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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Oh and there's already news breaking, my kind of news.
All right. Former Bears Jach Day wants that joins us
in an hour. It is another bumpy day, Jmax for
Caleb Williams. So we know an OTAs Ben Jonson dot
you know, a little miffed couldn't get the play into
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the huddle. They're asking them to do some different stuff
sometimes under center.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
A lot of those.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Coaches like that. Sean Payton likes that. So are you
ready for the new news? Jmac laying on me, big guy. Okay,
So yesterday, three days ago, he struggled. Ben Johnson was furious,
couldn't get to play in and out. Yesterday struggled with
a deep ball. Today Caleb Williams two red zone picks,
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one tip ball, another one horrible pass. So three days
in a row. It's gotten a little bumpy for Caleb Williams.
So people say, I hear athletes say this. I hear
people say that you can't take a lot from camp.
You can see red flags positive negative, Andrew Luck, Jaden
Daniels first week of camp, Commander's colts. You were hearing
(01:43):
glowing reports. Disastrous first dates rarely become great, thirty year marriages.
I've interviewed lots of people in my life. Disastrous interviews
never become great.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Higher it matters.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Sean pay eight and last year was texting me in August.
He's like bow knicks. That may take a few starts.
Guy's gonna be good by October. Bo Nicks one ZHO
three passer rating. You can see good. It can be
one of those musical shows. It can be an athlete,
It can be an interview, it could be a first date.
You can see stuff. Or do they say men decide
(02:21):
in eight seconds, women decide in eight minutes if they
want to spend any time with this person. So Caleb
Williams was sold as a generational talent. We were all
hoping it would be this generation, right, Like how long
do you want us.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
To ask last.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And wait, so remember this Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson's first
year with Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Let's go back to that.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Remember that that Lions team twenty twenty two was not
the roster it is now. The old line wasn't quite set.
Jared Goff first year with Ben Johnson. Now the Bears
coach led the NFL twenty nine touchdown seven p seventh
and passer rating sixth in passing yards. And again, that
Lions team isn't the one now. That's three off seasons ago.
The Lions team now I don't think is as good
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offensively as the Bears team right now with their personnel.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So I feel this.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Quarterbacks in twenty twenty five are a little bit like
streaming shows.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
If you're not getting me by the second episode early,
I'm out.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Used to be three year. Give Eli Manning three years.
Those days are over.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Private coaching seven on seven camps, you can transfer in
high school and college to.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
A better place. Those days are over.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
He's got to be good by late September and early October.
And that streaming show you know it and I know
it by the second episode. If you're eight ten minutes
ten and you're like the writing's bad. It doesn't work.
You're on to another streaming show or another service, and
so I think you got to grab people early in
this relationship. So Ben Johnson, yesterday as bad as it
(04:01):
was reported, but today, seven on seven drills, red zone
two picks not good. Here's Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I know some people enjoyed me throwing the first team
out of practice.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Not the case.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
We got to end up.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Executing getting in and out of the huddle a certain way,
and it wasn't that way. And we're learning, we're growing.
You know, there were some things from the springtime expected
to carry over that that was probably one we just
don't have any tolerance for anymore. We got we got
too far to go.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, I mean we've this is year two generational talent.
Hopefully this one. Ota is three days at camp, every
day at something else. I like him a lot, but
the critics make good points.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Hero Ball runs backwards.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
A lot of this NFL quarterback stuff is workout thick
and getting in and out of plays and not making
big airs. I say this all the time about Mahomes
about three times a game, jaw dropping twenty seven dropbacks.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
He's just hitting the drag routes.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So Caleb right now struggling with the layup stuff, the
easy stuff. Don't throw picks in the red zone, dirt it.
So you know what they say, red zone. You got
to throw it lower out of the end zone. Right,
So today two picks not great. So yesterday I did
a rant and it got a lot of It was
a couple of days ago and it got a lot
of play. And my rant was, anytime you talk Michael
(05:38):
and Lebron James, and Lebron's been in the news because
he hasn't made contact with new Laker Marcus. Smart guys
on vacation, put your phone down. When I go on vacation,
all run into people who's filling in for you. I
have no idea, it's not my company.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I put my phone down, I move on.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm going to defend Lebron on that we should all
put our phone downs and disappear when we go on
vacation and be with our kids and our families and
our wives and our in laws or whatever. So I
had this rant that Lebron will never be as beloved
as Michael because we went through the Michael journey with him.
We saw the Pistons beat him up, and he had
multiple coaches, and we saw the Celtics beat him up,
(06:14):
and we lived through his journey. He was a college
basketball player at Carolina, the great shot against Georgetown. So
sports makes you feel something, and Michael makes us feel something,
and Lebron has been you know. I called him and
my rant the ultimate basketball opportunist, and it was seen
as a shot at Lebron.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
And I want to.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Add clarity, it's not I would have left Cleveland the
first time too. Seven years couldn't get him an All Star.
You don't owe your first team that drafts you your
entire career. College kids now transfer two or three times.
But if I was Lebron, I would have stayed in
Miami because of Eric Spolstra, Mickey Harrison, the owner, and
pat Riley, no state tax. It's a winter league, warm
(06:56):
weather and the Miami Heat are always in contention great
free agents. I would have stayed there. Now people say, well,
Lebron his heart was in Cleveland. No, it wasn't. He
left it a second time. He understood going to Cleveland
was good for his brand. He didn't like being a villain.
He acknowledged that later. The Sports Illustrated the letter. And
I'm not banging on people who leave Cleveland. Our staff
(07:18):
put it a list today have people that have left Cleveland.
It's a lot of Drew Carey and George Steinbrenner and
Steve Harvey and Paul Newman and the Kelsey's and Drew
Carey and Logan Paul and Lebron James. A lot of
people leave Cleveland. There's just you know, there's New York,
there's Chicago in the Midwest, there's la There's London, there's
just there's Cleveland's not a place you have to stay
(07:41):
or that is always great for commerce. It's a great
place to be born and from. Sometimes it's not a
great place in your prime to be living right for
your career.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So I'm not banging on that.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But don't tell me that Lebron Cleveland's where his heart is.
He's not going to retire in Akron. And he left
it twice. And the reason he left it it was
time he wanted to go to LA. It was good
for his brand and he could play with bigger stars
because bigger stars like Luke and Ad liked the.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Brand play in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And so I go back to this is that the downside,
and I speak from experience to bouncing around the country
in your career. You know if anybody's followed me I Vegas, Tampa, Portland, Fox, ESPN.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
The downside of that is that.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You know, you never live in that cul de sac
where your kids grow up and they have lifelong friends.
I have to live with that. The upside to moving
around a lot. And Lebron has seen this. He's overall
played with better teammates. Michael's best teammate, He's got one
great one Scottie Pippen. Lebron's got d Wade and Kyrie
Irving and Chris Bosh and A d And Lebron's played
(08:51):
with more great players. Lebron's been to more finals. Lebron's
had fewer long droughts or battles within an organization. He
bails for commerce, and that's okay. But my whole point
was for athletes, we love the perseverance. There is a
(09:11):
beauty in the struggle. They make thirty for thirties on
the struggle. They're almost all about somebody overcoming turbulence, chaos,
fighting and winning. That's where they make thirty for thirties from.
And sports is romanticized and we've always thought of Michael
(09:34):
as part of our sports love story. Lebron has simply
been transactional. That's the downside to being the best basketball
opportunists ever. You played with better teammates, you made more finals,
you made a lot more money, by the way, as
a player.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
But it's hard to fall in love with that.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
You fall in in love with the people in your
cul de sac, same high school, same people you grew
up with. Thanksgiving, next door neighbor may just pop into
the house with a gift. You don't get that with Lebron,
and you got it with Michael. And that's really the difference.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I know you're thinking, I'm obsessing about this Caleb Williams stuff.
But Jaden Daniels hit, bow Nick's hit, I'm gonna be
all over JJ McCarthy. I think Drake May's hit. I
think the JJ McCarthy Caleb Williams stories.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
If these guys.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Hit and Petti's hits, it's a six for six draft
with quarterbacks in the first round.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Never happened.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And I do think struggling. It's red zone one day,
deep balls next day. Can't get into a play the
next day. It matters what athletes say. Well, you can't
take everything or anything from camp, you can take some stuff.
I remember last year j Mack Jayden Daniels I said
this five times on the air. I'm like, generally coaches
(11:03):
kind of keep quiet to lower expectations on rookies. And
we said this four or five times. Dan Quinn Kingsbury
kept coming out publicly and going, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And this was after like three practices.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You can watch those musical shows, the Voice from American
Idol years ago. You can see great very quickly. Now
it may be hard to tell good to very good,
or bad to disaster, but you can see awful and
you can see great very quickly. And I don't think
it takes long on a date or a job interview
or for a young quarterback to see trouble. Sean Payton
(11:42):
was texting me last year in camp and he was like,
kid's gonna be good. He said, give him a few starts.
You know, he's got to get up to the speed.
You know, nobody starters don't plan preseason, can't take a
ton for preseason. But he was saying, the kids got it.
He's going to be good soon and by October Voenix
was a really good quarterback.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Yeah, well it's a perfect seamless move from what Drew
Brees looked like in the pocket to Bo Nicks.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Very similar.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
You know, I look at Jared Goff and then I
look at Caleb Williams. Those are two polar opposite quarterbacks,
and I just wonder. I'm starting to wonder, and again
I probably shouldn't, but this is you hammering.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Away at Caleb Williams every day.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I'm starting to wonder, Like Ben Johnson, great offensive mind, we.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Don't know what he's going to be as a head coach.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Head coach is a lot more difficult than just being
an offensive coordinator. And so far, you know, Rocky Start,
maybe you're onto something.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
It is interesting when a guy comes with a great
reputation as a coordinator, like like, for instance, Kyle Shanahan
came in with a great reputation as a coordinator. That's
usually successful. I mean, Sean McVay came in and people
were saying, this guy's as sharp as any thirty year
old coaching person in the league, and he was a
(12:55):
home run. Now there are guys you're not sure how
it's going to work. But I mean Ben Johnson talked
about him for two years. We were like, dude, is
he is calling and dialing up misdirection trick plays like
he was? He was not your typical offensive coordinator like
he was somebody We were sort of mesmerized by it.
(13:16):
We were mesmerized by Kyle shanahan. So and by the way,
when Kevin O'Connell got the job in Minnesota, he was
called the tall Sean McVay. People said, yeah, he is
really sharp. When Demiko Ryans went to Houston defensive coach,
but I can remember making a call to the Niners
and they're like, bro. He moved up our organization in
two years. He was our sharpest assistant first day on
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the job. So I do think Ben feels like more
of a McVeigh, a shanahan or a Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Zach Taylor wasn't somebody.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
People said he was bright, but he didn't get all
the accolades of Ben Johnson or Kevin O'Connell or Kyle shanahan.
People say, you know, he's mcveigh's got but Raheem Morris.
People liked him, liked him. He didn't get the accolades.
Ben's coming in with a lot of momentum.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yeah, well, one thing we I totally forgotten to you
just said it now. So Belichick went from Drew Bled
so successful to Brady similar quarterbacks, big strapping pocket guys, right,
Andy Reid goes Donovan McNabb.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Who was, you know, really really good quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
We forget that, and to Patrick Mahomes similar like Ken Run,
but Ken Whitney, even Alex Smith was a mover.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Alex Smith was a mover. Jared Goff to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You would agree those are.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Not the same type of quarterbacks. Co and I just
wonder if the learning curve is a little larger for
Ben than we thought it might be.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I think that's a very legitimate and a very good point.
It's like going from Matt Ryan to Caleb Williams, Jared
Goff to Caleb Williams. Is it is a total different sensibility.
And I do think Andy Reid has mastered and Nick
Sirianni's done a good job with this. You have to
let athletes be athletes. John Harbaugh has always said there
are times Sean McDermott and the offensive coordinators at Buffalo
(14:58):
you gotta let Josh Allen be Josh Allen. You cannot
have a rigidity with coaching. So that's a very very
fair point the home you've worked so hard for.
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Speaker 1 (16:22):
Well, fans do it all the time. I understand it
when they do. Media does it too often. I don't
like it when they do. They pander instead of just
saying the truth out loud. Andrew Berry is a very
sharp general manager of the Cleveland Browns. I've said before
Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry have overcome a lot. I
think they're both top twenty five percent of the league
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at their respective jobs. Andrews smart and instead of pandering,
which the media constantly does with young athletes. Andrew Berry
said what Shador Sanders did getting two speeding tickets as
a fifth round draft as a quarterback was dumb.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Here he is, I'm not smart, just not smart.
Speaker 9 (17:07):
It's not just about, you know, driving a car really fast,
but it's about the fact that you can endanger other people.
It's about the fact that if a deer someone you know,
cuts out in front of you, like your reaction time,
it's just dangerous and it's not something that we want
our guys to be doing. It's not something that they
should be doing. And the number one reason is because
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we don't want some type of catastrophic accident.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
He's a fifth round pick. They haven't invested anything in him.
They could show him the door tomorrow. He's a quarterback.
The standards higher. I heard a lot of this, Colin.
It's no big deal. I've got a speeding ticket. Thirty
four percent of American men have been arrested. I'm going
to hold my quarterback to a little higher standard than
the general public. Seventy four percent of Americans are overweight.
(17:56):
Should my pro athlete, I mean, bob down the street?
Is again, there are standards. I need smarter, I need
more dedicated. I need more focus than young guys getting
arrested and people overweight. That's the average citizen. Fine, this
is not an average position. Quarterbacks don't get sick days.
You wake up with the sinus infection. You're out, they do,
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grab your helmet. Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Get in the huddle. Hurry up.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Two speeding tickets. Fifth round quarterback is dumb, you know,
speeding ticket becomes not knowing the formation on Sunday, Like,
it's just not that difficult. Quarterbacks are supposed to put
out fires, not stardom. So Andrew Berry is speaking the
truth out loud. Whenever I hear this, well I've done
this or I've done that. That's not the standard I'm
(18:47):
shooting for quarterback NFL franchise. There's thirty two starting jobs
in the country like that.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I mean, teams give you about a year and a
half and then move off you. You have to make impressions.
So I just appreciate a general manager going to a
podium and not pandering. Just call it out not good enough.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
This is the headline news, all right.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Colin Jets fans myself included breathing a sigh of release
today as Justin Fields is back running now, he's just
jogging here. You could see him with this helmet this
after getting stepped on and getting suffering a fractured non
big toe injury.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Now he is not doing all of the quarterback drills.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Did look like he was moving fine there to sign autographs.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
He's fine, don't listen.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
It's July. I don't want to see him in action.
If the Jets have any hope of being competitive and
a decent watch, you need Fields under center.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
There's what does their schedule look like.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Let's be fair because you take with Aaron Rodgers, if
you extrapolate Justin Field's numbers last year in Pittsburgh, he
only got six starts.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
He had a pretty good year.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
I don't, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I look at this schedule and I think if you
look at the Jets personnel, there's a lot of winnable
games early. It's not a tough schedule, certainly not a
tough schedule in the middle with Atlanta, Miami, Jacksonville, the
Saints in New England. Near the end, you got Cleveland
and New England to buy in Carolina. This is a
very workable schedule. If all I'm saying is I like
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a lot of their players, and I like Justin Fields.
I don't know if he's a franchise guy, but there'll
be no excuses.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
This is a schedule. You can win ten games? Oh,
no question, what.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Do you what? How many fighting?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Find me ten.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Wins on the schedule?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Pittsburgh, that's not a lot. The Steelers have a higher
wind total than the Jets.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You get the Steelers at home. Oh, I get the
Cowboys at home. I get Carolina at home. I get
Cleveland at home. I get these are not formed. They'll
be favored in those games.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Potentially, they'll be favored in probably five games, Saints Panthers.
They'll be favored in some of those games.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
But right now I do Are they gonna get swept
by the Patriots? Probably? Are they that much better than
they struggle with the Patriots last year?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I think the Dolphins are gonna be a challenge for
them in in Week four.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I don't know. Man.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
If you ask me, Jason, how many wins for the
Jets this year, I'll go six and eleven?
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Is that reasonable? Are you saying eight?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah? No, I think there are a six seven win team.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I think there's a big chunk of the league, a
big chunk of the league that feels like a six
or seven win team. And I think the Jets are
in that space.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Now you if Garrett Wilson happens to go down or something,
you can downshift that by two wins because their skilled.
You want to guess who the Jets number two receiver
is right now, Josh Reynolds who was in.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Detroit a few years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
The devents around laying down more more before, Yeah, yeah,
more of a So that's their number two.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
They had DeVante Adams last year.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
There's just not a lot of wiggle room on the
outside transition here for my Jets.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Let's go to a.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
College football and your guy Bill Belichick very quiet on
the Bill.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Belichick front lately, Colin, but the.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Six times Super Bowl champion head coach is planning to
build UNC's college program just like an NFL team.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Here he is at ACC media day.
Speaker 10 (22:27):
That's a pro program, practice training, food, schemes, terminology, it's
all a pro program, not to the extent that we
did it in the NFL. There'll be fewer plays, fewer adjustments,
but it will be along those lines.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
And you know, we use what we need.
Speaker 10 (22:44):
There's some things that we I don't think we're gonna
need at this level, and there's other things that we
are Things like that you just have to, you know,
take them into consideration, but fundamentally, we're gonna do as
much as we can at a pro system.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I thought he was actually pretty good at Media Day.
I thought he lightened up. I think, you know, it's
funny when you watch that. And a lot of people
didn't like the last documentary on him. They thought Bob
Kraft leaked a lot of stuff to make Belichick look bad.
But if you go back to Belichick's first three or
four years in New England, and maybe it was Spygate
to flay Gate, all the gates, he was actually pretty
(23:21):
funny with the media, and I think he's been better
with the media on the college campus. I'm really fascinated
by this story because we said yesterday, take Clemson out.
Everybody on that schedule is in a rebuild or is
a five to six win program. Syracuse was good last year,
but they lost that quarterback I liked, and they lost
fifteen starters. That schedule is screaming nine to ten wins.
(23:43):
So I can't wait to watch this thing.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Well, Okay, so I was doing some research on unc
before this segment, and again what we talked about at
a very outset of the show quarterback coach symmetry.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Belichick thrived with Bledsoe.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Then break how did it go with Cam Newton when
he was under center?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
From Paul Belichick, I would say this, the NFL is
not college. The NFL is much more quarterback centric in college.
If I have great I mean Georgie's had great players
as Georgia had great Georgia's had one great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
In my life, Matt Stafford.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
They've won a lot of football games with a lot
of guys sitting on NFL benches. Alabama has won a
lot of national championships. USC tell me all the great
USC NFL quarterbacks, Name six, name four. So Carson Palmer
was obviously really gifted. So thea college football is about
to me is about the coach and the roster. NFL
(24:39):
is about the coach and the quarterback. And so I
think Bill his ability. You know, CAROLINEA has got some
money here. So their quarterback is average, which I think
would really hurt them in the Big ten of the SEC.
But I think an average quarterback Bill's recruiting, they can
win every game except Clemson.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
They're not ready to beat.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Clemson, and Clemson's got the best quarterback by a mile
in that conference.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
So that's why I brought up quarterback. I looked into
Giovanni Lopez. He's going to be the starter. He was
a three star guy in twenty twenty two Colin he
committed to South Alabama. Well, that was the level he
was at three years ago. Now I haven't seen him.
I haven't seen the practice footage. But a little bit
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of a bill climb for Belichick rolling with Giovanni Lopez
when he's got a Facebook cave club Nick of Clemson,
who's a high sech contender, and you seem to think
his first round potential.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
You know, when Dion went to Colorado, he had his
son quarterbacking, so that was an advantage Belichick doesn't. So
but I think Belichick has a better overall roster in
year one at Carolina than Dion Sanders had at Colorado.
I just think, you know, Travis Hunter and the Shader Sanders,
it's nice to bring your son along hist quarterback. So
(25:54):
I think Bill's staff is better than Dion's was. I
think Bill's rosters better than Dion was year one, but
sdeor Sanders is better than.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Who they have, you know, taken.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Miss Aulivid, people I think UNC's in playoff contention all year.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I'm just betting on Belichick.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Final story, Colin, not great.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Hey, Kaitlyn Clark, she's been out of action. People are
probably wondering, Hey, you guys have really talked less about
the WNBA lately.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Yeah, because Kaitlin Clark's hurt. She didn't play last night.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
They won.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
But what's more interesting is Clark spoke a little bit
about injuries being.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
A pro athlete.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
How's this for a quote, Colin, This is the first
time I haven't felt like a young body that can
run around and sprint every day and just continue to
do that. Being a pro athlete, you really have to
take care of both your body and mind.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
It's been a journey learning about that. Now.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
That makes it sound like she's just worn down, like
this is the first time I can't just run.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Around and be a young person. Well, you're still young, Kaitlyn.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You're like years old, so let's be you know, it's
funny anytime I talk about the WNBA, I get pushedback,
and I swear to God it ninety percent of what
I say is positive. And I'll just say this, it's
taken the WNBA, you know, a couple of years to
figure out how popular she is. They have one more
big move to make as a league. They've got to
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get better officiating. They guards in the WNBA get attacked.
I mean, go look at the number of total players
and the number of injured players in the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And the NBA, which has better officials, you'll notice this.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
They they are more.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Willing to call a quick whistle in the regular season
to keep their players healthy for the postseason. They want
their stars available for the postseason. Then of the postseason,
let them play. That makes for good basketball, but they
kind of protect their players regular season. The WNBA officiates
like the NBA does in the postseason, people getting knocked
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to the floor, and I think this is a learning curve.
You want our best players healthy for the playoffs, then
you can take the whistle out. Have physicality, have some tussles,
have some real animosity.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
That makes for a very good TV.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But over the course of a long regular season, you
don't want your players getting beat up. I mean, even
in baseball, you manage differently in a playoff series than
a regular season. In June, so I think the league
has got to get better officiating and blow the whistle
in the regular season. Protect Angel Reees last night did
not play. The number of injured WNB against all a
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learning curve. This league is paying their refs less than
college back according to the Washington Post, less than college
basketball reps.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Make that can't be the case.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
So, Colin, I'm sure you know that Caitlin Clark's Fever
are coming out here to play the Sparks early next month,
within the next like fifteen days, two weeks. My family
we've inquired about tickets and now we're holding off to
see if Katelin Clark's going to be there. I'm not
gonna lie and listen, I know the Sparks are good,
They're an attraction. We're interested in the Sparks, but my
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daughter wants to.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
See Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Sure you know, So like, we're not gonna get tickets
yet until we find out of Clark's playing. And I'll
just say this, in the NFL, they protect the quarterback.
And I know fans hate it when you breathe on
mahomes of birth. Fans hate it, but that is smart.
I hate it when it happens, but it is smart.
You got it, Like you said, you got to start
protecting the money makers.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, no, no, I remember it was about ten. I was
at the other place. It was probably twelve years ago
when the NFL came out and got very protective at quarterbacks,
and everybody whined and complained about it, and I said,
go look at the old Terry Bradshaw films and the
old Joe Montana films. When these guys were getting grabbed
and driven into the turf. It's like, that's not what
you want. The bottom line is rules are an insurance policy,
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and the players are mansions and sports cars. Protect them,
get insurance. You want your best players available for longer stretches,
especially in playoff basketball. NBA's figured it out. Give Adam
Silver credit. They'll blow a quick whistle in the regular season,
but you go to the postseason, then I'll deal with animosity.
Then I'll deal with the physicality because it's a much shorter,
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more intense season.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
J mckle the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd line.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Jack I said yesterday on this show it is time.
I'm gonna take a little pivot because I think this
is Aaron Rodgers last season. I don't want to be
negative guy any thoughd interception yesterday and everybody got worked up,
and uh, I'm going to defend him. And Nick Saban
made a veiled reference toward our show as well.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
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Speaker 2 (30:44):
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Speaker 3 (30:52):
So I'm reading an article this morning.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
And the headline to the article, which I disagree with,
is Aaron Rodgers has a lot more to lose with
the Steelers than he did with the Jets. And I
thought a lot about this, and I think my opinion
that's going to stick is that did the Wizards hurt
Michael Jordan's legacy? Did Phoenix Cleveland Celtics hurt Shacks? It's
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not about the ending. Marlon Brando is considered the greatest
actor of all time YouTube in some time, fascinating interview.
He had three or four atrocious movies. Nobody cares. We
judge you in your prime. We judge you at the pinnacle,
not the turbulence and the bumpy ending. Not every Beatles
(31:43):
song was great, and we don't talk about the ones
that missed. We've never spent a second talking about Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
In the Mummy. We don't do that.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Aaron's prime was thirteen years, four MVPs and a Super
Bowl trophy, and he played great. It puts him top
twelve all time. Certainly one of the prettiest passers I've
ever seen, up there with Dan Marino, maybe number one
or number two. He's a little trickly and independent as
a personality. That's okay, everybody's different. He is one of
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the most gifted throwers the football of all time, and
he is in a top twelve of all time. I
actually prefer him over Brett Farv. Brett Farv is a gunslinger.
I don't think he ages well over time. Gun Slingers
don't work anymore. They become Jameis Winston. And he's better
than Jameis Winston. But Aaron could have played thirty years ago,
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and Aaron in his prime was great.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Farv was really good, being hard to coach, not necessarily
reading coverages, and just using his talent. I don't think
that ages as well today. I think football is much
smarter today than it was years ago. So I think,
much like being in the mob, once you're great, you're
a made man. Now like the Mob, it does knows
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end well. But I think we have to be fair
with Aaron Rodgers. If he goes seven to nine in Pittsburgh,
he gets hurt in week thirteen or doesn't play particularly well,
nobody cares. Go look at Johnny Unidas's last team. Go
look at Michael Jordan and the Wizards, a Keen Patrick
Ewing Shack. It doesn't matter now Brady, you know, and
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this is rare left and was great in Tampa. That
sort of adds to Brady's legend. But the truth was
it really only if you really look at what Tampa
did for Brady, it separated him in the was it
Brady or Belichick in New England argument? Clearly it was
more Brady than Belichick. He won the divorce, he won
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the argument, but he still would have been the all
time greatest quarterback because all of his hardware. So I
don't I mean, Aaron had an interception yesterday, I don't
make anything of that. And I'm not going to make
a lot out of six and eleven or seven and ten.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Here's erin.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
It's good to have to win.
Speaker 11 (33:57):
I mean, anybody's watched me practice over the years, you know,
he'd like to try certain throws at certain times, and
anybody that's watched me in the games knows. And I've
been pretty stellar taking care of the football over the year.
So it's gonna be a good challenge for me. Throwing
this heat every single day I look forward to. But
I'm gonna throw some picks. I'm gonna throw some touchdowns too.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, I just I don't think if you look at actors,
politicians were like Bernie Sanders in his prime. In Bernie
Sanders today, you know, you get to be seventy five
as a politician. I don't know how judgmental I can
get the same with quarterbacks once you get into your forties.
I'm not holding it against you. I mean, that doesn't
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mean Matt Stafford wins the Super Bowl this year. It
can't elevate his legacy. It doesn't mean if Brady's good
in Tampa. It can't mean he really definitively won the
divorce with Belichick. Yes, there can be more upside, but
I it's Marlon Brando, it's the Beatles, it's Tom Cruise
in their prime.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I'm best. So you know, there's been a.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Story this week, j Mac, and it is very much
a Connect the Dot story. Jimmy Sexton, Nick Saban, Jimmy
Haslam and I have said I think Saban will not
go to college. But when Greg McElroy and Lane Kiffen,
who know him very, very very well, said there's a
(35:24):
lot of talk about him coming back to coaching, I
don't think it's college. I discussed it this week. College
is now the NIL is so expensive. You have to
go to your boosters to get fifteen to eighteen million
dollars to pay the players. You're not going to buy
out your coach at another seventy million and then pay
seventy five million to get Saban. Just the NIL actually
helps coaches get two or three more years. You're raising
(35:48):
so much money to pay the players. You're not buying
out staffs at seventy million dollars too, and then paying
seventy million for the next coach. He's not going to college.
Would he take a call and consider the NFL. That's
all I've said, yes, And Saman was on Fox News
and could have given an absolutely definitive answer.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Instead, he said this.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
There is no opportunity that I know of right now
that I would enhance me to go back to coaching.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Right now. I mean, I'm not hungry right now. I'm
not tired right now, but I'm going to eat and
sleep later. Right. Yes and no, our definitive answers absolutely
or never are definitive answers. The specificity with that answer
(36:38):
was intentional. It was I mean, if you kind of
right now, you ever getting divorced? I mean, right now,
I'm happy with my current wife.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
You know that's not.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
The answer you want to hear. It's never, I'm wildly
in love. Well right now, it's leaving the door open.
And by the way, I can bring up an old
Nick Saban press conference from Miami.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I could do that, So why don't we do that here?
It is? Well, then, I guess I have to say it.
I'm not going to be the Alabama coach. What I
shouldn't even have to comment on this. I think I've
said this over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
There's also not one opening now. Arch Manning is still
a college player now, So I'm just saying I thought
it was very intentional. There's not a place I'm going
to leave for right now. And I don't even think
this is an argument like that that's very open. That's
very gray, and he may not take the job. I'm
not saying definitively he's going to I'm saying if Cleveland
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ends up with a number one pick, if the Saints
end up with a number one pick and take arch Manning,
he's coast in Louisiana, he's coast in Ohio.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
He's taking the call.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
He may go to Miss Terry discuss it for a
couple of days, but I know what he kind of
makes at ESPN. He's gonna make about thirty percent more
or more than that coach in college pro football. He'll
take the call. I don't think he's going to college.
So I mean, yes, no, absolutely never. Those are definitives.
(38:26):
Now I'm not tired right now means you will probably
eventually sleep right, like we all, this isn't this isn't
a reach by me. I thought that was a very
intentional answer.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
And that's okay that you know.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I mean, broadcasters have a right to leave any time
they want, much easier to leave broadcasting jobs. Bill Parcells
did that multiple times. Nobody's gonna hold it against you.
I think dig Vermeial may have or may have not.
Let nobody's holding it against you. You know, you leave
a college, you leave a job. But I'm just saying,
and there's going to be jobs, not just random jobs open.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Arch Manning going to.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
A place Nick As coached the Dallas Cowboys could be opened.
There are years. Last year there was one great job
opening and Harbaugh took it. Justin Herbert la Market decent roster.
That was a great job opening. Matt lafleorda green Bay.
That was a That's one of the best job openings ever.
Aaron Rodgers well run organization. By the way, when McCarthy
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took the Cowboys Dak Prescott closer to his prime, I
wasn't a bad job opening. A lot of them are rebuilds.
He's not going to a total rebuild. But if he's
going to be watching all these college quarterbacks, Okay, you
tell me watch that Clemson kid, or he watches Arch Manning,
or he watches Drew Aller and all of a sudden
the Saints or Cleveland can get those guys. He's absolutely
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taken the call and he's absolutely considering.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Yeah, and Colins lines up perfectly with what you like
to say. When you get new information, sometimes you change
your mind right on. At fleets on coaches and openings,
I think is the same thing.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Nick Saban says he's happy where he's doing.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Right now, and then if you know arch manding lines
up to the Jets or the Browns or whatever happens.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Sure, I'm sure he's going to take the call. Now.
The real interesting.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
One is what goes on in Dallas is that someone
Jerry Jones would want to hire.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Do you want Saban?
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Do you want Dion Sanders, who I personally think Colorado
takes a big step back this year.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
I'm sure Joel Klatten knows more.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
So it's interesting Belichick had no interest going west. If
you looked at who we interviewed for jobs, it was
mostly you know, he's got a place on like Jupiter, Florida, Nantucket.
Bill didn't want to be out west. Tom Brady frankly
had told people, you know, he went to Tampa, He
considered Miami. Tom didn't really want to go west at
the time with Jasellell the kids, right, he didn't want
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to go west. So my take is Texas for Saban.
I mean he and his wife, Miss Terry, they call her.
They flew to Austin, Texas or she did. When Member
he lost to Auburn and there was a lot of
heat on Saban, and it was like, you guys have Saban.
Everybody loses in big rivalries. At Michigan twenty point dog
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just beat Ohio State slow down.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
But it kind of ticked Saban off.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
He ended up getting a great deal from Alabama to
go back. He got somebody to pay off his house,
he got a car dealership. He was so ticked off
by that. But Texas Saints feel like, you know, he's
got his lake house. I could see that very much
with him quick private jet from Dallas to his lake
house in Georgia or New Orleans. That just feels like
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those fit. He's taken. First of all, he's getting a call,
takes it.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I don't know.
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Oh and there's already news breaking, my kind of news.
All right. Former Bears Jach Day wants that joins us
in an hour. It is another bumpy day, Jmax for
Caleb Williams. So we know an OTAs Ben Jonson dot
you know, a little miffed couldn't get the play into
(00:51):
the huddle. They're asking them to do some different stuff
sometimes under center.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
A lot of those.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Coaches like that. Sean Payton likes that. So are you
ready for the new news? Jmac laying on me, big guy. Okay,
So yesterday, three days ago, he struggled. Ben Johnson was furious,
couldn't get to play in and out. Yesterday struggled with
a deep ball. Today Caleb Williams two red zone picks,
(01:20):
one tip ball, another one horrible pass. So three days
in a row. It's gotten a little bumpy for Caleb Williams.
So people say, I hear athletes say this. I hear
people say that you can't take a lot from camp.
You can see red flags positive negative, Andrew Luck, Jaden
Daniels first week of camp, Commander's colts. You were hearing
(01:43):
glowing reports. Disastrous first dates rarely become great, thirty year marriages.
I've interviewed lots of people in my life. Disastrous interviews
never become great.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Higher it matters.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Sean pay eight and last year was texting me in August.
He's like bow knicks. That may take a few starts.
Guy's gonna be good by October. Bo Nicks one ZHO
three passer rating. You can see good. It can be
one of those musical shows. It can be an athlete,
It can be an interview, it could be a first date.
You can see stuff. Or do they say men decide
(02:21):
in eight seconds, women decide in eight minutes if they
want to spend any time with this person. So Caleb
Williams was sold as a generational talent. We were all
hoping it would be this generation, right, Like how long
do you want us.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
To ask last.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And wait, so remember this Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson's first
year with Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Let's go back to that.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Remember that that Lions team twenty twenty two was not
the roster it is now. The old line wasn't quite set.
Jared Goff first year with Ben Johnson. Now the Bears
coach led the NFL twenty nine touchdown seven p seventh
and passer rating sixth in passing yards. And again, that
Lions team isn't the one now. That's three off seasons ago.
The Lions team now I don't think is as good
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offensively as the Bears team right now with their personnel.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So I feel this.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Quarterbacks in twenty twenty five are a little bit like
streaming shows.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
If you're not getting me by the second episode early,
I'm out.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Used to be three year. Give Eli Manning three years.
Those days are over.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Private coaching seven on seven camps, you can transfer in
high school and college to.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
A better place. Those days are over.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
He's got to be good by late September and early October.
And that streaming show you know it and I know
it by the second episode. If you're eight ten minutes
ten and you're like the writing's bad. It doesn't work.
You're on to another streaming show or another service, and
so I think you got to grab people early in
this relationship. So Ben Johnson, yesterday as bad as it
(04:01):
was reported, but today, seven on seven drills, red zone
two picks not good. Here's Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I know some people enjoyed me throwing the first team
out of practice.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Not the case.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
We got to end up.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Executing getting in and out of the huddle a certain way,
and it wasn't that way. And we're learning, we're growing.
You know, there were some things from the springtime expected
to carry over that that was probably one we just
don't have any tolerance for anymore. We got we got
too far to go.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, I mean we've this is year two generational talent.
Hopefully this one. Ota is three days at camp, every
day at something else. I like him a lot, but
the critics make good points.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Hero Ball runs backwards.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
A lot of this NFL quarterback stuff is workout thick
and getting in and out of plays and not making
big airs. I say this all the time about Mahomes
about three times a game, jaw dropping twenty seven dropbacks.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
He's just hitting the drag routes.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So Caleb right now struggling with the layup stuff, the
easy stuff. Don't throw picks in the red zone, dirt it.
So you know what they say, red zone. You got
to throw it lower out of the end zone. Right,
So today two picks not great. So yesterday I did
a rant and it got a lot of It was
a couple of days ago and it got a lot
of play. And my rant was, anytime you talk Michael
(05:38):
and Lebron James, and Lebron's been in the news because
he hasn't made contact with new Laker Marcus. Smart guys
on vacation, put your phone down. When I go on vacation,
all run into people who's filling in for you. I
have no idea, it's not my company.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I put my phone down, I move on.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm going to defend Lebron on that we should all
put our phone downs and disappear when we go on
vacation and be with our kids and our families and
our wives and our in laws or whatever. So I
had this rant that Lebron will never be as beloved
as Michael because we went through the Michael journey with him.
We saw the Pistons beat him up, and he had
multiple coaches, and we saw the Celtics beat him up,
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and we lived through his journey. He was a college
basketball player at Carolina, the great shot against Georgetown. So
sports makes you feel something, and Michael makes us feel something,
and Lebron has been you know. I called him and
my rant the ultimate basketball opportunist, and it was seen
as a shot at Lebron.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
And I want to.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Add clarity, it's not I would have left Cleveland the
first time too. Seven years couldn't get him an All Star.
You don't owe your first team that drafts you your
entire career. College kids now transfer two or three times.
But if I was Lebron, I would have stayed in
Miami because of Eric Spolstra, Mickey Harrison, the owner, and
pat Riley, no state tax. It's a winter league, warm
(06:56):
weather and the Miami Heat are always in contention great
free agents. I would have stayed there. Now people say, well,
Lebron his heart was in Cleveland. No, it wasn't. He
left it a second time. He understood going to Cleveland
was good for his brand. He didn't like being a villain.
He acknowledged that later. The Sports Illustrated the letter. And
I'm not banging on people who leave Cleveland. Our staff
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put it a list today have people that have left Cleveland.
It's a lot of Drew Carey and George Steinbrenner and
Steve Harvey and Paul Newman and the Kelsey's and Drew
Carey and Logan Paul and Lebron James. A lot of
people leave Cleveland. There's just you know, there's New York,
there's Chicago in the Midwest, there's la There's London, there's
just there's Cleveland's not a place you have to stay
(07:41):
or that is always great for commerce. It's a great
place to be born and from. Sometimes it's not a
great place in your prime to be living right for
your career.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So I'm not banging on that.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But don't tell me that Lebron Cleveland's where his heart is.
He's not going to retire in Akron. And he left
it twice. And the reason he left it it was
time he wanted to go to LA. It was good
for his brand and he could play with bigger stars
because bigger stars like Luke and Ad liked the.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Brand play in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And so I go back to this is that the downside,
and I speak from experience to bouncing around the country
in your career. You know if anybody's followed me I Vegas, Tampa, Portland, Fox, ESPN.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
The downside of that is that.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You know, you never live in that cul de sac
where your kids grow up and they have lifelong friends.
I have to live with that. The upside to moving
around a lot. And Lebron has seen this. He's overall
played with better teammates. Michael's best teammate, He's got one
great one Scottie Pippen. Lebron's got d Wade and Kyrie
Irving and Chris Bosh and A d And Lebron's played
(08:51):
with more great players. Lebron's been to more finals. Lebron's
had fewer long droughts or battles within an organization. He
bails for commerce, and that's okay. But my whole point
was for athletes, we love the perseverance. There is a
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beauty in the struggle. They make thirty for thirties on
the struggle. They're almost all about somebody overcoming turbulence, chaos,
fighting and winning. That's where they make thirty for thirties from.
And sports is romanticized and we've always thought of Michael
(09:34):
as part of our sports love story. Lebron has simply
been transactional. That's the downside to being the best basketball
opportunists ever. You played with better teammates, you made more finals,
you made a lot more money, by the way, as
a player.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
But it's hard to fall in love with that.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
You fall in in love with the people in your
cul de sac, same high school, same people you grew
up with. Thanksgiving, next door neighbor may just pop into
the house with a gift. You don't get that with Lebron,
and you got it with Michael. And that's really the difference.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I know you're thinking, I'm obsessing about this Caleb Williams stuff.
But Jaden Daniels hit, bow Nick's hit, I'm gonna be
all over JJ McCarthy. I think Drake May's hit. I
think the JJ McCarthy Caleb Williams stories.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
If these guys.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Hit and Petti's hits, it's a six for six draft
with quarterbacks in the first round.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Never happened.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And I do think struggling. It's red zone one day,
deep balls next day. Can't get into a play the
next day. It matters what athletes say. Well, you can't
take everything or anything from camp, you can take some stuff.
I remember last year j Mack Jayden Daniels I said
this five times on the air. I'm like, generally coaches
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kind of keep quiet to lower expectations on rookies. And
we said this four or five times. Dan Quinn Kingsbury
kept coming out publicly and going, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And this was after like three practices.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You can watch those musical shows, the Voice from American
Idol years ago. You can see great very quickly. Now
it may be hard to tell good to very good,
or bad to disaster, but you can see awful and
you can see great very quickly. And I don't think
it takes long on a date or a job interview
or for a young quarterback to see trouble. Sean Payton
(11:42):
was texting me last year in camp and he was like,
kid's gonna be good. He said, give him a few starts.
You know, he's got to get up to the speed.
You know, nobody starters don't plan preseason, can't take a
ton for preseason. But he was saying, the kids got it.
He's going to be good soon and by October Voenix
was a really good quarterback.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Yeah, well it's a perfect seamless move from what Drew
Brees looked like in the pocket to Bo Nicks.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Very similar.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
You know, I look at Jared Goff and then I
look at Caleb Williams. Those are two polar opposite quarterbacks,
and I just wonder. I'm starting to wonder, and again
I probably shouldn't, but this is you hammering.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Away at Caleb Williams every day.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I'm starting to wonder, Like Ben Johnson, great offensive mind, we.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Don't know what he's going to be as a head coach.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Head coach is a lot more difficult than just being
an offensive coordinator. And so far, you know, Rocky Start,
maybe you're onto something.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
It is interesting when a guy comes with a great
reputation as a coordinator, like like, for instance, Kyle Shanahan
came in with a great reputation as a coordinator. That's
usually successful. I mean, Sean McVay came in and people
were saying, this guy's as sharp as any thirty year
old coaching person in the league, and he was a
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home run. Now there are guys you're not sure how
it's going to work. But I mean Ben Johnson talked
about him for two years. We were like, dude, is
he is calling and dialing up misdirection trick plays like
he was? He was not your typical offensive coordinator like
he was somebody We were sort of mesmerized by it.
(13:16):
We were mesmerized by Kyle shanahan. So and by the way,
when Kevin O'Connell got the job in Minnesota, he was
called the tall Sean McVay. People said, yeah, he is
really sharp. When Demiko Ryans went to Houston defensive coach,
but I can remember making a call to the Niners
and they're like, bro. He moved up our organization in
two years. He was our sharpest assistant first day on
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the job. So I do think Ben feels like more
of a McVeigh, a shanahan or a Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Zach Taylor wasn't somebody.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
People said he was bright, but he didn't get all
the accolades of Ben Johnson or Kevin O'Connell or Kyle shanahan.
People say, you know, he's mcveigh's got but Raheem Morris.
People liked him, liked him. He didn't get the accolades.
Ben's coming in with a lot of momentum.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yeah, well, one thing we I totally forgotten to you
just said it now. So Belichick went from Drew Bled
so successful to Brady similar quarterbacks, big strapping pocket guys, right,
Andy Reid goes Donovan McNabb.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Who was, you know, really really good quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
We forget that, and to Patrick Mahomes similar like Ken Run,
but Ken Whitney, even Alex Smith was a mover.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Alex Smith was a mover. Jared Goff to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You would agree those are.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Not the same type of quarterbacks. Co and I just
wonder if the learning curve is a little larger for
Ben than we thought it might be.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I think that's a very legitimate and a very good point.
It's like going from Matt Ryan to Caleb Williams, Jared
Goff to Caleb Williams. Is it is a total different sensibility.
And I do think Andy Reid has mastered and Nick
Sirianni's done a good job with this. You have to
let athletes be athletes. John Harbaugh has always said there
are times Sean McDermott and the offensive coordinators at Buffalo
(14:58):
you gotta let Josh Allen be Josh Allen. You cannot
have a rigidity with coaching. So that's a very very
fair point the home you've worked so hard for.
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Speaker 1 (16:22):
Well, fans do it all the time. I understand it
when they do. Media does it too often. I don't
like it when they do. They pander instead of just
saying the truth out loud. Andrew Berry is a very
sharp general manager of the Cleveland Browns. I've said before
Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry have overcome a lot. I
think they're both top twenty five percent of the league
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at their respective jobs. Andrews smart and instead of pandering,
which the media constantly does with young athletes. Andrew Berry
said what Shador Sanders did getting two speeding tickets as
a fifth round draft as a quarterback was dumb.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Here he is, I'm not smart, just not smart.
Speaker 9 (17:07):
It's not just about, you know, driving a car really fast,
but it's about the fact that you can endanger other people.
It's about the fact that if a deer someone you know,
cuts out in front of you, like your reaction time,
it's just dangerous and it's not something that we want
our guys to be doing. It's not something that they
should be doing. And the number one reason is because
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we don't want some type of catastrophic accident.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
He's a fifth round pick. They haven't invested anything in him.
They could show him the door tomorrow. He's a quarterback.
The standards higher. I heard a lot of this, Colin.
It's no big deal. I've got a speeding ticket. Thirty
four percent of American men have been arrested. I'm going
to hold my quarterback to a little higher standard than
the general public. Seventy four percent of Americans are overweight.
(17:56):
Should my pro athlete, I mean, bob down the street?
Is again, there are standards. I need smarter, I need
more dedicated. I need more focus than young guys getting
arrested and people overweight. That's the average citizen. Fine, this
is not an average position. Quarterbacks don't get sick days.
You wake up with the sinus infection. You're out, they do,
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grab your helmet. Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Get in the huddle. Hurry up.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Two speeding tickets. Fifth round quarterback is dumb, you know,
speeding ticket becomes not knowing the formation on Sunday, Like,
it's just not that difficult. Quarterbacks are supposed to put
out fires, not stardom. So Andrew Berry is speaking the
truth out loud. Whenever I hear this, well I've done
this or I've done that. That's not the standard I'm
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shooting for quarterback NFL franchise. There's thirty two starting jobs
in the country like that.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I mean, teams give you about a year and a
half and then move off you. You have to make impressions.
So I just appreciate a general manager going to a
podium and not pandering. Just call it out not good enough.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
This is the headline news, all right.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Colin Jets fans myself included breathing a sigh of release
today as Justin Fields is back running now, he's just
jogging here. You could see him with this helmet this
after getting stepped on and getting suffering a fractured non
big toe injury.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Now he is not doing all of the quarterback drills.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Did look like he was moving fine there to sign autographs.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
He's fine, don't listen.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
It's July. I don't want to see him in action.
If the Jets have any hope of being competitive and
a decent watch, you need Fields under center.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
There's what does their schedule look like.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Let's be fair because you take with Aaron Rodgers, if
you extrapolate Justin Field's numbers last year in Pittsburgh, he
only got six starts.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
He had a pretty good year.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
I don't, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I look at this schedule and I think if you
look at the Jets personnel, there's a lot of winnable
games early. It's not a tough schedule, certainly not a
tough schedule in the middle with Atlanta, Miami, Jacksonville, the
Saints in New England. Near the end, you got Cleveland
and New England to buy in Carolina. This is a
very workable schedule. If all I'm saying is I like
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a lot of their players, and I like Justin Fields.
I don't know if he's a franchise guy, but there'll
be no excuses.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
This is a schedule. You can win ten games? Oh,
no question, what.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Do you what? How many fighting?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Find me ten.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Wins on the schedule?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Pittsburgh, that's not a lot. The Steelers have a higher
wind total than the Jets.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You get the Steelers at home. Oh, I get the
Cowboys at home. I get Carolina at home. I get
Cleveland at home. I get these are not formed. They'll
be favored in those games.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Potentially, they'll be favored in probably five games, Saints Panthers.
They'll be favored in some of those games.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
But right now I do Are they gonna get swept
by the Patriots? Probably? Are they that much better than
they struggle with the Patriots last year?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I think the Dolphins are gonna be a challenge for
them in in Week four.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I don't know. Man.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
If you ask me, Jason, how many wins for the
Jets this year, I'll go six and eleven?
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Is that reasonable? Are you saying eight?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah? No, I think there are a six seven win team.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I think there's a big chunk of the league, a
big chunk of the league that feels like a six
or seven win team. And I think the Jets are
in that space.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Now you if Garrett Wilson happens to go down or something,
you can downshift that by two wins because their skilled.
You want to guess who the Jets number two receiver
is right now, Josh Reynolds who was in.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Detroit a few years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
The devents around laying down more more before, Yeah, yeah,
more of a So that's their number two.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
They had DeVante Adams last year.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
There's just not a lot of wiggle room on the
outside transition here for my Jets.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Let's go to a.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
College football and your guy Bill Belichick very quiet on
the Bill.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Belichick front lately, Colin, but the.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Six times Super Bowl champion head coach is planning to
build UNC's college program just like an NFL team.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Here he is at ACC media day.
Speaker 10 (22:27):
That's a pro program, practice training, food, schemes, terminology, it's
all a pro program, not to the extent that we
did it in the NFL. There'll be fewer plays, fewer adjustments,
but it will be along those lines.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
And you know, we use what we need.
Speaker 10 (22:44):
There's some things that we I don't think we're gonna
need at this level, and there's other things that we
are Things like that you just have to, you know,
take them into consideration, but fundamentally, we're gonna do as
much as we can at a pro system.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I thought he was actually pretty good at Media Day.
I thought he lightened up. I think, you know, it's
funny when you watch that. And a lot of people
didn't like the last documentary on him. They thought Bob
Kraft leaked a lot of stuff to make Belichick look bad.
But if you go back to Belichick's first three or
four years in New England, and maybe it was Spygate
to flay Gate, all the gates, he was actually pretty
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funny with the media, and I think he's been better
with the media on the college campus. I'm really fascinated
by this story because we said yesterday, take Clemson out.
Everybody on that schedule is in a rebuild or is
a five to six win program. Syracuse was good last year,
but they lost that quarterback I liked, and they lost
fifteen starters. That schedule is screaming nine to ten wins.
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So I can't wait to watch this thing.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Well, Okay, so I was doing some research on unc
before this segment, and again what we talked about at
a very outset of the show quarterback coach symmetry.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Belichick thrived with Bledsoe.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Then break how did it go with Cam Newton when
he was under center?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
From Paul Belichick, I would say this, the NFL is
not college. The NFL is much more quarterback centric in college.
If I have great I mean Georgie's had great players
as Georgia had great Georgia's had one great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
In my life, Matt Stafford.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
They've won a lot of football games with a lot
of guys sitting on NFL benches. Alabama has won a
lot of national championships. USC tell me all the great
USC NFL quarterbacks, Name six, name four. So Carson Palmer
was obviously really gifted. So thea college football is about
to me is about the coach and the roster. NFL
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is about the coach and the quarterback. And so I
think Bill his ability. You know, CAROLINEA has got some
money here. So their quarterback is average, which I think
would really hurt them in the Big ten of the SEC.
But I think an average quarterback Bill's recruiting, they can
win every game except Clemson.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
They're not ready to beat.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Clemson, and Clemson's got the best quarterback by a mile
in that conference.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
So that's why I brought up quarterback. I looked into
Giovanni Lopez. He's going to be the starter. He was
a three star guy in twenty twenty two Colin he
committed to South Alabama. Well, that was the level he
was at three years ago. Now I haven't seen him.
I haven't seen the practice footage. But a little bit
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of a bill climb for Belichick rolling with Giovanni Lopez
when he's got a Facebook cave club Nick of Clemson,
who's a high sech contender, and you seem to think
his first round potential.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
You know, when Dion went to Colorado, he had his
son quarterbacking, so that was an advantage Belichick doesn't. So
but I think Belichick has a better overall roster in
year one at Carolina than Dion Sanders had at Colorado.
I just think, you know, Travis Hunter and the Shader Sanders,
it's nice to bring your son along hist quarterback. So
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I think Bill's staff is better than Dion's was. I
think Bill's rosters better than Dion was year one, but
sdeor Sanders is better than.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Who they have, you know, taken.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Miss Aulivid, people I think UNC's in playoff contention all year.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I'm just betting on Belichick.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Final story, Colin, not great.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Hey, Kaitlyn Clark, she's been out of action. People are
probably wondering, Hey, you guys have really talked less about
the WNBA lately.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Yeah, because Kaitlin Clark's hurt. She didn't play last night.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
They won.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
But what's more interesting is Clark spoke a little bit
about injuries being.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
A pro athlete.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
How's this for a quote, Colin, This is the first
time I haven't felt like a young body that can
run around and sprint every day and just continue to
do that. Being a pro athlete, you really have to
take care of both your body and mind.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
It's been a journey learning about that. Now.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
That makes it sound like she's just worn down, like
this is the first time I can't just run.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Around and be a young person. Well, you're still young, Kaitlyn.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You're like years old, so let's be you know, it's
funny anytime I talk about the WNBA, I get pushedback,
and I swear to God it ninety percent of what
I say is positive. And I'll just say this, it's
taken the WNBA, you know, a couple of years to
figure out how popular she is. They have one more
big move to make as a league. They've got to
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get better officiating. They guards in the WNBA get attacked.
I mean, go look at the number of total players
and the number of injured players in the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And the NBA, which has better officials, you'll notice this.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
They they are more.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Willing to call a quick whistle in the regular season
to keep their players healthy for the postseason. They want
their stars available for the postseason. Then of the postseason,
let them play. That makes for good basketball, but they
kind of protect their players regular season. The WNBA officiates
like the NBA does in the postseason, people getting knocked
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to the floor, and I think this is a learning curve.
You want our best players healthy for the playoffs, then
you can take the whistle out. Have physicality, have some tussles,
have some real animosity.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
That makes for a very good TV.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But over the course of a long regular season, you
don't want your players getting beat up. I mean, even
in baseball, you manage differently in a playoff series than
a regular season. In June, so I think the league
has got to get better officiating and blow the whistle
in the regular season. Protect Angel Reees last night did
not play. The number of injured WNB against all a
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learning curve. This league is paying their refs less than
college back according to the Washington Post, less than college
basketball reps.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Make that can't be the case.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
So, Colin, I'm sure you know that Caitlin Clark's Fever
are coming out here to play the Sparks early next month,
within the next like fifteen days, two weeks. My family
we've inquired about tickets and now we're holding off to
see if Katelin Clark's going to be there. I'm not
gonna lie and listen, I know the Sparks are good,
They're an attraction. We're interested in the Sparks, but my
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daughter wants to.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
See Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Sure you know, So like, we're not gonna get tickets
yet until we find out of Clark's playing. And I'll
just say this, in the NFL, they protect the quarterback.
And I know fans hate it when you breathe on
mahomes of birth. Fans hate it, but that is smart.
I hate it when it happens, but it is smart.
You got it, Like you said, you got to start
protecting the money makers.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, no, no, I remember it was about ten. I was
at the other place. It was probably twelve years ago
when the NFL came out and got very protective at quarterbacks,
and everybody whined and complained about it, and I said,
go look at the old Terry Bradshaw films and the
old Joe Montana films. When these guys were getting grabbed
and driven into the turf. It's like, that's not what
you want. The bottom line is rules are an insurance policy,
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and the players are mansions and sports cars. Protect them,
get insurance. You want your best players available for longer stretches,
especially in playoff basketball. NBA's figured it out. Give Adam
Silver credit. They'll blow a quick whistle in the regular season,
but you go to the postseason, then I'll deal with animosity.
Then I'll deal with the physicality because it's a much shorter,
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more intense season.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
J mckle the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd line.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Jack I said yesterday on this show it is time.
I'm gonna take a little pivot because I think this
is Aaron Rodgers last season. I don't want to be
negative guy any thoughd interception yesterday and everybody got worked up,
and uh, I'm going to defend him. And Nick Saban
made a veiled reference toward our show as well.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
That's coming up.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 3 (30:52):
So I'm reading an article this morning.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
And the headline to the article, which I disagree with,
is Aaron Rodgers has a lot more to lose with
the Steelers than he did with the Jets. And I
thought a lot about this, and I think my opinion
that's going to stick is that did the Wizards hurt
Michael Jordan's legacy? Did Phoenix Cleveland Celtics hurt Shacks? It's
(31:21):
not about the ending. Marlon Brando is considered the greatest
actor of all time YouTube in some time, fascinating interview.
He had three or four atrocious movies. Nobody cares. We
judge you in your prime. We judge you at the pinnacle,
not the turbulence and the bumpy ending. Not every Beatles
(31:43):
song was great, and we don't talk about the ones
that missed. We've never spent a second talking about Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
In the Mummy. We don't do that.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Aaron's prime was thirteen years, four MVPs and a Super
Bowl trophy, and he played great. It puts him top
twelve all time. Certainly one of the prettiest passers I've
ever seen, up there with Dan Marino, maybe number one
or number two. He's a little trickly and independent as
a personality. That's okay, everybody's different. He is one of
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the most gifted throwers the football of all time, and
he is in a top twelve of all time. I
actually prefer him over Brett Farv. Brett Farv is a gunslinger.
I don't think he ages well over time. Gun Slingers
don't work anymore. They become Jameis Winston. And he's better
than Jameis Winston. But Aaron could have played thirty years ago,
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and Aaron in his prime was great.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Farv was really good, being hard to coach, not necessarily
reading coverages, and just using his talent. I don't think
that ages as well today. I think football is much
smarter today than it was years ago. So I think,
much like being in the mob, once you're great, you're
a made man. Now like the Mob, it does knows
(32:58):
end well. But I think we have to be fair
with Aaron Rodgers. If he goes seven to nine in Pittsburgh,
he gets hurt in week thirteen or doesn't play particularly well,
nobody cares. Go look at Johnny Unidas's last team. Go
look at Michael Jordan and the Wizards, a Keen Patrick
Ewing Shack. It doesn't matter now Brady, you know, and
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this is rare left and was great in Tampa. That
sort of adds to Brady's legend. But the truth was
it really only if you really look at what Tampa
did for Brady, it separated him in the was it
Brady or Belichick in New England argument? Clearly it was
more Brady than Belichick. He won the divorce, he won
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the argument, but he still would have been the all
time greatest quarterback because all of his hardware. So I
don't I mean, Aaron had an interception yesterday, I don't
make anything of that. And I'm not going to make
a lot out of six and eleven or seven and ten.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Here's erin.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
It's good to have to win.
Speaker 11 (33:57):
I mean, anybody's watched me practice over the years, you know,
he'd like to try certain throws at certain times, and
anybody that's watched me in the games knows. And I've
been pretty stellar taking care of the football over the year.
So it's gonna be a good challenge for me. Throwing
this heat every single day I look forward to. But
I'm gonna throw some picks. I'm gonna throw some touchdowns too.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, I just I don't think if you look at actors,
politicians were like Bernie Sanders in his prime. In Bernie
Sanders today, you know, you get to be seventy five
as a politician. I don't know how judgmental I can
get the same with quarterbacks once you get into your forties.
I'm not holding it against you. I mean, that doesn't
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mean Matt Stafford wins the Super Bowl this year. It
can't elevate his legacy. It doesn't mean if Brady's good
in Tampa. It can't mean he really definitively won the
divorce with Belichick. Yes, there can be more upside, but
I it's Marlon Brando, it's the Beatles, it's Tom Cruise
in their prime.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I'm best. So you know, there's been a.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Story this week, j Mac, and it is very much
a Connect the Dot story. Jimmy Sexton, Nick Saban, Jimmy
Haslam and I have said I think Saban will not
go to college. But when Greg McElroy and Lane Kiffen,
who know him very, very very well, said there's a
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lot of talk about him coming back to coaching, I
don't think it's college. I discussed it this week. College
is now the NIL is so expensive. You have to
go to your boosters to get fifteen to eighteen million
dollars to pay the players. You're not going to buy
out your coach at another seventy million and then pay
seventy five million to get Saban. Just the NIL actually
helps coaches get two or three more years. You're raising
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so much money to pay the players. You're not buying
out staffs at seventy million dollars too, and then paying
seventy million for the next coach. He's not going to college.
Would he take a call and consider the NFL. That's
all I've said, yes, And Saman was on Fox News
and could have given an absolutely definitive answer.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Instead, he said this.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
There is no opportunity that I know of right now
that I would enhance me to go back to coaching.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Right now. I mean, I'm not hungry right now. I'm
not tired right now, but I'm going to eat and
sleep later. Right. Yes and no, our definitive answers absolutely
or never are definitive answers. The specificity with that answer
(36:38):
was intentional. It was I mean, if you kind of
right now, you ever getting divorced? I mean, right now,
I'm happy with my current wife.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
You know that's not.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
The answer you want to hear. It's never, I'm wildly
in love. Well right now, it's leaving the door open.
And by the way, I can bring up an old
Nick Saban press conference from Miami.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I could do that, So why don't we do that here?
It is? Well, then, I guess I have to say it.
I'm not going to be the Alabama coach. What I
shouldn't even have to comment on this. I think I've
said this over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
There's also not one opening now. Arch Manning is still
a college player now, So I'm just saying I thought
it was very intentional. There's not a place I'm going
to leave for right now. And I don't even think
this is an argument like that that's very open. That's
very gray, and he may not take the job. I'm
not saying definitively he's going to I'm saying if Cleveland
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ends up with a number one pick, if the Saints
end up with a number one pick and take arch Manning,
he's coast in Louisiana, he's coast in Ohio.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
He's taking the call.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
He may go to Miss Terry discuss it for a
couple of days, but I know what he kind of
makes at ESPN. He's gonna make about thirty percent more
or more than that coach in college pro football. He'll
take the call. I don't think he's going to college.
So I mean, yes, no, absolutely never. Those are definitives.
(38:26):
Now I'm not tired right now means you will probably
eventually sleep right, like we all, this isn't this isn't
a reach by me. I thought that was a very
intentional answer.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
And that's okay that you know.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I mean, broadcasters have a right to leave any time
they want, much easier to leave broadcasting jobs. Bill Parcells
did that multiple times. Nobody's gonna hold it against you.
I think dig Vermeial may have or may have not.
Let nobody's holding it against you. You know, you leave
a college, you leave a job. But I'm just saying,
and there's going to be jobs, not just random jobs open.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Arch Manning going to.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
A place Nick As coached the Dallas Cowboys could be opened.
There are years. Last year there was one great job
opening and Harbaugh took it. Justin Herbert la Market decent roster.
That was a great job opening. Matt lafleorda green Bay.
That was a That's one of the best job openings ever.
Aaron Rodgers well run organization. By the way, when McCarthy
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took the Cowboys Dak Prescott closer to his prime, I
wasn't a bad job opening. A lot of them are rebuilds.
He's not going to a total rebuild. But if he's
going to be watching all these college quarterbacks, Okay, you
tell me watch that Clemson kid, or he watches Arch Manning,
or he watches Drew Aller and all of a sudden
the Saints or Cleveland can get those guys. He's absolutely
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taken the call and he's absolutely considering.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Yeah, and Colins lines up perfectly with what you like
to say. When you get new information, sometimes you change
your mind right on. At fleets on coaches and openings,
I think is the same thing.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Nick Saban says he's happy where he's doing.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Right now, and then if you know arch manding lines
up to the Jets or the Browns or whatever happens.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Sure, I'm sure he's going to take the call. Now.
The real interesting.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
One is what goes on in Dallas is that someone
Jerry Jones would want to hire.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Do you want Saban?
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Do you want Dion Sanders, who I personally think Colorado
takes a big step back this year.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
I'm sure Joel Klatten knows more.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
So it's interesting Belichick had no interest going west. If
you looked at who we interviewed for jobs, it was
mostly you know, he's got a place on like Jupiter, Florida, Nantucket.
Bill didn't want to be out west. Tom Brady frankly
had told people, you know, he went to Tampa, He
considered Miami. Tom didn't really want to go west at
the time with Jasellell the kids, right, he didn't want
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to go west. So my take is Texas for Saban.
I mean he and his wife, Miss Terry, they call her.
They flew to Austin, Texas or she did. When Member
he lost to Auburn and there was a lot of
heat on Saban, and it was like, you guys have Saban.
Everybody loses in big rivalries. At Michigan twenty point dog
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just beat Ohio State slow down.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
But it kind of ticked Saban off.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
He ended up getting a great deal from Alabama to
go back. He got somebody to pay off his house,
he got a car dealership. He was so ticked off
by that. But Texas Saints feel like, you know, he's
got his lake house. I could see that very much
with him quick private jet from Dallas to his lake
house in Georgia or New Orleans. That just feels like
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those fit. He's taken. First of all, he's getting a call,
takes it.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I don't know.
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