July 24, 2025 • 32 mins
Fox NFL analyst Mark Sanchez stops by The Herd to talk about Caleb Williams recent comments, the Bears offense, the Browns QB room , what needs to be done at training camp, and more
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Mark Sanchez. The off season.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Is over, Mark Sanchez pulling up a chair for us,
and he is joining us live, So let's just start.
He'll be calling games NFL games this fall on Fox.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And I want to start with.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The Caleb thing. He didn't have a good practice yesterday.
Whatever it happens. He did go out and he publicly stated, Mark, hey,
I'm gonna throw. I wanna throw for this many yards
and I want to complete this many passes.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
What did you make of that? I didn't love it.
Not think of it this way.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
The two paste is kind of out of the tube
and it's really hard to put it back in. What
politician comes up and says, hey, I'm going to cut
inflation by this percent by this date.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Nobody does that.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
They just say, hey, we're going to attack inflation and
bring it down, right, so saying I'm going to work
on my completion percentage. Hey, I got to get rid
of the ball sooner and avoid some of those sacks.
I could pick up a couple free completions by checking
the ball down sooner to eliminate some of those sacks.
That's just generally kind of what you want to hear.
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But now there's this benchmark out there, and every game
he doesn't throw for seventy percent in that market, you
know people are going to say, well, then it's a failure.
Think of it this way. There's thirty two NFL teams.
The Eagles won the Super Bowl last year. Thirty one
teams had a failed season. So if that's the goal
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and you publicly state the goal, it makes it really
hard when you don't achieve those numbers. So I don't
love that it came out publicly. I don't think he
was you know, I think he was just kind of talking.
And it's one of those things as you mature in
the league and stuff, you don't have to put specific benchmark,
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you know, notable numbers on paper and out there for
people like us to talk about and then eventually judge
you by. So I remember doing that with Brian Schottenheimer. Though,
we'd say, you know, you want to throw for around
thirty five hundred yards, you want to be right at
about thirty touchdowns would be awesome, and ten or less
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interceptions would be a really really good year. That's that's
Those are kind of benchmark numbers that we'd like to hit.
But if we're gonna say you gotta throw for four
thousand yards and you gotta be seventy percent completions, well
then in practice you got to be completing I don't
know ninety percent of your pasth And you know, look
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at Burrow last year, he threw for forty nine hundred.
He threw for almost five thousand yards and missed the playoffs.
So Jalen Hurts won the Super Bowl and he didn't
even throw for three thousand. So it's not necessarily that
specific number, whether it's yards or completion percentage. I just
wish for his sake he didn't publicly state that. You know,
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coaches are different, there are. McVeigh is very positive, he's
a very uplifting personality.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I think Matt Lafleur's got some of that. I think
Sean Payton can bark a little bit. Andy Reids dont
in practice, Sean could be tough. He called out Russell Wilson.
There was a conflict of personalities, not just offense. Ben
Johnson is pretty kurt. He's pretty bottom line.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
And I go back to your career.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Did you ever have a coach that was pretty bottom
line and did it play in your head?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Was it difficult?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Mark?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I think whether it's coach Sarkisian being around John Gruden
for the time I was around for a little bit,
you need to be tested and it's not scripted, but
there will be times during training camp.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
This is the time of year to create scenarios that
are very.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Difficult for your quarterback and you want him to experience
that feel all the emotions associated with that, either embarrassment
or you know, the nerves. The guys are looking at me,
coaches are screaming at me. Okay, well now what who
are you in that moment? Because there's gonna be seventy
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thousand people in the crowd, millions of people watching, you know,
eleven guys trying to rip your head off on the
other team. You got ten guys in your huddle that
you got to get on the right page, lined up correctly,
know all their assignments, understand what's happening with a play clock,
with a scenario, with the situation, and nothing happens till
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you hike the ball.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Till you say, said Hu.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
So I think the coaches at this time of year
try to manufacture some of those scenarios and generate some
of those emotions to make sure your quarterback is dialed.
And it sounds like you know Ben Johnson from the
people I've talked to. I don't know him personally, but
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he doesn't have the longest vius right. He's a short
fused guy.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And if you don't show up, you know, with the
right clothes on.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
At the right time, like, there's no excuse, Like there's
a level of efficacy that you have to show up with.
And if you don't get out of here, and if
you can't call the play, if you can't get lined up,
if you can't get guys realigned when they screw up,
you can't play for me. So you gotta go case Keenum,
get in here, come in and play now. Does that
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mean Caleb's never gonna play again?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Of course not.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
But it's just one of those reminders that hey, dude,
there's a new sheriff in town.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
We got standards here and they've been raised.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
So meet the standard or get the hell out of
my face, basically, And some of that I think is
good in Dosets, I think it's good all the time.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Probably not so I've said I worry that Joe Burrow
could become Matt Stafford gifted, but upstairs executive suite ownerships
not helping him. I look at a former Trojan, Carson
Palmer had the Bengals the Raiders in Arizona when he
got Bruce Arians for a few years, the guy had
seventy touchdown passes that over. We don't we think that
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the quarterbacks the most important. But he needs a left tackle,
he needs the right coach, and good ownership matters. And
I think in the last year, Mark I've seen Joe
Burrow be frustrated at the podium like a half a
dozen times, frustrated with his organization. And I mean, you're
in a situation where some stuff upstairs with the Jets.
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Let's just be totally honest, that aren't ideal. Can that
wear on a player, especially a quarterback, in the face
of the franchise. Did I thought Burrow last year. I'm like, Wow,
he is frustrated. And I don't think it's with teammates.
I think it's upstairs. Does that stuff weigh on players?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I think players who have a pretty good scope of
the bigger picture, and the longer I played, the more
I understood. Just like anything more experience gives you more knowledge.
It's hard enough to get it first down on third
and six, to orchestrate a fifteen play drive, convert multiple
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third downs, throw a touchdown pass. I mean those things
are really hard. You train six days and multiple days
in the offseason just to get one drive right. So
if that's hard, why do we add more stuff to
our plate? Like this dude, Trey Hendrickson has outperformed all
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these guys, whether it's Max Crosby, Daniel Hunter and Miles Garrett,
all these guys getting contracts, and it's like, why is
he not here?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Why do I even have to talk about this?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
You know, as a quarterback a lot like you know
the president once again, this analogy, but you get briefed
on stuff that's going on and what you're about to
face at the podium, and most of the time you're
falling on the sword. You're trying to put out fires.
You're you know, killing the media with cliches. But at
a certain point it just gets old and annoying and frustrating,
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and it's like, can we just talk about football, Like,
let's just get the guys here that are on the team,
that should be here, the really good players.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
We try not to let them leave. Let's go play some.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Ball, you know, and everybody at this point of the
year is ready for that. You know, nobody wants to
do the interviews talking about, Hey what about the guy
holding out? Now, we had that happen with Darrell Reavis,
and people understood there's a business side to it, and
then there's the teammates side, you know, trying to win games,
shared struggle. All that we understood. We weren't worried about
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Darrell Reeves. I don't think they're worried about Trey Henderson.
But it just gets annoying talking about stuff like that. So,
you know, it's the same team that you know, Carson
Palmer retired from football. He literally said, one of the
best players to ever play just decided, hey, no, I'm
not going back there. So I think it's you know,
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they're trying their best with the head coaching quarterback to
change some of that culture, and it's not always easy.
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Speaker 3 (10:52):
So go to your last year in football. Aaron's getting older.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I saw stat the other day quarterbacks over forty of
one twelve playoff games. Braddy's one, so take him out.
He's the outlier. It just gets tougher. And we were
talking about this earlier with j Mac. The season's now
seventeen games, it's longer, it's harder, and was your body
better earlier late? Like with Aaron, like go back to
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your last year, which did it take you a while?
Like when did you feel your best preseason or week fifteen?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
I think as you age, you kind of find your rhythm,
and unfortunately, I feel like the warm up and the
cool down take longer than the workout.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
That's when you know you're a little bit older.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Because you see some of those guys walk out to
the field like some younger quarterbacks or whatever, and they
just kind of hit one of these and Okay, I'm good,
let's go, and you're like, what the hell, huh, how's this.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Guy ready to play? I got twenty more minutes just
to stretchy.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I gotta get the bands going, I gotta activate all
this stuff. So you get into your own routine and
you start to fill your body. Same thing with the
offseason program. Some guys, you know, the day after their
season ends, they take one day off and then start
working out again. You know, that works for some guys,
not for everybody, and it's not going to work like
that forever.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
So a guy like Aaron at this.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Point, you know, it's more of checking the boxes, making
sure I've hit all the things I needed to hit
along the way. I've got the reps in, I've got
the throws in, I know what I'm prepared to do,
and just give me the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Let's go. Tell me when the game is like, I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
So it takes longer, I think, like day by day,
but the big picture, the big scope of understanding how
to ramp up and crescendo right into the season and
make sure you can last those guys, I mean, somebody
like Aaron he's got.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
A down PAP.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Finally, I'm kind of rooting for Shanor Sanders because I
just think it's a fascinating story. Do camp statistics matter
for a quarterback? Now you're you're going against backups, but
you're often throwing to backups. If a guy goes eleven
for twelve in camp, what does it mean? Like, what
do you, as a guy who played in this league
for a decade, what do you look for for from
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cam Ward or Dylan Gabriel or a young quote? What
do you look at and go, oh, that's real. I
can put my stamp that's that's real?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Or is anything.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
At this point?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
You know, I know it's become common for people at
practice to chart.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
You know, seven on seven the guy was seven for ten,
he was.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Eight for ten, whatever, Yes, it matters right that you
want to complete well, you don't want to go over
ten right in seven online? That's pretty embarrassing. In seven
on seven, you know, you got to be hitting eighty
percent of your passes. I mean, there's no rush the
ball out on time. That's just kind of that's like
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if we're not there there's a problem, and you can
tell practice doesn't feel right for these young guys.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
They are.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
They're trying to learn what success feels like. They're trying
to understand that it's okay to miss the throw and
bounce right back the next play. Sure, the statistics matter,
I think the bigger statistic is the four quarterbacks they
got in that room. If anybody goes down in August September,
they got they got capital. They got quarterback capital right
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there that can potentially go somewhere and play. So I
look at that room as you know, those four guys
might not finish the season there, and you know, I
don't think it has anything to do with injury. I
think they might send somebody somewhere and get a couple
of picks for next year. So the better you perform,
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the better you're.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Doing on tape.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yes, of course you want to stack, complete stack good
practices and learn what that feels like. But I don't
think preseason, especially the way it's structured now, is a
true indicator of your success during the regular season.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It's it's it's not everything. It's something, it's not everything.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I know that's one of your phrases, but yeah, If
he's missing every throw, I think there'd be a problem.
If he's completing every throw, that's great. Let's just keep
it up. So I think you're right because of his name,
because of the story. It's interesting. But you know, stats
aren't aren't the only indicator of success. But that's that's
kind of the battle he's fighting right now.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Mark's great stuff. Games are right around the corner. In fact,
I think next Thursday is the Hall of Fame game.
If I if I let's go, let's go. Good to
see anybody.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Appreciate it? You bet?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, the saying, I've always believed in everything is something,
nothing is everything, So it doesn't matter if you're in
my business, you're in law, you're recruiting for technology. During
an interview, everything is a tell. Everything's a little something,
but nothing's everything. People have had bad interviews and ended
up being great employees.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Jay Maric with a news no, no.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
On the news. This is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
The staff comes to me with all these stories and
they just happen to be about teams you love.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Let's start with the New England Patriots.
Speaker 10 (16:29):
Colin, you are extremely bullish on this squad, well, second
year of quarterback Drake May said something interesting about this
year's camp and his teammates.
Speaker 11 (16:37):
Take a listen.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
I think you've got guys around here that are tired
of losing around here and the guys that want to win.
I think that's what excites me most. We guys want
to win around here. I think in the past two
or three years around here, in the past year. For me,
I go speak for myself, but I think these guys
around here there are tired of losing, want to.
Speaker 11 (16:52):
Win, tired of losing, tired Patriots.
Speaker 10 (16:56):
I was like, oh, two decades of dynasty action with Belichick.
I mean, Drake May, that's how young he is coming.
We're tired of losing around here, Like two years.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well, I you know, Drake May's sort of been lost,
so Neck made Bownicks made the playoffs. Everybody's like, Wow,
Jayden Daniels was great. Wow, JJ McCarthy. We don't know,
Caleb misfired. I think I'm not sure if people paid
attention Ryan look at his numbers last year. I thought
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Drake May, he kind of got lost on a bad
team and he was overshadowed by how great Jayden Daniels
was and bow Knicks. Both those guys put very good numbers.
In fact, Bow's numbers in terms of total yards, completions,
touchdowns was better than Jayden Daniels. And we didn't I
didn't sit and watch every second of every Patriot game.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
He he made a leap last year. He was pretty
interesting late in the year, pretty good player. Well remember
the coach.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
Was just did some buffoonery where he was like, yeah,
the best quarterback starting, and he didn't start Drake May.
Remember at the beginning of season. Then May comes in
like midway through and is like, oh, this guy's really good,
and then they fire the coach, so he's kind of
starting over. I mean, I don't think this is that
out of a take. Like bo Nicks is talented, Drake
May has way more talent and is going to be
a better quart I think he is a higher ceiling
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without question. Like Knis is off to a good start.
He's got Sean Payton. You know, let's see what what
May does with the Patriots. Feels like they'll be flirting
with five hundred this season or thereabouts. Next up, let's
go back to college football. Arch Manning and Texas people
are fired up. Obviously, the Texas Ohio State game to
start the season. But interestingly, Mac Brown, the former Texas
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head coach.
Speaker 11 (18:40):
You know, obviously he ended up at North Carolina. He's
seen some NFL quarterbacks. But this is an interesting comp
for arch Manning from Mac Brown.
Speaker 12 (18:50):
He's very humble, he said, it's too much has been
written about me, No more than I've accomplished. I mean,
he is kind of deprecating, but I like it. He's
a whole lot like Vince at the same age. I
was so impressed with him. At media Day, Steve Spurrier said,
if he'd been that good, he would have started over
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quin yours. And they asked him about it and he said, oh,
coach Spurry is a great coach.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Next question, right about that?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Well, I think one of the things that's really impressive
about him is that I think he's more talented than
Quinn yours and he didn't transfer, and he never talked
about it. There There is something to be said about
everybody's great in life when they get their own way.
How does dad act at the little league game when
your kid strikes out in a bad call? How do
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you act when things don't go your way? That's maturity.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Everybody's a great guy when they get what they want.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
In a business deal. And Arch Manning didn't get his
way last year. He sat behind the guy who was
more talented. No complaining, no transferring, no leveraging, just said
all the right stuff. That's that's told me so much
about him before he ever takes a snap. Self awareness
iq EQ is through the roof, Like the rest of
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the me Manning family.
Speaker 11 (20:09):
I just wonder.
Speaker 10 (20:10):
I mean, Vince Young had one of the great college
football seasons in the history of the sport. Yeah, he's
a legend in Austin, will be forever. That's a little
high for Arch Banning, is it not? Like?
Speaker 11 (20:21):
Hey, he reminds me of Vince Young, the greatest ever.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
In Texas college football history?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Right?
Speaker 11 (20:26):
Is that fair to say? I mean Vince Young, Well.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
They were stylistically two totally different players. I mean, Vince
was much more dangerous running. I mean, Vince's is the
best high school football tape I've ever seen in my life.
Vince Young's high school football tape. It looked like he
was a twenty eight year old NFL player against seventeen
year olds.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
They just different.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But I never trusted Vince from the pocket, but when
he would take off lights out, whereas I think Arch
can move, but he'll be more of a guy that
sits and distributes.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
All right, Colin, Let's go to the final story, and
that is is back to the NFL more bow Knicks chatter.
His coach Sean Payton told the media that Nicks sought
out another quarterback this offseason that Sean Payton is familiar with.
Speaker 11 (21:12):
Take a listen.
Speaker 13 (21:14):
He's someone that works his tail off, wants to improve.
You know, the whole off season is planned out. You know,
he's gone and visited Breeze for four or five days
and that's Tom House in here. And there's a lot
that he wants to absorb in a fast period of time.
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And that's a great thing for a young player like that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yeah, you don't have to prod him. He just doesn't.
Speaker 10 (21:45):
Well, it sounds it sounds very much like me and sports. Anyways,
we got to charge here, Colin, Are you ready for this?
Our staff found first year under Peyton.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Look at bow.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
Nicks and Drew Brees, Drew Brees with the Saints. Look
at how identical those numbers. That's that's scary. How similar
bow Knicks was last year to Drew Brees' first year
with the Saints in two thousand and six.
Speaker 11 (22:08):
I'm not, you know, we always thought the Knicks didn't have.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
The highest ceiling.
Speaker 11 (22:12):
I don't. I mean we didn't think that for Drew Brees.
Speaker 10 (22:15):
Although you and I were not together in two thousand
and six doing the show, Breeze ended.
Speaker 11 (22:19):
Up being like an all time great.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
He's all over the record books. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
No, I mean, kid, I think I think the comp
is accurate. I think Breeze is a more naturally accurate thrower.
I think bow Knicks is a he is really athletic.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I think Bow. I mean, they're about the same size.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
They're both accurate, though Breeze arguably he's the most accurate
quarterback I've seen.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I think they play a lot alike. I think at.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Early Breeze was more mobile than late Breeze. Neither one
have huge arms, but both can make all the throws. Yeah,
I mean, I think that's why I said before the draft,
bow Knicks to Sean Payton is the draft spot like
it just it works.
Speaker 10 (23:06):
I learned my lesson last year betting against bow Knicks.
A bunch didn't go great for me. When I went
against Bonnix and Denver.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, they have to create a more functional run game,
and that's why they went. A lot of people criticize
their second round pick was Harvey the Kid, the running back,
and people thought they was a little overdrafted.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But I'm always kind of anytime.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
You give a young quarterback a running back, if you're
going to reach on something, I think that's the position.
So you know, I mean, I think every year that
Sean Payton has been there, the roster's gotten better. So
we saw bow Knicks with an income, they were still
they were still rebuilding the team. I think Mims will
be better in year two. He'll be more dependable and
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more consistent. So I think that if you told me,
I mean honestly, if there's a team in the league
that won twelve or thirteen games and you were like,
that's kind of surprising, it wouldn't shock me. With Denver,
I mean, I think they have that kind of I mean,
you go look at last year. They were an incomplete
team last year. Now there's nothing they're really not capable of.
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They don't have a weakness the dead cat.
Speaker 11 (24:13):
Money from Russell Wilson, but twelve.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
Or thirteen in that division that would shock me.
Speaker 11 (24:17):
Twelve or thirteen wins, twelve.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And five possible? Wow, possible. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the
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Speaker 1 (24:45):
How about this story, Jmack, here's a heater. According to
SBJA Sports Business Journal, Realignment Watch sources say North Carolina
is among the schools exploring of move from the ACC,
which is dreadful to the SEC as their likely target
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under Chancellor Lee Roberts and their incoming AD. The tar
Heels are leading the pack along with Clemson. If I
was the SEC, I would want Clemson in North Carolina.
Clemson's a football power, Carolina's basketball it's a huge brand.
So we're going this is what's happening, folks. Clemson and
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Carolina are moving to the SEC. Florida State's probably still
complaining about something, and I just think you get the
basketball program of North Carolina and the brand, and I
think Clemson's a rock solid Clemson feels like an SEC program,
to be honest with you. And I think Notre Dame
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is eventually going to move from the ACC. They're going
to break that deal. They're going to go to the
Big Ten. That's my take. Remember Oregon and Washington initially
weren't in the Big Ten. Remember the Big Ten took
USC and UCLA and they get full benefits. Washington and
Oregon get like half benefits for several years. So, you know,
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somebody always gets left out, you know when when you
know Nebraska went to the Big Ten and Kansas got
left out because at the time all they had was basketball.
Their football stunk. But now they have a pretty good coach.
Somebody always gets left out. I honestly feel bad. I
always have for Utah because I think Utah has got
a really good football program and really good facilities and
really good boosters. I've been to half a dozen Utah
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games over the course of my life. It's a great environment,
great fans. But you know, the Big Twelves got you know,
it's the Big Twelves much better than the ACC, ACC
is Clemson and everybody else. So and I think It's
fair to say that when Belichick was interviewing for this job,
they probably laid out their vision and it was getting
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out of the ACC. The ACC is a wonderful academic conference,
but if you take Caroline and then clems it out,
you know, the football infrastructure feels pretty weak. So this
is this is really what we're getting in college football.
We're getting like the AFC and the NFC in pro football.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
That's what we're doing here.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
We're going to have I mean, each SEC school gets
fifty one million in rev share, an ac C school
gets forty five. And the difference is the SEC is
going to grow faster as you bring the new schools in.
So you can say, well, what about Miami. Miami hasn't
won a Natty in twenty four years. They've got one
massive booster. It's a sexy program, but they're you know,
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they don't know, they don't they don't bring Let's be
honest about Miami. Nobody goes to their football games. They're
lousy in attendance. You know, it's just Carolina is a
bigger brand. Miami's got one really wealthy booster, mister Luiz,
who you know, has put.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
A lot a lot of money into it.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But now, meanwhile, I think Sark, I think Nick Saban
is going from college to the NFL because there's so
much fluidity and so much movement the portal ni L
changing conferences. I asked Sark earlier today, who's friends with Saban?
I said, what do you make of the discussion of
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Saban going to the NFL.
Speaker 14 (28:29):
You already have him in Cleveland. I heard you. You
already have Nick Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
He's coaching Arch.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
I got I only have Arch for one year. Shoot,
I'm gonna have him for two.
Speaker 14 (28:39):
I think he feels really comfortable to me. You know,
he's really good on TV. I think he enjoys what
he gets to do. He's playing a ton of golf,
which which which he loves doing.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
I'm sure, I'm sure.
Speaker 14 (28:50):
You know, Miss Terry loves having him at home. So
I know he's one of, if not the most competitive
person I've ever been around. Some sort of those competitive
juices get flowing pretty good. But man, he looks like
he's having a lot of fun do a television. He
looks relaxed, and he's great for our sport. You know,
I know people are love tuning into to hear his
inside on all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So we have two major changes happening in our American
sports landscape, the Live Tour and the PGA Tour. People
complain about it, but I will say, you know, I
watched Bryce and Deshamba at the Open. You know, he
took the live money. He's still in the big tournaments.
And Rory McElroy. I watched them winning Augusta. That's as
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much fun as I've had watching a golf tournament. So,
you know, everybody complained about the Live Tour and the PGA,
and I do wish they'd kind of get back together.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I think there.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I mean, I watched Live, I watched the PGA, watched
the Masters, and you know the Open and US Open.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I mean, you know, everybody does so.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
And then we have this big change in college football
where we disbanded basically the Pac twelve conference, the one
I grew up with. I didn't love it, but I
had talked about that with friends for years. I'm like,
nobody's going to the games, it's running the conference. The
USC was complaining privately about not making any more money
than Washington State and Oregon State, And in the end,
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this is just the reality. Follow the money, the Live Tour,
PGA follow the money. Had the PGA for years treated
their great golfers better. Maybe they don't go to the
Live Tour, but they did. They're still there. I still
like watching them. And in college football, we're going to
have two major conferences and they're eventually and I think
it's they should. If you have a twelve team playoff,
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you know, I I want, I want, you know, seven
or eight of the teams to come from the big
ten in the SEC. You know, we always talk ourselves
into college football the parody. You've got to get the
Indiana Hoosiers into the you got to get them into
the playoff. And then we watched that game and after
about like two series, you're like, yeah, they can't really
compete with Notre Dame. So I think that's that's going
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to be the real tug of war is when the
big ten in the SEC as they're going into monster conferences.
How many automatic bids do they get? So I've never
bought into this. Hawaii deserves to be in the Sugar Bowl.
I watched them play Georgia. They got boat raced. We
all know, if you're not a top twelve recruiting machine,
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in college football, you have no chance to win the
national championship. You can go look at the last twenty
national champions there may only be one that wasn't a
top ten to twelve recruiting power. That's why Clemson, I think,
is really good this year, but they've said no thanks
to the portal and the NIL and I think it's hard.
There's just too many good players in the portal that
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can make you better at weaknesses very quickly. If Ohio
State's doing it, you know, if Notre Dame and George
is doing it, I'd be doing it too. Clemson's not.
So the story is Clemson and Carolina could be going
to the SEC. I completely believe those stories, and I
think Notre Dame will eventually go to the Big Ten.
(31:59):
I think you really think Cal's going to stay in
the ACC? Does that feel like a natural? I mean
some of those things just aren't. They're just not gonna
last very long. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:07):
I think that's a great point, like how does the
Big Ten counter the SEC potentially adding Clemson or North Carolina?
Speaker 11 (32:13):
And I think they go after Notre Dame.
Speaker 10 (32:15):
That's the logical move, right, I mean, Notre Dame fits
a Big Ten academically, athletically, it's just a seamless fit.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah yeah, I mean a Notre Dame fits the Big Ten,
and Notre Dame has always been sort of we're going
to do our own thing. Okay, we'll play a partial
schedule with the ACC. ACC now is second tier and
Notre Dame doesn't want to be second tier with anything.
But if Carolina and Clemson leave, it's duke basketball and
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a couple.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Notre Dame games.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I mean, I think Notre Dame and Clemson just signed
a twelve year contract to play a bunch of times.
We'll see how that works out, all right, We'll see tomorrow.
Tomorrow's Friday.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
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and he is joining us live, So let's just start.
He'll be calling games NFL games this fall on Fox.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And I want to start with.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The Caleb thing. He didn't have a good practice yesterday.
Whatever it happens. He did go out and he publicly stated, Mark, hey,
I'm gonna throw. I wanna throw for this many yards
and I want to complete this many passes.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
What did you make of that? I didn't love it.
Not think of it this way.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
The two paste is kind of out of the tube
and it's really hard to put it back in. What
politician comes up and says, hey, I'm going to cut
inflation by this percent by this date.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Nobody does that.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
They just say, hey, we're going to attack inflation and
bring it down, right, so saying I'm going to work
on my completion percentage. Hey, I got to get rid
of the ball sooner and avoid some of those sacks.
I could pick up a couple free completions by checking
the ball down sooner to eliminate some of those sacks.
That's just generally kind of what you want to hear.
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But now there's this benchmark out there, and every game
he doesn't throw for seventy percent in that market, you
know people are going to say, well, then it's a failure.
Think of it this way. There's thirty two NFL teams.
The Eagles won the Super Bowl last year. Thirty one
teams had a failed season. So if that's the goal
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and you publicly state the goal, it makes it really
hard when you don't achieve those numbers. So I don't
love that it came out publicly. I don't think he
was you know, I think he was just kind of talking.
And it's one of those things as you mature in
the league and stuff, you don't have to put specific benchmark,
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you know, notable numbers on paper and out there for
people like us to talk about and then eventually judge
you by. So I remember doing that with Brian Schottenheimer. Though,
we'd say, you know, you want to throw for around
thirty five hundred yards, you want to be right at
about thirty touchdowns would be awesome, and ten or less
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interceptions would be a really really good year. That's that's
Those are kind of benchmark numbers that we'd like to hit.
But if we're gonna say you gotta throw for four
thousand yards and you gotta be seventy percent completions, well
then in practice you got to be completing I don't
know ninety percent of your pasth And you know, look
(03:02):
at Burrow last year, he threw for forty nine hundred.
He threw for almost five thousand yards and missed the playoffs.
So Jalen Hurts won the Super Bowl and he didn't
even throw for three thousand. So it's not necessarily that
specific number, whether it's yards or completion percentage. I just
wish for his sake he didn't publicly state that. You know,
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coaches are different, there are. McVeigh is very positive, he's
a very uplifting personality.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I think Matt Lafleur's got some of that. I think
Sean Payton can bark a little bit. Andy Reids dont
in practice, Sean could be tough. He called out Russell Wilson.
There was a conflict of personalities, not just offense. Ben
Johnson is pretty kurt. He's pretty bottom line.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
And I go back to your career.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Did you ever have a coach that was pretty bottom
line and did it play in your head?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Was it difficult?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Mark?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I think whether it's coach Sarkisian being around John Gruden
for the time I was around for a little bit,
you need to be tested and it's not scripted, but
there will be times during training camp.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
This is the time of year to create scenarios that
are very.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Difficult for your quarterback and you want him to experience
that feel all the emotions associated with that, either embarrassment
or you know, the nerves. The guys are looking at me,
coaches are screaming at me. Okay, well now what who
are you in that moment? Because there's gonna be seventy
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thousand people in the crowd, millions of people watching, you know,
eleven guys trying to rip your head off on the
other team. You got ten guys in your huddle that
you got to get on the right page, lined up correctly,
know all their assignments, understand what's happening with a play clock,
with a scenario, with the situation, and nothing happens till
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you hike the ball.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Till you say, said Hu.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
So I think the coaches at this time of year
try to manufacture some of those scenarios and generate some
of those emotions to make sure your quarterback is dialed.
And it sounds like you know Ben Johnson from the
people I've talked to. I don't know him personally, but
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he doesn't have the longest vius right. He's a short
fused guy.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And if you don't show up, you know, with the
right clothes on.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
At the right time, like, there's no excuse, Like there's
a level of efficacy that you have to show up with.
And if you don't get out of here, and if
you can't call the play, if you can't get lined up,
if you can't get guys realigned when they screw up,
you can't play for me. So you gotta go case Keenum,
get in here, come in and play now. Does that
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mean Caleb's never gonna play again?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Of course not.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
But it's just one of those reminders that hey, dude,
there's a new sheriff in town.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
We got standards here and they've been raised.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
So meet the standard or get the hell out of
my face, basically, And some of that I think is
good in Dosets, I think it's good all the time.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Probably not so I've said I worry that Joe Burrow
could become Matt Stafford gifted, but upstairs executive suite ownerships
not helping him. I look at a former Trojan, Carson
Palmer had the Bengals the Raiders in Arizona when he
got Bruce Arians for a few years, the guy had
seventy touchdown passes that over. We don't we think that
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the quarterbacks the most important. But he needs a left tackle,
he needs the right coach, and good ownership matters. And
I think in the last year, Mark I've seen Joe
Burrow be frustrated at the podium like a half a
dozen times, frustrated with his organization. And I mean, you're
in a situation where some stuff upstairs with the Jets.
(07:01):
Let's just be totally honest, that aren't ideal. Can that
wear on a player, especially a quarterback, in the face
of the franchise. Did I thought Burrow last year. I'm like, Wow,
he is frustrated. And I don't think it's with teammates.
I think it's upstairs. Does that stuff weigh on players?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I think players who have a pretty good scope of
the bigger picture, and the longer I played, the more
I understood. Just like anything more experience gives you more knowledge.
It's hard enough to get it first down on third
and six, to orchestrate a fifteen play drive, convert multiple
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third downs, throw a touchdown pass. I mean those things
are really hard. You train six days and multiple days
in the offseason just to get one drive right. So
if that's hard, why do we add more stuff to
our plate? Like this dude, Trey Hendrickson has outperformed all
(08:02):
these guys, whether it's Max Crosby, Daniel Hunter and Miles Garrett,
all these guys getting contracts, and it's like, why is
he not here?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Why do I even have to talk about this?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
You know, as a quarterback a lot like you know
the president once again, this analogy, but you get briefed
on stuff that's going on and what you're about to
face at the podium, and most of the time you're
falling on the sword. You're trying to put out fires.
You're you know, killing the media with cliches. But at
a certain point it just gets old and annoying and frustrating,
(08:39):
and it's like, can we just talk about football, Like,
let's just get the guys here that are on the team,
that should be here, the really good players.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
We try not to let them leave. Let's go play some.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Ball, you know, and everybody at this point of the
year is ready for that. You know, nobody wants to
do the interviews talking about, Hey what about the guy
holding out? Now, we had that happen with Darrell Reavis,
and people understood there's a business side to it, and
then there's the teammates side, you know, trying to win games,
shared struggle. All that we understood. We weren't worried about
(09:11):
Darrell Reeves. I don't think they're worried about Trey Henderson.
But it just gets annoying talking about stuff like that. So,
you know, it's the same team that you know, Carson
Palmer retired from football. He literally said, one of the
best players to ever play just decided, hey, no, I'm
not going back there. So I think it's you know,
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they're trying their best with the head coaching quarterback to
change some of that culture, and it's not always easy.
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Speaker 3 (10:52):
So go to your last year in football. Aaron's getting older.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I saw stat the other day quarterbacks over forty of
one twelve playoff games. Braddy's one, so take him out.
He's the outlier. It just gets tougher. And we were
talking about this earlier with j Mac. The season's now
seventeen games, it's longer, it's harder, and was your body
better earlier late? Like with Aaron, like go back to
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your last year, which did it take you a while?
Like when did you feel your best preseason or week fifteen?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
I think as you age, you kind of find your rhythm,
and unfortunately, I feel like the warm up and the
cool down take longer than the workout.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
That's when you know you're a little bit older.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Because you see some of those guys walk out to
the field like some younger quarterbacks or whatever, and they
just kind of hit one of these and Okay, I'm good,
let's go, and you're like, what the hell, huh, how's this.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Guy ready to play? I got twenty more minutes just
to stretchy.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I gotta get the bands going, I gotta activate all
this stuff. So you get into your own routine and
you start to fill your body. Same thing with the
offseason program. Some guys, you know, the day after their
season ends, they take one day off and then start
working out again. You know, that works for some guys,
not for everybody, and it's not going to work like
that forever.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
So a guy like Aaron at this.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Point, you know, it's more of checking the boxes, making
sure I've hit all the things I needed to hit
along the way. I've got the reps in, I've got
the throws in, I know what I'm prepared to do,
and just give me the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Let's go. Tell me when the game is like, I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
So it takes longer, I think, like day by day,
but the big picture, the big scope of understanding how
to ramp up and crescendo right into the season and
make sure you can last those guys, I mean, somebody
like Aaron he's got.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
A down PAP.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Finally, I'm kind of rooting for Shanor Sanders because I
just think it's a fascinating story. Do camp statistics matter
for a quarterback? Now you're you're going against backups, but
you're often throwing to backups. If a guy goes eleven
for twelve in camp, what does it mean? Like, what
do you, as a guy who played in this league
for a decade, what do you look for for from
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cam Ward or Dylan Gabriel or a young quote? What
do you look at and go, oh, that's real. I
can put my stamp that's that's real?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Or is anything.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
At this point?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
You know, I know it's become common for people at
practice to chart.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
You know, seven on seven the guy was seven for ten,
he was.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Eight for ten, whatever, Yes, it matters right that you
want to complete well, you don't want to go over
ten right in seven online? That's pretty embarrassing. In seven
on seven, you know, you got to be hitting eighty
percent of your passes. I mean, there's no rush the
ball out on time. That's just kind of that's like
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if we're not there there's a problem, and you can
tell practice doesn't feel right for these young guys.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
They are.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
They're trying to learn what success feels like. They're trying
to understand that it's okay to miss the throw and
bounce right back the next play. Sure, the statistics matter,
I think the bigger statistic is the four quarterbacks they
got in that room. If anybody goes down in August September,
they got they got capital. They got quarterback capital right
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there that can potentially go somewhere and play. So I
look at that room as you know, those four guys
might not finish the season there, and you know, I
don't think it has anything to do with injury. I
think they might send somebody somewhere and get a couple
of picks for next year. So the better you perform,
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the better you're.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Doing on tape.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yes, of course you want to stack, complete stack good
practices and learn what that feels like. But I don't
think preseason, especially the way it's structured now, is a
true indicator of your success during the regular season.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It's it's it's not everything. It's something, it's not everything.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I know that's one of your phrases, but yeah, If
he's missing every throw, I think there'd be a problem.
If he's completing every throw, that's great. Let's just keep
it up. So I think you're right because of his name,
because of the story. It's interesting. But you know, stats
aren't aren't the only indicator of success. But that's that's
kind of the battle he's fighting right now.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Mark's great stuff. Games are right around the corner. In fact,
I think next Thursday is the Hall of Fame game.
If I if I let's go, let's go. Good to
see anybody.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Appreciate it? You bet?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, the saying, I've always believed in everything is something,
nothing is everything, So it doesn't matter if you're in
my business, you're in law, you're recruiting for technology. During
an interview, everything is a tell. Everything's a little something,
but nothing's everything. People have had bad interviews and ended
up being great employees.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Jay Maric with a news no, no.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
On the news. This is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
The staff comes to me with all these stories and
they just happen to be about teams you love.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Let's start with the New England Patriots.
Speaker 10 (16:29):
Colin, you are extremely bullish on this squad, well, second
year of quarterback Drake May said something interesting about this
year's camp and his teammates.
Speaker 11 (16:37):
Take a listen.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
I think you've got guys around here that are tired
of losing around here and the guys that want to win.
I think that's what excites me most. We guys want
to win around here. I think in the past two
or three years around here, in the past year. For me,
I go speak for myself, but I think these guys
around here there are tired of losing, want to.
Speaker 11 (16:52):
Win, tired of losing, tired Patriots.
Speaker 10 (16:56):
I was like, oh, two decades of dynasty action with Belichick.
I mean, Drake May, that's how young he is coming.
We're tired of losing around here, Like two years.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well, I you know, Drake May's sort of been lost,
so Neck made Bownicks made the playoffs. Everybody's like, Wow,
Jayden Daniels was great. Wow, JJ McCarthy. We don't know,
Caleb misfired. I think I'm not sure if people paid
attention Ryan look at his numbers last year. I thought
(17:27):
Drake May, he kind of got lost on a bad
team and he was overshadowed by how great Jayden Daniels
was and bow Knicks. Both those guys put very good numbers.
In fact, Bow's numbers in terms of total yards, completions,
touchdowns was better than Jayden Daniels. And we didn't I
didn't sit and watch every second of every Patriot game.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
He he made a leap last year. He was pretty
interesting late in the year, pretty good player. Well remember
the coach.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
Was just did some buffoonery where he was like, yeah,
the best quarterback starting, and he didn't start Drake May.
Remember at the beginning of season. Then May comes in
like midway through and is like, oh, this guy's really good,
and then they fire the coach, so he's kind of
starting over. I mean, I don't think this is that
out of a take. Like bo Nicks is talented, Drake
May has way more talent and is going to be
a better quart I think he is a higher ceiling
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without question. Like Knis is off to a good start.
He's got Sean Payton. You know, let's see what what
May does with the Patriots. Feels like they'll be flirting
with five hundred this season or thereabouts. Next up, let's
go back to college football. Arch Manning and Texas people
are fired up. Obviously, the Texas Ohio State game to
start the season. But interestingly, Mac Brown, the former Texas
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head coach.
Speaker 11 (18:40):
You know, obviously he ended up at North Carolina. He's
seen some NFL quarterbacks. But this is an interesting comp
for arch Manning from Mac Brown.
Speaker 12 (18:50):
He's very humble, he said, it's too much has been
written about me, No more than I've accomplished. I mean,
he is kind of deprecating, but I like it. He's
a whole lot like Vince at the same age. I
was so impressed with him. At media Day, Steve Spurrier said,
if he'd been that good, he would have started over
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quin yours. And they asked him about it and he said, oh,
coach Spurry is a great coach.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Next question, right about that?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Well, I think one of the things that's really impressive
about him is that I think he's more talented than
Quinn yours and he didn't transfer, and he never talked
about it. There There is something to be said about
everybody's great in life when they get their own way.
How does dad act at the little league game when
your kid strikes out in a bad call? How do
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you act when things don't go your way? That's maturity.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Everybody's a great guy when they get what they want.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
In a business deal. And Arch Manning didn't get his
way last year. He sat behind the guy who was
more talented. No complaining, no transferring, no leveraging, just said
all the right stuff. That's that's told me so much
about him before he ever takes a snap. Self awareness
iq EQ is through the roof, Like the rest of
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the me Manning family.
Speaker 11 (20:09):
I just wonder.
Speaker 10 (20:10):
I mean, Vince Young had one of the great college
football seasons in the history of the sport. Yeah, he's
a legend in Austin, will be forever. That's a little
high for Arch Banning, is it not? Like?
Speaker 11 (20:21):
Hey, he reminds me of Vince Young, the greatest ever.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
In Texas college football history?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Right?
Speaker 11 (20:26):
Is that fair to say? I mean Vince Young, Well.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
They were stylistically two totally different players. I mean, Vince
was much more dangerous running. I mean, Vince's is the
best high school football tape I've ever seen in my life.
Vince Young's high school football tape. It looked like he
was a twenty eight year old NFL player against seventeen
year olds.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
They just different.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But I never trusted Vince from the pocket, but when
he would take off lights out, whereas I think Arch
can move, but he'll be more of a guy that
sits and distributes.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
All right, Colin, Let's go to the final story, and
that is is back to the NFL more bow Knicks chatter.
His coach Sean Payton told the media that Nicks sought
out another quarterback this offseason that Sean Payton is familiar with.
Speaker 11 (21:12):
Take a listen.
Speaker 13 (21:14):
He's someone that works his tail off, wants to improve.
You know, the whole off season is planned out. You know,
he's gone and visited Breeze for four or five days
and that's Tom House in here. And there's a lot
that he wants to absorb in a fast period of time.
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And that's a great thing for a young player like that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yeah, you don't have to prod him. He just doesn't.
Speaker 10 (21:45):
Well, it sounds it sounds very much like me and sports. Anyways,
we got to charge here, Colin, Are you ready for this?
Our staff found first year under Peyton.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Look at bow.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
Nicks and Drew Brees, Drew Brees with the Saints. Look
at how identical those numbers. That's that's scary. How similar
bow Knicks was last year to Drew Brees' first year
with the Saints in two thousand and six.
Speaker 11 (22:08):
I'm not, you know, we always thought the Knicks didn't have.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
The highest ceiling.
Speaker 11 (22:12):
I don't. I mean we didn't think that for Drew Brees.
Speaker 10 (22:15):
Although you and I were not together in two thousand
and six doing the show, Breeze ended.
Speaker 11 (22:19):
Up being like an all time great.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
He's all over the record books. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
No, I mean, kid, I think I think the comp
is accurate. I think Breeze is a more naturally accurate thrower.
I think bow Knicks is a he is really athletic.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I think Bow. I mean, they're about the same size.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
They're both accurate, though Breeze arguably he's the most accurate
quarterback I've seen.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I think they play a lot alike. I think at.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Early Breeze was more mobile than late Breeze. Neither one
have huge arms, but both can make all the throws. Yeah,
I mean, I think that's why I said before the draft,
bow Knicks to Sean Payton is the draft spot like
it just it works.
Speaker 10 (23:06):
I learned my lesson last year betting against bow Knicks.
A bunch didn't go great for me. When I went
against Bonnix and Denver.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, they have to create a more functional run game,
and that's why they went. A lot of people criticize
their second round pick was Harvey the Kid, the running back,
and people thought they was a little overdrafted.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But I'm always kind of anytime.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
You give a young quarterback a running back, if you're
going to reach on something, I think that's the position.
So you know, I mean, I think every year that
Sean Payton has been there, the roster's gotten better. So
we saw bow Knicks with an income, they were still
they were still rebuilding the team. I think Mims will
be better in year two. He'll be more dependable and
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more consistent. So I think that if you told me,
I mean honestly, if there's a team in the league
that won twelve or thirteen games and you were like,
that's kind of surprising, it wouldn't shock me. With Denver,
I mean, I think they have that kind of I mean,
you go look at last year. They were an incomplete
team last year. Now there's nothing they're really not capable of.
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They don't have a weakness the dead cat.
Speaker 11 (24:13):
Money from Russell Wilson, but twelve.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
Or thirteen in that division that would shock me.
Speaker 11 (24:17):
Twelve or thirteen wins, twelve.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And five possible? Wow, possible. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
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Speaker 6 (24:30):
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Speaker 1 (24:45):
How about this story, Jmack, here's a heater. According to
SBJA Sports Business Journal, Realignment Watch sources say North Carolina
is among the schools exploring of move from the ACC,
which is dreadful to the SEC as their likely target
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under Chancellor Lee Roberts and their incoming AD. The tar
Heels are leading the pack along with Clemson. If I
was the SEC, I would want Clemson in North Carolina.
Clemson's a football power, Carolina's basketball it's a huge brand.
So we're going this is what's happening, folks. Clemson and
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Carolina are moving to the SEC. Florida State's probably still
complaining about something, and I just think you get the
basketball program of North Carolina and the brand, and I
think Clemson's a rock solid Clemson feels like an SEC program,
to be honest with you. And I think Notre Dame
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is eventually going to move from the ACC. They're going
to break that deal. They're going to go to the
Big Ten. That's my take. Remember Oregon and Washington initially
weren't in the Big Ten. Remember the Big Ten took
USC and UCLA and they get full benefits. Washington and
Oregon get like half benefits for several years. So, you know,
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somebody always gets left out, you know when when you
know Nebraska went to the Big Ten and Kansas got
left out because at the time all they had was basketball.
Their football stunk. But now they have a pretty good coach.
Somebody always gets left out. I honestly feel bad. I
always have for Utah because I think Utah has got
a really good football program and really good facilities and
really good boosters. I've been to half a dozen Utah
(26:33):
games over the course of my life. It's a great environment,
great fans. But you know, the Big Twelves got you know,
it's the Big Twelves much better than the ACC, ACC
is Clemson and everybody else. So and I think It's
fair to say that when Belichick was interviewing for this job,
they probably laid out their vision and it was getting
(26:54):
out of the ACC. The ACC is a wonderful academic conference,
but if you take Caroline and then clems it out,
you know, the football infrastructure feels pretty weak. So this
is this is really what we're getting in college football.
We're getting like the AFC and the NFC in pro football.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
That's what we're doing here.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
We're going to have I mean, each SEC school gets
fifty one million in rev share, an ac C school
gets forty five. And the difference is the SEC is
going to grow faster as you bring the new schools in.
So you can say, well, what about Miami. Miami hasn't
won a Natty in twenty four years. They've got one
massive booster. It's a sexy program, but they're you know,
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they don't know, they don't they don't bring Let's be
honest about Miami. Nobody goes to their football games. They're
lousy in attendance. You know, it's just Carolina is a
bigger brand. Miami's got one really wealthy booster, mister Luiz,
who you know, has put.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
A lot a lot of money into it.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But now, meanwhile, I think Sark, I think Nick Saban
is going from college to the NFL because there's so
much fluidity and so much movement the portal ni L
changing conferences. I asked Sark earlier today, who's friends with Saban?
I said, what do you make of the discussion of
(28:26):
Saban going to the NFL.
Speaker 14 (28:29):
You already have him in Cleveland. I heard you. You
already have Nick Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
He's coaching Arch.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
I got I only have Arch for one year. Shoot,
I'm gonna have him for two.
Speaker 14 (28:39):
I think he feels really comfortable to me. You know,
he's really good on TV. I think he enjoys what
he gets to do. He's playing a ton of golf,
which which which he loves doing.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
I'm sure, I'm sure.
Speaker 14 (28:50):
You know, Miss Terry loves having him at home. So
I know he's one of, if not the most competitive
person I've ever been around. Some sort of those competitive
juices get flowing pretty good. But man, he looks like
he's having a lot of fun do a television. He
looks relaxed, and he's great for our sport. You know,
I know people are love tuning into to hear his
inside on all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So we have two major changes happening in our American
sports landscape, the Live Tour and the PGA Tour. People
complain about it, but I will say, you know, I
watched Bryce and Deshamba at the Open. You know, he
took the live money. He's still in the big tournaments.
And Rory McElroy. I watched them winning Augusta. That's as
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much fun as I've had watching a golf tournament. So,
you know, everybody complained about the Live Tour and the PGA,
and I do wish they'd kind of get back together.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I think there.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I mean, I watched Live, I watched the PGA, watched
the Masters, and you know the Open and US Open.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I mean, you know, everybody does so.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
And then we have this big change in college football
where we disbanded basically the Pac twelve conference, the one
I grew up with. I didn't love it, but I
had talked about that with friends for years. I'm like,
nobody's going to the games, it's running the conference. The
USC was complaining privately about not making any more money
than Washington State and Oregon State, And in the end,
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this is just the reality. Follow the money, the Live Tour,
PGA follow the money. Had the PGA for years treated
their great golfers better. Maybe they don't go to the
Live Tour, but they did. They're still there. I still
like watching them. And in college football, we're going to
have two major conferences and they're eventually and I think
it's they should. If you have a twelve team playoff,
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you know, I I want, I want, you know, seven
or eight of the teams to come from the big
ten in the SEC. You know, we always talk ourselves
into college football the parody. You've got to get the
Indiana Hoosiers into the you got to get them into
the playoff. And then we watched that game and after
about like two series, you're like, yeah, they can't really
compete with Notre Dame. So I think that's that's going
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to be the real tug of war is when the
big ten in the SEC as they're going into monster conferences.
How many automatic bids do they get? So I've never
bought into this. Hawaii deserves to be in the Sugar Bowl.
I watched them play Georgia. They got boat raced. We
all know, if you're not a top twelve recruiting machine,
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in college football, you have no chance to win the
national championship. You can go look at the last twenty
national champions there may only be one that wasn't a
top ten to twelve recruiting power. That's why Clemson, I think,
is really good this year, but they've said no thanks
to the portal and the NIL and I think it's hard.
There's just too many good players in the portal that
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can make you better at weaknesses very quickly. If Ohio
State's doing it, you know, if Notre Dame and George
is doing it, I'd be doing it too. Clemson's not.
So the story is Clemson and Carolina could be going
to the SEC. I completely believe those stories, and I
think Notre Dame will eventually go to the Big Ten.
(31:59):
I think you really think Cal's going to stay in
the ACC? Does that feel like a natural? I mean
some of those things just aren't. They're just not gonna
last very long. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:07):
I think that's a great point, like how does the
Big Ten counter the SEC potentially adding Clemson or North Carolina?
Speaker 11 (32:13):
And I think they go after Notre Dame.
Speaker 10 (32:15):
That's the logical move, right, I mean, Notre Dame fits
a Big Ten academically, athletically, it's just a seamless fit.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah yeah, I mean a Notre Dame fits the Big Ten,
and Notre Dame has always been sort of we're going
to do our own thing. Okay, we'll play a partial
schedule with the ACC. ACC now is second tier and
Notre Dame doesn't want to be second tier with anything.
But if Carolina and Clemson leave, it's duke basketball and
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a couple.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Notre Dame games.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I mean, I think Notre Dame and Clemson just signed
a twelve year contract to play a bunch of times.
We'll see how that works out, all right, We'll see tomorrow.
Tomorrow's Friday.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
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