August 4, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about Jerry Jones and wrong about Shedeur Sanders.
He also talks to 3-time Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck about Micah Parsons requesting a trade and why it might be time for the Cowboys to seriously consider making that move
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's hour two. It is a Monday.
Matt Hassel back to three time pro bowler. In five minutes,
Diana Russini stops by as well. It is great to
be back from VAK. J McK and I are rolling
and ready to go NFL games. Now they start filtering
in little video quarterbacks. Where are we going to say?
(00:48):
You know what's interesting to me. I was talking to
my buddy John Middlekoff, who's been on the show before.
Is that the guy lost in all this? Because we
know that Jaden daniels Is and Bonnix are working. Drake
May looks really, really solid. Caleb, we're gonna have our
eyes on, and JJ McCarthy, we're gonna have our eyes.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
On in all of this.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Michael Pennix is quietly in the Deep South in Atlanta
and nobody's talking about him.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Where are you on Penix today? If you have a guests.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Well, it's funny. I'm lining up all my bets when
I go to Vegas the season long stuff. I have
the Falcons in the playoffs. I have them winning the division.
I'm gonna be taking Pennix in fantasy. I think he's
got a lot of value in that offense.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
We only saw a few games of him last year.
Remember the Washington game that was nip and tuck until
the end and they ended up losing, But it was like,
I saw some things for Pennix. I think he's going
to be good. I'm a buyer of the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, no, no, I think I've said this before. I
think he's a bigger, stronger toua left hander, beautiful ball
down fields, bigger arm, bigger athlete can move, but you
don't necessarily want him to because of previous injuries.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Uwa actually has a better coach though, in Mike McDaniel.
You kind of just destroyed McDaniel for like ten minutes.
I thought it was out of bounds and on Warrenton.
But nevertheless, if you give Pennicks an offensive guy like McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh, oh, look out, I'm not anti Michael McDaniels. I'm
three years into it. I was told it was revolutionary
with all the motion and flashing. They're twenty eight and
twenty three on a division with the Jets and the Page.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
He made the playoffs twice. He took two out of
the playoffs, but two got hurt and two of kids
getting hurt, and then they make the passa.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh no.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
They lost to the Chiefs in Arrowhead in the playoffs.
I mean, geez, with a lot of shame in that one.
In like negative thirty degrees. Their guys are losing fingers
in the stands. So like, I thought you were extremely
harsh on McDaniel. Remember he's a Yale educated Colin.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, so were a lot of our bad presidents.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I mean I did oooh, all.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Right, Colin right, Colin wrong? On Monday, here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Jerry Jones once again has mangled a contract situation. I
said this a couple of years ago with Jerry, the
Cowboys are starting to feel like the Raiders when Al
Davis aged Al lost his fastball. I think I think
Jerry has lost his fastball and has too much power
in the organization, the old.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Saying all hat no cattle.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Jerry tells us he's a great businessman, but he keeps
getting taken to the cleaners by players and Micah, Now,
what are you gonna do? Trade him? Now, what are
you gonna do? You could have traded him last year
and gotten multiple players that could help you now in
the NFC as it strengthens as a conference. I don't
like where Dallas is headed, and it's all on Jerry,
(03:36):
where Colin was raw Well, Jimmy, I don't know if
I believe him, But Jimmy Haslam says the Shadeur Sanders
draft pick, Hey, I didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That was all on Andrew Berry.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And to that, I would say, why would you draft
when you had Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Why would you draft.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Two more quarterbacks in the third and fifth round.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But at least Jimmy Haslam is saying the right things publicly,
which is, hey, I didn't have anything to do with
a draft pick where Colin was right. Well, I won't
beat on it too much more. But Tyreek Hill said
last week that one of the Dolphins running backs shouldn't
be a short yardage tailback. On Sunday, Mike McDaniels said, yeah,
(04:23):
he isn't. We worked on that. So there appears to
be a gap this offseason between Tyreek and Tua, Tyreek
and the team, and Tyreek and Mike McDaniels. And we've
always said a lot more sizzle than actual state with that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Acquisition where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
JJ McCarthy, according to Kevin Seaffert, respected reporter at ESPN,
accuracy a bit of an issue in the red zone.
Jeremy Fowler, another respected reporter, saying they're having to work
a lot on touch. Everything is a fastball. I don't
know how good JJ McCarthy is, but I never bought
(05:04):
into the narrative that multiple teams were gonna move up
in the draft to get him. I've heard the opposite
is that there were real concerns that JJ McCarthy had
been led by a great coach, a great defense, a
great run game in college and never really had to
lead inferior talent, which is what happens in the NFL
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if you're a lottery.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Quarterback, where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, I may have to temper my Tennessee Titan predictions.
They just got rid of their first round receiver a
couple of years ago, Treylon Burks, apparently cam Ward. Last
couple of practices four picks. Cam Ward admits we're really
right now. Very mid is what he called his offense
(05:52):
between Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley, and Van Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Now no Burks.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It's arguably the weakest receiving core in the NFL. I
do get two more revisions on my NFL predictions, so
I may have to scale back on the Titans where
Colin was right. Luka dantach Men's health in the best
shape of his career. This is what I've said about Luca.
(06:18):
Defense and being in great shape are all about wanting
to do you want to be a great defender? Do
you want to be in great shape? When did Luca
get in the best shape of his career his first
year as a rookie, when he wanted to impress and
now the Lakers have new owners. This is why I've
said he's a much better version to Carmelo Anthony. I
(06:40):
don't worry about his game. I think he's gonna have
an unbelievable season. Does he have the want Lebron Kobe
Michael they were great defenders because they wanted to be
great defenders. So he breaks into the NBA. We're like, Wow,
this guy's amazing and increasingly gets in worse shape. Lakers
have new owners, he has an offseason now once again
(07:01):
he's in unbelievable shape.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The Indiana Fever are on a heater, all of it
without Caitlin Clark. Gotta be honest, she is a great player,
but Sophie Cunningham's been on fire, hitting threes yesterday. They're
in a five game winning streak with no Caitlin Clark. So,
in fact, Kaylin this year, between injuries and struggling, has
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not been Caitlin Clark, and Indiana still has the fifth
best record in the league.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
What do you know?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The Celtics minority owner is buying the Connecticut Sun for
three hundred and twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I had said this two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yes, merch up one thousand percent TV ratings, attendance, this
league and it's got issues like it's officiating, like it's
inability to handle Caitlin Clark well well, but is it
a buy as a stock absolutely. I don't care about
the last twenty five years merch TV ratings, attendance all
(08:10):
up at least one hundred percent. It's absolutely a bye
as a sports franchise. I felt this way five years
ago about the MLS. I feel that now, and so
do one of the Boston Celtics minority owners, Colin Wright.
Colin wrong on a Monday, And with that, Matt Hasselback
eighteen years three Pro Bowl stopping by our show. All right,
(08:32):
you know I said earlier, whenever your issues in college,
I can see him in the Pros. I'm a little concerned.
So I thought the questions about Caleb Williams were little
hero ball accuracy could be a little dicey and moody.
So when I see a video of him freaking out,
(08:53):
I see temper, I see accuracy issues. I know I'm
supposed to say it's yeah, it's just camp. It's just
thrown into a net. But those are some of the
things GM's told me they were concerned about. So it's like, oh,
I'm seeing that now in the Pros. Should I be
a little concerned about that net video?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Matt Hasselbeck, Well, it's year two, Colin, listen, year one
rookie year, you chuck some of those things up to
a rookie situation.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Year two.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
You know, training camp, I think we make a little
bit of like a huge deal at a certain thing.
Sometimes things are fun, sometimes things are poudy. You don't
know the whole story, but in general last year to
this year, you've even heard Ben Johnson.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Talk about it.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Body language at the quarterback position matters. It matters to
your opponent, and it matters maybe just as much to
your teammates. And so the camera's always going to be
on him, like the microscope is always going to be
on him. A lot of people made a lot of
excuses for him last year. I think the excuses are
out the window. The focus is going to be on him.
And you know, like I've said many times, you know
(09:58):
your team get confidence or insecurity by how you carry
yourself as a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
No, you've been on that from day one. So I
said this.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
There are coaches in the league and you've probably had these.
Maybe Mike Holmgren was one of these where you get
a great scheme coach that he's a head coach, but
if you put him on the headset he'd call a
great game. And then there are coaches that Mike Tomlins
a culture builder. I would say Dan Campbell, Nick Siriani.
They build cultures. There is nothing wrong with that. But
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they are more dependent on coordinators than say as Sean
McVay or a Sean Payton or maybe again, maybe Holmgren
was that. Andy Reid's a guy. It doesn't matter who
his coordinator is. Offensively, they're fine. Detroit loses two coordinators,
including Ben Johnson, who was kind of regarded as the
hot coordinator in the market. I know it's the Hall
of Fame game. They were a mess.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I mean, eight.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Penalties, five turnover, They look disorganized. How do I not
look at that and go that's not great? I watched
Philadelphia miss on coordinators and lose six or seven games
off a Super Bowl year. Do I take anything off
that abysmal Hall of Fame game performance?
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Well, you touch on a bunch of things there. Listen.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Culture is super important, and just because you're a good
play caller doesn't mean you're going to be a head coach.
But I think what you're talking about is new coordinators,
two new coordinators.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
And that's a lot of change.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
It's a bigger deal than people realize in terms of
the preseason game. Listen, it's a big deal because but
it's not. It's a big deal because we've got to.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Get those things fixed.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
But it's not a big deal because it just comes
as a wake up call right away, National TV, everyone
knows about it, and then you come together as a staff.
You know, last year, I think there were eight new
head coaches. Two of them made the playoffs. Some of
those guys got this stuff figured out. You know, I
was actually there for the seahawks first preseason game. It's crazy,
new head coach, new coordinators. It's crazy the things that
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you don't get to cover in a training camp situation
until you get into a game situation. Where are we
doing halftime adjustments? Who's going first? Where are we going
to stand on the sidelines, Who's on what headset? There's
two lines on the headset. Are you on line A?
Are you on line B? So some of those kinks
got to get worked out in the preseason. That's kind
of what the preseason is for. But yeah, I would
(12:15):
say they got a little bit exposed right there. It
doesn't mean they can't figure it out, though.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Okay, I said, not all hold out for the same.
Terry McLaurin is a third round pick, has wildly outperformed
his contract.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
He's been a great guy.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
He's been crazy productive until last year with bad quarterback play.
I would pay him tomorrow, especially when you brought debo.
I'd pay him tomorrow. Micah first round pick, been a
Pro Bowl or been excellent, but that's why you picked
him twelve. He's got a year left in his contract.
I don't think he's been underpaid. I think he's been
paid appropriately. On these two holdouts. Do you see him
(12:51):
as a former player as just the same thing or
are there different And I also think it's an offensive league.
I'd be more prone to pay the offensive guy. How
do you view McLaurin and Micah's holdout.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Well, mclaurin's tricky because he's so important I think to
Jad and Daniels' success. I mean, Jayden Daniels was just
incredible last year. I'm such a huge fan. He was awesome.
And Terry McLaurin is like everything that you're looking for
in you know, with a veteran guy to put with
a young guy, and I think they could have a
lot of success. You know, you know, in the near
future like yours one, two, three, like we could be
a contender every year.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
They are a contender. They can compete with Philly.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
What's unique about Dallas again another great player. Teammates love him,
you know what, He's exactly what you're looking for. Dallas,
Like they're not going to win their division, that doubt,
they're even second place in their division. And now you've
got a real public It just feels different in Dallas.
So I'm very curious, you know, the Cowboys seeing Jerry
Jones seems to like be fine with this kind of conflict,
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fine with this kind of drama, but he also doesn't
seem like the kind of owner that wants to get
like pushed around publicly. So you know, there's a part
of me that says, hey, this is Michael Parsons. Figure
it out, closed the door, include the agent. Then there's
another part of me that says, hey, why don't you
you just punt on this year anyway, go out and
get like the most amazing draft package for next year
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and really start focusing this team on next year, because
I really don't know that you can compete with Philly
and that you can compete really with Washington and then
the rest of the NFC. So you know, this one's
a little bit tricky for me. But the gloves have
come off, unfortunately publicly, so it's gotten a little ugly.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So I was talking. I was golfing a couple of
days ago, and I was joking with somebody. I said,
whenever I hit the ball great on the range, I
know I'm in trouble. And so it's like, I never
have any sense of how I'm going to hit going
into a round based on practice or to the range
in the preseason. What is something in your eighteen nineteen years,
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Matt that carried over? Like if you did it well
in preseason, it did carry over. And are there things
that you thought you had mastered in preseason and it
meant nothing by the opening kickoff?
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yeah, you're absolutely right calling I think run game. You know,
I look at the Baltimore Ravens. I think they're a
great preseason team. Part of that is they're great at
the run game. That's a commitment that they have. They've
got a great culture when it comes to that. They
know how they do things. But you know, to your point,
there were teams that we would play in the preseason.
I'll use the Chicago Bears when they were great with
like Brian Urlocker and those guys.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
They're a zone team, you.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Know, it really didn't matter who the defensive coordinator was
calling for.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
They were a zone team.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
But in the preseason they would play so much man
coverage because their scouts wanted to get a look at, Hey,
what kind of guys do we have in the secondary. Like,
we're not going to call a lot of man coverage
in the season, but we are on purpose doing something
that puts our team at a disadvantage. We need to
know who can play man occasionally when we want to
bring a blitz and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
So there's not a lot.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Of scheming up and and you know there's there's not
always calling what you're best at. Sometimes you're even setting
up your Week one opponent. But those are two examples
of things that I think can be a little bit
of fool's gold if you're trying to evaluate what a
team's going to be when you just watch him in
the preseason.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh that's interesting. Finally, I want you to tell me
the difference. I always feel that a quarterback under center,
when he goes back gets to watch the defense. When
it's a shotgun, you have to watch the ball and
you lose that half a second of watching your safeties react.
So Sean Payton would like bow Knicks to be under
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center more.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Than last year.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You tell me, is that something you can elevate to quickly?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Is there?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Or for a guy that you know, maybe Bowen Auburn
and Oregon has taken He's taken the shotgun snaps tell
me the transition? How much that matters for a young
quarterback like bow Knicks.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah, it's a real thing, And I trust Sean Payton wholeheartedly.
I think bow Knicks is gonna do a great job.
I think that's a team I would buy right now.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I mean, I love that.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Listen, Bill Watsh, Joe Montana. They love to be under center.
Almost never were they in shotgun. I actually believe it was.
I forget the years, maybe like five maybe for us
in Seattle two thousand and five, when we finally put
the shotgun in, we got exposed, obviously or ironically against
the Chicago Bears er Locker Briggs and the A Gap
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and we had no choice but to go shotgun. But
it is a huge advantage for the quarterback at the
snap with your hands already on the ball and then
your eyes on the free safety.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Your eyes on the free safety tell you so much.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
But just like you said, if you're in shotgun and
your eyes have to go down to catch the ball first,
you don't get that split second advantage of having your
eyes on the secondary. Never mind the fact the run
keys that you're not giving away when you're running back
in shotgun is offset to the right or to the left.
So Sean Payton knows what he's talking about, and he
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sees an opportunity. If he can get his young quarterback
to get comfortable under center the way that he did
with Drew Brees, then he thinks that his offense can
even take a bigger step with run game play, action
to the run and then using their tight ending guy
like Evan Ingram.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
That could be huge for them this year.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
By the way, it does appear that you're on a
coaching staff. The shirt looks very official. Are you the
head coach or the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Now, my younger brother's the head coach, which is an
interesting dynamic. I'm just the offensive coordinator. Today is picture day.
They said they might wait for me for the team photo,
depending on when this hit with you is over.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
If not, they said.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
It's twenty twenty five, they can just kind of like
superimpose me in a picture. We used to do that
when Paul Allen was the owner of the Seahawks. He
would never come back from you know, vacation or whatever.
We just would like superimpose him into the team photo.
So I know it can be done.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
There's only one Matt Hasselbeck. Wait for the photo, guys,
great sen you see it. Colin all right, No, it's
the end. I think one of the things he said
that which I've touched on is that if you struggle,
players take cues from the quarterback. His temperament, his body language.
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I used to be very critical of Jay Cutler. I
thought he had horrible body language. He'd go stand by himself,
he'd sit there and he'd get moody. I'm like, bro',
that's not it. You gotta be with a fellas you got.
And there's another quarterback that does that currently in the NFL.
He's an older guy playing in Pittsburgh. I'm just not
a fan of that. I want you part of the group.
(19:24):
So it's something body language is clearly something.
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Speaker 1 (20:42):
So here I gotta I'm just gonna. You know, all
I do is journalism. Here just journalism. I'm just reading
a story from a very respected reporter at the Athletic
on the Pittsburgh Steelers Aaron Rodgers Camp.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
It's getting a lot of hype.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Latroe another day, another dominant performance from the defense. Seven
shots in the last practice, six to one defense Aaron Rodgers,
oh for three. Steelers ended practice another goal line drill,
didn't go anybody for the offense, and so he listed
the reporter of the four problems with the offense.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Stop me if you've heard these before from the New
York Jets. Number one, they can't run the football. Jets
were thirty first last year. Couldn't run the football.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Apparently, the Steelers in practice can't run the football. Number two,
their vertical passing game in Pittsburgh's not in sync. So
Aaron is dumping stuff off for short, quick passes. That
was the Jets last year. Wide receiver two not dependable. Oh,
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sort of like Alan Lazarre not living up to his
contract in New York. Number four is the young. Offensive
tackles are tape taking their lumps. The O line is unsteady.
All the Steelers are for Aaron Rodgers is a more
organized Jets defensive coach, defensive culture. Aaron doesn't trust the
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old line. A lot of stuff is quick. You've got
a number one receiver, but can't really depend on a
two despite draft capital and spending money on it. The
Jets did too, Remember they drafted the old lineman from
Penn State. They spent money on a right tackle, and
yet their on line finished seventeenth. The Steelers keep drafting
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offensive lineman and spending money on it.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's not any good.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
So this idea that they're all in in Pittsburgh go
read this story by Mike di Favo on the Steelers.
It's just the Jets. Like McDonald's and Burger King. McDonald's
is just more buttoned up than Burger King. It's still
fast food. Okay, you're not going to convince me it's
anything more. It's good fast food. But my point is
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we're dressing this up. Aaron, like a lot of older quarterbacks,
if he doesn't have a run game, and he doesn't
have a number two receiver, and he doesn't trust the
old line, he's not taking hits. He not taking one
for the team. Aaron's getting rid of that puppy. Matt
Stafford's the only old guy at quarterback in this league
that will stand in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And get drilled over and over.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
And that's why Matt in his late thirties is kind
of falling apart. So this story is, you know, it's
the Jets number two receiver, doesn't trust the old line,
can't run it. Defensive coach, defensive culture. Aaron's getting ready
rid of the ball quickly in practice defense, dominate defense.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Here's Mike de Fabo.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
People are getting impatient. They want success and they haven't
had it, you know. And I just look at the
fact that there have been in the history of the NFL,
in the Super Bowl era, quarterbacks that were forty of
one combined twelve games in the playoffs. Tom Brady has ten.
Every other quarterback has two combined. And here the Steelers
are throwing their face behind assume to be forty two
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year old Aaron Rodgers to try to snap that skidding.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And this is why I said I thought Aaron would
retire and not go to Pittsburgh Online issues defensive culture,
los Najee Harris and their left tackle. This story reads
like it's the Jets, just a more organized version. And
if you look at the Steelers schedule starting October sixteenth on,
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it's a lot of Lamar Jackson's and Joe Burrows and
Justin Herbert and Josh Allen's and that Detroit offense. That's schedule.
They got some time early to make Hay. But when
you have a lot of new people and Aaron's not
going to play in the preseason, it's reasonable to think
the Steelers won't be great in September. Well they better
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be because October we're sixteenth on. They're facing Burrow and
Lamar and Josh Allen and Justin Herbert there facing a
lot of good offenses.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
News no, no turn on the news. This is the
headline news.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Let's go to the nation's capital, Colin and talk about
the Washington Commanders in this Terry McLaurin situation. So last week,
while I was on vacation and you were jet setting
in the Northeast, Terry McLaurin requested a trade as contract
negotiations have stalled. Well, Dan Quinn spoke to the media
this weekend about the McLaurin situation.
Speaker 10 (25:38):
For Terry, and you know the trade request, Like man,
that's that's part of normal business that you know, it's
happening around the NFL.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's normal, We understand it.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
Sometimes those are the emotions and that's the human side
of it, right, And knowing there can be emotions, that's
the ones he attached to at that moment. And so
for me as the coach, give the support, you know,
give the insights. Do you want advice, and so that's
the way that you do it. But it is an
emotional time, it's so damn important and each player it
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won't be quite the same in how that's happening.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Well, I think we both liked the Debo move. In fact,
we had said before they acquired Deebo God Deebo would
be the perfect chess piece for Kingsbury and Jayden Daniels.
The downside to that is, as long as you take
care of crazy productive Terry McLaurin. Yeah, I mean, this
one feels like and I don't side with the players
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in all cases. This feels like you gotta take care
of McLaurin because it also sends a message to young players.
You're gonna pay the new guy and not the most
dependable guy in the locker room for four straight years.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah, I mean, Colin, we could go back, Yeah, ten
fifteen years. Players hold out all the time, they want
their contract, and eventually it gets done. You know, it
might be right before the season. Darrell Reeves and my ye,
I'm sure you remember back in the day it was ugly.
Oh my gosh, he's now how to lose him? It's fine,
he's playing. He's an all bro you know Miles Garrett
with the Browns, remember, not that far long ago. I'm
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holding out, I demanded trade and then he shows up
and plays in as a monster like.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I can't get too.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Worked up about it, but it is news today and
he's not signed. Now Kingsbury gets him with Deebo and
Jaden and Laramie Tunzel. I don't see how Washington can't
be in the mix. To maybe go to the Super
Bowl from the NFC. It just makes all the sense
in the world. Let's go to another situation and near
the nation's capital. That's a Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson.
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John Harbaugh spoke so highly of Lamar's passing, saying, are
you ready for this? He is a historically good passer.
He's as good of a passer as there's ever been,
and the numbers are proving that. Colin our staff Doug
Deep highest passer rating in the NFL all time. Are
you ready for this?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Aaron Rodgers one, Patrick Mahomes two, Lama Jackson three all time.
I don't see Tom Brady on there. I don't see
Josh Allen. I don't see Joe Montana again.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Passer rating.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I'm kiddous.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
It's something Russell Wilson's fifth, Tony Romo's up there. It's
it's something I've been on. I think I've been pretty
consistent on this. I thought the questions about Lamar in
the pocket were valid for two years. I don't think
they're valid for the last three. I think he's a
really good pocket quarterback. If Mark Andrews didn't have the
worst game, he's ever had as a college or a
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collegiate or a pro.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
They went a playoff game.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Wait, hold on, Just to be clear, Lamar was bad
in the first half and dug them a hole. Right,
he had the I think two journals clear. Patrick Mahomes
had eight bad games last year. Like it's if you
don't have I mean, let's be honest. Burrow was better
than Mahomes last year. Lamar was better than Mahomes. Alan
was better than Mahomes. Like, there was a lot of.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Guys better than Mahomes. Last year.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Malmes had Super Bowl So it's like, who cares He's
got super Bowls? You know, Like Lamar doesn't have one.
Where is Lamar's signature playoff win? And again, I'm not
basking Lamar. He's obviously great and all time great, But
where where is the signature playoff win?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Colin, We're still waiting if Lamar Jackson becomes Charles Barkley.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Don't really has anything wrong with that, Like Peter.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Do I have?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I have? I'm done defending Lamar. I watch the games
he looks. I mean, I don't know this for sure,
but I bet it's true. Last five years in the
NFL has any team had more blowout wins than Baltimore.
And what that shows is when Lamar solves your riddle defensively,
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he is the ultimate.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Freight train playing downhill. The way to beat Lamar is generally.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
You get ahead of him, you take out the running component,
and he becomes strictly a pocket guy. Well, nobody's good.
Baker Mayfield's not as good. If you know he's throwing,
it doesn't matter. But when when he can play in
a close game or play with a lead, he's a nightmare.
That's why Baltimore time and time again just caves people,
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just rolls teams, which is.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
What reminds me of prime James Harden in Houston. He
was unstoppable, leading the league in scoring, historically great offense,
sixty plus wins, and then in the playoffs he doesn't
totally deliver. And I'll say this just I know Ravens
fans are probably upseting me for, you know, not saying
Lamar is amazing. Colin. I was so loaded up on
them against the Chiefs in that playoff game at home,
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and I thought that was the worst offensive game plan
I've ever seen in a high leverage spot. They came
out and were so ugly down. I think it was
fourteen nothing right out of the gate at home, and
I was just I was like, I'm done. I'm done
betting Lamar in January against good teams Colin. Final story
is the Colts and their quarterback battle. Yes, we're calling
it a battle. Daniel Jones verse, come on, they wrote
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off injured Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
How about this one?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
According to Adam Schefter, Indy has listed QB one on
the unofficial unofficial depth chart as Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson,
so technically there's no number one. Yet it is an
actual battle, a showdown. Pennick's cousins is not a battle.
Pennix is the guy Russell Wilson Dart is not a
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battle yet. This is the only true quarterback battle between
two Cleveland has like three or four guys who knows
what you want to take a gander on who gets
the start?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Well, I think Daniel Jones is better?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Oh so.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Better?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
What better quarterback?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
What evidence is it about?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Well, he won a.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Playoff game, Anthony Richardson struggling to complete.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
That's a low broad up a winning a playoff game.
Come on, that's something Mark Sanchez has won four playoff games.
That's more than Lamar Jackson. What does that mean? No
disrespect to Mark. I know he listens a lot to
my guy, But to be real, like, I think you
got to go Anthony Richardson, Stiching, you were drafted to Ward. Sorry,
you guys drafted Richardson so you could work with him.
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Stike and crusted with Jalen Hurts. Six Anthony Richardson, Daniel
Jones is not the Antya.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
But Jalen Hurts kept getting better. Anthony richards and Josh
Allen kept getting better.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Give him a chance. He had like fifteen college starts.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Maybe we don't hear.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Those days are over. I don't want to hear about that.
You went to cams, she went to seven on seven's,
you were dominant. You got a lot of snaps. I
don't want to hear about only so many starts. Then
don't draft him. I was thinking about this weekend. I
was reading all the press clippings about teams. This whole
thing about a guy is young.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I mean, he's younger. I don't care. Maybe at left,
maybe at right.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Tackle or slot, at quarterback, I don't care about it.
I'm not going to draft you if you're that young.
I mean, Lamar Jackson is still young. Who cares? He
was good as first year in the league. I don't
care about your age or your starts.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
You need to be good now. It's quarterback.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
It's the NFL. It's not the CFL. It's not left tackle,
which is also a valuable position. It's quarterback. I don't
care about your agent starts. Be good now, man may.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Who have you been hanging out with Chris Ballard or something?
Goodness gracious, how about this the Ravens. I was right
on that Lamar instead.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
The Ravens have the most wins by fourteen or more
points since twenty nineteen, when Lamar became a full time starter.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Why is that? It's not just coaching.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It's because when Lamar, when the game is close or
Baltimore leads, he's virtually impossible that the game when you
can force him get when you're down fourteen points in
the third quarter and you need big chunks of yards
through the air, and they have like Zay Flowers is
their number one.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
It's a running back. Lamar tight end offense.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
That's when he gets into trouble and a lot of
that's because he's facing Sean McDermott and Spags, who are
great defensive minds.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
So don't.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I don't hold the playoffs stuff against Lamar as much
as everybody else, does.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
You hold on?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Are you saying you value regular he's in blowouts over
playoff games?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I value in football everything. Obviously January football is more crucial.
But I've always said with Lamar, if you win seventy
six percent of your starts, you're you're in a class
of well two percent of quarterbacks all time.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
No, No, he's bourselves. It's an all time great coach.
He won fifty five percent of his games, So seventy
six when you're in a division with Joe Burrow, the
Steelers in the conference the AFC right now, and Baltimore
wins seventy six percent of its games, the most blowout
since Lamar's I'm good with it.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Okay, fine, But if I ask you Colin, which quarterback
in the NFL is under the most pressure is season?
What's the answer. You gotta think about this. If you say,
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Here's the litmus test.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
If you told me Lamar Jackson, I'm a general manager,
Lamar Jackson or blank. There's only two quarterbacks in this league.
I take him over Josh Allen and Mahomes. He'd be third.
Note Burrells had two injuries, one more and I got
to get in their quarterback. Okay, so I would take
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Josh Allen over him. I would take Mahomes over him.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
It did all presidential debate. Let the audience know, you
just deflected my question. It's called savvy politicking. And I
love Burrow, but Joe's got two injuries. Joe's got and
we have to be fair about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
You mcl acl like, yeah, all right, Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Youah the throwing wrist isshue. I thought my producer was
telling me to wrap up. He was giving me a
sign for the throwing risk issue. Joe Burrow uh Lebron's
officially a number two on the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
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Speaker 1 (36:23):
By the way, here was a weird topic. When I
was on vacation, I thought this was such a weird topic.
There are people saying when the Lakers won in the Bubble,
it wasn't a legitimate championship. And my take in it
was harder. If you go look at the bubble old teams.
For the only time in my life, like old teams
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were deflated. They regressed because they missed their kids and
their families because you had to go live in a bubble.
The Lakers were the only veteran driven team that actually
played better, and that Laker team in that bubble was
the number one team in the NBA. They would have
home court advantage in the playoffs. They didn't get that
in the Bubble, so it was a huge disadvantage for
the Lakers, who would have been playing in front of
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a home crowd. They had to go play in Orlando.
He had a vending machines. It was a huge disadvantage
for the Lakers. So I don't get that topic at all,
and I'm not a Laker. Home I've been very critical
of the organization, but they just signed Luca to a
new contract three years, one hundred and sixty five million.
He's an incredible shape. I think he's going to have
a massive year. But this is the one thing the
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Lakers do well. So Luca's twenty six, he's got an
eight year runway, ten year runway, and Lebron's forty forty one.
When the season starts and doesn't have a runway, I mean,
if he's good, he's good, but you.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Can't build around him.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
The Lakers, more than any organization in the history of
North American sports.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Always have a great face of the franchise. You can
go back.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I started watching sports on TV at nineteen seventy two.
I had a black and white TV in my room.
I was eight years old. I watched the Washington Miami Dolphins,
who I remember that, and my friend Jeff came over.
We watched that, and then then I watched some NBA
games in seventy two. But if you go back to
that time, the late sixties early seventies, just think about
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the Lakers face of the franchise player Jerry West, the
logo into the hundred point game, guy Wilt into Kareem,
into Magic, into Shaq, into Kobe, into Lebron and now
into Luca. Lucas clearly the number one. Lebron's clearly the
number two, and.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
He knows it.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Nobody's ever done that that, no franchise, maybe a real Madrid.
I don't follow it like nobody does that. And the
Lakers also, not only do they nail their number one,
they always have almost always have a great number two.
I mean Kobe was a two to Shaq, Pau Gasol
was an All Star, was a two to Kobe, James
Worthy was a two to Magic, and Ad was a two.
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Best defensive player in my opinion in the league. Last
year he was a two to Lebron.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Now Lebron's going to be the two to Luca. And
I say that because.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Last year Luca was not in good shape, he was puffy,
he was injured in camp to begin with. With Dallas
pre trade, I think Lucas is gonna have his best
year as a pro. I think Luca's going to average
about thirty one a game. I think he's in impeccable shape,
and I think you're going to see a real separation
on most nights with Luca and Lebron think. I think
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Luca is going to play like the best player in
the league next year. And it's because the new owners.
The two best years if you go look at when Luca,
in my opinion, was in the best shape when he
broke into the league, he had something to prove first
year and a half, and now with the new Laker owners.
So hats off to the Lakers. And there have been
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teams like you know, we've talked about this before. The
Chargers always get quarterback, right. I mean you can go
back to it's Dan Fouts, it's Drew Brees, it's Philip Rivers,
it's Justin Herbert. There are or Kansas City, he's done quarterbacks, right.
There are organizations that do certain positions, right. But I
mean the Lakers and their star they just figured out.
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And a lot of the times, you know, it's hard
to believe they got Kobe and the Vladi DeVos trade,
or they got they got Luca on the A D trade.
A lot of the times it feels like they're they're
stealing players. Paw Gasol, I still remember sitting on an airplane.
I think it was Alaska Airlines window seat. I can
remember getting a call from her friend saying the Lakers
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just got Pawlo Gasol. I'm like, what do they give up?
And it was some cork screws peanut brittle and I'm
like what that doesn't even make sense. So here's Luke
on his extension with the Lakers.
Speaker 11 (40:39):
It's an honor, you know, playing for this organization. Many
many great players played here, so obviously I want to
add one more up there. So that's what we're working for.
Like I say, you know, being a Lakers in honor,
and I wanted to be here. So obviously when you
look up here, so many great names of what they achieved,
you know, I want to be up there to on
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one day.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
By the way, look at Luca last year playing. If
we show the video and look look at Luca there
in that suit. I mean you talk about transforming your body.
I mean he was puffy last year. That's being kind.
He was puffy, and I mean he's big. He is
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wide and big. And then you know, when a guy
is confident, he doesn't wear socks to a press conference.
That is the first sign of guy is in good shape.
When a guy doesn't wear socks to a presser, it's
like I am looking and feeling good. You never see
plumbers at a press conference. If they you know, they
put on a little weight, they're wearing socks to their
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plumber press conference. I mean, look at these pictures. Ja
Max be on it. Look at those pictures. He looks unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Are you a fattist? What was that comment? He is
not lost that much weight, but he does look kind
of shredded like he's on the Jmac workout plan, does
he not?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
No, no, dude, dude, go look at the present. We've
got no socks on. He's got the cool shoes that
that guy.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Is living Levina Locus. That's all I know.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's hour two. It is a Monday.
Matt Hassel back to three time pro bowler. In five minutes,
Diana Russini stops by as well. It is great to
be back from VAK. J McK and I are rolling
and ready to go NFL games. Now they start filtering
in little video quarterbacks. Where are we going to say?
(00:48):
You know what's interesting to me. I was talking to
my buddy John Middlekoff, who's been on the show before.
Is that the guy lost in all this? Because we
know that Jaden daniels Is and Bonnix are working. Drake
May looks really, really solid. Caleb, we're gonna have our
eyes on, and JJ McCarthy, we're gonna have our eyes.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
On in all of this.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Michael Pennix is quietly in the Deep South in Atlanta
and nobody's talking about him.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Where are you on Penix today? If you have a guests.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Well, it's funny. I'm lining up all my bets when
I go to Vegas the season long stuff. I have
the Falcons in the playoffs. I have them winning the division.
I'm gonna be taking Pennix in fantasy. I think he's
got a lot of value in that offense.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
We only saw a few games of him last year.
Remember the Washington game that was nip and tuck until
the end and they ended up losing, But it was like,
I saw some things for Pennix. I think he's going
to be good. I'm a buyer of the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, no, no, I think I've said this before. I
think he's a bigger, stronger toua left hander, beautiful ball
down fields, bigger arm, bigger athlete can move, but you
don't necessarily want him to because of previous injuries.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Uwa actually has a better coach though, in Mike McDaniel.
You kind of just destroyed McDaniel for like ten minutes.
I thought it was out of bounds and on Warrenton.
But nevertheless, if you give Pennicks an offensive guy like McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh, oh, look out, I'm not anti Michael McDaniels. I'm
three years into it. I was told it was revolutionary
with all the motion and flashing. They're twenty eight and
twenty three on a division with the Jets and the Page.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
He made the playoffs twice. He took two out of
the playoffs, but two got hurt and two of kids
getting hurt, and then they make the passa.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh no.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
They lost to the Chiefs in Arrowhead in the playoffs.
I mean, geez, with a lot of shame in that one.
In like negative thirty degrees. Their guys are losing fingers
in the stands. So like, I thought you were extremely
harsh on McDaniel. Remember he's a Yale educated Colin.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, so were a lot of our bad presidents.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I mean I did oooh, all.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Right, Colin right, Colin wrong? On Monday, here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Jerry Jones once again has mangled a contract situation. I
said this a couple of years ago with Jerry, the
Cowboys are starting to feel like the Raiders when Al
Davis aged Al lost his fastball. I think I think
Jerry has lost his fastball and has too much power
in the organization, the old.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Saying all hat no cattle.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Jerry tells us he's a great businessman, but he keeps
getting taken to the cleaners by players and Micah, Now,
what are you gonna do? Trade him? Now, what are
you gonna do? You could have traded him last year
and gotten multiple players that could help you now in
the NFC as it strengthens as a conference. I don't
like where Dallas is headed, and it's all on Jerry,
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where Colin was raw Well, Jimmy, I don't know if
I believe him, But Jimmy Haslam says the Shadeur Sanders
draft pick, Hey, I didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That was all on Andrew Berry.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And to that, I would say, why would you draft
when you had Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Why would you draft.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Two more quarterbacks in the third and fifth round.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But at least Jimmy Haslam is saying the right things publicly,
which is, hey, I didn't have anything to do with
a draft pick where Colin was right. Well, I won't
beat on it too much more. But Tyreek Hill said
last week that one of the Dolphins running backs shouldn't
be a short yardage tailback. On Sunday, Mike McDaniels said, yeah,
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he isn't. We worked on that. So there appears to
be a gap this offseason between Tyreek and Tua, Tyreek
and the team, and Tyreek and Mike McDaniels. And we've
always said a lot more sizzle than actual state with that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Acquisition where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
JJ McCarthy, according to Kevin Seaffert, respected reporter at ESPN,
accuracy a bit of an issue in the red zone.
Jeremy Fowler, another respected reporter, saying they're having to work
a lot on touch. Everything is a fastball. I don't
know how good JJ McCarthy is, but I never bought
(05:04):
into the narrative that multiple teams were gonna move up
in the draft to get him. I've heard the opposite
is that there were real concerns that JJ McCarthy had
been led by a great coach, a great defense, a
great run game in college and never really had to
lead inferior talent, which is what happens in the NFL
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if you're a lottery.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Quarterback, where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, I may have to temper my Tennessee Titan predictions.
They just got rid of their first round receiver a
couple of years ago, Treylon Burks, apparently cam Ward. Last
couple of practices four picks. Cam Ward admits we're really
right now. Very mid is what he called his offense
(05:52):
between Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley, and Van Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Now no Burks.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It's arguably the weakest receiving core in the NFL. I
do get two more revisions on my NFL predictions, so
I may have to scale back on the Titans where
Colin was right. Luka dantach Men's health in the best
shape of his career. This is what I've said about Luca.
(06:18):
Defense and being in great shape are all about wanting
to do you want to be a great defender? Do
you want to be in great shape? When did Luca
get in the best shape of his career his first
year as a rookie, when he wanted to impress and
now the Lakers have new owners. This is why I've
said he's a much better version to Carmelo Anthony. I
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don't worry about his game. I think he's gonna have
an unbelievable season. Does he have the want Lebron Kobe
Michael they were great defenders because they wanted to be
great defenders. So he breaks into the NBA. We're like, Wow,
this guy's amazing and increasingly gets in worse shape. Lakers
have new owners, he has an offseason now once again
(07:01):
he's in unbelievable shape.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The Indiana Fever are on a heater, all of it
without Caitlin Clark. Gotta be honest, she is a great player,
but Sophie Cunningham's been on fire, hitting threes yesterday. They're
in a five game winning streak with no Caitlin Clark. So,
in fact, Kaylin this year, between injuries and struggling, has
(07:29):
not been Caitlin Clark, and Indiana still has the fifth
best record in the league.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
What do you know?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The Celtics minority owner is buying the Connecticut Sun for
three hundred and twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I had said this two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yes, merch up one thousand percent TV ratings, attendance, this
league and it's got issues like it's officiating, like it's
inability to handle Caitlin Clark well well, but is it
a buy as a stock absolutely. I don't care about
the last twenty five years merch TV ratings, attendance all
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up at least one hundred percent. It's absolutely a bye
as a sports franchise. I felt this way five years
ago about the MLS. I feel that now, and so
do one of the Boston Celtics minority owners, Colin Wright.
Colin wrong on a Monday, And with that, Matt Hasselback
eighteen years three Pro Bowl stopping by our show. All right,
(08:32):
you know I said earlier, whenever your issues in college,
I can see him in the Pros. I'm a little concerned.
So I thought the questions about Caleb Williams were little
hero ball accuracy could be a little dicey and moody.
So when I see a video of him freaking out,
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I see temper, I see accuracy issues. I know I'm
supposed to say it's yeah, it's just camp. It's just
thrown into a net. But those are some of the
things GM's told me they were concerned about. So it's like, oh,
I'm seeing that now in the Pros. Should I be
a little concerned about that net video?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Matt Hasselbeck, Well, it's year two, Colin, listen, year one
rookie year, you chuck some of those things up to
a rookie situation.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Year two.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
You know, training camp, I think we make a little
bit of like a huge deal at a certain thing.
Sometimes things are fun, sometimes things are poudy. You don't
know the whole story, but in general last year to
this year, you've even heard Ben Johnson.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Talk about it.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Body language at the quarterback position matters. It matters to
your opponent, and it matters maybe just as much to
your teammates. And so the camera's always going to be
on him, like the microscope is always going to be
on him. A lot of people made a lot of
excuses for him last year. I think the excuses are
out the window. The focus is going to be on him.
And you know, like I've said many times, you know
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your team get confidence or insecurity by how you carry
yourself as a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
No, you've been on that from day one. So I
said this.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
There are coaches in the league and you've probably had these.
Maybe Mike Holmgren was one of these where you get
a great scheme coach that he's a head coach, but
if you put him on the headset he'd call a
great game. And then there are coaches that Mike Tomlins
a culture builder. I would say Dan Campbell, Nick Siriani.
They build cultures. There is nothing wrong with that. But
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they are more dependent on coordinators than say as Sean
McVay or a Sean Payton or maybe again, maybe Holmgren
was that. Andy Reid's a guy. It doesn't matter who
his coordinator is. Offensively, they're fine. Detroit loses two coordinators,
including Ben Johnson, who was kind of regarded as the
hot coordinator in the market. I know it's the Hall
of Fame game. They were a mess.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I mean, eight.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Penalties, five turnover, They look disorganized. How do I not
look at that and go that's not great? I watched
Philadelphia miss on coordinators and lose six or seven games
off a Super Bowl year. Do I take anything off
that abysmal Hall of Fame game performance?
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Well, you touch on a bunch of things there. Listen.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Culture is super important, and just because you're a good
play caller doesn't mean you're going to be a head coach.
But I think what you're talking about is new coordinators,
two new coordinators.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
And that's a lot of change.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
It's a bigger deal than people realize in terms of
the preseason game. Listen, it's a big deal because but
it's not. It's a big deal because we've got to.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Get those things fixed.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
But it's not a big deal because it just comes
as a wake up call right away, National TV, everyone
knows about it, and then you come together as a staff.
You know, last year, I think there were eight new
head coaches. Two of them made the playoffs. Some of
those guys got this stuff figured out. You know, I
was actually there for the seahawks first preseason game. It's crazy,
new head coach, new coordinators. It's crazy the things that
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you don't get to cover in a training camp situation
until you get into a game situation. Where are we
doing halftime adjustments? Who's going first? Where are we going
to stand on the sidelines, Who's on what headset? There's
two lines on the headset. Are you on line A?
Are you on line B? So some of those kinks
got to get worked out in the preseason. That's kind
of what the preseason is for. But yeah, I would
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say they got a little bit exposed right there. It
doesn't mean they can't figure it out, though.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Okay, I said, not all hold out for the same.
Terry McLaurin is a third round pick, has wildly outperformed
his contract.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
He's been a great guy.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
He's been crazy productive until last year with bad quarterback play.
I would pay him tomorrow, especially when you brought debo.
I'd pay him tomorrow. Micah first round pick, been a
Pro Bowl or been excellent, but that's why you picked
him twelve. He's got a year left in his contract.
I don't think he's been underpaid. I think he's been
paid appropriately. On these two holdouts. Do you see him
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as a former player as just the same thing or
are there different And I also think it's an offensive league.
I'd be more prone to pay the offensive guy. How
do you view McLaurin and Micah's holdout.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Well, mclaurin's tricky because he's so important I think to
Jad and Daniels' success. I mean, Jayden Daniels was just
incredible last year. I'm such a huge fan. He was awesome.
And Terry McLaurin is like everything that you're looking for
in you know, with a veteran guy to put with
a young guy, and I think they could have a
lot of success. You know, you know, in the near
future like yours one, two, three, like we could be
a contender every year.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
They are a contender. They can compete with Philly.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
What's unique about Dallas again another great player. Teammates love him,
you know what, He's exactly what you're looking for. Dallas,
Like they're not going to win their division, that doubt,
they're even second place in their division. And now you've
got a real public It just feels different in Dallas.
So I'm very curious, you know, the Cowboys seeing Jerry
Jones seems to like be fine with this kind of conflict,
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fine with this kind of drama, but he also doesn't
seem like the kind of owner that wants to get
like pushed around publicly. So you know, there's a part
of me that says, hey, this is Michael Parsons. Figure
it out, closed the door, include the agent. Then there's
another part of me that says, hey, why don't you
you just punt on this year anyway, go out and
get like the most amazing draft package for next year
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and really start focusing this team on next year, because
I really don't know that you can compete with Philly
and that you can compete really with Washington and then
the rest of the NFC. So you know, this one's
a little bit tricky for me. But the gloves have
come off, unfortunately publicly, so it's gotten a little ugly.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So I was talking. I was golfing a couple of
days ago, and I was joking with somebody. I said,
whenever I hit the ball great on the range, I
know I'm in trouble. And so it's like, I never
have any sense of how I'm going to hit going
into a round based on practice or to the range
in the preseason. What is something in your eighteen nineteen years,
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Matt that carried over? Like if you did it well
in preseason, it did carry over. And are there things
that you thought you had mastered in preseason and it
meant nothing by the opening kickoff?
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yeah, you're absolutely right calling I think run game. You know,
I look at the Baltimore Ravens. I think they're a
great preseason team. Part of that is they're great at
the run game. That's a commitment that they have. They've
got a great culture when it comes to that. They
know how they do things. But you know, to your point,
there were teams that we would play in the preseason.
I'll use the Chicago Bears when they were great with
like Brian Urlocker and those guys.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
They're a zone team, you.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Know, it really didn't matter who the defensive coordinator was
calling for.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
They were a zone team.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
But in the preseason they would play so much man
coverage because their scouts wanted to get a look at, Hey,
what kind of guys do we have in the secondary. Like,
we're not going to call a lot of man coverage
in the season, but we are on purpose doing something
that puts our team at a disadvantage. We need to
know who can play man occasionally when we want to
bring a blitz and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
So there's not a lot.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Of scheming up and and you know there's there's not
always calling what you're best at. Sometimes you're even setting
up your Week one opponent. But those are two examples
of things that I think can be a little bit
of fool's gold if you're trying to evaluate what a
team's going to be when you just watch him in
the preseason.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh that's interesting. Finally, I want you to tell me
the difference. I always feel that a quarterback under center,
when he goes back gets to watch the defense. When
it's a shotgun, you have to watch the ball and
you lose that half a second of watching your safeties react.
So Sean Payton would like bow Knicks to be under
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center more.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Than last year.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You tell me, is that something you can elevate to quickly?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Is there?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Or for a guy that you know, maybe Bowen Auburn
and Oregon has taken He's taken the shotgun snaps tell
me the transition? How much that matters for a young
quarterback like bow Knicks.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah, it's a real thing, And I trust Sean Payton wholeheartedly.
I think bow Knicks is gonna do a great job.
I think that's a team I would buy right now.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I mean, I love that.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Listen, Bill Watsh, Joe Montana. They love to be under center.
Almost never were they in shotgun. I actually believe it was.
I forget the years, maybe like five maybe for us
in Seattle two thousand and five, when we finally put
the shotgun in, we got exposed, obviously or ironically against
the Chicago Bears er Locker Briggs and the A Gap
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and we had no choice but to go shotgun. But
it is a huge advantage for the quarterback at the
snap with your hands already on the ball and then
your eyes on the free safety.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Your eyes on the free safety tell you so much.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
But just like you said, if you're in shotgun and
your eyes have to go down to catch the ball first,
you don't get that split second advantage of having your
eyes on the secondary. Never mind the fact the run
keys that you're not giving away when you're running back
in shotgun is offset to the right or to the left.
So Sean Payton knows what he's talking about, and he
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sees an opportunity. If he can get his young quarterback
to get comfortable under center the way that he did
with Drew Brees, then he thinks that his offense can
even take a bigger step with run game play, action
to the run and then using their tight ending guy
like Evan Ingram.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
That could be huge for them this year.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
By the way, it does appear that you're on a
coaching staff. The shirt looks very official. Are you the
head coach or the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Now, my younger brother's the head coach, which is an
interesting dynamic. I'm just the offensive coordinator. Today is picture day.
They said they might wait for me for the team photo,
depending on when this hit with you is over.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
If not, they said.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
It's twenty twenty five, they can just kind of like
superimpose me in a picture. We used to do that
when Paul Allen was the owner of the Seahawks. He
would never come back from you know, vacation or whatever.
We just would like superimpose him into the team photo.
So I know it can be done.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
There's only one Matt Hasselbeck. Wait for the photo, guys,
great sen you see it. Colin all right, No, it's
the end. I think one of the things he said
that which I've touched on is that if you struggle,
players take cues from the quarterback. His temperament, his body language.
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I used to be very critical of Jay Cutler. I
thought he had horrible body language. He'd go stand by himself,
he'd sit there and he'd get moody. I'm like, bro',
that's not it. You gotta be with a fellas you got.
And there's another quarterback that does that currently in the NFL.
He's an older guy playing in Pittsburgh. I'm just not
a fan of that. I want you part of the group.
(19:24):
So it's something body language is clearly something.
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Speaker 1 (20:42):
So here I gotta I'm just gonna. You know, all
I do is journalism. Here just journalism. I'm just reading
a story from a very respected reporter at the Athletic
on the Pittsburgh Steelers Aaron Rodgers Camp.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
It's getting a lot of hype.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Latroe another day, another dominant performance from the defense. Seven
shots in the last practice, six to one defense Aaron Rodgers,
oh for three. Steelers ended practice another goal line drill,
didn't go anybody for the offense, and so he listed
the reporter of the four problems with the offense.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Stop me if you've heard these before from the New
York Jets. Number one, they can't run the football. Jets
were thirty first last year. Couldn't run the football.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Apparently, the Steelers in practice can't run the football. Number two,
their vertical passing game in Pittsburgh's not in sync. So
Aaron is dumping stuff off for short, quick passes. That
was the Jets last year. Wide receiver two not dependable. Oh,
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sort of like Alan Lazarre not living up to his
contract in New York. Number four is the young. Offensive
tackles are tape taking their lumps. The O line is unsteady.
All the Steelers are for Aaron Rodgers is a more
organized Jets defensive coach, defensive culture. Aaron doesn't trust the
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old line. A lot of stuff is quick. You've got
a number one receiver, but can't really depend on a
two despite draft capital and spending money on it. The
Jets did too, Remember they drafted the old lineman from
Penn State. They spent money on a right tackle, and
yet their on line finished seventeenth. The Steelers keep drafting
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offensive lineman and spending money on it.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's not any good.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
So this idea that they're all in in Pittsburgh go
read this story by Mike di Favo on the Steelers.
It's just the Jets. Like McDonald's and Burger King. McDonald's
is just more buttoned up than Burger King. It's still
fast food. Okay, you're not going to convince me it's
anything more. It's good fast food. But my point is
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we're dressing this up. Aaron, like a lot of older quarterbacks,
if he doesn't have a run game, and he doesn't
have a number two receiver, and he doesn't trust the
old line, he's not taking hits. He not taking one
for the team. Aaron's getting rid of that puppy. Matt
Stafford's the only old guy at quarterback in this league
that will stand in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And get drilled over and over.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
And that's why Matt in his late thirties is kind
of falling apart. So this story is, you know, it's
the Jets number two receiver, doesn't trust the old line,
can't run it. Defensive coach, defensive culture. Aaron's getting ready
rid of the ball quickly in practice defense, dominate defense.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Here's Mike de Fabo.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
People are getting impatient. They want success and they haven't
had it, you know. And I just look at the
fact that there have been in the history of the NFL,
in the Super Bowl era, quarterbacks that were forty of
one combined twelve games in the playoffs. Tom Brady has ten.
Every other quarterback has two combined. And here the Steelers
are throwing their face behind assume to be forty two
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year old Aaron Rodgers to try to snap that skidding.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And this is why I said I thought Aaron would
retire and not go to Pittsburgh Online issues defensive culture,
los Najee Harris and their left tackle. This story reads
like it's the Jets, just a more organized version. And
if you look at the Steelers schedule starting October sixteenth on,
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it's a lot of Lamar Jackson's and Joe Burrows and
Justin Herbert and Josh Allen's and that Detroit offense. That's schedule.
They got some time early to make Hay. But when
you have a lot of new people and Aaron's not
going to play in the preseason, it's reasonable to think
the Steelers won't be great in September. Well they better
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be because October we're sixteenth on. They're facing Burrow and
Lamar and Josh Allen and Justin Herbert there facing a
lot of good offenses.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
News no, no turn on the news. This is the
headline news.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Let's go to the nation's capital, Colin and talk about
the Washington Commanders in this Terry McLaurin situation. So last week,
while I was on vacation and you were jet setting
in the Northeast, Terry McLaurin requested a trade as contract
negotiations have stalled. Well, Dan Quinn spoke to the media
this weekend about the McLaurin situation.
Speaker 10 (25:38):
For Terry, and you know the trade request, Like man,
that's that's part of normal business that you know, it's
happening around the NFL.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's normal, We understand it.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
Sometimes those are the emotions and that's the human side
of it, right, And knowing there can be emotions, that's
the ones he attached to at that moment. And so
for me as the coach, give the support, you know,
give the insights. Do you want advice, and so that's
the way that you do it. But it is an
emotional time, it's so damn important and each player it
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won't be quite the same in how that's happening.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Well, I think we both liked the Debo move. In fact,
we had said before they acquired Deebo God Deebo would
be the perfect chess piece for Kingsbury and Jayden Daniels.
The downside to that is, as long as you take
care of crazy productive Terry McLaurin. Yeah, I mean, this
one feels like and I don't side with the players
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in all cases. This feels like you gotta take care
of McLaurin because it also sends a message to young players.
You're gonna pay the new guy and not the most
dependable guy in the locker room for four straight years.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah, I mean, Colin, we could go back, Yeah, ten
fifteen years. Players hold out all the time, they want
their contract, and eventually it gets done. You know, it
might be right before the season. Darrell Reeves and my ye,
I'm sure you remember back in the day it was ugly.
Oh my gosh, he's now how to lose him? It's fine,
he's playing. He's an all bro you know Miles Garrett
with the Browns, remember, not that far long ago. I'm
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holding out, I demanded trade and then he shows up
and plays in as a monster like.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I can't get too.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Worked up about it, but it is news today and
he's not signed. Now Kingsbury gets him with Deebo and
Jaden and Laramie Tunzel. I don't see how Washington can't
be in the mix. To maybe go to the Super
Bowl from the NFC. It just makes all the sense
in the world. Let's go to another situation and near
the nation's capital. That's a Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson.
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John Harbaugh spoke so highly of Lamar's passing, saying, are
you ready for this? He is a historically good passer.
He's as good of a passer as there's ever been,
and the numbers are proving that. Colin our staff Doug
Deep highest passer rating in the NFL all time. Are
you ready for this?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Aaron Rodgers one, Patrick Mahomes two, Lama Jackson three all time.
I don't see Tom Brady on there. I don't see
Josh Allen. I don't see Joe Montana again.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Passer rating.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I'm kiddous.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
It's something Russell Wilson's fifth, Tony Romo's up there. It's
it's something I've been on. I think I've been pretty
consistent on this. I thought the questions about Lamar in
the pocket were valid for two years. I don't think
they're valid for the last three. I think he's a
really good pocket quarterback. If Mark Andrews didn't have the
worst game, he's ever had as a college or a
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collegiate or a pro.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
They went a playoff game.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Wait, hold on, Just to be clear, Lamar was bad
in the first half and dug them a hole. Right,
he had the I think two journals clear. Patrick Mahomes
had eight bad games last year. Like it's if you
don't have I mean, let's be honest. Burrow was better
than Mahomes last year. Lamar was better than Mahomes. Alan
was better than Mahomes. Like, there was a lot of.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Guys better than Mahomes. Last year.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Malmes had Super Bowl So it's like, who cares He's
got super Bowls? You know, Like Lamar doesn't have one.
Where is Lamar's signature playoff win? And again, I'm not
basking Lamar. He's obviously great and all time great, But
where where is the signature playoff win?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Colin, We're still waiting if Lamar Jackson becomes Charles Barkley.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Don't really has anything wrong with that, Like Peter.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Do I have?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I have? I'm done defending Lamar. I watch the games
he looks. I mean, I don't know this for sure,
but I bet it's true. Last five years in the
NFL has any team had more blowout wins than Baltimore.
And what that shows is when Lamar solves your riddle defensively,
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he is the ultimate.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Freight train playing downhill. The way to beat Lamar is generally.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
You get ahead of him, you take out the running component,
and he becomes strictly a pocket guy. Well, nobody's good.
Baker Mayfield's not as good. If you know he's throwing,
it doesn't matter. But when when he can play in
a close game or play with a lead, he's a nightmare.
That's why Baltimore time and time again just caves people,
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just rolls teams, which is.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
What reminds me of prime James Harden in Houston. He
was unstoppable, leading the league in scoring, historically great offense,
sixty plus wins, and then in the playoffs he doesn't
totally deliver. And I'll say this just I know Ravens
fans are probably upseting me for, you know, not saying
Lamar is amazing. Colin. I was so loaded up on
them against the Chiefs in that playoff game at home,
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and I thought that was the worst offensive game plan
I've ever seen in a high leverage spot. They came
out and were so ugly down. I think it was
fourteen nothing right out of the gate at home, and
I was just I was like, I'm done. I'm done
betting Lamar in January against good teams Colin. Final story
is the Colts and their quarterback battle. Yes, we're calling
it a battle. Daniel Jones verse, come on, they wrote
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off injured Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
How about this one?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
According to Adam Schefter, Indy has listed QB one on
the unofficial unofficial depth chart as Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson,
so technically there's no number one. Yet it is an
actual battle, a showdown. Pennick's cousins is not a battle.
Pennix is the guy Russell Wilson Dart is not a
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battle yet. This is the only true quarterback battle between
two Cleveland has like three or four guys who knows
what you want to take a gander on who gets
the start?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Well, I think Daniel Jones is better?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Oh so.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Better?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
What better quarterback?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
What evidence is it about?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Well, he won a.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Playoff game, Anthony Richardson struggling to complete.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
That's a low broad up a winning a playoff game.
Come on, that's something Mark Sanchez has won four playoff games.
That's more than Lamar Jackson. What does that mean? No
disrespect to Mark. I know he listens a lot to
my guy, But to be real, like, I think you
got to go Anthony Richardson, Stiching, you were drafted to Ward. Sorry,
you guys drafted Richardson so you could work with him.
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Stike and crusted with Jalen Hurts. Six Anthony Richardson, Daniel
Jones is not the Antya.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
But Jalen Hurts kept getting better. Anthony richards and Josh
Allen kept getting better.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Give him a chance. He had like fifteen college starts.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Maybe we don't hear.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Those days are over. I don't want to hear about that.
You went to cams, she went to seven on seven's,
you were dominant. You got a lot of snaps. I
don't want to hear about only so many starts. Then
don't draft him. I was thinking about this weekend. I
was reading all the press clippings about teams. This whole
thing about a guy is young.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I mean, he's younger. I don't care. Maybe at left,
maybe at right.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Tackle or slot, at quarterback, I don't care about it.
I'm not going to draft you if you're that young.
I mean, Lamar Jackson is still young. Who cares? He
was good as first year in the league. I don't
care about your age or your starts.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
You need to be good now. It's quarterback.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
It's the NFL. It's not the CFL. It's not left tackle,
which is also a valuable position. It's quarterback. I don't
care about your agent starts. Be good now, man may.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Who have you been hanging out with Chris Ballard or something?
Goodness gracious, how about this the Ravens. I was right
on that Lamar instead.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
The Ravens have the most wins by fourteen or more
points since twenty nineteen, when Lamar became a full time starter.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Why is that? It's not just coaching.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It's because when Lamar, when the game is close or
Baltimore leads, he's virtually impossible that the game when you
can force him get when you're down fourteen points in
the third quarter and you need big chunks of yards
through the air, and they have like Zay Flowers is
their number one.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
It's a running back. Lamar tight end offense.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
That's when he gets into trouble and a lot of
that's because he's facing Sean McDermott and Spags, who are
great defensive minds.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
So don't.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I don't hold the playoffs stuff against Lamar as much
as everybody else, does.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
You hold on?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Are you saying you value regular he's in blowouts over
playoff games?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I value in football everything. Obviously January football is more crucial.
But I've always said with Lamar, if you win seventy
six percent of your starts, you're you're in a class
of well two percent of quarterbacks all time.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
No, No, he's bourselves. It's an all time great coach.
He won fifty five percent of his games, So seventy
six when you're in a division with Joe Burrow, the
Steelers in the conference the AFC right now, and Baltimore
wins seventy six percent of its games, the most blowout
since Lamar's I'm good with it.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Okay, fine, But if I ask you Colin, which quarterback
in the NFL is under the most pressure is season?
What's the answer. You gotta think about this. If you say,
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Here's the litmus test.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
If you told me Lamar Jackson, I'm a general manager,
Lamar Jackson or blank. There's only two quarterbacks in this league.
I take him over Josh Allen and Mahomes. He'd be third.
Note Burrells had two injuries, one more and I got
to get in their quarterback. Okay, so I would take
(35:15):
Josh Allen over him. I would take Mahomes over him.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
It did all presidential debate. Let the audience know, you
just deflected my question. It's called savvy politicking. And I
love Burrow, but Joe's got two injuries. Joe's got and
we have to be fair about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
You mcl acl like, yeah, all right, Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Youah the throwing wrist isshue. I thought my producer was
telling me to wrap up. He was giving me a
sign for the throwing risk issue. Joe Burrow uh Lebron's
officially a number two on the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
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Speaker 1 (36:23):
By the way, here was a weird topic. When I
was on vacation, I thought this was such a weird topic.
There are people saying when the Lakers won in the Bubble,
it wasn't a legitimate championship. And my take in it
was harder. If you go look at the bubble old teams.
For the only time in my life, like old teams
(36:44):
were deflated. They regressed because they missed their kids and
their families because you had to go live in a bubble.
The Lakers were the only veteran driven team that actually
played better, and that Laker team in that bubble was
the number one team in the NBA. They would have
home court advantage in the playoffs. They didn't get that
in the Bubble, so it was a huge disadvantage for
the Lakers, who would have been playing in front of
(37:05):
a home crowd. They had to go play in Orlando.
He had a vending machines. It was a huge disadvantage
for the Lakers. So I don't get that topic at all,
and I'm not a Laker. Home I've been very critical
of the organization, but they just signed Luca to a
new contract three years, one hundred and sixty five million.
He's an incredible shape. I think he's going to have
a massive year. But this is the one thing the
(37:27):
Lakers do well. So Luca's twenty six, he's got an
eight year runway, ten year runway, and Lebron's forty forty one.
When the season starts and doesn't have a runway, I mean,
if he's good, he's good, but you.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Can't build around him.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
The Lakers, more than any organization in the history of
North American sports.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Always have a great face of the franchise. You can
go back.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I started watching sports on TV at nineteen seventy two.
I had a black and white TV in my room.
I was eight years old. I watched the Washington Miami Dolphins,
who I remember that, and my friend Jeff came over.
We watched that, and then then I watched some NBA
games in seventy two. But if you go back to
that time, the late sixties early seventies, just think about
(38:13):
the Lakers face of the franchise player Jerry West, the
logo into the hundred point game, guy Wilt into Kareem,
into Magic, into Shaq, into Kobe, into Lebron and now
into Luca. Lucas clearly the number one. Lebron's clearly the
number two, and.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
He knows it.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Nobody's ever done that that, no franchise, maybe a real Madrid.
I don't follow it like nobody does that. And the
Lakers also, not only do they nail their number one,
they always have almost always have a great number two.
I mean Kobe was a two to Shaq, Pau Gasol
was an All Star, was a two to Kobe, James
Worthy was a two to Magic, and Ad was a two.
(38:53):
Best defensive player in my opinion in the league. Last
year he was a two to Lebron.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Now Lebron's going to be the two to Luca. And
I say that because.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Last year Luca was not in good shape, he was puffy,
he was injured in camp to begin with. With Dallas
pre trade, I think Lucas is gonna have his best
year as a pro. I think Luca's going to average
about thirty one a game. I think he's in impeccable shape,
and I think you're going to see a real separation
on most nights with Luca and Lebron think. I think
(39:21):
Luca is going to play like the best player in
the league next year. And it's because the new owners.
The two best years if you go look at when Luca,
in my opinion, was in the best shape when he
broke into the league, he had something to prove first
year and a half, and now with the new Laker owners.
So hats off to the Lakers. And there have been
(39:43):
teams like you know, we've talked about this before. The
Chargers always get quarterback, right. I mean you can go
back to it's Dan Fouts, it's Drew Brees, it's Philip Rivers,
it's Justin Herbert. There are or Kansas City, he's done quarterbacks, right.
There are organizations that do certain positions, right. But I
mean the Lakers and their star they just figured out.
(40:04):
And a lot of the times, you know, it's hard
to believe they got Kobe and the Vladi DeVos trade,
or they got they got Luca on the A D trade.
A lot of the times it feels like they're they're
stealing players. Paw Gasol, I still remember sitting on an airplane.
I think it was Alaska Airlines window seat. I can
remember getting a call from her friend saying the Lakers
(40:25):
just got Pawlo Gasol. I'm like, what do they give up?
And it was some cork screws peanut brittle and I'm
like what that doesn't even make sense. So here's Luke
on his extension with the Lakers.
Speaker 11 (40:39):
It's an honor, you know, playing for this organization. Many
many great players played here, so obviously I want to
add one more up there. So that's what we're working for.
Like I say, you know, being a Lakers in honor,
and I wanted to be here. So obviously when you
look up here, so many great names of what they achieved,
you know, I want to be up there to on
(41:00):
one day.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
By the way, look at Luca last year playing. If
we show the video and look look at Luca there
in that suit. I mean you talk about transforming your body.
I mean he was puffy last year. That's being kind.
He was puffy, and I mean he's big. He is
(41:24):
wide and big. And then you know, when a guy
is confident, he doesn't wear socks to a press conference.
That is the first sign of guy is in good shape.
When a guy doesn't wear socks to a presser, it's
like I am looking and feeling good. You never see
plumbers at a press conference. If they you know, they
put on a little weight, they're wearing socks to their
(41:46):
plumber press conference. I mean, look at these pictures. Ja
Max be on it. Look at those pictures. He looks unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Are you a fattist? What was that comment? He is
not lost that much weight, but he does look kind
of shredded like he's on the Jmac workout plan, does
he not?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
No, no, dude, dude, go look at the present. We've
got no socks on. He's got the cool shoes that
that guy.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Is living Levina Locus. That's all I know.
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