July 19, 2025 • 38 mins
Colin explains why the All-Star game was a complete hit last night
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It is a midweek Wednesday. Hey tell me this is
a slow week. It doesn't feel like it. We got
a lot to talk about. We are live, We're in Chicago.
It's The Herd, Jmac. Major League Baseball. I know on
these shows, nobody likes anybody in power. They don't like.
They don't like people in Canada. If you're the Prime minister,
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everybody's devisive. Nobody likes commissioners, but Rob Manfred Baseball has
been a case study in how to pivot in a
business that's got tradition and lore and history and a
lot of purists. Last night was three and a half
hours of great television for an exhibition. It was really good?
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Was that not fun? That was as good as all? Yeah?
I mean the Pro Bowls unwatchable, NBA All Star Games unwatchable.
I know I'm gonna sound like a homer. But the
Fox production on that broadcast last night was magnificent, a
masterclass in TV production. Between that the ABS system, lots
of runs. Let's talk about it because Major League Baseball
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a couple of years ago got over itself and decided
let's lean into entertainment. They didn't need to revolutionize, they
just kind of needed to retro fit. What the twenty
three year olds and thirty one year olds, what do
they want to watch? Home run derby ratings up last night?
I'm sure ratings will be significantly up. Miking Clayton Kershaw
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a legend? Are Sandy Kofax? Miking him? I could have
sat and watched that for an hour. Here's a clip.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I can't believe you're doing this, Clayton.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Okay, there, let's try to throw some cheese real quick.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hold on, all right? Going cheese again? Oh yeah, that's smart.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I mean you and Paul Skeens are pretty much the
same guy right.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Down the middle. I'm so glad you didn't swing.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
What do you want, smoltzy?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
What do you want?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Cut her in? Slider in? I don't throw a cutter
smelty slider?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Son of them? All right? What's the count? Too, too,
so weird talking to you, guys. It's kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Hey, sit him down, thanks guys. That was fun.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That was fun.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I kind of just sat and watched that. That's fascinating,
an inside glimpse, lean into entertainment, lean into technology. Now
some of baseball's growth, it's because Aaron Judge plays for
the Yankees, no tany plays for the Dodgers, and the
Dodgers have might as well have a Nationalague All Star team,
but they're stars in Kansas City and stars in Pittsburgh,
and the sport just stop fawning over tradition and stop
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taking itself so seriously and also wearing the real jerseys
for casuals and purists alike. That last two years have
been amazing by this sport. And so the National League
jumped out to a six nothing lead. I was just
about ready to tweet NL once again better than the AL.
But they had a big six inning, a couple of
home runs for the National League, and it looked like
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Paul Steins was going to walk out of there with
a win. But that didn't last long because the American
League roared back from a six nothing deficit because of Hello,
the Sacramento A's Brent Rooker, let's hear it, wait to
go with Pete A. Lonzo, Let's hear it for the
Sacramento A's bringing the American League back from a six
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to nothing deficit. So then as they eventually tied it,
they didn't go to extra innings because teams don't want
to have players then flying home off a fourteen inning game.
So they went to a swing off, and the great
Kyle Schwarber, who just hits bombs for all living went
three for three. And here's how it ended. They rallied
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in the game and now has rallied in the swing
of tricks. Look out chop house. National League takes the
lead four to three.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The National League wins it in the first swing off.
Kyle Schwarmer wins it going three for three.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I gotta say, you know, it was pretty exciting, like
all of a sudden, here we go in the in
the camaraderie that you you kind of build these last
couple of days with the team, I think went into
overdrive there, Like guys were i mean our side to
see how excited they were out there, and like, you know,
it's like, you know, whiffleball in the backyard. Here we go,
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let's do it again.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Didn't need to revolutionize the sport, speed it up, retro
fit it, make moments big events that felt big last night.
That's the best All Star game in any sport I've
watched in five or six years. And the last time
I saw a great All Star game it was baseballs.
But now, and you know, listen, some of it is
the stars are in Philadelphia, in LA and New York,
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the Mets and the Yankees, and and some of it's
that Chicago, but a lot of it is Rob Manfred
just saying, leaning into networks, listening to Fox and other
networks on making more moments big. The technology was great.
It doesn't hurt that Joe Davis sounds like a young
Vin Scully. It just felt magnificent. It felt big, and
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baseball has been in about a three year heater. Two
things can be true. You can respect tradition but not
be beholden to it. And that's what baseball has done
a very good job of. And last night fantastic, just
fantastic television. Beginning to end. I watched an hour and
a half of the pregame show. That's how much. I
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was into it. Okay, so I said yesterday this. You
know it's July. So any little breadcrumb of an NBA
or star rumor, it's an inferno. I don't buy Lebron
James is going to get traded. He's still really good.
It's an expiring contract. Let's see what happens to the
trade deadline. The Lakers could have even more leverage. But
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I'm looking at the betting odds today and they are
heating up that Dallas. Dallas is the favorite now to
get Lebron James. Well, if that's the case, Lebron wins again.
No state tax, upgraded coach Cooper flag reunited with Anthony Davis.
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Are you kidding me? Let's be honest about the Lakers.
I think JJ Reddick had a decent first year. I
like him. We don't know if he's ever going to
be as good as Jason Kidd. Maybe not. He got
worked in the series against Minnesota. DeAndre Ayton doesn't defend
and has an attitude and has in Phoenix and Portland.
Austin Reeves, I'm told, can't trade him seriously, not much
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of a bench, not much size so or no state tax.
Jason Kidd unbelievable size, including a D. I mean I
said this, yet you have Luca. But here's a potential lineup. Now,
for simplicity's sake, I said, if you did a trade,
let's say you give them Coop, you give them Klayt Thompson, PJ. Washington,
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Daniel Gafford two to three first round picks. This is
the Mavericks lineup, Kyrie Irving, Cooper Flag, Lebron, Anthony Davis,
and Derek Lively. Now again, they'll probably need a third
team and you'll have to give up a couple of
first round picks. But who cares. You have Cooper Flag
and Derek Lively. You've got a great wing and a
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great big on rookie deals for years. So you're telling
me this is a punishment for Lebron. I would sign
up for that today. Better coach reunited with two guys
I've played very well with and won a title with
Kyrie and Anthony Davis and the great domestic star. And
here's the thing with Lebron. Lebron is forty one years old.
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He does not want to be in the floor defending
at an elite level. He doesn't well Anthony Davis and
Lively are great rim protectors, so you don't have to
worry about that. And Cooper Flag, at least at the
college level, is an excellent defender. I don't know if
Cooper Flag is going to be a great offensive player
in the NBA. He's gonna be a really good defender. Okay,
so he may only average twenty four tops, I don't
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know he'll defend year one. So if this is the
punishment for Lebron James, sign up now for it. I
don't think it's gonna happen. Here was Anthony Slater from
The Athletic on a potential Lebron trade out of LA.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
The Lakers, you know, can go search for, you know,
a younger co star for Luka Doncics in the in
the market if they want to. Flexibility optionality has become
a popular term in the league, and that's clearly what
the Lakers they are prioritizing here. And it's understandable.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Just look at the ages.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Lebron's gonna turn forty one next year. It's unbelievable what
he's been able to do.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But as you.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Mentioned, locking into longer term money on him, you know,
kind of handcuffed them a little bit on building around Luca.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Listen, if if Lebron won a fourth title and that
team with Anthony Davis, if you can keep Lively in
Anthony Davis as rim protectors, because you're gonna have to
get they have so much depth in Dallas in their
front line. They're huge, best center rotation in the league.
Lakers need, I mean DeAndre eight and you're going to
be over him by like January fifteenth. You're going to
be over his act. So you could get some size
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from Dallas, a bunch of draft picks, and I think
that's what the new owners want. They don't want to
be tied to like gigantic, massive contract. You probably have
to give up Klay Thompson. He could come back to
Los Angeles. Michael Thompson, his dad, a very nice guy,
played for the Lakers. Send him draft picks size. But
if that's punishment, I said this. You know, sports is
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a little like the stock market. It just depends on
the day the tariffs are going to ruin the economy.
I don't know. I looked at the stock market this week.
It's at forty four thousand plus the Dow. It just
depends on the day the moment, the reaction, investor sentiment.
When this trade got done, Luca to the Lakers, it
was the end of the Mavericks franchise. And I said,
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on this show in front of this microphone, no it's not.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Dallas fell apart physically, so it looked far worse than
it was. But Laker fans got a glimpse of what
Luca is singularly, a profoundly gifted offensive player, that's what
he is. And he kind of feels like he's aging quickly.
So you know, I've always said that you can talk
about guys all you want. When they're on your team,
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you pay close attention. Everybody said Lakers are going to
win titles and Dallas is done, and I kept saying, no,
they're not. They've got a great coach, it's an attractive place.
They got Kyrie, they've got Anthony Davis and a man
center rotation. And in the NBA, guards and bigs are
really important right now. You know, you're gonna have to
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defend Jokic, gonna have to defend Wemby, you gotta defend Giannis.
You know you gotta have bigs. Okay, see, you won
a title, had two bigs Holmgren Hartenstein. So this is
just so funny. The way sports works is everybody thought
Dallas was doomed. If this thing came to fruition, sign
me up for Dallas minimum Western Conference finals. J Mac
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doesn't want to hear it. I'm becoming a Mavericks fan.
My only question is would the GM Nico Harrison want
to make another deal. I would do that deal in
one second. I'd give you two bigs, three first round picks,
Klay Thompson, put in a third team and every I've
said this before, Austin Reeves with Lebron James, you're talking
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yourself into Wow. Put Austin Reeves in Washington and he disappears,
He diss peers. Kyle Kuzman disappeared in Washington, and he's
his talent that as Austin reads are close.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
So Colin, yeah, yeah, obviously, if you're the MAVs, you
do this deal in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
What's in it for the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Those picks they're gonna be garbage.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
There's two or three picks. They're gonna be like twenty
seven to thirty two.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Remember, you have new ownership and they want to build
it there. What did the Dodgers do when Mark Walter
came in? Give us draft picks, get our front office right.
They do not want aging players. The Lakers history is
size wins, get draft picks. And by the way, when
Lebron contract is off the books and he's out, then
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you can go big game hunting in one year. I
don't think it's gonna happen. I don't. But if that's
punishment for all the people that think Lebron's gonna get traded,
I would sign up today for that deal. Well wait
a sec.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
If I'm the Lakers, there's no way I'm doing the deal.
But if you swap out Gafford for Lively, Lively's younger,
he does seem a little injury prone, younger and cheaper.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I want that. I don't want.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
I'm sorry, I don't want the Daniel Gafford contract on
my books. By the way, the Lakers want clean books
because they think maybe Jokics could be available in a
year or two. Yanis could be available in the year
or two. I don't know where they come to La.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
To play with Luca.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Well, if san Antonio starts winning, you're gonna have to
go through Wemby. So if I'm the Lakers, the reason
I think to doing this deal with Dallas is I
need a front line. DeAndre Ayton doesn't defend. We're very cool.
We may see it this year with all the way
that dominoes are falling for San Antonio, the West may
go through San Antonio, not Denver, Oklahoma City if Wemby
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becomes what we think is because Wemby's already got a
couple of kids next to him that can really play.
So if it has to go through Wemby, you can't
have Jackson Hayes or DeAndre Ayton. You need multiple bigs
and multiple fouls. What about the Houston Rockets?
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Does Kevin Durant have a say?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I think they're I love that team this year. In
the next year, your team with KD, Let's see what transpires.
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Speaker 1 (14:42):
And with that, Urban Meyer, three time national champions now
joining us live as we're getting fired up for the
college football season. So it's interesting. But just about Nick.
Nick is one of those guys who's older like Pete Carroll,
but he doesn't play old young dynamic. He's an innovative
and I do think Nick and Belichick are tight. I
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do think, like Jim Harbaugh, there's that little, that little scratch.
Nick's never failed at anything right, He's been good, and
that Miami things a little unsettling. I do think Nick
would take a call about an NFL job, do you Urban?
Speaker 9 (15:22):
You know I have not talked to him about this.
I could guess because I know him fairly well and
competed against him, that it's not a little scratch. It's
probably a pretty big scratch. That that's the one area
that he is not you know, you know, he, like
you said, he's getting things going on Miami. I actually
visited him when he was down there. But I don't
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think he'd go back to college. I don't see that fit.
I think you're you know, the whole idea that where
the heck is Alabama? Why are they not in the
top ten and spending I don't understand that one and
pushed the board. I'd be asking some hard questions, say
what's the problem here. We can't compete, we can't pay
our players. So I agree with you. I would say
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very little to no chance he would get involved in college,
but I think he would take phone calls from the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, I mean, let's talk Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harball was
rumored for years to go to the NFL, and he
the minute Justin Herbert needed a head coach. Jim's like, yeah,
I like that one. As you well know, you can
win a national championship without a great quarterback in college.
But I would argue in the NFL, they're all bad
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jobs if you're bad at quarterback. So I mean Tim
to me, I think I think Nick's gonna I mean, like,
when you look at the NFL, it almost feels like
it's a quarterback driven league, does it not.
Speaker 9 (16:48):
Well, that's kind of what got me, not kinda. I mean,
I still think Trevor Lawrence will go down as one
of the great quarterbacks. I think he's gonna end up
having a great career. But that's so intrigued when you
see him player of bet caliber. If Nick Saban can
get that kind of position where he he believes that
this is a Hall of Fame, future Hall of Fame
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quarterback or a world champion quarterback.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
The more I'm thinking, I think he's going to take
that call. I really do. And Skin I've not.
Speaker 9 (17:17):
Talked to him about that. He's got to doing a
great job on game day. And I know mark Ingram
and him play golf together and he has a great life.
But he's a competitor and I think he'd do very well.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So we've been talking about JJ McCarthy. Full disclosure, I
liked bo Nicks better than JJ McCarthy. He'd had like
five college coordinators, he was good with all of them.
I watched him beat Justin Herbert as a freshman when
Herbert was at Oregon. He was a freshman at Auburn,
and I watched him beat him. So I thought bo
Nix was going to work. I think Caleb does. I
like Drake May, I love Jayden Daniels. Going into NFL.
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I was hit and miss on JJ McCarthy, and my
criticism was, like an Alabama quarterback never try, not asked
to carry a team, doesn't get hit much. Great coach.
I mean, this is one of the reasons Ohio State
quarterbacks haven't historically been great. They always have the better
coach and the better roll line and the better receivers.
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I'm not a huge believer in JJ McCarthy because he
hasn't been he hasn't lived that NFL college life where
you have to throw to non NFL receivers and you
don't have protection and you play from behind. Where are
you on JJ? I know you may have to be diplomatic,
but where are you on him as a talent.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
No, I don't have to be diplomatic. I'd like JJ.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
I covered him in quite a bit on Fox Big Noon,
we had him all the time. I thought he was
a great game manager. To say he's going to be
a great NFL quarterback, I'm skeptical a little bit because
I think he's a tremendous athlete.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
He knows how to distribute the ball.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
But he like you said that last year, that Wolverine
football team, but he was a quarterback the national champions.
They were loaded, they had a great defense, great offense line,
best offense line in college football.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
He did not get hit much, and if you remember his.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Junior year, he had really or his third year his
had a hard time completing the ball down field. They
were not a downfield throwing team and he struggled with that.
So I think if they surround him with great players,
I think he'll be successful. But that's like all quarterbacks.
But there's a lot of question marks about JJ McCarthy
because of what you just said. Has he really had
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to bring the team from behind? He has a skill set.
The thing that I like best about JJ McCarthy he's
a competitor and he's a selfless player. There was times
they won games where he threw the ball fifteen times
and you never heard it complain about it. So I'm
a JJ McCarthy fan. I like him, but there's some
skepticism out there about it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Okay, So I think the guy that two years ago
didn't work for me, and I think he has a
chance to be the best quarterback in college football. Drew Aller.
So I watched him two years ago and I thought
he was a bit wild, and then last year I
watched him, he was defeat were better, he was more composed,
he was more accurate, and I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh,
this guy can really play. Give me your break. I
think Penn State's going to play for the national championship
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with Texas. I think this kid. The difference between sophomore
junior year or when I saw him two years ago
and last year was like, Oh, that's a first round quarterback.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I think night and day. Very concerned about you ll.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
He's actually from Ohio and I saw a high school
tape on him and then we covered him his sophomore
year and he struggled. Last year he was much better fundamentally.
But the question I have for Penn State, they have
two great running backs, they have one of the best
offensive lines in the country, certainly in the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Do they have this skill on the outside? Last year
they did not.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
That was not a typical Penn State receiving corps and
I don't know if they made it better. You know,
I keep trying to research that, and we'll see him
early in the season, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Hoping they have better skill on the outside.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
I think everything about Penn State is a nationalist championship contender.
My question is do they have NFL draft picks on
the outside like they used to?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know, I was you know when. And this happens
a lot in life, where you see something happen and
then you're worried about it, but it actually plays to
your benefit. So when the NIL came out, I think
a lot of coaches like Dabo Sweeney, are like, I
don't want to pay my players. That's not what college
football is about. Here's where the NIL helps coaches. Because
you spend so much time raising money to pay the players.
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You can't buy out coaches anymore. Alabama can't pay Kaitlin
Debori sixty million and pay Saban more money and pay
they don't have the money. And so I do think coaches.
I mean, like Lincoln Riley, I know the number. He's
not going anywhere. There's no way they just spent three
hundred million on facilities, eighteen million in NIL. He's got
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an eighty million dollar buyout. So I think NIL actually
urban protects the staff. You probably get a year or
two more than you used to. What say you?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Every time I come on your show you come up.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
With something Colin, I'm like, what is he talking about?
And this is one of those moments. I think you're right,
You're absolutely I never thought of it that way, But
how about the Wolverine is one of the best brands,
and biggest brands are expected at twenty seven dollars twenty
seven million dollars shortfall, teams are going to start I'm
worried about this start dropping sports.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Where is this money coming from? And what you just said?
Speaker 9 (22:36):
To go pay off a coaching staff as the head
coach has a buyout, but then you also have to
pay off all those assistant coaches. So this is one
of those moments calling you got me again. I think
you're absolutely right that you're going to see that. The
Texas A and M paidoff coaches like they used to.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't think you can do that anymore. There's not
enough money.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Finally, I think the best player in college football and
he won't be eligible as Jermaine Smith. I think Ohio
State's receiver.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Agreed, and I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I'm trying to think of somebody i'd have to go
back to Hugh Green that played for Pittsburgh where I
literally saw somebody and I thought, oh, he'd be an
elite NFL player as a sophomore in college. Jamar Chase
at LSU felt like that, You're like, yeah, he's an
NFL player plan on Saturdays. He's way too good for
college football. How do you coach a guy that is
so good and so gifted? How do you keep him engaged?
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How do you keep him focused? How do you keep
him happy? Because he didn't even look like a college player.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
I've had to I can't say I've had a Jermaine
Smith Jeremiah Smith, but I've had a couple that you
just got to constantly challenge him. The best thing that
Ohio State has is incredible defense. So his biggest challenges
a lot of times aren't necessarily the games on Saturday.
It's the Tuesday and Wednesday practice. And I felt that
when I had to Nick Bosa, or I had Percy
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Harvin or some of those guys who is so much
better than really everyone else. A lot of times bear
anybody else. Youuld play until you get to those big games.
Then you challenge the heck out of him in practice.
And that's a good thing about Jeremiah Smith and Ohio State.
His biggest you know, his biggest challenges A lot of
times are going against each other in practice. That's when
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iron charps is iron. And I've dealt with that and
I know that's what's happening in Columbus. They got some
good corners and that's one of the biggest challenge to
motivate him every day to go to work.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Jeremiah Smith, not German. I made a mistake, jeremih Smith.
Finally Texas Ohio State playing the opener. We all want
to see arch Manning. I want to see arch Manning.
What what will you need to see? How are you
going to view that game? I don't care a lot
about stats. I want to see what happens when he
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faces pressure. That's what I want to see. That this
will be the best front he faces. My guess is
what are you looking for from arch Manning?
Speaker 9 (25:03):
Really interesting to hear and I got a strong opinion
because I coached Tebow when after he won the Heisman
Trophy as a sophomore, he won the national championship as
a junior. His senior year, the scrutiny, the expectations we'd
beat Tennessee by fourteen points. He'd throw the ball and
he'd be getting hammered by the media.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
He didn't play well enough.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
So I think this will be the player with the
highest expectations in the last decade. I put it at
the Tebow level, where is anything going to be good
enough other than a perfect game? And he plays in
the SEC. He's going to face SEC defenses each week.
He's placing the play the ouse state buckets early. I
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think he's a tremendous talent.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But Sark, I'm.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
Glad he's got a head coach like Sark that knows
how to handle pressure like this, because the pressure on
him will be immense, and it's going to be pressure.
I think it's we have. It's just kind of pressure
on a player. I'm saying since Tim Tebow's senior year
at the University of Florida, it was it was NonStop,
even win to get We went twelve and zero his
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senior year and nothing was good enough. And I worry
about that. That wears on you, that wears on the staff.
But it most importantly it's going to wear an arch manning.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So I did a national championship bubble yesterday I think
there's five to six teams. Yeah, okay, So here I
have Clemson, Bama, Notre Dame. I don't know if Clemson
has the athletes they I don't know if they match
up with Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Penn State. I just
don't know if they do. But I like their coaching.
Quarterback Bama Notre Dame. I have to watch them play
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because I don't know what they are at quarterback at
Bama's playing a guy who hasn't played he's been there
three years. But there are five teams that I believe
look different. I love the staffs. I just they're different
to me, Like the backfield for Penn State is just different.
It's all NFL guys. Anything you disagree with.
Speaker 9 (26:57):
Here, No, I'm would probably throw one other team on
the bubble, though, I would throw that LSU team on
the bubble. You know, I think coach Kelly is a
heck of a coach, and they got a returning quarterback
that I think is a stud. So I would throw
one more out there, and LSU is never going to
be short. They were the one team, and I know
you can't just stereo type of team. They were the
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one team when I coached the SEC them and Georgia
came walking out of that tunnel. They look different, and
that stadium is a tough place to play, so I
like it. Thought I'd like your tough five, but I'd
throw one more bubble team in there, and that's.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Lsu urban Meyer, three time national champion coach, is always
you're making time for us and we love that.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Thanks. Good to see Helen.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Great to see you urban Meyer on our show, which
is you know, Fox Sports College Football hind Big Noon,
Big Noon. Things happen on that show from what I
From what I hear, I read a lot and there's
a lot of stuff. There's a lot of moving parts
on that show. I'm not going to get into it,
but now nurse things moving there. The wheel is spinning there,
(28:04):
that's what I hear. May want to pull up a
stool and sit down and read about it.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noon Easter nin a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
All right. Our three, we finally had Dana White. He's busy,
he's in New Orleans. UFC three eighteen. That's gonna be
a great card, highlighted by one of those classic fights.
Can remember when McGregor and Nate Diaz would meet two
and three times and you're like, Saturday, you knew what
you were going to be doing. And I think we
got Dustin Foier, wh who's one of the all time
most likable fighters, most interesting, most entertaining against Max Holloway.
(28:39):
There meeting for a third time. I don't want to
waste Jana White's time. He's the CEO in the UFC
President He is joining us live from New Orleans, and
we appreciate his busy guy. So what's interesting in the
history of UFC. The best fighters I've ever seen are
John Jones, who was unbelievable in his prime, and I
think Kabebe who made even con McGregor look completely upmatched.
(29:02):
But Dustin Pourrier, who fights Holloway tomorrow, is one of
the more entertaining, likable, interesting guys. He's on that second
tier of guys that when he fights, I have to watch.
Did you envision him when you found him being this great,
this captivating for this long Dana.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Which who Max and Dustin?
Speaker 6 (29:23):
I mean, yeah, yeah, well you never know, you never
know obviously, Uh you know, when he first faced Connor,
they were really uh early in their careers and and
Connor won that fight. Uh, And you never know how
a guy is going to bounce back from a loss.
(29:43):
But if you look at Poorier's last eleven fights, I
mean it's it's all been straight killers, and seven of
them are former world champions. So he's absolutely uh a
very special fighter, as is Max Holloway, which is what
makes this fight so intriguing.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
And the history of the UF seen nobody's landed more
strikes than Holloway and the poreel sit in the middle
of the ring and throw blows. Is you know what's
interesting about your sport? And I was talking to a
member of the staff. When Caitlin Clark came to the WNBA,
they weren't prepared for it. They weren't well run, they
weren't well organized. She's overwhelmed them. The officiating's bad. You
(30:23):
got you and the Fertita has run a great sport.
So when Connor McGregor arrived, you were prepared for it.
But like Caitlin Clark, he was so damn popular, so fast,
and I want you to talk about that. You have
not only been on the ground floor, but you had
your Caitlin Clark. You had a superstar emerge that was
literally the most viral human being in American sports. So
(30:45):
as the WNBA is struggling with Caitlin, go back to
the Connor days of what it's like to run a
sport and here comes a superstar, a Taylor Swift into
your lap. Do you remember? Was it great that it
create anxiety? And he take us back to that time?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
No, I mean the first time that I ever sat
down and had dinner with Connor McGregor in Las Vegas.
He flew out from Ireland and I left the dinner
and I called Lorenzo for Tita, and I said, let
me tell you what. I don't know if this guy
can fight or not, but if you can even throw
a punch, he's going to be a huge superstar front
And obviously, you know, we leaned into that, and you're right, listen, Caitlin.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Clark is a massive superstar. I'm a fan.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
So all the stuff that I got going on right now,
I actually had my assistant look to see when I
have season tickets to the Aces, so I had them
find out, you know, when she was coming to town,
and I'm clear on my schedule so I can go
to that game and watch her play live.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, so you are apparently I just read this the
other day and this made news. Are going to have
a card at the White House. So you've gone to
an island, you travel around the country, Now you're going
to have something at the White House. Obviously, I mean
they're security and all these things. Were you shocked when
that was offered to you or did you know that
was coming?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I did not know was coming. Yeah, but when he
offered it up, I was like, oh yeah, I'm all
in on this.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
So we've already sent a logistics team out there that
have walked the White House. There's calls going back and
forth every day between Craig We're sorry and my head
of production and the White House. And then we will
have all these renderings done within the next ten days
and where to fly out and sit down and walk
them through it and see what he wants and what
he doesn't want.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
So you're also getting involved in boxing with Canelo and Crawford.
So you and I have talked about this. We both
grew up boxing fans. I grew up with Mohammad Alian Fraser.
I grew up with Sugar Anne Hearns and Hagler you
did too as a Boston guy, and then you're part
of UFC. I prefer UFC. I think it's more consistent.
(32:53):
I think the quality the women's division. But I still
have a soft spot for a great boxing match. I
saw Paquial fight six times. So as you go into boxing,
why did you choose to do it?
Speaker 6 (33:08):
You know, I've been talking about it for a long time.
You know, I've had a lot of criticism of boxing
over the years, and now here I am. It's time
to put my money where my mouth is and tickets
go on sale today. Actually for Canelo Crawford Legion Stadium
September thirteenth. Tickets on sale today. You know, for me
(33:29):
to be able to my first boxing match that I'm
going to promote other than McGregor Mayweather is Canelo versus Crawford,
you know, two of the greatest fighters of our era
and in a big, massive fight in a stadium in
Las Vegas. I mean, this whole thing just sort of
fell in my lap. I have other plans in twenty
(33:50):
six and what I'm going to do with boxing, but
this fight here, Yeah, this this just sort of happened
Shake Turkey and I ended up doing this deal for
me to promote this fight.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So Max Holloway and Dustin Poorier tomorrow. One of the
hard things for you, even a Nick Connins WWE, although
USC is different obviously, is finding your next star. Now,
in the NFL, you have a draft, you have seven
rounds of draft. They come to you. But in your world,
where do you find Take me behind the scenes on
the standard, where do you find your next Dustin Poier?
(34:25):
Where do you find your stars? Are you flying around
the globe to find Do you have a team of
people that do that?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
I have matchmakers that are always looking for up and
coming talent.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
But where it really comes from? Right now?
Speaker 6 (34:38):
We do a show called Data White's Contender Series, Yes,
starts in August, and the best unsigned fighters in the
world fight each other on this show to see who
warns a contract. And it's been unbelievable for creating talent.
We've already had three world champions come off that show.
(34:58):
So yeah, that's that's really where it is right now.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Okay, UFC three to eighteen, Halloway Pooria tomorrow the Smoothie
King Center in New Orleans is great, by the way,
it's a great, great venue. It's going to be wild
because Potier is actually from there. Holloway's from the Hawaii.
Before I let you go forever, there was this stupid
stigma about you can't have pro teams in Vegas, and
you know, it was ridiculous. I mean, it just apps.
(35:24):
I mean, nobody monitors sports gambling like Vegas. They don't
want games thrown. So now you've got hockey, UFC, You've
got a baseball coming, You've got the Raiders. For people
that haven't been to Vegas in a while, are you
surprised how willing over the last five years pro sports
(35:44):
have been. I mean, you were the first in that,
really you you because boxing was all over the place.
Are you surprised that people have finally embraced Vegas over
the last half decade.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Well, I think it was the gambling issue. I think
that you know, they were so stuck on the gambling issue.
I'm stacking over. You could tell if you grew up
in Vegas. When you think about the un LV running Rebels,
they were like the pro team when I was a kid,
and they were so well supported and uh, you know,
financially and people buying tickets, and the list goes on
(36:17):
and on. I knew that. Listen, if you're going to
go to an away game for your team anytime during
the year, which one are you gonna pick? You're definitely
going to Vegas. It's it's a no brainer. You go
in there. You have an unbelievable weekend, tons of hotels,
the greatest restaurants in the world, the best shopping, There's
(36:37):
always something to do, and it's just a noble I mean,
there are so many sports. Do you There's gonna be
a ping pong league there pretty soon. Vegas is the
sports capital of the world right.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Now, dustin Porri before we go. When but a boxer
gets older, and do they say to you, hey, Dana,
this is gonna be my last fight. Do you approach
them sometimes and go, you know what, man, we care
about your health. We care about you as a guy.
When you get a poorier who's still very good, how
who makes the decision?
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Dana?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Is it? Do you ever lead that and say? Gay guy?
I think he had about two fights left.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Well, poorier in Holloway are ranked number four and number
five in.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
The world and the nastiest division in the sport, so
you know, it's not like they're they're on this huge
decline or anything like that. And you know, Fourier was
the one that said I think I'm ready to retire,
and he wanted to do it here, you know, in
his home state. And think about this highest grossing event
(37:39):
in arena history tonight over seven or Saturday Night and
over seventeen thousand in attendance. So still a huge superstar, still,
you know, on top of his game, and a legitimate
badass fight for his last fight, you know, his retirement fight.
So now there's stuff I would never go to a
guy like poor and say, hey, you should think about,
(38:01):
you know, retiring. There have been guys, but it's usually
guys that are on a skid and don't want to
retire it. Those are usually the ones that I say,
you know, you should probably hang it up.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
So I'm buying it tomorrow. Max Holloway, Dustin Poier, UFC
three eighteen, Danny, you're a busy guy. I always appreciate
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It is a midweek Wednesday. Hey tell me this is
a slow week. It doesn't feel like it. We got
a lot to talk about. We are live, We're in Chicago.
It's The Herd, Jmac. Major League Baseball. I know on
these shows, nobody likes anybody in power. They don't like.
They don't like people in Canada. If you're the Prime minister,
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everybody's devisive. Nobody likes commissioners, but Rob Manfred Baseball has
been a case study in how to pivot in a
business that's got tradition and lore and history and a
lot of purists. Last night was three and a half
hours of great television for an exhibition. It was really good?
(01:03):
Was that not fun? That was as good as all? Yeah?
I mean the Pro Bowls unwatchable, NBA All Star Games unwatchable.
I know I'm gonna sound like a homer. But the
Fox production on that broadcast last night was magnificent, a
masterclass in TV production. Between that the ABS system, lots
of runs. Let's talk about it because Major League Baseball
(01:26):
a couple of years ago got over itself and decided
let's lean into entertainment. They didn't need to revolutionize, they
just kind of needed to retro fit. What the twenty
three year olds and thirty one year olds, what do
they want to watch? Home run derby ratings up last night?
I'm sure ratings will be significantly up. Miking Clayton Kershaw
(01:50):
a legend? Are Sandy Kofax? Miking him? I could have
sat and watched that for an hour. Here's a clip.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I can't believe you're doing this, Clayton.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Okay, there, let's try to throw some cheese real quick.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hold on, all right? Going cheese again? Oh yeah, that's smart.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I mean you and Paul Skeens are pretty much the
same guy right.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Down the middle. I'm so glad you didn't swing.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
What do you want, smoltzy?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
What do you want?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Cut her in? Slider in? I don't throw a cutter
smelty slider?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Son of them? All right? What's the count? Too, too,
so weird talking to you, guys. It's kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Hey, sit him down, thanks guys. That was fun.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That was fun.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I kind of just sat and watched that. That's fascinating,
an inside glimpse, lean into entertainment, lean into technology. Now
some of baseball's growth, it's because Aaron Judge plays for
the Yankees, no tany plays for the Dodgers, and the
Dodgers have might as well have a Nationalague All Star team,
but they're stars in Kansas City and stars in Pittsburgh,
and the sport just stop fawning over tradition and stop
(02:56):
taking itself so seriously and also wearing the real jerseys
for casuals and purists alike. That last two years have
been amazing by this sport. And so the National League
jumped out to a six nothing lead. I was just
about ready to tweet NL once again better than the AL.
But they had a big six inning, a couple of
home runs for the National League, and it looked like
(03:17):
Paul Steins was going to walk out of there with
a win. But that didn't last long because the American
League roared back from a six nothing deficit because of Hello,
the Sacramento A's Brent Rooker, let's hear it, wait to
go with Pete A. Lonzo, Let's hear it for the
Sacramento A's bringing the American League back from a six
(03:38):
to nothing deficit. So then as they eventually tied it,
they didn't go to extra innings because teams don't want
to have players then flying home off a fourteen inning game.
So they went to a swing off, and the great
Kyle Schwarber, who just hits bombs for all living went
three for three. And here's how it ended. They rallied
(04:01):
in the game and now has rallied in the swing
of tricks. Look out chop house. National League takes the
lead four to three.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The National League wins it in the first swing off.
Kyle Schwarmer wins it going three for three.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I gotta say, you know, it was pretty exciting, like
all of a sudden, here we go in the in
the camaraderie that you you kind of build these last
couple of days with the team, I think went into
overdrive there, Like guys were i mean our side to
see how excited they were out there, and like, you know,
it's like, you know, whiffleball in the backyard. Here we go,
(04:46):
let's do it again.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Didn't need to revolutionize the sport, speed it up, retro
fit it, make moments big events that felt big last night.
That's the best All Star game in any sport I've
watched in five or six years. And the last time
I saw a great All Star game it was baseballs.
But now, and you know, listen, some of it is
the stars are in Philadelphia, in LA and New York,
(05:09):
the Mets and the Yankees, and and some of it's
that Chicago, but a lot of it is Rob Manfred
just saying, leaning into networks, listening to Fox and other
networks on making more moments big. The technology was great.
It doesn't hurt that Joe Davis sounds like a young
Vin Scully. It just felt magnificent. It felt big, and
(05:31):
baseball has been in about a three year heater. Two
things can be true. You can respect tradition but not
be beholden to it. And that's what baseball has done
a very good job of. And last night fantastic, just
fantastic television. Beginning to end. I watched an hour and
a half of the pregame show. That's how much. I
(05:52):
was into it. Okay, so I said yesterday this. You
know it's July. So any little breadcrumb of an NBA
or star rumor, it's an inferno. I don't buy Lebron
James is going to get traded. He's still really good.
It's an expiring contract. Let's see what happens to the
trade deadline. The Lakers could have even more leverage. But
(06:14):
I'm looking at the betting odds today and they are
heating up that Dallas. Dallas is the favorite now to
get Lebron James. Well, if that's the case, Lebron wins again.
No state tax, upgraded coach Cooper flag reunited with Anthony Davis.
(06:37):
Are you kidding me? Let's be honest about the Lakers.
I think JJ Reddick had a decent first year. I
like him. We don't know if he's ever going to
be as good as Jason Kidd. Maybe not. He got
worked in the series against Minnesota. DeAndre Ayton doesn't defend
and has an attitude and has in Phoenix and Portland.
Austin Reeves, I'm told, can't trade him seriously, not much
(07:02):
of a bench, not much size so or no state tax.
Jason Kidd unbelievable size, including a D. I mean I
said this, yet you have Luca. But here's a potential lineup. Now,
for simplicity's sake, I said, if you did a trade,
let's say you give them Coop, you give them Klayt Thompson, PJ. Washington,
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Daniel Gafford two to three first round picks. This is
the Mavericks lineup, Kyrie Irving, Cooper Flag, Lebron, Anthony Davis,
and Derek Lively. Now again, they'll probably need a third
team and you'll have to give up a couple of
first round picks. But who cares. You have Cooper Flag
and Derek Lively. You've got a great wing and a
(07:47):
great big on rookie deals for years. So you're telling
me this is a punishment for Lebron. I would sign
up for that today. Better coach reunited with two guys
I've played very well with and won a title with
Kyrie and Anthony Davis and the great domestic star. And
here's the thing with Lebron. Lebron is forty one years old.
(08:09):
He does not want to be in the floor defending
at an elite level. He doesn't well Anthony Davis and
Lively are great rim protectors, so you don't have to
worry about that. And Cooper Flag, at least at the
college level, is an excellent defender. I don't know if
Cooper Flag is going to be a great offensive player
in the NBA. He's gonna be a really good defender. Okay,
so he may only average twenty four tops, I don't
(08:30):
know he'll defend year one. So if this is the
punishment for Lebron James, sign up now for it. I
don't think it's gonna happen. Here was Anthony Slater from
The Athletic on a potential Lebron trade out of LA.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
The Lakers, you know, can go search for, you know,
a younger co star for Luka Doncics in the in
the market if they want to. Flexibility optionality has become
a popular term in the league, and that's clearly what
the Lakers they are prioritizing here. And it's understandable.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Just look at the ages.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Lebron's gonna turn forty one next year. It's unbelievable what
he's been able to do.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But as you.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Mentioned, locking into longer term money on him, you know,
kind of handcuffed them a little bit on building around Luca.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Listen, if if Lebron won a fourth title and that
team with Anthony Davis, if you can keep Lively in
Anthony Davis as rim protectors, because you're gonna have to
get they have so much depth in Dallas in their
front line. They're huge, best center rotation in the league.
Lakers need, I mean DeAndre eight and you're going to
be over him by like January fifteenth. You're going to
be over his act. So you could get some size
(09:40):
from Dallas, a bunch of draft picks, and I think
that's what the new owners want. They don't want to
be tied to like gigantic, massive contract. You probably have
to give up Klay Thompson. He could come back to
Los Angeles. Michael Thompson, his dad, a very nice guy,
played for the Lakers. Send him draft picks size. But
if that's punishment, I said this. You know, sports is
(10:01):
a little like the stock market. It just depends on
the day the tariffs are going to ruin the economy.
I don't know. I looked at the stock market this week.
It's at forty four thousand plus the Dow. It just
depends on the day the moment, the reaction, investor sentiment.
When this trade got done, Luca to the Lakers, it
was the end of the Mavericks franchise. And I said,
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on this show in front of this microphone, no it's not.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Dallas fell apart physically, so it looked far worse than
it was. But Laker fans got a glimpse of what
Luca is singularly, a profoundly gifted offensive player, that's what
he is. And he kind of feels like he's aging quickly.
So you know, I've always said that you can talk
about guys all you want. When they're on your team,
(10:46):
you pay close attention. Everybody said Lakers are going to
win titles and Dallas is done, and I kept saying, no,
they're not. They've got a great coach, it's an attractive place.
They got Kyrie, they've got Anthony Davis and a man
center rotation. And in the NBA, guards and bigs are
really important right now. You know, you're gonna have to
(11:08):
defend Jokic, gonna have to defend Wemby, you gotta defend Giannis.
You know you gotta have bigs. Okay, see, you won
a title, had two bigs Holmgren Hartenstein. So this is
just so funny. The way sports works is everybody thought
Dallas was doomed. If this thing came to fruition, sign
me up for Dallas minimum Western Conference finals. J Mac
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doesn't want to hear it. I'm becoming a Mavericks fan.
My only question is would the GM Nico Harrison want
to make another deal. I would do that deal in
one second. I'd give you two bigs, three first round picks,
Klay Thompson, put in a third team and every I've
said this before, Austin Reeves with Lebron James, you're talking
(11:53):
yourself into Wow. Put Austin Reeves in Washington and he disappears,
He diss peers. Kyle Kuzman disappeared in Washington, and he's
his talent that as Austin reads are close.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
So Colin, yeah, yeah, obviously, if you're the MAVs, you
do this deal in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
What's in it for the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Those picks they're gonna be garbage.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
There's two or three picks. They're gonna be like twenty
seven to thirty two.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Remember, you have new ownership and they want to build
it there. What did the Dodgers do when Mark Walter
came in? Give us draft picks, get our front office right.
They do not want aging players. The Lakers history is
size wins, get draft picks. And by the way, when
Lebron contract is off the books and he's out, then
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you can go big game hunting in one year. I
don't think it's gonna happen. I don't. But if that's
punishment for all the people that think Lebron's gonna get traded,
I would sign up today for that deal. Well wait
a sec.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
If I'm the Lakers, there's no way I'm doing the deal.
But if you swap out Gafford for Lively, Lively's younger,
he does seem a little injury prone, younger and cheaper.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I want that. I don't want.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
I'm sorry, I don't want the Daniel Gafford contract on
my books. By the way, the Lakers want clean books
because they think maybe Jokics could be available in a
year or two. Yanis could be available in the year
or two. I don't know where they come to La.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
To play with Luca.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Well, if san Antonio starts winning, you're gonna have to
go through Wemby. So if I'm the Lakers, the reason
I think to doing this deal with Dallas is I
need a front line. DeAndre Ayton doesn't defend. We're very cool.
We may see it this year with all the way
that dominoes are falling for San Antonio, the West may
go through San Antonio, not Denver, Oklahoma City if Wemby
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becomes what we think is because Wemby's already got a
couple of kids next to him that can really play.
So if it has to go through Wemby, you can't
have Jackson Hayes or DeAndre Ayton. You need multiple bigs
and multiple fouls. What about the Houston Rockets?
Speaker 7 (13:54):
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Speaker 1 (13:56):
I think they're I love that team this year. In
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Speaker 1 (14:42):
And with that, Urban Meyer, three time national champions now
joining us live as we're getting fired up for the
college football season. So it's interesting. But just about Nick.
Nick is one of those guys who's older like Pete Carroll,
but he doesn't play old young dynamic. He's an innovative
and I do think Nick and Belichick are tight. I
(15:04):
do think, like Jim Harbaugh, there's that little, that little scratch.
Nick's never failed at anything right, He's been good, and
that Miami things a little unsettling. I do think Nick
would take a call about an NFL job, do you Urban?
Speaker 9 (15:22):
You know I have not talked to him about this.
I could guess because I know him fairly well and
competed against him, that it's not a little scratch. It's
probably a pretty big scratch. That that's the one area
that he is not you know, you know, he, like
you said, he's getting things going on Miami. I actually
visited him when he was down there. But I don't
(15:44):
think he'd go back to college. I don't see that fit.
I think you're you know, the whole idea that where
the heck is Alabama? Why are they not in the
top ten and spending I don't understand that one and
pushed the board. I'd be asking some hard questions, say
what's the problem here. We can't compete, we can't pay
our players. So I agree with you. I would say
(16:07):
very little to no chance he would get involved in college,
but I think he would take phone calls from the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, I mean, let's talk Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harball was
rumored for years to go to the NFL, and he
the minute Justin Herbert needed a head coach. Jim's like, yeah,
I like that one. As you well know, you can
win a national championship without a great quarterback in college.
But I would argue in the NFL, they're all bad
(16:34):
jobs if you're bad at quarterback. So I mean Tim
to me, I think I think Nick's gonna I mean, like,
when you look at the NFL, it almost feels like
it's a quarterback driven league, does it not.
Speaker 9 (16:48):
Well, that's kind of what got me, not kinda. I mean,
I still think Trevor Lawrence will go down as one
of the great quarterbacks. I think he's gonna end up
having a great career. But that's so intrigued when you
see him player of bet caliber. If Nick Saban can
get that kind of position where he he believes that
this is a Hall of Fame, future Hall of Fame
(17:10):
quarterback or a world champion quarterback.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
The more I'm thinking, I think he's going to take
that call. I really do. And Skin I've not.
Speaker 9 (17:17):
Talked to him about that. He's got to doing a
great job on game day. And I know mark Ingram
and him play golf together and he has a great life.
But he's a competitor and I think he'd do very well.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So we've been talking about JJ McCarthy. Full disclosure, I
liked bo Nicks better than JJ McCarthy. He'd had like
five college coordinators, he was good with all of them.
I watched him beat Justin Herbert as a freshman when
Herbert was at Oregon. He was a freshman at Auburn,
and I watched him beat him. So I thought bo
Nix was going to work. I think Caleb does. I
like Drake May, I love Jayden Daniels. Going into NFL.
(17:53):
I was hit and miss on JJ McCarthy, and my
criticism was, like an Alabama quarterback never try, not asked
to carry a team, doesn't get hit much. Great coach.
I mean, this is one of the reasons Ohio State
quarterbacks haven't historically been great. They always have the better
coach and the better roll line and the better receivers.
(18:14):
I'm not a huge believer in JJ McCarthy because he
hasn't been he hasn't lived that NFL college life where
you have to throw to non NFL receivers and you
don't have protection and you play from behind. Where are
you on JJ? I know you may have to be diplomatic,
but where are you on him as a talent.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
No, I don't have to be diplomatic. I'd like JJ.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
I covered him in quite a bit on Fox Big Noon,
we had him all the time. I thought he was
a great game manager. To say he's going to be
a great NFL quarterback, I'm skeptical a little bit because
I think he's a tremendous athlete.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
He knows how to distribute the ball.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
But he like you said that last year, that Wolverine
football team, but he was a quarterback the national champions.
They were loaded, they had a great defense, great offense line,
best offense line in college football.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
He did not get hit much, and if you remember his.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Junior year, he had really or his third year his
had a hard time completing the ball down field. They
were not a downfield throwing team and he struggled with that.
So I think if they surround him with great players,
I think he'll be successful. But that's like all quarterbacks.
But there's a lot of question marks about JJ McCarthy
because of what you just said. Has he really had
(19:31):
to bring the team from behind? He has a skill set.
The thing that I like best about JJ McCarthy he's
a competitor and he's a selfless player. There was times
they won games where he threw the ball fifteen times
and you never heard it complain about it. So I'm
a JJ McCarthy fan. I like him, but there's some
skepticism out there about it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Okay, So I think the guy that two years ago
didn't work for me, and I think he has a
chance to be the best quarterback in college football. Drew Aller.
So I watched him two years ago and I thought
he was a bit wild, and then last year I
watched him, he was defeat were better, he was more composed,
he was more accurate, and I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh,
this guy can really play. Give me your break. I
think Penn State's going to play for the national championship
(20:15):
with Texas. I think this kid. The difference between sophomore
junior year or when I saw him two years ago
and last year was like, Oh, that's a first round quarterback.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I think night and day. Very concerned about you ll.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
He's actually from Ohio and I saw a high school
tape on him and then we covered him his sophomore
year and he struggled. Last year he was much better fundamentally.
But the question I have for Penn State, they have
two great running backs, they have one of the best
offensive lines in the country, certainly in the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Do they have this skill on the outside? Last year
they did not.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
That was not a typical Penn State receiving corps and
I don't know if they made it better. You know,
I keep trying to research that, and we'll see him
early in the season, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Hoping they have better skill on the outside.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
I think everything about Penn State is a nationalist championship contender.
My question is do they have NFL draft picks on
the outside like they used to?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know, I was you know when. And this happens
a lot in life, where you see something happen and
then you're worried about it, but it actually plays to
your benefit. So when the NIL came out, I think
a lot of coaches like Dabo Sweeney, are like, I
don't want to pay my players. That's not what college
football is about. Here's where the NIL helps coaches. Because
you spend so much time raising money to pay the players.
(21:35):
You can't buy out coaches anymore. Alabama can't pay Kaitlin
Debori sixty million and pay Saban more money and pay
they don't have the money. And so I do think coaches.
I mean, like Lincoln Riley, I know the number. He's
not going anywhere. There's no way they just spent three
hundred million on facilities, eighteen million in NIL. He's got
(21:57):
an eighty million dollar buyout. So I think NIL actually
urban protects the staff. You probably get a year or
two more than you used to. What say you?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Every time I come on your show you come up.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
With something Colin, I'm like, what is he talking about?
And this is one of those moments. I think you're right,
You're absolutely I never thought of it that way, But
how about the Wolverine is one of the best brands,
and biggest brands are expected at twenty seven dollars twenty
seven million dollars shortfall, teams are going to start I'm
worried about this start dropping sports.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Where is this money coming from? And what you just said?
Speaker 9 (22:36):
To go pay off a coaching staff as the head
coach has a buyout, but then you also have to
pay off all those assistant coaches. So this is one
of those moments calling you got me again. I think
you're absolutely right that you're going to see that. The
Texas A and M paidoff coaches like they used to.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't think you can do that anymore. There's not
enough money.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Finally, I think the best player in college football and
he won't be eligible as Jermaine Smith. I think Ohio
State's receiver.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Agreed, and I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I'm trying to think of somebody i'd have to go
back to Hugh Green that played for Pittsburgh where I
literally saw somebody and I thought, oh, he'd be an
elite NFL player as a sophomore in college. Jamar Chase
at LSU felt like that, You're like, yeah, he's an
NFL player plan on Saturdays. He's way too good for
college football. How do you coach a guy that is
so good and so gifted? How do you keep him engaged?
(23:29):
How do you keep him focused? How do you keep
him happy? Because he didn't even look like a college player.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
I've had to I can't say I've had a Jermaine
Smith Jeremiah Smith, but I've had a couple that you
just got to constantly challenge him. The best thing that
Ohio State has is incredible defense. So his biggest challenges
a lot of times aren't necessarily the games on Saturday.
It's the Tuesday and Wednesday practice. And I felt that
when I had to Nick Bosa, or I had Percy
(23:57):
Harvin or some of those guys who is so much
better than really everyone else. A lot of times bear
anybody else. Youuld play until you get to those big games.
Then you challenge the heck out of him in practice.
And that's a good thing about Jeremiah Smith and Ohio State.
His biggest you know, his biggest challenges A lot of
times are going against each other in practice. That's when
(24:19):
iron charps is iron. And I've dealt with that and
I know that's what's happening in Columbus. They got some
good corners and that's one of the biggest challenge to
motivate him every day to go to work.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Jeremiah Smith, not German. I made a mistake, jeremih Smith.
Finally Texas Ohio State playing the opener. We all want
to see arch Manning. I want to see arch Manning.
What what will you need to see? How are you
going to view that game? I don't care a lot
about stats. I want to see what happens when he
(24:51):
faces pressure. That's what I want to see. That this
will be the best front he faces. My guess is
what are you looking for from arch Manning?
Speaker 9 (25:03):
Really interesting to hear and I got a strong opinion
because I coached Tebow when after he won the Heisman
Trophy as a sophomore, he won the national championship as
a junior. His senior year, the scrutiny, the expectations we'd
beat Tennessee by fourteen points. He'd throw the ball and
he'd be getting hammered by the media.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
He didn't play well enough.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
So I think this will be the player with the
highest expectations in the last decade. I put it at
the Tebow level, where is anything going to be good
enough other than a perfect game? And he plays in
the SEC. He's going to face SEC defenses each week.
He's placing the play the ouse state buckets early. I
(25:45):
think he's a tremendous talent.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But Sark, I'm.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
Glad he's got a head coach like Sark that knows
how to handle pressure like this, because the pressure on
him will be immense, and it's going to be pressure.
I think it's we have. It's just kind of pressure
on a player. I'm saying since Tim Tebow's senior year
at the University of Florida, it was it was NonStop,
even win to get We went twelve and zero his
(26:10):
senior year and nothing was good enough. And I worry
about that. That wears on you, that wears on the staff.
But it most importantly it's going to wear an arch manning.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So I did a national championship bubble yesterday I think
there's five to six teams. Yeah, okay, So here I
have Clemson, Bama, Notre Dame. I don't know if Clemson
has the athletes they I don't know if they match
up with Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Penn State. I just
don't know if they do. But I like their coaching.
Quarterback Bama Notre Dame. I have to watch them play
(26:39):
because I don't know what they are at quarterback at
Bama's playing a guy who hasn't played he's been there
three years. But there are five teams that I believe
look different. I love the staffs. I just they're different
to me, Like the backfield for Penn State is just different.
It's all NFL guys. Anything you disagree with.
Speaker 9 (26:57):
Here, No, I'm would probably throw one other team on
the bubble, though, I would throw that LSU team on
the bubble. You know, I think coach Kelly is a
heck of a coach, and they got a returning quarterback
that I think is a stud. So I would throw
one more out there, and LSU is never going to
be short. They were the one team, and I know
you can't just stereo type of team. They were the
(27:18):
one team when I coached the SEC them and Georgia
came walking out of that tunnel. They look different, and
that stadium is a tough place to play, so I
like it. Thought I'd like your tough five, but I'd
throw one more bubble team in there, and that's.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Lsu urban Meyer, three time national champion coach, is always
you're making time for us and we love that.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Thanks. Good to see Helen.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Great to see you urban Meyer on our show, which
is you know, Fox Sports College Football hind Big Noon,
Big Noon. Things happen on that show from what I
From what I hear, I read a lot and there's
a lot of stuff. There's a lot of moving parts
on that show. I'm not going to get into it,
but now nurse things moving there. The wheel is spinning there,
(28:04):
that's what I hear. May want to pull up a
stool and sit down and read about it.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
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Speaker 1 (28:16):
All right. Our three, we finally had Dana White. He's busy,
he's in New Orleans. UFC three eighteen. That's gonna be
a great card, highlighted by one of those classic fights.
Can remember when McGregor and Nate Diaz would meet two
and three times and you're like, Saturday, you knew what
you were going to be doing. And I think we
got Dustin Foier, wh who's one of the all time
most likable fighters, most interesting, most entertaining against Max Holloway.
(28:39):
There meeting for a third time. I don't want to
waste Jana White's time. He's the CEO in the UFC
President He is joining us live from New Orleans, and
we appreciate his busy guy. So what's interesting in the
history of UFC. The best fighters I've ever seen are
John Jones, who was unbelievable in his prime, and I
think Kabebe who made even con McGregor look completely upmatched.
(29:02):
But Dustin Pourrier, who fights Holloway tomorrow, is one of
the more entertaining, likable, interesting guys. He's on that second
tier of guys that when he fights, I have to watch.
Did you envision him when you found him being this great,
this captivating for this long Dana.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Which who Max and Dustin?
Speaker 6 (29:23):
I mean, yeah, yeah, well you never know, you never
know obviously, Uh you know, when he first faced Connor,
they were really uh early in their careers and and
Connor won that fight. Uh, And you never know how
a guy is going to bounce back from a loss.
(29:43):
But if you look at Poorier's last eleven fights, I
mean it's it's all been straight killers, and seven of
them are former world champions. So he's absolutely uh a
very special fighter, as is Max Holloway, which is what
makes this fight so intriguing.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
And the history of the UF seen nobody's landed more
strikes than Holloway and the poreel sit in the middle
of the ring and throw blows. Is you know what's
interesting about your sport? And I was talking to a
member of the staff. When Caitlin Clark came to the WNBA,
they weren't prepared for it. They weren't well run, they
weren't well organized. She's overwhelmed them. The officiating's bad. You
(30:23):
got you and the Fertita has run a great sport.
So when Connor McGregor arrived, you were prepared for it.
But like Caitlin Clark, he was so damn popular, so fast,
and I want you to talk about that. You have
not only been on the ground floor, but you had
your Caitlin Clark. You had a superstar emerge that was
literally the most viral human being in American sports. So
(30:45):
as the WNBA is struggling with Caitlin, go back to
the Connor days of what it's like to run a
sport and here comes a superstar, a Taylor Swift into
your lap. Do you remember? Was it great that it
create anxiety? And he take us back to that time?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
No, I mean the first time that I ever sat
down and had dinner with Connor McGregor in Las Vegas.
He flew out from Ireland and I left the dinner
and I called Lorenzo for Tita, and I said, let
me tell you what. I don't know if this guy
can fight or not, but if you can even throw
a punch, he's going to be a huge superstar front
And obviously, you know, we leaned into that, and you're right, listen, Caitlin.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Clark is a massive superstar. I'm a fan.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
So all the stuff that I got going on right now,
I actually had my assistant look to see when I
have season tickets to the Aces, so I had them
find out, you know, when she was coming to town,
and I'm clear on my schedule so I can go
to that game and watch her play live.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, so you are apparently I just read this the
other day and this made news. Are going to have
a card at the White House. So you've gone to
an island, you travel around the country, Now you're going
to have something at the White House. Obviously, I mean
they're security and all these things. Were you shocked when
that was offered to you or did you know that
was coming?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I did not know was coming. Yeah, but when he
offered it up, I was like, oh yeah, I'm all
in on this.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
So we've already sent a logistics team out there that
have walked the White House. There's calls going back and
forth every day between Craig We're sorry and my head
of production and the White House. And then we will
have all these renderings done within the next ten days
and where to fly out and sit down and walk
them through it and see what he wants and what
he doesn't want.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
So you're also getting involved in boxing with Canelo and Crawford.
So you and I have talked about this. We both
grew up boxing fans. I grew up with Mohammad Alian Fraser.
I grew up with Sugar Anne Hearns and Hagler you
did too as a Boston guy, and then you're part
of UFC. I prefer UFC. I think it's more consistent.
(32:53):
I think the quality the women's division. But I still
have a soft spot for a great boxing match. I
saw Paquial fight six times. So as you go into boxing,
why did you choose to do it?
Speaker 6 (33:08):
You know, I've been talking about it for a long time.
You know, I've had a lot of criticism of boxing
over the years, and now here I am. It's time
to put my money where my mouth is and tickets
go on sale today. Actually for Canelo Crawford Legion Stadium
September thirteenth. Tickets on sale today. You know, for me
(33:29):
to be able to my first boxing match that I'm
going to promote other than McGregor Mayweather is Canelo versus Crawford,
you know, two of the greatest fighters of our era
and in a big, massive fight in a stadium in
Las Vegas. I mean, this whole thing just sort of
fell in my lap. I have other plans in twenty
(33:50):
six and what I'm going to do with boxing, but
this fight here, Yeah, this this just sort of happened
Shake Turkey and I ended up doing this deal for
me to promote this fight.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So Max Holloway and Dustin Poorier tomorrow. One of the
hard things for you, even a Nick Connins WWE, although
USC is different obviously, is finding your next star. Now,
in the NFL, you have a draft, you have seven
rounds of draft. They come to you. But in your world,
where do you find Take me behind the scenes on
the standard, where do you find your next Dustin Poier?
(34:25):
Where do you find your stars? Are you flying around
the globe to find Do you have a team of
people that do that?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
I have matchmakers that are always looking for up and
coming talent.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
But where it really comes from? Right now?
Speaker 6 (34:38):
We do a show called Data White's Contender Series, Yes,
starts in August, and the best unsigned fighters in the
world fight each other on this show to see who
warns a contract. And it's been unbelievable for creating talent.
We've already had three world champions come off that show.
(34:58):
So yeah, that's that's really where it is right now.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Okay, UFC three to eighteen, Halloway Pooria tomorrow the Smoothie
King Center in New Orleans is great, by the way,
it's a great, great venue. It's going to be wild
because Potier is actually from there. Holloway's from the Hawaii.
Before I let you go forever, there was this stupid
stigma about you can't have pro teams in Vegas, and
you know, it was ridiculous. I mean, it just apps.
(35:24):
I mean, nobody monitors sports gambling like Vegas. They don't
want games thrown. So now you've got hockey, UFC, You've
got a baseball coming, You've got the Raiders. For people
that haven't been to Vegas in a while, are you
surprised how willing over the last five years pro sports
(35:44):
have been. I mean, you were the first in that,
really you you because boxing was all over the place.
Are you surprised that people have finally embraced Vegas over
the last half decade.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Well, I think it was the gambling issue. I think
that you know, they were so stuck on the gambling issue.
I'm stacking over. You could tell if you grew up
in Vegas. When you think about the un LV running Rebels,
they were like the pro team when I was a kid,
and they were so well supported and uh, you know,
financially and people buying tickets, and the list goes on
(36:17):
and on. I knew that. Listen, if you're going to
go to an away game for your team anytime during
the year, which one are you gonna pick? You're definitely
going to Vegas. It's it's a no brainer. You go
in there. You have an unbelievable weekend, tons of hotels,
the greatest restaurants in the world, the best shopping, There's
(36:37):
always something to do, and it's just a noble I mean,
there are so many sports. Do you There's gonna be
a ping pong league there pretty soon. Vegas is the
sports capital of the world right.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Now, dustin Porri before we go. When but a boxer
gets older, and do they say to you, hey, Dana,
this is gonna be my last fight. Do you approach
them sometimes and go, you know what, man, we care
about your health. We care about you as a guy.
When you get a poorier who's still very good, how
who makes the decision?
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Dana?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Is it? Do you ever lead that and say? Gay guy?
I think he had about two fights left.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Well, poorier in Holloway are ranked number four and number
five in.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
The world and the nastiest division in the sport, so
you know, it's not like they're they're on this huge
decline or anything like that. And you know, Fourier was
the one that said I think I'm ready to retire,
and he wanted to do it here, you know, in
his home state. And think about this highest grossing event
(37:39):
in arena history tonight over seven or Saturday Night and
over seventeen thousand in attendance. So still a huge superstar, still,
you know, on top of his game, and a legitimate
badass fight for his last fight, you know, his retirement fight.
So now there's stuff I would never go to a
guy like poor and say, hey, you should think about,
(38:01):
you know, retiring. There have been guys, but it's usually
guys that are on a skid and don't want to
retire it. Those are usually the ones that I say,
you know, you should probably hang it up.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
So I'm buying it tomorrow. Max Holloway, Dustin Poier, UFC
three eighteen, Danny, you're a busy guy. I always appreciate
you stopping buying giving the Herd ten minutes
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