could expect,
an NBA reporter went up to him and said, hey, Lebron,
would you care to talk about the upcoming Lakers season.
Lebron said, I got nothing to talk about and he
shut it down.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Lebron the man.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Of breadcrumbs on social media, giving the media nothing. Well,
you know, you could look at it this way, and
what's been a disastrous NBA free agency for the league.
I mean, listen, when Miles Turner is your big move
and a damn thing happened, Lebron has been carrying us.
He's giving us content for weeks because he's offended and
hurt that the Lakers did not offer him a new deal.

(03:12):
So Lebron decided, I'm gonna go ahead and opped in
and I'm gonna get my fifty.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Two million dollars.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
And then for two weeks he is really not happy
that the Lakers are catering to Luca and they're not
involving Lebron in future plans, and that obviously has Lebron upset.
Now it's been a minute since we've talked to Jovon Buha,
who was on the show last week, to tell us

(03:37):
just why Lebron's starting to get upset at the franchise.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
This is the first time you could say in Lebron's
career he hasn't been the sole focus or the primary
focus of his franchise that he's been on. Like even
with Ad, it was all like it was always Lebron
trying to pass the baton to Ad.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Luca just came in and.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Got the baton right, Like I get it. He's a
guy who's about to.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Enter his prime, has already led a team to the finals.
But Lebron's just I think the big thing is like
he sees the finish line, whether it's another year, two years,
and he wants to win that fifth ring, and it
doesn't feel like the Lakers are going all in on
this year's roster.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
He's kind of sort of right, Jovan of course here
on the show last week.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
But let's just start with some of the facts. Okay,
here are the facts.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Lebron showed up to the Lakers and they were in
the wilderness lost. You can attribute that if you want
to the end of the Kobe era. That's fine, But
bottom line is they had the worst five year run
in franchise history.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Lebron saved the Lakers period.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
That's a fact. That's an inarguable fact. Gets them to
be contenders, gets it, Anthony Davis. They win a championship
in twenty twenty. Okay, they get back to the conference finals.
People forget that against Denver, and then Lebron gets to
hand pick his coach. Give me my guy, JJ Reriddick
for my podcast. Okay, Lebron, check, can you draft my son?

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Check Lebron.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
The Lakers cater to Lebron because Lebron saved them.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
All understandable and it makes total sense.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Where things go awry was when Luka Doncic all of
a sudden hits the market out of nowhere and the
MAVs traded to the Lakers, and then the calculus change,
the Lakers move away from Lebron and to Luca. But
in an absence of actual information here in the last
two weeks, it's all breadcrumbs from Lebron on social media. Look,
he's wearing a hat that says welcome home while he's

(05:22):
playing golf in Ohio.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
He wants to be a Calv again.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
When there's an absence of information, come the conspiracy theories,
come the ideas, and everybody's floating stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
And now over the weekend we.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
See four teams are monitoring the Lebron situation.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Who are they?

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Well, on confirmed reports from various reporters, it's the Dallas Mavericks.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Come on, give me a break. That's zero shot of
the MAVs happening.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
The La Clippers, Yeah, that's what Lebron wants to do,
go across town.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
To the paper clips to play with Harden and Kawhi.
That's comical.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
The Cleveland Cavalier, now that was interesting, but you listen
to any salary cap guy in the NBA and there's
no chance of it happening. The Calves are already deep
into the second Apron and I don't want to bore
you with luxury tax and all these repeater tacks. The
Calves could not make Lebron happen. It's waterline impossible, not
Tom Cruise mission impossible.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
There's a nod to Cowherd, but just it can't happen.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
And then the last one is the Golden State Warriors,
which could only happen if it was Jimmy Butler for Lebron,
And why are the Lakers doing that? So again, I
understand Lebron's pouting. He has a right to be a
little ticked off, totally understandable. But at the same time
he's got to be self aware and be like, oh,
I'm forty, Luca is you know, in his prime mid twenties.

(06:44):
Of course they want to build around him Lebron. I listen,
you guys don't have a Lebron guy.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
And I had a fun stat somebody hit with I
totally forgot. Over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Lebron has been the MVP of the Finals on three
different teams. That's an unbelievable accomplished look in American sports,
it's difficult to find guys who have been the championship
game or series MVP for two teams. Lebron's learned for three.
That's another reason why he's the goat. Okay, anywhere he goes,

(07:15):
he wins, and I totally get that, and I get
what he's done, but it's about Luca now, and I
think Lebron's just got to understand that because sadly, Bron,
you're not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
I want to pivot to the NFL because listen, as
I said at the outset of the show, mid July
means rookies show up in trading camps right and then
the week after come the veterans. And in that little
in between, we got two or three days here, we
get like the MLB All Star Break, and we get
a bunch of lists in the NFL. So ESPN had

(07:48):
an interesting list of the top ten quarterbacks heading into
twenty twenty five, and just so.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I get it accurate.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Here, it's according to executives, coaches, and scouts, and you
see it here on the screen if you're watching on
FS one radio audience, I'm gonna tease you for a
little bit, but these are the top ten quarterbacks according
to executives who are executives around the league.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Guys, just give that a thought for a second.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Coaches and scouts, now, the top four are obvious every year,
right in whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Order you want.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Burrow, Mahomes, Lamar Josh Allen. Okay, executives love Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
That guy's amazing.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
After that, it gets difficult. Five through ten is a
big question mark. And I'm pretty certain if and we
will never get this. But if we got the ages
of the executive coaches and scouts, I think we could
draw a line between what we're seeing here on the
screen and what the actual rankings are. I don't have

(08:47):
any distribute moves to the top four and nobody should.
The order we can quibble over, but the reality is
five through ten is extremely difficult, and I cannot believe
that Jalen hurt was once again utterly disrespected by executive
coaches and scouts. Jalen Hurts has been to two Super Bowls.

(09:08):
He went toe to toe with Mahomes in one of
them and was nearly the MVP, but they lost. Then
he smashed Mahomes this past February in the Super Bowl
and with the MVP, and Jalen Hurts is only ninth,
the ninth best quarterback in the NFL Well, there is
another interesting thing that came up in the meeting this morning,
and that was, if you look at that list of

(09:28):
the top ten guys, Jalen Hurts is the only non
first round quarterback. First impressions matter. Oh, were you a
first round pick? Well, I'm going to give you the
benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Over and over and over again.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I keep hearing that, Oh, well, Jalen Hurts has a
stacked deck? Jay, does he really? I was unaware of that.
I was unaware that he had a different offensive coordinator
every season he's been in the NFL for all this.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Jared Goflaw and Jared Gosle on the list.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
He's good.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
He would make my top twelve.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Jared Goff came into the league, got Jeff Fisher, was
totally terrible, and then gets gifted Sean mcvagh one of
the sharpest offensive minds of this generation. And then he
goes to Benn Johnson, one of the most covid offensive
coordinators in the last ten years.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
And Jared Goff is better than Jalen Hurts. Oh, Jared
Goff was a number one overall pick. That's right. First
impressions matter.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Now, we did have a spirited chat because I'm very
bullish on Hurts.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I have him unequivocally number five.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
These executive coaches and scouts have Jayden Daniels at five,
and that's fine. Jaden Daniels was amazing last year. Let's
see the numbers on Jalen Hurts from the pocket, because
this is the big knock on Jalen Hurts. He doesn't
win from the pocket. Oh really, Well, I have actual
data that flies in the face of the idea that Hurts.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Doesn't win from the pocket.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
He was second in completion percentage and it's not a
checkdown Charley situation because as you see here, he was
third in yards per attempt and a half. He was
fifth in passer rating fourteen touchdowns from the pocket. We say, Jay, okay,
he had one good year. Well, I'll remind you Jayden
Daniels had one good year. It was the greatest rookie
year ever. But oh, we've got three years of data

(11:14):
from Jalen Hurts in the pocket. Guys, wouldn't you know it?
He's been hella consistent, seventy two percent, seventy one, seventy
four passer rating, really really good yards per attempt, no
checkdown now twenty three was a little bit of a
pullback another offensive coordinator. That one didn't work out. That
was Remember they elevated a quarterback coach. I don't even

(11:34):
know if that guy's still in the league. And Jalen
Hurts now was winning from the pocket for three straight years. Folks,
If you don't have him five, how on earth can
you have guys like Jared Goff ahead of him. Well,
here's the idea, because the idea of what a quarterback
is has changed dramatically over the last thirty or forty years.

(11:56):
These executives, Remember, these are the same executives who wanted
Lamar Jackson to pivot from quarterback to wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, that's a thing. That was a real thing. Look
it up.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Okay, these executives had an idea of what a quarterback
was for thirty or forty years.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I need me a six' to.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Three statuesque pocket. Passer that's what they. Wanted they wanted
The Jeff georges of the. World they Wanted Drew bledsoe,
guys guys who were quarterbacks who are. Fantastic but somewhere
along the, line youth football coaches, REALIZED i don't have
a big pocket. Passer let me just put my best
athlete at, quarterback and.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
He's going to run around and make.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Plays he could win from the, pocket but he could
also win with his legs on third. Down and that
became then a thing from not just youth football to college,
football and then it kind of sorted to translate into
the pros with guys Like Mike vick And Cam, newton
who were essentially the first iteration of running.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Quarterbacks Steve young was.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
MOBILE i wouldn't call him a, runner great running, quarterback
but more.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Mobile he won from the. Pocket, First vic.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
And Cam newton were kind of inconsistent from the. Pocket
but now the next generation of Guys Jaden, Daniels Jalen,
hurts these are, Quarterbacks, litsten let's be, Real Lamar, jackson
these are.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Quarterbacks Josh, allen who was a.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Runner remember he was like barely sixty percent completion from
the pocket in. College he's now turned into he could
be to his legs and his. Arm so the idea
of a quarterback has totally, changed AND i think a
lot of these evaluators just don't get. It, YES i
Love Matthew, Stafford he's. Awesome if it's third and, seven

(13:36):
he's not a threat to scramble for that first. Down
and just the looks of quarterbacks now is just changing
things around the. League and wouldn't she know, It Jalen
hurts is right there at the forefront With Lamar.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Jackson he just has the postseason.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Success so, Again i'm, not you, know totally disagreeing with
these executive s coaches and, couches coaches and, scouts but
the reality is they don't even have Brock perty on this.
List he didn't make the top. Ten so as you can,
Expect i'll do my top ten later in the. Show
we're going to expand it because remember last week we

(14:11):
were drinking six packs here on the. Show today we're
expanding it from a sixer to a twelve. Pack so,
yeah a lot of these pocket guys still make, It
BUT i lean toward the athlete who's going to get
me the scramble on third and, seven who's multi. Dimensional
by the, Way Burrow, Mahons Alan lamar ALL monthi dimensional
quarterbacks can beat you from the pocket and. Scrambling all,

(14:34):
right we do really have a phenomenal show lined. UP
i know you're excited about three hours of j mac.
Colin coward may call me during the. Show he did
text me right before the show with a with a airport.
UPDATE i won't bore you with, that but it's going
to be a great one. Today and coming up next
here On The, Herd i'll tell you why The mads
shut Down Cooper flag after a thirty one point explosion

(14:57):
In game.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
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Speaker 2 (15:49):
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Speaker 3 (15:49):
YESTERDAY i have a good nickname for. Her it's not
a Slight, okay she's. Struggling, listen we.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Can be honest with you. Everybody, OKAY i have a.
Nickname everybody in the morning meeting.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
LAUGHED i feel thought it was a little. Harsh will
unveil that in about twenty five. MINUTES i want to
talk quickly About Cooper.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Flag.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Okay he had his debut in The Summer League thursday.
Night as the kids like to, say he was MID
i think he was five for twenty, one shooting a
lot of.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
QUESTIONS i don't, know no three point. Shot the guy's
pump the.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
BRAKES i want a passion Plea, Friday please just take
a deep.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Breath he's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Fine Cooper flag comes out in his second Game saturday
and absolutely. Cooks San antonio had thirty one, points completely.
Dominant oh, look he gets. It it clicked for the
eighteen year old in game, two just a flurry of.
Dunks he's, Awesome AND i Think coward says this sometimes

(16:46):
you kind of know it when you see it after
like five, minutes whether it's SPORTS, tv. WHATEVER i last
WEEK i started this new show On APPLE tv Called The.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
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familiar with. IT i Like Seth.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Rogen i'm a Huge Seth rogen. GUY i think all
of his movies and shows are. Hilarious SO i check it,
out and within the first twenty, Minutes i'm texting.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
People you've got to watch this.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Show it's a little industry, related but it is abrasive and,
dirty a lot of like inappropriate.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Jokes but that's in my.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Wheelhouse like you, know if this show were ever streaming,
only you would let the exploitive fly shout out To Cosmo.
Kramer but that, show like, INSTANTLY i know it was.
Great there's this show On Paramount. LIONESS i check that.
Out holy, cow it's.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Again within fifteen, minutes you're texting your buddies you got
to see this. Show if you don't Have, paramount get
the free trou blah blah. Blah Cooper flag is the
same way you could see. It last year At, duke
he was an eighteen year old. FRESHMAN i mean he's.
Seventeen at the very beginning of the, season he's, eighteen
and he's just Leading duke in every. Category every category

(17:54):
Says steele's blocked you name.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
IT i mean we've seen this. Before guys. One Ben
yama last year ruggled in his First Summer league.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
GAME i think he was like two for. Thirteen, oh
he can't. Shoot he's not physical. Enough Women yaba game two,
dominant shutting him. Down we don't need to see. Anymore
do you Remember Zion williamson first game Of Summer. LEAGUE
i had to look this. Up he only had eleven,
points but he had four. Dunks he's just dunking. Everything
zion was overpowering. Everybody well, NOW i don't, know he

(18:22):
doesn't really have a. Shot he's a little. Chubby zion
as a rookie average twenty. Two if you could only stay,
healthy we're looking at an all time great In. Zion
he can't stay, healthy and then he got sidetracked with some.
Stuff In New, Orleans Cooper flag showing none of the
signs of. That, okay thirty one points in game two
against The spurs just absolutely. Awesome here's What Cooper flag

(18:45):
said after his big game Against San.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
ANTONIO i think you know it's it's a new, environment new.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Setting you know they want to see me be.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Aggressive that type of.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Stuff so most time my best to just be aggressive
AND i serve myself early gets to the.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
LINE i THINK i did a lot better, today just
get to the line and fout and help many did
it come to the?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Boy AND i guess, so you, KNOW i got to the
line a little bit better.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Today a bunch of.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Freetos you.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
KNOW i know my mom probably wasn't.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Very happy That.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Cooper flag shout out to his.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Mom, now, Listen coward likes to say That Cooper flag
could be a more Aggressive Jason, tatum AND i didn't
love that initially BECAUSE i think he's a much better
defender Than. Tatum but that Watching Cooper Flag cook it
was not a bad comparison The jason the Aggressive Jason.

(19:34):
Tatum i'll stick with My Kevin garnett for. Now Cooper
flag is more advanced THAN kg offensively was at.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Eighteen that's.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Undeniable you can't argue with. That, OBVIOUSLY kg won AN
mvp and a. CHAMPIONSHIP i Think Cooper flag can do.
BOTH i will say now im out here IN. LA
i know this guy's royalty In Los. ANGELES i was
a huge fan watching. Him but there's a guy Named Baron,
davis awesome point, guard legendary. Player you're out, here just

(20:01):
spectacular AT. Ucla he's one of the first to push.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
This. Well you, Know Cooper.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Flagg kind of reminds me of Andre. KIROLINKO i was
a little embarrassed For baron when he said that the
idea is Andre kerlinko did everything. Great he was spectacular at,
nothing but he was. AWESOME i don't believe he ever
made An All star. Game, baron you got to take

(20:26):
that take, back, like just. Apologize you screwed. Up Andre
kierlinko was not getting shut down two games in The
Summer league because he went off for thirty, one, Okay
and ALL i kept hearing about this burst Guy i'm
facing on his name At, arizona who they, drafted who
was a really good, defender and he did well Against
Cooper flag on like an early, possession and everybody posted

(20:48):
on Their, instagram look at this guy shutting Down Cooper.
Flag you, Know Cooper flagg ended up going going postal
against this guy and everyone. Else So i'm, Sorry Boom,
dizzle but the andre Kirol InKo kompa is. Terrible Cooper
flag is going to be a superstar in THE. Nba
this is going to, happen probably sooner than. Later get

(21:09):
with the, program, Everyone all, right let's go To Jeff.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
SCHWARTZ nfl analyst here At. Fox he has a. Podcast
he's wearing a Nice duke blue.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Shirt did you did you play eighteen this?

Speaker 6 (21:22):
Morning?

Speaker 5 (21:22):
JEFF i did. NOT i was doing something. Else had
to wear a Nice polo SHIRTS i just wore for
you as. Well it's hoping to get some some summer
league wagers from you, today BUT i guess to do
that another.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Time, Yeah i'm Doing i'm holding off on the summer league.
GAMBLING i. KNOW i see you on Social are you
doing W nba? Betting?

Speaker 5 (21:41):
Yeah mostly. PROPS i, mean, Look Cavin clark assists every.
GAME i mean she gets a lot of. Assists she
might not be shooting bar right, now but she's passing
the ball around her teammates and sometimes they don't make the, Layups,
jason but they she gets a lot of. Assists SO
i will. ROCK i JUST i mostly do zigzag. Stuff
right where a good player has a bad, game the

(22:01):
next game they typically played. Better it's not rocket. SCIENCE
i tend to make those type of.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Wagers, yeah it is weird just to go.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Well i'll talk About clark a little more, later But
i'm curious your. Thoughts so she struggled before the, injury
she comes back from the, injury she's still kind of.
Struggling but The fever are winning, now aside from. GAMBLING
i think The fever are still going to be live
in the playoffs with a Healthy clerk.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
To maybe maybe contend for the.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
CHAMPIONSHIP i know their record doesn't show, it but you've
watched a lot OF.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
WNBA i, mean do you think they are contenders With?

Speaker 5 (22:31):
CLARK i think they have to be because their offense
is sort of figuring out. Right it takes some. Time
they have a lot of new, pieces right That howard's, new,
Right tunningham's. New clark's been in out of the, lineup
but they're trying to figure things, out all, right mcdald's
been in the. Lineup, now we're trying to figure things.
Out As clark gets, healthier i'd imagine they start playing better.
Offensively she will start playing better offensively as. Well but

(22:51):
she obviously does a lot for the. Game assists shod five,
steals yess as she opens us up when they are.
On they score a ton of, points and defensively there's
so some question. MARKS i feel like they did big
The links already without. Her they beat The liberty With Kaylin.
Clark they Played LIBERTY i think again this. Weekend so they're.
Alive remember last, year the second half of the season
after The olympic, break they were much. BETTER i feel
like they're starting to hit their stride a little bit

(23:12):
now as we get to the. BREAK i would expect
them to play well on the.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Postseason, WOW i got to give you a shout.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Out Jeff clark is Dropping Indiana fever bench players and
he's talking about the upcoming schedule of my.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Impressive all, right let's go to THE.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
NFL i do want to ask you about college later or,
something BUT i don't.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Know, listen it's Mid. July people are putting out.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
LISTS i see this list of the top ten quarterbacks
in the league from executive scouts and. Coaches jeff The
Jalen hurts disrespect THE mvp of The Super, bowl checking
in ninth, Below Jared, Goff Justin. HERBERT i Love Justin.
Herbert he doesn't have a playoff win. Yet Matt stafford
is kind of cement shoes in the. Pocket shout Out.

(23:54):
Stafford Jayden daniels one. Year why do you think people
are just out on her? Too by the, way is
the only second round pick of these top.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Nine i'm not sure they're out on. HIM i think
they don't look at one game as a reason why
to rank a player in a certain. Spot, right this
is the best quarterback for an entire, season or really
where they are in their. Careers to, me one through
six is not really debatable with them And Hurts and,
look Jay daniels had one good, season we get, that
but go watch him play as a passer of the.

(24:23):
Football he's a better passer of football Than Jalen. HURTS
i think there's no question about that. Now of, course
he didn't do it in The Super bowl Like hurts,
ass which did. Happen he played, Great actually in Both Super.
Bowls hurts has played really well and that should count for.
SOMETHING i do think that does count For Justin, herbert
who has not played well on the, Postseason hurts has
been better than. HIM i would, put you, know Probably

(24:45):
hurts at. Seven stafford's still really. Good LIKE i think
we forget that because he doesn't move as well as
other quarterbacks. Do and he plays IN la and pro
football is not as important. There but they were very
close to winning that game in the snow In. PHILLY
a couple of turn doom them. THERE i Think hurts
is properly. RANKED i think if you were drafting quarterbacks
this is about where you draft, them you would Have.

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HURTS i think ahead Of stafford because of age. There
but to, me one, game, right he played great in that.
Game not say anyway from him doesn't really. CHANGE i
think where he needs to be ranked according to the top.
Six now again he should be a head of. Golf
that team is really still to me And. HERBERT i
love Justin, herbert but he has not shown the ability
in those bigger games in the postseason to play as
well As. HURTS i think to, me one through six

(25:27):
is where they should. Be you might, argue, okay should
lamar b three should burrow before sure one or two
feel very solid of where they, Are SO i have
no problem with one through. SIX i think seven should Be. Hurts.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Okay so that this is a good talking point FOR
nfl fans because when you say like there's no, debate
Like Jaden daniels is a better thrower of the.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
FOOTBALL i think that was the phrase you, used and
that's a phrase in a lot of these. Articles how
do you quantify? That BECAUSE i, mean if you're just
looking at how the ball comes off their, hand you,
know over five hundred, attempts, LIKE i guess you could
break it down that.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Way do you do yards for?

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Attempt which is you, know saying that someone's a check
down or deep down the? Field is it completion percentage
that could be skewed toward what the offense is?

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Doing quarterback? Rating, like how do you judge thrower of the?

Speaker 6 (26:14):
Football?

Speaker 5 (26:14):
YEAH i judge the really tough. THROWS i think a
lot of guys can make the easy, throw, right it's
the tough those, right the throws on the, move those
on third down, throws the pressure in your, face throws
in big. MOMENTS i, mean go look at the Throws
Daniel may throughout the season and you'll SEE i think
in more opportunities the offense was put on his shoulders
and he made those. Throws now it hurts, offense so

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it hurts. DEFENSE J. Man he doesn't have to do as,
much right because they run the football so. Well they
close out games with the offensive line in the run
game and often with his. Legs BUT i Think daniels
throws the ball better Than hurts in bigger, moments in
sort of the third down, situation sort of these big tough.
Throws to, me It's daniel's ahead of, them which to
me is still number one quarterback. PLAY i, look mobility is,

(26:58):
great being able to run the football, great it's good
for third down in the red, zone those scrimbling. Moments
but to, me the WAY i rate quarterbacks is what
you do in the. Pocket. First that's the hardest part
of the, job Right it's third and. Eight how do
you re act in the? Pocket can you make those
big time? THROWS i Think daniels is a little bit
more of that Than hurts.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Does, interesting there's a Lot that's one of the things with.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Quarterbacks there's a lot like we got to look up
tight window throws and who's third down? Completion but there's
so much that goes into. It but let me drill
down On stafford for a. Second you, know the modern,
quarterback if you look at your everybody's top four Is,
burrow who can, scramble run, Awesome Patrick mahomes running despite
The dad Bod lamar needs no. Introduction Josh allen's running

(27:40):
over defensive. Backs stafford doesn't add that. Element but he
was a number one overall. Pick he has one of
like the top five arms in the. League he's making
no look throws in The Super. Bowl, like how are
we supposed to Compare stafford To? Hurts because IF i, Said,
jeff this, season who would you rather Have stafford Or?
Hurts wouldn't you Take? Hurts because he gives you such

(28:01):
a next dimension with the running.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
If it was like if it was a fourth quarter to,
win to win a, game and of, course, look let's
just say it's a normal. Offense you don't get The
eagles offensive, Line you'll get the run game just like
an AVERAGE nfl offense right fourth quarter of a? Game
do you Want? Stafford you want her throwing the? Football
who would you want throw in the? Football so?

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Well for the Full it's similar to The Jordan lebron,
Discussion LIKE i would Take lebron for a full, game
for the full, season but for the fourth.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Quarter, Yes stafford's Clutch Michael jordan's, Clutch AND.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
I think that matters when it comes to some of these. Gms,
right like, again most of these quarterbacks right one through,
seven one through ten even can do the simple. Things,
well they wouldn't be a top ten quarterback if they
couldn't make the simple. Throws so to, ME i elevate
in cert. Situations, right how would you do in this?
Situation how do you do in this? SITUATION i Think
Matt stafford IF i ask him again for the SITUATION

(28:55):
i put and that's again WHERE i think you're judging
these quarterbacks and very very like nuanced. Situation to, Me
i'd Have stafford just ahead Of. HURTS i think it's
not that much ahead Of, hurts LIKE i think this
season through week eight It hurts might be better Than.
Stafford i'm moving up, There but for me right, now
the situation still. MATTERS i Think stafford is better in that. Spot,
again it's not a big difference between one and. Six to,

(29:16):
Me hurts him showing me in that, conversation but to,
me he's just.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Seven one, guy, well a couple guys down on the.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
List number One Dak, prescott the highest paid quarterback in THE,
nfl WHO i believe two years ago was the runner
up FOR, mvp is now not even top, Ten AND
i think they did like a just missed and it WAS.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Cj stroud And Jordan. Love No Dak prescott in the top.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Twelve i'm curious your thoughts On dak because again two
years ago he was runner up TO.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
Mvp, well he.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
Didn't play much last, year, RIGHT i, MEAN i think
that plays a role in. It when you don't play as,
much you're not in that. Discussion, LOOK i think, too,
like at, best what Is Dak prescott ten on a?
List nine on a? List and so you don't, play
you're gonna drop?

Speaker 7 (29:59):
Down?

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Now can you make that back up this? Season absolutely
with more, Playtime but again you look at sort of
the THINGS i look at in those. Moments he didn't
play last, year so you can't give him credit for those.
THINGS i think he's about where he should. Be but
AGAIN i think at best he's about ten in THE.
Nfl so him not playing this season last, season not
MANY i, think only games last, season it's about where

(30:20):
he can. Be can he can he get back up
on the top? Ten? Absolutely, look you can certainly see
a list like this where golf pulls back in a given.
Year Baker MAYFIELD i think is what he is right.
Now but he could pull back a little bit and
then just that kind of popping. IT i Think dak
has known better than about nine to ten in the
best season he can have in THE.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Nfl, Interesting so, AGAIN i like this guy more than
the market.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Does But Brock, perdy he didn't have a great, year
but the whole team was banged.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Up it felt like a transition.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Year, Again i'm not judging a guy on one, year
which is WHY i have a problem With daniels at.
Five but if you Take perdy's, career he's been freaking.
Good how does he not crack the top? Ten, now,
again salary does not factor in. Here we're not Saying
dak makes you, know sixty mili what's his value compared To.
Daniels that's, obvious but salary removed just quarterback. Play are

(31:10):
you a pretty believer or?

Speaker 5 (31:11):
NO i do think that draft slot bias matters, here,
right because he's a seventh round. PICKED i was having
a throat, Pick so Maybe i'm defending him a little bit.
Here are you telling me that Like Rock purty couldn't
Be Jared goff with The lions? Offense he totally, can't,
Right but he gets the benefit of playing with a
great offensive Lining golf does and all the. Weapons last,

(31:33):
year everyone was hurt for The. Niners the offensive line was,
hurt was beat, up the offensives not as good As detroit,
is and he still did the best he could give
him a. Situation and SO i think he probably in
a given, year with everyone back, healthy is going to
be better than where he's ranked right. Now DO i
think he has the elite traits of the top six
guys or seven, guys, know so he's probably never going

(31:53):
to be that. High JAM i think traits, matter, right
the eye test matters in these. Rankings but put it all,
together to, me you could have the same Season golf
has In detroit if you just insert Brock perty into that.
Lineup totally.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Agree let me ask About Baker, mayfield who's an interesting
quarterback because he flopped badly in his first few, years,
right but he was number one Overall bick everybody loved,
him and then he fell out of favor and now
a couple good years In tampa And Baker mayfield number
ten on the.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
List, now it's a weird. Thing it seems like.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
These top picks they get multiple bites at the. Apple
if you brought. Berty you have one year By Dak,
prescott one bad year. Bye But Baker, mayfield hey, man
he was a number one. Pick he's got the, traits
as you, said and he checks in at ten on
the list your.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
Thoughts, Yeah, LOOK i think we love The baker. Story
and he played well last year, though. Jayback he completed
nearly seventy two percent pass had forty five hundred yards last,
season like a legitimately great season passing the, football and
that you know he has weapons around, him obviously the
offensive line there is good but little injury right now with,
worfs and he's just played. Well he's a good example

(33:01):
of two things as you mentioned. Right one is that
draft slot BIAS i mentioned, Right if you're the first book,
overall you get more chances than anyone. Else and he's
had those. Chances now when he's had the, chances, though
he's cashed in right That Rams thursday and football game
he cashed, in. Right he cashed in in this, situation
get an opportunity In. Tampa that's certainly all part of.
It but he's played well in the. Situation situation, matters,

(33:24):
right it. Matters does the offense fits? You javin our offensive.
Line do you have wide receivers and then do you
take advantage of the. Situation SO i Get baker credit
for battling through part of his career that wasn't. Great
And i've been a skeptic of him at times as.
WELL i think he Realized my thing about him, is,
look THE nfl does a great, job will humble. You.
Right it's a great lead for. That AND i think

(33:44):
he got a little bit too. Big he was doing
those commercials when it wasn't time to do. Commercials yet
he was feeling himself a little bit too, much and
THE nfl humbled. Him he humbled, himself and he's talked
about that as maturing as a player as a, person
and he's sort of hitting his stride. Now and So
i'm happy For. Baker this is about. RIGHT i max
you get For Baker mayfield is about ten and again
in a given, year maybe It's love ten Or dac

(34:06):
ten somewhere around. There BUT i THINK gms appreciates how
well he's played given the situation he's in. Now in his,
TOUGHNESS i think you see him truck guys for first
downs and. Whatnot people remember those type of.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Plays, yeah, Listen baker's been tremendous the last two. Years
let me, Ask we hear a lot about Well Jalen
hurts as a stacked deck And Jared goff Had Ben.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Johnson let's not Forget.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Baker mayfield has had arguably the best wide receiver duo
in the league for the last two, Years evans And.
Godwin evans is A hall Of, Fame locke And godwin is.
ELITE i, MEAN i don't know if they're the best
wide receiver. Duo they're not better Than higgins And, chase
but they're certainly.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Top four at.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Worst it's, like, hey you, KNOW i don't even remember
who the quarterback was Before, baker But i'm fairly certain.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
They got to the.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Playoffs you, know with that with that duo at wide, receiver,
like is he getting more more of a, leash, say
than Than Kyler?

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Murray, well look, ABSOLUTELY i think you do have to
wait how you judge a quarterback based on what they
have around. Him but, again the production is, there, RIGHT i,
mean forty five hundred yards is four five hundred, yards
whether you have great guys or not great. GUYS i
mean it's, there like so to, me the standard is, this, Right,
like you have a good, roster do you play? Good
and the answers, yes, right he's played good to good.

(35:17):
Roster if you have a good roster play, poorly that's a.
Knocklock you, know of, course those guys that have poor
rosters to elevate those rosters around. Them so to, Me
baker's doing what he has to do. Right he's playing
well with the pieces around him that are. Good if
he DID j, mcaver it'd be a.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Problem.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Correct SO i think that's a. Point AND i think,
Too baker feels like a player maybe feel is not
the right word to use, here that does elevate people
around him right where he's not just along for the.
Ride he makes plays that make everyone. Better and then
that's a part of the evaluation, here, right do you
make everyone better around? YOU i Think baker is one
of those guys that WHEN i watch him, play everyone

(35:53):
around him is better because of the play that he's providing.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Them, yeah all, right great, Stuff Jeff. Swurtz let me
quickly get one more short one In we got a.
Minute but college football a lot of talk about this
salary cap as a guy who just missed the nil.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Era, jeff let me.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Just, quickly is this kind of, silly this union? Talk
and it's just it's been an interesting summer to say the.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Least but union will never. Happen as someone who's part
of THE, nflpa it's never too many players to make
a college. Union. Ye to, ME i would just let
them make whatever they need to, make like it's it's fair,
market free. Market just these guys are making. Money let
them make. Money it has even out the playing field
over all the. Sports look at the parody we have
in a given, year all over the sports now because

(36:36):
teams are able to pay guys and keep guys as
well and transferport all. Whatnot so to, me it's. Fine
the way it is is needs some, refining, absolutely the
need some some maybe some more rules and some more
eyeballs to. It, yes but sold cap is never. Happening
it's it's just it's just too many moving. Parts it
will never.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Happen, Jason all, right good, Stuff Jeff. Schwartz i'm in full. Agreement.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Obviously catch him on The Bare bets Podcast FOX Nfl.
Analysts have a great, Summer, jeff thank, you take care all,
right coming up.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Next, LISTEN i tease The Caitlin clark.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Nickname some people are gonna, laugh Some clark fans are
gonna be.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Outraged where we'll talk about that next here on The.

Speaker 7 (37:13):
Hurd be sure to catch live editions of The herd
weekdays and Neonon eastern not A.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Empacific all right back here on The. Herd oh, boy
this is this next.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Guest i've known this, GUY i don't, know probably SINCE
i got here TO fs one like nine years, ago
and we would run into each other and he was
a little taken aback by some of my.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
TAKES i had to take him to, school you.

Speaker 9 (37:33):
Know.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Uh and then the old dog taught me some new.
Tricks so let's. Begin Chris. Bussard first things, first the,
man you.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
Didn't tell the.

Speaker 9 (37:41):
Story you didn't tell the story about how when you
were a cub reporter In New. York, YES i was
the only vet that was kind to, you that is.
All everybody else was blowing you, off AND i was
kind to.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
You SO i was this young guy in a newspaper
In jersey AND i was crushing, it AND i had
a couple job, offers so they were, like, oh we gotta.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
THROW i can tire a bone to keep him.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
In SO i went to A usa basketball thing In
Madison Square garden AND i walk in wide.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Eyed i'm trying to talk to. People, hey where DO
i plug in my?

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Computer and these guys are brushing me, off And bruceard's, like,
hey young, fella takes.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Me under his.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Wing, Listen Bruce ard is a great. GUY i like
how you were in A jets tie your shows In New.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
York how Much jet's gonna do this? Season, brew what
are we looking at ten and? Seven?

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Look Justin?

Speaker 9 (38:25):
Field, No i'm not going ten and. Seven i'm excited
About Aaron. Glenn i'm somewhat excited to See Justin. FIELDS
i think they will cater the offense to. Him they
won't try to fit him into a square peg into a,
circle SO i think he'll be.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
Okay But i'm not going ten and. Seven they're not
making the, playoffs all?

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Right what big talking point so far today is this
quarterback list that came. Out i'm sure you guys are
gonna chop it up on first things first, next But,
BREW i gotta ask.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
YOU i had some issues with the. LIST i did my.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
OWN i Had Patrick mahomes coming in at, four coming
off his worst season as a.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
PRO i had Brock perty in. THERE i Love Jalen hurts. It.
Five i'm just curious if.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
We could get my list on the screen and you
want to kind of poke holes in. IT i, mean
there's really not a lot you can. DO i know
you're good at, this but this is kind of at.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
Previous Patrick mahomes is number. One what are you talking?
About he is in a category by.

Speaker 9 (39:24):
Himself, OKAY i will give you if this season he
comes out and plays the mediocre by his standards type
of football he did last year and there they win
ten or eleven, games get bounced in the first or
second round of the. Playoffs, sure then you can move him.
Down but until further.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
Notice he is the.

Speaker 9 (39:46):
Best not much of a receiving corps at. All last,
year offensive line on the, blink and yet he still
goes fifteen.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
And one and gets his team to the Super. Bowl i'm.

Speaker 9 (39:58):
Sorry he is the. Best he'm the best Quarterback i've ever, seen.
Period he's not the goat. Yet he's got to do
more and win more championships to get To. Brady but come, on,
man dude is number. One he's in the category of his.
Own outside of, That i'm Putting lamar ahead Of Joe.
Burrow if your argument For Josh allen what he has

(40:20):
been better in the postseason Than, Lamar but right NOW
i would SAY i would Put lamar in.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
Two BUT i.

Speaker 9 (40:26):
Understand the playoff. ARGUMENT i think YOU i Like hurts
like you. Do but AND i get. It it's only one.
Year but right Now i'm going with jayde And daniels at.
FIVE a lot of People Jade, Daniels, yeah the poise he,
showed the clutch play that he.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
Showed he didn't have the greatest, weapons you, know outside
Of terry.

Speaker 9 (40:47):
McLaurin so he is a special, quarterback best rookie season
we've ever.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
Seen i'll put him at.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Five all, right let's.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Pivot to THE nba brew before he gets To. LEBRON
i know he's your, guy you Know lebron and his camp.
FOREVER i want to start With Cooper. Flag there's a
lot of. DOUBTERS i heard some people, say, hey he
could he could be Aimed Andre kirolinko in the. PROS
i was, like come, on, guys, Sorry Baron, davis that's not.
Happening they didn't shut Down Andre kirolinko after Two Summer league.

(41:13):
Games But Cooper flag is gonna be the. TRUTH i
said he could be A Kevin garnett type. Player obviously
not THE mvp right out of the, gate BUT i
love the, defense the, handle everything about his game just scream.
Superstar where are you On Cooper flag after Two Summer league?

Speaker 6 (41:28):
Games, WELL i think he'll be a better score Than. Garnet, like,
offensively he can do it.

Speaker 9 (41:33):
All he can shoot the, three he's got the mid range.
Shot he can post a little, bit AND i think
we'll post better as his career goes. On he, can you,
know lead the fast, break can obviously take it to
the hole and, dunk so he can DO i think
his offensive package is way better Than garnet's you know
when you you know you compare those. Two BUT i

(41:54):
think he can be a, Superstar like his ceiling is SUPERSTAR,
mvp can you, know and maybe winning it a time or.
Two i'm not saying he'll definitely be. There WHAT i
have said is he's definitely a. Star the question is
will he be a? Superstar AND i get that he
struggled in the first game in The Summer league where

(42:16):
he really. Struggled was just that his shot wasn't. Falling you,
know he did everything else, well he led the, break
he obviously had the big defensive play and the assist.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
While leading the break at the end of the game
to win.

Speaker 9 (42:28):
It and THEN i you know, WHAT i like J
Matt he knew he said it WAS i think his
worst game or one of his worst games of his. Life,
right what does he? DO i like the fact that
he clearly looked in the, mirror was upset with, himself
and then goes out the next night and scores half

(42:50):
of his team's points with thirty One like that shows a.
Dog and people have questioned, that like wonder does he
have that any will he take? Over does he let
the game come to him too? Much in that game?
Too in The Summer, league he took. Over AND i
like the way he responded to a disappointing game. One so,
YEAH i think he is the truth and great great

(43:14):
luck and fortune for The dallas.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Map yeah, yeah fortune favors the. BOLD i think something nonsense.
Said let me just ask. You this just came to
me listening to you gas up. Flag seems like we're
on the same. Page i'm gonna ask, You, chris if
you're building AN nba, team AND i, said next seven,
years you got him locked? Up are you Taking Cooper
flag OR?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
SGA?

Speaker 6 (43:34):
Sgs oh REMEMBER SGA sg stop? It, yeah we.

Speaker 9 (43:40):
Don't we don't know That Cooper flag will Ever and
as much AS i like you will ever be the
number one player and lead a team to a, championship
that's totally up in the. Air AND sga has done
it at the age of twenty, six, oh by the,
way doing it with the young the second youngest team

(44:02):
ever to win AN nba. Championship, no and here's the other,
thing J, MATT sga still has plenty of room to.
Grow his three point shot is nowhere near where it
will be over the next two, three four, years.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
So he can get even. Better.

Speaker 9 (44:20):
Wow and so there's no question it ain't Look flag
looks like it'll be a good. Defender BUT sja also plays, defense, like,
no no, QUESTION sga all.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Day, wow that's a. Surprise, HONESTLY i would take like
six or seven guys OVER. Sga, yama why do take OVER? Sga? Hell, Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
I'm not Putting Cooper flag In wimby's On winby's.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Tier are, you, well we'll see after a. Year i'm extremely.
BOTH i Asked Rick.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Buker over under one and a half MVPs For cooper
flag in his.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
CAREER i took the. Over, well here's, LOOK i said.

Speaker 9 (44:56):
It the ceiling For Cooper flag Is. Superstar the Ceiling
i'm not predicting, this but the ceiling For Victor winmbanyama is.
Goat that's the. Ceiling he can't be to? Go is
that what you're telling?

Speaker 6 (45:12):
You he can't be to?

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Go we're.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
How many guys are you saying could be the go?
Him who? Else right? Now are we looking at? That
would they?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Disagree BUT i do think given.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
What he's accomplished through his first six or seven, SEASONS
i Think Luka doncic could be in the. Goat his
numbers are going to be, there for.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
Sure defense isn't.

Speaker 9 (45:32):
There the defense is not, there but you know what
he's gonna, Look, Yeah, jordans they were great. Defenders Obviously Win.
Banyama so when you talk about, goat you, nitpick and
that would be a knit to pick On.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Luca, yeah, no the defense is not quite. There by the,
way let's talk About luca on The Lakers luca's getting
a little. Skinnier by the, way do you believe? This
luca's thin and He's are you believing this based on
pictures Seeing luca at at A jordan party and you,
Know greece or wherever he was over.

Speaker 6 (45:58):
He then, look he did look awfully. THIN i mean
it was. Noticeable but come, ON i don't, know he's
looked good in the you, know in the summers.

Speaker 9 (46:09):
Before, right we've looked at. Him oh, Wow luca's slimming.
Down BUT i will say, THIS i, mean obviously playing
With Lebron james may change your perspective for a.

Speaker 6 (46:19):
Positive. Right you look at the Way lebron. Works you
look at him.

Speaker 9 (46:23):
Doing what he's doing at forty years, old and you
MAYBE i would think a competitor would, say, Man i'm
gonna start doing some of that.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
Stuff so that could be good For.

Speaker 9 (46:33):
Luca and also he is entering that like you talked
about what he's done over the.

Speaker 6 (46:38):
First six years of his, career and he's been.

Speaker 9 (46:40):
PHENOMENAL i Love, luca but doesn't yet have AN mvp
and obviously doesn't have a, championship and so he is
now at that stage jamac where until he wins a,
ring there is going to be a little bit.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
Of criticism of.

Speaker 9 (46:58):
Him like people will give him, love don't get me,
wrong but it'll be like, okay when you're gonna.

Speaker 6 (47:02):
Win and they've all faced.

Speaker 9 (47:03):
It, Jordan, lebron everyone who has taken several years to
win as probably the best, player one of the best
players in the, league get starts to get that, criticism
and that.

Speaker 6 (47:15):
Can spark you to work. Harder and SO i think
this could be good For.

Speaker 9 (47:20):
Luke he's getting a little bit of criticism and so
NOW i think that can spark him to.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
Work harder on, defense work harder on his, body and
come back as an even better. Player.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah i'm trying to look it, Up, breu but it
looks Like lebron And jordan both won their first title
at twenty. Seven is that accurate right around? There So
luca's like right in line with. That it's not a
big it's not a, race just you can get the first,
title you, know it's a. Marathon and Watching luca work,
AGAIN i know people don't like WHEN i hear Putting
luca on the, goat but he makes everyone around him

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better the Way magic, did the Way lebron did the
Way jokic does differ From.

Speaker 9 (47:56):
Magic here's why certain players he does make, better and
say With, lebron they make certain players. Better but because
this When lebron was in his, prime because they are
so ball, dominant it is tough to fit pieces around them.
Right you have to fit the right pieces Around Like
magic was. Different magic was such such a great playmaker

(48:19):
that everyone on the team could be the best version of.
Themselves you haven't seen that With lebron through his career
Or luca through his. Career and that's the. Different that's
just the ball dominant. Era some of these guys are
just too ball. Dominant But luca is phenomenal, Obviously and
So i'm just pointing that.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Out ball, dominant like the free throw merchant. Ga, anyways
let's quickly. Go So i'm just some heat On friday
For DeAndre. Ayton, listen, statistically just, statistically first seven years
averaging fifteen and ten and shooting fifty.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Percent in a.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Class, listen that's pretty good for, centers especially in this
era where it's not really they're not.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Getting the ball as.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Much SO i think eight is a steal at eight
million dollars when you Consider Rudy gobert's at like thirty five,
MIL i would take eight and at Eight mili over.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Him, however It's DeAndre.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Ayton he he was a malcontent In, portland he was
kind of lazy In.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Phoenix do you think he could turn it around playing
With luca And?

Speaker 9 (49:17):
Lebron, Yeah i'm with you on. That, NOW i don't
know how far you. Went how you were talking about
a class you put him? In what class did you
actually put him?

Speaker 3 (49:25):
In so the guys who are, fifteen ten and fifty
percent shooting our centers Like jannis And jokic.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
And elite, guys and, again statistically he's.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
In that's not in that he's not as good As
nobody would say, that come on.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
What other than you, apparently but, no but.

Speaker 9 (49:47):
LOOK i otherwise otherwise beyond saying he's With giannis And,
Jokicic i'm with, you all, RIGHT i. AGREE i THINK
i don't understand why certain people have payned this move
to Get DeAndre ayden. Intradiculously people love The Mark williams
acquisition right, today obviously killed he's better Than Mark williams

(50:09):
statistically and. Period, okay he's gonna be a great fit With.
Luca he obviously will be great on the lives From.
Luca and then he's got the short mid range shot
that is darned near. AUTOMATIC i, mean he really is
good at that. Level WHAT i want to see From DeAndre,
ayton his problem has really been his, attitude, moodiness his,

(50:30):
motor a lack. Thereof at, TIMES i want to see him, say,
Look i'm playing with the best player of this generation
and another guy that could be the best player of
his generation In. Luca we have a chance to do something.
Special i'm giving my awe or the defensive, end and
then don't be so moody, again Like, luca learn From

(50:52):
lebron is. Example AND i agree with. YOU i think
it was a great move by The. Lakers i'm not
saying it puts him over the top to win the,
champion BUT i think it was a great. Move and,
look they're right. THERE i think right now you would, Say,
okay See, Denver houston And minnesota are better than The,
lakers but The lakers are good enough where there's, hope.

Speaker 6 (51:14):
Like they should go out there like we have hope
that we can do something special this.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Year if The lakers Get Bradley. Beal they're the favors
of The. West let's quickly go To. Lebron, oh, no stop,
that let's go To. LEBRON i have to ask you about.
This you know this guy as well as.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Anybody he's been leaving bread crumbs on social media for
a couple weeks. Now he's Using Rich paul to get
his thing out that he's not happy with The, lakers
not really feeling the love From polinka and.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Company they're, good they're Showering.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Luca please tell the audience there's zero Chance lebron's getting.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Traded, zero they're. NOT i won't.

Speaker 9 (51:50):
SAY i won't say, zero BUT i am with. YOU
i don't think he's getting. TRADED i think he starts
the season with The. Lakers, now if for some reason
it goes terror what they try to move him at the,
deadline maybe get him to a team with a chance
to do something in the. Playoffs, yeah something like. That
BUT i don't see it going.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
Terrible.

Speaker 9 (52:08):
Right they were fifteen and eight With lebron And luca
last year And jamack the teams they beat they Beat houston,
twice they Beat denver, twice they Beat Oklahoma, city they
Beat New. York they Beat, indiana like those fifteen wins
weren't against chump, Change like they.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
Weren't playing good.

Speaker 9 (52:27):
Basketball and that was on the, fly, right that was
when a roster not built Around.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
Luca it was on the. Fly lebron had.

Speaker 9 (52:34):
To all of a sudden adjust to be in the
second guy, offensively and they still played good. Basketball so
you would expect them to be. Better you, KNOW Jj
reddick has spent all offseason trying to figure out what's
the best way to Maximize lebron And luca and the other.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
Parts.

Speaker 9 (52:50):
Together you add a good center And DeAndre ayton that
you didn't have a year.

Speaker 6 (52:53):
Ago like, Again i'm not.

Speaker 9 (52:56):
Predicting at this moment that they're gonna win the, Championship
but If i'm The, Lakers i'm saying we are one
of a handful of teams with two ALL nba level
players In luca And, lebron and we've got a good
cast of role. Players, now they need more athleticism on the,
wing they need more, shooting but they're good enough where you,

(53:18):
can AS i, said you should go into this season.
Hopeful so, look IF i could get this isn't even
possible because of the.

Speaker 6 (53:26):
Second apron rules and.

Speaker 9 (53:27):
Stuff but IF i could get Like Darius garland And
Jared allen For, LEBRON i would do.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
If i'm, like now you.

Speaker 9 (53:37):
Have, ayton so you may not Need allen contract that
type of, package you, know but those are but those
are guys that can play Off luca in the future
and the. Present See Darius GARLAND i think would be
good Off luca because he can. Shoot and then Obviously
allen with the defense and finishing at the rim Off
luca would be. Good So i'm looking at them as

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guys that will help.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
You be good in the present and.

Speaker 9 (54:02):
Beyond SO i would do, That but again that's not even,
possible SO i.

Speaker 6 (54:07):
Don't, YEAH i don't see The.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Lakers when The suns get rid Of Bradley. Beal The
lakers could get it for five million. Dollars Bradley beal.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Is the missing.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Piece you can just go ahead and get the parade
ready for The lakers if they Get Bradley.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
BEAL i know the.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
PEOPLE i am not nearly, yea AND.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
I like watching.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
It i'm just first of, All i'm not sure they'd
even Get.

Speaker 9 (54:25):
Bial you, know obviously he's gonna have a lot of,
Options BUT i don't know that he wants to go
there and be at best the third banana like he
would come off the bench.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Right so you want to, WIN i don't know.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
That i'm not Sure i've been talked to.

Speaker 9 (54:40):
IT i don't know that he wants to do that,
Though so it might be attitude.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
ISSUES i just don't see.

Speaker 9 (54:45):
That maybe a nice pickup if you can get him
and he's got the right.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Attitude my main, Man Chris, brussard he's on first things.
First after this, brew anytime you want to lose AN nba,
battle just holler at your.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Boy we'll chop it.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
Up.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Man have a great summerbout.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
IT i won't tell the.

Speaker 9 (54:58):
Audience we used to have a whole segment on my
podcast WHERE i beat you.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
Down it was literally Called.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
Knockdown, jay and you Were.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Jay so why we talk about Star man all? Right
coming up next year on The? Herd what are the sons?

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Doing Bradley Beal AND i got a guest who you
are going to love to talk, About Kyler, murray who
he thinks is better Than brock Party away