July 25, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin talks to former head coach Dave Wannstedt about Williams issues in training camp and Nick Saban considering a return to the NFL
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
All right, here we go, it's our two. We got news, Jmack.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We started our show an hour ago talking about Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
So we had a bumpy.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Otah and three straight days he has scuffed and struggled.
Today two picks in the seven on seven red zone drill.
So that red zone is a place you do not
make mistakes. I'm sure at the front of the end
zone you throw it low. If it's at the back
of the end zone, you throw it high. You don't
throw picks in the red zone. He had two today.
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People are getting a lit still worked out and I
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Hey, JJ Watt, I'm sure you saw JJ Watt put
something on social It was alluded to your take on
Caleb Williams and you know, training camp picks and so forth,
and he kind of tried to pick it apart.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
And all these people think, oh, see coward drawing. It's
no big deal that Caleb Williams is messing up here.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Early on.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You guys, everything is something. Yeah, nothing is everything. But
Jade and Daniels last year at camp, Dan Quinn and
Cliff Kingsbury. First week of camp, we're saying publicly, oh
my god, this kid is miles ahead of where rookies are.
Sean Payton is texting me during camp. Last year, bo
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Nicks needs a few starts. He's gonna get good really fast.
By October, bow Knicks had a passer rating over one hundred.
Everything matters. I want to bring in the former Bears coach.
It's so apropos that we have Dave Wantat on the
show today. Six years Bears, five years, Dolphins thirty nine
years coaching football. So listen, you can give Caleb a
little bit of a pass for last year it was
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I mean, they had a three head coaches by the
end of it.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
But Dave.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
The critics of Caleb Williams said he plays too much
hero ball, he could struggle with accuracy, he could be
a little bit moody. So when I see with Ben
Johnson all of these things coming out at camp.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
He's not getting.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Plays in the footwork, he's again little hero ball holding
on the ball. It's something. Is I don't want to
hear that. It's nothing. Isn't it something?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Yes, it is. And I'll tell you this in training camp,
and you know I lived this. You know, we would
go through training camp and let's say we were struggling
running the football. We would say, well, it's just preseason,
it's just a training camp. Those things usually do show
up once you start playing for real, but it's early,
and I would just say this, Hey, let's keep in
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mind last year training him, he was a guy that
had a tough time getting a snap because he was
never up under center. I mean, this is how primitive
the whole pro passing game under center play action pass
was to this kid. So you know, I think it's
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a starting point there and then and then Ben does
everything by timing. By that, I mean it's one, two, three,
the balls coming out. Now you've got to get it
obviously to the right person, or it might be five
steps one two, three, four, five, and everything is tied
together from the line protection to the receiver routes and
the quarterback. So this is there is a learning process here.
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And I would probably say the biggest difference between here
and OTAs is now there's a pass rush and they're
not hitting the quarterback. But the Bears now are getting
a lot of pressure and probably putting the hands up,
and that's a little bit different from him because he's
throwing from a different spot. You go back to his
college days. Callin at USC this guy he saw more
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three man rush and more of a prevent defense than
any quarterback in college football because they knew it. He
wouldn't sit in the pocket. He was gonna scramble and
he was gonna try to throw it deep. So this
is now all of a sudden, it's playfake and it's
coming out one, two three. This is completely foreign to him.
I think he'll be fine. You know, I'm going up
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for a couple of days next week, so i'll get
a first hand looking sit. I'm gonna sit down with Ben.
We'll have a couple of good conversations.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I want to ask you about Mike McDaniel. So I
do think in this day and age, offensive coaches have
an advantage because all the rules lean offense. So it
does help to be an offensive coach Now, that doesn't
mean Sean McDermott can't be great, But even Belichick felt
a little out of touch his last four or five
years in New England. The whole darn league now is
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about quarterbacks and offensive coaches. And Mike McDaniel goes to
Miami and everybody loved him.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
He was quirky, he was unique.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
In my takeaway, now two three years later, is a
lot of sizzle, not a lot of steak.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
They don't run the ball.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's a lot of clever, it's a lot of multiple
sets in motion. I would move off Tyreek Hill. I
would get picks. I don't think it's working in Miami.
I don't think it is. You've been there. What are
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Well, you know two thoughts. Number one the Tyreek Hill situation.
I don't know. How do you have an outside shot
to go to the playoffs as a wildcard, which they
did last year and some things had a fall right,
But that last game if they win and two or
three things happened, and your best player, Tyreek Hill, does
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not go in the game, and they asked you that
at a press conference and you don't have an answer,
I'm still like taking back a little bit by that
response and the other thing that bothers me. And you
hit it right on the head. You know. Chris Breer
was all my staff when I was there. He was
one of my styleles great. I thought he was very good.
I don't know Mike as a head coach, but the
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players that they signed as free agents, the players that
they drafted. The first comment out of everybody's moth this
year at Miami was, he's a tough guy. Oh, we've
drafted the big tackle grant out of Michigan. But you
know why he is a tough guy. It's weak, it's
it's you know, I hate to say this, but it's
probably too late. It's like halfway through the season you
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decide that you want to run the football. It's too late.
That's training camp and now all of a sudden they
want to become a tough football team. I just don't.
I don't. It's going to be very difficult to turn
that mindset.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, you know, it's funny about guys like Kyle Shanahan,
Matt Lafleur, and Sean McVay. Even though they're offensive coaches,
they love the run game. They loved Shanahan and McVay
and Lafleur love power football, and so I think sometimes
I think McDaniel again, I just I understood the media
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falling for it, but it was a lot of motion
and a lot of stuff didn't matter. But the difference
between Shanahan and McDaniel because there's a lot of the
same offenses.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Shanahan runs the ball. He loves to run the ball,
and we all know.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
The quarterback is the key to all this stuff. At
the end of the day, who is down there saying
that he hasn't patched it up yet? He has a
problem with Tyreek Hill. They haven't really bonded since the
end of the season when Tyreek Hill said he didn't
want to have any to do with the Dolphins, he
didn't like their culture. Well, I'll tell you what happened
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to minicamps, Colin, what happened to OTAs. These guys had
six months to work through that problem, that issue, whatever
it is, to what extent, I don't know. But when
you got your starting quarterback coming out during training camp
saying I got a problem with we're not on the
same page, that's concernat the heck out of me.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
When I watched those old Dallas Cowboy Films, NFL Films,
and you were part of that great team with Jimmy Johnson.
And I hear Troy Aikman. Jimmy had left, Barry was there,
and and Troy is lighting guys up, and he's questioning
maturity on his teammates. He's questioning maturity. And I think
that takes That's why I like my quarterbacks sometimes to
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be a grown up. Here and Shadoor Sanders gets two tickets,
and finally Andrew Berry came out and said, that's just
not smart.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You don't have a dominant quarterback, You drafted two kids,
you got Kenny Pickett. What do you do with tickets?
How do you address it? As a coach? It would
be so hard for me to watch Sador Sanders and
not make judgments on him based on driving ninety miles
an hour as a fifth round rookie. Would I would
have a hard time looking at him the same way.
What do you make of what he did? And how
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how much do you think that will hurt his Cleveland experience?
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I think it's going to affect him. I'll tell you why.
You know he's a quarterback. If you're a defensive lineman.
It's still wrong, it still would concern you. But I'll
be honest with you, I've had defensive lineman that it's
kind of fallen into the same mentality. Always something you
know going on with the guy. No one ever talked
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about it. But your quarterback is the face of the
program and everything is going to be magnified that this
kid does. And the second thing that really bothers me is,
you know, and I'm sure Dion's told him this, son,
there's a reason that you fell from the first round
down to the fours and fifth round. There's a reason
for that. Okay, we cannot give these people any reason
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to think anything negative about you except football performance. If
the football performance isn't good enough, hey, that's it. But
don't give him any other reason. And here we go.
We got a reason to just put a real doubt
in your minds, not just for Cleveland, whether he's for
Cleveland or anybody else. There's a lot of gms that
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passed on this kid, a lot of gms that I'm
up to to draft him. Why. I don't know all
the details that this is just not good overall. I
don't think it's just another check to the box.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So you know, I was saying this this week and
it sounds weird. I said, the most important thing when
you take a job is your quarterback. That's why Harbaugh
took the Chargers, justin Herbert. But the second most important
thing is ownership. And I said, I think I would
take the Niners job, which has good ownership, and a
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which has great ownership and a good quarterback. Brought purty
over going to Cincinnati where Burrow's great, But I don't
trust the scouting department. I don't trust the ownership.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And I said, I.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Worry about Joe Burrow becoming Matt Stafford. We all know
he's great, but there's it's a circus of coaches. They
don't draft well enough. The organization at the top isn't
good enough. So I saw a story this week about
Joe Burrow. He was upset about more holdouts. How do
you think the Burrough thing? How do you think it
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plays out? Because Dave, he's the best quarterback. Last year,
there's an argument he was the league's best quarterback. He
was the best quarterback in the league and did not
make the playoffs. How did you are you worried that
he becomes Stafford in Detroit.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yes, absolutely, I think they have to be, you know,
because I don't know even with Henderson and their number
one draft picks hold out to right the past rusher
from Texas A and M. But I would say this,
I'm gonna just remind me of a little story. You know.
I worked for the Dolphins with coach Shula for six
weeks before Jimmy got the Dallas job, and Coach Shuler
told me, Tward, I'm gonna dispute your priorities here. He said,
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you know, the different day between this NFL job and
the in college. And I said, no, coach, and he said, well,
understand who the three most important people are in the NFL.
Number one year owner, number two your owner, and number
three year owner.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So that's just.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I don't know this coach if coach Schulan knew anything
then and then, but that was his philosophy. But I
would say to this, Okay, I don't know. It's a distraction.
The first thought that comes to my mind is it's
a distraction, and you do not Last year it was
receivers getting them signed, and man, the quickest way to
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be defeated. You've heard me say this when we did
shows together, is to be distracted, and right now this
football team is distracted. And you know, you know Mike
Brown said, yeah, we'll get him signed. I mean, he's
thirty years old. You know what the market is, what
what got and what Miles Garrett, you know what the
pay this guy because you know the reason when you
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have a good, a great offense like you have with
Burrow and that group of receivers, a great offense, it's
going to score points at the end of the game.
We always talk about you have to have defensive closers.
And who are your closers. It's your pass rushers, your
two pass rushers and your two corners. They're the guys.
If you don't have them, you have a tough time
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stopping people when they're throwing it. And you do have
the lead. That was the Dolphins problem for years with
Dan Marino. He did a lead, couldn't get off the
field on defense and they get on a score. I mean,
he's thirty years old, so you get three good years
of sim do a three year contract. This is my opinion, Simon,
do a three year contract and let Burrow you know,
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in three years, I mean, you know, I don't know.
It just bothers me that you would let this distraction.
I don't know what's going on with their number one pick,
the rookie, the defensive end. You know, language or something
I read somebody said, I don't know about these rookie
contracts anymore. You know what he's talking about with language.
But do you need these two guys in there? You
need him in there now?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, And it should be noted that when Hendrickson did
not play, they're like thirty second with a pass rush,
so he is their pass rush. Finally, Dave wants that
joining us. One of my favorite people. I've said this
with Nick Saban. He's not going back to college, Dave,
because with the nil you have to pay so much
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money for players fifteen million. You have to go to
your boosters to get fifteen million bucks. You're not going
to buy out a coach for sixty million, pay Nick
Saban seventy million, raise fifteen there's too much money. Now,
you're not going to fire your coach. Nick's not going
to coach college. He already did great there. But I
do think because of the way Miami ended, he would
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take a call. If arch Manning went to the Saints
or arch Manning went to Cleveland. I think he would
take the phone call.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Do you.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
He would take the phone call just because you know,
everybody wants to be wanted. Everybody wants to you know,
and I can speak from Jimmy. I mean, I'm not
getting into the teams. But even when Jimmy was into
Fox several years, okay, when he was done with it
all that, he called me one time in particular and
was offered so much money to run the whole thing,
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coach GM everything with the team, and he took the call,
you know, but obviously he didn't have any interest in
doing it. So I think that's where Nick's are at
right now, where Belichick's enjoying us. I saw Bill's press
conference and he's talking about going out and meeting with alumni.
How much he enjoyed going to other sports men's and
women's and meeting the student athletes. You know, it's new
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to Bill, So he's enjoying it right now. You know, Nick,
Nick's kind of going, He's traveled that road. I don't
see Nick getting back into it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
By the way, how do you think Belichick does.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I think he's gonna do good. You know, the biggest
and I did it with Pitt. When I went back
to Pitt and I had some really good players obviously,
you know Rebus and that company. What happens, though, is
you don't the restriction in colleage with classes and the
time you don't have them. Bill is such a perfectionist
and you know, do it over, do it over, meet more,
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watch more tape. The time restrictions in college are the
number one thing that gets you when you separate the
NFL from college football, in my opinion, and players aren't
gonna have it down as pat and they're going to
make mistakes and whether it be turning the ball over
or breaking coverages, things like that happen with colleage kids,
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which all of a sudden, you might be doing a
fabulous job coaching and you may have a lot of talent,
but they make a mistake because you can't spend the
time with them in colleage that you can in the NFL.
That's the hurdle he's going to have to get over.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, that's always been my point about Like I said, this,
Bill Walsh coached in college, but the college limitations limited
how brilliant Bill Walsh could be. But when you gave
them fifty hours a week or Belichick all that extra time.
Bill's the best defensive coach ever, Bill Walsh the best
offensive coach ever. If you told Andy Reid he only
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got seventeen hours a week, Andy Reid, he'd be pulling
his hair out.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Dave vaonstaut as always coach.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Great, seeing you, all right, see in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
All right?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
You know, I think that's the point I've always felt
about why all great NFL coaches wouldn't work the scheme.
Guys like Kyle Shanahan and Bill belichicker Andy Reid. What
makes them so brilliant is they're like mad scientists and
they can just give hour after hour after hour at
the podium in the film room. College doesn't allow that.
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You got limited hours, limited practice, and you're dealing with
younger kids.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Now they are more malleable. A young player.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Doesn't have as many bad habits, so you can sort
of they're like kids. Kids are sponges. At fifty, you're
not a sponge. At thirty five, you're not a sponge.
So you know, you don't break a lot of habits.
At eighteen nine twenty, you played high school football maybe
one year somewhere else you transfer in. Bill doesn't have
to break a bunch of bad habits. Kids are sponges,
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So I think you learn quicker when you're They say
that about languages. My kids can learn languages. My son
at nineteen can speak German. It's like I tried French
for six months on an app. Six months, I got
four words down this brain up Here is a parking garage,
no cars left, there's no opening, Jay mcket, there's just nowhere.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
There's no more information space available.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So I do think Belichick is limited in what you
can do. But the athletes he has now are able
to learn a lot of stuff don't have as many
bad habits.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
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Speaker 5 (18:46):
I took two years of French in high school, and
then I got a hard teacher for year three and
dropped it instantly. Yeah, I love the language. It sounds
cool right when you go to listen. Paris one of
the great cities in the world. I know you love Chicago,
but come on, Terris is in incredible. If you go
there you hear the language, you're just.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
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Speaker 5 (20:43):
All right. Uh, this is a tough one because we're
a year in advance. But you know, the Arch Banning
hype train has left the station. There's no putting it
back in. And everybody wants to connect the dots of
Archmanning to the Rams because obviously they've traded with Atlanta
for that extra first round next year, so they have two.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
And of course there was the.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Video of less Sneed talking to Arch Maanning Matt Stafford's
age and his contract negotiations the last two years. Colin,
I'm just I want to be realistic here. I don't
think there's any chance the Rams get in the arch
Banning discussion.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
It's gonna cost more than two firsts.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
You look at the price it costs the Chiefs to
get Mahomes back in the day just to get.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
To the tenth spot. And I don't think the Rams
are gonna be a discussion. Here's the image of less
Need talking to Archmanning.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Colin be a realistic less less Need's son goes to Texas.
That's why they drafted in the sixth round Jordan Whittingham
at wide receiver, because you had was such a quality kid.
He was loved in the locker room, and he actually
was pretty good last year in a couple of starts
as a sixth round receiver. So less has a lot
of information. Listen, they have their own first round pick,
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and then I think it's Atlanta's. Yes, So if Atlanta,
if Pennis doesn't play well or Penis gets hurt, and
Atlanta has the seventh pick.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Well no, no, they still have cousins.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
But if Atlanta is decent and has the thirteen, fourteenth,
fifteenth pick, then you're gonna have to give up both
first round picks and next year's number one. I think
that would get you the number one or two pick
that gets you in the discussion. I don't know three
number ones is come on through.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Here's the interesting thing about Arts Manning. So you know,
the producer here on this segment try to sell me, well,
what if Arch doesn't go one, and he's like twelve.
Couldn't the Rams they could afford to move up for
him there, right? And I was like, there's no chance
Arch is going anywhere other than one.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
That would be my guest, would you okay, your disagree?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I mostly agree. But here's the other reality why the
Rams couldn't do it. Because the team that has the
number one pick is going to be Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
With the Saints, and they need a quarterback exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And by the way, the Manning family of New Orleans
the children's hospitals named after him. So getting Arch Manning
in New Orleans for the Saints his dad Archie played there,
I remember of those bad same seams would literally be
the greatest gift, the greatest football gift any franchise has
had in maybe fifty years.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
And let's be real, there's no world where there's a
Ricky Williams or herschel Walker type deal for Arts man,
I don't think. I think more people would want to
get him in the building given his pedigree. By the way,
did you know he's six four two fifteen. Yes, when
we talk about like Justin Herbert and all these big.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Strapping Josh tag and he's athletic, he can move, he
can run, He's going one.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
I don't care what Drew Aller does.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Well, we know the worst teams in the league. I
mean we do.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Last year there were seven bad teams. Because the league
has become so quarterback offensive head coach Triven, you can
look at the teams that are gonna stick. Yeah, Cleveland's
not gonna be good. The division's got too much talent
Lamar Burrow and the Steelers Aaron, They've got a good roster.
We know the Saints are going to be bad. The
New York Giants could be really, really bad. So all
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those have a Manning tie. Cleveland has a Manning tie.
New Orleans does, and Eli played with a Giant. So
you could almost write it down the three or worst teams,
three or four.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Worst treams of Lake. It's not difficult.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's just unless there's an injury to a quarterback, you
can kind of pinpoint, who's going to be god awful
right now?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
And by just for the record, the guys who were
projected number one before the season in recent years have
they don't like tumble a little bit. They tumble out.
Remember the kid at Oklahoma, Spencer Ratler. He went from like, Oh,
he's gonna be the first pick to like out blake Yours,
Quinn Ewers, quinn Yours tums way down to the sixth round.
But I'll say this I did.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I was not a Rattler or a Ewers fan, so
I didn't agree on this show.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I never bought into those guys.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I bought into Caleb Williams, ibout into Jade and Daniels,
I about into Andrew Luck. I did buy into Trevor Lawrence.
I completely buy into arch Mannings talent and is just intelligence,
his athletic ability.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I buy into it.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I mean, I don't think there's anywhere arts. The only
thing he could do is say I'm not coming out.
I want to stay another year in Austin. But I
would put that really small percentage. Next up, Colin, let's
go to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Who obviously are coming off the down year.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
However, the schedule has everybody geeked, including Nick Bosa, who
believes this team is going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (25:22):
I definitely think this group can win a super Bowl
if you look at like our nineteen team and nobody
thought that was It's not about all having a huge
name guy at every position and like kind of like
we did in twenty three or whatever. Yeah, it's just
how you gel and how you play. And I think
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when I look at who we have in this team,
I think we undoubtedly have a chance to do.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
Oh here's a fun part, Colin.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
We have a screen shot here of forty nine ers
notable offseason moves them addition and losses.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Are you ready for the.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Look at the ads by the way, they had to
sneak Robert Salah in there and a backup quarter about dude,
they didn't just lose guys.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Aaron Banks is a very good guard.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Deebo, I mean, Greenlaw and Hufungo are at Chavarris Ward's
a good corner. They lost four really notable defensive players.
And you can say what you want, but Banks and
Deebo Samuel are going to be high end starters for
the Packers and the Commanders.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
The only counter is well, wait a sick They lost
all these high end starters on defense. Oh, the defense
stunk last year? Now was it because these guys are
getting long in the tooth? Or was it the offense
was just so inept due to the injuries that the
defense was on the field a lot, And you have
to it kind of makes you wonder a little bit.
Why would they let all of these guys go.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well, it's because they're paying brock perty That's why they're
letting them go. That's why I keep saying, if Christian
McCaffrey plays six team games, the Niners are going to
be a playoff team. But if he goes down with
those defensive losses, I'm sorry, bro this team's not nearly talented.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Those defenders were still so elite. Why was this not
even a top ten unit last year when it should
have been.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Top Because they made a move to Robert Sala. They
did not love their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
That's why they went and got Sla All about Okay,
All right, final story con this is interesting. Kind of
went down yesterday. Defensive tackle Christian Wilkins. Remember he signed
a massive one hundred and ten million dollars deal with
the Raiders last March.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Well, it's over for him.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
The Raiders released him after one season with the team,
and now it gets ugly. They are the Raiders are
claiming they don't have to pay him due to how
he rehabbed a previous foot injury. Wilkins has filed a
grievance with the NFLPA. There was a foot fracture in
Week five. Injury required surgery, knocking him out for the season.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
It was still.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Bothering when training camp came back and the Raiders released
him and voided thirty five million in guaranteed money. Obviously,
this is going to get ugly between the two and.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Then it gets him in spicy Now. You know Wilkins
was a stud back like three years ago.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, good player.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Guess who's talking to him already? The New England Patriots
and Mike Rabel. They are kicking the tires. Wilkins from Massachusetts,
went to high school in Connecticut, and Rabel recruited him
to Ohio State when he was back at Ohio State recruiting.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
No, he's a good play, he's a high end player, and.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
You know he's going to be motivated given how bad
it went with Vegas.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Kind of spicy cone.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Jmcklanews, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
The herd line.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Nash Jamett got to look at all those Niner losses
and suddenly his bravado. You can see it dripping out
of the jmac confidence meter. That's what I say about
San Francisco. If mccav free is healthy, they're fine. But
McCaffrey's coming off injuries. Trent Williams got about a year left.
Theyfunga is a pro bowler, green Law is a pro bowler.
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Eugene Banks is an excellent, excellent guard. Deebo Samuel is
a playmaker. They're all gone, and they have been. Let's
be honest, they have been. Unlike the Rams, who have
been unbelievable in the last three years in the draft,
the Niners have not. The Niners have missed on as
many draft picks as they've hit on. The Rams have
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hit on every defensive draft pick for three straight years.
Every single guy you can go, Young, Kobe Turner, Jared
verse Line, everybody's hit. Niners have missed on a lot
of picks. So that's why you keep saying, oh, this
isn't that. All I know is I'm gonna take McVeigh
three years of great drafting stafford over.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I mean those do now.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Devon Hargrove was a disappointment, but he's still a body.
He was a disappointment. He didn't live up to the deal.
But I mean, when your additions are a defensive coordinator
and your losses are multiple starters. Here's another one that
is undervalue. Jalen Moore, the left tackle.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Oh he was a swing tackle.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Come on, okay, everybody in the league need to when
you have an old left tackle, Jalen Moore, Okay, is
more valuable than you think because Trent Williams it is,
and he's great. It's highly doubtful he's starting seventeen games.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I'd agree.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Now the Niners did have They struggled in the draft
for a couple of years because of that. Trey Lance
Dealer really set him back this past draft. The kid
mikel Williams out of Georgia is a superstar. Weight Akala
is gonna unleash him. I really like the running back
out of Oregon, you know him, Jordan James.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
He's going to contribute. Every running back is good. It
with Shannon I like him.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Nick Martin, the linebacker out of Okay State very good,
and then they got the defensive tackle from Texas.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Okay, twelve wins, lock it up, Niners are going to
be fine.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Coming right, twelve wins, twelve and five.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I consider thirteen, but hope it's not overcast in any
of those games for brock Purty.
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Speaker 3 (31:35):
So I have said, I don't know why I care
so much.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
They're arguably the worst team in the league, and they
have four quarterbacks, none in their prime or none special.
I think Joe Flacco will win the Cleveland Brown starting job.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I said that months ago.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I think they'll move Kenny Pickett and I think they'll
they'll keep the two young guys.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So Shador Sanders.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
In OTAs was completing eighty percent of his throat but
now in camp, as Dave Wantstat said, you face a
pass rush, it's not as easy. So shador is not
taking first team reps does not surprise me. Here's here's
his thoughts on what's transpiring with the Browns.
Speaker 11 (32:12):
I don't think that's that's not my place, you know,
to answer it, To even be able to give the
answer to that, I feel like it's not in my control.
So I'm not even gonna think about that or have
that even in my thought process of why. It is, Like,
there's a lot of people that want to have the
opportunity to be at this level, and I'm here and
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I'm thankful to have the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
So whenever that is it is.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I like his answer. I think he's been humbled.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I don't love the hat on backwards, but it's not
the Wednesday press conference, so I'm not going to be
too judgmental on that. It's just, you know, it's camp nonsense.
Nobody cares. But yeah, I think it's kind of interesting.
And I've said this before. I don't remember ever a time.
I've been guessing on quarterbacks forever, and I think I've
had a pretty good track record now that Sam Darnold's
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turned it around. I think my track records pretty good.
I didn't like guys that the GMS did, and I
think I've been right on it. I thought Shador was
a solid, you know, in a weak quarterback draft.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
He's not cam Ward, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
But if he gets drafted like Jackson Dart did at
the end of the first round or second round, I
thought that was reasonable. He fell to the fifth, and
I don't think he would have been drafted in the
fifth if not for Jimmy Haslam, because if you remember
the Andrew Berry and Kevinfanski reaction to the draft pick
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they drafted two rounds earlier, Dylan Gabriel, the quarterback from Oregon,
it looked as though the owner made the pick. So
I find it fascinating. I mean, I didn't think he
was a great prospect, but got he in a terrible
old line and no run game at Colorado, and he
completed the most He's the most accurate college quarterback of
all time. And he was good against good teams. He
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was productive, he wasn't over, he was running for his life.
So I don't know, I probably just whiffed, So I
am and I'll sit again. I think Flaco starts, they
move Picket, somebody's gonna go down in camp. They'll get
a seventh round pick for Picket. I think Cleveland wants
more picks. They're gonna fight like hell to get a
sixth round pick at a Kenny Pickett if they move him,
because they got two firsts. I think they want they
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want every pick possible, So if they finish like third
or fourth in the draft, they can move up to
number one. I think they give away the farm and
probably should to get arch Manning. But here I had
Dave wanstad On earlier. Here's his thoughts on sort of
all this speeding tickets and the nonsense with Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
No one ever talked about it. But your quarterback is
the face of the program, and everything is going to
be magnified that this kid does. And the second thing
that really bothers me is, you know, and I'm sure
Dion's told him this, son, there's a reason that you
fell from the first round down to the fours a
fifth round. There's a reason for that. Okay, we cannot
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give these people any reason to think anything negative about
you except football performance. If the football performance isn't good enough, hey,
that's it. But don't give them any other reason.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, I thought Dave nailed it on the Caleb Williams stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
And the Shador Sanders stuff. It's and I hear this.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
All the time about well, I mean, come on, speeding tickets.
Speeding tickets for the average citizen aren't good, but a
speeding ticket for a CEO of a company. Two of
them in a week makes you look like you're irresponsible.
There are certain offices in a building, the corner one
with the really nice oak tables. You're not judged the
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same and you getting a speeding ticket. Thirty four percent
of American men have been arrested. You hold quarterbacks, even
in a football locker room, to a totally different standard.
They're the one that sits up there on a Wednesday
with the big bank sponsor behind him, you know, telling
you Tom Brady and Big Ben, especially Brady Brady for
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years did a Monday radio hit in Boston. Do you
think he needed to do it. No, he wanted to
set the agenda for the franchise. Big Ben did the
same thing Big Ben in Pittsburgh. Those guys didn't need
the money. They did it to set the agenda going
into practice, create some intensity and urgency, win or lose.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
So you know, I just you got to do better.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So it is kind of a fascinating space right now
for Shuitar Sanders. Here's the other thing. Fans and I
agree on this completely. Yesterday I had a topic. The
Athletic came out with their top rated every NFL team.
They had the Packers at like five or six and
the Broncos at fourteen, and I'm like, well, Denver's better
than fourteen, and I don't think the Packers are top.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Five or six. Well, they did a fan poll.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
These were their power camp ratings power ratings yesterday. So
I said, Broncos are too low, Packers are too high.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Well, what do you know.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
The Athletic had a fan poll this morning and the
most overrated team was the Packers and the most underrated
team was the Broncos. So now they're both going to
be fine because they have offensive coaches and they have
young talented quarterbacks going into their prime or in their prime.
I mean bo Nix is pretty old, so he may
be in his prime at the end of this year
at the beginning of next year. So they're both going
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to be fine because there is a recipe. If you
look at the Super Bowl odds right now, look at
this JMX. The super Bowl odds this year ten of
fourteen teams, seventy five percent the highest ones have an
offensive coach. So now now you could say, what about Buffalo,
what about Baltimore? Yes, if you have Josh Allen and
Lamar Jackson, what about Washington or Jaden Daniels. If you
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have a superstar, game changing quarterback, then it becomes less relevant.
But by and large, what are the teams all of
the top have in common, either a superstar quarterback or
an offensive coach. And if you look at the final
four coaches left in the last four or five years,
the last guy to win a Super Bowl defensive guy
was Belichick.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Think how long ago that was.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
So there is clearly a blueprint, a process, and a formula.
So both Denver and Green Bay are fine because they've
got a good offensive coach and a better than average quarterback.
So I think they'll both. I think they're both going
to be playoff teams.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Probably when you look at those odds on the screen
for the radio audience, the Bill's Ravens.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
Eagles Chiefs are top four. I think it's pretty clear.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
If you're looking for value to bet on, you have
to go a into the NFC where it's an easier
path like the in the AFC column. You may have
to go through mahomes Lamar and Josh Allen, and that's
like mission impossible. So I'm seeing the Rams at plus
twenty two hundred, and I'm like, wait a minute. I
know gambling guys who like the Rams. I know you're
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on the Rams. They had a great offseason. Why why
are they below the Commanders?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
What about the lasting year?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
So I get McVeigh, Stafford, great GM, big money, and
they've hit three straight years of defensive draft picks and
they have no contracts disputes and they're basically the same
odds as the Bengals.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
How are the Packers ahead of the Rams? I mean
even Packer's division is probably tougher.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I don't If you and I said, let's name the
best players between the Rams and Packers, Stafford's your best player.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
I can argue, well, Davante's better than any receiver.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
The Packers have.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Also Jared Verse.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Jared Verse is top five player, and by the end
of this year, Jared Verse will be thought of as
a top five pass rusher. Now they do have Josh
Jacobs and Zach tom and.
Speaker 7 (39:47):
Kyen Williams is really freaking good with the Rams.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
I don't know that Josh Jacobs is that much better
than him.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
Like, where are the Packers better than the Rams?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Like, not in the front seven, defensively, secondary, maybe in
the secondary, maybe not at wide receiver with Puca Devonte
Adams all call tell you. I think they're more athletic.
I'm gonna see how Terrence Ferguson, the rookie from Oregon
does with the Rams. He was a second or third
round pick. I think I really like the Packers tight ends.
They're not great, but they're really really good.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
We'll give you that. That's all you got.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Head coach, quarterback, defensive front seven, consistent pass rush. It's
Rams all day.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I Rams are the value bet
on that boarder.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
It's funny that a big market team and Sean McVay
and Matt Stafford everywhere I looked the last three years.
Now the knock on the Rams and it's fair. In
terms of plus minus, their point differential was actually the
lowest of top teams in the league. And a lot
of that is because Buffalo and Baltimore and Detroit and
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Philadelphia just crushed people. The Rams tend to beat you.
You know, Stafford's not running around creating. They beat you
on the whiteboard, They beat you schematically, they beat you
with coaching and precision. So the Rams are not the avalanche. Baltimore, Buffalo,
Philadelphia and Detroit have been often with great mobile quarterbacks
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and great old lines. But I think the Rams again
this year, are undervalued.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
All right, here we go, it's our two. We got news, Jmack.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We started our show an hour ago talking about Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
So we had a bumpy.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Otah and three straight days he has scuffed and struggled.
Today two picks in the seven on seven red zone drill.
So that red zone is a place you do not
make mistakes. I'm sure at the front of the end
zone you throw it low. If it's at the back
of the end zone, you throw it high. You don't
throw picks in the red zone. He had two today.
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People are getting a lit still worked out and I
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Hey, JJ Watt, I'm sure you saw JJ Watt put
something on social It was alluded to your take on
Caleb Williams and you know, training camp picks and so forth,
and he kind of tried to pick it apart.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
And all these people think, oh, see coward drawing. It's
no big deal that Caleb Williams is messing up here.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Early on.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You guys, everything is something. Yeah, nothing is everything. But
Jade and Daniels last year at camp, Dan Quinn and
Cliff Kingsbury. First week of camp, we're saying publicly, oh
my god, this kid is miles ahead of where rookies are.
Sean Payton is texting me during camp. Last year, bo
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Nicks needs a few starts. He's gonna get good really fast.
By October, bow Knicks had a passer rating over one hundred.
Everything matters. I want to bring in the former Bears coach.
It's so apropos that we have Dave Wantat on the
show today. Six years Bears, five years, Dolphins thirty nine
years coaching football. So listen, you can give Caleb a
little bit of a pass for last year it was
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I mean, they had a three head coaches by the
end of it.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
But Dave.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
The critics of Caleb Williams said he plays too much
hero ball, he could struggle with accuracy, he could be
a little bit moody. So when I see with Ben
Johnson all of these things coming out at camp.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
He's not getting.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Plays in the footwork, he's again little hero ball holding
on the ball. It's something. Is I don't want to
hear that. It's nothing. Isn't it something?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Yes, it is. And I'll tell you this in training camp,
and you know I lived this. You know, we would
go through training camp and let's say we were struggling
running the football. We would say, well, it's just preseason,
it's just a training camp. Those things usually do show
up once you start playing for real, but it's early,
and I would just say this, Hey, let's keep in
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mind last year training him, he was a guy that
had a tough time getting a snap because he was
never up under center. I mean, this is how primitive
the whole pro passing game under center play action pass
was to this kid. So you know, I think it's
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a starting point there and then and then Ben does
everything by timing. By that, I mean it's one, two, three,
the balls coming out. Now you've got to get it
obviously to the right person, or it might be five
steps one two, three, four, five, and everything is tied
together from the line protection to the receiver routes and
the quarterback. So this is there is a learning process here.
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And I would probably say the biggest difference between here
and OTAs is now there's a pass rush and they're
not hitting the quarterback. But the Bears now are getting
a lot of pressure and probably putting the hands up,
and that's a little bit different from him because he's
throwing from a different spot. You go back to his
college days. Callin at USC this guy he saw more
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three man rush and more of a prevent defense than
any quarterback in college football because they knew it. He
wouldn't sit in the pocket. He was gonna scramble and
he was gonna try to throw it deep. So this
is now all of a sudden, it's playfake and it's
coming out one, two three. This is completely foreign to him.
I think he'll be fine. You know, I'm going up
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for a couple of days next week, so i'll get
a first hand looking sit. I'm gonna sit down with Ben.
We'll have a couple of good conversations.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I want to ask you about Mike McDaniel. So I
do think in this day and age, offensive coaches have
an advantage because all the rules lean offense. So it
does help to be an offensive coach Now, that doesn't
mean Sean McDermott can't be great, But even Belichick felt
a little out of touch his last four or five
years in New England. The whole darn league now is
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about quarterbacks and offensive coaches. And Mike McDaniel goes to
Miami and everybody loved him.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
He was quirky, he was unique.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
In my takeaway, now two three years later, is a
lot of sizzle, not a lot of steak.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
They don't run the ball.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's a lot of clever, it's a lot of multiple
sets in motion. I would move off Tyreek Hill. I
would get picks. I don't think it's working in Miami.
I don't think it is. You've been there. What are
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Well, you know two thoughts. Number one the Tyreek Hill situation.
I don't know. How do you have an outside shot
to go to the playoffs as a wildcard, which they
did last year and some things had a fall right,
But that last game if they win and two or
three things happened, and your best player, Tyreek Hill, does
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not go in the game, and they asked you that
at a press conference and you don't have an answer,
I'm still like taking back a little bit by that
response and the other thing that bothers me. And you
hit it right on the head. You know. Chris Breer
was all my staff when I was there. He was
one of my styleles great. I thought he was very good.
I don't know Mike as a head coach, but the
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players that they signed as free agents, the players that
they drafted. The first comment out of everybody's moth this
year at Miami was, he's a tough guy. Oh, we've
drafted the big tackle grant out of Michigan. But you
know why he is a tough guy. It's weak, it's
it's you know, I hate to say this, but it's
probably too late. It's like halfway through the season you
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decide that you want to run the football. It's too late.
That's training camp and now all of a sudden they
want to become a tough football team. I just don't.
I don't. It's going to be very difficult to turn
that mindset.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, you know, it's funny about guys like Kyle Shanahan,
Matt Lafleur, and Sean McVay. Even though they're offensive coaches,
they love the run game. They loved Shanahan and McVay
and Lafleur love power football, and so I think sometimes
I think McDaniel again, I just I understood the media
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falling for it, but it was a lot of motion
and a lot of stuff didn't matter. But the difference
between Shanahan and McDaniel because there's a lot of the
same offenses.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Shanahan runs the ball. He loves to run the ball,
and we all know.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
The quarterback is the key to all this stuff. At
the end of the day, who is down there saying
that he hasn't patched it up yet? He has a
problem with Tyreek Hill. They haven't really bonded since the
end of the season when Tyreek Hill said he didn't
want to have any to do with the Dolphins, he
didn't like their culture. Well, I'll tell you what happened
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to minicamps, Colin, what happened to OTAs. These guys had
six months to work through that problem, that issue, whatever
it is, to what extent, I don't know. But when
you got your starting quarterback coming out during training camp
saying I got a problem with we're not on the
same page, that's concernat the heck out of me.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
When I watched those old Dallas Cowboy Films, NFL Films,
and you were part of that great team with Jimmy Johnson.
And I hear Troy Aikman. Jimmy had left, Barry was there,
and and Troy is lighting guys up, and he's questioning
maturity on his teammates. He's questioning maturity. And I think
that takes That's why I like my quarterbacks sometimes to
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be a grown up. Here and Shadoor Sanders gets two tickets,
and finally Andrew Berry came out and said, that's just
not smart.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You don't have a dominant quarterback, You drafted two kids,
you got Kenny Pickett. What do you do with tickets?
How do you address it? As a coach? It would
be so hard for me to watch Sador Sanders and
not make judgments on him based on driving ninety miles
an hour as a fifth round rookie. Would I would
have a hard time looking at him the same way.
What do you make of what he did? And how
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how much do you think that will hurt his Cleveland experience?
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I think it's going to affect him. I'll tell you why.
You know he's a quarterback. If you're a defensive lineman.
It's still wrong, it still would concern you. But I'll
be honest with you, I've had defensive lineman that it's
kind of fallen into the same mentality. Always something you
know going on with the guy. No one ever talked
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about it. But your quarterback is the face of the
program and everything is going to be magnified that this
kid does. And the second thing that really bothers me is,
you know, and I'm sure Dion's told him this, son,
there's a reason that you fell from the first round
down to the fours and fifth round. There's a reason
for that. Okay, we cannot give these people any reason
(09:49):
to think anything negative about you except football performance. If
the football performance isn't good enough, hey, that's it. But
don't give him any other reason. And here we go.
We got a reason to just put a real doubt
in your minds, not just for Cleveland, whether he's for
Cleveland or anybody else. There's a lot of gms that
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passed on this kid, a lot of gms that I'm
up to to draft him. Why. I don't know all
the details that this is just not good overall. I
don't think it's just another check to the box.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So you know, I was saying this this week and
it sounds weird. I said, the most important thing when
you take a job is your quarterback. That's why Harbaugh
took the Chargers, justin Herbert. But the second most important
thing is ownership. And I said, I think I would
take the Niners job, which has good ownership, and a
(10:43):
which has great ownership and a good quarterback. Brought purty
over going to Cincinnati where Burrow's great, But I don't
trust the scouting department. I don't trust the ownership.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And I said, I.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Worry about Joe Burrow becoming Matt Stafford. We all know
he's great, but there's it's a circus of coaches. They
don't draft well enough. The organization at the top isn't
good enough. So I saw a story this week about
Joe Burrow. He was upset about more holdouts. How do
you think the Burrough thing? How do you think it
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plays out? Because Dave, he's the best quarterback. Last year,
there's an argument he was the league's best quarterback. He
was the best quarterback in the league and did not
make the playoffs. How did you are you worried that
he becomes Stafford in Detroit.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yes, absolutely, I think they have to be, you know,
because I don't know even with Henderson and their number
one draft picks hold out to right the past rusher
from Texas A and M. But I would say this,
I'm gonna just remind me of a little story. You know.
I worked for the Dolphins with coach Shula for six
weeks before Jimmy got the Dallas job, and Coach Shuler
told me, Tward, I'm gonna dispute your priorities here. He said,
(11:58):
you know, the different day between this NFL job and
the in college. And I said, no, coach, and he said, well,
understand who the three most important people are in the NFL.
Number one year owner, number two your owner, and number
three year owner.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So that's just.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I don't know this coach if coach Schulan knew anything
then and then, but that was his philosophy. But I
would say to this, Okay, I don't know. It's a distraction.
The first thought that comes to my mind is it's
a distraction, and you do not Last year it was
receivers getting them signed, and man, the quickest way to
(12:35):
be defeated. You've heard me say this when we did
shows together, is to be distracted, and right now this
football team is distracted. And you know, you know Mike
Brown said, yeah, we'll get him signed. I mean, he's
thirty years old. You know what the market is, what
what got and what Miles Garrett, you know what the
pay this guy because you know the reason when you
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have a good, a great offense like you have with
Burrow and that group of receivers, a great offense, it's
going to score points at the end of the game.
We always talk about you have to have defensive closers.
And who are your closers. It's your pass rushers, your
two pass rushers and your two corners. They're the guys.
If you don't have them, you have a tough time
(13:19):
stopping people when they're throwing it. And you do have
the lead. That was the Dolphins problem for years with
Dan Marino. He did a lead, couldn't get off the
field on defense and they get on a score. I mean,
he's thirty years old, so you get three good years
of sim do a three year contract. This is my opinion, Simon,
do a three year contract and let Burrow you know,
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in three years, I mean, you know, I don't know.
It just bothers me that you would let this distraction.
I don't know what's going on with their number one pick,
the rookie, the defensive end. You know, language or something
I read somebody said, I don't know about these rookie
contracts anymore. You know what he's talking about with language.
But do you need these two guys in there? You
need him in there now?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, And it should be noted that when Hendrickson did
not play, they're like thirty second with a pass rush,
so he is their pass rush. Finally, Dave wants that
joining us. One of my favorite people. I've said this
with Nick Saban. He's not going back to college, Dave,
because with the nil you have to pay so much
(14:21):
money for players fifteen million. You have to go to
your boosters to get fifteen million bucks. You're not going
to buy out a coach for sixty million, pay Nick
Saban seventy million, raise fifteen there's too much money. Now,
you're not going to fire your coach. Nick's not going
to coach college. He already did great there. But I
do think because of the way Miami ended, he would
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take a call. If arch Manning went to the Saints
or arch Manning went to Cleveland. I think he would
take the phone call.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Do you.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
He would take the phone call just because you know,
everybody wants to be wanted. Everybody wants to you know,
and I can speak from Jimmy. I mean, I'm not
getting into the teams. But even when Jimmy was into
Fox several years, okay, when he was done with it
all that, he called me one time in particular and
was offered so much money to run the whole thing,
(15:13):
coach GM everything with the team, and he took the call,
you know, but obviously he didn't have any interest in
doing it. So I think that's where Nick's are at
right now, where Belichick's enjoying us. I saw Bill's press
conference and he's talking about going out and meeting with alumni.
How much he enjoyed going to other sports men's and
women's and meeting the student athletes. You know, it's new
(15:35):
to Bill, So he's enjoying it right now. You know, Nick,
Nick's kind of going, He's traveled that road. I don't
see Nick getting back into it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
By the way, how do you think Belichick does.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I think he's gonna do good. You know, the biggest
and I did it with Pitt. When I went back
to Pitt and I had some really good players obviously,
you know Rebus and that company. What happens, though, is
you don't the restriction in colleage with classes and the
time you don't have them. Bill is such a perfectionist
and you know, do it over, do it over, meet more,
(16:09):
watch more tape. The time restrictions in college are the
number one thing that gets you when you separate the
NFL from college football, in my opinion, and players aren't
gonna have it down as pat and they're going to
make mistakes and whether it be turning the ball over
or breaking coverages, things like that happen with colleage kids,
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which all of a sudden, you might be doing a
fabulous job coaching and you may have a lot of talent,
but they make a mistake because you can't spend the
time with them in colleage that you can in the NFL.
That's the hurdle he's going to have to get over.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, that's always been my point about Like I said, this,
Bill Walsh coached in college, but the college limitations limited
how brilliant Bill Walsh could be. But when you gave
them fifty hours a week or Belichick all that extra time.
Bill's the best defensive coach ever, Bill Walsh the best
offensive coach ever. If you told Andy Reid he only
(17:06):
got seventeen hours a week, Andy Reid, he'd be pulling
his hair out.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Dave vaonstaut as always coach.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Great, seeing you, all right, see in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
All right?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
You know, I think that's the point I've always felt
about why all great NFL coaches wouldn't work the scheme.
Guys like Kyle Shanahan and Bill belichicker Andy Reid. What
makes them so brilliant is they're like mad scientists and
they can just give hour after hour after hour at
the podium in the film room. College doesn't allow that.
(17:40):
You got limited hours, limited practice, and you're dealing with
younger kids.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Now they are more malleable. A young player.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Doesn't have as many bad habits, so you can sort
of they're like kids. Kids are sponges. At fifty, you're
not a sponge. At thirty five, you're not a sponge.
So you know, you don't break a lot of habits.
At eighteen nine twenty, you played high school football maybe
one year somewhere else you transfer in. Bill doesn't have
to break a bunch of bad habits. Kids are sponges,
(18:07):
So I think you learn quicker when you're They say
that about languages. My kids can learn languages. My son
at nineteen can speak German. It's like I tried French
for six months on an app. Six months, I got
four words down this brain up Here is a parking garage,
no cars left, there's no opening, Jay mcket, there's just nowhere.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
There's no more information space available.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So I do think Belichick is limited in what you
can do. But the athletes he has now are able
to learn a lot of stuff don't have as many
bad habits.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Bojor Jemipel Jason.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
I took two years of French in high school, and
then I got a hard teacher for year three and
dropped it instantly. Yeah, I love the language. It sounds
cool right when you go to listen. Paris one of
the great cities in the world. I know you love Chicago,
but come on, Terris is in incredible. If you go
there you hear the language, you're just.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Like, ah, it's a certain romance to it.
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Speaker 5 (20:43):
All right. Uh, this is a tough one because we're
a year in advance. But you know, the Arch Banning
hype train has left the station. There's no putting it
back in. And everybody wants to connect the dots of
Archmanning to the Rams because obviously they've traded with Atlanta
for that extra first round next year, so they have two.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
And of course there was the.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Video of less Sneed talking to Arch Maanning Matt Stafford's
age and his contract negotiations the last two years. Colin,
I'm just I want to be realistic here. I don't
think there's any chance the Rams get in the arch
Banning discussion.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
It's gonna cost more than two firsts.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
You look at the price it costs the Chiefs to
get Mahomes back in the day just to get.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
To the tenth spot. And I don't think the Rams
are gonna be a discussion. Here's the image of less
Need talking to Archmanning.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Colin be a realistic less less Need's son goes to Texas.
That's why they drafted in the sixth round Jordan Whittingham
at wide receiver, because you had was such a quality kid.
He was loved in the locker room, and he actually
was pretty good last year in a couple of starts
as a sixth round receiver. So less has a lot
of information. Listen, they have their own first round pick,
(21:51):
and then I think it's Atlanta's. Yes, So if Atlanta,
if Pennis doesn't play well or Penis gets hurt, and
Atlanta has the seventh pick.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Well no, no, they still have cousins.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
But if Atlanta is decent and has the thirteen, fourteenth,
fifteenth pick, then you're gonna have to give up both
first round picks and next year's number one. I think
that would get you the number one or two pick
that gets you in the discussion. I don't know three
number ones is come on through.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Here's the interesting thing about Arts Manning. So you know,
the producer here on this segment try to sell me, well,
what if Arch doesn't go one, and he's like twelve.
Couldn't the Rams they could afford to move up for
him there, right? And I was like, there's no chance
Arch is going anywhere other than one.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
That would be my guest, would you okay, your disagree?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I mostly agree. But here's the other reality why the
Rams couldn't do it. Because the team that has the
number one pick is going to be Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
With the Saints, and they need a quarterback exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And by the way, the Manning family of New Orleans
the children's hospitals named after him. So getting Arch Manning
in New Orleans for the Saints his dad Archie played there,
I remember of those bad same seams would literally be
the greatest gift, the greatest football gift any franchise has
had in maybe fifty years.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
And let's be real, there's no world where there's a
Ricky Williams or herschel Walker type deal for Arts man,
I don't think. I think more people would want to
get him in the building given his pedigree. By the way,
did you know he's six four two fifteen. Yes, when
we talk about like Justin Herbert and all these big.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Strapping Josh tag and he's athletic, he can move, he
can run, He's going one.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
I don't care what Drew Aller does.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Well, we know the worst teams in the league. I
mean we do.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Last year there were seven bad teams. Because the league
has become so quarterback offensive head coach Triven, you can
look at the teams that are gonna stick. Yeah, Cleveland's
not gonna be good. The division's got too much talent
Lamar Burrow and the Steelers Aaron, They've got a good roster.
We know the Saints are going to be bad. The
New York Giants could be really, really bad. So all
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those have a Manning tie. Cleveland has a Manning tie.
New Orleans does, and Eli played with a Giant. So
you could almost write it down the three or worst teams,
three or four.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Worst treams of Lake. It's not difficult.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's just unless there's an injury to a quarterback, you
can kind of pinpoint, who's going to be god awful
right now?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
And by just for the record, the guys who were
projected number one before the season in recent years have
they don't like tumble a little bit. They tumble out.
Remember the kid at Oklahoma, Spencer Ratler. He went from like, Oh,
he's gonna be the first pick to like out blake Yours,
Quinn Ewers, quinn Yours tums way down to the sixth round.
But I'll say this I did.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I was not a Rattler or a Ewers fan, so
I didn't agree on this show.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I never bought into those guys.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I bought into Caleb Williams, ibout into Jade and Daniels,
I about into Andrew Luck. I did buy into Trevor Lawrence.
I completely buy into arch Mannings talent and is just intelligence,
his athletic ability.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I buy into it.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I mean, I don't think there's anywhere arts. The only
thing he could do is say I'm not coming out.
I want to stay another year in Austin. But I
would put that really small percentage. Next up, Colin, let's
go to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Who obviously are coming off the down year.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
However, the schedule has everybody geeked, including Nick Bosa, who
believes this team is going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (25:22):
I definitely think this group can win a super Bowl
if you look at like our nineteen team and nobody
thought that was It's not about all having a huge
name guy at every position and like kind of like
we did in twenty three or whatever. Yeah, it's just
how you gel and how you play. And I think
(25:45):
when I look at who we have in this team,
I think we undoubtedly have a chance to do.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
Oh here's a fun part, Colin.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
We have a screen shot here of forty nine ers
notable offseason moves them addition and losses.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Are you ready for the.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Look at the ads by the way, they had to
sneak Robert Salah in there and a backup quarter about dude,
they didn't just lose guys.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Aaron Banks is a very good guard.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Deebo, I mean, Greenlaw and Hufungo are at Chavarris Ward's
a good corner. They lost four really notable defensive players.
And you can say what you want, but Banks and
Deebo Samuel are going to be high end starters for
the Packers and the Commanders.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
The only counter is well, wait a sick They lost
all these high end starters on defense. Oh, the defense
stunk last year? Now was it because these guys are
getting long in the tooth? Or was it the offense
was just so inept due to the injuries that the
defense was on the field a lot, And you have
to it kind of makes you wonder a little bit.
Why would they let all of these guys go.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well, it's because they're paying brock perty That's why they're
letting them go. That's why I keep saying, if Christian
McCaffrey plays six team games, the Niners are going to
be a playoff team. But if he goes down with
those defensive losses, I'm sorry, bro this team's not nearly talented.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Those defenders were still so elite. Why was this not
even a top ten unit last year when it should
have been.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Top Because they made a move to Robert Sala. They
did not love their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
That's why they went and got Sla All about Okay,
All right, final story con this is interesting. Kind of
went down yesterday. Defensive tackle Christian Wilkins. Remember he signed
a massive one hundred and ten million dollars deal with
the Raiders last March.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Well, it's over for him.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
The Raiders released him after one season with the team,
and now it gets ugly. They are the Raiders are
claiming they don't have to pay him due to how
he rehabbed a previous foot injury. Wilkins has filed a
grievance with the NFLPA. There was a foot fracture in
Week five. Injury required surgery, knocking him out for the season.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
It was still.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Bothering when training camp came back and the Raiders released
him and voided thirty five million in guaranteed money. Obviously,
this is going to get ugly between the two and.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Then it gets him in spicy Now. You know Wilkins
was a stud back like three years ago.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, good player.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Guess who's talking to him already? The New England Patriots
and Mike Rabel. They are kicking the tires. Wilkins from Massachusetts,
went to high school in Connecticut, and Rabel recruited him
to Ohio State when he was back at Ohio State recruiting.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
No, he's a good play, he's a high end player, and.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
You know he's going to be motivated given how bad
it went with Vegas.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Kind of spicy cone.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Jmcklanews, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
The herd line.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Nash Jamett got to look at all those Niner losses
and suddenly his bravado. You can see it dripping out
of the jmac confidence meter. That's what I say about
San Francisco. If mccav free is healthy, they're fine. But
McCaffrey's coming off injuries. Trent Williams got about a year left.
Theyfunga is a pro bowler, green Law is a pro bowler.
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Eugene Banks is an excellent, excellent guard. Deebo Samuel is
a playmaker. They're all gone, and they have been. Let's
be honest, they have been. Unlike the Rams, who have
been unbelievable in the last three years in the draft,
the Niners have not. The Niners have missed on as
many draft picks as they've hit on. The Rams have
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hit on every defensive draft pick for three straight years.
Every single guy you can go, Young, Kobe Turner, Jared
verse Line, everybody's hit. Niners have missed on a lot
of picks. So that's why you keep saying, oh, this
isn't that. All I know is I'm gonna take McVeigh
three years of great drafting stafford over.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I mean those do now.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Devon Hargrove was a disappointment, but he's still a body.
He was a disappointment. He didn't live up to the deal.
But I mean, when your additions are a defensive coordinator
and your losses are multiple starters. Here's another one that
is undervalue. Jalen Moore, the left tackle.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Oh he was a swing tackle.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Come on, okay, everybody in the league need to when
you have an old left tackle, Jalen Moore, Okay, is
more valuable than you think because Trent Williams it is,
and he's great. It's highly doubtful he's starting seventeen games.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I'd agree.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Now the Niners did have They struggled in the draft
for a couple of years because of that. Trey Lance
Dealer really set him back this past draft. The kid
mikel Williams out of Georgia is a superstar. Weight Akala
is gonna unleash him. I really like the running back
out of Oregon, you know him, Jordan James.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
He's going to contribute. Every running back is good. It
with Shannon I like him.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Nick Martin, the linebacker out of Okay State very good,
and then they got the defensive tackle from Texas.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Okay, twelve wins, lock it up, Niners are going to
be fine.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Coming right, twelve wins, twelve and five.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I consider thirteen, but hope it's not overcast in any
of those games for brock Purty.
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Speaker 3 (31:35):
So I have said, I don't know why I care
so much.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
They're arguably the worst team in the league, and they
have four quarterbacks, none in their prime or none special.
I think Joe Flacco will win the Cleveland Brown starting job.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I said that months ago.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I think they'll move Kenny Pickett and I think they'll
they'll keep the two young guys.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So Shador Sanders.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
In OTAs was completing eighty percent of his throat but
now in camp, as Dave Wantstat said, you face a
pass rush, it's not as easy. So shador is not
taking first team reps does not surprise me. Here's here's
his thoughts on what's transpiring with the Browns.
Speaker 11 (32:12):
I don't think that's that's not my place, you know,
to answer it, To even be able to give the
answer to that, I feel like it's not in my control.
So I'm not even gonna think about that or have
that even in my thought process of why. It is, Like,
there's a lot of people that want to have the
opportunity to be at this level, and I'm here and
(32:33):
I'm thankful to have the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
So whenever that is it is.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I like his answer. I think he's been humbled.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I don't love the hat on backwards, but it's not
the Wednesday press conference, so I'm not going to be
too judgmental on that. It's just, you know, it's camp nonsense.
Nobody cares. But yeah, I think it's kind of interesting.
And I've said this before. I don't remember ever a time.
I've been guessing on quarterbacks forever, and I think I've
had a pretty good track record now that Sam Darnold's
(33:03):
turned it around. I think my track records pretty good.
I didn't like guys that the GMS did, and I
think I've been right on it. I thought Shador was
a solid, you know, in a weak quarterback draft.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
He's not cam Ward, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
But if he gets drafted like Jackson Dart did at
the end of the first round or second round, I
thought that was reasonable. He fell to the fifth, and
I don't think he would have been drafted in the
fifth if not for Jimmy Haslam, because if you remember
the Andrew Berry and Kevinfanski reaction to the draft pick
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they drafted two rounds earlier, Dylan Gabriel, the quarterback from Oregon,
it looked as though the owner made the pick. So
I find it fascinating. I mean, I didn't think he
was a great prospect, but got he in a terrible
old line and no run game at Colorado, and he
completed the most He's the most accurate college quarterback of
all time. And he was good against good teams. He
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was productive, he wasn't over, he was running for his life.
So I don't know, I probably just whiffed, So I
am and I'll sit again. I think Flaco starts, they
move Picket, somebody's gonna go down in camp. They'll get
a seventh round pick for Picket. I think Cleveland wants
more picks. They're gonna fight like hell to get a
sixth round pick at a Kenny Pickett if they move him,
because they got two firsts. I think they want they
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want every pick possible, So if they finish like third
or fourth in the draft, they can move up to
number one. I think they give away the farm and
probably should to get arch Manning. But here I had
Dave wanstad On earlier. Here's his thoughts on sort of
all this speeding tickets and the nonsense with Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
No one ever talked about it. But your quarterback is
the face of the program, and everything is going to
be magnified that this kid does. And the second thing
that really bothers me is, you know, and I'm sure
Dion's told him this, son, there's a reason that you
fell from the first round down to the fours a
fifth round. There's a reason for that. Okay, we cannot
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give these people any reason to think anything negative about
you except football performance. If the football performance isn't good enough, hey,
that's it. But don't give them any other reason.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, I thought Dave nailed it on the Caleb Williams stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
And the Shador Sanders stuff. It's and I hear this.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
All the time about well, I mean, come on, speeding tickets.
Speeding tickets for the average citizen aren't good, but a
speeding ticket for a CEO of a company. Two of
them in a week makes you look like you're irresponsible.
There are certain offices in a building, the corner one
with the really nice oak tables. You're not judged the
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same and you getting a speeding ticket. Thirty four percent
of American men have been arrested. You hold quarterbacks, even
in a football locker room, to a totally different standard.
They're the one that sits up there on a Wednesday
with the big bank sponsor behind him, you know, telling
you Tom Brady and Big Ben, especially Brady Brady for
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years did a Monday radio hit in Boston. Do you
think he needed to do it. No, he wanted to
set the agenda for the franchise. Big Ben did the
same thing Big Ben in Pittsburgh. Those guys didn't need
the money. They did it to set the agenda going
into practice, create some intensity and urgency, win or lose.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
So you know, I just you got to do better.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So it is kind of a fascinating space right now
for Shuitar Sanders. Here's the other thing. Fans and I
agree on this completely. Yesterday I had a topic. The
Athletic came out with their top rated every NFL team.
They had the Packers at like five or six and
the Broncos at fourteen, and I'm like, well, Denver's better
than fourteen, and I don't think the Packers are top.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Five or six. Well, they did a fan poll.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
These were their power camp ratings power ratings yesterday. So
I said, Broncos are too low, Packers are too high.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Well, what do you know.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
The Athletic had a fan poll this morning and the
most overrated team was the Packers and the most underrated
team was the Broncos. So now they're both going to
be fine because they have offensive coaches and they have
young talented quarterbacks going into their prime or in their prime.
I mean bo Nix is pretty old, so he may
be in his prime at the end of this year
at the beginning of next year. So they're both going
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to be fine because there is a recipe. If you
look at the Super Bowl odds right now, look at
this JMX. The super Bowl odds this year ten of
fourteen teams, seventy five percent the highest ones have an
offensive coach. So now now you could say, what about Buffalo,
what about Baltimore? Yes, if you have Josh Allen and
Lamar Jackson, what about Washington or Jaden Daniels. If you
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have a superstar, game changing quarterback, then it becomes less relevant.
But by and large, what are the teams all of
the top have in common, either a superstar quarterback or
an offensive coach. And if you look at the final
four coaches left in the last four or five years,
the last guy to win a Super Bowl defensive guy
was Belichick.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Think how long ago that was.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
So there is clearly a blueprint, a process, and a formula.
So both Denver and Green Bay are fine because they've
got a good offensive coach and a better than average quarterback.
So I think they'll both. I think they're both going
to be playoff teams.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Probably when you look at those odds on the screen
for the radio audience, the Bill's Ravens.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
Eagles Chiefs are top four. I think it's pretty clear.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
If you're looking for value to bet on, you have
to go a into the NFC where it's an easier
path like the in the AFC column. You may have
to go through mahomes Lamar and Josh Allen, and that's
like mission impossible. So I'm seeing the Rams at plus
twenty two hundred, and I'm like, wait a minute. I
know gambling guys who like the Rams. I know you're
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on the Rams. They had a great offseason. Why why
are they below the Commanders?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
What about the lasting year?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
So I get McVeigh, Stafford, great GM, big money, and
they've hit three straight years of defensive draft picks and
they have no contracts disputes and they're basically the same
odds as the Bengals.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
How are the Packers ahead of the Rams? I mean
even Packer's division is probably tougher.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I don't If you and I said, let's name the
best players between the Rams and Packers, Stafford's your best player.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
I can argue, well, Davante's better than any receiver.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
The Packers have.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Also Jared Verse.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Jared Verse is top five player, and by the end
of this year, Jared Verse will be thought of as
a top five pass rusher. Now they do have Josh
Jacobs and Zach tom and.
Speaker 7 (39:47):
Kyen Williams is really freaking good with the Rams.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
I don't know that Josh Jacobs is that much better
than him.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
Like, where are the Packers better than the Rams?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Like, not in the front seven, defensively, secondary, maybe in
the secondary, maybe not at wide receiver with Puca Devonte
Adams all call tell you. I think they're more athletic.
I'm gonna see how Terrence Ferguson, the rookie from Oregon
does with the Rams. He was a second or third
round pick. I think I really like the Packers tight ends.
They're not great, but they're really really good.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
We'll give you that. That's all you got.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Head coach, quarterback, defensive front seven, consistent pass rush. It's
Rams all day.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I Rams are the value bet
on that boarder.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
It's funny that a big market team and Sean McVay
and Matt Stafford everywhere I looked the last three years.
Now the knock on the Rams and it's fair. In
terms of plus minus, their point differential was actually the
lowest of top teams in the league. And a lot
of that is because Buffalo and Baltimore and Detroit and
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Philadelphia just crushed people. The Rams tend to beat you.
You know, Stafford's not running around creating. They beat you
on the whiteboard, They beat you schematically, they beat you
with coaching and precision. So the Rams are not the avalanche. Baltimore, Buffalo,
Philadelphia and Detroit have been often with great mobile quarterbacks
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and great old lines. But I think the Rams again
this year, are undervalued.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
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